#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-07-31

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[0:20] <rigid> ahoy
[0:21] <rigid> does anyone know if the kernel patch is needed to set up a high-speed uart like described here: http://fw.hardijzer.nl/?p=138 ?
[0:21] <rigid> *still needed
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[3:56] <leonardus> anyone here done a rpi nas? or a rpi seedbox? is it a good idea?
[3:57] <Shadow_7_> if speed isn't important
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[3:58] <Shadow_7_> And all the externals have powered hubs
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[4:21] <prototron> Hi. I am getting static noise / crackling using the mic input of an adafruit USB soundcard. Is it a know issue? Does anybody have any information about this?
[4:21] <prototron> Like this one: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1475
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[4:27] <Shadow_7_> cheap mics have a bias voltage / plugin power which has a high noise floor.
[4:27] <Shadow_7_> You can use noise removal since it's mostly the same noise profile.
[4:28] <Shadow_7_> If you can unplug the mic, it should have roughly the same sound without the microphone
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[4:31] <Shadow_7_> It's a rabbit hole if you want a low noise floor. My setup atm is a steinberg ur22mkII with a sound devices MM-1 mic preamp and a shure sm137 microphone.
[4:32] <Shadow_7_> $150 + $350 + 200
[4:32] <Shadow_7_> +$50 in cables +$50 in stands / mounts +$$$ $$$ $$$
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[4:34] <artok> well that's still cheap entrypoint setup =)
[4:35] <Shadow_7_> I have spent way more and have most of that gear still beyond that. That's what I've landed on for my current purposes.
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[4:36] <Shadow_7_> I have a korg mr-1000, which was $1,200 new. Not even considering the reproduction side which I have a set of minnie maggies $1,500 speakers
[4:36] <artok> in audio world. but usually you'll get noises when power supply and/or other components give flux
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[4:37] <artok> on that simple usb io, I would try to use ferrite around the usb cable
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[4:37] <Shadow_7_> The trick is to use very short cables
[4:38] <Shadow_7_> as long as your gear doesn't make noises
[4:40] <artok> basic pc users get noise from gpu that when having very white screen, you can hear that from the speakers (integrated audio chip, all analog stuff without proper capacitors does this)
[4:40] <Shadow_7_> Once it's digital you can run long ethernet runs
[4:41] <artok> even digital you might want to have ferrite around cable, I have them on all my usb cables when doing audio gigs
[4:41] <Shadow_7_> I recorded with the korg mr-1000 near a radio station once. I had to shield it under the aluminum bleachers of the stadium, and still got some radio in the capture
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[4:44] <Shadow_7_> I wouldn't even have known at the time if I didn't have monitoring headphones
[4:44] <artok> what was it, 5MHz + samplerate?
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[4:45] <Shadow_7_> You had to really amp the capture in post to hear it. More of a dance beat in the track.
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[4:46] <Shadow_7_> Once semi-shielded. Before that it was like listening to a neighbors radio through the walls
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[4:52] <prototron> Shadow_7_, UR22 works well on a Pi ???
[4:52] <prototron> That's my sound card on my pc
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[4:54] <prototron> Shadow_7_, but FYI, I am not using the mic input with a microphone. My phone/pc/whater is outputing into the mic in
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[4:56] <Shadow_7_> It works well enough. My maggies on the other hand are quirky. I have to use jack_mixer to -34dB to have it sound good.
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[4:56] <Shadow_7_> The maggies really fwap when a track has clipping in it
[4:57] <prototron> maggies?
[4:57] <Shadow_7_> minnie maggies from magnepan
[4:58] <Shadow_7_> Their main line is ribbon speakers of some girth
[4:58] <prototron> have you tried any USB mixer on a Pi?
[4:59] <Shadow_7_> The maggies are like thier PC option. Except the woofer -ish thing is the size of my monitor. Bigger actually
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[4:59] <Shadow_7_> ATM, ur22mkII to a presonus HP4 to a rx-540 stereo to the maggies
[5:00] <Shadow_7_> The ur22 just seems to run hot as far as output signal goes with high distortion. Unless tamed with jack_mixer (or calf eq plugins)
[5:00] <artok> those yamaha thingies distort easily, not much headroom
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[5:01] <Shadow_7_> with the software -34dB, I can put the HP4 and the ur22 to max and it'll sound good, plus the levels on the stereo will actually show (bottom 30% of it's lights).
[5:03] <artok> when software is -34dB, you're losing some DA bits there,
[5:03] <artok> -34dB is quite much
[5:03] <Shadow_7_> I don't know if it's dB... whatever jack_mixer measures things as. But yeah, only 25% of it's capabilities
[5:04] <artok> depending on bit depth, ofcoz
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[5:04] <artok> 32bit float and no problems =)
[5:04] <Shadow_7_> luckily the ur22 is 24 bit
[5:05] <Shadow_7_> I suppose that if I used my 16 bit mobilepre I wouldn't have such quirks
[5:05] <artok> 24 bit, decent, if the original file is mastered like idiot (close into 0dBFS)
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[5:06] <Shadow_7_> I might opt for the focusrite 2i2 or 6i6 eventually
[5:06] <artok> but if it's real, -18dBFS = 0dBU
[5:06] <Shadow_7_> I just got excited when I saw the ur22 could be powered by something other than the USB bus
[5:07] <artok> focusrite is my favourite on small IO:s (slightly biased, as I used to work for local distributor of Focusrite)
[5:07] <Shadow_7_> although it takes my 10k mAH battery down 1% per minute when powered by that. I prefer 4 hour middle of a corn field capabilities.
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[5:08] <Shadow_7_> I was trigger finger on the 2i2 when I got the ur22
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[5:08] <Shadow_7_> The ur22 records well at least
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[5:09] <artok> focusrite has better preamps
[5:09] <artok> but, again it's what is the usage
[5:09] <Shadow_7_> The main reason I opted for it, was that + battery management. I have the sound devices, which get 4 hours on 2x AAs. Not that I'll get 4 hours on a 3B+ on anything other than a boat battery
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[5:11] <Shadow_7_> Spoiled by my pocketchip with 4-5 hours out of the box, and 14-ish hours with the 10k mAh battery in play
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[5:18] <prototron> Hey but for issue with noise/crackling... Any idea?
