#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-08-02

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[0:00] <X-M4ch1nA_> True, but most of the time, my pi will be portable, running via battery or powerbank
[0:02] <X-M4ch1nA_> When you male a power button, you write a short script that tells the gpio pins to short (for power down and power on). So I would just figuring I could do the same type of thing, but have it linked to a usb keyboard instead of hard wired
[0:02] <X-M4ch1nA_> *make
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[0:11] <chris_99> i'm confused, how can you short it and un-short it, during the time it's off, do you have some kind of system with a capacitor ?
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[0:16] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone have any experience figuring out which keymaps and such to use with localectl to get media keys and other keyboard extras working properly?
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[0:34] <on3pk> So, I installed Mono on a raspberry pi 2 B, then popped the MicroSD card into a RPi Zero W. Now, I get an illegal operation error. I'm guessing that's due to differing arm sets. Does Mono run on the Zero W?
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[0:42] <X-M4ch1nA_> chris_99: well technically, shorting it momentarily, (while either on, or off) causes a reset. The script tells it when button is pressed, to short those pins. But also adds the shutdown command in, so it stays halted. Then, by pushing the button again, you're manually causing that default restart short so it powers on. The pi NES prebuilt game systems use this basic script too, but they have a seperate button for
[0:42] <X-M4ch1nA_> reset. I found more advanced scripts to add time of press button, so you aren't accidently hitting it and powering down if mobile, so like a hold function. Haven't tried those yet.
[0:43] <chris_99> ah gotcha, interesting
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[0:50] <X-M4ch1nA_> I think a switch would be better tbh. Maybe it could be done without even changing the code, because both positions would either hold the short (the gpio only works for momentary press, so I don't think holding it in one direction, or the other, would change that basic short out trick) or initiate it. If anything, you'd have to add position of switch into the code, and just change the "off" to the script, and leave the
[0:50] <X-M4ch1nA_> "on" as nothing, causing the manual short
[0:51] <X-M4ch1nA_> I was going to dremmel a hole for my power button, but now that I think of a switch...
[0:54] <X-M4ch1nA_> Then last night, I accidentally came across a page, that shows a way to add something to you pi board to force true power down (Not halted, off, like being unplugged)
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[0:56] <chris_99> does that disconnect the power with some kind of transistor?
[0:56] <X-M4ch1nA_> Probably what you mentioned, a pi system with embedded capacitor
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[0:56] <X-M4ch1nA_> Or maybe a transistor
[0:56] <X-M4ch1nA_> Not sure now
[0:56] <chris_99> linky?
[0:57] <X-M4ch1nA_> Let me go see if I still have it up
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[1:12] <X-M4ch1nA_> chris_99: I can't find it.. But I was wrong about the pin numbers, it's gpio 1 and 3. Or 3 and any ground, but 1 and 3 are directly across from each other, so it makes more sense.
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[1:15] <X-M4ch1nA_> I l9kked at all my history and bookmarks, but I didn't bookmark that page, and I already passed it with all my other searches afterwards for what I was looking for.. I just tried to search and look again but can't find it.
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[1:28] <X-M4ch1nA_> chris_99: update: found this... "You can wire a switch between GPIO pins 5 and 6. Shorting those 2 pins together when the RPi is shut down will do a soft restart. The usual convention is to write a script that monitors pin 6 during run time and does an orderly shutdown. Pressing the button after shutdown will restart."
[1:29] <X-M4ch1nA_> Also a different link for hard shutdown with button here : https://pie.8bitjunkie.net/retropie-shutdown-and-startup-switch-the-easy-way
[1:29] <X-M4ch1nA_> Which is actually even easier than the method I found last night, I believe
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[1:56] <X-M4ch1nA_> And here's the way to do the button that turns off/on from Halted state: https://howchoo.com/g/mwnlytk3zmm/how-to-add-a-power-button-to-your-raspberry-pi
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[2:01] <X-M4ch1nA_> (I realize now, my quote earlier wasn't for hard shutdown. Pins 5 and 6 are gpio 3 and gnd. So that one was mentioning how to do what the 2nd link shows)
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[2:08] <X-M4ch1nA_> Well I suppose both links are the same...shit. link 1 is the same method, though not as up to date and thorough as the 2nd. So I suppose I didn't find it again afterall.. my baf
[2:08] <X-M4ch1nA_> *bad
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[3:10] <Shadow_7_> /1
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[4:43] <X-M4ch1nA_> Huh?
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[8:39] <jbmorris289> Welp. Last night, the power adapter I was using to power my Pi died....
[8:39] <jbmorris289> stopped giving any power for some reason
[8:42] <jbmorris289> the ONLY power adapter I could find in my house that actually supplied the adequate amount of power :/
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[8:49] <jbmorris289> gotta be aware of this now https://vgy.me/LWpSnd.png
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[8:55] <Lartza> jbmorris289, Aware?
[8:55] <jbmorris289> Okay, wrong word choice
[8:55] <Lartza> Well maybe not, just depends what you meant :P
[8:56] <jbmorris289> I mean just keep it in mind
[8:56] <Lartza> Right, you should never see that, ever
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[9:37] <acalycine> Hello.
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[9:38] <acalycine> I know transmitting a radio signal through an antenna connected to the GPIO board is possible, but I'm wondering if it's possible to receive a signal without buying a SDR tuner or something like that.
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[9:39] <chris_99> i'm pretty sure the answer to that is no. as there's no ADC on the Pi afaik. Have you seen rtlsdr sticks though?
[9:39] <chris_99> they're only £10
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[9:40] <mfa298> 1you can't directly recieve a radio signal on the pi (and probably shouldn't transmit either - its not designed for that)
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[9:41] <acalycine> yeah i was thinking of getting a dongle but wondered if there was a hacky way to do it with just a wire
[9:41] <mfa298> rtlsdr or a suitable radio module are the way to go for receiving
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[9:41] <acalycine> so it's not possible without a stick?
