#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-07-30

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] * sigsts (~sigsts@unaffiliated/skyroverr) has joined #raspberrypi
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[0:07] * r0Oter is now known as r00ter
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[0:12] * Karyon (~Karyon@unaffiliated/karyon) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
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[0:12] * chris_99 (uid26561@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htnnukvzmwcnfedp) Quit ()
[0:14] * RandomNinjaAtk (~RandomNin@pool-71-244-229-59.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: RandomNinjaAtk)
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[0:29] * jbmorris289 (~jbmZNC@131-093-107-150.res.spectrum.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[0:30] * mkennedypi (~quassel@2600:1700:4ba0:db20:21b8:ff4c:aa8f:1eab) Quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
[0:30] * mkennedypi (~quassel@2600:1700:4ba0:db20:21b8:ff4c:aa8f:1eab) has joined #raspberrypi
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[0:36] <jbmorris289> Stupid internet
[0:37] * romano2k (~romano2k@unaffiliated/romano2k) Quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.0 - https://znc.in)
[0:40] * Silversword (silverswor@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/silversword) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:40] * Alexander-47u (~Alexander@85.203.44.80) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:41] * Silversword (silverswor@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/silversword) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:44] * jkridner|pd (~jkridner@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[1:01] * Singmyr (~singmyr@80.216.49.44) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[1:04] * fedorafan (~fedorafan@unaffiliated/fedorafan) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
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[1:09] * anti_cure (~v@p4FE6FAFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
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[1:19] * jasmith (~jasmith@ip68-103-155-114.ks.ok.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[1:21] * fedorafan (~fedorafan@unaffiliated/fedorafan) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
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[1:21] * davr0s (~textual@host81-155-68-151.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
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[1:37] * davr0s (~textual@host81-155-68-151.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[1:37] * vstehle (~vstehle@rqp06-1-88-178-86-202.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[1:45] * fedorafan (~fedorafan@unaffiliated/fedorafan) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
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[1:49] * TinkerTiger (~will@97-91-69-87.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)
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[1:53] * guideline_ (guideline@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/guideline) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:56] * davr0s (~textual@host81-155-68-151.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi
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[2:10] * Budgii (~Budgii@unaffiliated/budgii) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[2:17] * m_t (~m_t@p5DDA0445.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[2:20] * Gathis (~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis) Quit (Quit: ...)
[2:20] * vultyre (~vultyre@98.144.142.180) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[2:21] * tuxd00d (~tuxd00d@unaffiliated/tuxd00d) Quit (Quit: tuxd00d)
[2:21] * vultyre (~vultyre@98.144.142.180) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:24] * Syliss (~Syliss@asa1.digitalpath.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[2:26] * Tenacious-Techhu (6c314404@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.49.68.4) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:27] * Arcaelyx_ (~Arcaelyx@cpe-184-152-29-2.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[2:28] * beatleboy07 (~beatleboy@c-73-254-19-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[2:28] <Tenacious-Techhu> What groups do a non-admin non-power user need on a Raspbian install being used as a desktop?
[2:30] * davr0s (~textual@host81-155-68-151.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[2:30] * ericwooley_ (~ericwoole@2600-6c52-7a00-3d90-d57b-1de3-00fb-dff2.dhcp6.chtrptr.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[2:30] * Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:31] * Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
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[2:33] * TheSin (~TheSin@d199-126-166-85.abhsia.telus.net) Quit (Quit: Client exiting)
[2:37] * CrazyEddy (crazyed@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[2:43] * TinkerTiger (~will@97-91-69-87.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi
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[2:55] * GenteelBen (GenteelBen@cpc129112-lutn14-2-0-cust66.know.cable.virginm.net) Quit ()
[2:55] * norwood67 (~human@c-76-102-39-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[3:03] * Johnjay_ (26780a63@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.120.10.99) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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[3:11] * Ceber (~cerberus@dslb-002-203-052-191.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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[3:17] * Dan-Bennett (Dan-Bennet@gateway/shell/suchznc/x-fvcpvfegpxmvwadq) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
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[3:23] * Colti (Miramar-FL@unaffiliated/colti) Quit (Excess Flood)
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[3:49] * taza (~taza@unaffiliated/taza) Quit ()
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[3:50] * Frodo_ is now known as piesquared
[3:54] <OO-Dragon> Tenacious-Techhu, hmm non admin non power.. low budget? keen learner? tech geek before actually being a tech geek
[3:55] <OO-Dragon> Tenacious-Techhu, so apps... browser?
