#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-10-12

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[0:49] <gioele> hi, is it possible to use all the 28 BCM pins as GPIO pins at the same time?
[0:49] <gioele> the wiringPI's docs hint at it but never state that explicitly
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[1:01] <mfa298> im sure people have had projects where they use them all. How well they work will probably depend on what your doing with them nd how good your code is
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[1:43] <shbrngdo> gioele - use all GPIOs at the same time - yes, if nothing 'special' is being done with them, like SPI, I2C, serial...
[1:43] <shbrngdo> oh he's gone. oh well
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[5:23] <Smeef> Why would RetroPie recognize a USB Wi-Fi dongle plugged into a USB port, but not any of the wired or wireless keyboards I've tried?
[5:23] <Smeef> In the same port*
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[5:39] <larsks> Smeef: Do you see anything in the system log when you connect the wireless keyboard dongle?
[5:41] <Smeef> larsks, I'm not sure how to do that.
[5:41] <Smeef> Is there a specific log I need to look at?
[5:41] <larsks> If you're running raspbian, just run "journalctl -fl" before you plug in the dongle, and then see what messages show up when you plug it in.
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[5:41] <Smeef> I can do that via SSH, cirrect?
[5:42] <Smeef> correct?*
[5:42] <larsks> Sure.
[5:42] <larsks> You probably need to run it as root (so, "sudo journalctl -fl")
[5:42] <Smeef> Actually, I can't do that via SSH because I only have one USB port
[5:42] <Smeef> If I unplug the dongle, I lose connectivity
[5:43] <larsks> Are you running on a pi zero?
[5:43] <Smeef> Yeah, not W
[5:43] <Smeef> OG 1.3
[5:43] <larsks> Okay. So...the same messages should be logged to /var/log/messages.
[5:43] <larsks> So you can inspect that after unplugging the keyboard dongle and putting the wifi dongle back.
[5:44] <larsks> Just start at the end of the file and move backwards and look for lines with "kernel:" that seem as if they might have something to do with a new input device.
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[5:45] <Smeef> Okay, thanks, I'll report back with findings in a few minutes
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[6:00] <Smeef> larsks, I don't see anything related to input device, here's the last bit of the log between the time when I unplugged the dongle and plugged in the keyboard, pressed some keys, then swapped in the Wi-Fi dongle again and reconnected: https://pastebin.com/cM0UPS4s
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[6:01] <larsks> Smeef: well, I see some kernel backtraces there which indicate something is really wrong. Not sure what is going on there.
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[6:02] <Smeef> Crap
[6:02] <larsks> Can you paste maybe the next 100 log lines coming before that `Oct 11 23:49:38` timestamp? Everything there appears to be related to your wifi dongle; I'm surprised there's nothing else there.
[6:02] <Smeef> Sure
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[6:03] <larsks> It looks like you've also got the dwc_otg module active, and I'm not sure if that might be a problem or not: you use that when you want the pi zero to act like a usb device instead of a host. Have you done anything to enable that explicitly?
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[6:04] <larsks> (I may be off base on that one; let me see if I've got a pi zero handy at which I can take a look)
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[6:08] <Smeef> larsks, I don't think so, this is a fairly fresh install of RetroPi, the only modifications ?I made was updating it and adding a few small scripts for enabling the SPI TFT display and a safe shutdown button on the GPIO
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[6:08] <Smeef> Here are the earlier logs: https://pastebin.com/6vm6qFZN
[6:09] <larsks> It really looks as if your kernel is crashing when you plug in the wireless keyboard dongle.
[6:09] <Smeef> O_o
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[6:10] <larsks> Just as a dumb check: what happens if you power off the pi, plug in the keyboard dongle, then boot? I'm curious if the problem is the wireless keyboard dongle itself, or some interaction with the wifi dongle.
