#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-10-23

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[0:02] <FireHopper> me too
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[0:02] <FireHopper> not likely though :( crushed vertibra..
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[0:08] <ShorTie> i'm in MD
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[0:11] <FireHopper> nice, one item could be shipped, as its a cell phone, the other.. eh. dunno if I wanna find out how much shipping it would cost :_
[0:11] <FireHopper> its a 1/8th scale brushless truggy
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[0:33] <kieppie> mic check
[0:33] <kieppie> hey folks
[0:34] <kieppie> I've strapped a 3b+ to an old monitor, sucking juice via on-board USB port, but that's not enough
[0:34] <kieppie> is there a way to macguiver more power to get away from undervoltage issues
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[0:35] <kieppie> thinking I'll hook into another USB port & feed it in via the GPIO pins, but I'm unsure if this is a) possible, b) a good idea, c) how to
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[0:49] <ferdinand> Many usb hubs and chargers can't give the steady supply of power that the pi 3b needs, and the 3b+ especially. Sometimes it's the cable which is at fault. Generally the recommendation is to use the official psu.
[0:49] <friendofafriend> kieppie: Is it that your *monitor* has a USB port, and you're trying to power the Pi from it?
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[0:51] <larsks> kieppie: maybe sticking a ups (e.g. http://a.co/d/1oeLTRD) on the pi would help? I've got a pi strapped to a monitor for use w/ retropie, and I'm thinking of grabbing a ups not for under-voltage issues but just to allow for clean shutdown when the monitor is powered off...
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[0:55] <mark4> the raspbian ISO image, thats not actually a cd/dvd iso image is it? surely its a sd image yes?
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[0:57] <mark4> where can i get a straight SD image of raspbian? this ISO image is going to take 4 freeking hours to download here
[0:57] <anym0us3> raspberrypi.org?
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[0:58] <mark4> all i can see is an ISO image thats going to take 4 hours to download.
[0:58] <mark4> this cant be a SD image
[0:58] <mark4> where do i get an SD image
[0:58] <mark4> actually it wont download. it fails
[0:59] <mark4> not raspi's fault here, its this stupid freeking motel and its GIMP wifi
[0:59] <mfa298> everything on the raspberrypi site should be an sd card img file (usually zipped)
[0:59] <anym0us3> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[0:59] <anym0us3> Aye..
[0:59] <mark4> hang on, going to go get tech support for the wifi
[0:59] <mfa298> that's wht I normally use ^^
[0:59] <mark4> this is intollerable for a wifi that i have PAID for
[0:59] <mfa298> grab raspbian-lite for a smaller (1GB ish image)
[1:02] <ferdinand> The lite zip file is 370MB, full desktop zip is 1.44GB. But lite doesn't have a gui.
[1:03] <mfa298> you cn install the gui after if you need it (which might be easier on a dodgy wifi connection)
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[1:05] <swift110> hey all
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[1:31] <friendofafriend> mark4: Maybe you could use OpenWRT for the Raspi, in your use case. https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.1/targets/brcm2708/
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[9:51] <aurellian> hi all, i have a little rpi setup as a travel adapter (wifi hotspot, music streamer, few other functions). i want to make it easier to have my friends setup their pi. What would be the best way to package it all up and have them install it on their pi's? like would i just dockerise everything (dnsmasq, hostapd etc.) or is there a 'better' way?
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[9:54] <Quackeed__> I have a rpi 3b+ thats mostly idleing, but lately it has started to show a steady green light and is not responding to ssh
[9:54] <Quackeed__> How can I find out whats wrong?
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[10:09] <BurtyB> Quackeed__, plug in a kb/monitor and see what's on the screen if anything?
[10:10] <Quackeed__> Plugged in a monitor but nothing showed up since it was 'sleeping'. Suggested to hit a key to wake it up but I didnt have a keyboard :p
[10:10] <Quackeed__> I'm using it headless so it wouldve showed the login screen for ocotpi I think
[10:11] <Quackeed__> I was thinking some logs would show errors
[10:11] <Quackeed__> Isnt a firm green light indicating booting without sd card?
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[10:57] <chris_99> Hi, i'm just wondering i know tensorflow is easy to install on Raspbian, does raspbian use a special pip repo
[10:57] <chris_99> iirc?
[10:57] <chris_99> for it
[10:57] <shiftplusone> chris_99: it uses piwheels
[10:57] <shiftplusone> https://piwheels.hostedpi.com
[10:58] <chris_99> thanks!
[10:58] <shiftplusone> Just skimmed through the discussion yesterday about raspbian contacting icanhazip? Did anyone get down to the bottom of what's actually doing it and why?
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[11:03] <ferdinand> Fwiw, I'm running the desktop version headless, and didn't see it in dns cache.
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[11:11] <shiftplusone> I guess I'll ask one of the network guys in the office if it has showed up on darktrace or anything.
[11:12] <chris_99> what's darktrace out of interest
[11:12] <shiftplusone> network monitoring service which use machine learning to flag up unusual behaviour
[11:12] <chris_99> oh interesting, something that you install on your own network?
[11:13] <shiftplusone> Not sure entirely. I think they provided us with a box as a trial. Not sure if we're still running it.
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[11:13] <chris_99> gotcha
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[11:14] <chris_99> looking at their site, looks cool
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[11:39] <widp> I tried connecting my raspberry pi to my laptop through an ethernet cable.
[11:39] <widp> how do I get ssh access this way?
[11:40] <BCMM> widp: what are you running on the laptop?
[11:47] <widp> linux
[11:47] <widp> ubuntu
[11:48] <H__> widp: using a switch ?
[11:49] <widp> I tried changing the ethernet connection's ipv4 settings to "shared to other computers", but I was previously running dnsmasq(for pihole) on the raspberry pi, so maybe that was the reason I didn't see any ip addresses when I did "cat /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases" .
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[11:50] <widp> H__: I don't have anything apart from 1 ethernet cable, my laptop to connected directly to a network socket, I have no router.