[3:56] <OO-Dragon> Tenacious-Techhu, Docs, web, music, vid, maybe email client?
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[4:15] * nsk_nyc (~nsk_nyc@network179-254-host-74.inethn.net) Quit (Quit: My computer has gone to sleep.)
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[10:39] <Shadow_7_> odd... other computer with less flakey ethernet doesn't seem to crash jackdbus. 40+ min, breaking the 30 mark.
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[11:20] <Shadow_7_> not that packets should crash audio. But I guess I'll use the dongle lifestyle and see if audio can float in it's safe space.
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[11:39] <mfa298> Shadow_7_: how many usb devices do you have plugged in. There's a limit of something like 8 open usb connections and the ethernet hangs off of usb on the pi.
[11:42] <chris_99> There's nothing interesting in journalctl when it crashes?
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[12:22] <Shadow_7_> It just freezes, jack_mixer stops with whatever level was last produced. Nothing much of interest in the logs. Not much for usb, one powered hub, on it, the usb soundcard, a nub for the ipazz keyboard, a nub for the logi mouse, that's it. And it does seem that more reliable ethernet doesn't crash.
[12:23] <Shadow_7_> Even without the RPi 3B+ audio thing, the remote laptops ethernet generally needs to be reloaded once an hour (when in use).
[12:24] <chris_99> 'the remote laptops ethernet generally needs to be reloaded once an hour' what's that mean sorry
[12:24] <chris_99> you reboot it?
[12:24] <Shadow_7_> It's a [10ec:8168] (rev 15) realtek gigabit ethernet port on that laptop
[12:25] <Shadow_7_> I got a one liner that downs the network. modprobe -r, modprobe and up the network to get it going again.
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[12:25] <chris_99> weird. it doesn't work if you don't do that?
[12:26] <Shadow_7_> ON an hp 15 - bs053od laptop (office depot special)
[12:26] <Shadow_7_> it works for about an hour of youtube, then lags to no traffic
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[12:26] <Shadow_7_> The symptom for the pulseaudio server on the pi is jackdbus crashes at about 30 minutes of the same
[12:27] <Shadow_7_> Doing the apple dongle for ethernet on it now, no issues so far, > 30 minutes of various 10 minute clips so far
[12:27] <chris_99> and nothing in logs for the laptop?
[12:30] <Shadow_7_> not much on dmesg, except the reloads
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[12:32] <Shadow_7_> not much in journalctl -a either
[12:32] <chris_99> weird
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[12:32] <Shadow_7_> just daily crons and the reloads
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[12:33] <Shadow_7_> also has one of those rtl8723de wifi chips
[12:34] <Shadow_7_> the other laptop ba053nr is flawless relatively, except the github wifi driver
[12:34] <Shadow_7_> mostly all the same specs though cpu / ram wise
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[12:55] <Shadow_7_> I should add that updated in april didn't have the issue even on the bad ethernet. The latest july updates and issues.
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[13:39] <arahael> Is there any advantage to using Raspbian over say, Debian?
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[13:43] <mfa298> Debian won't work on the Pi1/Pi0, there's also some pi specific optimisations within the Raspbian kernel
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[13:47] <arahael> Ah, interesting. I'm getting the Pi 3B+.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian more or less is Debian but with Pi specific tweaks and optimisations.
[13:49] <arahael> Interesting - because I ws wondering: Why not just debian, given it's an Arm8, now.
[13:50] <mfa298> because Raspbian is designed to work on all models of Pi (including the ARM6 Pi1/Pi0)
[13:50] <arahael> mfa298: Right, but I don't care about that. :)
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[13:51] <artok> and tell us that you want 64bit OS also ;)
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[13:51] <arahael> artok: Honestly, I'm not fussed, though I have the impression that 32-bit is a bit better.