[5:21] <Shadow_7_> plugin power... it's a voltage applied to power cheap mics. Higher end gear don't have such a voltage.
[5:22] <Shadow_7_> plus proximity to components that add interference
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[5:22] <Shadow_7_> you have to buy a battery box to power those cheap mics on higher end gear
[5:22] <prototron> can I disable the voltage somehow?
[5:22] <Shadow_7_> outside of hardware modification, not really.
[5:23] <Shadow_7_> You can noise removal decently with a high enough sampling rate
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[5:26] <Shadow_7_> Although any editing will have artifact
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[5:30] <prototron> yeah it's just for music listening
[5:31] <Shadow_7_> shouldn't be on the output side (much)
[5:31] <Shadow_7_> non- full-duplex cards can have crossover (input plays on the output).
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[5:32] <Shadow_7_> Probably need one of those fancy cables for the newer pi's. Since there's an extra nub in there for video
[5:32] <Shadow_7_> Or the cable ins't fully plugged in
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[5:42] <arahael> I've been looking at Pi-Hole, and wondering how that works in an https world.
[5:42] <Shadow_7_> it blocks the IP, it doesn't need to see the packets
[5:43] <Shadow_7_> DNS is for the most part not https (yet).
[5:43] <arahael> Neat, from what I saw, however, is that it redirects to a local http lighty server or something?
[5:43] <arahael> DNS isn't http either?
[5:44] <Shadow_7_> There are some efforts to make it encrypted, but mostly it's not
[5:44] <Shadow_7_> #blamewinxp
[5:45] <arahael> Ah, so you mean encrypted dns, not "dns over https"?
[5:46] <Shadow_7_> well it's udp packets over port 53
[5:46] <arahael> Indeed.
[5:47] <arahael> Just bought myself a massively, stupidly overpriced HTMI to DVI cable.
[5:47] <arahael> So looking forward to when the Pi arrives.
[5:47] <Shadow_7_> I bought a $30 hdmi to DVI adapter and a normal HDMI cable
[5:47] <Shadow_7_> Also $30
[5:47] <arahael> Oh, wow. This is $16.
[5:47] <arahael> AUD.
[5:48] <Shadow_7_> But I bought that stuff near 2006 during the "change-over"
[5:48] <arahael> But it uses "oxygen-free copper wire" and all that bullshit.
[5:48] <Shadow_7_> Got a 20' HDMI cable when circuit city liquidated for $75
[5:49] <arahael> This is 1.8m.
[5:49] <arahael> 20' is insane. :)
[5:49] <Shadow_7_> Not really... to attach the camcorder, while in front of the TV
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[5:49] <Shadow_7_> Or to use your 42" tv for a computer monitor
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[5:50] <arahael> Sure. :)
[5:51] <Shadow_7_> Although most times my camcorder usage is to read the instructions on the back side of the water heater
[5:51] <arahael> Funny, that. :) I just use my phone.
[5:51] <Shadow_7_> A space not big enough to be traversed by a human head
[5:52] <Shadow_7_> Over 40 so a phone is a phone. Plus the eyes not good enough to read a 3" 8k display
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[5:55] <TinkerTiger> Eh, I'm rather bummed. My oldest pi, while functional, does not seem functional enough to do what I want.
[5:55] <Shadow_7_> Although I really want a gemini to use as a linux laptop
[5:55] <Shadow_7_> Though that keyboard design is mortifying
[5:55] <arahael> Shadow_7_: Thank goodness for zoom. :)
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[5:56] <TinkerTiger> Is the Gemini out?
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[5:57] <Shadow_7_> Some podcasters have reviewed it
[5:58] <Shadow_7_> More out than that dragon pyra or whatever thing with videos dating back most of a decade and no actual hardware in consumer hands
[5:59] * TinkerTiger chuckles.
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[6:01] <TinkerTiger> Not that I need anything else.
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[6:02] <Shadow_7_> I could probably use a pair of pinebooks
[6:03] <Shadow_7_> and some DVB things to watch live TV when the interwebs get broke
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[6:06] <TinkerTiger> I already have two laptops which I got for essentially free, but running Debian and 3 RPis, and an OrangePi Zero. I'm waiting for a Pi2 to return home.
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[6:07] <TinkerTiger> My original B+ still works but the eth0 is acting really odd. If I can get everything loaded it doesn't matter so much but it's being a pain.
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[6:12] <arahael> TinkerTiger: You could add another ethernet port to it, I guess - or just use wifi.
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[6:12] <arahael> It's remarkable that this RPi3B+ is likely to be a significant upgrade for my server. (Yeah, I know the ethernet is crippled. But the current server only has 100Mb/s ethernet.)
[6:13] <TinkerTiger> arahael: I'm looking for my last remaining 'easy' wifi dongle now, not finding it.
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[6:15] <arahael> Doesn't the 3B+ have wifi already?
[6:15] <TinkerTiger> arahael: I'm playing with my original B+, not 3B+.
[6:16] <arahael> Ah, ok.
[6:16] <Zardoz> b and b+ both have wifi
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[6:17] <TinkerTiger> If I don't get this working, I'm out the Arduino HAT I have for it which only fits the smaller GPIO of the 1B+.
[6:18] <Zardoz> you must mean the 1b the 1b+ has the same new header
[6:19] <TinkerTiger> Sorry, yes. I keep making that mistake.
[6:19] <TinkerTiger> I bought it so long ago!
[6:20] <Zardoz> yeah,
[6:20] <Zardoz> I did the same
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[6:22] <arahael> What does HAT stand for?
[6:23] <Zardoz> I really like this Kintaro SNES Case. I got for the pi
[6:23] <TinkerTiger> Hardware Attached on Top.
[6:23] <arahael> Ah, interesting - I thought it was just a little "hat".
[6:24] <TinkerTiger> It's a little giggle. Surprisingly non-recursive like many older naming schemes.
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[6:26] <TinkerTiger> It likely started as a joke, "It's a hat!", "but what does that mean?" "Ummm..."
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[6:28] <TinkerTiger> If I can't get this thing going tomorrow, I'll have to set it aside and figure out what I'm teaching.
[6:29] <TinkerTiger> "This is a shell, say hello shell: echo "Hello."
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[6:37] <TinkerTiger> I'd better go to sleep.