[11:50] <BCMM> widp: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16040128/hook-up-raspberry-pi-via-ethernet-to-laptop-without-router is a pretty good guide
[11:50] <BCMM> widp: is the ethernet cable appropriate?
[11:50] <BCMM> widp: you need either a crossover ethernet cable, or at least one NIC which can autodetect crossover
[11:51] <widp> I tried the methods in the post you linked, it also says all ethernet cables can work.
[11:51] <BCMM> as a rule of thumb, any gigabit ethernet card should do auto crossover
[11:53] <widp> BCMM: it seems to be a gigabit ethernet controller.
[11:53] <widp> and the cable is crossover too(different colors on the end)
[11:53] <BCMM> then any ethernet cable should work, as you said
[11:53] <BCMM> so what happened when you tried that method?
[11:54] <BCMM> oh i see, about the pi...
[11:54] <widp> I tried nmaping all ips from through a shell script https://paste.pound-python.org/show/WCrlDzIDAIdWoVjvzRIz/
[11:54] <BCMM> widp: so the pi isn't configured to look for an ip address with dhcp, right?
[11:55] <BCMM> widp: do you have a way to access the pi directly? or is ssh the only way you can get a shell on it?
[11:55] <widp> and got all of them as "down".
[11:55] <widp> BCMM: I have physical access to it, but I thought this would be easier.
[11:55] <BCMM> widp: if the pi is still running dnsmasq, you could do this the other way around, so to speak
[11:55] <BCMM> widp: let the laptop get it's ip address from the pi
[11:56] <widp> so set the laptop ipv4 settings to automatic dhcp?
[11:56] <BCMM> yeah. if you have a dhcp server on the pi, that
[11:56] <BCMM> ^that is
[11:56] <widp> I was thinking on the same lines...
[11:56] <widp> ahh, let me try that, brb.
[11:56] <BCMM> i don't properly understand the network configuration you want to see here (also i've never used pihole)
[11:57] <widp> me neither :P
[11:58] <widp> I've used pihole though.
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[11:58] <widp> I think worst case I can always reset the sd card through my phone, that might work right?
[11:59] <widp> anyway, brb
[11:59] <BCMM> widp: i mean i don't know what distro/image you're using, but most of them would be set up, by default, to act as a dhcp client on the etherent interface
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[12:15] <Quackeed__> I'm trying to get tightvncserver to autostart with boot but its not working. I've tried the accepted answer here: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/27676/auto-start-tightvncserver-on-raspberry-pi-2
[12:15] <Quackeed__> created a /etc/init.d/tightvncserver file and pasted that stuff
[12:16] <Quackeed__> still have to type tightvncserver for it to run
[12:16] <Quackeed__> suggestions?
[12:19] <ferdinand> systemctl status tightvncserver.service
[12:21] <Quackeed__> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/tightvncserver; generated; vendor preset: enabled) - Active: inactive (dead) - Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
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[12:23] <ferdinand> systemctl enable tightvncserver.service
[12:24] <Quackeed__> did that, typed in user, update-rc.d: error: tightvncserver Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
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[12:25] <ferdinand> Oh, I guess it's looking at your init script
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[12:26] <Quackeed__> rm the init script?
[12:27] <widp> it worked!
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[12:27] <widp> but now I need the hostapd binaries, and without an internet connection, I don
[12:27] <widp> 't know how I will get it...
[12:28] <ferdinand> Quackeed__: dpkg-query -L tightvncserver
[12:28] <Quackeed__> /usr/bin/tightvncserver
[12:29] <widp> Where can I get binaries (with dependencies too if they are needed) for the raspberry pi?
[12:29] <Encrypt> I guess apt would allow you to download the package and its dependencies for offline installation
[12:30] <widp> Encrypt: but won't the downloads be different for raspberry pi vs my laptop?
[12:30] <Encrypt> widp, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13756800/how-to-download-all-dependencies-and-packages-to-directory
[12:30] <Encrypt> Yeah
[12:31] <widp> so how could I do this with my laptop?
[12:32] <ferdinand> And that's all, Quackeed__?
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[12:33] <Encrypt> widp, You can try that: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/28392
[12:33] <Quackeed__> ferdinand: nah, https://pastebin.com/8ZPPgRmW
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[12:35] <widp> great, let me try that Encrypt
[12:35] <widp> brb
[12:36] <ferdinand> Quackeed__: http://www.penguintutor.com/linux/tightvnc check the adding paragraph
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[12:39] <Quackeed__> thanks a bunch
[12:39] <Quackeed__> that fixed it
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[12:39] <Quackeed__> removed the init.d script
[12:41] <ferdinand> Yep, no problem.
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[12:46] <shiftplusone> been running httpy for a while.... no activity. Certainly not contacting icanhazip every 5 minutes on a default install and claimed earlier
[12:46] <shiftplusone> *as
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[12:46] <shiftplusone> *httpry
[12:48] <shiftplusone> let's see if tcpdump is more helpful
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[13:00] <shiftplusone> Nope, still nothing. So... confirming things and getting down to the root cause before jumping on the conspiracy bandwagon is a good idea.
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[13:01] <chris_99> what is icanhazip? anyway
[13:01] <shiftplusone> just a service that tells you what your external IP is
[13:02] <shiftplusone> Plenty of legitimate uses, but could also be used by malicious software to figure out how to get to you from outside.
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[13:03] <chris_99> ahh
[13:03] <chris_99> oh i didn't notice the 'ip' bit, thought it was zip heh
[13:03] <shiftplusone> heh
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[13:33] <cek> guys, how do you call a prototyping board where instead of soldering you insert the components into "slots"? I'm just looking for such thing, not sure how it's called. Saw it once on youtube.
[13:35] <larsks> cek: do you mean a breadboard?
