#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-10-18

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[2:00] <WilkinsMicawber> Looking to use a LIPO battery to power my PI. The only relatively high-capacity one I can find with a protection circuit is an Adafruit model. I'm using Pijuice with the LIPO battery, and the documentation says to make sure the battery has a temperature monitor. I can't find any info. on temp. monitors on the adafruit site. I need to be able to guarantee the battery won't explode if somehow
[2:00] <WilkinsMicawber> my case overheats the battery. Not sure I can, though, so i'm considering not using a LIPO battery.
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[2:04] <Snert_> they usually mean an add-on board that charges the lipo and has a temp sensor on it.
[2:05] <Snert_> as opposed to a lipo battery with a temp sensor inside it.
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[2:13] <Snert_> WilkinsMicawber: what kind of life are you wanting/expecting twixt charges?
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[2:15] <BurtyB> Snert_, they mean a battery with integral NTC thermistor looking at the docs
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[2:15] <Snert_> I haven't seen one in the wild but may exist I spose.
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[2:17] <WilkinsMicawber> hoping for 1.5 hours
[2:17] <WilkinsMicawber> i mean, i'd like 5000maH
[2:18] <WilkinsMicawber> but 2500 is the highest i can find with a protection circuit
[2:18] <WilkinsMicawber> I can handle temperature sensing if the battery will heat up evenly
[2:18] <WilkinsMicawber> but i'm not sure that it will heat up on the outside before exploding
[2:18] <Snert_> 12v gel SLA or car battery..set it ferget it...change it out in a week.
[2:19] <WilkinsMicawber> i'm thinking getting one with overvoltage protection and monitoring the temperature might be find
[2:19] <WilkinsMicawber> it has to be small and able to be recharged and placed in a small case
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[3:22] <binaryhermit> hmm, does this affect raspbian? https://it.slashdot.org/story/18/10/17/2259232/trivial-authentication-bypass-in-libssh-leaves-servers-wide-open
[3:22] <AlexPortable> What do I need to receive 868 MHz signal with raspberry? Can't find much about it
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[3:23] <binaryhermit> I mean, I assume you can make raspbian vulnerable to that by installing the right/wrong ssh server
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[3:40] <erm3nda> AlexPortable, as far as i can figure out, the proper GPIO powered device. I own 384Mhz RF device, Sure you can build a 868Mhz on top of it's board.
[3:41] <erm3nda> AlexPortable, Did u even google for it? https://cpc.farnell.com/enocean/enocean-pi-868/enocean-pi-8051-mcu-868mhz/dp/SC13204?ost=EnOcean+Pi+868MHz+Radio+Transceiver+Gateway+8051+Microcontroller&selectedCategoryId=&categoryNameResp=All%2BCategories&searchView=table&iscrfnonsku=false#techDocsHook
[3:42] <AlexPortable> yes, but how do i connect this to the pi?
[3:42] <erm3nda> https://cpc.farnell.com/hoperf/rfm95w-868s2/lora-transceiver-module-20dbm/dp/RF00490?MER=sy-me-pd-mi-alte
[3:42] <AlexPortable> and is it compatible
[3:42] <erm3nda> AlexPortable, all that is about GPIOS
[3:42] <erm3nda> look the item, says for "rpi", but is all about GPIO interface
[3:42] <erm3nda> you can use it on arduinos as well
[3:42] <AlexPortable> so just connect and it'll work?
[3:42] <erm3nda> yes, but you need the software part which reads it's PIN
[3:42] <erm3nda> not rocket science
[3:43] <erm3nda> im guessing you never used any GPIO component yet
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[3:43] <erm3nda> now is party time for you :-)
[3:47] <uriahheep> :)
[3:48] <uriahheep> btw, I almost have opencl going with gnuradio on the pi
[3:48] <uriahheep> soon...
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[3:49] <erm3nda> i mounted camera to my zero today
[3:50] <erm3nda> i'll be doing opencv shit asap
[3:50] <uriahheep> cool
[3:50] <uriahheep> well
[3:50] <erm3nda> camera didnt fit the special camera case :-(
[3:50] <uriahheep> hmmm
[3:50] <erm3nda> i used a bad trick
[3:50] <uriahheep> do you need opencl for opencv?
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[3:50] <erm3nda> sorry, i confused your term ... u said opencl
[3:50] <erm3nda> i read opencv
[3:50] <erm3nda> sorry
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[3:51] <uriahheep> lol no problem
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[3:51] <erm3nda> what small opencl task are you doing? :D
[3:51] <erm3nda> mining? XD
[3:52] <uriahheep> erm3nda: I'm just going to benchmark its usability with gnuradio
[3:52] <uriahheep> for rtl-sdr
[3:53] <erm3nda> can i know why do you need opencl for radio things?
[3:53] <erm3nda> no enough cpu ?
[3:53] <uriahheep> indeed
[3:54] <erm3nda> so, doing a lot of sound process, heavy ones
[3:54] <erm3nda> understood
[3:54] <uriahheep> yup
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[3:54] <uriahheep> math stuff
[3:55] <erm3nda> sure, all about herts and maths
[3:55] <erm3nda> hertzs
[3:55] <uriahheep> :)
[3:55] <erm3nda> Now i don't know what to do with my Pi2b+ because zero is cooler ...
[3:56] <erm3nda> maybe build a piTop on "top" of pi (it)
[3:57] <erm3nda> well, time to go bed for me. gn
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[5:38] <Dan0maN> hi all. powered up my test pi that i haven't touched in about a month and can't sign into it (forgot password)
[5:38] <Dan0maN> followed directions to put init=/bin/sh in the cmdline
[5:38] <Dan0maN> booted
[5:38] <Dan0maN> seems to hang before the prompt, but hit enter and i get a root prompt
[5:38] <Dan0maN> try to passwd pi, but it finished with auth token manip error
[5:39] <Dan0maN> any thoughts?