[6:10] <Smeef> I also noticed that after doing the update from the retropie menu, it has started booting into console rather than emulationstation
[6:10] <Smeef> Oh, I tried that, nothing happens
[6:11] <Smeef> I tried that with both wired and wireless keyboards and a USB game controller
[6:11] <larsks> Extra weird. Can you verify the kernel version you're running?
[6:11] <Smeef> Linux 4.14.71+ armv6l GNU/Linux
[6:12] <larsks> Well, that seems pretty recent. I'm stumped.
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[6:12] <Smeef> I suppose I can re-flash another SD and start from scratch
[6:13] <larsks> Do you have the same problem with stock raspbian?
[6:14] <Smeef> I did do the setup on a Pi3 before transferring the SD to the Pi Zero, because the Pi 3 had built in Wi-Fi and a display attached that was easier for the setup process
[6:14] <Smeef> I'm not sure with stock Raspbian, I haven't been able to get the SPI display to work with stock raspbian yet, so I can't tell if typing does anything
[6:15] <Smeef> Maybe I'll try that next
[6:15] <larsks> Hah! Well, you could at least check the log messages after plugging and unplugging things and see if you see the same kernel crashes, I guess.
[6:16] <larsks> (That's the stuff between the ------------[ cut here ]------------ and ---[ end trace 038ac3421261448a ]--- lines, for example)
[6:17] <Smeef> Sounds like a plan, thanks for your time, much appreciated
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[8:40] <mlelstv> if you think fftw-wisdom is too slow, don't wait for fftw-enlightment
[8:41] <uriahheep> mlelstv: is that for the enlightenment desktop environment or something?
[8:42] * mlelstv chuckles
[8:42] <mlelstv> just kidding :)
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[8:43] <uriahheep> mlelstv: ok
[8:43] <uriahheep> oh
[8:43] <uriahheep> I got it finally
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[12:22] <cyberdesigner> hello. is anyone here using the raspberry with u-boot and FIT-Image?
[12:24] <cyberdesigner> my FIT-Image contains a kernel, a devicetree and a ramdisk. if i boot them with standalone with the raspberry bootloader its fine, but with u-boot as one image some things seems to get messed...
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[12:46] <_ssl> how can I generate two *different* and independant frequencies on two pins? I want to drive two stepper motors independently. I tried pwm0/pwm1 but they share the range and clock settings so that doesn't seem to be possible. I need frequencies in the range of approx. 100-20000 hertz (audio range)
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> that's not typically the way to drive stepper motors. How will you know, for example, how many steps they've taken?
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[12:52] <gordonDrogon> the PWM hardware on the Pi has separate range and data registers though, however they do share the same clock
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[12:54] <mlelstv> you could feed rng and dat through fifo or DMA channel. Should be sufficient to drive the stepper.
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[12:56] <SpeedEvil> https://pythonhosted.org/RPIO/pwm_py.html
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[13:17] <_ssl> gordonDrogon how would I drive them instead then? Yes, I have already thought about how to count the steps and I have no idea
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[13:18] <pwillard> So... is there a modern guide just using MAME on the PI versus that bloated madness that is retropie? I actually DON'T want that interface.
[13:18] <_ssl> I was thinking I could set separate values for range and step for pwm0/pwm1 but it turend out whenever I change it on one, the other changes too
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> _ssl, I use an arduino for steppers myself, however it all depends if you want to ramp them up or if you think they'll do a hard-start at high speed without losing steps.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> _ssl, you might want to look at the pigpio library too.
[13:19] <pwillard> I also vote arduino... since a LOT of there code is there for the taking...
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[13:20] <_ssl> how's pigpio doing it then? it has to work with the same hardware, right?
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[13:26] <pwillard> I'm not sure why you feel the need for PWM. You have a driver chip... like DRV4988?
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> pigpio uses the dma engine to throw bits at pins.
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> driving steppers on the Pi in user-land code is somewhat problematic due to timings and so on. it's vittually impossible to drive them fast and ramp up/down pulse speeds wirhout resorting to either kernel code or leveraging the dma engine.
