#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-08-04

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[0:00] <darkdrgn2k> hahah yeh when in dobt raspi-config :)
[0:00] <chris_99> hehe
[0:01] <chris_99> there's two uarts interestingly but one is bound to some kind of system clock which fluctuates apparently
[0:02] <darkdrgn2k> so which one is the "good" one
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[0:03] <darkdrgn2k> and is it /dev/ttyS0 or AMA0
[0:03] <darkdrgn2k> S0 got it :)
[0:04] <chris_99> oh i'm sure you're using the right one, it's uart2 which is the other one i think
[0:05] <chris_99> working?
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[0:05] <darkdrgn2k> yeh
[0:05] <darkdrgn2k> S0
[0:05] <darkdrgn2k> :)
[0:05] <chris_99> sweet
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[0:23] <seek^126> i'm using a OS without raspi-config :> thats why i've had to edit the boot/config file^^
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[0:48] <on3pk> friendofafriend, only problem is that ssh timeouts while the process is still running
[0:49] <on3pk> it looks like there is a program that can generate data to keep it alive, though
[0:49] <friendofafriend> I guess chris_99 split, but he was recommending autossh for that issue.
[0:50] <on3pk> oh, sorry, I didn't see that
[0:50] <friendofafriend> So you could install it with a "sudo apt-get install autossh".
[0:51] <friendofafriend> And then just change that run script's command from "ssh" to "autossh".
[0:51] <friendofafriend> The flags should be the same.
[0:52] <on3pk> basically, yeah
[0:55] <on3pk> thanks for your help
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[0:56] <friendofafriend> You're welcome. Glad you're got the Pi doing what you want! :)
[0:56] <Lartza> friendofafriend, Doesn't ssh have keepalive though :/
[0:56] <friendofafriend> They're amazing devices for the price.
[0:56] <Lartza> Oh it restarts the whole process
[0:57] <on3pk> Yep, $35 and pretty powerful
[0:58] <on3pk> The Orange Pi is a little cheaper, too, but doesn't come with nearly as big of a community
[0:58] <friendofafriend> on3pk: Shipping is kind of high on the Raspi.
[0:58] <friendofafriend> I'm fond of the ODROIDs, would still like to use a Pine64 board.
[0:58] <Lartza> I wouldn't call the rpi powerful personally :P
[0:59] <friendofafriend> For your use case, the autossh command might be more like "autossh -M 0 -o "ServerAliveInterval 30" -o "ServerAliveCountMax 3" <your previous ssh stuff>"
[0:59] <friendofafriend> Lartza: Why not?
[0:59] <Khaytsus> Power is relative.
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[0:59] <Lartza> friendofafriend, Because it isn't really, maybe for the price it's fine but it's not exactly mindblowing or anything
[0:59] <on3pk> Target carries the RPi here in the states
[1:00] <on3pk> both in store and online Free shipping there is at $35 -- which is Rpi's price
[1:00] <friendofafriend> Lartza: The price to performance ratio is completely amazing, especially the Pi Zeroes. :)
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[1:01] <on3pk> Yeah, they're only $5. But only 1 core
[1:01] <Khaytsus> Price to performance doesn't make it powerful ;)
[1:01] <on3pk> well no one is running a super computer on raspberry pis
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[1:02] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: The Pi Zero is faster than all my OpenWRT routers, for example.
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[1:02] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: Again, relative ;)
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[1:04] <friendofafriend> The per core costs are incredibly cheap, for example.
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[1:05] <friendofafriend> In my use case, I can load the Pi comfortably and pipe the result to another machine for processing.
[1:06] <friendofafriend> (Which saves a lot of processing power on my x86 systems.)
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[1:07] <Khaytsus> Anything hte pi could do would be idle work for a real desktop machine heh
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[1:09] <friendofafriend> Not to blend our mutual channels, but I'm processing a lot of signals with GNURadio, and it's taxing on my poor little i7.
[1:10] <friendofafriend> So I do as much processing as I can with csdr, and pipe the rest someplace else. If the Raspi processor is sitting there, I can't stand it not being used.
[1:10] <seek^126> hm, anyone know why the image gets smaller if i use "-rot 90" with pi cam? if i use -hf or -vf the image "size/detail" stays the same
[1:11] <on3pk> Raspberry Pi's don't use a lot of power. 10watts? That's not much compared to a desktop pc.
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[1:23] <friendofafriend> on3pk: Right, 10W or so depending of the USB stuff attached.
[1:25] <friendofafriend> I love that I can use all these oodles of USB devices without my desktop running, just for starters. That alone is great.
[1:26] <friendofafriend> And I have a bunch of cheapo USB power banks that can keep a Pi Zero running for several hours with no sweat. I'd love to get a tiny LCD running on one and attach it to a keyboard, as a terminal. I don't need much.
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[1:45] <UFC> Hey is it possible to put an Android OS on a rpi 2?
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[1:52] <iKarith> UFC: probably.
[1:53] <iKarith> UFC: I don't know of anyone who's actually using Android on any version of the Pi though
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[2:01] <ArahaelPi> UFC: the correct answer to "is it possible..." is always "yes".
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[2:02] <ArahaelPi> UFC: a brief search for "installing android raspberrypi" shows a ton of quite promising results, though.
[2:03] <ArahaelPi> UFC: you will be quite constrained with memory though.
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[2:04] <ArahaelPi> most phones today are faster and have more memory than a pi.
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[2:14] <on3pk> But they're also not $35
[2:14] <on3pk> friendofafriend, it's still connected and forwarding things!
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[2:17] <friendofafriend> Hey, that's super cool! :D
[2:17] <friendofafriend> Did you try those additions to the autossh command?
[2:18] <friendofafriend> autossh -M 0 -o "ServerAliveInterval 30" -o "ServerAliveCountMax 3" <your previous ssh stuff> ?
[2:18] <BurtyB> friendofafriend, just don't connect too many usb devices otherwise your dreams may be broken :) (aka the pi only has 8 host channels)
[2:18] <on3pk> yes
[2:20] <friendofafriend> on3pk: Hey, cool! I'm glad you've got your Pi being a webserver through your VPS, all sekret squirrel.
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[2:22] <cdevidal> I have a Pi Zero W with an external USB adapter plugged in with an OTG adapter. It works fine until I run /etc/init.d/networking restart, and then I cannot ping any node on the network. I thought it was the hardware but I got a new adapter in the mail today and it does the same thing. What should I check?
[2:24] <BurtyB> first thing I'd check is for updates as that sounds like an old install
[2:24] <on3pk> friendofafriend, I'm hoping I can eventually shift more and more stuff to the pi :)
[2:25] <ArahaelPi> on3pk: actually, neither is the pi once you have a power supply, and an sdcard.
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[2:25] <on3pk> And, tbh, here's a phone thats only $10: https://shop.tracfone.com/shop/en/tracfonestore/phones/tf-zte-majesty-pro-plus-lte-reconditioned
[2:26] <friendofafriend> Yes, but its bootloader is locked.
[2:26] <ArahaelPi> thats... rediculoius!
[2:26] <on3pk> friendofafriend, Yep. So you gotta stick with whatever crappy bloat-ware TracFone decided to stick on it
[2:26] <on3pk> It's also sim locked so you can't just take it anywhere, either
[2:27] <cdevidal> BurtyB: It's pretty fresh but I am checking now
[2:27] <friendofafriend> Maybe you could post the contents of your /etc/dhcpcd.conf file to pastebin, cdevidal?
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[2:28] <cdevidal> Sure thing friendofafriend, one sec
[2:28] <BurtyB> cdevidal, what distro is it?
[2:28] <friendofafriend> on3pk: That used to be the case, regarding SIM locking. I think TracFone lost a court case over that.
[2:28] <cdevidal> BurtyB: Raspbian Stretch
[2:29] <friendofafriend> on3pk: https://www.tfwunlockpolicy.com
[2:30] <cdevidal> BurtyB: friendofafriend: https://pastebin.com/TSwjEm7T
[2:31] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: There's no entry for your eth0 device, so it's not getting an IP.
[2:31] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: The external USB device is wlan1 and it gets the fixed IP just fine at boot. I can ping stuff, apt-get update, everything. It's only when I restart networking.
[2:32] <cdevidal> BurtyB: Yep, no updates needed to be installed. It's fresh.
[2:33] <friendofafriend> Oh, it's an external wifi adapter, I see.
[2:33] <cdevidal> Yep
[2:33] <cdevidal> I just rebooted so it's working great
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[2:33] <cdevidal> If I ifup/down same thing
[2:33] <friendofafriend> Perfect, so what's in your routing table cdevidal?
[2:34] <friendofafriend> Can you post that to pastebin, maybe? While it's working?