[5:40] <Dan0maN> do i need to remount -o wr?
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[5:43] <Dan0maN> nm. that was it
[5:43] <Dan0maN> apparently had some errors from me ripping out the power since i couldn't sign in
[5:43] <Dan0maN> mounted rw and all good
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[5:45] <Dan0maN> 588 rubber duckies :)
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[6:00] <larsks> Dan0maN: Glad you got it working. It's often easier just to pull the sd card and stick it in another computer and fix your password there.
[6:00] <Dan0maN> what do you do, copy a hash into shadow?
[6:01] <Dan0maN> i suppose i could have cleared it and then signed in with an <enter>
[6:02] <larsks> Sure, for example. I often use systemd-nspawn and just open chroot environment; wit the appropriate tools installed (qemu-arm-static), you can run pi binaries on an x86 host and just run "passwd" that way. Lots of options.
[6:03] <Dan0maN> seems a bit much
[6:03] <larsks> I dunno. Slip in the sd card, run one command, and I can interact with the whole pi filesystem. Great for package upgrades, fixing problems, etc.
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[6:04] <Dan0maN> i've never used nspawn. hell, i just learned about tmpfiles
[6:04] <Dan0maN> i suppose i should read up on systemd
[6:04] <Dan0maN> thought i knew enough to run a system with it :)
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[6:05] <larsks> I put together a short writeup a while ago about using systemd-nspawn like this: http://blog.oddbit.com/2016/02/07/systemd-nspawn-for-fun-and-well-mostly-f/
[6:06] <Dan0maN> reading up. thanks for the link
[6:06] <larsks> It's a little dated; the bit about binding qemu-arm into the chroot environment isn't necessary anymore, which is way more convenient. In fact, I think I'm going to update it right now...
[6:10] <Dan0maN> damn. that's still a tasty link. and tool that i never knew about
[6:11] <Dan0maN> i'm an EL brat, so only been using it since EL7 adopted it, and only because i had to. but i've liked what it does and understand the adaptation
[6:11] <Dan0maN> s/adaptation/adoption/
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[6:12] <larsks> Dan0maN: I've just pushed an update to that link. Wripped out a bunch of stuff that is no longer necessary.
[6:12] <Dan0maN> k. ty
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[6:58] <Gobo708> Hi all, I have been following this guide to set up octoprint on raspberry pi two nights in a row. But I get to the stage of updating rc.local and rebooting and it loses all network connectivity, i.e. wifi vandishes
[6:58] <Gobo708> https://discourse.octoprint.org/t/setting-up-octoprint-on-a-raspberry-pi-running-raspbian/2337
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[6:58] <Gobo708> Dont know if I have an issue with SD corruption or something else is going on
[6:59] <Gobo708> But this time, there are no serious messages in dmesg
[6:59] <Gobo708> However, when I reboot... it sits at the welcome screen with a login prompt overlaying the screen, instead of going into desktop
[6:59] <Gobo708> Latest raspbian
[7:00] <Gobo708> not sure if I should just roll back to an earlier version, replace the SD card, or replace the raspberry pi... power supply is genuine raspberry pi 2.5 A
[7:04] <Gobo708> Errors when trying to start networking = /etc/network/if-pre-up.d failed no suck file or directory
[7:06] <Gobo708> kind of like this issue: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/iptables-if-pre-up-blocking-my-network-interfaces-debian-4175545524/
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[7:11] <sware> I have raspbian stretch lite installed to microsd and when I boot up with a USB flash drive installed that only has another image and pishrink on it, it says "failed to mount /boot" and goes into emergency mode. It's booting off of the microsd. Does anyone know how to avoid this?
[7:11] <sware> it's like it's trying to automount the flash drive as the boot device for some reason
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[7:46] <mlelstv> is it the same image?
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[8:23] <Gobo708> Think my problem was setting a static IP address in dhcpcd... seemed to be breaking wifi
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[10:35] <mlelstv> what is a uHAT ?
[10:37] <BurtyB> ah it's via SPI by the looks
[10:38] <BurtyB> mlelstv, what Raspberry Pi are calling a pHAT (pimoroni) or Bonnet (adafruit) etc.
[10:38] <mlelstv> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-tv-hat/
[10:39] <mlelstv> The CXD2880 tuner has a SPI interface
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[10:40] <mlelstv> never seen this named uHAT :)
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[10:42] <BurtyB> nor me but it's theirs to name i guess, just a shame they're using yet another unobtainium IC with no public datasheet
[10:42] <mlelstv> at least it has a driver
[10:43] <mlelstv> you can probably buy the chip, in quantities of 10k or more.
[10:44] <BurtyB> heh yeah I guess I am less likely to want to repair this as I am the 3B+ with it's unobtainium ICs
[10:45] <mlelstv> it's all unobtainium :-/
[10:46] <BurtyB> yup, anyone want to buy a stack of 3B+ with broken PMIC? :D
[10:48] <mlelstv> the last thing I built was a machine based on several DSP56001, and it required a delay line that you could also only buy in thousands. Fortunately we found a distributor who was nice to sell me 50.
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[11:02] <Arahael> I wonder if people sometimes buy 10k units of something because they need ONE chip for some important production equipment, and if they kept one more as a spare and then just put teh remaining 9,998 units on gumtree for freee.
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[11:07] * BurtyB looks up at that reel of SD connectors.. hmm maybe they just shove them on a shelf for a rainy day :)
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> TV hat. interesting choice of a hat for the foundation to sell. I guess there's been demand for it...