[13:35] <larsks> https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-use-a-breadboard#building-your-first-breadboard-circuit
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[13:36] <cek> yeah! tnx
[13:37] <ShorTie> and some dupont wires
[13:39] <ShorTie> male to male and female to male
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[13:41] <shiftplusone> or some solid core wire and some wire stripper or teeth, since then you can cut it to length and it may as well be free
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[13:44] <ShorTie> the female to male are nice to get from pi to that board though
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[13:47] <shiftplusone> ah yeah
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[13:54] <g105b> Hi everyone. I've got my electronics ready (LED strip, MOSFET transistor, power supply, etc) and now I'd like to configure my Pi to use PWM to fade the LED strip. I understand that this can only be done from pin 12 (BCM 18), is this correct? Also, is a library required to perform PWM?
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[13:55] <gordonDrogon> g105b, what programming language are you using?
[13:56] <g105b> gordonDrogon: Happy to use any language, but I am used to C, Python.
[13:56] <larsks> g105b: also take a look at some notes I put together when playing with pwm last year: http://blog.oddbit.com/2017/09/26/some-notes-on-pwm-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[13:56] <larsks> (if you're using python)
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> in C you can use wiringPi - there are 2 hardware PWM channels or use a software version of PWM on any pin, or use the pigpio library for pwm on any pin.
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> you can test it from the command-line: gpio -g mode 18 pwm ; gpio -g pwm 18 512 # Put output to 50% duty cycle.
[13:59] <g105b> gordonDrogon: would you not recommend larks' approach of using /sys/class/pwm directly?
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[14:02] <larsks> g105b: doing it with e.g. wiringpi is probably going to be a bit more managemable.
[14:03] <larsks> Unlike my spelling, apparently.
[14:03] <g105b> larsks: how so?
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[14:04] <larsks> You get a single command to set everything up for you, rather than multiple steps.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> g105b, never in a million years would I suggest trying to do pwm via sysfs.
[14:04] <larsks> gordonDrogon: note that his is doing hardware pwm, not software pwm: so just setting up period and duty cycles.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> note that I wrote wiringPi ...
[14:05] <larsks> Yup. Note that I recommened it to him :)
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[14:05] <g105b> gordonDrogon: I trust your judgement because of your work in the field, but I don't see the reason for it being not recommended? I kinda liked the idea of writing a number to a file to control the PWM... I'm guessing there are many quirks with this method?
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I do not think you can actually control PWM via sysfs - at least you never used to be able to - this may have changed in the past year or so since I last looked.
[14:07] <larsks> gordonDrogon: maybe take a look at the linked article? If you load the pwm-2chan dtoverlay, you get sysfs controls of the hardware pwm pins.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> however since, as I understand it, sysfs gpio is deprecated, I don't see why it migh have been added.
[14:07] <larsks> I'm not sure how recent that is.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> ok, so it's recent.
[14:07] <larsks> But yeah, you're right about the deprecation of sysfs gpio. I forgot about that.
[14:08] <g105b> wiringpi is probably the best bet to avoid any confusion down the line then.
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> or pigpio
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> pigpio has better pwm control of the non-hardware pwm pins.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> but if you just want to use one of the hardware pwm pins it's largely irelevant which method you use.
[14:09] <g105b> Yeah I only need one.
[14:10] <bazul> bought a tv tuner for raspberry
[14:10] <bazul> cool
[14:10] <bazul> kinda pointless
[14:11] <g105b> gordonDrogon: is there anything I have to do such as booting with "dtoverlay=pwm-2chan" in order to set up wiringpi for PWM?
[14:12] <BurtyB> bazul, depends on your usage for me it gets tv upstairs using wifi
[14:13] <bazul> i have tv everywhere i need :P
[14:13] <bazul> i just can't resist gadgets
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[14:14] <friendofafriend> It's nice to have a TV tuner on the network. I'm doing multicast with mumudvb.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> g105b, no - wiringPi talks to the hardware directly - it more or less ignores all dtoverlays you want to try to use.
[14:14] <bazul> hmm
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> actuall, if you use wiringPi's spi or I2C helpers then you do need the overlays, but those are the only ones.
[14:15] <bazul> i have one of those flight trackers
[14:15] <g105b> OK, I'll get started with wiringpi... thanks!
[14:15] <bazul> with a small indoor antenna
[14:15] <bazul> but i remembered i have a satellite dish for tv
[14:15] <bazul> can i connect to it?
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> g105b, remember to test it from the command-line first.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> even if you use another library (or language) there is no substitute for incremental testing and simple known-to-work command-line commands are a good way forward.
[14:22] <g105b> gordonDrogon: good advise
[14:23] <g105b> got to get my soldering finished first and I'll report back.
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[14:38] <shauno> gordonDrogon: ordered a pidp11. and I'm blaming you.
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[14:40] <stiv> shauno, heh. he is a bad influence on us all
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[14:41] * Khaytsus read pdp11 and was very confused
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> shauno, Ah. I must finish mine off...
[14:43] <shauno> Khaytsus, it's intentional. it's a replica-ish pdp11 with a pi inside. thus PiDP11 ( http://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11 )
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[14:44] <Khaytsus> ha
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[14:46] <Khaytsus> So this person still worships the pdp11.. k
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[14:57] <gordonDrogon> and pdp-8's
[14:58] <Quackeed__> I have a pi connected to my monitor through hdmi and dvi but I mainly use that monitor for my PC. If I change source to the Pi it will be black and since I have no keyboard I cant wake it. Is there a ssh command I can run to wake it up?
[14:59] <Quackeed__> Or even simulate a keypress
[14:59] <Khaytsus> Quackeed__: turn off screen blanking?
[14:59] <Quackeed__> yeah, that was my next step
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[15:03] <gordonDrogon> is it blanking or not seeing hdmi at Pi power on?
[15:04] <Quackeed__> When I reboot I see the octopi login screen
[15:04] <Quackeed__> and Welcome to the raspberry pi desktop powered by raspian
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[15:05] <Quackeed__> I added consoleblank = 0 to /boot/cmdline.txt now
[15:05] <Quackeed__> not sure if it works
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> just have to wait half an hour to see :)
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> but note that if the Pi is turned on with no hdmi (eg. monitor off or in standby) then it would auto switch to using the compost video output unless you force it to use hdmi in /boot/config.txt - that's why I asked.