[2:34] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: https://pastebin.com/fdmnwuiQ
[2:36] <friendofafriend> Hot diggity, so when you restart networking, does the routing table stay the same?
[2:37] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: I am 98% sure it does, I can test it now
[2:37] <cdevidal> But
[2:37] <cdevidal> Well, nevermind that But :)
[2:37] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Oh and by the way I don't lose connectivity on the onboard adapter. Only the external.
[2:38] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: no difference after restarting in the routing table. Still cannot ping the default gateway.
[2:40] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: Can you arp and see any other machines on that network?
[2:41] * d0rm0us3 suspects not
[2:41] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: I just rebooted and yes I can see the default GW in the arp table
[2:42] <d0rm0us3> cdevidal, that wasn't what he asked.
[2:42] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: The GW disappears from the arp table on restarting networking.
[2:42] <cdevidal> d0rm0us3: Please explain?
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[2:43] <d0rm0us3> He asked if you could see other machines on the network..
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[2:43] <axisys> my raspberrypi goes unresponsive after few hours until I reset the power.. any suggestion / workaround?
[2:43] <cdevidal> Default GW isn't a machine? It's a home router... Anyway, no other machines.
[2:43] <Shadow_7_> if there's filtering, it might be ignoring pings
[2:44] <cdevidal> d0rm0us3: friendofafriend: Here's the arp table after restarting networking and then ping the default GW: https://pastebin.com/8dVFEtEH
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[2:45] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_: No filtering. I can ping the GW all day before restarting networking. Nothing in iptables on the Pi.
[2:46] <cdevidal> axisys: Unresponsive in what way, not pingable, nothing on the video output when a keyboard is pressed?
[2:47] <axisys> ping and ssh ..
[2:47] <axisys> cdevidal: ^
[2:48] <cdevidal> axisys: What do you see on the video console when a keyboard is pressed?
[2:48] <axisys> cdevidal: i do not have any vga connected to it.. i am on it now ssh in
[2:48] <cdevidal> axisys: How about serial console?
[2:48] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: So, can you bring the network back with an ifdown/ifup on the problem interface?
[2:49] <axisys> too late now .. but last time I serial consoled in when this issue, i could not get any response on serial either ..
[2:49] <Shadow_7_> Any entry for gateway in /etc/network/interfaces?
[2:49] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Nope. Only a reboot.
[2:50] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_: Yep. https://pastebin.com/6RfUcys2
[2:51] <cdevidal> axisys: I would check to see if the entire Pi goes offline with either HDMI or serial, or if it's just networking, which could be something with the router or switch or cable
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[2:52] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: And the issue is with wlan1? Is wpa_supplicant still running?
[2:52] <cdevidal> axisys: Because unfortunately the issue is too vague at this stage to definitively pinpoint any one thing.
[2:52] <axisys> cdevidal: i will check again.. but it might be a going idle when no activity
[2:52] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Yes, wlan1 and wpa_supplicant is running
[2:52] <axisys> cdevidal: cuz serial was not responding .. last time
[2:53] <cdevidal> axisys: Okay how about heat, is it in a hot place?
[2:53] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: When you do a "dmesg|grep wlan1", what's your last message?
[2:54] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: [ 626.308615] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan1: link is not ready
[2:54] <axisys> cdevidal: nah.. in my living room.. and it 71 deg F here
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[2:55] <friendofafriend> axisys: Are you only powering the Raspi with your power supply, or do you have other devices connected by USB?
[2:55] <axisys> friendofafriend: just rasp
[2:56] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Maybe reinstall my OS?
[2:56] <axisys> all 4 raspi .. each has its power suplly
[2:56] <axisys> all 4 raspi .. each has its own power suplly
[2:56] <axisys> all of them stop responding..
[2:56] <axisys> i think ever since putting the latest image of raspian
[2:56] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: Can you try "/etc/init.d/networking stop ; /etc/init.d/networking start", please?
[2:57] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: In its currently not-working state, or would you like me to reboot first?
[2:57] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: As is, please.
[2:58] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: No gold
[2:58] <cdevidal> axisys: What modifications have you made to the OS, and does a fresh install do the same?
[2:58] <axisys> cdevidal: fresh install
[2:58] <cdevidal> axisys: That's very odd. Something like that would certainly have been reported by others.
[2:59] <cdevidal> if it were the OS
[2:59] <cdevidal> axisys: How about one of the alternative distros
[2:59] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: How about trying a "sudo service networking stop" followed by a "sudo service networking start"?
[2:59] <cdevidal> axisys: Or an older version
[2:59] <axisys> cdevidal: i will probably do that
[3:00] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: And if that gives no fortune, please try a "systemctl restart networking".
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[3:01] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Negative with either
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[3:03] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: (For what it's worth, "systemctl restart networking" is probably the proper way with systemd.)
[3:03] <friendofafriend> Maybe this, cdevidal. Could you restart to get networking functional, and then issue the "systemctl restart networking" command again?
[3:03] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Okii. Me and Linux go back to Red Hat 6. Not RHEL 6, Red Hat 6 ;-) Don't understand this systemctl stuff...
[3:03] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Trying now
[3:04] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: Back to the 5.x days of RedHat here, ol' MetroX.
[3:04] <Shadow_7_> might also try the ifup ifdown methods
[3:04] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_: Same diff
[3:05] <Shadow_7_> what does $(ip route show) say?
[3:05] <Syliss> ugh yeah cdevidal i hate that systemctl crap
[3:07] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_: https://pastebin.com/MdKhX2Ud
[3:07] <Shadow_7_> debian still has the service methods working
[3:07] <Shadow_7_> looks like the gateway is there
[3:08] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: No luck on the systemctl command
[3:08] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: That command causes the same issue?
[3:08] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_: Now after running systemctl command, ip route show: https://pastebin.com/UFExSwLA
[3:09] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: Same thing. I think before I waste anyone else's time any more I will just try a fresh install.
[3:09] <cdevidal> It could be some weird OS corruption or misconfig.
[3:09] <Shadow_7_> says the wifi is down
[3:10] <Shadow_7_> anything odd in rfkill? $(rfkill list)
[3:11] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_: That's a new command to me. https://pastebin.com/CaTjrrpy
[3:12] <Shadow_7_> looks okay there. My pocketchip defaults to blocked wifi / bluetooth
[3:13] <Shadow_7_> maybe something weird going on with dhcpcd or wpa_supplicant running more than once
[3:15] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_: Very well could be. I think I will just reinstall it. Pocketchip eh? I wish they hadn't gone out of business :)
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[3:17] <Shadow_7_> a reinstall would likely be the faster fix. Unless it's the OS issue and not your config
[3:17] <on3pk> friendofafriend, needs to be on the network for a full year before they'll unlock it
[3:17] <on3pk> that's forever in terms of mobile
[3:18] <lowkeycoat1> Can i hook my pi straight to my computer to setup first use?
[3:18] <cdevidal> Shadow_7_ friendofafriend BurtyB thank you for your help
[3:18] <cdevidal> lowkeycoat1: It could fry your USB port if you do
[3:19] <cdevidal> Needs a dedicated power adapter with enough amperage to support the peak currents
[3:19] <friendofafriend> lowkeycoat1: If you put the Raspberry Pi's SD card into your computer, you can change the way the Pi boots.
[3:20] <friendofafriend> lowkeycoat1: For example, an empty file called "ssh" on the boot partition will cause sshd to start.
[3:20] <friendofafriend> lowkeycoat1: You can also configure your wireless settings by putting a configuration file on that boot partition.
[3:21] <friendofafriend> on3pk: Even after they unlock it, you're still not getting an unlocked bootloader. Worse, you're probably getting some junky MediaTek processor with poor support.
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[3:22] <friendofafriend> on3pk: I really wish I could just collect cell phones and run Debian upon them, the landfill would be much lighter. ;|
[3:22] <on3pk> The specs say it's got a snapdragon on it
[3:23] <on3pk> Yes, there would be no e-waste if you could totally own a cell phone and not just license it
[3:24] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: I just put LineageOS on an old Galaxy S3, at least we have that...
[3:24] <cdevidal> Android Nougat, and because no bloatware it's snappy
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[3:25] <on3pk> apparently it's possible to do stuff, though: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/turn-android-device-web-server/
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[3:26] <swift110> hey
[3:26] <cdevidal> hey
[3:26] <friendofafriend> I've got LineageOS on an NVIDIA Shield portable, here. The "roth". I can get Debian up on it too, but it's not pretty.