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[12:16] <mpmc> gordonDrogon: Indeed it is, I just hope our site doesn't get overrun with questions!
[12:17] <mpmc> Sorry, by our site, I mean tvheadend.org lol
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> if only I had an aerial that would pick up any sort of signal..
[12:18] <mpmc> Not that we don't mind the influx of users though :p
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[12:20] <mpmc> I hope rpf update to the newer tvh at some point though, going from the screenshots they're using 4.2.4!
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> it's an area I know nothing of - not having an aerial ...
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> so I've never bothered with any of that stuff.
[12:22] <mpmc> I have many tuners and pis! Would love a hat though.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> not sure I'll go to the expense of having an aerial fitted just to watch some TV - I do have freesat though.
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[12:28] * BurtyB *chuckles* on the up side we now know it takes over a year to go from "tested on raspberry pi 3" in a kernel patch to being a product ;)
[12:29] <Habbie> hehe
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[12:34] <ali1234> what on earth is going on with that header?
[12:35] <BurtyB> do you mean header or the silly cutout for the display cable?
[12:35] <ali1234> the header
[12:36] * BurtyB sees nothing that isn't in the current HAT spec?
[12:36] <ali1234> on the wrong side of the board, so you have to shove the pins through the board into the header
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[12:36] <BurtyB> it's a bottom entry samtec as per the spec
[12:37] <BurtyB> (or samtec equiv I guess as that is quite expensive imho)
[12:37] <ali1234> whats the point of it?
[12:37] <BurtyB> um to stack the unstackable HAT ;)
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[12:38] <ali1234> make me glad that nobody follows the specs
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> how does the data get from the tuner into the Pi? Is it using the other high sped serial thing who's name I've temporarily forgotten ... (like the SD card thing)
[12:38] <ali1234> probably SPI
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[12:40] <ali1234> even T2 is not particularly high bandwidth, it is about 28mbps i think
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[12:42] <ali1234> the tuner will be on i2c of course
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[12:43] <BurtyB> ali1234, yeah - I used it for the first version of the Cluster HAT then realised how expensive it was with little to no benefit
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[12:46] <waveform> same header arrangement as on the Sense HAT
[12:46] <ali1234> not quite
[12:46] <ali1234> the spec for SMT HATs is 1mm larger than the through hole version to accomodate the pads
[12:46] <ali1234> but the spec for uHAT is not
[12:47] <waveform> I mean with regard to the header being on the "wrong" side of the board
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[12:47] <ali1234> oh actually it's 0.5mm
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[12:48] <BurtyB> that's going to be quite a squeeeeeze
[12:48] <mpmc> DVB-T is actually about 40mbps.
[12:48] <ali1234> i wonder what size the tv hat really is
[12:48] <mpmc> DVB-T2*
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[12:49] <mpmc> I wonder if it's full or partial mux receive.
[12:50] <ali1234> it will be filter based like all of them
[12:50] <mpmc> ali1234: Not all can do pid filtering.
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[12:51] <mpmc> In fact most new ones don't.
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[12:52] <shiftplusone> mpmc: hey, I'd love to update the tvh package, but the existing packaging for it is a bit messy and doesn't "just work" the same way most debian packages do. The neatest I found was a backport from deb-multimedia and stole that.
[12:52] <shiftplusone> What would be some good reasons to update it to the latest release?
[12:53] <ali1234> mpmc: CXD2880 does
[12:53] <mpmc> At least they've chosen the Sony tuner rather than the silabs based ones, they are both great, just the silabs are a bit funny with firmware.
[12:54] <mpmc> shiftplusone: a bit messy how?
[12:56] <shiftplusone> I wish I remembered, but it was a while back. I'm actually not seeing anything particularly awful looking at the github repo now.
[12:56] <mpmc> ali1234: If it's forced to filter then I can see people complaining about not being able to watch more than one channel on a mux!
[12:57] <shiftplusone> looking at an email I sent about it earlier, it bundles ffmpeg rather than using the system version and doesn't pass piuparts and/or lintian well.
[12:57] <BurtyB> has anyone seen a (public) video of it working?
[12:58] <mpmc> shiftplusone: I actually built the latest release (4.2.7) for both raspbian jessie and stretch on my bintray repo.
[12:58] <ali1234> ityou can just set a null filter
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[12:58] <ali1234> the kernel driver was written by sony and they seem to maintain it properly
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[12:59] <mpmc> shiftplusone: There is little point in bundling ffmpeg on it anyway, my builds don't contain it as there's no point as tvh doesn't quite support transcoding yet, there was work done to try and get it working in master but it has stalled due to some issues.
[13:00] <mpmc> support transcoding on the pi**
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[13:02] <shiftplusone> ah, so your packages aren't a straight build from upstream? When I was using that it would error out while building ffmpeg because it tried to autodetect the architecture and got it wrong.
[13:02] <ali1234> https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/840606/ has lots of interesting information
[13:02] <ali1234> like the max SPI speed is 55MHz
[13:03] <mpmc> shiftplusone: No, it is using upstream, just with ffmpeg disable on build. All my builds are actually done on two RPis.
[13:03] <mpmc> in a chroot
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[13:07] <ali1234> "The CXD2880 HW PID filter is used to decrease the amount of TS data transferred via limited bit rate SPI interface. "
[13:07] <shiftplusone> mpmc: since you know the software a lot better than I do. Would you recommend upgrading to your packages?
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[13:07] <ali1234> and #define CXD2880_MAX_FILTER_SIZE 32
[13:08] <shiftplusone> Ran lintian and piuparts again. Some of the issues: https://pastebin.com/1p42zmqX
[13:09] <mpmc> shiftplusone: No, it's better to have the packages served by the rpf servers as bintray keep blocking our repos due to overuse :/ We're working on bringing them all back under apt.tvheadend.org.