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[10:48] <chris_99> Hey, out of interest can anyone recommend any brands for 5v 80a+ PSUs, I saw meanwell do one for 100a, but that's 198 which is a little pricey for me. There's a noname 80a one for 37, I noticed on amazon
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> welding transformer ...
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[11:00] <chris_99> Ah what kind of welder out of interest
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[11:11] <chris_99> https://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detail/en/mean-well-usa-inc/HRP-600-5/1866-2737-ND/7704325 is a reasonable price. But still curious about the welding approach
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[11:26] <chris_99> ah it seems there's two main types i think of DC welder, constant voltage and constant current
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[11:40] <mfa298> do you actually need a 5V 80A PSU, or is it more a case of needing to power lots of 5V 1-3A devices
[11:41] <chris_99> more of a case of powering a number of 200W devices, and might as well just use one PSU if i can
[11:42] <mfa298> for the latter I might look for a higher voltage (and so lower current PSU) then run a bunch of DCDC SMPS type convertors
[11:43] <mfa298> hmmm, 200W at 5V sounds like some very beefy cables
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Actually, I was sort of joking. most welders I used run at about 2v - but they were old stick welders.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> yes, bit cables - think of the I^2 R loss.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> *big
[11:45] <chris_99> sorry i just re-calculated, 100W for each led strip
[11:48] <mfa298> test your led strips, I used some a few years ago (much lower power) and the far end was noticeably darker than the powered end (those pesky I^2 R losses in the pcb strip they were mounted on)
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> you could wire the power as a ring - like UK ring mains.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> depends on the length/physical layout to some extent though, but 10mm twin & earth is relatively cheap...
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> think I'd be tempted to use separate PSUs for each strip too.
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> redundancy and all that - and a spare PSU on-hand might be helpful.
[11:52] <chris_99> interesting mfa298 i've played with the ws2812b before and didn't notice that before, i had 3 connected in series, and powered at the start of each
[11:53] <chris_99> that was 5m / 60l/m
[11:53] <chris_99> i mean 3x 5m strips
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[11:55] <chris_99> out of interest, is there a simple way to switch over between two psus automatically
[11:55] <chris_99> that'd be overkill for this
[11:55] <chris_99> just curious
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[11:57] <BurtyB> chris_99, a diode from each supply but you prob don't want to do that if you're pulling 100A ;)
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[11:58] <chris_99> ah interesting, it's that simple?
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[12:02] <chris_99> just found this - https://www.edn.com/design/power-management/4419835/Multiple-PSUs-share-load apparently one psu supplies most of the loading interestingly if there's a voltage diff of 1V, but i guess 1V would be high
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[12:02] <chris_99> will have to try that sometime
[12:05] <mfa298> personally I'd probably still go for a higher voltage psu then use some decent sized smps with shorter strips. that way you keep the high current runs short (less losses and so less heating of wires)
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[12:09] <chris_99> there are shorter strips with higher led counts per metre i was looking at, that come in 1m strips
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[12:10] <chris_99> that's just 40W for a strip then
[12:11] <mfa298> some strips (I dont know about those ones) are designed to be cut into shorter lengths as well
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> you can use high power Schottky diodes.
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> typically used to parallel solar panels...
[13:49] <chris_99> ah neat
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[13:50] <chris_99> if you didn't do that, you'd end up damaging the panels i assume
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> it just stops the lower output ones being reverse biased - handy when you have panels with different outputs - e.g. on different sides of a building.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> stuff starts to get sill expensive when you want to do proper load sharing and redundancy with PSUs - just try looking for a server with redundant PSUs... suddenly there's an extra zero on the price...
[13:57] <chris_99> heh, i have a rather naff old blade server with with 2 psus, but i think helpfully one is broken
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[14:19] <xaviergmail> I'm trying to control a stepper motor with a DRV8825, but with sleep+reset connected to 3.3, dir and step to ground, the motor 'freaks' out as if there was a lot of noise signals going to the driver. I have tried different motors/drivers but I still get this weird thing.
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[14:48] <gordonDrogon> I've used these chips on the Pololu carrier. There are Chinesium variants, sadly.
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> make sure you tie the microstepping pins one way or the other.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> you also need to tune it to the max. current you want the stepper motors to draw. You need a good multimter and a good "trimpot" screwdriver.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> I presume you're followed the design guides and are using a separate PSU with a good local tank capacitor of at least 100�F next to the chip too.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> other than thatm, they're the bees knees for smaller steppers.
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[15:02] <sloth> https://i.imgur.com/fznktAp.jpg
[15:03] <shiftplusone> No male and female versions at least.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> sloth, so what am I missing there? I've no idea what it's about.
[15:04] <sloth> gordonDrogon: emojis have a unicode
[15:04] <sloth> for skincolor
[15:04] <sloth> so you can do <emoji><skin color>
[15:04] <sloth> so instead of man waving you can have man waving asian
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> and this is Pi related, how?
[15:05] <sloth> but in the new ios, apple has made it so the basketball changes color using the skincolor unicode
[15:05] <Khaytsus> Emojis should die in a fire.
[15:05] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: since emojis were all yellow, there were complaints that they don't represent different people. They've added a modifiers for gender and skin colour to address that, but it seems like Apple have applied it to inanimate objects
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[15:05] <sloth> so it would appear as if the basketball is made of skin
[15:05] <shiftplusone> not pi related at all
[15:05] <sloth> no i run ios on my pi
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> sometimes I think people think too much. If this is what wories the world, then we're more than doomed.
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> anyway... back to fixing the nodejs clusterfun.
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[15:07] <fedorafan> hey
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> oh, you making node not use wiringPi? If so, then Hurrah!
[15:08] <shiftplusone> I don't think nodejs itself has anything to do with wiringpi, I guess there's a library for nodejs that adds bindings
[15:08] <shiftplusone> did they statically link an old version again?
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> no idea. I still get emails, but have given up on them. yesterday I has some wally tell me how he was so good having had 20 years development under his belt. I gave up at that point.
[15:11] <shiftplusone> 20 years? impressive. It's not easy to be bad at something for that long.
[15:11] <shiftplusone> But no, we had some people strongly pushing for a newer version of nodejs to be included. There's a new nodejs release every time anybody sneezes, so anything that was released more than 5 seconds ago is ancient and useless. I kept pointing out that Debian has a ton of packages which use the old version of nodejs, so updating it is likely to break things which depend on it. It was decided we should go ahead anyway and whadayaknow....