[3:26] <friendofafriend> hey
[3:26] <axisys> friendofafriend: I like that pre-config all those .. is there a link where I can get more info on how setup wifi on the img and enable ssh and have all other config change made post install.. or may be boot pointing to a kickstart or preseed
[3:27] <friendofafriend> I used this as reference, axisys. https://www.losant.com/blog/getting-started-with-the-raspberry-pi-zero-w-without-a-monitor
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[3:27] <swift110> how are you cdevidal
[3:27] <axisys> friendofafriend: thank you.. i have no monitor .. so this will be real helpful..
[3:28] <friendofafriend> (It's aimed at the Pi Zero W, but any Pi should work the same.)
[3:28] <cdevidal> swift110: Much better than I deserve and you?
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[3:28] <friendofafriend> axisys: You are extremely welcome. Have fun, Pis are great. :)
[3:29] <axisys> friendofafriend: yep :-) thank you!
[3:29] <Odd0002> I keep forgetting to try to get XP on my pi
[3:30] <friendofafriend> Oh no! Windows XP, Odd0002?
[3:30] <Odd0002> yes
[3:30] <Odd0002> so I can then run crysis inside XP
[3:30] <Odd0002> hehehe
[3:30] <cdevidal> hehe
[3:30] <Odd0002> so I have the only pi in the world that can run Crysis
[3:31] <Odd0002> unfortunately qemu crashed in 32 bit mode when trying to install it
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[3:32] <swift110> cdevidal: eh I guess I could say the same but whats up with you
[3:32] <swift110> Odd0002: hey man how are you
[3:33] <cdevidal> swift110: Just finishing work, plinkin' on my RPi 0W
[3:33] <swift110> lol
[3:33] <swift110> cdevidal: oh thats awesome I have several of them but dont use them as of yet
[3:33] <cdevidal> swift110: What do you plan to do with yours
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[3:34] <Odd0002> swift110: I'm fine, how are you?
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[3:35] <swift110> cdevidal: well, one a mini desktop I suppose. I have five pi's so I have to find a use for the rest lol
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[3:36] <cdevidal> righteous.
[3:36] <swift110> was considering a weather station
[3:36] <cdevidal> good use
[3:36] <swift110> one to use with a camera for some cheap surveilance
[3:36] <swift110> knowing me I will come up with stuff
[3:37] <cdevidal> Pis are swiss army knives. Mine will be at the core of a chicken coop monitor product
[3:40] <swift110> pi zero w I presume
[3:40] <swift110> I am considering using one with a webcam to steam footage of my turtles
[3:41] <cdevidal> swift110: Yep
[3:41] <cdevidal> swift110: Yeah I will be adding cameras to the product so peeps can watch their peeps
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[3:41] <swift110> nice
[3:41] <swift110> I have a lot of books about the pi
[3:41] <swift110> so believe me there are plenty of things to do
[3:42] <cdevidal> thumbs up
[3:42] <swift110> 2 pi 3's 2 pi zeros and 1 pi zero w
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[3:42] <on3pk> I really don't know how Pi's are made so cheaply. $5 for something as useful as the Pi Zero W is amazing
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[3:43] <friendofafriend> Price fixing, on3pk. That's why you can't get 100 of them.
[3:44] <on3pk> Does the foundation let you buy in bulk direct from them?
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[3:44] <leftyfb> on3pk: the 0w is $10, not $5
[3:44] <swift110> it is amazing for sure
[3:44] <on3pk> You can get it for $5 at MicroCenter
[3:45] <swift110> such an impulse buy. but then you need the accessories for it which are more expensive than the pi
[3:46] <friendofafriend> swift110: But you decide what quality of parts to bring.
[3:46] <on3pk> Yeah, I guess that's how they get you
[3:46] <friendofafriend> No one's getting you, really. What's so great about the Zero is that you've probably got most of the stuff laying around.
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[3:47] <cdevidal> on3pk: It can be bought in bulk from places like PiShop.us, ask around on the forums
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[3:47] <ali1234> on3pk: foundation accepts bulk buys but you have to pay MORE than retail
[3:47] <on3pk> cdevidal, oh, I don't really need it in bulk, just curious really
[3:48] <cdevidal> Unfortunately I paid /more/ per unit when buying in bulk. They are trying to discourage scalpers, I believe.
[3:48] <friendofafriend> I've got these Kensington port replicators for laptops, they have ethernet, rs232, sound card, and three USB ports. I got those for like $7 each.
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[3:48] <ArahaelPi> cdevidal: Just to clarify, you're setting up a webcam so that people can check out the chicks? ;)
[3:48] <cdevidal> ArahaelPi: Something like that
[3:48] <on3pk> well I guess their mission is also to promote computing to people, not businesses. Maybe they're willing to do things at cost for just regular people
[3:48] <friendofafriend> What else is a cam for, ArahaelPi?
[3:48] <ArahaelPi> cdevidal: Dont' forget to call it chickcam. ;)
[3:48] <cdevidal> Hahaha
[3:49] <cdevidal> ArahaelPi: Yeah, Google that
[3:49] <ArahaelPi> cdevidal: Maybe later. :)
[3:49] <cdevidal> ArahaelPi: Hahaha
[3:49] <leftyfb> friendofafriend: got a link to that port replicator?
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[3:50] <leftyfb> on3pk: funny thing, I can't seem to find any pi0w on microcenters website other than the $13 version with preinstalled header
[3:50] <swift110> on3pk: yes you spend plenty of money for stuff
[3:50] <friendofafriend> Something like this, leftyfb. https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Port-Replicator-Expansion-Inspiron/dp/B0007KQL9W
[3:50] <on3pk> http://www.microcenter.com/product/486575/zero-w
[3:50] <on3pk> it's for pickup only so it's filtered out of their search results initially
[3:50] <leftyfb> Not that I need another pi. I've got about 10 zero/zero w's
[3:51] <leftyfb> ah, they've still got that deal. I thought it was only temporary
[3:51] <friendofafriend> The exact one I'm using is this. https://www.parts-people.com/index.php?action=item&id=4177
[3:51] <cdevidal> One can never have enough Pi
[3:51] <cdevidal> There's always room for more Pi
[3:51] <leftyfb> I've got more than I know what to do with
[3:51] <leftyfb> I have a box of 15 or so of the original B's
[3:51] <friendofafriend> Mine came with the power adapter, though. That link's doesn't.
[3:52] <on3pk> You can mine bitcoins. You won't get anything but you'll can look cool to people who don't know what bitcoin is
[3:52] <on3pk> *-can
[3:52] <leftyfb> on3pk: I actually want to but the pi's can't seem to handle my 9 ASIC's plugged into a usb3 hub
[3:53] <on3pk> Dang
[3:53] <leftyfb> I've got a NUC plugged into it now but would much rather prefer a pi
[3:53] <cdevidal> on3pk: But wouldn't the electricity cost outweigh any bitcoin mined?
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[3:54] <friendofafriend> I like the ODROID-XU4 for USB3, leftyfb.
[3:54] <leftyfb> no thanks
[3:54] <on3pk> cdevidal, I don't think you would get any money if you mined bitcoin on a Rpi. It would just be to say you're mining bitcoins on a raspberry pi
[3:54] <leftyfb> I am loyal to the raspberry pi
[3:54] <on3pk> Lots of fancy buzzwords there
[3:54] <cdevidal> on3pk: Okay just for the fun of it, gotcha
[3:55] <cdevidal> I mean, you could probably join a pool and get a few pennies out of it
[3:55] <cdevidal> After spending twelve dollars on electricity
[3:55] <leftyfb> you won't
[3:55] <friendofafriend> leftyfb: If there was a Pi with USB3, it would be the first thing I'd recommend.
[3:56] <leftyfb> even with my ASIC's, it will take 22 years to cash out the $0.45 I have mined that haven't cashed out yet
[3:56] <swift110> lol
[3:56] <on3pk> Well if you throw in more buzzwords, like an "arduino powered augmented reality cloud visualization" for your Raspberry Pi bitcoin miner you'll probably get a lot of VC funding
[3:56] <cdevidal> haha
[3:56] <friendofafriend> And truly there's no single-board computer without a debt to the Raspi. Gosh, just look at the form factor.
[3:57] <swift110> true
[3:59] <friendofafriend> "As @mmosta pointed out, the Raspberry Pi is heavily subsidised by sweetheart deals from their manufacturers and component vendors." From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12033475
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[4:00] <leftyfb> I love my pi's though
[4:00] <leftyfb> I just bought one of these https://www.tindie.com/products/Ampersand/game-boy-null-kit/
[4:01] <leftyfb> and one of these https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/nespi-case
[4:02] <leftyfb> and I need to make a nice case for my fruit piano pi utilizing the adafruit capacitive touch hat
[4:02] <friendofafriend> I like that Game Boy kit, if just to plug a keyboard into it and hack away.