[13:10] <mpmc> shiftplusone: Thanks I'll make a note of that & try and resolve some of them.
[13:10] <shiftplusone> Oh, I meant completely ripping off your packages and adding them to the rpf repo. >.>
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[13:15] <mpmc> shiftplusone: Yes, sure. But it's pretty easy to build on a pi. Just use the autobuild scripts. [./Autobuild.sh -t raspbianstretch-armhf -o deps; AUTOBUILD_CONFIGURE_EXTRA=--disable-ffmpeg_static ./Autobuild.sh -t raspbianstretch-armhf]
[13:16] <shiftplusone> Yup, I'm just wondering if there's any major changes that would be good for the user between those versions.
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[13:20] <mpmc> shiftplusone: lots :) https://github.com/tvheadend/tvheadend/compare/v4.2.4...v4.2.7
[13:22] <shiftplusone> Alright. I'll trust your judgment and add updating the packages to the todo list.
[13:22] <shiftplusone> thanks
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[13:31] <mpmc> shiftplusone: I'm guessing you have one of these hats? Can you tell me if it can stream a full mux or filtered only?
[13:31] <mpmc> And yes, anyone is welcome to contribute to tvh, we can use the help!
[13:32] <shiftplusone> I dont have it on me, but I'll ask Dom or Roger when they're around and let you know.
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[13:33] <mpmc> I'm looking at the driver, atm, from what I can tell it does filtering by default.
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[13:34] <mpmc> shiftplusone: If you could send me it as a PM that would be awesome, otherwise it'll get lost in the IR-Sea. :)
[13:35] <shiftplusone> will do
[13:38] <mpmc> Hmm, it should be able to do a full dvb-t2 mux!
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[14:01] <jthornton> I found this terse page on using the smbus but I'm clueless how to use it to write to a digole lcd
[14:02] <jthornton> I'm trying to send the command CL to clear the screen
[14:02] <jthornton> via the i2c
[14:03] <jthornton> I think I need to use write_i2c_block_data(addr,cmd,vals) and I got it to not throw an error but didn't clear the screen
[14:04] <jthornton> i2c.write_i2c_block_data(addr, 0x27, [0x28])
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[14:09] <jthornton> holy crap this worked to clear the screen i2c.write_block_data(addr, 0x00, [0x43, 0x4c])
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[14:20] <phinxy> are there any other raspberrypi fans out there somewhere
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[14:21] <larsks> phinxy: you mean, like, fans for keeping your pi cool? Or people who use raspberry pis? Because google suggests there are a lot of both.
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[14:24] <phinxy> 10 Million raspberrys sold, I wonder what they end up doing.
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[14:25] <gordonDrogon> 10? you're out of touch - I think it's closer to 20 million or even more now.
[14:29] <chris_99> wow, that's a lotta pi
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[14:49] <Khaytsus> Well, I have 6 of them so
[14:52] <BurtyB> I hate to think how many I have :(
[14:53] <Khaytsus> So between everyone in this channel we probably account for a good portion of them ;)
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[14:54] <chris_99> haha
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[14:56] <BurtyB> yeah lets leave it at that before I get to tripple digits counting them
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[14:57] <chris_99> heh
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[14:58] <chris_99> i want to take another stab at making a wildlife cam with a pi, which i had problems last time because i left the pi camera cable in the air heh, and it doesn't like rain (the camera itself was waterproofed)
[14:59] <Khaytsus> Honestly the cost of getting it right is probably no more than a real wildlife cam.
[14:59] <Khaytsus> Unless you're also planning on hooking up a wifi network point or something to offload the images, in which case not sure wildlife cams have that or at what pricepoint.
[15:00] <chris_99> i use mine attached to EoP
[15:00] <chris_99> which works pretty well for me
[15:00] <chris_99> to grab the data
[15:01] <chris_99> i caught a hedgehog and 2 polecats so far :) i need to find out when hedgehogs hibernate
[15:02] <Khaytsus> Hedgehogs? Interesting. They are tiny little things aren't they?
[15:02] <Khaytsus> You don't mean like... a groundhog do you?
[15:02] <chris_99> pretty small yeah, you not seen one before?
[15:02] <Khaytsus> I've seen a pet hedgehog, not a wild one
[15:02] <chris_99> ah
[15:02] <Khaytsus> And they're about the size of a hand
[15:04] <Khaytsus> Interesting, in the UK they're apparently quite common in cities. I had no idea.
[15:05] <Khaytsus> My kids friend had one for about 3 months but she got bored of it... not exactly the most exciting pets
[15:05] <chris_99> awh
[15:05] <chris_99> for you UK folks - https://www.change.org/p/help-save-britain-s-hedgehogs-with-hedgehog-highways ;)
[15:05] <Khaytsus> Now she has a ferret, which she see every few days or so... they're not sure if it stays in the house or just sleeps in some hidden place.
[15:06] <Khaytsus> smh
[15:06] <chris_99> that's what a polecat approximately is
[15:06] <Khaytsus> I don't know why people get a pet if they don't want a pet
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[15:06] <chris_99> mm
[15:06] <Khaytsus> Yeah, polecat's and ferrets are the same family
[15:06] <chris_99> mm
[15:06] <Khaytsus> In fact...... her and her friend were at my moms house and saw a baby bunny. they were sneaking up on it; but they weren't the only one
[15:07] <Khaytsus> About 10 feet away from them a stoat leaped on the baby bunny and ripped it to pieces
[15:07] <Khaytsus> Stoat again being a polecat family member
[15:07] <chris_99> eek. stoats are smaller though aren't they?