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> pwillard, those little boards are good, but they still need pulsing from the host. Not sure _ssl has even gotten that far yet.
[13:29] <_ssl> pwillard yes I actually am using two DRV8255
[13:29] <pwillard> Ah... I mean... you can do quick tests with just a ULN2803
[13:30] <_ssl> pigpio sounds promising with DMA stuff, I'll give it a try, thanks for the suggestions!
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> yea, about 10mS quick until trying to feed 2A through them results in the magic smoke release ;-)
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[13:35] <_ssl> pwillard technically I don't need pwm for the pulse widths, but for the frequency. the driver is only interested in the rising edges, so the pwm percentage doesn't really matter at all. do you have a better idea on how to drive those edges?
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[13:42] <pwillard> I'm pretty sure a GPIO.output() call for each coil would be all you need. Nothing too fancy
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> _ssl, what are yo actually trying to do here? the key thing with steppers is knowing the number of pulses you send them to give you positional accuracy.
[13:45] <pwillard> exactly...its about how many times you tickle each coil in sequence.
[13:45] <pwillard> once sequence means forward, the other means backwards
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> pwillard, he's using DRV8255's though.
[13:46] <pwillard> Of course... the driver chip figures out the details for you so you only need to send/send STEP COUNT and DIRECTION
[13:47] <pwillard> Its not about a "frequency" its about a count.
[13:48] <_ssl> well, at this point I'm just playing around and see if I can drive them however I want to. long term target is a robot balancing on two wheels, each driven by its own stepper
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> right.
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> typically you won't use stepper motors for that.
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> they're not fast enough.
[13:49] <_ssl> that means a) I need to "count" the steps each wheel took to calculate position but also b) to set a certain speed (ie. frequency)
[13:49] <_ssl> well I tried them and they are way faster than I need actually, so that's not an issue
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> ok, so use the IMU for feedback then. no need to count pulses, just drive them one way or the other.
[13:50] <_ssl> they can manage speeds north of 20 revolutions per second. for my application probably the most I need is about 2-5 revs per second
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[13:51] <_ssl> yes IMU I have additionally, but it's error prone to integrate the signal over long distances. much more accurate to be able to count the steps too
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> well, sounds like an interesting project. go investigate pigpio.
[13:52] <toli> muchachos, I have a 7inch USB monitor touch, Any hints on how to work with the rpi? When i try it on Windows it starts right away, even the touch works
[13:52] <toli> thx
[13:52] <_ssl> I will. thanks for you help/comments!
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> toli, so what happens when you plug it into a Pi?
[13:54] <toli> gordonDrogon, nothing, the screen stays green. the resolution of the screen is 800x480
[13:55] <chithead> so does it work on linux in general? which chipset does it use?
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> ok, but any diagnostocs on the Pi? what did you try? dmesg, ?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> maybe you need a special kernel module for it - did you check? I suspect a usb display on the Pi is not going to be very fast though.
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[13:57] <toli> I don't want it to be fast, I will also power it from USB switch
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[13:59] <toli> I will check the dmesg, as it was on my boat, and there I didn't have other than e-INK hdmi screen, which the rpi didn't like eather
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[14:00] <toli> either*
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> having more than "I plugged it in, it doesn't work" to go with makes diagnosing stuff quite hard.
[14:01] <toli> I need some instruments displayed on it, also some light switches etc, so I don't need a fast refresh rate
[14:02] <ShorTie> not all Windows devices work in Linux, green screen to me says no drivers/firmware are found
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> which is why you need the output of dmesg to see what's going on.
[14:05] <toli> I know gordonDrogon, I will enable the ssh on it, and will pastebin the output of dmesg
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure I've read of someone using a USB display on a Pi though, so I think it's possible.