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[15:11] <Quackeed__> thats interesting
[15:11] <Quackeed__> that will happen in my setup
[15:12] <Quackeed__> uncomment hdmi_force_hotplug=1?
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[15:12] <gordonDrogon> yes
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> it may subsequently come up in the wrong resolution, but read other notes in that file to set it correctly.
[15:13] <Quackeed__> thanks
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[15:21] <mfa298> That might depend on the monitor, I think if things follow the standards the Pi should know about any monitor that's physically connected via hdmi (even if the screen is off) - that might not apply if you use dvi though.
[15:22] <mfa298> When I've had a pi connected to tV turning the pi on will normally also switch the tv on and set it to the pi's hdmi port (yay for CEC - if only grpahics for PC's could support it)
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> there was someone here a few days ago where his Pi needed the force option, but was coming up in the wrong resolution -ho hum.
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[15:43] <markie-> hello, how powerful are the motors on raspberry pi, i desire to create electrical battery powered brake system for my bike which will stop/slow down a wheel going at 30mph, possible?
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[15:44] <BurtyB> the raspberry pi has no motors
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> markie-, what Pi system are you looking at?
[15:46] <markie-> maybe the raspberry pi 3? I'm not sure, i was under the impression you can attached a motor of some kind, im trying to create a clamping like mechanism but a very powerful one
[15:46] <Encrypt> markie-, According to what you're saying
[15:46] <Encrypt> I'd use a microcontroller / Arduino
[15:47] <Encrypt> Using a "complete" computer to control speed sound overkill
[15:47] <Encrypt> sounds*
[15:47] <markie-> yes possibly
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[15:47] <markie-> it's a very simple function
[15:48] <markie-> but i would need to be able to control it at will with some kind of triggering device relative pressure too if possible
[15:49] <erm3nda> markie-, you should use a motor-driver for them, that supply power to motors
[15:49] <erm3nda> yo should not use Pi GPIO to power most of motors/devices which require much power
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[15:50] <Encrypt> markie-, You can definitely do that with an Arduino
[15:50] <erm3nda> sure
[15:50] <Encrypt> It will consume FAAAAR less power
[15:50] <erm3nda> SURE
[15:51] <markie-> ok thanks, i guess i'll start there then.
[15:51] <erm3nda> clamping? i remember i created a python script to recognize and count clamps
[15:51] <erm3nda> it required a rpi to fun
[15:51] <erm3nda> but, as Encrypt said, arduino can do that too
[15:51] <erm3nda> using a basic mic and some servos. You don't need a complete computer to recognize clamps :-)
[15:52] <erm3nda> claps?
[15:52] <erm3nda> sorry my english is so bad. ill check that :(
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[15:53] <erm3nda> LOL, the m makes the difference, clamp and clap. im so sorry
[15:56] <erm3nda> that's nice that im talking alone ... :-(
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[15:57] <erm3nda> good luck stoping anything with some weight with a little motor ...
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[17:13] <Encrypt> I've just checked the price of a Raspberry Pi today
[17:13] <Encrypt> Weirdly the Pi 2 is more expensive than the Pi 3 on kubii.fr (<.<)
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[17:17] <shauno> I Think they're still the same price from the supplier. They might put a higher price on it because it's a nuisance to stock, but it's not going to be cheaper just because it's older either
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[17:21] <akk> If they don't price them lower, they'll end up having to waste a lot of inventory space because they can't get rid of them.
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[17:22] <shiftplusone> unless there are less of them produced and the demand for them (from industrial users) is still high enough.
[17:22] <shauno> that varies. some people specifically want the 2 (no radio, lower power, or maybe that's just the platform they've standardized a deployment on)
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[17:23] <shauno> I don't actually recall whether the 2 had bluetooth or not, but I've worked places where "no radio" is a requirement, not a drawback
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[17:26] <shauno> reminds me of an entirely unrelated story trying to put wireless sensors in a datacenter. the security guys went nuts about wireless, the network guys couldn't figure out why anyone would bother creating wireless sensors for a use-case that's basically made out of cables & airconn
[17:27] <mfa298> Even a year or two ago I think the Pi2 was more expensive than the Pi3 from RS and/or CPC (the two places making them)
[17:28] <mfa298> I don't think there was much in it between them (pennies rather than pounds)
[17:29] <Encrypt> shauno | that varies. some people specifically want the 2 (no radio, lower power, or maybe that's just the platform they've standardized a deployment on) // Yeah, exactly
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[17:29] <Encrypt> The Pi 2 consumes less power than a Pi 3 and has all the basic components I want
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[17:31] <Khaytsus> As long as you're not adding wifi to it, which would then increase the power, form, and cost ;)
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[17:32] <Encrypt> Khaytsus, Nope, only Ethernet :)
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[17:36] <shauno> basic problem with the 2 is they're not just trying to shed old stock, they're still doing production runs to match demand (and the 1, I believe). so you're expecting "leftovers" pricing, you're finding "niche demand" pricing
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[17:38] <Khaytsus> 2 costs more than the 3? I thought they were all $25 or $35
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[17:39] <Khaytsus> Ah, 2 costs $5 more than the 3. Interesting.