[4:03] <friendofafriend> I've got an ILI9341 screen just like that! Thanks for the link, I'm going to grab their image and see how it works! Awesome! :D
[4:03] <on3pk> OrangePi's are $20 shipped from China. I gotta wonder if they're getting discounted SoCs too
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[4:04] <on3pk> They're using Allwinner's products, though, so cheaper to begin with
[4:04] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6jiwtyzitos0cr/2018-06-21%2019.18.42.jpg?dl=0
[4:04] <ArahaelPi> cdevidal: I've just been informed that I'm keeping a box of chicks in my apartment probably next weekend - or the weekend after. :/
[4:04] <leftyfb> look towards the center of the rack
[4:04] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzc6mv7l2jzyuni/2018-03-18%2014.16.43.jpg?dl=0
[4:04] <leftyfb> :)
[4:04] <leftyfb> love it
[4:04] <cdevidal> ArahaelPi: Keeping them in a box is a human rights violation
[4:05] <cdevidal> ArahaelPi: But if it's baby chickens, that's cool
[4:05] <ArahaelPi> cdevidal: Baby chickens. For the classroom, apparently.
[4:05] <on3pk> leftyfb, are those four RPis hooked up?
[4:05] <leftyfb> yep
[4:05] <ArahaelPi> cdevidal: But for obvious reasons they dont' want to leave them in the classroom over the weekend.
[4:05] <on3pk> Neat. What are you doing with them?
[4:06] <leftyfb> on3pk: each one serves a different purpose
[4:06] <friendofafriend> That's a friendly setup, leftyfb. If I had oodles of Raspis like you, I'd hang them off an ATX power supply and put them in a 4RU case.
[4:06] <Odd0002> is there an easy way to power a bunch of pi's on top of each other?
[4:06] <d0rm0us3> leftyfb, what kind of psu it that?
[4:06] <leftyfb> d0rm0us3: 12V 12W
[4:06] <on3pk> Also gotta ask what that switch is. Did you just disassemble one?
[4:07] <d0rm0us3> looks like something out of an ADDS2020
[4:07] <leftyfb> d0rm0us3: it was originally meant to power 5050 LED strips
[4:07] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: There's power input pins on the Pi, if you don't want to power by microUSB.
[4:07] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: You bypass the fuses, though, so it's smart to add your own fuse.
[4:07] <leftyfb> friendofafriend: if I had tasks for a bunch of pi's, I would hook up a bunch of them. But I don't really have a reason to
[4:07] <friendofafriend> Your ATX power supply might give 40A of 5V, it's high enough for a big pile of Pis.
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[4:08] <Odd0002> what sorts of screws fit in the pi's holes in the corners? I tried the smallest I could find from my PC and they were all too big
[4:08] <friendofafriend> leftyfb: I do a lot of software-defined radio stuff, and it scales well over lots of single-board computers.
[4:09] <leftyfb> Odd0002: M3's
[4:09] <Odd0002> SDR? how much is the hardware?
[4:09] <friendofafriend> You can get a good RTL-SDR for about $20, Odd0002.
[4:09] <leftyfb> http://www.bitscope.com/product/blade/
[4:10] <Odd0002> oh wow I thought it was at least $100
[4:10] <friendofafriend> There's lots of excellent SDRs around the $100 mark, like the ADALM-Pluto.
[4:10] <leftyfb> friendofafriend: what do you do with these SDR's?
[4:11] <Odd0002> can SDRs transmit or does the FCC not allow that?
[4:11] <friendofafriend> leftyfb: Listen to public safety, the HAM repeaters, weather radio, stuff like that.
[4:11] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: The FCC doesn't let you transmit, but the hardware is not a "transmitter", just "test equipment".
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[4:11] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: So the responsibility for not getting in trouble transmitting is on you.
[4:12] <Odd0002> ah
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[4:13] <Odd0002> so you could theoretically turn an SDR into a wifi router?
[4:13] <friendofafriend> I'm building up an antenna to try and receive the NOAA imaging satellites, so I can see weather patterns and such. Single-board computers run basically all of it.
[4:13] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: You could do that in practice, but the cost wouldn't make it terribly practical.
[4:13] <Odd0002> I know
[4:14] <Odd0002> how's the frequency range on SDRs?
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[4:15] <friendofafriend> There is a project that turns the Broadcom 802.11ac chip on the Pi3B+ into an SDR for wifi bands. https://github.com/seemoo-lab/mobisys2018_nexmon_software_defined_radio
[4:16] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: The range of a normal radio is the range on an SDR. I was working for a commercial AM station, a gent from Norway sent a reception report from his Perseus SDR.
[4:16] <Odd0002> I meant the range of frequencies you can tune to
[4:17] <Odd0002> low end = ? 100 khz? 1 mhz?
[4:17] <Odd0002> etc etc
[4:17] <friendofafriend> Ah! Sorry. From DC (0MHz) to around 1.6GHz on the RTL-SDR. My HackRF is from 1MHz-6GHz.
[4:18] <friendofafriend> Some SDRs are better for lower frequencies, like the KiwiSDR.
[4:19] <Odd0002> wow that's a pretty wide range
[4:19] <friendofafriend> How well you receive your signals of interest will depend on proper antennas and filters.
[4:20] <brianx> and there are downconverters that will reduce the frequency of higher frequency signals
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[4:20] <friendofafriend> brianx: And upconverters that will increase the frequency, for receiving AM stations and such.
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[4:21] <friendofafriend> And I'm sure most everyone is familiar with the rpitx project which uses GPIO 4 to transmit signals with your Raspi. https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx
[4:22] <friendofafriend> (Which you should certainly filter, or you'll find yourself in hot water.)
[4:22] <ArahaelPi> The midori browser seems quite good.
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[4:24] <Odd0002> I've never heard of that, friendofafriend, what do you mean I should filter it?
[4:25] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: The signal that comes from GPIO has harmonics where you don't intend to transmit that can be very powerful.
[4:25] <Odd0002> hmm even if I don't attach an antenna?
[4:25] <Odd0002> or wire?
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[4:26] <friendofafriend> Leaving the antenna detached will reduce the range, but the harmonics are still there in the same ratio.
[4:27] <Odd0002> how big of a problem will that be though?
[4:28] <friendofafriend> If you're broadcasting at 96.5MHz, for example, you'll also see signals at 193MHz (x2), 289.5MHz (x3), 386MHz (x4), and so on.
[4:29] <Odd0002> ah
[4:29] <friendofafriend> And they'll interfere with whatever's there and in range. The 4th harmonic around here of 96.5MHz would interfere with a Department of Defense network.
[4:30] <d0rm0us3> Couldn't antenna design suppress the heck out of the harmonics?
[4:30] <friendofafriend> You'll find some hats that are designed to stop this, for example: http://rfsparkling.com/qrpi/
[4:31] <Odd0002> how did I never hear about this...
[4:31] <friendofafriend> So that hat is designed to allow power out around 14MHz (for HAMs) and block all the harmonics.
[4:32] <on3pk> On a scale of 1-10, how many years in jail will you get for interfering with a DoD network?
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[4:33] <friendofafriend> d0rm0us3: You'd have some problems still, as a 1/2 wave antenna would be a 1/4 wave for your harmonic.
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[4:33] <ArahaelPi> on3pk: Not sure, but they'd be in addition to any penalties for using a frequency range without a license.
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[4:34] <friendofafriend> on3pk: It really depends. They'd have to figure it out and actually catch you, which might take a little while.
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[4:36] <on3pk> True
[4:37] <friendofafriend> But if you've already got a Raspberry Pi, you basically already have a software-defined radio transmitter. You just need to add filtering and an antenna.
[4:37] <on3pk> Y'know what else people can't get enough of? MicroSD cards.
[4:37] <friendofafriend> Pffft, tell me about it. I've got need for at least six.
[4:38] <on3pk> They're like freaking chiclets. $10 a piece Chiclets
[4:38] <friendofafriend> You can save a little in a five pack, on3pk. https://www.amazon.com/PACK-MicroSDHC-TransFlash-SDSDQUAN-016G-M-B16U-RTx5-550/dp/B00TUEC6CC
[4:39] <on3pk> Yeah, I tend to buy one at a time, though.
[4:39] <ArahaelPi> on3pk: It's insane how much data they store, though.
[4:39] <on3pk> I hate all the scammers out there that sell fake microsd cards
[4:40] <friendofafriend> You could stuff several terabytes in your right nostril, these days.
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[4:41] <friendofafriend> I'm over the moon about a new Raspberry Pi 3B+ coming my way, so I'll try for PXE booting to get around all those SD cards.
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[4:41] <on3pk> You could probably store every book written before 1900 or so on a MicroSD card
[4:41] <ArahaelPi> friendofafriend: I have a RPi3B+ :)
[4:42] <friendofafriend> You can use a very small microSD and then NFS mount all your other partitons.