[9:44] <chris_99> You can transmit via laptops/desktops through AM interestingly, by twiddling the memory bus, not that you can choose the carrier though
[9:45] <mfa298> depending on what you want to receive you'll either need an rtlsdr stick or some radio receiver module
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[9:45] <acalycine> just want to receive 433mhz
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[9:45] <mfa298> if you want to transmit you should probably get a suitable radio module
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[9:46] <mfa298> in most place transmittin direct from the pi is illegal so could get you in trouble
[9:46] <acalycine> yeah transmitting isn't what i had in mind
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[9:47] <mfa298> for 433mhz tou might want to try some of the cheap rx/tx kits (i think there are some around that are around $1)
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[9:47] <mfa298> depends a bit what you want to pick up, but i think those can work with a lot of the power controllers, weather stsations etc.
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[9:48] <acalycine> so absolutely no way to do it without a stick due to the lack of an ADC?
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[9:48] <acalycine> and that's a hardware limitation
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[9:51] <chris_99> even with an adc you probably wouldn't get what you want, as you need a way to 'select' the band you recieve
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[9:53] <acalycine> the context is a home alarm system that is a bunch of motion sensors that communicate to a base station via some freq.
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[9:53] <acalycine> so i want to monitor the freq. from a pi
[9:53] <chris_99> what freq
[9:53] <acalycine> most likely 433
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[9:53] <chris_99> i'd definitely get an rtlsdr then
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[9:53] <acalycine> or 868 maybe
[9:54] <mfa298> rtlsdr is probably the best first step as you can see what sort of signal is being sent and what frequency.
[9:55] <acalycine> how expensive are they?
[9:55] <chris_99> £10
[9:55] <chris_99> or less
[9:55] <chris_99> there's a good channel on freenode for them too ;)
[9:55] <mfa298> then possibly find a suitable module for the frequency and modulation that's being used if you want to receive the data in a program
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[9:57] <acalycine> thanks heaps :D
[9:57] <acalycine> ill take a look at them
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[9:59] <chris_99> i'd probably ask what 'brand' / 'version' to get in #rtlsdr (if im recalling the channel correctly) as some have more stable clocks iirc
[10:00] <chris_99> and also SMA or something connectors
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[10:07] <brodelen123> hi all, i'm receiving a weird error but i can not google it since it has special characters
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[10:08] <brodelen123> guys what can i do if i'm getting this error?
[10:08] <brodelen123> sudo: error while loading shared libraries: ld-linux-armhn.s��3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[10:11] <mfa298> that sounds like you've either installed something that's not compatible with your pi or somethings got corrupted
[10:12] <brodelen123> i stupidly disable root account as well
[10:12] <brodelen123> sudo was my main command to run administration stuffs
[10:12] <brodelen123> thanks mfa298
[10:13] <mfa298> it might be time to start with a clean image maybe on a clean sd card
[10:14] <brodelen123> ok will do
[10:14] <mfa298> you could try using ldd to see what libraries sudo is using and work through the vaarious libraries and checking they're all suitable for your hardware. but that might be more trouble than its worth
[10:14] <brodelen123> something broke somewhere
[10:15] <brodelen123> the special characters just seems wrong
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[10:17] <mfa298> i would suspect something got corrupt in the filesystem. which is usually a sign of a bad sd card or bad psu
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[10:18] <brodelen123> thanks mfa298 on your input, will setup a new pi
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[12:14] <FionaBeautiful> hello from vienna, austria. i have a problem with usb boot / RAID1 and initramfs .. i declared the root device by the UUID of md0 in cmdline.txt, config.txt contains initramfs initrd.img-4.14.52-v7+ followkernel
[12:14] <FionaBeautiful> its a raspi modell 3
[12:15] <shiftplusone> How far does it get on boot?
[12:16] <FionaBeautiful> it loads everythimg .. but stalls unless i enter the sd card (/dev/mmcblk0p2
[12:16] <FionaBeautiful> blkid
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[12:16] <FionaBeautiful> dev/md0: UUID="3be4269a-d06f-4feb-b76c-2321cd606ec9" TYPE="ext4"
[12:17] <shiftplusone> At what point does it stall?
[12:18] <shiftplusone> and what's the full cmdline.txt in both cases?
[12:19] <FionaBeautiful> it stalls after detecting sda and sdb
[12:19] <FionaBeautiful> cat boot/cmdline.txt
[12:19] <FionaBeautiful> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=UUID=3be4269a-d06f-4feb-b76c-2321cd606ec9 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait rootdelay=5
[12:20] <shiftplusone> looks okay
[12:20] <shiftplusone> initramfs is definitely loading and being used?
[12:20] <FionaBeautiful> I don't understand why its working immediately after I insert the sd card
[12:21] <shiftplusone> If initramfs is working, shouldn't you be dropped into a recovery shell where you can investigate the problem in more detail?
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[12:21] <FionaBeautiful> i think so .. the sd card is unplugged at boot time .. but .. its difficult to say .. maybe its the kernel itself without initrd
[12:23] <FionaBeautiful> funny fact: it already worked sometimes ago .. but after a kernel ubgrade and tweaking around with sda1 and sda2 i deleted my existing config.txt and cmdline.txt
[12:23] <FionaBeautiful> and now im a little bit confused
[12:25] <FionaBeautiful> the problem: i can't put boot on a raid, since it has to be a bootable fat partition when i understood the boot process of the raspberry correctly
[12:25] <shiftplusone> Could you describe the problem in more detail? What's the sd card for? What's the partition layout of all devices? Which of those partitions are the boot files on?
[12:26] <shiftplusone> Do you want your boot files to be on the USB device or an SD card?
[12:26] <shiftplusone> *devices
[12:26] <FionaBeautiful> two external usb disks sda1, sdb1 .. /boot, fat partition
[12:26] <FionaBeautiful> sda2, sdb2: a raid 1 array
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[12:26] <FionaBeautiful> i want to boot without sdcard
[12:27] <FionaBeautiful> md0 = wxt4 partition
[12:27] <FionaBeautiful> md0 = ext4 partition
[12:27] <shiftplusone> is the sd card inserted when you're booting and the kernel runs and stalls?