[13:51] <mfa298> in that case it's up to you to choose which you want. Although the majority of people use Raspbian so if you get stuch with something not quite working on debian you might be on your own
[13:52] <arahael> I might as well stick it out with Rasbian, at least initially.
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[13:52] <arahael> Seeing as I've ordered noobs already and all. :)
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[13:54] <artok> I had noobs, but then installed minimum raspbian as possible
[13:55] <arahael> Easy.
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[14:00] <artok> yeah, headless usage so no point using noobs after little fun with rpi
[14:01] <arahael> Awesome. :) I'm not sure yet if I'm going to use it headless or not. Might have a bit of fun using it as a desktop - but then eventually redelegate it as a router, to replace the current ShuttlePC.
[14:02] <arahael> (Which is an old, old Atom CPU. More RAM, but that's about it)
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[14:04] <mfa298> the Pi might not be great as a router as it's limited bandwidth (about 300mbps max for ethernet on the 3B+)
[14:04] <arahael> mfa298: I live in Australia.
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[14:05] <arahael> So this will be a router for my mobile internet access point.
[14:05] <arahael> Unless I'm happy with it as a desktop, which is a possibility.
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[14:07] <arahael> There's no sense in getting an especially fast computer - at work I have fast machines. At home I just like to be "efficient".
[14:07] <HrdwrBoB> no
[14:07] <HrdwrBoB> unless you're a luddite
[14:08] <HrdwrBoB> a pi is a terrible desktop
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[14:08] <arahael> I also have a macbook pro at home.
[14:08] <arahael> But the pi will have a linux system, which I like.
[14:08] <HrdwrBoB> then eh, whatever
[14:08] <arahael> Indeed.
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[14:09] <HrdwrBoB> I use an AWS instance these days
[14:09] <arahael> Likewise, actually, for my IRC and occasional webserving.
[14:09] <arahael> I use an ec2 nano instance.
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[14:09] <HrdwrBoB> I should probably step down to nano, I think I'm on micro
[14:09] <arahael> It's uh, fast enough for personal use.
[14:09] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[14:10] <chris_99> with ec2, are the free instances for ever?
[14:10] <HrdwrBoB> it pretty much just runs openvpn, screen, irssi
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[14:10] <arahael> Same speed as a micro, I think, actually, I run tmux, and weechat. Occasionally other small utilities.
[14:10] <arahael> But you have about half the CPU credits and less RAM.
[14:10] <arahael> chris_99: The micro instance is free for teh first year.
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[14:10] <HrdwrBoB> chris_99: 12 month AWS Free Tier term
[14:10] <arahael> HrdwrBoB: You can't run nano on the free tier.
[14:11] <chris_99> ahh
[14:11] <chris_99> thanks
[14:11] <arahael> chris_99: If you want cheap, there are better options.
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[14:11] <chris_99> i use hetzner which i'm quite pleased with atm
[14:11] <arahael> I mainly went with AWS for the experience.
[14:11] <chris_99> just wondering about another vps
[14:11] <HrdwrBoB> eh, I'm past my 12 months anyway
[14:11] <arahael> (As work uses AWS)
[14:11] <HrdwrBoB> I use AWS at work too
[14:12] <arahael> HrdwrBoB: Then you should definitely consider Nano.
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[14:12] <arahael> HrdwrBoB: Reserve it, even.
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[14:12] <arahael> Get your bill down as far as possible. :) My bill is typically around $8 or so - USD, I think.
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[14:12] <arahael> (I use S3 and all that, too)
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[14:13] <chris_99> what spec does that give you out of interest memory wise
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[14:14] <arahael> Interesting, I seem to have about half a gig of memory.
[14:14] <arahael> About double what I thought I had.
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[14:14] <arahael> Good thing too, as systemd uses 185
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> free -m
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> total used free shared buffers cached
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> Mem: 992 730 262 1 91 298
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> -/+ buffers/cache: 339 653
[14:14] <HrdwrBoB> Swap: 0 0 0
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[14:15] <arahael> HrdwrBoB: Right, that's the micro. Mine's the nano.