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[18:32] <torchinz> Hi. I just installed raspbian on my rpi-3B. I am getting multiple IPs assigned (https://imgur.com/E7s9QKV). How should I move forward in this? I cannot figure out which IP works in this case
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[18:41] <allure> torchinz: you probably have a surprisingly low lease time on your DHCP
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[18:41] <allure> torchinz: you could scan for port 22 (ssh) on 192.168.137.1-254
[18:41] <allure> to find your PI
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[18:41] <torchinz> allure, how can I correct that? noob here
[18:42] <torchinz> actually, the result of imgur is done on the same 192.168.137.1-254
[18:42] <ebarch> torchinz: also make sure you enabled SSH when you installed raspbian (if you flashed the SD card from your PC, you'll need to create a file called "ssh" in the root of the "boot" partition)
[18:42] <allure> torchinz: first find your pi, then configure it to have a fixed IP
[18:42] <allure> ebarch: true
[18:43] <torchinz> ebarch, I have done the ssh config already
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[18:43] <ebarch> perfect :)
[18:43] <allure> torchinz: gotta go... good luck! :-)
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[18:44] <torchinz> thanks allure
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[18:44] <torchinz> ebarch, actually, when I started scanning (advanced ip scanner), I am getting those IPs for my pi (see imgur link)
[18:45] <torchinz> So, I used the generic "raspberrypi.mshome.net" and logged into it
[18:45] <ebarch> not sure why your pi would end up with multiple IPs. but if those are all active IPs, any should work to connect to it
[18:45] <torchinz> ebarch, is there a way to find out which one works in that case
[18:45] <ebarch> try SSHing
[18:47] <ebarch> it's also possible you have multiple DHCP servers on your network. that could cause more issues than just connecting to the Pi: https://www.techrepublic.com/forums/discussions/mshomenet-taking-over-dns-settings/
[18:48] <torchinz> i tried sshing and here's what I am getting using ifconfig
[18:48] <torchinz> https://imgur.com/ythDCs7
[18:52] <shauno> that looks perfectly normal, but interesting that they're not even the same subnet as the copies you're seeing in windows
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[18:56] <ebarch> torchinz: my hunch is that you have a rogue DHCP server on your network
[18:57] <torchinz> ebarch, I am on a home network
[18:57] <ebarch> so the pi is getting its IP from one server, but your PC is getting its IP from another
[18:57] <torchinz> how may i rectify that?
[18:57] <torchinz> my pi is directly connected to my router with ethernet cable right now
[18:57] <ebarch> you need to find the device on your network responsible for handing out other IPs :P
[18:58] <ebarch> http://tomoconnor.eu/blogish/how-to-find-rogue-dhcp-server-your-network/
[18:58] <ebarch> even enabling internet connection sharing on a windows PC could cause that
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[18:59] <torchinz> ebarch, i have shared the connection! damn, didn't think of that. Let me try that first
[18:59] <ebarch> (also common culprit is adding additional routers to your network that also have DHCP enabled)
[19:01] <torchinz> sorry but I am a complete noob here.
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[19:05] <torchinz> hi ebarch, I think I figured out the 2 ip issue. the pi was connected via ethernet to my router and was also connected via wifi to the same. I removed the cable and now it is a distinct single IP
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[19:07] <torchinz> thanks for all the help :)
[19:08] <torchinz> ebarch, and shauno :)
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[19:12] <ebarch> right on, torchinz. glad you got it working. almost sounds like your WiFi network gives out IPs in a different range
[19:12] <ebarch> you should be able to be connected to both wireless and wired
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[19:13] <torchinz> right now I am updating the pi using my wifi. fingers crossed, I should be able to reboot and login using the wifi
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[19:17] <jlamur> Is core os on raspberry pi a thing?
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[19:22] <Encrypt> ebarch, Hello :)
[19:23] <Encrypt> ebarch, Just a question: are you the one who created the Pi Holder case?
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[20:00] <Quackeed__> is there a good way to backup the entire sd card onto another once a week or so?
[20:00] <Quackeed__> I'm thinking just leaving the backup sd card always connected and ready
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[20:02] <H__> Quackeed__: why on another card ? these things have limited write cycles
[20:03] <Quackeed__> to have it ready to be swapped I was thinking
[20:03] <Quackeed__> I know they have limited write cycles, but if the backup was rare I was thinking it would be ok
[20:03] <Quackeed__> even once a month I could live with I think
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[20:09] <H__> and how do you write to one card while reading from another ? do you use a sd-to-usb thingie ?
[20:09] <Quackeed__> thats was my plan
[20:09] <Quackeed__> but I guess I could upload an image to my NAS instead
[20:09] <H__> and you have no network connection to a server with spinner or ssd ?
[20:09] <H__> oh you do
[20:09] <Quackeed__> :)
[20:10] <H__> then do that :)
[20:10] <Quackeed__> yeah, ok
[20:10] <Quackeed__> but whats a good way of doing that?
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[20:11] <H__> a dd dump once a year and incremental backups like backup2l daily ?
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> use rsync.
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> or rather: use dd - once. just once. to make the image of one SD to the other. that way you'll get the partitions ,etc.
[20:12] <Quackeed__> I want something that I can just move to new sd card and insert into the pi and it should work like before
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> then use rsync on both partitions (/boot, vfat and / ext4)
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[20:13] <H__> or a blunt daily dd copy
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> you can't reliable dd a live partition.
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> really, dd is not the way to go - it blindly copies *everything*
[20:13] <H__> maybe approach the issue from another angle; make sure you can recreate from scratch,
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[20:14] <Quackeed__> hmm
[20:14] <H__> that is what I use, together with backup2l for the data parts that i cannot recreate
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'm OK with keeping list of packages and using rsync for the data, then if the sd blows up, I get a new one, install the same OS, sam packages, then restore the data.
[20:15] <Quackeed__> so dd a live partition wouldnt work if copied onto a new sd card with nothing else?
[20:15] <H__> it will work mostly. it requires an fsck of course
[20:15] <H__> i've done it often enough
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> it has the potential to copy out of date information.
[20:16] <H__> don't have a mysql database running or something like that though
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> don't use dd, do it properly.
[20:16] <Quackeed__> I have to learn much more if I do it properly :P
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> learn about rsync.
[20:18] <Quackeed__> hmm
[20:20] <Quackeed__> I think Ill just take out the sd card once in a while and clone it in windows
[20:20] <Quackeed__> sounds like the easiest way
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> prone to forgetfulness.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> do you have a NAS on your LAN?