[12:27] <FionaBeautiful> no, im booting without sdcard
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[12:28] <shiftplusone> ok, I think I understand the setup.
[12:28] <FionaBeautiful> then it stucks .. directly after detecting sda1 and sda2
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[12:28] <shiftplusone> sda1 and sdb2 have identical files boot files?
[12:28] <shiftplusone> *sda1 and sdb1
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[12:28] <BurtyB> FionaBeautiful, if you append "debug=1" to cmdline.txt you should be able to see the command and output it's running on the console in the initramfs which might help see what's going on
[12:28] <shiftplusone> *identical boot files... you get the idea.
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[12:29] <FionaBeautiful> yes sda1 and sdb1 are identical
[12:30] <shiftplusone> It sounds like maybe initramfs isn't being used, so it's sitting there waiting for a partition that doesn't exist. Do you have a serial capture of the boot output or at least a photo of what's on the screen when it stalls?
[12:31] <FionaBeautiful> im going to fetch it .. give me a minute please :)
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[12:44] <FionaBeautiful> https://drive.google.com/file/d/191hbi4QWQ9yMrLFb1WJfxF2R5fqc3wlz/view?usp=sharing
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[12:45] <Riiiis> heyo :-)
[12:45] <FionaBeautiful> herre is a picture .. this is the stall point
[12:45] <Riiiis> i would like to pull a pin just before shutdown in an rpi
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[12:45] <Riiiis> i can pull the pin via sysfs normally, without any problems
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[12:46] <Riiiis> but when systemd is half the way through shutting down the pi i have some issues..
[12:46] <FionaBeautiful> i would say its the kernel output .. and initrd.img is not loaded
[12:46] <Riiiis> i tried remounting / as rw and then mount /sys and then run my commands, but it didn't work :-/
[12:47] <Riiiis> im using a script in /lib/systemd/system-shutdown/ to do the deed
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[12:47] <FionaBeautiful> Riiiis: due to the fact a shutdown runs down your systemd list - why arent you using a service entry in combination with a gpio pin?
[12:48] <Riiiis> FionaBeautiful: hmm, i need it to be run as late as possible, since what the pin does, is cut the power to the board :-D
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[12:48] <FionaBeautiful> you have the systemd order
[12:49] <FionaBeautiful> plug it in somewhere in the begin of the boot process
[12:49] <Riiiis> how can i see the systemd order - i never really got to know systemd :-(
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[12:51] <FionaBeautiful> https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/systemd-boot-process/
[12:51] <Riiiis> thanks, ill look into it - but i still think my current way should be doable as well
[12:53] <FionaBeautiful> systemd-analyze blame
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[12:53] <FionaBeautiful> there you can see all running unists in boot order
[12:53] <shiftplusone> Riiiis: I think there's a proper driver to do exactly this to signify that the system has shut down for external circuits to act on the trigger.
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[12:53] <Riiiis> FionaBeautiful: dont have that on my system :-/
[12:54] <Riiiis> shiftplusone: ok, i don't know if it would work on this board, it's a custom one with a compute module on it
[12:54] <FionaBeautiful> dpkg -S /usr/bin/systemd-analyze
[12:54] <FionaBeautiful> systemd: /usr/bin/systemd-analyze
[12:54] <FionaBeautiful> you dont have systemd?
[12:54] <shiftplusone> Riiiis: no reason it shouldn't.
[12:54] <Riiiis> FionaBeautiful: sorry, can't install anything on the device
[12:54] <shiftplusone> Riiiis: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/overlays/README#L602
[12:55] <FionaBeautiful> are there some ideas on my boot initrd mess? :)
[12:55] <Riiiis> FionaBeautiful: i do have systemd
[12:55] <FionaBeautiful> then you have systemd-analyze too
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: that doesn't look like initramfs is being used. And why is it waiting for mmcblk rather than the UUID you entered?
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[12:56] <FionaBeautiful> thats a good question
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[12:56] <FionaBeautiful> i have no idea
[12:57] <shiftplusone> Double check your boot files cmdline.txt and config.txt in particular on all possible boot partitions
[12:57] <FionaBeautiful> i made a replicate with rsync
[12:58] <shiftplusone> It looks like they're not what you think they are.
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[13:11] <amigojapan> is there a way to get in touch with someone that is in change of the packages that get put into the menu? I made an app that could compete against scratch, so I would like it to go in the education prorgam section of raspbian if possible
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[13:14] <FionaBeautiful> ok, here are the two lines in config.txt
[13:14] <FionaBeautiful> # Der zu bootende kernel
[13:14] <FionaBeautiful> kernel=kernel7.img
[13:14] <FionaBeautiful> # Das zu verwendende RAMDISK Image
[13:14] <FionaBeautiful> initramfs initrd.img-4.14.52-v7+ followkernel
[13:14] <FionaBeautiful> ls -la /boot/initrd.img-4.14.52-v7+
[13:14] <FionaBeautiful> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7740581 Aug 2 08:10 /boot/initrd.img-4.14.52-v7+
[13:15] <FionaBeautiful> ls -la /boot/kernel7.img
[13:15] <FionaBeautiful> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4927984 Jul 3 15:01 /boot/kernel7.img
[13:16] <mfa298> amigojapan: I think the menus of things installed that you can run are normally handled by the software package installing itself in the menu (at least that's the standard linux way - I've not used a raspbian desktop in a while)
[13:16] <FionaBeautiful> cat /boot/cmdline.txt
[13:16] <FionaBeautiful> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 debug=1 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=UUID=3be4269a-d06f-4feb-b76c-2321cd606ec9 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait rootdelay=5
[13:16] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: what's the output of 'mount'?
[13:16] <FionaBeautiful> i just chrooted on the disk array
[13:16] <amigojapan> mfa298: ok, but someone must manage which packages get installed byd efault
[13:16] <FionaBeautiful> /dev/md0 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[13:17] <shiftplusone> amigojapan: that would be me.