[4:42] <friendofafriend> ArahaelPi: Have you tried PXE booting it?
[4:42] <ArahaelPi> friendofafriend: No. It's my only linux "desktop" at presenet, and is a vast improvement over my current Atom "server".
[4:42] <ArahaelPi> finalbeta: Two macbookpro's though.
[4:43] <on3pk> You're using a RPi3B+ as a desktop pc?
[4:43] <ArahaelPi> on3pk: Indeed.
[4:43] <Odd0002> raspbian?
[4:43] <friendofafriend> They're nice machines, really. Have you tried out 5GHz wifi?
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[4:44] <ArahaelPi> Odd0002: Indeed.
[4:44] <ArahaelPi> friendofafriend: I'm only using wifi.
[4:44] <Odd0002> ok
[4:45] <Odd0002> I'm using the gentoo 64 bit image but it's way slower in some respects than raspbian
[4:45] <on3pk> I ended up doing something like that with an Orange PI. not as powerful but still let me watch videos... which is all I seem to do these days
[4:45] <ArahaelPi> I mainly seem to IRC, and browser the internet.
[4:45] <ArahaelPi> Considered doing haskell stack dev, but I think it's way too underpowered for that, so will stick to the macbooks for those.
[4:47] <friendofafriend> I like to have three or more heads on my desktop, but I don't need much CPU or GPU.
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[4:50] <Odd0002> wow friendofafriend I didn't know you were a hunter
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[4:53] <friendofafriend> Odd0002: Trapper. Want to come by for coffee, sometime?
[4:53] <Odd0002> nah, I don't drink coffee
[4:54] <Odd0002> I prefer covefe
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[4:54] <Odd0002> hehe
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[5:36] <ArahaelPi> Seriously confused. I'm trying to setup a static dhcp lease, using the rpi's wifi mac address. But I don't see the rpi's DHCPREQUEST in the dhcp server's logs.
[5:37] <ArahaelPi> ANd it's not getting the static ip it needs. Even if I explicitly do `sudo dhclient -r`, it doesn't have any impact.
[5:37] <ArahaelPi> I thought, maybe i have two dhcp servers running - wierder things have happened. But even if I do dhclient -r -s, it still doesn't show up.
[5:38] <ArahaelPi> ( is the server that runs isc-dhcp-server.)
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[5:38] <ArahaelPi> All my other devices renew their leases just fine.
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[5:46] <arahael> Aaand now it's broken. It's like the dhcp client setup is just weird on teh RPi.
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[5:48] <arahael> Yep, rebooted. ANd it persisted with it's old ip address without re-querying the dhcp server for it.
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[5:51] <arahael> Well, manually running 'sudo dhclient -v wlan0' seems to finally work, after the reboot.
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[5:59] <arahael> All good now. :) The Pi-Hole is now in effect.
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[6:03] <norwood67> nice
[6:04] <norwood67> pi-hole is awesome
[6:05] <ArahaelPi> Yep. Now looking for telegram, not sure I can get that on the RPi.
[6:05] <ArahaelPi> And thinking about lunch. :/
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[6:19] <ArahaelPi> Hmm. Now wondering how to flip the mouse scrolling.
[6:19] <ArahaelPi> I keep scrolling the wrong way!
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[6:33] <friendofafriend> Pihole is a so perfect for the Raspi, routers running OpenWRT usually don't have enough memory to hold large blocklists.
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[6:55] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: BurtyB: Shadow_7_: Reinstalled the OS and now I can restart networking, even using the old init.d script :)
[6:56] <friendofafriend> cdevidal: I'm sure glad it works. What a strange problem.
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[6:56] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: I think there was some conf I missed. Earlier this year I was dinking with the onboard NIC trying to get it to be both AP and client to the outside world. It worked, but when I undid it I must have missed something.
[6:57] <cdevidal> Now if I could just get the Pi to recognize the DHCP reservation on the router...
[6:58] <friendofafriend> I saw that hostapd reference in your config files. Sounds like you have some fun ahead of you!
[6:58] <friendofafriend> I've run OpenWRT on a Raspi B before, not tried on a Pi Zero W yet.
[6:58] <cdevidal> This handy guide got me there with a more standard configuration on the OS rebuild :) https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/access-point.md
[7:00] <friendofafriend> How's the throughput using that Zero W's radio as an AP? Decent?
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[7:02] <cdevidal> friendofafriend: I haven't pushed it any. Just using it to config the Wi-Fi via a phone.
[7:05] <friendofafriend> I'm quite eager to try the radio on a Raspi 3 B+ as an AP.
[7:06] <friendofafriend> There's PXE booting on the Pi3, so I think OpenWRT would make for a nice fit because the install is so small.
[7:07] <cdevidal> You know it would. I want a 3B+ for the car... The new minivan has both power sockets and a video in port in the rear seat, so the kiddos can RetroPie while scooting down the interstate at 70mph :)
[7:08] <friendofafriend> That's a very nice solution! I worked with a FM radio module that the Pi can control by GPIO, and I think it did RDS also.
[7:08] <cdevidal> Got it working on one of my Pi 0Ws then Awe crap! No easily-accessible audio/video out. I could solder one together for the GPIOs but I don't feel like it...
[7:09] <friendofafriend> What kind of video in for the back seat?
[7:09] <cdevidal> RCA
[7:09] <friendofafriend> You can solder a header on for composite out.
[7:09] <cdevidal> So it's an easy solder but I just don't feel up to that game right now
[7:09] <cdevidal> Yeah, and don't forget the audio
[7:09] <cdevidal> A couple caps, breadboard... I just would rather buy something than fool with it
[7:10] <swift110> hmm
[7:10] <friendofafriend> For audio? This is spendy, but I guess it's the right idea. https://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Extractor-Optical-Toslink-Converter/dp/B00KBHX072
[7:10] <cdevidal> I tend to have a nasty habit of soldering things wrong and making a big mess and lose time and frustration
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[7:11] <cdevidal> Yeah I saw that :) And maybe I'll just break down and go with the solder option... should only take an hour... or five...
[7:11] <cdevidal> https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-zero/audio-outputs
[7:12] <friendofafriend> To solder in some pin headers? Ah, you can knock it out in five minutes I bet.
[7:12] <cdevidal> No more than pin headers. See the above.
[7:12] <friendofafriend> Oh, I see. Is there a hat for it, yet?
[7:12] <cdevidal> It's probably an hour project I just am not up to it right now. A lot of stress trying to get this product to market
[7:12] <cdevidal> Yep there is a hat, about $20...
[7:13] <friendofafriend> Ugh, you can get a lot of USB sound card for that price.
[7:13] <cdevidal> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3016
[7:13] <cdevidal> Yah and if I am doing USB audio there goes one of the USB ports for a controller
[7:13] <cdevidal> I mean, on a hub
[7:14] <cdevidal> I looked at it from several directions, decided the best way to do it is solder a small board, which I'm just not up to right now, so one day I'll either do it or buy a 3B+
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[7:14] <friendofafriend> The USB hub hat for the Pi Zero isn't so bad, $10. https://makerspot.com/stackable-usb-hub-for-raspberry-pi-zero/
[7:14] <cdevidal> Oh I have a few hubs already. Anyway the kiddos don't know they're missing out. They're just happy right now to have a DVD in the car.
[7:15] <cdevidal> So there is time to do it right
[7:16] <friendofafriend> You've got OBD2 on your van, I'd imagine?
[7:17] <friendofafriend> It's a great way to get a tachometer, if you don't have one already.
[7:17] <cdevidal> Yah but sticking anything on the port causes it to bump out so far it interferes. Oh yes I have a tach.
[7:18] <friendofafriend> Awwww, that's the pits.
[7:18] <cdevidal> Already have one of those cheap BTooth OBD adapters but can't leave it on as it gets in the way
[7:19] <cdevidal> Hmm this looks interesting. Low profile OBD plug. https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-5-Universal-OBD2-OBDII-Car-GPS-HUD-Head-Up-Display-Overspeed-Warning-System/142798152583?epid=6010610145&hash=item213f6ee387%3Ag%3AbAYAAOSw3mFa~UPY&_sacat=0&_nkw=heads+up+display&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311.R1.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xheads+up+dis.TRS0
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[7:20] <X-M4ch1nA_> So I've never used the debian based email system. I tried adding to a script today that emails an outputted .txt. the examples online said "mail -s ("subject") -A (attatchment) me@email.com". I also saw "mailx" with similar options, so I used man on both mail, and nails, and it says use "mail.mailutils". I tried all 3 with the same options. It seemed to work, but I never received email. Any help would be appreciated
[7:21] <X-M4ch1nA_> Do I need to set email up prior? I noticed an option "-r" to "send as", so it seems I don't have to actually make an email addr
[7:21] <cdevidal> X-M4ch1nA_: Are you emailing a server outside your home network?