[15:07] <Khaytsus> They're a little bigger than a ferret
[15:07] <chris_99> oh interesting
[15:08] <chris_99> we've had a sparrowhawk before in our garden actually eating a pigeon
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[15:09] <chris_99> i thought it might have been a goshawk
[15:09] <chris_99> but they're a lot bigger/rarer apparently
[15:09] <Khaytsus> It is interesting what's outside though.. stuff you don't know. I saw a YT video of a guy reviewing a secury camera and he screwed it to a fence post in his back yard and let software capture all movement at night
[15:09] <Khaytsus> He discovered quite an array of critters he had no idea were back there
[15:10] <chris_99> nice, yeah it's really cool, which is why i want to make a better camera setup
[15:10] <Khaytsus> Cats dogs etc of course... but moles, mice, weasles, something larger he never did figure out what it was
[15:10] <chris_99> cool
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[15:11] <Khaytsus> oh.. night vision and IR is another good reason for a real trail cam, unless you're also powering a reasonbly large IR emitter and the noir camera
[15:11] <Khaytsus> I got the noir camear here for a security camera and it's inside my kitchen window
[15:11] <waveform> plenty of foxes round our way - occasionally one sits on the roof of my neighbour's shed
[15:11] <Khaytsus> Turns out.......... my windows filter ir
[15:11] <Khaytsus> fail
[15:11] <waveform> it looked like it was sunning itself in the morning, until we figured out it was just over the fence from his neighbour ... who has chickens in their garden
[15:12] <Khaytsus> It was just an experiment anyway.. figured I'd see how well it did. Honestly it cost as much as a security camera that was a complete package, waterproof, with IR built in etc.
[15:12] <Khaytsus> Sunning AND picking out his lunch
[15:12] <waveform> yup :)
[15:12] <Khaytsus> I like doing that too.. but usually someone cooks the chicken for me first
[15:14] <Khaytsus> Okay, work time for me. Have fun. Just keep in mind the total price, robustness, etc... Pi is more flexible in terms of how you interface it, but I really suspect a trail cam would be cheaper or the same cost for better reliability and weatherproofness
[15:14] <chris_99> quite possibly, but this hooks up to my network, i don't think trail cams generally have networking?
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[15:32] <gargantua> hi
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[15:32] <gargantua> any completely free/libre distros for raspberry pi 2
[15:32] <gargantua> I got a 128gb micro sd will it work
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[15:35] <shiftplusone> no, the pi's firmware/bootloader is proprietary, so you're not going to get a completely free distro. There's open firmware out there, but it's far from usable.
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> gargantua, the actual Linux side is free, just the bootloader & gpu code that's proprietary. No worse really than most PCs BIOS these days.
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[16:09] <gargantua> gordonDrogon: what distro do you recommend? anything that uses pacman?
[16:09] <gargantua> can I install obarun on it?
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[16:11] <gordonDrogon> gargantua, I strongly recommend Raspbian.
[16:11] <gargantua> I want to use pacman...
[16:11] <shiftplusone> then use arch
[16:12] <gargantua> https://archlinuxarm.org/about/downloads
[16:12] <gargantua> any idea which one to get?
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is maintained and supported by the foundation - it's the 99.9999% install solution. I'd really give it a go first just to make sure everything is working, then jump ship...
[16:13] <shiftplusone> It should be obvious which one to get fromt hat list
[16:13] <gargantua> I have tried it before
[16:13] <gargantua> I dont want to use it
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> it's great to have a choice. good to have support too.
[16:13] <gargantua> mien says raspberry pi 2 model B v1.1 -- Raspberry Pi 2014
[16:14] <gargantua> I have no idea which one is the one to get
[16:14] <gargantua> I'm using an external wifi dongle
[16:14] <artok> don't want to use, because of apt or why?
[16:14] <gargantua> yes, I want more recent software
[16:14] <shiftplusone> You mean you have a pi 2 and you're looking at a list of downloads "pi 1, pi 2 and pi 3" and you don't know which one to click? =S
[16:14] * artok is idiot and uses debian buster
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[16:15] <gargantua> shiftplusone: is v7 pi 2?
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[16:17] <shiftplusone> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Processor
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[16:17] <gargantua> sorry its been a whiole
[16:18] <shiftplusone> you said you have a pi 2 rev1.1
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[16:18] <gargantua> oh okay I se ethe oneI need now
[16:18] <gargantua> yes
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[16:18] <gargantua> "ARMv7 Raspberry Pi 2/3" right?
[16:19] <shiftplusone> Oh, I see the confusion. We were looking at different pages
[16:19] <gargantua> do i write this image directly to the 128 sd ? like dd it to /dev/sdX ?
[16:19] <gargantua> or format the thing with fdisk first
[16:19] <shiftplusone> https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms
[16:19] <shiftplusone> arch don't distribute images, just tarballs
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[16:20] <shiftplusone> https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2 and click the installation tab
[16:22] <gargantua> I'm just wondering if there is special considerations for sd cards as large as 128gb
[16:22] <gargantua> especially since IIRC FAT has a max of 16gb partitions or something?
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[16:23] <shiftplusone> the fat partition is just for the firmware and kernel
[16:23] <shiftplusone> it's small
[16:23] <gargantua> k
[16:23] <gargantua> just gotta wait an hour to copy these mp3s
[16:23] <gargantua> this was previusly in a smart phone
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[16:52] <modano> Ah lovely didnt know this existed! I have a question, does anyone have experience on using SteamAPI with Raspberry Pi? I am looking to build an app where a light turns on from the Raspberry if either A) A number of my friends are playing a certain game or B) I get an invite to join a game. Is this even possible?