[14:15] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
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[14:16] <arahael> I'm a bit surprised how much memory systemd is using.
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[14:16] <arahael> (Ubuntu, btw. I dont like ubuntu much, but it's the most debian-like system in the official images)
[14:17] <arahael> And if ubuntu messes up, it's a quick and easy tear-down, rebuild. :)
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[14:17] <chris_99> i need to switch my vps again, it's now 8eur for 8GB i think
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[14:18] <arahael> I'm sticking with AWS - S3 has the potential to give me very very cheap websites.
[14:18] <arahael> ANd domain management is quite nice.
[14:18] <arahael> It's a one stop shop, ultimately.
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[14:18] <chris_99> you put the files in s3?
[14:18] <chris_99> for the website
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[14:19] <arahael> Yeah.
[14:19] <arahael> Really trivial website though - I didn't spend any time on it, but yeah, s3 can serve static websites.
[14:19] <HrdwrBoB> I pay for dropbox at the moment
[14:20] <HrdwrBoB> I looked at doing owncloud or something, not worth the hassle
[14:20] <arahael> HrdwrBoB: I'm tempted to take a look at syncthing
[14:20] <arahael> Written in Golang, I think.
[14:21] <arahael> (Wouldn't run nicely on Pi, though - it likes to sha hash everything, and encrypt for good measure, or something)
[14:21] <HrdwrBoB> hahah
[14:21] <HrdwrBoB> reminds me of a few years ago we tried to run rsync on a RISC machine
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[14:22] <arahael> :)
[14:22] <arahael> I shoudl get to bed. :(
[14:22] <arahael> G'night!
[14:22] <BurtyB> arahael, it can serve static sites very slowly
[14:23] <arahael> BurtyB: The Pi?
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[14:23] <arahael> BurtyB: I put cloudfront infront of the S3, actually.
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[16:33] <fred__tv> .
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[16:35] <fred__tv> Hi, I have my raspbian stretch lite (console) running a framebuffer mode at 1680x1050 by default, how can I change permanently to 1920x1080 ?
[16:38] <chris_99> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/video.md seems you just set it in config.txt
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[16:40] <audiofile> hi, how can I use my pi as a vpn server?
[16:40] <audiofile> my uni blocks a ton of useful sites and services like dropbox so I was wondering if I could connect to my pi at home and browse
[16:41] <Khaytsus> running openvpn is trivial
[16:41] <Khaytsus> Is your home connection fast enough for it to not be terrible? And what about other vpn solutions intead of your home?
[16:42] <audiofile> openvpn on pi to route the traffic from my laptop at uni?
[16:42] <audiofile> yeah, home wifi is fast enough and no, most vpns are blocked at uni
[16:42] <Khaytsus> Your laptop would connect to the pi over openvpn...
[16:42] <audiofile> oh
[16:42] <audiofile> ok, so how do I go about doing just that?
[16:42] <Khaytsus> Your uni sucks.
[16:43] <audiofile> It isn't possible for my uni to block openvpn itself, right?
[16:43] <Khaytsus> And......... any openvpn tutorial
[16:43] <audiofile> yeah ikr
[16:43] <GraysonBriggs> what evil Uni blocks Dropbox?
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[16:43] <audiofile> my uni smh
[16:43] <Khaytsus> No, because you can have openvpn work on port 443, which unless they're actually inspecting packets would just look like https
[16:43] <audiofile> Khaytsus do I need to setup a port on my pi or how does that work?
[16:43] <Khaytsus> And......... any openvpn tutorial
[16:43] <audiofile> wow sweet
[16:43] <audiofile> :P thx
[16:43] <GraysonBriggs> ours had 100mb up/down and allowed port forwarding, it was awesome
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[16:43] <GraysonBriggs> mine*
[16:43] <chris_99> you mean you had a public ip?
[16:44] <audiofile> yeah
[16:44] <Khaytsus> I know some universities don't allow streaming etc, which I get...... but blocking dropbox??