[13:17] <shiftplusone> and Simon
[13:17] <FionaBeautiful> /dev/sda1 on /boot type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[13:17] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: it sounds like /boot isn't the boot partition, but actual files on your md0 filesystem.
[13:17] <shiftplusone> oh
[13:17] <shiftplusone> nvrm
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[13:18] <FionaBeautiful> boot=sd(a|b)1; root=/dev/md0
[13:18] <amigojapan> shiftplusone: hi, I have made a program simillar to scratch, but it does not need Flash, and it also can compile to javascript and it also has a terminal for input and output, do you think it can be considered? It works but it probably needs to be made more pertty than it is now
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[13:19] <shiftplusone> amigojapan: PM or email me the pitch and I'll pass it on to Simon and we'll go from there. To manage expectations, but answer is very unlikely to be 'sure'. Simon is very particular and it sounds like something Eben would need to be sold on as well.
[13:19] <shiftplusone> Do you have screenshots?
[13:20] <chris_99> does the latest scratch still use flash?
[13:20] <amigojapan> shiftplusone: I can make screen shots, tho the looks are not pretty yet
[13:20] <shiftplusone> chris_99: scratch2 does, but I think they're moving away from it for the next version. Idk what's the latest.
[13:21] <amigojapan> shiftplusone: I rather make a video presentation, I think that can explain it better
[13:21] <chris_99> oh hmm, i used something that i thought was based on it, called MBlock, for controlling a little robot, but that's a desktop program
[13:22] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: and yet... that cmdline is not the one that's being used.
[13:22] <FionaBeautiful> uname -a
[13:22] <FionaBeautiful> Linux raspberrypi 4.14.52-v7+ #1123 SMP Wed Jun 27 17:35:49 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
[13:22] <FionaBeautiful> shiftplusone: and why?
[13:22] <amigojapan> shiftplusone: I will get back to you soon with a video presentation
[13:22] <FionaBeautiful> there is no different cmdline somewhere else
[13:22] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: you said you chrooted... which might be the problem. if you have just chrooted, then you're not manipulating the real boot files.
[13:23] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: from your photo, you can see that it's reading a different root= parameter.
[13:23] <FionaBeautiful> yes, but why?
[13:23] <FionaBeautiful> does dpkg-reconfigure works aon raspberrypi-firmware?
[13:24] <FionaBeautiful> is it really a bootcode problem in the partition?
[13:24] <shiftplusone> I am not 100% sure what you mean by you've chrooted into it. If you did this: "sudo mount /dev/md0 blah; sudo chroot blah;" Then reference to /boot is the boot directory on the md0 partition rather than /dev/sd{a,b}1.
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[13:25] <FionaBeautiful> after mounting /dev/sda1 to /boot in the chroot environment this is not true anymore
[13:27] <shiftplusone> If you've done that, I think you're right. Since we're grasping at straws now, to simplify things, I'd not worry about md0 or chroot at all for now and just look directly at sda1 and sdb2.
[13:27] <shiftplusone> I need to get some work done at some point today, so I'll probably have to bow out now. I don't have any further ideas.
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[13:32] <FionaBeautiful> now I mounted sda1 to boot.EF7D-1BF1 and sdb1 to boot.F046-B2E0
[13:32] <FionaBeautiful> diff -rq /boot.EF7D-1BF1 /boot.F046-B2E0
[13:32] <FionaBeautiful> its identical
[13:34] <shiftplusone> and /boot.EF7D-1BF1/cmdline.txt is what you expect?
[13:34] <FionaBeautiful> cat boot.EF7D-1BF1/cmdline.txt
[13:34] <FionaBeautiful> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 debug=1 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=UUID=3be4269a-d06f-4feb-b76c-2321cd606ec9 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait rootdelay=5
[13:35] <shiftplusone> to be 100% sure... no SD card inserted at all when you power up the pi? No PXE boot set up? Absolutely nothing else?
[13:36] <FionaBeautiful> i just run dpkg-reconfigure raspberrypi-bootloader
[13:36] <shiftplusone> What do you expect that to do?
[13:36] <FionaBeautiful> definititely .. ok .. i reboot the pip
[13:36] <FionaBeautiful> brb
[13:37] <FionaBeautiful> ok .. removing the dscard
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[13:44] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: no difference?
[13:50] <FionaBeautiful> lol
[13:50] <FionaBeautiful> now its not booting anymore from USB directly
[13:51] <FionaBeautiful> it becomes worse each time i try something new :)
[13:52] <chris_99> random linux question, say you put a binary in /usr/local/bin/ i guess i can put a config file in /etc/ but where would you normally put files it creates, or is there no real path for those
[13:52] <kopper> chris_99: /tmp?
[13:54] <chris_99> sorry, not temporary files though
[13:54] <shiftplusone> chris_99: what kind of files?
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[13:54] <chris_99> i've got a program that creates a binary file with messagepack sensor data for example, it runs as a systemd service
[13:55] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: it actually sounds like progress, I'd rather see it failing to boot altogether than magically pulling out non-existant config files.
[13:55] <shiftplusone> At least it doesn't violate a general sense of consistent reality.... I don't like it when that happens.
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[13:55] <FionaBeautiful> the lfhs recommends putting the files to /var/local
[13:56] <FionaBeautiful> or to etc (depending if you run it on system level)
[13:56] <shiftplusone> I don't think /var/local is a thing. Do you have a reference for that? Did they add it?
[13:57] <Shadow_7_> If you're developing something than in $HOME/ is the proper place
[13:57] <chris_99> but it's a system service, hmm
[13:57] <Shadow_7_> If you're using others non-distro software, then the /usr/local/ equiv of /usr/ is the "proper" place
[13:57] <FionaBeautiful> /var/local
[13:57] <FionaBeautiful> Variable data for programs that are installed in /usr/local (i.e., programs that have been installed by the system administrator). Note that even locally installed programs should use the other /var directories if they are appropriate, e.g., /var/lock.