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[16:53] <Habbie> modano, sounds possible to me
[16:54] <modano> I should maybe add that I don't have much experience working with API's and I'm a beginner in python... Would this best be suited in python or javascript?
[16:54] <modano> and where should I start? :S
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[16:58] <Habbie> modano, you should start by figuring out the parts - talking to the steamapi, talking to the light
[16:58] <Habbie> modano, those two things do not even -need- to happen in the same language
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[16:59] <modano> Ok, Maybe I'll just start with a simple test & extracting simple data as how many friends online etc
[16:59] <modano> "simple" ;)
[16:59] <Habbie> makes sense
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[17:02] <akk> Definitely the place to start.
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[18:23] <GrandPa-G> I have an application that needs to be validated against the pi's serial number. I am looking for ideas how to create a product code that could be given at install or config file that would be compared in some way to see if it is allowed on this cpu. Ideas?
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[18:24] <Bitweasil> Hash the serial number with some secret stuff in the application, check against your end calculation. How reverse engineering dependent does this need to be?
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[18:31] <GrandPa-G> Bitweasil:It probably just needs guard against average end user, maybe a IT person who thinks they are smart.
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[18:31] <Bitweasil> If you assume they're not going to whip out a disassembler, it's pretty easy.
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[18:39] <GrandPa-G> Bitweasil:I think whatever I suggest, the developer is going to try to use in a windows application as well. The serial # is a device on a usb that sends its serial number. Biggest problem is that the code might be visable with a simple disassembler.
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> or .... trust your users?
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[18:48] <GrandPa-G> gordonDrogon:there is money involved, the evil that corrupts all of the rest of the world.
[18:49] <Fulgen> GrandPa-G: use an obfuscator?
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[18:50] <GrandPa-G> Fulgen:that is what I might suggest.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> maybe the "device on a usb" is the "key" then ... if the software is no use without it then make sure that isn't copyable?
[18:50] <chris_99> how would you prevent that? if it has to run from the usb disk
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> is it a usb disk though?
[18:52] <chris_99> whatever it is then, if it runs on the pi, how can you prevent copying
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> I was suggsting that the "device on a usb" is the key, so it matters not if the software is copied, without the usb key it won't run.
[18:53] <chris_99> ohh
[18:53] <chris_99> sorry didn't get you
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> but I think what GrandPa-G wants is to lock the software to a Pi - imagine the hassle if the Pi breaks - issuing new softare keyed to a new Pi serial number, etc.
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> I've been in these scenarious before in the data of FlexLM.
[18:55] <chris_99> make the software require the 'cloud' ;)
[18:56] <Fulgen> gordonDrogon: hm, don't you have the same problem with hardware-accelerated decoding keys?
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[18:58] <shiftplusone> Those keys are issues per device, so if the pi break, the keys die with it and don't get reissued.
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> that's an answer for pocket-money stuff, I guess...
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[19:00] <shiftplusone> Although I wonder how that works if it's within warranty
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> you can write obscure code to check the Pi serial number and return a go/no-go message. however it all depends on just how determined someone is to use the software.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> in the bad old days I was not involved with copying whatsoever, but know the right people and almost all protections are breakable. even some of the really clever ones that use stuff like illegal opcodes on the 6502, compute jumps that look like they shouldn't work, execute data as code, write code that doesn't disassemble correctly and so on.
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> even some of the programs (games) that needed a key-card could be broken - the simplest one was to simply find the calls to the routine that checks and patch them with NOPs.
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> then the writers got clever and started checksumming the code, and so the war continued...
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> there's some fascinating stuff online about the old Apple II stuff if you care.
[19:05] <Snert_> Disk Muncher!
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> flexLM (or whatever it's called now) is workable, but "big". (and even then, I knew people who used to patch solaris applications to not require it)
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[19:07] <chris_99> there is something that _may_ provide DRM type stuff in the future, that _may_ be unbreakable
[19:07] <chris_99> https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/02/21/cryptographic-obfuscation-and/
[19:08] <Khaytsus> One does not use the word "unbreakable" when it comes to such things.
[19:08] <mlelstv> it's still FlexLM, but it got competition.
[19:09] <mlelstv> no
[19:09] <Khaytsus> That's like saying a lock is "pick proof"
[19:09] <mlelstv> oops
[19:09] <chris_99> in the sense you can't RE it i mean
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[19:12] <chris_99> the idea as i probably badly understand it, is for example to allow you to process data in a fashion on say a cloud server, but without the owner of the server knowing what that computation is
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[19:24] <chris_99> "Candidate Indistinguishability Obfuscation and Functional Encryption for all circuits" is the paper if you're interested, the first page kind of sums it up
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[19:39] <iodev_otg> well, I'm getting a new Raspberry Pi tomorrow
[19:40] <iodev_otg> as a gift to myself for burning the other one :D
[19:40] <chris_99> nice
[19:40] <chris_99> what happend to the old one
[19:40] <iodev_otg> sunfounder
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[19:41] <iodev_otg> Never never never buy your Components kit from China directly
[19:41] <iodev_otg> chris_99: let me explain, I bought a GPIO 40-pin extension cable, with some kind of PCB that attached to a bread board
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[19:42] <iodev_otg> I think it wasn't ready for 3B+, but the Chinese salesman told me it was
[19:42] <chris_99> ahhh :( bugger
[19:42] <iodev_otg> so when I plugged it in ... Smoke!
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[19:42] <iodev_otg> Fire! :D
[19:42] <chris_99> eek what was the board for
[19:42] <chris_99> the pcb you got i mean
[19:42] <TheNik> To return to a question from a while ago: My Raspi Zero takes excessively long to boot. I tweaked some stuff while using systemd-analyze plot, and most things seem to be fine, but the total boot time remains very close to 93 seconds, as multi-user.target does not start earlier. It might be a time out. Here is the systemd-analyze plot output: http://svgshare.com/i/8kR.svg Is there any way to diagnose why exactly
[19:42] <TheNik> multi-user.target does not start earlier?