[7:21] <X-M4ch1nA_> Yes
[7:22] <cdevidal> X-M4ch1nA_: And does your ISP permit this?
[7:24] <X-M4ch1nA_> Not sure tbh. Can I pipe it thru ngrok? That's what I use to get around most my ups stuff, since I can't have router access because they have their own captive portal before you can go to the router page, and the login info isn't the one on the back of the router like they claim. It's a bit shady
[7:24] <X-M4ch1nA_> *IPS
[7:24] <friendofafriend> I like shady, who doesn't?
[7:25] <X-M4ch1nA_> Not when ur cable provider is locking you put of your own router
[7:25] <cdevidal> X-M4ch1nA_: Not sure tbh. You should be able to test the ISP's rules by using an email client on your desktop? It's been a while since I tried it. But I know all ISPs I am aware of disallow sending mail from your home network.
[7:25] <friendofafriend> When I'm sending mail from the command-line using my gmail account, I use mutt.
[7:25] <cdevidal> I believe most if not all block port 25 outbound for spammers
[7:25] <X-M4ch1nA_> I've heard mutt mentioned too, but was attempting the tools already preinstalled
[7:26] <friendofafriend> Well, you probably have curl, right?
[7:27] <X-M4ch1nA_> I do
[7:27] <friendofafriend> Are you using gmail?
[7:29] <friendofafriend> I just used: curl --url 'smtps://smtp.gmail.com:465' --ssl-reqd --mail-from 'yourusername@gmail.com' --mail-rcpt 'edm-user@niceperson.com' --upload-file mail.txt --user 'yourusername@gmail.com:your-accout-password'
[7:29] <friendofafriend> And sent myself a little happy message from the command line.
[7:30] <X-M4ch1nA_> I was sending to Yahoo. But I wasn't sending FROM anything in particular, I though that the built in mail possibly just generated a random email. And when adding the -r I made one up, didn't try a real on. None of the tuts mentioned you needed the from option
[7:31] <friendofafriend> Most of those utilities are assuming you have a mail server on the local machine.
[7:31] <X-M4ch1nA_> Ah ok
[7:31] <xacktm> friendofafriend: is there a URL where that's documented? using GMail from the command line?
[7:31] <friendofafriend> xacktm: There sure is. https://blog.edmdesigner.com/send-email-from-linux-command-line/
[7:32] <xacktm> friendofafriend: cheers :)
[7:32] <friendofafriend> xacktm: Just be careful, because you'll end up with your gmail password in your .bash_history. ;)
[7:32] <xacktm> may come in handy one day
[7:32] <xacktm> ah yeah
[7:32] <X-M4ch1nA_> Nifty. Thanks for the advice
[7:32] <friendofafriend> You can do the same thing with mutt, after you've configured it.
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[7:33] <X-M4ch1nA_> But why would you need to add the password that you're sending to?
[7:34] <friendofafriend> You're entering the password of the gmail account you're sending mail from.
[7:34] <xacktm> gmail needs to know it's you that's sending it
[7:35] <xacktm> this might work though https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8473121/execute-command-without-keeping-it-in-history#8473153
[7:35] <friendofafriend> And you could use the + in your e-mail address to know what sent it.
[7:36] <X-M4ch1nA_> How can you prevent pw from ending up in bash history? There's a bash clear, right?
[7:36] <X-M4ch1nA_> Oh, he beat me with a link
[7:37] <friendofafriend> You could get a token from gmail, as one way.
[7:37] <friendofafriend> And "API Key", they call it.
[7:37] <friendofafriend> An**
[7:38] <xacktm> ^ that sounds more robust than making sure there's a leading space
[7:38] <cdevidal> Good night friendofafriend, it's late in my time zone, calling it quits. Thanks for the help earlier.
[7:38] <friendofafriend> You're more than welcome! Have a wonderful time and come back soon, cdevidal.
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[7:39] <xacktm> friendofafriend: curious, are you a fan of semantic web and ontologies?
[7:40] <xacktm> your nick is an obvious expansion of a leading ontology :P
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[7:42] <friendofafriend> I'm sorry for getting you excited. I failed all my classes.
[7:43] <X-M4ch1nA_> Lol
[7:45] <xacktm> no worries, at least know you have your own wikipedia page :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOAF_(ontology)
[7:45] <friendofafriend> I am overcome, truly.
[7:46] <friendofafriend> Is this what you've been getting up to, xacktm?
[7:46] <xacktm> ikr, you're a wizard, foaf!
[7:46] <xacktm> not atm, it's just one of those things that needs to happen before the "semantic web" can become a reality
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[7:47] <xacktm> they're been selling web 3.0 since over a decade and very little of it is reality
[7:47] <friendofafriend> "enemyofanenemy" just seemed pessimistic.
[7:48] <xacktm> heh, and it could be that enemyofanenemy is also your enemy
[7:48] <xacktm> come to think of it, a friend of a friend could also be an enemy... depending...
[7:49] * xacktm gives evil eyes
[7:49] <friendofafriend> I must be unclear on the "semantic web", probably just generally dense.
[7:49] <xacktm> in which case maybe the initial friend was actually an enemy :O
[7:50] <friendofafriend> So computers will aggregate anecdotes and present them as evidence?
[7:51] <xacktm> not exactly, although it's an application - computers will be able to read semantics from documents and be able to understand them
[7:51] <xacktm> currently words are just "keywords" and have no meaning
[7:52] <xacktm> the semantic web is when the semantics of documents are interlinked, not just the keywords
[7:53] <friendofafriend> Instead of manipulating your search results with keywords, I'd just manipulate them with natural language?
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[7:55] <xacktm> well, I guess if you're the manipulative SEO type - think of a search like "furry animals" - search engines use tf-idf scores and other keyword analysis
[7:55] <xacktm> but if the computer knows that cats and dogs belongs to the category of "furry animals", then the search engine would include it
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[7:56] <friendofafriend> I see this plan includes cryptographic certificates for sources of information?
[7:58] <xacktm> not necessarily, but data sources can provide a transparent encryption front end - it's just an annoying barrier to overcome
[7:58] <xacktm> linked open data is the goal
[7:58] <xacktm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data
[7:58] <friendofafriend> Right, but at the risk of attenuating primary sources?
[7:59] <xacktm> oh, you want to determine and authorize provenance
[8:00] <xacktm> well sure, that's asolution
[8:00] <xacktm> haven't thought about it too much myself
[8:00] <xacktm> I'd think the URL is pretty authoritative
[8:01] <xacktm> I think you're concerned about getting the data second-hand
[8:01] <friendofafriend> I'm most worried about the outcome of that kind of system, because it's not the result of objective fact but just the dataset.
[8:02] <friendofafriend> So it's a layer of abstraction between the primary source and the researcher.
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[8:03] <xacktm> right, even if we "trust the process", it's still "garbage in -> garbage out"
[8:04] <friendofafriend> I may just be a fentanyl addict with a high engagement rate, but I trust you to figure out what has veracity for yourself.
[8:04] <xacktm> so hmm if we don't have time to verify our sources, we could outsource and trust a third-party?
[8:05] <xacktm> it would be up to us to trust the third-party is "objective"
[8:05] <xacktm> not unlike us shopping around news articles atm
[8:05] <friendofafriend> That seems to be a problem, because news is practically defined as a deviation from the dataset.
[8:05] <friendofafriend> Otherwise, why would you seek it?
[8:06] <xacktm> yeah there's always a layer of interpretation on top of the data, I think the issue is time
[8:06] <xacktm> we don't all have time to dig into primary sources
[8:07] <xacktm> so we trust reputable journalism to report the "facts"
[8:07] <friendofafriend> But the data created by those who seek primary sources will be muted as a deviation from the dataset.
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[8:08] <friendofafriend> I'm worried about that future for you, xacktm.
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[8:08] <xacktm> hmm I think this is where you as a data source could come into play
[8:09] <xacktm> linked data doesn't imply heirarchies
[8:09] * X-M4ch1nA_ is being very engrained and informed by observation of the ongoing convo
[8:09] <X-M4ch1nA_> *entertained
[8:09] <xacktm> it's a complex web where you can link deep into a network and jump out of any perceived hierarchy
[8:09] <friendofafriend> But linked data implies the plural wins over objective fact.
[8:10] <friendofafriend> Or that we'd route to information with a high trust metric.
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[8:11] <xacktm> so... do you trust yourself as anecdata or external things that other say as objective fact?