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[14:08] <toli> the usb screen comes from an android box, where it was working, so I hope it will be supported by rpi also
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> toli, is it a mimo display?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> if so, then green is probably good: https://www.mimomonitors.com/pages/using-our-usb-displays-with-the-raspberry-pi-3
[14:20] <toli> I havo no idea, no brand nothing
[14:20] <toli> the chipset is displaylink dl-165
[14:25] <toli> ok when I typed the chipset I found info
[14:25] <toli> I should be recompiling the kernel
[14:25] <toli> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12761&start=25
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[14:32] <ShorTie> that is kernel 3.10.25, may not apply to 4.14.x
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[14:35] <toli> yes,
[14:35] <toli> hmm, so how do I install the UDL drivers?
[14:36] <toli> It looks like the udl driver includes the DL-1x5, so it will be a matter of config only?
[14:37] <ShorTie> it's built as module already, CONFIG_FB_UDL=m
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[14:38] <toli> so what should i do to run it?
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[14:40] <ShorTie> https://github.com/AdnanHodzic/displaylink-debian maybe
[14:42] <toli> thank you ShorTie its already included in rasbian I just read
[14:43] <toli> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=172703
[14:43] <toli> I will comeback later, when I am in front of the rpi
[14:43] <toli> thank you all for your help
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[16:17] <robertj> hey all, i've been in my basement for a few years working on crazyness and may have a buyer
[16:18] <robertj> i've been working on some automation products for front office and one of them is a scan controller that basically does what scnaners should just do by themselves
[16:18] <robertj> for example, I have a fujitsu snapscan ix500 that has wifi, can post to the cloud, etc. It runs linux, I can shell into it, yada yada... but has no way to just POST To a url that I control
[16:19] <Khaytsus> You can ssh into your scanner? That seems horribly insecure.
[16:19] <robertj> Telnet
[16:19] <robertj> :/
[16:19] <robertj> So anyway
[16:20] <Khaytsus> Any shell on a device........
[16:20] <robertj> so anyway I'm rolling a scan controller that runs sane instead
[16:20] <robertj> Khaytsus, I don't work for Fujitsu!
[16:20] <robertj> but anyway
[16:20] <Khaytsus> My scanner only does ftp.... but at least I don't have to worry about bullshit software
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[16:21] <robertj> Khaytsus, so anyway, I'm thinking i'm gonna put a pi zero in front of it and just hook into it via usb
[16:22] <robertj> so i'm trying to figure out how i'm gonna provision these guys and if it makes sense to publish any of my provisioning infrastructure
[16:23] <robertj> and see if anyone was already doing likewise.
[16:23] <robertj> i'm dusting this off a bit, so some of this stuff is like 18 mo old and may be out of date
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[16:24] <robertj> but i'm using pibakery to flash NOOBS on with wifi set up and a bootstrap
[16:24] <Khaytsus> You lost me at using noobs for something like this.
[16:24] * Khaytsus &
[16:25] <robertj> Khaytsus, i've also been experimenting with a managed kiosk desktop mode
[16:26] <Khaytsus> What is your actual big idea here? Ignore all the details. What is it you're actually wanting to solve?
[16:26] <Khaytsus> So far I hear "use a pi because it's a pi and that's neat"
[16:26] <robertj> the immediate task is solved, build a scan controller
[16:26] <robertj> it's on my desk, it scans, I can churn them out, yay
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[16:27] <robertj> i'm wondering if there would be interest in a platform to provision pis pre-configured so you could drop ship them from amazon
[16:27] <robertj> not on a commercial basis, just on a 'this might be easy to do and would be cool'
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[16:29] <robertj> so essentially you would order a pi and get an email and give it a URL and at first boot it would start looking at that url for futher provisioning and never talk to the central server again
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[16:31] <robertj> I also have a model train controller too :)
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[16:39] <Smithe^> Are the Cortex A3 (rpi3) Crypto Extensions active?
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[16:43] <ferdinand> No, rpi3 doesn't have the armv8 crypto instructions
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[16:44] <Smithe^> ferdinand, what special license need someone who owns a rpi3 to use them?