[16:44] <audiofile> seriously, I'm always in a jam because only dropbox syncs reliably on linux and it's blocked smh
[16:44] <audiofile> dropbox, youtube are blocked...facebook, adult sites aren't
[16:44] <chris_99> haha weird
[16:45] <audiofile> guess the sysadmin needs the last one a lot ;)
[16:45] <audiofile> and to top it off, there's a signal jammer so I can't even get a mobile signal
[16:45] <audiofile> no 4G
[16:45] <chris_99> surely that's illegal?
[16:46] <Khaytsus> Signal jammer? I _seriosly_ doubt that
[16:46] <audiofile> sounds more like prison amirite
[16:46] <audiofile> it's common knowledge here
[16:46] <Khaytsus> what country is this?
[16:46] <audiofile> go into <insert main building> and watch your phone search for signal. Step out and boom, you have a signal
[16:46] <audiofile> hmm I'm gonna be a bit wide with this...Asia
[16:47] <audiofile> anyway, thanks. I'm gonna check this out
[16:47] <Khaytsus> I'm pretty sure you're confusing signal attentuation.
[16:47] <mfa298> having no signal inside larger buildings isn't uncommon but that doesn't mean they're jamming the signals
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[16:47] <audiofile> nuh uh. It's just that one building where the classes happen
[16:47] <mfa298> more likely it's re-inforced concrete which makes for a good faraday cage.
[16:48] <Khaytsus> audiofile: You're confused.
[16:48] <audiofile> hmm I'm no good at recognizing that but the professors do acknowledge that they've installed a jammer there
[16:48] <audiofile> Khaytsus am I?
[16:48] <Khaytsus> Do you also believe in chem trails?
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[16:50] <audiofile> :/
[16:50] <audiofile> not sure why I'm being pegged as a conspiracy theorist...
[16:50] <audiofile> http://www.pivpn.io/ is this fine?
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[16:54] <chris_99> it's not impossible that it's a signal jammer though, but thick concrete / whatnot may be more likely, could bust out an rtlsdr ;)
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[16:55] <mfa298> I don't think theres many places that signal jammers are legal. and could potentially get people into a lot of trouble
[16:55] <chris_99> you can buy them easily enough though i guess
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[17:08] <audiofile> I don't think people in most third-world countries care about what's legal and what's not
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[17:11] <chris_99> i've never setup a VPN just curious, can you also use 'keys' like SSH, with OpenVPN?
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[17:13] <mlelstv> you use x509 certificates
[17:14] <chris_99> sorry i'm a bit confused, how does that work with authentication though
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[17:16] <mlelstv> you can use these also on the client, and the server then validates them to allow a connection.
[17:16] <chris_99> oh
[17:16] <chris_99> gotcha
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[17:17] <mlelstv> you can also plain text shared secrets. But these are inherently weaker.
[17:17] <chris_99> mm
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[17:17] <fred__tv> chris_99: Thanks !
[17:17] <mlelstv> "plain text" means: stored as such on both sides. No transmitted in the clear.
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[17:17] <chris_99> yeah
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[17:21] <chris_99> Have you heard of Tinc vpn, apparently that uses keys, can't comment though as i've never used it
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[17:23] <mlelstv> me neither
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[17:23] <mlelstv> but wether you call it "key" or "secret" or "certificate", there is hardly a functional difference :)
[17:24] <chris_99> with certs you have authorities though right?
[17:24] <mlelstv> sure, but that could be yourself.
[17:25] <chris_99> true
[17:25] <mlelstv> the most simple case are "self-signed" certificates.
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[17:44] <chris_99> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ anyone seen that
[17:45] <chris_99> curious how it's tapping the ethernet power
[17:45] <chris_99> maybe pogo pins?