[13:57] <FionaBeautiful> https://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/var-fs.html
[13:57] <Shadow_7_> other wise the distro uses /usr/ by default
[13:58] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: thanks. Didn't see that.
[13:58] <chris_99> ah interesting FionaBeautiful
[13:58] <Shadow_7_> For the "few" things I install from non-distro sources I tend to use /usr/ since the default $PATH points there
[13:59] <Shadow_7_> Not that that is the proper way. There's things like "stow" that helps manage /usr/local/ things
[13:59] <Shadow_7_> But I've never used it
[13:59] <FionaBeautiful> i put everything to /opt
[13:59] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: do you have a spare usb stick? Could you flash normal raspbian lite on it and make sure USB boot, at least in principle, works?
[14:00] <Shadow_7_> I tend to favor $HOME/ since I rarely care ANYTHING about the distro in terms of copies and backups beyond $HOME/
[14:00] <FionaBeautiful> shiftplusone: it already worked, i just wrecked it :)
[14:01] <FionaBeautiful> Shadow_7_: sometimes its useful to have the binaries read only .. then /opt seems to be the right place for me
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[14:01] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: do you get the rainbow splash screen?
[14:01] <Shadow_7_> I'm the only "user" of my systems. So $HOME/ so I don't have to remember "where" I put stuff
[14:01] <FionaBeautiful> nope
[14:02] <FionaBeautiful> no rainbow
[14:02] <shiftplusone> Do the USB devices have an indicator LED showing they're being read?
[14:02] <FionaBeautiful> yeah .. they are .. both disks are spinning
[14:02] <FionaBeautiful> but thats all :)
[14:02] <shiftplusone> spinning just means powered though, no?
[14:02] <shiftplusone> not necessarily that stuff is being read.
[14:03] <Shadow_7_> spinning means larger capacity for cheaper and reliability. SSD stuff has limited use by design
[14:03] <Shadow_7_> spinning requires the hardware to fail
[14:03] <FionaBeautiful> ok .. retrying it from start .. vcgencmd otp_dump | grep 17: shows 17:3020000a .. this should be fine
[14:03] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: what model pi?
[14:04] <Shadow_7_> Which has potential to be fixed by frankensteining hardware
[14:04] <FionaBeautiful> lsblk
[14:04] <Shadow_7_> where SSD / flash stuff is done when it's done
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[14:06] <Shadow_7_> Although spinning does not travel well. Where SSD / flash could exist in vehicles and washing machines without degredation.
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[14:14] <FionaBeautiful> aha .. after running dpkg-reconfigure raspberrypi-bootloader .. im noticing that start*, fixup*, bootcode.bin and LICENCE.broadcom is missing
[14:14] <shiftplusone> You'd definitely need bootcode.bin and start.elf for anything to even start to happen
[14:14] <shiftplusone> you don't need to run dpkg-reconfigure, it shouldn't be doing anything useful.
[14:17] <FionaBeautiful> apt --reinstall install raspberrypi-bootloader should fix it
[14:18] <FionaBeautiful> ok, everything fine
[14:18] <FionaBeautiful> copiing it to sdb1
[14:20] <shiftplusone> and reinstall raspberrypi-kernel
[14:24] <Shadow_7_> Sounds like my debootstrap installs. Add kernel, set root password, install bootloader, make sure networking exists, and you're good to go. Finish the install in the install
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[14:25] <FionaBeautiful> reinsatlling kernel
[14:26] <FionaBeautiful> probably i forgot to mount sda1 and sdb1 in my last fixing attempt :)
[14:26] <FionaBeautiful> chroot quirx :)
[14:26] <FionaBeautiful> what are this diversions / overlays?
[14:27] <Shadow_7_> dpkg-divert... basically some files are provided by more than one package
[14:27] <FionaBeautiful> raspberry kernel patches?
[14:27] <shiftplusone> FionaBeautiful: dpkg fiddles with file permissions on install and since it's a fat32 system, it fails and the install falls over.
[14:27] <shiftplusone> the diversions are a way to work around that behaviour
[14:27] <shiftplusone> but the original purpose of dpkg-divert is as Shadow_7_ says.
[14:27] <FionaBeautiful> ok, but finaly i have to create a new initrd.img
[14:28] <FionaBeautiful> because i need the raid1 driver to mount the root sf
[14:28] <Shadow_7_> FionaBeautiful: dpkg-reconfigure can build that for you if you're not going full custom
[14:28] <FionaBeautiful> Shadow_7_, btw - i is a debootstrap installation :)
[14:28] <FionaBeautiful> i dont like raspian
[14:28] <shiftplusone> Shadow_7_: Raspbian is a little 'special' in that regard.
[14:28] <Shadow_7_> All my installs are debootstrap minimum installs
[14:29] <FionaBeautiful> same here
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[14:29] <Shadow_7_> I did a debian armel install by that route for my Pi B
[14:29] <FionaBeautiful> ever tried to boot RAID1 from external usb drives directly?
[14:29] <shiftplusone> dpkg-reconfigure, by default won't try to build initramfs.
[14:29] <FionaBeautiful> i have to
[14:29] <FionaBeautiful> or ill get the wrong file
[14:30] <Shadow_7_> Booting raid is an effort in futility IMO. Boot something else that mounts raid. Use multiple devices, but keep them simple
[14:30] <Shadow_7_> so recovery is simple
[14:31] <FionaBeautiful> update-initramfs -c -k 4.14.52-v7+
[14:31] <FionaBeautiful> the boot partitions are fat anyways
[14:32] <FionaBeautiful> argggll
[14:32] <FionaBeautiful> my config.txt and cmdline.txt is gone
[14:32] <FionaBeautiful> :)
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[14:41] <FionaBeautiful> ok .. giving it a new try
[14:43] <FionaBeautiful> worx!
[14:44] <shiftplusone> woo!
[14:44] <shiftplusone> If you ran into more problem, it would've kept me up at night.