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[16:58] <ferdinand> You can't do anything to enable them, they aren't on the chip. The license you may have read about is a hardware implementation license, not an end user license.
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[17:03] <robertj> anyone know of a source for usb 3 to micro cables?
[17:03] <Reedy> I'm sure Amazon have plenty
[17:04] <robertj> I need 3B to Micro A
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[17:08] <Smithe^> I'm trying to enable some Cryptographic API in the kernel config, if I enable an option, this option can change states of other options? (i.e. I enable an algorythm and it enables another algorythm required in the same config window)
[17:08] <ferdinand> Yes, that's how the kernel config works, you don't need to enable all the dependencies yourself.
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[17:11] <robertj> digikey does not have it, does not exist for my purposes then
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[17:14] <Smithe^> ferdinand, there's a particular reason why camellia, twofish, serpent and blowfish are disabled?
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[17:29] <ferdinand> I'm not involved with making the rpi kernel configs, so idk.
[17:30] <Lartza> Smithe^, Because almost nobody needs them?
[17:31] * stiv guesses randomly: old crufty encryption methods no one uses anymore?
[17:31] <Lartza> stiv, Most of those were competitors to AES that lost
[17:32] <Lartza> Rijndael that we now know as AES won Serpent and Twofish
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[17:32] <Lartza> Blowfish is an older one that's pretty much replaced by Twofish
[17:33] * stiv still misses rot13
[17:33] <Lartza> Blowfish is even suspectible to several attacks
[17:37] <ferdinand> Camellia saw some use in pgp, iirc. But no idea when I saw it used last, and I wouldn't expect much benefit from adding any of those to the rpi kernel. But the default linux kernel config still adds them as modules.
[17:37] <Lartza> ferdinand, They might be more secure, but are usually slower than AES
[17:37] <Lartza> Or otherwise more resource intensive
[17:38] <Lartza> I see Arch for instance has them all enabled as modules but
[17:38] <Lartza> Raspbian devs decided against that for some reason I guess
[17:39] <ferdinand> Camellia is basically rijndael with minor changes, it can use aesni etc for acceleration.
[17:39] <Lartza> "Only algorithms required as dependencies by other kernel drivers like IPSec are included, which is why AES and 3DES are still available."
[17:40] <Lartza> Then the person goes all tinfoil rambling about NSA convincing the foundation... :P so yeah no good reasoning there
[17:40] <ferdinand> Haha, that's why it's usually wise to stay clear of crypto discussions.
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[17:44] <Lartza> Ah, one proper reason could be the A53 only has acceleration for AES
[17:44] <Lartza> Also only available on the pi3
[17:47] <ferdinand> Nah, the rpi3 A53 uses NEON for AES acceleration.
[17:48] <Lartza> Yeah well NEON too, is it AES only
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[17:53] <ferdinand> Looking at the kernel source, I only see AES, chacha20, crc and sha1 & sha2 assembly for arm.
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[18:52] <grokkingStuff> Hi there!
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[18:53] <grokkingStuff> I'm trying to port forward my raspberry pi and i'm a bit stuck. I've got duckdns working and it shows my public ip. But getting my router to portforward hasn't been possible yet
[18:53] <grokkingStuff> Anyone deal with this issue before
[18:53] <grokkingStuff> (I'm running ddwrt on my router if it helps)
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[18:54] <larsks> grokkingStuff: Sure, it really depends on your router (and whether or not your ISP blocks inbound traffic in any fashion).
[18:54] <larsks> I haven't configured forwarding under ddwrt in a while.
[18:54] <Khaytsus> Doesn't sound like a pi issue at all
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[18:56] <grokkingStuff> hmmm. I don't know if my ISP blocks inbound traffic
[18:56] <grokkingStuff> Anyway to check?
[18:56] <grokkingStuff> When I use http://www.portchecktool.com/, I get connection timed out
[18:58] <grokkingStuff> @Khaytus: True. Any idea where I should go?