[20:20] <Quackeed__> sure, but thats ok
[20:20] <Quackeed__> I do
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> so mount it on the Pi and rsync to it.
[20:21] <Quackeed__> and what would be the process if I need to restore that backup on another sd card?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> you need a partitioned SD card with both paritions formatted correctly.
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[20:22] <gordonDrogon> then rsync the files to it.
[20:22] <Quackeed__> so clone the sd card once in windows and set up rsync to the nas :)
[20:23] <Quackeed__> then I can just rsync the files onto the cloned sd card
[20:23] <Quackeed__> and I don't have to learn rsync right now
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> as long as you can put the sd card in another Linux system.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> or boot the original Pi with a spare bootable SD card and put the blank sd card in a usb reader.
[20:24] <Quackeed__> if I mount the cloned sd card couldnt I just rsycn back the files from nas?
[20:25] <Quackeed__> or is it a problem that its then a live partition?
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> why not just mount all your data off tje NAS box anyway? Then all you need is a list of packaged you add to the Pi. The NAS gets backed up already (doesn't it?), so easy..
[20:26] <H__> brief warning: rsync alone to a formatter partition will not create a bootable sd card
[20:26] <Quackeed__> H__: plan was to clone bootable sd card and then rsync to that card
[20:27] <H__> that will work assuming you did not upgrade the kernel since
[20:27] <Quackeed__> apt-get upgrade updates kernel?
[20:28] <H__> anyway,there's thousands of ways to do this
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> there are no special "boot" sectors on a Pi SD card. It reads files.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> you can perfectly well rsync to the /boot parition from a backup and it works.
[20:29] <H__> oh right. eww
[20:29] <H__> bioses ...
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> it's by far the fastest way to clone SD cards if you ever have to make a few dozen.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> that why the first partition on the SD card needs to be FAT - so the bootrom knows what to expect.
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[20:30] <H__> i've made well over a hundred for a walk-in-3d-scanner once
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> using dd?
[20:30] <H__> yup. only 4G so not too bad
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> but if there is only 1G data on it, then using rsync will be 3 times faster.
[20:30] <H__> agreed
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[20:31] <H__> we had multiple systems DD-ing though, setting up the rsync tree for all of them would have been awkward too
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> I script it. put sd in, run script - creates partition table, formats, rsyncs, done.
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[20:41] <jlamur> Hey, is sshd running by default on raspbian?
[20:42] <jlamur> I get `connect to host 192.168.0.42 port 22: Connection refused` when I try to connect to my raspberry pi…
[20:42] <shbrngdo> hmmm... I've always used dd to copy/backup an SD. not sure if that's faster/slower than gordon's method
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[20:43] <mfa298> jlamur: it's been disabled by default for a couple of years.
[20:43] <shbrngdo> but if it's all file-by-file then rsync obviously faster - only update with newer files
[20:43] <mfa298> you can enable it with systemctl from a booted pi, or enable it on a new image with a file called ssh on the boot partition
[20:44] <jlamur> mfa298: Just a `touch ssh` on the root of the boot partition?
[20:44] <shbrngdo> yeah the 'ssh' file on the boot partition is probably easiest for raspbian
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[20:45] <mfa298> if you're already booted into raspbian just use `sudo systemctl enable ssh` and `sudo systemctl start ssh` - not reboots needed
[20:45] <shbrngdo> jlamur - I think that's right, 'touch ssh'. I read it in docs someplace on the foundation web site
[20:45] <jlamur> I found the related doc: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
[20:45] <jlamur> Thanks guys
[20:45] <mfa298> the ssh file is just a way of making the os do that as it boots up
[20:46] <shbrngdo> right, they're trying to take the systemd pain out of it, heh
[20:46] <shbrngdo> which reminds me, i still need to test out the devuan RPi image
[20:46] <mfa298> I think it's as much to provide a way for people with headless pi's to enable it
[20:47] * shbrngdo always runs it headless
[20:47] <BurtyB> shbrngdo, doing it the systemd way from a windows box is quite a task tho ;)
[20:47] <mfa298> you might also be able to use raspi-config to enable ssh from a booted pi if you don't want to use the simple systemctl commands
[20:47] <shbrngdo> "simple systemctl" - there's a contradiction in terms!
[20:48] * shbrngdo bows
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[20:49] * BurtyB always gets it wrong trying to enable "sshd" when it's called "ssh" heh
[20:49] <mfa298> easier than some of the sysvinit scripts people used to write and have to ensure work on antiquated shells (trying to write stuff that works on /bin/sh rather than /bin/bash can be quite a challenge)
[20:49] <shbrngdo> I got really good at using SysV config stuff, how to make the thing NOT boot into a console, etc. then the rules changed...
[20:49] <shbrngdo> er, how to make the thing NOT boot into a GUI I mean
[20:50] <shbrngdo> since I do headless all the time, no need for a GUI
[20:50] <shbrngdo> so i guess if I ever load raspian again, I'll have to tweek the SD image to include 'ssh' on the boot partition...
[20:51] <shbrngdo> that's usually not hard, mount the '.img' file via memory file system, and whatnot. done it a few times
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[20:51] <mfa298> you want something easier than `systemctl set-default multi-user` to switch to a non gui boot then ?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I have a SysV r3 machine here ...
[20:52] <shbrngdo> mfa298 - the problem isn't that the command line isn't too difficult (assuming you wrote it down sompleace). The problem is the EXCESSIVE amount of time it took me to find out what the command SHOULD be, at the time [a few years ago], via simple online searching
[20:52] <shbrngdo> something that was easily done before, suddenly required HOURS of google-fu to figure out
[20:53] <shbrngdo> over a period of several days. I get frustrated with this kind of thing, quickly
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[20:53] <Fulgen> hours of google-foo for systemctl set-default multi-user.target?