[15:11] <shiftplusone> now I have to go through and rebuild all the packages which are now broken.
[15:12] <shbrngdo> nodejs - highly overrated. my opinion? avoid it. Perl would be an improvement
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> I recommend BASIC.
[15:13] <chris_99> haha
[15:13] <shbrngdo> HP had a 'business BASIC' as I recall
[15:14] <shiftplusone> It is absolutely overrated. It's a way for web frontend developers to be able to do something more than just web frontends. What could possibly go wrong.
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> I've made a lot of money over the years with basic. works for me.
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[15:14] <chris_99> it does have a JIT going for it i guess
[15:14] <shbrngdo> so instead of loading zetabytes of scripting on every client, with a brittle infrastructure, you do it on the BACK end, too
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> nevermind. you know the average web page these days is more than the original DOOM CD ..
[15:15] <shbrngdo> heh
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[15:15] <shiftplusone> but that's fine, people can use whatever they want to use. I'm just not a fan of something I have 0 interest in being made my problem.
[15:15] <shbrngdo> ack
[15:17] <shbrngdo> I can't imagine the horror of being asked to maintain something so that nodejs can bind to it...
[15:18] <shbrngdo> it sounds so harmless... up front
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[15:19] <chris_99> What other server side languages used on the web commonly use a JIT interpreter out of interest, Java for one, but curious what else
[15:20] <shbrngdo> how many of them actually NEED that level of complexity?
[15:20] <shiftplusone> presumably .net?
[15:20] <chris_99> ah yeah good point shiftplusone
[15:20] <shbrngdo> working with microcontrollers and tiny systems like RPi, you get a certain mentality of how to make things work. What it is NOT: "JIT compilers"
[15:21] <chris_99> i can't see what's wrong with using JIT for performance
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[15:21] <shbrngdo> it's the NEED for it in the first place that demonstrates the level of wrongness
[15:22] <shbrngdo> "our bloated software is too big and runs too slow" - solution: eat up 10 times the RAM for it using a JIT COMPILER!!!
[15:22] <chris_99> huh
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[15:22] <shiftplusone> I don't really care what's happening on the backend, as long as it work for me as a user. It's a little strange to have desktop applications like vs code, atom and etcher using node
[15:22] <shiftplusone> and then you have a chromium instance for each application...
[15:22] <shbrngdo> it proves their authors have rectal cranial inversion
[15:22] <chris_99> not all JIT interpreters use a lot of RAM
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[15:23] <shiftplusone> Compare the size and memory usage of Etcher compared to win32diskimager
[15:23] <shbrngdo> chris_99 - an efficient solution wouldn't NEED the JIT compiler in the first place
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[15:24] <shbrngdo> back in the 90's there was this tendency to take a bunch of shared components that were available for download, slap them all together, and call it "an application". Often it involved Visual BASIC and OSX files (or whatever they were)
[15:25] <shbrngdo> I see 'nodejs' and similar strap-ons as basically being the same kind of *BAD* engineering
[15:25] <chris_99> i'm not really sure what you mean tbh, why can't using a small JIT interpreter be efficient
[15:26] <shbrngdo> why do you need it in the irst place? why not code in C and be done with it? Or use an efficient interpretive lingo
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> my BASIC has a sort of jit inside it, although that's just really a smart cache for the expression evaluator.
[15:26] <chris_99> for webbased things i can see the advantage of an interpretter
[15:26] <chris_99> and jit
[15:27] <shbrngdo> right, like scripting, Perl, PHP, etc.
[15:27] <shbrngdo> or Python even, if it's not abused like DJango does
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I don't think anything should have been shoved client-side at all, IMO. It makes the servers far too vulnerable to hacked clients.
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[15:28] <gordonDrogon> and so-much for the lightweight client thing....
[15:28] <chris_99> what do you mean by 'shoved client-side'?
[15:28] <shbrngdo> gordonDrogon - I wrote a thingy that's entirely server-side in PHP [mostly] with an external C utility, to solve puzzles for Final Fantasy XIII-2
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> shoved: download a tonne to 'script' to your pc then execute it on your pc and hope it does the right thing...
[15:29] <mlelstv> saves lots of server cpu cycles :)
[15:29] <shbrngdo> to manage the state I just use invisible controls. It's all POST transactions
[15:29] <chris_99> and you can mine BTC on the clients too then!
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> the issue then is that everyones PC does the same thing - which they don't - different OS, CPU, implementation, etc. )-/;
[15:29] <mlelstv> write once, let others debug everywhere
[15:29] <shbrngdo> yeah to save those server CPU cycles you literally steal bandwidth. Since I run NoScript 99% of the time, I can save bandwidth and recognize which sites are abusive like that
[15:29] <mlelstv> perfect web scaling
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[15:30] <stiv> "identical systems are not"
[15:30] <shbrngdo> it seems that a vast amount of scripting is not only unnecessary (use style sheets and HTML5 instead) but is tied in with spying and ads
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> bingo.
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[15:32] <shbrngdo> in my experiment for the FF13 calculator, it presents a calculator pad. The idea was to make it fit on a fondle-slab screen in 'landscape' orientation. unfortunately the slabs (running android) couldn't render the style sheet buttons. hmmph. otherwise, worked perfectly.
[15:32] <mlelstv> again a reason to deploy it to victim systems and leave the command-and-control server lean.
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> but then you get e.g. bank people who insist that forms be pre-filled in a web page and that the page does the validation - one thing that annoys me with my bank - they pre-fill an amount box to 0.00 - which I have to delete to put in e.g. 100.23
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[15:32] <shbrngdo> UI designers need to use their own UI.
[15:33] <shbrngdo> a good amount of development time, in my view, is actually USING what you develop, yourself. Play with it, hack it, try to break it.
[15:33] <mlelstv> nobody pays for that
[15:34] <shbrngdo> sometimes managers don't like seeing you have fun. I sit and watch the thing work, and find stuff. it prevents customers from finding it for you.