[17:46] <chris_99> oh wait what are the 4 pins on the pi
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[17:50] <chris_99> ah yeah its the 4 pins it uses
[17:50] <audiofile> yes
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[17:54] <mfa298> chris_99: you're a bit behind the times. most of us talked about the PoE hat when the 3B+ was released (the 4 extra pins on the 3B+ are the centre taps from the magjack)
[17:54] <mfa298> still waiting for when it goes on sale, maybe it'll appear in a couple of weeks
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[17:57] <chris_99> Haha, I've only just now been playing with the 3b+, had some original b,s for ages though
[17:58] <Syliss> yeah i have the first 10k run pi, omg 256mb ram is so little
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[17:59] <Syliss> its actually still running, under my tv as a seed box
[17:59] <chris_99> Heh
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[18:01] <Syliss> hey, for 6 years old, its still works good
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[18:06] <fooman2011> Hello. I'm trying to use buildroot on y raspberry pi 3 to compile an image for my raspberry pi zero w. But during the compilation I get the error: tmp-divrem_1.s:129: Error: selected processor does not support `mls r1,r4,r8,r11' in ARM mode . Could you please help me to solve this problem ? Thanks
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[18:38] <leftyfb> https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/nespi-case awesome :)
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[19:02] <chris_99> pretty
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[19:06] <TinkerTiger> So, still looking how to bind a driver to a usb device when it isn't happening automatically.
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[19:07] <chris_99> i'm not quite sure what you mean, what kind of device, is the module loaded?
[19:07] <TinkerTiger> The device is seen, and the module is loading but not attached according to lsmod.
[19:08] <chris_99> lsmod shows the modules currently loaded right, so it's not there?
[19:08] <TinkerTiger> Correct.
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[19:08] <TinkerTiger> No, wait.
[19:09] <TinkerTiger> It is in the 'lsmod' list but it's not showing attached to anything.
[19:09] <TinkerTiger> Also, when I try to use the device it fails.
[19:09] <chris_99> l assume you're talking about 'Used by'
[19:09] <chris_99> ?
[19:09] <TinkerTiger> Yes.
[19:09] <chris_99> that doesn't mean a device is attached
[19:09] <chris_99> or not
[19:09] <TinkerTiger> Sorry. If I don't have it in front of me, I do not recall the exact verbage.
[19:09] <chris_99> it's just if other modules use it
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[19:10] <chris_99> have a look what dmesg/journalctl say when you plug in the usb
[19:10] <mfa298> if you want help putting some of the logs, command output etc up somewhere might help, I don't know about anyone else but my crystal ball isn't working today
[19:10] <chris_99> heh
[19:10] <TinkerTiger> If I should say it appears not to be bound to the device, the driver and the device are not communicating.
[19:12] <TinkerTiger> No need to be a smartalic about it. I'm asking generally how you bind something, or unbind something because I feel that it doesn't always happen automatically.
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[19:12] <TinkerTiger> I know, computer people hate general questions.
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[19:13] <chris_99> it does generally happen automatically, if the driver is loaded, what driver is it, and what device?
[19:13] <mfa298> aiui the "binding" is done within the drivers by each driver having a list of usb id's it supports
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[19:14] <mfa298> so knowing something about the device and what messages you see would likely help a lot.
[19:14] <mfa298> the general advice would be fix the driver in the kernel source and recompile the kernel - but I'm not sure that's going to help you much ;)
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[19:15] <TinkerTiger> mfa298: I am learning about this as I go. Thank you for the information. I find it strange now that it isn't working the way I expect, now.
[19:16] <TinkerTiger> When I get that pi up again, I'll find that list and see what's going on.
[19:16] <TinkerTiger> Thank you all.
[19:17] <mfa298> if what you expect is based on what windows or mac does then they're not the same as Linux (and Mac is probably not the same as Windows either)
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[19:17] <TinkerTiger> You don't know this, but I started using Unix nearly 30 years ago.
[19:17] <chris_99> try getting the output of journalctl --since "1 hour ago" or something, when you plug the device in
[19:17] <TinkerTiger> I have just never needed to play with hardware drivers.
[19:18] <TinkerTiger> If I can't figure it out, I'll let you guy know.
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[19:19] <TinkerTiger> My first computer was an HP-850! hahah.
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[19:22] <TinkerTiger> Ah, foozball. I'll go down, turn it on and ssh into it.
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[19:31] <TinkerTiger> Whew, that was a derp. Okay, now to find that list.