[19:42] <iodev_otg> experiments
[19:43] <Khaytsus> TheNik: mine takes like.. 20s before networking is up
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[19:43] <Khaytsus> So what are you running?
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[19:43] <iodev_otg> chris_99: then I discovered that every local reseller stopped selling 3B+ kits
[19:43] <TheNik> Khaytsus: Bare Raspbian. See the image I shared.
[19:43] <TheNik> Raspbian Lite, even
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[19:43] <Khaytsus> Odd. Maybe your sdcard is junk
[19:43] <chris_99> iodev_otg: darn :(
[19:44] <iodev_otg> chris_99: I reimaged the SD card, did all it could
[19:44] <iodev_otg> * I could
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[19:45] <iodev_otg> https://www.sunfounder.com/super-starter-learning-kit-v3-0-for-raspberry-pi.html
[19:46] <iodev_otg> ^ this was the junk I bought that made my Pi die
[19:46] <TheNik> Khaytsus: No, it's an original, fairly new and definitely working Sandisk Class 10. As I said, there is one single service that is misbehaving.
[19:46] <BurtyB> iodev_otg, you did check the cable was the right way round?
[19:47] <iodev_otg> BurtyB: sure
[19:47] <TheNik> iodev_otg: I've bought a similar kit from Sunfounder, and I am pretty sure it had the same GPIO extension cable. It works fine to this day
[19:47] <chris_99> the 3 and 3b/+ have the same pinout surely
[19:48] <chris_99> or do they not
[19:48] <iodev_otg> but after closer inspection, I saw on the T extension that 2 places were joined by a line of solder
[19:49] <BurtyB> iodev_otg, you might want to look at the 3b rather than the 3b+ as it's a lot more forgiving on shorting things out imho
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> all Pi's since the B+ have the same 40-pin connector pinnout.
[19:54] <Khaytsus> TheNik: odd. Dig in more, systemd.. not really pi specific
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[19:56] <iodev_otg> BurtyB: I do not plan to do experiments with this new one
[19:56] <TheNik> Khaytsus: Are there any hints on what to do to "dig in more"? I'm afraid I don't know anything beyond systemd-analyze critical-chain and systemd-analyze plot
[19:56] <iodev_otg> I plan to use it as a ZNC and GIT server
[19:56] <iodev_otg> NO more shorts this way
[19:56] <TheNik> critical-chain gives no more information than plot does.
[19:56] <iodev_otg> plus, this time I bought a Pibow Coupe
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[20:00] <tristero> TheNik: I'd try a console connection over USB or serial, with networking disabled, to make sure that boots in a reasonable time. Then focus on what's happening during networking. For example, I use network-manager on mine, which doesn't block the multi-user target from being reached
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[20:01] <TheNik> tristero: Does a console connection over USB work headless?
[20:02] <TheNik> As I am currently using SSH over USB, and I would gladly get rid of all networking services and use something simpler instead
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[20:05] <tristero> yes, that's all I use (I do embedded-style stuff on mine mostly)
[20:05] <tristero> google for the setup first, not sure it works out of the box
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[20:07] <TheNik> I'll try it.
[20:07] <tristero> from a quick check, it looks like I have "modules-load=dwc2,g_serial" on my kernel cmdline, and serial-getty@ttyGS0.service enabled via systemctl
[20:08] <TheNik> modules-load is required for SSH too.
[20:08] <tristero> might be something else required for early (pre-getty) console messages though
[20:10] <TheNik> tristero: Following this: http://www.tal.org/tutorials/raspberry-pi-zero-usb-serial-console they mention to "mount the SD card". Is the purpose of that to make it readable on the PC?
[20:12] <tristero> yeah, that seems to be setting up an SD card for first boot. If you're already running and want to live a little dangerously, just modify it while logged into your Pi and reboot
[20:12] <tristero> it = /boot/cmdline.txt etc.
[20:13] <TheNik> cmdline.txt and config.txt are set up exactly as described already, because I am using SSH
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[20:13] <tristero> Good, I'd leave the networking on, so you can still ssh in in case something doesn't work, until you have a reliable login via screen/minicom/whatever
[20:14] <TheNik> I am wondering what happens if I systemctl enable getty@ttyGS0.service and reboot. Will I be able to SSH into it again if it does not work?
[20:14] <TheNik> Or will I have to re-flash the image?
[20:14] <tristero> yes, that should affect anything related to networking, just enable a login process on the serial port
[20:14] <TheNik> Let me try it out.
[20:14] <tristero> *shouldn't
[20:15] * TheNik waits through the EXXTRA long boot :P
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[20:21] <AlexPortable> How much can I extend GPIO cables?
[20:22] <tristero> AlexPortable: it depends on the speed (frequency) of the signals you're using them for. Higher speed = shorter wires
[20:23] <AlexPortable> 30 meter or so
[20:24] <TheNik> Wow.
[20:24] <AlexPortable> want to receive 868 mhz signals, but pi is not close enough
[20:24] <tristero> AlexPortable: I think that would require active circuitry to extend
[20:24] <alazare619> anyone here running a raspberry pi as a domain controller?
[20:24] <alazare619> with say failover to another pi
[20:25] <alazare619> just thinking about doing it for my home lab to return a windows serial number and use it for something else
[20:25] <AlexPortable> would 15 meter work?