[20:53] <shbrngdo> at the time, yes
[20:53] <BurtyB> sounds about right to me
[20:53] <shbrngdo> as I recall I found it on an ubuntu blog
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[20:54] <mfa298> I think I found that line fairly easily when I was looking for it a couple of years ago, then again I've also been a Solaris user for a while (yes that OS that people often seem to think is way behind Linux) which moved off of sysvinit a long time ago to something a bit more modern
[20:55] <shbrngdo> please don't call systemd 'modern'. thank you.
[20:55] <BurtyB> can I call it "broken by design" ?
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[20:55] <shbrngdo> Inigo Montoya: I do not think that word means what you think it means
[20:56] <shbrngdo> BurtyB - yeah but then we're in danger of causing a religious skirmish. I'm trying to skate around it. That's why I need to try out devuan's RPi image.
[20:56] <mfa298> I didn't call systemd modern, I said that Solaris moved to something a bit more modern 10+ years ago that systemd seems to be trying to replicate.
[20:56] <shbrngdo> ok - I gotcha then. heh
[20:57] <shbrngdo> I should get a copy of OpenSolaris to see what's up with that
[20:57] <BurtyB> heh
[20:57] <shbrngdo> but then again how many VMs can I afford to clog my hard drive space up with?
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[20:58] <shbrngdo> brr... the metal bits on my chair are REALLY cold. and it's only October!
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[20:58] <mfa298> for server type systems SmartOS and OmniOS have a bit going for them. There are some other Illumos based OSes which have some desktop support.
[20:59] <shbrngdo> I'm currently working on making FreeBSD more usable. 12 has some fixes in it (a couple are mine)
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[21:00] <shbrngdo> also working on gordon's library. still need to get user-space interrupts working properly. That was a 'Summer of Code 2018' project that doesn't really work in its current form
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[21:00] <shbrngdo> so when I suggested it a few months ago it was like "there's a Summer of Code projec and a student has been assigned". So I waited.
[21:00] <shbrngdo> ah, well, working within the system always has its drawbacks
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[21:01] <mfa298> SmartOS is more hypervisor than full OS so really wants bare metal (and they're x86_64 only) - they do take some bits from the BSDs (SmartOS is moving from KVM to Bhyve for full VMs and uses pkgsrc)
[21:01] <shbrngdo> so yeah the first thing I did was to take the student's code patches and put them into 'phabricator' (online code review) and then build 'em and test. no joy.
[21:01] * mfa298 should probably stop dragging things too far offtopic
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[21:02] <shbrngdo> mfa298 - using bhyve? nice! my CPU doesn't support bhyve though (it's a 2007-ish Core Quad)
[21:02] * shbrngdo needs more money for hardware, etc.
[21:04] <mfa298> I mostly run zones rather than full virtualisation, zones can be solaris type userspace but also have the option of providing most linux syscalls so can run some linux user spaces as well :)
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[21:05] <TheNik> gordonDrogon: Is a WiFi dongle any better than direct WiFi bridging over USB, though?
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[21:10] <shbrngdo> TheNik - I'd think it's the same, except that on RPi 3 it uses a serial port, not the USB [as far as I'm aware, anyway]
[21:11] <shbrngdo> actually if the wifi were wired into the USB I'd be happier with the design
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[21:13] <shbrngdo> maybe broadcom can do that with the next SoC - on-chip wifi - they DO make wifi radios for access points, after all
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[21:13] <mfa298> the onboard wifi uses SDIO which is pretty fast (can't remember how it compares to USB)
[21:14] <mfa298> although I'm not sure what the context is here (about bridging stuff)
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[21:14] <shbrngdo> oh wait - I'm thinking wifi but it's bluetooth using the serial port [not wifi]
[21:14] <uriah> yep
[21:15] <TheNik> Context, a message from another channel (by me): " You know you are a real hacker when you have a Raspberry Pi powered from a wall socket charger with a modded USB cable that supplies 5.4 V to a 5V voltage regulator and feeds the Pi through its 5V GPIO pin, and the whole setup is being programmed via SSH that is tunneled through USB, and internet access it provided by bridging a WiFi connection from a computer
[21:15] <TheNik> through an USB port"
[21:16] <shbrngdo> yeah I think I'd do ethernet ssh
[21:17] * shbrngdo has a drawer full of ethernet cabling and plenty of extra ports
[21:17] <Khaytsus> TheNik: Or just love pain
[21:17] <TheNik> shbrngdo: It's a Pi Zero without WiFi chip, so unfortunately, there is no Ethernet port
[21:18] <Khaytsus> Or a $5 usb interface
[21:18] <TheNik> I only have one micro USB port and one micro HDMI port
[21:18] <shbrngdo> I just got another gigabit switch, and now have 5 available gbit ports [and 3 more on a 100mbit switch]
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[21:18] <Khaytsus> gigabit over slow usb? kek
[21:18] <TheNik> Now the question is, would a WiFi dongle be better after all? What are the pros and cons?
[21:18] <mfa298> remembers the pain some years ago of running a Pi off some SLA cells on a beach with the internet bridged from a laptop with a 3g dongle
[21:18] <shbrngdo> yeah RPi 3 is limted to around 300mbits in actual throughput because of the USB-ness of it
[21:19] <mfa298> although half the pain in that was lugging the batteries a mile or more from where we parked
[21:19] <Khaytsus> mfa298: what, 7AH 12v cell?
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[21:19] <TheNik> mfa298: Craziest I had was bridging 4G from an Android phone to a broken Pi 3B, and using the Pi 3B to program said Pi Zero through USB/SSH and bridging the internet connection again.
[21:20] <shbrngdo> well, bridging 'teh intarwebs' via a laptop is easier with linux running on it. and at one time, for a joke, I created a wifi access point with a FreeBSD laptop just to see which computers would try to connect to it on a train
[21:20] <mfa298> I think it was a couple of them and a whole load of other stuff
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[21:20] <Khaytsus> I'd say a 12v 7AH cell would run a pi a long, long time
[21:20] <Fulgen> for 7 hours?