[15:34] <xaviergmail> gordonDrogon: Yeah I have a 100uf cap with a beefy enough 12v power supply. I already adjusted the chip's current draw. What do you mean by tying the microstepping pins? I'm only using it for full steps
[15:34] <shbrngdo> At one time I played videos over wifi to see if they distort, drop frames, etc.. It's a repeatable way of finding things. "at xx minutes in"
[15:35] <xaviergmail> I seem to be having a bigger issue where my pi isn't putting out any pwm signals though
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[15:36] <shbrngdo> the audio driver interferes with PWM. FYI.
[15:36] <shbrngdo> it's the same part of the chip responsible for both, even if videocore is doing it for you
[15:36] <mfa298> I'd be tempted to blame some of the newer ideas of project managemt for half the issues now, does it compile - ship it to live and we'll add what's broken to the fix list once 50% of our customers have complained about it
[15:36] <chris_99> shbrngdo: played with Zed etc. for web testing?
[15:36] <xaviergmail> How do I disable the audio driver?
[15:37] <mfa298> that seems to apply to sites, applications and some distros now
[15:37] <shbrngdo> chris_99 - don't know what zed is. but I'm not surprised. there are a zillion things out there. My experience shows me that learning one of those zillion things usually takes MORE time than if I wrote it myself or home-grew my own solution.
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[15:37] <mlelstv> don't use audio :)
[15:37] <xaviergmail> I'm not :P
[15:38] <xaviergmail> I did perhaps short something out earlier though
[15:38] <mlelstv> unfortunately you also must not use audio between boot and your use of PWM.
[15:38] <chris_99> shbrngdo: it's an intercepting web proxy, to fiddle with requests etc.
[15:38] <mlelstv> setting force_pwm_open=0 in config.txt helps
[15:38] <shbrngdo> well depending on where you're grabbing the PWM a short might not hurt it
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[15:39] <shbrngdo> mlelstv - that's a good point, the config.txt entry. is that documented anyplace?
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[15:39] <mlelstv> no idea.
[15:39] <xaviergmail> It wasn't a short with the pwm pin itself, I just jabbed my multimeter probe in like an idiot and the pi shut off lol
[15:39] <xaviergmail> into the 40 pin header*
[15:40] <shbrngdo> actually the only reliable place I'm aware of to grab the PWM signal is the audio output... there's one pin you can assign with an ALT config of some kind [forget what] but it's only one of the PWMs, channel 1 I think
[15:40] <mlelstv> that setting makes the firmware release the hardware when audio is done.
[15:40] <chris_99> there's PWM pins on the header
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[15:40] <shbrngdo> ah ok - so videocore doesn't cause problems
[15:41] <shbrngdo> I only found one of the PWM pins on the header...
[15:41] <mlelstv> there is one PWM hardware, it is usually routed to the audio output and can also be routed to the header pins.
[15:41] <mlelstv> both channels.
[15:44] <shbrngdo> you sure both channels?
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[15:45] <shbrngdo> I only see PWM1 on pin 45 which is wired to audio out [through stuff I think].
[15:45] <shbrngdo> https://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
[15:45] <shbrngdo> er GPIO45 I mean
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[15:45] <shbrngdo> 41 isn't surfaced at all
[15:46] <chris_99> https://pinout.xyz/#
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> xaviergmail, I think you need to tie them high or low - can't leave them floating.
[15:46] <shbrngdo> GPIO12/13 also not surfaced for PWM
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[15:47] <mlelstv> the two pwm channels can be routed to gpio18 and gpio19
[15:48] <shbrngdo> yes 18 is surfaced but 19 is not, at least not on any diagrams I have seen
[15:49] <mlelstv> also 12 and 13
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[15:50] <shbrngdo> ok 12 and 13 on the 40-pin header... these references are incomplete.
[15:51] <shbrngdo> it's really hard to find something that doesn't lie to you.
[15:51] <mlelstv> gpio18 -> pin12, gpio19 -> pin35, gpio12 -> pin32, gpio13 -> pin33
[15:51] <shbrngdo> 19 is surfaced? didn't see it
[15:51] <mlelstv> it usually acts as MISO
[15:52] <shbrngdo> I remember now. I've been working mostly with the old header. that's right.
[15:53] <shbrngdo> so on the PI1-B there's no channel 1, only channel 0 on 18 [I think that's right]
[15:53] <shbrngdo> yeah I've got scattered references for BCM pins and ALT stuff that I've had to look at a lot. but they're inconsistent. one of these references already led me to making a bad decision in an overlay file.
[15:54] <shbrngdo> and you'd think elinux.org would be reliable
[15:55] <shbrngdo> so anyway you'd really need an overlay to use PWM properly, and shut off the audio
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[15:55] * shbrngdo experimented with it long enough to confirm it was working in FreeBSD, submitted some modifications to the driver
[15:56] <shbrngdo> that was over a month ago and details leak out
[15:57] <shbrngdo> the FBSD driver had only one channel in it, probably because of the lying online references. I implemented the 2nd channel by replicating what the first channel did, more or less.
[15:57] <shbrngdo> but yeah over a month ago and so you brain dump everything to work on something else
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[15:58] <shbrngdo> so yeah you'd then create an overlay to use the IO pins you want, or use the audio output jack [whichever]
[15:58] <shbrngdo> anyway...
[15:59] <mlelstv> rpi1b has a small unpopulated 8pin header with gpio17,18,19,20.
[15:59] <shbrngdo> missed that also
[15:59] <shbrngdo> it just shows that the elinux.org resources need a really good "going over".
[15:59] <mlelstv> I guess few people still use rpi1b (or rpi1a).
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[16:00] <shbrngdo> I typically use these two: https://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals and https://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
[16:00] <shbrngdo> I've got an RPI1 - I use it to make sure things work on it, mostly
[16:01] <mlelstv> the first URL also references the "P5" header.
[16:01] <shbrngdo> yeah but it's all scattered / shotgunned all over the place
[16:01] <mlelstv> hmm.
[16:01] <mlelstv> there it says gpio28,29,30,31 :-|
[16:02] <shbrngdo> more errors?
[16:02] <shbrngdo> if there were "official" places to look for this, there'd be fewer problems.
[16:03] <shbrngdo> in any case the BCM 'alt' pin reference on elinux seems to be the best one, consistent with the tech manual for the BCM peripherals as far as I can tell
[16:05] <shiftplusone> what official info are you after?