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[8:11] <xacktm> I think a network would make this gap smaller and smaller
[8:12] <xacktm> like currently, news is pushed from the top -> down
[8:12] <xacktm> and comments give anecdotes, but the main story from the website stays up
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[8:13] <xacktm> still a heirarchy, but if you could subscribe to "networks" of interpretation
[8:13] <xacktm> maybe the truth will come up sooner?
[8:14] <xacktm> idk how this would be practically implemented tho
[8:14] <friendofafriend> I think that's back to those "filter bubbles" you've probably heard about.
[8:14] <xacktm> very chaotic future internet heh
[8:14] <xacktm> aye
[8:14] <friendofafriend> It's easy on the Internet to enter into an echo chamber where the earth is flat, or whatever you'd like.
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[8:16] <friendofafriend> I fear you end up getting more subjective data.
[8:16] <xacktm> yeah this is why free discussion is important - while a heirarchy would be able to censor opposing views, another heirarchy would espose those views, and with a semantic network, one would be able to label these two discussions as "related"
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[8:18] <friendofafriend> Right, but those heirachies are prejudged and we ain't it.
[8:19] <friendofafriend> For example, I'm excited to touch door handles because you never know what disease you'll get.
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[8:20] <xacktm> so then is the question, "is it possible to interpret data objectively"? or is all interpretations subjective?
[8:21] <friendofafriend> Everything's subjective and most of it's wrong, but sometimes it's subjectively correct to you.
[8:22] <friendofafriend> And the only thing that's worse than being led astray by a cognitive mishap is being insulated from them preemptively.
[8:22] <friendofafriend> There's value in being wrong.
[8:23] <xacktm> well a network isn't "insulation" though - there's a symmetric relationship once you establish one between filter bubbles A and B
[8:23] <xacktm> A "is opposed to" B
[8:24] <xacktm> currently, there is no way to state this in the current internets
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[8:25] <xacktm> join sean hannity forums and you're in an echo chamber, join bernie sanders forums and you are in another
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[8:25] <xacktm> a third party can connect two different statements in both silos with a label "opposes"
[8:26] <xacktm> and voila, a new link in the semantic web!
[8:26] <friendofafriend> Those are great examples, xacktm.
[8:27] <xacktm> yeah, but now imagine the practical barriers, so slow...........
[8:27] <friendofafriend> So, I'm one of the thinking those two camps don't really oppose each other. Instead they're in a symbiosis where one feeds on the other and no one notices.
[8:28] <xacktm> hmm good point
[8:28] <friendofafriend> Do you like cops? Do you like crooks? Are cops opposed to crooks? I think you can't have one without the other and they're secretly in love.
[8:28] <xacktm> haha
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[8:29] <friendofafriend> So making bright line distinctions by an automated system is terrifying, because it seems like people are daffy and the data they make is generally wrong.
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[8:32] <xacktm> "garbage in -> garbage out"
[8:32] <xacktm> why is there garbage anyway? :P
[8:32] <friendofafriend> And they can't even get the "->" between right!
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[8:33] <xacktm> yeah hard to "trust the process" then
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[8:35] <friendofafriend> Gosh, it seems even worse than just being spammed and misled.
[8:36] <xacktm> well as an analogy, consider the internet and violence
[8:37] <xacktm> we seem to hear more and more violence in the news, is that because violence has increased? I think it's always been there and just that the internet makes far-out violence more accessible than before
[8:38] <xacktm> that's not to say a feedback loop doesn't exist (school shooting glory), but the internet just spotlights it more because it sells
[8:40] <xacktm> "what should I do to get attention for the $$$" is the current motivation
[8:40] <xacktm> (of current news outlets)
[8:41] <xacktm> maybe with a semantic web, $$$ would be less of a motivation because of the distribution wouldn't be top-down?
[8:41] <friendofafriend> And you can trace those stories right back into the charge we get from our physiology, when the opposite is true and society is safer than ever.
[8:42] <xacktm> yeah
[8:42] <friendofafriend> Yeah, but then along comes Tim Berners-Lee who wants trust metrics on our data sources.
[8:42] <xacktm> d'oh
[8:43] <xacktm> he even argued for DRM iirc lol
[8:44] <friendofafriend> And I'm actually going to get you consuming my dataset by playing to your physiology. I'm going to make up a site where you get a blast of dopamine when your posts are liked.
[8:44] <xacktm> maybe it's just a necessary transition stage, where from the future network's POV, we need to emulate current filter bubles
[8:45] <friendofafriend> The terrible fact is that the dataset that will become the most frequented and trusted is the one that plays you like a fiddle, and all the objectively good data will wash out.
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[8:47] <xacktm> is the problem the internet or our physiology though? it seems to come from somebody's need to sell something . The semantic web would just accelerate this, I admit, but this "fiddler" is already here
[8:49] <friendofafriend> Try watching a "public freakout" video on YouTube sometime. ;)
[8:50] <friendofafriend> Once YouTube knows it's time to appeal to your baser instincts, it goes for the kill. No more Raspi projects and microcontroller videos suggested, except at the very bottom of the list.
[8:51] <xacktm> heh :(
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[8:52] <friendofafriend> So we've already got it bad, and that's why I'm glad there's IRC, I guess USENET is still around.
[8:53] <xacktm> yeah, discord is an up-and-coming, but one day they too might need to inject ads
[8:53] <xacktm> decentralized networks ftw :P
[8:53] <friendofafriend> Just anything but walled garden popularity contests, please. I secretly love those spammers because it just shows there's mischief afoot!
[8:54] <xacktm> lol
[8:54] <friendofafriend> It's yeasty! It's annoying! It's fun. It brings people closer because it shows nothing really matters.
[8:55] <xacktm> good point, it's like an injection of chaos that upends the perceived "order"
[8:55] <xacktm> and yields what you just said ^
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[8:55] <friendofafriend> And it's just a matter of time until you too have a fake blog where you admit to being a pedo nazi who writes insecure code.
[8:56] <friendofafriend> Or a fentanyl addict with a high engagement rate.
[8:56] <xacktm> :)
[8:58] <friendofafriend> Thanks for turning me on to the semantic web, xacktm! ;)
[8:58] <xacktm> I'm gonna get some food; nice discussion friendofafriend o7
[8:58] <friendofafriend> o7, right back.
[8:58] <xacktm> np
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[9:36] <zproc> friendofafriend, about youtube recommandations, i used to watch them while being logged in my google account, now that i use Youtube in it's own FFox container, not logged in, that i opted out of everything (already using uBlock Origin/& other extensions before), i had the pleasure (terrible horror) to discover all the "default" trash recommandations that i guess Youtube thinks i should be interested in given my ip/area/country
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[9:37] <zproc> *used to watch Youtube videos
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[9:47] <chris_99> i wonder if they use any browser fingerprinty stuff + IP while you're logged out. Although i'm not sure how reliable fingerprinting is
[9:49] <chris_99> https://panopticlick.eff.org is pretty cool relating to that
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[10:14] <X-M4ch1nA_> friendofafriend: I tried your curl email tip. Modified it for Yahoo (never made a mail a server before), I tried multiple times and finally got it. The weird thing is, I was trying to send via a full dir path (/pi/desktop/scripts/npt.txt) on the "--upload-file option. Didn't seem to work, (but I do have this .txt set to expire after 60 seconds via the script) but when I made a "mail.txt" in home dir, and sent
[10:14] <X-M4ch1nA_> "--upload-file mail.txt", it went through. But the email I received on my phone, was the original path to npt.txt. not mail.txt. I did a quick reply via my phone, and it took about 5 mins or more to get the notification on my browser (from pi that sent the data). Is it just a really slow process?
[10:16] <X-M4ch1nA_> Or do I need to do some sort of configs?
[10:19] <friendofafriend> X-M4ch1nA_: Hey, that's fantastic news! :)
[10:20] <X-M4ch1nA_> (I tried the method by itself before implementing it into my script btw. Only implemented it once I saw it go through. But in the script, that npt.txt will be removed after so much time. So I need to know how long it normally takes to add the appropriate sleep function in my bash script)
[10:22] <friendofafriend> X-M4ch1nA_: Maybe the data can be piped into that curl line instead? Like, "yoursecretcommands -lol /dev/whoknows | curl <blahblah> --upload-file -"
[10:25] <X-M4ch1nA_> And I'm assuming using full dir paths like I did work, as I got it, but I had tried it like 10 times with the right arguments, and it failed. Then when I changed it to just send "mail.txt" which was a blank .txt, it suddenly sent what I was trying to send 20mins earlier.
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[10:26] <friendofafriend> X-M4ch1nA_: So, you've got this script, it makes a file of its results.
[10:27] <friendofafriend> X-M4ch1nA_: And then this friendly curl line comes along and zips it off to faraway lands by e-mail.