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[19:38] <TinkerTiger> Okay, never seen this before: "loading out-of-tree module taints kernel." from syslog
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[19:40] <EdLin> hi
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[19:41] <TinkerTiger> Hi!
[19:41] <EdLin> I just got a PiTFT Plus, and I installed it incorrectly at first, then plugged in the Pi and the red and green LEDs lit. I unplugged the pi, installed the PiTFT correctly, and now only the red LED turns on and it doesn't boot.
[19:41] <EdLin> did I break my Pi?
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[19:45] <TinkerTiger> Will it boot without the HAT?
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[19:49] <EdLin> not sure, I can't seem to remove the HAT and am worried I could break it further
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[19:57] <TinkerTiger> If it doesn't boot with it on, and you have tested your SD card to make sure it's seated correctly, than taking it off might be the only way to find out. They can be hard to remove but you can do it gently, slowly.
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[20:01] <TinkerTiger> chris_99: I have no journal files, or at least none were found.
[20:02] <TinkerTiger> chris_99: I have no journal files, or at least none were found.
[20:02] <TinkerTiger> Hmm.
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[20:02] <chris_99> you mean running 'journalctl' didn't print anything?
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[20:03] <chris_99> TinkerTiger: what do you mean, journalctl didn't print anything?
[20:04] <TinkerTiger> It said: "No journal files were found."
[20:05] <chris_99> are you using an old version of raspbian/...?
[20:05] <TinkerTiger> Yes, I had to. Software I want to use has yet to be updated.
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[20:06] <chris_99> i guess try 'dmesg'?
[20:06] <EdLin> TinkerTiger, it's not booting even with the HAT removed...
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[20:07] <TinkerTiger> EdLin: When you had the HAT installed wrong, you may have sent power where it doesn't belong...
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[20:08] <EdLin> :(
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[20:08] <BurtyB> EdLin, is it a 3b+?
[20:08] <EdLin> yes, a 3b+
[20:09] <EdLin> why?
[20:10] <BurtyB> EdLin, they're *a lot* less forgiving on what you do to the 3.3v rail than the 3b (aka I have a stack of dead 3b+ and no dead 3b)
[20:11] <TinkerTiger> chris_99: dmesg is blank and all the other logs came up normal looking except for the 'out-of-tree" line I pasted a bit ago.
[20:11] <chris_99> does 'lsusb' show the device
[20:11] <Lartza> TinkerTiger, Are you aware that old Raspbian versions are totally insecure?
[20:11] <TinkerTiger> Yes.
[20:12] <Lartza> There is no security team like on Debian
[20:12] <TinkerTiger> Lartza: Yes, why?
[20:12] <ShorTie> all debian security updates are push thru within hours normally
[20:12] <Lartza> Why is there no security team or why you should be aware of using an insecure OS? :P
[20:13] <ShorTie> because there is only 1 guy that does raspbian
[20:13] <Lartza> ShorTie, To Raspbian wheezy?
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[20:14] <ShorTie> i wouldn't think plugwash has stopped wheezy updates
[20:14] <TinkerTiger> All my main computers are encrypted, the Pis are for sensor nodes and don't need to be secure.
[20:15] <mfa298> wheezy probably won't have had much in the way of updates for 2-3 years.
[20:15] <mfa298> I don't think even the debian team update wheezy now
[20:15] <Lartza> ShorTie, They stopped long before Debian stopped updates to wheezy in May this year
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[20:20] <Tenacious-Techhu> Which of the pi groups aren't necessary for typical end-user stuff, like using typical desktop applications?
[20:21] <DrJ> pi groups?
[20:21] <mfa298> most of them probably aren't necessary for a normal desktop user
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[20:23] <Tenacious-Techhu> Right; so the question is, which ones are?
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[20:24] <TinkerTiger> Ha! I figured it out.
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[20:25] <TinkerTiger> I was using one of the Pi2s and not the Pi3.
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[20:30] <Khaytsus> should work on 2 or 3 equally
[20:31] <TinkerTiger> Khaytsus: This issue was with me. My one of my Pi2s looks much like the Pi3 so I thought I was using the 3 and expecting to see two wifi interfaces.