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[18:58] <grokkingStuff> @Khaytsus: ^
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[18:59] <larsks> grokkingStuff: maybe there are dd-wrt forums?
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[19:01] <Khaytsus> Whoever makes this app you're using
[19:03] <Fulgen> I replaced the 7805 with a M015N (which doesn't run try to be a heater), and it outputs 5V DC and should output 1.5A (my multimeter only goes to 250mA), but the Pi3 still only has a blinking ACT LED without PWR LED. is this a problem with the current?
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[20:06] <Fulgen> works, voltage was a bit too low
[20:08] <ShorTie> pi's like 5.2v
[20:08] <Khaytsus> 5v.. 5.2 gives you some room for sag
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[21:01] <Smithe^> Can I compile the p1/p0 kernel on pi3 changing only "make bcm2709_defconfig" in "make bcmrpi_defconfig"?
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[21:21] <TheNik> systemd-analyze plot shows me that more than 10 seconds pass between starting var-swap.swap and network.target. Is that required? Any fix?
[21:22] <TheNik> 20 seconds between getty.target and run-user-1000.mount and almost 50 seconds between user@1000.service and multi-user.target
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[21:30] <ShorTie> how long should it be if i can ask ??
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[21:37] <TheNik> How long should what be?
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[21:39] <TheNik> I am trying to speed up boot in my Raspbian Lite system. Currently it takes about 90 - 95 seconds, which is excessive. 15 - 30 seconds would be appropriate for me.
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[22:00] <Snert_> 90 seconds seems rather glacial
[22:01] <TheNik> Would sharing my systemd-analyze plot help any troubleshooting?
[22:02] <Snert_> my full raspian distro boots in like....under 10 seconds.
[22:02] <Snert_> well under.
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[22:07] <TheNik> Snert_: svgshare.com/i/8i3.svg
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[22:09] <Snert_> Wow...
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[22:10] <Snert_> I'd boot it from a virgin imaged SD card and see what difference that makes.
[22:11] <TheNik> That's my starting point
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[22:11] <TheNik> I flash a new image, and I get this, reliably. Raspbian stretch 2018-06-27.
[22:13] <TheNik> On an original Sandisk Ultra class 10 SD card
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[22:14] <Snert_> immediately do an update - same after it's current?
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[22:14] <TheNik> sudo raspi-update and sudo raspi-upgrade should do it?
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[22:16] <TheNik> I will try to do it without flashing a new image first, as I have not installed any new packages or anything, but rather spent some time configuring networking and interfacing to make it work in my setup so far. It'd be a shame to lose all this work
[22:16] <Snert_> yep...that's how to update.
[22:16] <Snert_> Just be aware of any packages you have added and such...if you are not updating a virgin sd card that is.
[22:17] <TheNik> I've seen additional update commands, such as apt-get dist-upgrade (I think?) and possibly other
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[22:19] <Snert_> you're already on stretch so I don't think dist-upgrade applies yet.
[22:19] <TheNik> It's a virgin SD card other than some changes in /etc/network/ and what is usually done to enable SSH over USB in a headless Pi Zero setup (enable SSH with the "ssh" file, dtoverlay=dwc2 in config.txt and modules-load=dwc2,g_ether in cmdline.txt)
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[22:20] <echoSMILE> raspberrypi has a package manager right?
[22:20] <Snert_> o. Well, piZero. There a considerable lack of horsepower involved.
[22:20] <larsks> echoSMILE: well "raspberrypi" is just hardware. THe various os distributions each have their own package manager. Raspbian uses apt.
[22:20] <TheNik> Still much longer boot than usual
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[22:24] <echoSMILE> larsks, raspbian is the official distribution for the board?
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[22:25] <larsks> echoSMILE: It is the "recommended" distribution. So, sure. I'm unclear on the exact relationship between raspbian and the raspberry pi organization.
[22:25] <echoSMILE> all hardware works 100% ?