[16:06] <shiftplusone> (because I am lazy and don't want to read the scrollback)
[16:07] <shbrngdo> GPIO pin and BCM 'alt' assignments cross-referenced, basically - which pins on the 40 pin header, etc. - official [not with the errors we're apparently seeing]
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[16:07] <shbrngdo> something you could use to construct overlays or assign 'alt' to the pin for, and know what's appearing on it, and which pin on the header it is
[16:07] <shiftplusone> the schematics should all have the pinout of the header. Then refer to page 102 of https://www.raspberrypi.org/app/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[16:08] <shbrngdo> yeah the official BCM peripherals doc. I've got that, but the point is, where online can you find a reliable source.
[16:08] <shbrngdo> something that dosn't require a lot of switching between documents and pages within documents to find what you need
[16:09] <shbrngdo> "refer to schematic" is painful. they're usually not laid out by software people, or those trying to make something that plugs into your device. hence, it's shotgunned
[16:09] <shiftplusone> oh no idea, I just look at pinout.xyz as a quick reference, but I don't think it has changes between revisions.
[16:10] <shbrngdo> I've seen what layout people do to my schematics. I write them a certain way so it's obvious what the circuit does. They "feel" that "something" and re-do it so I can't read my own @#$ design any more
[16:10] <shbrngdo> shiftplusone - no you're right, schematics should be a good reference. in all practicality, they're painful to use
[16:10] <shiftplusone> I think the channel rules have something in them about censored profanity.
[16:11] <shbrngdo> censored profanity?
[16:11] <shbrngdo> censored profanity is played for comedy. doesn't everyone know that?
[16:12] <shiftplusone> yeah, I don't make the rules.
[16:12] <shbrngdo> I've literally NEVER seen that.
[16:12] <shiftplusone> https://pinout.xyz/ actually does mention pins which have changed on different revisions
[16:13] <shiftplusone> not official, but a reliable reference
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[16:14] <shbrngdo> heh - what were we saying about rules?
[16:15] <shiftplusone> /topic
[16:16] <shbrngdo> not exactly what I meant there but ok... (does nobody get my jokes?)
[16:16] <shbrngdo> /joke
[16:16] <shbrngdo> heh
[16:16] <shbrngdo> (how did he do that???)
[16:17] <shbrngdo> /say /anything /that /starts /with /a /slash /using /say
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[16:18] <shiftplusone> slapping a space in front of it works just as well, but hey, I've learned something new.
[16:18] <shbrngdo> it's tricksy
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[16:20] <shbrngdo> reading the rules link: "please upgrade to a supported browser" ? [expletive deleted]
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[16:21] <shbrngdo> that's just B O G U S
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[16:21] <shbrngdo> looks like a google doc. seriously?
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[16:22] <shbrngdo> and here I was talking about the evils of client-side scripting earlier, in a discussion about web-based stuff
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[16:23] * shbrngdo points out that it's quite easy to set up a web site in git
[16:23] <shbrngdo> er, on github
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[16:28] <shbrngdo> shiftplusone - when I read that rules doc I see references to not using direct substitution into a profane word where you sub something for a vowel such that the actual word you refer to is still obvious
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[16:28] <shbrngdo> but as for substituting [profanity] @#$% or [censored] not a single mention (those are 'played for comedy' substitutions anyway)
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[16:30] <shbrngdo> heh but it was mildly amusing to do the Read The Fine Manual thing (even if it _IS_ a google doc)
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[16:57] <shiftplusone> yeah, just checked with the other ops and it seems like nobody else cares about that sort of thing either, the focus is more on the spirit of keep it family friendly.
[16:59] <Matt> "would this content be appropriate for a classroom" isn't a bad yardstick, given the lower age bracket for pi users
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> or how would I explain it to my 6 and 9 year old nieces when they visit ...
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> but hey ho.
[17:17] <TinkerTiger> Children are smarter than people think they are. The trick is to use ideas and words they are used to. No jargon!
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[17:22] <Khaytsus> I just lie to children.
[17:22] <Khaytsus> It's easier.
[17:22] <TinkerTiger> They will catch you in it and then kill you.
[17:23] <Khaytsus> I'm much bigger than they are.
[17:24] <TinkerTiger> They have more time to plan.
[17:24] * TinkerTiger grins.
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[17:25] <TinkerTiger> Khaytsus: So, found my easy wifi dongle and at first things were going smooth. After a few minutes it started exhibiting the same issues as on the ethernet. Soo, looks like my 1B+ has internal bus issues.
[17:25] <Khaytsus> 1B USB is pretty slow too
[17:26] <TinkerTiger> Oh, yeah. 1B, but that's not the issue. We're talking major networking issues. So, comm chipset is borked.
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[17:30] <TinkerTiger> So, I have three options. Give up on my project, buy a new 1B or makeshift a connection to another Pi without it being stacked on the GPIO. Hmmm.
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[17:34] <mfa298> if it's the 1B (only 2USB ports) then some of those had polyfuses on the USB ports which can cause issues with various USB devices.
[17:34] * TinkerTiger nods.
[17:34] <mfa298> 1B+ should be better for USB - I think the setup on them is very similar to the 2 and 3B (not 3B+)
[17:34] <TinkerTiger> Getting the same funky networking on the ehternet too.
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[17:35] <Khaytsus> TinkerTiger: No other pis? I somehow have two 3's, 3 2's, two 1's. I really have no idea where I got them.
[17:35] <TinkerTiger> mfa298: I have a HAT that only sits nice on the 1B though.
[17:35] <Khaytsus> Only Pi's I _remember_ buying are two Z W's
[17:36] <Khaytsus> Anything that fits on 1B should fit on 2, 3
[17:36] <Khaytsus> right?
[17:36] <TinkerTiger> Oh no, I have like 5 others, including two clones.
[17:36] <shiftplusone> pis are kind of like tribbles
[17:36] <mfa298> I think some of the 1Bs also had issues with the crystal for the USB chip (causing things to stop) and also a bad 1v8 connection to the USB chip (causing extra heating)
[17:36] <TinkerTiger> It's a smaller GPIO.
[17:36] <Khaytsus> shiftplusone: Agreed. Put two in a drawer and find four later
[17:37] <shiftplusone> I just counted 10 on my desk and I know I have more in drawers >.>
[17:37] <mfa298> if only you could put 3 1B's in a draw and come back to find they created a 3B
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[17:38] <TinkerTiger> I hear all the USB stuff but that's not completely my issue, unless the Ethernet is tied into the USB somehow.