[14:44] <shiftplusone> Don't forget to update initramfs every time there's a kernel update and adjust config.txt accordingly
[14:48] <Khaytsus> or boot off an sdcard
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[15:07] <Shadow_7_> I don't like raspbian, relative to debian. But having your touchscreen work out of the box has it's perks. Mostly I don't like nfs in the kernel os 2x more ps outputs for something I don't even use.
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[15:20] <BurtyB> seems such a little thing to dislike
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[15:27] <Khaytsus> I like raspbian because I'm lazy and everyone has pretty much solved everything I want to do with a pi and since they all use raspbian it's mostly copy and paste ;)
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[15:29] <chris_99> i like it because of the pi-gen thing too!
[15:29] <shiftplusone> chris_99: that's flattering. I wrote the thing and I hate it.
[15:30] <chris_99> haha
[15:30] <chris_99> its very handy though
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[15:31] <chris_99> what do you not like about it ?
[15:31] <shiftplusone> it does the job, but there's a lot I would like to improve, which would almost be a complete re-write. But I can't justify spending work time on it because... well, it doesn't job.
[15:32] <shiftplusone> I don't like that there's no real error recovery
[15:32] <shiftplusone> I don't like that I can't use it to build the x86 images without any changes
[15:32] <shiftplusone> I don't like that it doesn't fit nicely with CI systems.
[15:33] <shiftplusone> I don't like that it copies files around so much, I don't like some of the bugs... I could go on and on. In my head there's potential for something that works much better and is much simpler.
[15:34] <chris_99> heh. How would it work with CI systems out of interest, you mean to create an image, which is then used for CI stuff, or..?
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[15:36] <shiftplusone> I'd like it to have test cases to automatically check the functionality of pi-gen itself, to reduce the risk of introducing bugs with quick changes. And I'd like it to be able to build an image, perhaps in a container and be guaranteed to report when there's a problem and leave the system in a clean state
[15:37] <chris_99> ahh interesting
[15:40] <shiftplusone> In my mind, it should be a lot simpler than 100 scattered files. Jumping around between them isn't great. I like that it's modular, but that's probably too much. Maybe an editor to make it all easier would help. It should branch a qcow image instead of copying each stage. It should be able to branch the build proccess to build stages in parallel. For example, export stage2 while continuing to build stage 3.
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[15:48] <FionaBeautiful> ok .. looks good .. testing the fail scenario .. *smile*
[15:48] <FionaBeautiful> someone interested in building a redneck raid1? :)
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[15:50] <shiftplusone> What makes it redneck?
[15:51] <FionaBeautiful> funny fact .. it has a power failover :)
[15:51] <FionaBeautiful> its .. hmm .. lets name it .. very slow .. due to usb limitations
[15:52] <FionaBeautiful> df -h
[15:52] <FionaBeautiful> /dev/md0 1.4T 3.7G 1.3T 1% /
[15:52] <FionaBeautiful> /dev/sda1 200M 30M 171M 15% /boot.F046-B2E0
[15:52] <FionaBeautiful> /dev/sdb1 200M 30M 171M 15% /boot.EF7D-1BF1
[15:52] <shiftplusone> I don't see the problem. If you start writing now, you might fill it up in time for Christmas.
[15:52] <Lartza> Of course it's slow if it's on a Pi :P
[15:53] <FionaBeautiful> thats the disk layout
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[15:53] <Lartza> Not really sure why you'd raid on a Pi
[15:53] <Lartza> except for some laughts
[15:53] <Lartza> *laughs
[15:53] <shiftplusone> does /boot point somewhere sensible? Otherwise things will break the next time up upgrade
[15:53] <shiftplusone> *you upgrade
[15:54] <FionaBeautiful> nah, /boot is just used as original copy
[15:54] <FionaBeautiful> im using a shell script with rsync to keep sda1 and sda2 up2date
[15:54] <Khaytsus> I once took over a machine that was set up with raid. Just basically a desktop machine in small lab server use, that's fine. I go to look......... someone partitioned the same drive 5 times and used those for the raid.
[15:54] <Khaytsus> smh
[15:55] <shiftplusone> Khaytsus: that's fine. If the disk fails you can just cut out that part of the... okay maybe, not.
[15:55] <Khaytsus> Seems legit
[15:56] <FionaBeautiful> you can replace it on the fly
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[15:56] <Khaytsus> Maybe it was one raid device per physical platter. I could just replace a platter
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[15:56] <FionaBeautiful> and .. as said .. sice the discs are connected with an y cable .. you can remove the power source from the pi when the system is runnning
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[15:57] <FionaBeautiful> the pi runs then with disk power
[15:57] <FionaBeautiful> putting it on a power bank ..
[15:58] <FionaBeautiful> and you have a built in UPS
[15:58] * BurtyB did raid1 on mmcblk0 + mmcblk1 it was slow and for giggles only :)
[15:58] <FionaBeautiful> speed is much better than with an sdcard
[15:59] <Khaytsus> I saw someone once do a raid on a single card reader that exposed the individual cards as drives
[15:59] <Khaytsus> So they had a full sd, microsd, xc, cf
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[15:59] <Khaytsus> Clearly a "because I could" thing
[15:59] <shiftplusone> Hmm... trying to find out why a part of my code isn't running. There's just a random branch instruction in the disassembly that skips a whole block. =S
[16:00] <chris_99> haha Khaytsus
[16:00] <chris_99> i like the floppy disk raids
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[16:02] <FionaBeautiful> sync; dd if=/dev/zero of=test.tmp bs=500K count=1024
[16:02] <FionaBeautiful> 1024+0 records in
[16:02] <FionaBeautiful> 1024+0 records out
[16:02] <FionaBeautiful> 524288000 bytes (524 MB, 500 MiB) copied, 20.4684 s, 25.6 MB/s
[16:02] <FionaBeautiful> using sdcards you are somewhere around 15MB/s
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[16:03] <shiftplusone> 524288000 bytes (524 MB, 500 MiB) copied, 11.8095 s, 44.4 MB/s
[16:03] <shiftplusone> is yours halved because of the raid then?