[22:26] <echoSMILE> I mean, with raspbian
[22:26] <larsks> echoSMILE: I haven't run into any problems.
[22:26] <echoSMILE> ok. raspbian has X?
[22:27] <larsks> Yes, if you download the full version you get a complete desktop environment (there is a "lite" version if you don't need a gui).
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[22:28] <echoSMILE> is there any package that work with ReSpeaker to enable commands by voice?
[22:28] <larsks> I have no idea what ReSpeaker is.
[22:29] <echoSMILE> think it is a microphone to use with the board,
[22:29] <echoSMILE> there is anything for that with raspeberrypi?
[22:30] <larsks> I don't know; never heard of it before.
[22:30] <echoSMILE> ok
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[22:31] <echoSMILE> hum, where can I check the packages for raspbian?
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[22:31] <echoSMILE> http://archive.raspbian.org/ ?
[22:31] <echoSMILE> can actually list the packags
[22:31] <echoSMILE> *can't
[22:31] <larsks> Sure you can. What are you trying to do?
[22:32] <echoSMILE> search for some packages
[22:32] <robertj> btw any suggestions on nice raspberry pi monitors? preferably not usb ones?
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[22:32] <robertj> (with touch screen, sorry)
[22:33] <larsks> echoSMILE: *How* are you trying to do that? Where are you looking? What have you tried?
[22:33] <echoSMILE> by browser
[22:34] <larsks> Okay. If you're running Raspbian somewhere, you can just run "apt-cache pkgnames". I'm not sure if there is a website that provides a single list.
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[22:39] <tristero> "apt-cache search pattern". also packages.debian.org has a more powerful search page
[22:40] <TheNik> robertj: There is an 8 inch (?) capacitive touch display that works with a ribbon cable, from element14
[22:40] <TheNik> It's not the cheapest, though
[22:40] <TheNik> But pretty much plug and play, and well made
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[22:47] <echoSMILE> tristero, packages.debian.org are compatible with raspbian ?
[22:50] <robertj> i'd like something larger honestly
[22:51] <robertj> TheNik, supposing I settle, how's the image quality on it?
[22:52] <TheNik> Not as good as you'd have on a modern tablet, that's for sure. You can just barely discern the pixels on it with the bare eye
[22:52] <TheNik> But it's in no way bad, IMHO.
[22:56] <robertj> fair enough, i'm probaby gonna end up fronting it with an ipad in a metal box
[22:56] <robertj> or an off the shelf monitor
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[22:58] <TheNik> Snert_, others: I updated Raspbian, the boot time didn't improve. Here is the new systemd-analyze plot: http://svgshare.com/i/8jd.svg (old one: http://svgshare.com/i/8i3.svg )
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[23:05] <echoSMILE> raspberry pi 3 b+ has wifi in the board or is needed a wifi usb dongle?
[23:05] <H__> in the board
[23:06] <TheNik> echoSMILE, that's listed in the specs at https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-plus/ ;-)
[23:06] <TheNik> The site is very easy to find on the web, by the way
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[23:12] <echoSMILE> TheNik, indeed :P ty
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[23:15] <Snert_> TheNik: you're running a dhcp server on that piZero?
[23:15] <TheNik> Snert_: No, I am not. Is that dhcpcd.service?
[23:16] <TheNik> I'd like to disable it, but I am using dhcp to get my IP address (as in, dhcp client)
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[23:17] <Snert_> yes, dhcpd.service is what I see close to the bottom.
[23:17] <Snert_> but no matter.
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[23:27] <robertj> anyone using amazon system manager on raspian?
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[23:43] <ijash> hi, does anyone here have a tutorial link for quick & dirty way to reverse proxy port 80 apache2 to node.js? i'd like something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPZjDL7ilU but for manually installed lamp stack on raspbian..
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[23:45] <tristero> echoSMILE: almost all Debian packages are available in Raspbian. I would still download from the raspbian repos, just suggesting the Debian package search tool as a way of finding what you're interested in
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