[20:31] <Khaytsus> Oh gotcha
[20:31] <Khaytsus> so you have a usb wifi and your onboard I guess
[20:31] <TinkerTiger> If I were on the Pi3.
[20:32] <Khaytsus> yes
[20:32] <TinkerTiger> I'm saving the 3 for something else. This one only needs to be a 'net gateway.
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[20:33] <TinkerTiger> Testing to see if the wifi comes up like it's supposed to.
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[20:35] <TinkerTiger> I am my own worst enemy.
[20:36] <Khaytsus> I still need to fiure out why my pi in my car doesn't do something on wifi up myself. I just never think about it when I have time to plug it in and mess with it heh
[20:37] <TinkerTiger> Okay, I have mesh node 1 up and running. Now, all I need is more mesh nodes!
[20:37] <TinkerTiger> Thanks, food it on. So...bye!
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[22:21] <Tenacious-Techhu> Which of the pi user groups do I not need for a non-administrative average desktop user?
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[22:23] <shauno> the defaults are pretty sane (I think they still include 'floppy' and 'cdrom', which don't hurt, but don't do anything useful either)
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[22:42] <Tenacious-Techhu> shauno, I presume you mean the defaults from: adduser --add_extra_groups
[22:43] <Tenacious-Techhu> ?
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[22:43] <shauno> right
[22:44] <Tenacious-Techhu> I figure they are, but it's hard to be sure about some of these groups, what they do, and what they don't do.
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[22:46] <shauno> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups
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[22:48] <Blakes5> hey all I have two nics on my pi, builtin and a usb adapter. Whether they're wlan0 or wlan1 changes on boot. Is there any way to make sure either the drivers for the nics are loaded in order or to fix the naming of the nics.
[22:49] <Blakes5> Oh, running Raspbian
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[22:52] <chris_99> shiftplusone: helped me solve that recently
[22:52] <chris_99> one sec
[22:52] <leftyfb> Blakes5: I answered you in #ubuntu. Not sure why you were asking there to begin with.
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[22:53] <Blakes5> leftyfb I appreciate the suggestion. I thought the answer would be the same across the two platforms being debian based. They're not, because the file under the udev dir listed on that site does not exist on raspbian.
[22:54] <leftyfb> Blakes5: it won't exist on ubuntu either. You create it.
[22:54] <chris_99> i didn't do it with a udev rule if that's what you mean, you can do it with a systemd entry
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[22:54] <Blakes5> Chris_99 yes. That's what I mean.
[22:54] <Blakes5> leftyfb I'll look at it in more depth then.
[22:55] <chris_99> i'm not near the pi's i did it on atm, just trying to find an example
[22:55] <leftyfb> Blakes5: udev and systemd are both valid approches
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[22:55] <Blakes5> Thanks leftfb
[22:55] <chris_99> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.link.html
[22:55] <chris_99> leftyfb: yeah sorry i didn't mean to say one is better than the other
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[22:56] <chris_99> see - /etc/systemd/network/10-dmz.link
[22:57] <chris_99> also make sure predictable interfaces are turned off
[22:57] <chris_99> if you do this
[22:57] <chris_99> way
[22:57] <Blakes5> Thanks to both of you.
[22:58] <Blakes5> leftyfb my asking here is purely due to my ignorance regarding udev.
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[22:58] <Tenacious-Techhu> shauno, I read that before, but it's a little vague... netdev seems to involve configuring network stuff, but does that include basic usage, like a web browser? What about dialout; does that cover basic network usage, or is it strictly serial port access; and does that apply to USB virtual serial ports too?
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[23:01] <Tenacious-Techhu> And is plugdev needed for removing flash drives from the gui, or is that only needed for command-line level manual stuff?
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[23:38] <chris_99> '21:38:22 up 153 days, 3:55, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00' i'm really suprised by that heh, i just left it in the shed and forgot about it
[23:39] <chris_99> also suprised the power hasn't tripped
[23:39] <chris_99> in that time
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