[10:28] <chris_99> using curl for smtp?
[10:28] <X-M4ch1nA_> Yes. Idk if I can pipe this into curl though
[10:28] <X-M4ch1nA_> And yes chris_99
[10:28] <chris_99> cool
[10:29] <friendofafriend> It is, check this article out. https://blog.edmdesigner.com/send-email-from-linux-command-line/
[10:29] <friendofafriend> Talk about light and universal. Way to go, curl.
[10:30] <chris_99> yeah curl is pretty nifty
[10:30] <chris_99> i use it to restart my router programmatically
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[10:30] <friendofafriend> X-M4ch1nA_: Well, if your command is outputting a file at the end, you've got to write this gosh darn file over and over.
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[10:30] <X-M4ch1nA_> friendofafriend: weird things is, I never got the other emails though, even outside of the script. Only that one instance. Maybe the app on my android side needs tweaked?
[10:31] <friendofafriend> And we're in #raspberrypi, so I'm guessing you're writing this file over and over to flash someplace.
[10:32] <friendofafriend> X-M4ch1nA_: Not sure why that would be. I tried that example command and it zipped me off a mail with a little delay.
[10:33] <X-M4ch1nA_> The script outputs a file, that will only exist long enough to send through email server, then delete itself
[10:33] <X-M4ch1nA_> Hmm, I'll try again in the morning, at least I had a success😊
[10:33] <friendofafriend> X-M4ch1nA_: That is great success.
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[10:35] <friendofafriend> To get around writing a file to the SD card every ten minutes until the sun consumes us, you can just replace the output filename with "-", put a "|" at the end, your gnarly long curl line but with "-" as the filename to send.
[10:36] <friendofafriend> Because I think you mentioned something about worrying over the timing of the file getting created and the curl happening on time, but I was away for a bit.
[10:36] <X-M4ch1nA_> I just need to work on figuring out why the extended delay. And how long to leave the .txt before it's erased. Maybe I could add an "if" command that sees when email has been sent on server side, and delete while true or else, wait
[10:37] <X-M4ch1nA_> I did, and thanks for the tips
[10:37] <friendofafriend> https://i.imgflip.com/2f9qtn.jpg
[10:38] <friendofafriend> You're super welcome, thanks for teaching me all about curl fun tonight/this morning.
[10:38] <friendofafriend> It was better than drinking too much. ;)
[10:38] <friendofafriend> Have a wonderful rest of your day.
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[10:41] <X-M4ch1nA_> It's only written once per instance though. When connections are successful, it writes a results.txt. then will send and erase. I need it to erase, because of the way the initiated program runs silent "&", if the .txt is still there, it fails, so the overwrite is perfect for that. But it doesn't write that much data. Will usually only be a single .txt per day
[10:41] <X-M4ch1nA_> You as well
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[10:45] <friendofafriend> https://www.nc.gov/services-info/starting-business-nc
[10:45] <friendofafriend> Sorry, wrong channel, geez. :|
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[11:10] <zleap> hi
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[12:08] <ArahaelPi> friendofafriend: Which channel? :)
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[16:31] <UFC> what os can I put on to install an apk?
[16:31] <UFC> does it have to be only an androis os
[16:34] <Odd0002> Android or possibly chrome OS (not sure about the second one)
[16:35] <UFC> is there any functional android os' for rpi2's?
[16:35] <Odd0002> I have no clue, sorry
[16:36] <UFC> seems like its not very common
[16:36] <UFC> so I can only assume it runs like shit
[16:36] <chris_99> heh
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> people talk about it on and off... I don't think there's a reliable/recent one.
[16:36] <UFC> whats the most common rpi os?
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> which is essentially Debian.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> but tweaked/tuned for the Pi.
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[17:02] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Isn't the paid one probably quite recent and reliable
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[17:03] <Lartza> https://emteria.com/
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea - I wasn't aware of a paid one.
[17:05] <Lartza> That's the successor of RTAndroid
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> well if you really want android, then that might be it..
[17:05] <Lartza> There are some images here and there people assemble but
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[17:46] <Zardoz> There is no official Android build. but there are methods to get it installed.
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[19:06] <norwood67> hi, i'm a little confused but what I need to do to stop the poll of the sd drive when using USB SDD booting. does this dtoverlay=sdtweak,poll_once command go in the config.txt? thanks
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[19:07] <Alina-malina> guys, i have 2 questions 1) is it possible to solder the computer keyboard to gpio pins and use as keyboard, and is it possible to solder the HDD old pin style connectr to that gpio and use that HDD like this one: https://static.makeuseof.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/IDE.jpg
[19:10] <r3> no, and no. Not without some intermediate circuitry
[19:10] <mfa298> Alina-malina: you cant connect an IDE drive directly to the gpio, it's not an ide interface on the pi - just happens to use a similar connector (as to various other things)
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[19:11] <Alina-malina> awh
[19:11] <Alina-malina> damn it
[19:12] <mfa298> norwood67: probably although you'll need a recent update for raspian for that overlay to exist, there was a forum post about it recently you might find via a search
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[19:16] <norwood67> mfa298: thanks. yeah. i had read all of those but they can be confusing as things kind of changed over time. i did just find the instructions in the readme in /boot/overlay so i'm going with that. if i don't come back right away, we will know i was wrong
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[19:17] <guccibandana> I'm working on a project where I'm basically making a DIY calculator and having a bit of trouble coming up with a solution to the keyboard problem. So I opened up my casio calculator to gain some inspiration but I can't find much information about the part.
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[19:18] <guccibandana> It looks like this https://ptpb.pw/mwVl.jpg
[19:18] <guccibandana> On top of it there was a rubber piece like this https://ptpb.pw/zBvv.jpg
[19:19] <Alina-malina> also please answer to this question as well: i am willing to connect my orange pi to SSD with this cable: https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/c07b6018-7df3-408c-99b8-69f70d357955.png its usb 2.0 will it work in my case? i am not expecting a thunderspeed connection, just want to make sure it will work before purchasing?
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[19:20] <norwood67> well, that didn't stop the polling
[19:20] <guccibandana> Does anyone have any clue how a part/component like this is called? Does anyone have any suggestions how I could make calculator buttons functional with a raspberry pi?
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, this is a Raspberry Pi channel - maybe ask in an Orange Pi channel instead?
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> guccibandana, it's a membrane/multiplexed keyboard.
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[19:28] <Alina-malina> gordonDrogon, well yes, but noone answers, in general could you please at least point me where i can find out that question gord? i am tired of waiting ther elol noone answering me unfortunately
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> guideline, that looks like a 5x9 key matrix, so 45 keys. wow - lots of keys for a calculator.
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[19:28] <Alina-malina> just some spam bot spamming their channel
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> Alina-malina, gord? if you can't even use my name or autocomplete, then... good luck.
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[19:28] <Alina-malina> gordonDrogon, who said i was using autocomplete lol
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[19:28] <guccibandana> gordonDrogon: It's one of those expensive graphical calculators. I am 3d printing an almost identical case and I want to make a calculator that is even more functional. Do custom membrane/multiplexed keyboards exist for purchase; do I have a chance of accomplishing something of a similar complexity?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> guccibandana, you might as well buy a new calculator, however - getting a keyboard like that isn't too hard. you can easilly write code to scan it - 5x9 is only 14 gpio lines. I think these days there is even a matrix keyboard driver in the kernel though.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> if you're good with a soldering iron then you can make one on e.g. stripboard.
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[19:28] <ksft> I'm trying to install Gentoo on an SD card for a Raspberry Pi
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[19:28] <guccibandana> gordonDrogon: I was thinking of just reusing that but I realized that with my electronics knowledge, there is no chance of integrating that keyboard which is already part of that board.
[19:28] <ksft> what exactly are the "proprietary firmware files" that I need to put in the boot partition?
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[19:28] <guccibandana> gordonDrogon: You gave me clues for research now, thank you.
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> ksft, get a copy of standard raspbian, boot it and make sure it's up to date, then, basically it's everything in the /boot partition.
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> except maybe the kernel if you build your own but I'm sure gentoo has instructions for that.
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[19:29] <ksft> gordonDrogon: no, I mean waht do they do?
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[19:30] <ksft> what*
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> they're the bootloader and gpu code. the Pi is a GPU with an ARM bolted on the side.
[19:30] <ksft> can't I use GRUB or something like I do on my laptop?
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> so the gpu boots first, then once that's happy, it loads Linux and turns the arm on.
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[19:31] <gordonDrogon> no grub, no lilo, just the bootloader and start.elf files..
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[19:31] <ksft> I'm wondering why I need to use that specific bootload
[19:31] <ksft> bootloader*
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> because that's the way it is.
[19:31] <ksft> I don't understand
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