[17:39] <akk> I wish my 0ws would multiply like that. I seem to have plenty of 1a and 1b.
[17:40] <mfa298> TinkerTiger: it is, the Ethernet comes off the USB hub chip.
[17:40] <TinkerTiger> mfa298: Ah-ha!
[17:41] <TinkerTiger> I was finally able to finish somedownloading I had been attempting. This is how wierd is it. Fail, fail, fail, work.
[17:41] <TinkerTiger> With a lot more fials.
[17:41] <TinkerTiger> Fails. Argh.
[17:42] <mfa298> the 1B used the LAN9512 which is efectively a 3 port hub + usb ethernet, 2 USB ports then appear on the board, the 3rd goes drives the ethernet - it's similar on all the Pi's but with different chips (9514 on 1B+/2/3B and something else on the 3B+)
[17:43] <mfa298> but the 1B polyfuses (if you have them) only affect the external usb ports (one per USB limiting current to about 100mA per port)
[17:43] <TinkerTiger> mfa298: Then, all the other USB stuff makes sense.
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[17:44] <TinkerTiger> This was the first pi I ever bought and I did make a data-wire error with a console cable. It has never been the same since but still worked.
[17:44] <Syliss> i remember the polyfuses being a pain since back feeding power to the pi over regular usb would pop them
[17:45] <Khaytsus> shiftplusone: I once was trying to figure out where all of mine where and came up with one I didn't know I had.
[17:45] <TinkerTiger> Are there any new Arduino HAT boards?
[17:49] <mfa298> the USB poly fuses are the large green things top right (under the LEDs) on https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Front_of_Raspberry_Pi.jpg later 1Bs changed then to just a short and then a later revision removed them totally. I think a couple of the common hacks were to either add a wire link to make them act in parallel or just remove them and bridge the gap with wire.
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[17:52] <Syliss> i was thinking of do that to mine but never did
[17:52] <Syliss> i really should log into mine when i get home
[17:54] <TinkerTiger> Okay, I guess this board becomes a classroom demo piece.
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[17:56] <xaviergmail> Hey how could you call a 'round' 40-pin header cable
[17:57] <TinkerTiger> mfa298: Thank you for the technical brief. I just need to decide how I'm going to 'deal' with the situation now. One maybe working mesh node is no help!
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[17:57] <xaviergmail> I got some flat ribbon cables to move it to a gpio breakout board further away from the Pi, but I only have flat ribbon cables.
[17:57] <TinkerTiger> For now, I need to (literally) go jump in a lake.
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[18:13] <t3k> hi guys
[18:13] <t3k> im interested in learning Pi, any advise?
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[18:13] <t3k> my end goal is to build small "portable services" such as DHCP servers, FTP servers, etc
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[18:16] <shiftplusone> what's your level of experience? Are you comfortable building software? Are you comfortable with the command line? Any experience with a distro like LFS, Gentoo or Arch?
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> t3k, it's just anothere small Linux system. If you can do Linux then you can do "Pi".
[18:17] <Khaytsus> ftp? Clearly not much experience.
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[18:17] <Khaytsus> ftp passes credientials in cleartext. Never, ever use ftp. for anything..
[18:17] <t3k> "new" to linux, got experiencing coding, Pascal and Objective-C
[18:18] <Khaytsus> Pascal. Wow. I did that in 1993.
[18:18] <t3k> what made you stop :p
[18:18] <leftyfb> Pascal made him stop :)
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> Khaytsus, give him a break. He wants to learn.
[18:18] <t3k> Khaytsus, im doing some Cisco security courses and i need to intetionally try to disrupt some network
[18:19] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: I'm picking, not trying to be a jerk... heh
[18:19] <t3k> i walked into a store, had a few magazines, but none were really for beginners, or no good info
[18:19] <mfa298> ftp has a few uses still - although for many things there are better solutions.
[18:19] <t3k> MagPi magazine was going on about something that i cant remember, and the other magazine was like a cookbook
[18:19] <t3k> but i want to learn the basics, understnad what im doing
[18:20] <t3k> any books out there for begginers?
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[18:20] <stevest> Sure. Anonymous FTP. And there are situations where you don't need to be worried about credential snooping.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> t3k, look for generic linux stuff - especially debian - e.g. the debian system admin guide, but you really need to get familiar with linux/unix first.
[18:20] <shiftplusone> I'd recommend getting what you want working in Raspbian first, then maybe Raspbian lite. The rest would kind of depend on what you want ou of it.
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[18:20] <stevest> But hey, lets not blockade your shitting on a newbie.
[18:21] <t3k> gordonDrogon, i got Kali on a stick, its part of my course, so im starting to use it slowly
[18:21] <t3k> does rapberry pi have its own coding language? or uses linux os on the board?
[18:22] <stevest> It's just a computer. It can run any OS that suppoerts it
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> and any language.
[18:22] <mfa298> I'm not sure if there's much in terms of beginners books for things like dhcp, and cisco security etc. although "Computer Networks" by Andrew Tanenbaum and "The DHCP Handbook" by Droms and Lemon are often seen as the bibles for network and DHCP
[18:22] <stevest> t3k: Windows, even: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot
[18:23] <stevest> Meh, this is probably a better link for that: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=55029
[18:23] <t3k> cool, i saw some circuit boards that connect to a switch, is on-off based or is there a language to code those boards?
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[18:23] <akk> t3k: Of course most people run raspbian which is based on debian linux.
[18:24] <akk> t3k: You can connect to hardware like switches in pretty much any programming language.
[18:24] <t3k> mfa298, im good with the network bit, im was asking beginner for pi
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> you can 'talk' to the gpio from any language that will run on the Pi from assembly language to basic to C, pascal, etc.
[18:25] <t3k> is there a language that is predominant in the community?
[18:25] <akk> python is probably the most popular, C and C++ are also popular
[18:25] <mfa298> python is probably the one usually suggested for beginners
[18:26] <t3k> ive been avoiding python all my life, time to get swifty
[18:26] <stevest> t3kThe same way there's no dominate language in the Thinkpad community, no.