[16:04] <FionaBeautiful> this should not be the case
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[16:05] <shiftplusone> hmm
[16:05] <FionaBeautiful> whats the output of hdparm -Tt /dev/<yourrootdev>?
[16:05] <shiftplusone> Ooh... the arm build server 524288000 bytes (524 MB, 500 MiB) copied, 0.992159 s, 528 MB/s... much better =)
[16:05] <FionaBeautiful> hdparm -Tt /dev/md0
[16:05] <FionaBeautiful> Timing cached reads: 994 MB in 2.00 seconds = 497.19 MB/sec
[16:05] <FionaBeautiful> Timing buffered disk reads: 96 MB in 3.05 seconds = 31.46 MB/sec
[16:05] <FionaBeautiful> root@raspberrypi:~#
[16:05] <BurtyB> if it's raid1 over usb it's going to be "half the speed" as it has to send to both disks
[16:06] <shiftplusone> Timing cached reads: 1422 MB in 2.00 seconds = 711.33 MB/sec
[16:06] <shiftplusone> Timing buffered disk reads: 96 MB in 3.01 seconds = 31.88 MB/sec
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[16:07] <FionaBeautiful> funny .. that much overhead makes no sense for me
[16:08] <FionaBeautiful> BurtyB: USB2 has a data mode i guess?
[16:08] <shiftplusone> Why not? How else would data get to both disks without being sent twice?
[16:08] <FionaBeautiful> transfering Data + TGT DEVICE ADDRESS
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[16:10] <shiftplusone> USB spec is smart enough to allow the same data to be sent to multiple devices at once? And all the drivers involved are smart enough to do it?
[16:11] <FionaBeautiful> i think this case is part of the specification
[16:11] <FionaBeautiful> i read about it a while ago
[16:12] <shiftplusone> nice
[16:13] <FionaBeautiful> Timing cached reads: 994 MB in 2.00 seconds = 497.19 MB/sec
[16:13] <FionaBeautiful> Timing buffered disk reads: 96 MB in 3.05 seconds = 31.46 MB/sec
[16:13] <FionaBeautiful> root@raspberrypi:~# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda1
[16:13] <FionaBeautiful> Timing cached reads: 314 MB in 2.00 seconds = 156.95 MB/sec
[16:13] <FionaBeautiful> Timing buffered disk reads: 96 MB in 3.03 seconds = 31.64 MB/sec
[16:13] <FionaBeautiful> obviously the driver supports this feature
[16:13] <FionaBeautiful> sda1 is a single partition on on drive
[16:13] * BurtyB doesn't rememebr seeing anything about usb 2 sending to multiple devices - is it a usb 3 thing?
[16:14] <FionaBeautiful> thats years ago for me when i read the specs
[16:15] <FionaBeautiful> sync; dd if=/dev/zero of=/boot.EF7D-1BF1/test.tmp bs=500K count=128
[16:15] <FionaBeautiful> 128+0 records in
[16:15] <FionaBeautiful> 128+0 records out
[16:15] <FionaBeautiful> 65536000 bytes (66 MB, 62 MiB) copied, 0.792864 s, 82.7 MB/s
[16:17] <FionaBeautiful> sync; dd if=/dev/zero of=test.tmp bs=500K count=128128+0 records in
[16:17] <FionaBeautiful> 128+0 records out
[16:17] <FionaBeautiful> 65536000 bytes (66 MB, 62 MiB) copied, 3.17977 s, 20.6 MB/s
[16:19] <amigojapan> shiftplusone: oh you are still online, I sent you the video presentation of my program by email :)
[16:20] <shiftplusone> amigojapan: yup, just saw the email. Will take a look at the video tomorrow. Thanks.
[16:20] <amigojapan> thank you shiftplusone
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[17:36] <xaviergmail> Plymouth is not an option as my app is ready when plymouth starts loading
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[18:14] <shiftplusone> xaviergmail: http://blog.fraggod.net/2015/11/28/raspberry-pi-early-boot-splash-logo-screen.html this doesn't look like the worst option.
[18:15] <shiftplusone> Although there's awful advice about adding "avoid_warnings=1"... don't do that
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[18:58] <chris_99> that's pretty handy
[18:58] <chris_99> i didn't know about the 'systemctl disable getty@tty1' thing too
[18:58] <chris_99> i did some weird hack to get rid of the login prompt
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[19:09] <xaviergmail> I can't disable getty@ttyX for some reason they keep coming back even if I blacklist them
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[19:09] <xaviergmail> also that's perfect shiftplusone thank you
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[20:54] <xaviergmail> So uh I may have driven 5v into a gpio pin
[20:55] <xaviergmail> or idk what I did, but gpio now supplies 5v instead of 3.3
[20:55] <xaviergmail> and after a while (or possibly another short) the usb ports are dead (keyboard no worky worky) and lights on etherhet switch don't light up
[20:55] <xaviergmail> Is it time for yet another pi?
[20:56] <Odd0002> does it boot?
[20:57] <xaviergmail> Yes it boots perfectly fine
[20:57] <Odd0002> hmm
[20:58] <Odd0002> you could try fixing it with a soldering iron and new components...
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[20:59] <xaviergmail> Which components would that be?
[20:59] <Odd0002> well you killed the USB controller
[20:59] <Odd0002> since ethernet is just ethernet to USB
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[21:00] <Odd0002> I don't know which part you'd need to replace, I haven't looked into the components myself
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[21:02] <Odd0002> maybe you just burnt a fuse
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[21:05] <Apocx> there a good alternative to minicom?
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[21:07] <Odd0002> so if you want you can go hunting to find the broken component, get a replacement for it, and replace it, or you can get a new pi
[21:07] <Stromeko> Apocx: Maybe picocom?
[21:09] <Apocx> actually found that just now :)
[21:09] <Apocx> it works but it keeps closing the terminal after a few seconds, trying to figure out how to stop that
[21:09] <Apocx> says Fatal: term closed
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[21:10] <chris_99> apparently screen can do serial stuff
[21:11] <Stromeko> Apocx: That would indicate that the device it's connected to goes away. What is that?