[20:26] <alazare619> came across this
[20:26] <alazare619> https://github.com/RHeijmann/Avorix-Domain-Controller
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[20:29] <AlexPortable> tristero: would 15 meter work and how can i extend it?
[20:30] <TheNik> AlexPortable: You may check it out by using a single 15 m wire and a signal that would emulate your actual working conditions, and see what arrives on the other end
[20:30] <TheNik> Definitely will drop lots of voltage on the way, but who knows?
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[20:33] <TheNik> tristero: I presume I need a driver on Windows if I want to see a serial port. Does "USB Serial Port" from FTDI sound appropriate?
[20:34] <BurtyB> TheNik, if you're using FTDI hardware in there then sure
[20:35] <TheNik> BurtyB: I am using the Raspi Zero and trying to connect to it as a Serial USB... Uh, gadget, I guess?
[20:36] <TheNik> Not sure what driver it needs and what speed I should choose, though. I cannot get it to work for now, anyway.
[20:36] <BurtyB> TheNik, then no it wouldn't be ftdi and iirc windows should detect it by itself
[20:36] <TheNik> My Windows PC is a bit bad with drivers
[20:37] <TheNik> It's a regular issue I have
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[20:54] <tristero> sorry, I don't use Windows, but once you have your driver issue sorted, the speed is 115200, 8N1
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[20:56] <BurtyB> tristero, as it's USB gadget serial the speed doesn't matter (one less thing to worry about) :)
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[20:59] <TheNik> Would that be a virtual COM port?
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[21:16] <TheNik> Or rather, what sort of serial device would this be? Is it one of "CDC", "CH340", "CP210x", "FTDI" or "PL2302"?
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[21:29] <tristero> maybe this will help: https://learn.adafruit.com/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-into-a-usb-gadget/serial-gadget (at least the part about the Windows driver)
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[21:45] <TheNik> tristero: I am looking at this page. That's precisely my issue, I do not have this driver.
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[22:46] <sware> does anyone know how to fix the problem of a pi failing to boot and going into emergency when another usb external drive is plugged in? it says it can't mount /boot only when I have a usb flash drive in but I'm booting from microsd. This is driving me insane.
[22:46] <sware> I checked /etc/fstab and there are no entries
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[22:49] <mlelstv> with systemd you don't need fstab entries.
[22:49] <sware> okay well I'm just going by the only things I've seen online
[22:50] <sware> it only happens with the flash drive is plugged in. It goes into emergency mode and locks the root account so I can't even do anything
[22:50] <sware> same things happens with multiple drives. This is the second reinstall I've had the same issue
[22:50] <mlelstv> if you mount by label or similar, a flash drive may 'hide' partitions on the SD card.
[22:50] <mlelstv> try to find out how /boot is normally mounted.
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[22:51] <sware> if I unplug the usb flash drive it boots fine. I'm just trying to use pishrink on an image on the drive
[22:51] <mlelstv> yes, please boot without flash drive and look how /boot is mounted then.
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[22:52] <sware> how do I check that?
[22:53] <mlelstv> is /boot in fstab ?
[22:54] <sware> yes
[22:54] <sware> with the partuuid of the microsd card.
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[22:55] <sware> it works totally fine with no usb device plugged in. So what would cause it to try and mount /boot from the usb flash drive?
[22:55] <mlelstv> then I would guess that the flash drive has a partition with the same partuuid
[22:55] <sware> how is that even possible
[22:55] <mlelstv> a uuid is just a number.
[22:56] <sware> but this happens with multiple different drives
[22:56] <mlelstv> but probably the same image
[22:56] <mlelstv> I wonder if you can change the partuuid
[22:57] <sware> the external usb flash drives are formatted, have one partition, and 1 file on it. Same issue happens with 3 different flash drives
[22:57] <sware> they're also exfat so they have to be mounted with exfat-fuse.
[22:57] <mlelstv> and that partition is mounted as /boot ?
[22:57] <sware> no
[22:58] <mlelstv> "So what would cause it to try and mount /boot from the usb
[22:58] <mlelstv> +flash drive?"
[22:58] <mlelstv> why do you think it tries to mount from the usb drive ?
[22:58] <sware> Raspbian is installed to the MicroSD card. This is what it boots from
[22:58] <sware> I think it's trying to mount the usb drive because it says failed to mount /boot when the usb drive is plugged in.
[22:58] <mlelstv> maybe it is something completely different.
[22:59] <mlelstv> did you enable USB booting ? :)
[22:59] <sware> it's a pi3b+
[22:59] <sware> it's on by default
[23:00] <sware> anyone else?
[23:01] <Snert_> I'd do a fresh virgin SD card and see if the problem still exists. One can always fall back to the other SD card.
[23:01] <Snert_> in like 4.23 seconds.
[23:01] <sware> yeah I did a fresh install with the latest raspbian lite
[23:02] <sware> same issue persists.
[23:02] <Snert_> then do it with full blown.
[23:02] <sware> ...
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[23:06] <BurtyB> sware, have you checked if "blkid" shows the same UUID for any partition on the flash drive as boot on the SD (/dev/mmcblk0p1) ?
[23:07] <sware> I can't boot with the device connected to see
[23:07] <mlelstv> you could plug in later.
[23:08] <BurtyB> yeah unplug, boot, plug in flash then run blkid
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[23:09] <sware> tried hotplugging. It doesn't work
[23:09] <sware> the device doesn't get recognized with blkid
[23:09] <BurtyB> then something is broke
[23:10] <sware> ...
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[23:27] <TheNik> tristero: I couldn't get Serial to work, Windows won't find the drivers. I can't find them either.
[23:27] <TheNik> But it seems that multi-user.target waits for exactly 90 seconds after systemd is done "loading unit files". And no matter what happens, it's 90 seconds and a few ms
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