[18:26] <mfa298> but if you're happier with something else then people use whatever they want (Basic, C, C++, Go, Node, Perl, Python, Ruby all get used and probably bunch of others)
[18:26] <t3k> ok guys thanks alot, this has helped me a lot
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[19:01] <dougquaid> I want to use this board to power a raspberry pi. Can I also connect the pi to any of the available pins on this device to monitor the battery level? https://www.adafruit.com/product/2465
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[19:04] <Syliss> thats cool, blarg on price, but im cheap af
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[19:05] <dougquaid> Syliss: I usually agree but with all the horror stories I've read about exploding lipo batteries I don't want to take any chances
[19:05] <Syliss> true
[19:06] <Syliss> i deal with lipos thanks to quadcopters
[19:06] <Syliss> so that would be nice to have tho
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[19:08] <Khaytsus> dougquaid: I wonder if the pi can know when that has power/does not have power so it could shut down on power loss
[19:09] <dougquaid> Yeah, that's pretty much what I want to do as well. I just don't understand this board and it's breakout pins well enough to know if it can supply the pi with that information
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[19:11] <Khaytsus> dougquaid: lbo drops when the battery is low, so there's that I guess. But, offhand, not seeing a way for the pi to know when there's no input power into it immediately (until the battery gets low)
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> dougquaid, I use exactly those boards to power some Pi Zero's.
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> dougquaid, not 100% sure they're up to powering a 3+ though.
[19:12] <dougquaid> does the 3+ take more than 1A?
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> the pi can monitor the low bat output and shut itself down, but I often don't bother.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I get about 7 hours on a Zero with a 2200mAh LiPo.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> the 3+ can take more - it will depend on what you're using on the gpio and usb.
[19:13] <dougquaid> So is the low bat output just a binary thing? I was hoping to get a percentage, but I guess that may be asking too much
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> yea, it goes low on low bat.
[19:13] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: I have a pi Z W in my car that basically just does gps track logging. I personally want it to power up when the car starts (accessory power) and shut down (cleanly) when the power goes off.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> Khaytsus, very good.
[19:14] <Khaytsus> Right now it just dumbly shuts off, because it's right on acc power. Eventually taht's going to bite me ;)
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> right.
[19:14] <Syliss> yeah gonna have a corrupt sd card
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> not neccessarily, but there is a chance.
[19:14] <Khaytsus> I'd love some minimal buffer. Enough time to shut down cleanly.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> Khaytsus, so .. just do it.
[19:15] <Khaytsus> I am logging data to the sdcard. Otherwise logs etc don't write to it. But yes, it'll eventually be a mess
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> or as you asking me how to do it?
[19:15] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: I've seen some schematics. Really don't mind bying something as long as it's not too expensive. I'd like to personally avoid lithium though since it is in the car.
[19:16] <Khaytsus> I almost bet a supercap would even have enough power, dunno
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> if you drive the car most days I'd simply power it directly of the main battery. expecially if it's a zero.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> you only need 30 seconds of power.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> or less.
[19:17] <Khaytsus> http://www.voc-electronics.com/a-36289459/power-batteries-adapters/pi-ups/
[19:17] <Khaytsus> This seems like what I want really
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> the buy it.
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[19:18] <Khaytsus> My car is extremely sensitive to power loss... anything I hook to it I get warnings if it detects 'abnormal' so I can't run anything off the battery directly
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> you tell the car it has a 3rd party alarm/tracker.
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> or you do this: Connect the 12v Aux to a 12v supercap via a suitable diode. Connect that to a 5v SMPS. Connect that to the Pi power. Take another feed from the 12v aux via voltage divider to take it to 3.3v. Feed that into Pi GPIO pin. Write code (2 lines of shell script) to monitor that line then immediately call halt when it goes low. Job done.
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[19:21] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: Yeah, I think it could be a very simple circuit. It only takes a second for it to halt.
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[19:24] <Syliss> i need to go thru my micro sd cards and see what i have. going to get one of my pi3's up and running
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/buttonBoot
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> I think that's redundant now as you can use a device tree overlay to do the same thing.
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[19:49] <pwillard> Where does a noob start if interested in how device tree overlay works?
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[21:06] <shauno> I can't believe python's so popular. it seems to actively resist you doing anything. I've spent a good 15+ minutes at this point just trying to figure out how to include a file from another directory
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[21:07] <chris_99> haha. i think you can fiddle with the path stuff to do that iirc
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[21:11] <shauno> I really wish I could just "import src/foo.py". apparently there's 101 ways to import a file, and none of them want to know what the file is called
[21:13] <Encrypt> What are you trying to do shauno?
[21:14] <shauno> in other languages I'm used to having one main file in the project root, and keeping all the random parts in a subdir. so all I want to do is be able to pull in those parts from that subdir
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[21:21] <akk> shauno: It's not really a common thing to do in python, but you can do something like sys.path.insert(1, os.path.join(sys.path[0], '../somewhere/else'))
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[21:21] <akk> before the import
[21:22] <Encrypt> shauno, Python3?
[21:22] <Encrypt> shauno, I guess you haven't created a package yet?
[21:22] <Encrypt> shauno, Can you try: import .src.foo
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[21:26] <cdevidal> Hey I have a Pi 0W running Raspbian Stretch and a second USB Wi-Fi adapter. When I boot everything is working. But when I /etc/init.d/networking restart I can no longer ping nodes on that network. "Association request to the driver failed" What is the preferred method of restarting the network?
[21:29] <cdevidal> Also tried sudo wpa_cli -i wlan1 reconfigure
[21:29] <norwood67> does you lose access to both?
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[21:34] <cdevidal_> norwood67: Only wlan1
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[21:34] <norwood67> with both running can you stop and start wlan1?
[21:34] <norwood67> ifconfig wlan1 down
[21:34] <norwood67> ifconfig wlan1 up
[21:34] <norwood67> add an sudo at the beginning
[21:35] <cdevidal_> norwood67: I can stop and start but then I can no longer reach nodes on that network
[21:35] <cdevidal_> norwood67: Smells like a bad adapter to be honest. Let me hunt around for another.
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[23:48] <sushi__> hello
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[23:49] <sushi__> just bought raspberry pi, was thinkig about installing arch linux or should i install raspbian since it's my first time using raspberry?
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[23:54] <artok> sushi__: depends on what you are doing. to easily get stuff working first, use raspbian
[23:55] <sushi__> i am planning to learn linux and programming first

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