[21:12] <Apocx> yeah just tried screen too, but it also terminates after a few seconds
[21:12] <Apocx> I have a rpi hooked up to a atmega2560 via a hat
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[21:12] <Apocx> and they share uart
[21:12] <Apocx> right now the atmega is just printing a sentence every second
[21:13] <Apocx> but both picocom and screen close the connection after 5 - 6 seconds
[21:13] <Stromeko> You mean the UART is multiplexed between the two? If it's unexpectedly getting multiplexed to the other side while the terminal has the device open, things would look pretty much like you describe.
[21:14] <BurtyB> Apocx, if you're using raspian did you enable the uart and disable the getty running on it?
[21:14] <BurtyB> raspbian even
[21:14] <Stromeko> So, don't do that I suppose.
[21:15] <Apocx> enabled uart yes. I think I disabled getty? don't remember. I have tx on arduino going to rpi rx and vice versa
[21:15] <Stromeko> Make sure the serial is unused while you're connected to it.
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[21:15] <Stromeko> systemctl status … will tell you if you really did.
[21:17] <Stromeko> The other possiblity is that the Arduino sends a break, which would also close the terminal.
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[21:18] <Apocx> yeah getty was on. whoops. thanks for that. I set this pi up like a year ago I guess I never did that part
[21:18] <Apocx> hasn't d/ced in screen yet
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[21:19] <Apocx> yeah looks good now. thanks guys!
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[21:20] <Stromeko> Apocx: systemctl disable …
[21:20] <Stromeko> So that on next reboot you'll not have this problem again.
[21:20] <Apocx> yes I disabled it already and then stopped it
[21:21] <Apocx> thanks for the reminder though :)
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[23:27] <jbmorris289> Hmm, I might change the OS on my Pi to Ubuntu MATE
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[23:27] <jbmorris289> and yes, the Pi version
[23:29] <chris_99> how does that differ from ubuntu out of intereset
[23:29] <chris_99> *interest
[23:29] <chris_99> oh it uses a different DE?
[23:29] <jbmorris289> Yes
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[23:32] <arahael> Rotating a RPi's display is a bit clunky. And is in the opposite direction as macos!
[23:33] * arahael always found the macos rotation direction a bit weird, though.
[23:33] <arahael> Just started the Pi for the first time at home. Wow, it's fast. :)
[23:34] <arahael> Version 2.3, on teh splash screen - March something. I'm surprised how quick it loads.
[23:34] <Bitweasil> The 3B+? It's a solid little unit.
[23:34] <arahael> Yep, that.
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[23:36] <arahael> Will figure out how to change the settings later - eg, swap caps and ctrl, that sort of thing.
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[23:37] <arahael> Runs LXDE, I was expeccting something called "Pixel".
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[23:40] <arahael> Definitely a nice system.
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[23:42] <arahael> ARMv7? I thought it was an ARM8.
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[23:43] <chris_99> i think some of the pis are arm6 aren't they? and the 3 is arm7?
[23:43] <arahael> I think it's actually an ARMv8, but it's running in v7 mode.
[23:44] <chris_99> ah wait i think v7 is the intstruction set
[23:44] <chris_99> it may be called A8?
[23:44] <arahael> Ah, you're right, I think.
[23:44] <arahael> I'm probably mixing up the CPU's and their instruction sets.
[23:45] <chris_99> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/9912/how-do-i-tell-which-version-arm-cpu-on-my-pi is where i found that from
[23:45] <arahael> Yeah, I checked cpuinfo
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[23:45] <chris_99> ah whats that say
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[23:46] <arahael> 4 ARMv7 cores. :)
[23:46] <Bitweasil> Yeah, the 3B (not +) reports: "ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)"
[23:46] <arahael> Seems I'm using a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B Plus Rev 1.3
[23:47] <arahael> Bitweasil: Seems the plus also reports that exact CPU.
[23:47] <chris_99> thought this was amusing https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/
[23:47] <chris_99> is the difference with the b+ mainly the wifi chip?
[23:48] <Bitweasil> Given that it is the same CPU, just better thermals...
[23:48] <Bitweasil> (I think there might be a minor revision difference to reduce power output)
[23:48] <stevest> clocked higher too, i thought?
[23:48] <Bitweasil> But the 3B+ has the POE hat support, and far better heatsinking on the chip.
[23:48] <Bitweasil> Yeah.
[23:48] <Bitweasil> because it's got better thermals.
[23:48] <Bitweasil> The board substrate is thicker, and there's that metal cap that helps trasnfer heat.
[23:48] <Bitweasil> So the whole board is the heatsink instead of just the chip.
[23:48] <arahael> Doesn't have any headsinks, unless you're just talking about the chip construction.
[23:49] <arahael> The chip housing, rather.
[23:49] <Bitweasil> I think you can still throttle it if you whomp on it hard without a heatsink, but it's not nearly as bad as the 3B.
[23:49] <Bitweasil> Yeah, that metal cap helps bond the chip, thermally, to the ground planes and such.
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[23:49] <Bitweasil> Or somehow spreads heat around.
[23:49] <Bitweasil> It doesn't overheat nearly as badly as the 3B, so they can push the clocks ab it.
[23:50] <Bitweasil> I've got one, just haven't messed with it.
[23:51] <arahael> That's awesome.
[23:51] <arahael> I haven't much chance to mess with it this morning - got a busy start at work, but liking it so far.
[23:52] <Bitweasil> It's a bit limited if you try to do much with a browser unless you fix some settings.
[23:53] <arahael> will leave it idling all day. yeah, i intend to put a better browser on, surprised they default to chrome.
[23:53] <Bitweasil> Some guy wrote something up a while ago about using a SSD and btrfs, I think, and I've been using an external USB SSD and the swap settings from that post which seems to help a ton.
[23:53] <arahael> chromium, anyway.
[23:53] <Bitweasil> It's a heavy browser but it works well.
[23:53] <arahael> sure, but i want it to be quicker. will disable javascript too :)
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