[21:20] <Fulgen> (depending on the regulator)
[21:21] <shbrngdo> probably - less than 1A most of the time on the RPi, depending on periherals. at 5V, not 12. so a good switching power supply for the 5V would give you around 80AH
[21:21] <shbrngdo> oh wait - at 12V it's more like 180AH
[21:21] <mfa298> this ws a Pi1 so not as efficient, buut the limiting factor wsn't the pi.
[21:21] <Khaytsus> I'd say unless he's hammering the pi, it's pretty low wattage yes
[21:21] <shbrngdo> wait... my math is off. stupid brain
[21:21] <Khaytsus> Maff. Not even once.
[21:22] <shbrngdo> 80WH - then at 5V, that's 14AH - so 14 hours, more or less
[21:22] <shbrngdo> er, 16AH. I can't do math today
[21:22] <Khaytsus> shbrngdo: They say when you find yourself in a hole; stop digging
[21:22] * shbrngdo digs a bit deeper - huh?
[21:22] <Khaytsus> Seriously though, I bet longer.. again, unless you're really hammering it
[21:23] <Khaytsus> A pi 2 uses about 220mA idle...
[21:23] <shbrngdo> well typical current draw with heavy calculations, around 1A at the most
[21:23] <mfa298> if you dig far enough you might come out the other side ;)
[21:23] <Khaytsus> I doubt he's mining buttcoins on the beach
[21:23] <shbrngdo> in my case, the middle of Africa I think
[21:23] <shbrngdo> or the Indian Ocean
[21:23] <Khaytsus> I hear the drums echoing tonight
[21:24] <shbrngdo> ba-ba-ba-bap... ba-ba-ba-bap... ba-ba-ba-bap... ba-ba-ba-bap...
[21:24] <shbrngdo> (subtle Dr. Who joke)
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[21:25] <TheNik> shbrngdo: Please give us the exact coordinates where on the other side you would come out. We promise we can't figure out your current location from that
[21:26] <shbrngdo> heh - I forget what my longitude is here - I used to see that a lot from doing GPS-related things.
[21:27] <shbrngdo> I'm at 117 (or so) west, so directly opposite would be 32-ish S latitude, 62 (or so) East.
[21:28] <TheNik> Time for some Geohashing, you will not forget your latitude or longitude again
[21:29] <shauno> is that like geocaching for college students?
[21:29] <TheNik> Also, as a European, a longitude of 117 looks extremely foreign and unusual to me, yet I can't exactly describe why. I mean, a latitude of 90° seems much more normal to me than that.
[21:29] <mfa298> here we go, pi (and a bunch of other stuff) on a beach https://i.imgur.com/67NzXvt.jpg
[21:29] <TheNik> shauno: Google it. :D
[21:30] <TheNik> shauno: In fact, here we go: https://xkcd.com/426/
[21:30] <shauno> that'll ruin the wonderful mental image I've conjoured up
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[21:36] <shbrngdo> yeah had to jump through a couple of hoops. looks like the opposite side of the earth from here is smack dab in the middle of the IO, at the same latitude as S. Africa and southern Australia
[21:38] <TheNik> So, if you dig deep enough, you will flood the Indian Ocean into the American continent
[21:38] <TheNik> Well done, Sir :D
[21:39] <shbrngdo> yay! california will have "enough water" without those [profanity snipped] mandatory restrictions
[21:39] <TheNik> That's salt water, though
[21:40] <shbrngdo> yeah, well, not MY problem ha ha ha ha ha
[21:41] <TheNik> I guess it gets automatically distilled as it passes through Earth's molten core, though
[21:41] * shbrngdo wonders what would happen if I dig the hole a mile or 2 to the west - will pacific ocean drain into IO, or the other way around?
[21:41] <shbrngdo> TheNik - yeah only steam gets over here
[21:41] <shauno> there's only one way to find out. For science!
[21:42] <shbrngdo> you read 'girl genius' too, huh?
[21:42] <TheNik> More seriously, my guess would be neither of the oceans would drain (any more than to fill your hole, at least). As they are connected, they are at the same gravitational potential, so the system is already in equilibrium
[21:43] <shbrngdo> well that's interesting, though the earth is not perfectly round
[21:43] <shbrngdo> there's like a 50 mile difference from highest to lowest point I think
[21:43] <TheNik> It's not the altitude, it's the gravitational potential
[21:43] <shbrngdo> right, that's true. that would depend on lots of things
[21:43] <TheNik> And that's the same across the entire surface of the water
[21:43] <shbrngdo> hmmm... ok I guess that makes sense
[21:43] <TheNik> Because water automatically flows into equilibrium :-)
[21:44] <shauno> I wonder what damage water-cooling the planet's core would do
[21:44] <shbrngdo> kill the magnetic field?
[21:44] <shbrngdo> fill the atmosphere with steam?
[21:44] <TheNik> shauno: Likely kill the magnetic field, impart the Moons dynamics, possibly change the length of the day. That's the cooling part, assuming all heat is removed.
[21:45] <TheNik> Where the heat goes is another question indeed
[21:45] <shbrngdo> steam
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[21:45] <TheNik> I guess steam would file a lawsuit, but noone cares at this point. :P
[21:46] <shauno> I guess they'd just stop the whole thing until they figure out where to attach the "trans-terranic voids are known to cause cancer in the state of california" label
[21:47] <shauno> the IO side would be a bit more awkward to deal with, unless it was close enough to australia that they could just declare science illegal
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[21:49] <echoSMILE> is there any guide to build a laptop with a rpi?
[21:49] <echoSMILE> :>
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[21:51] <Khaytsus> Like.. the pi driving a 3d printer?
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[23:24] <kieppie> mic check
[23:24] <woolly> 123
[23:24] <kieppie> my 3B+ is underpowered
[23:24] <kieppie> can I pump more juice into it via 2nd USB via the GPIO pins?
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[23:27] <mlelstv> ever cooked electronics in juice ?
[23:29] <kieppie> released magic smoke many a rime
[23:29] <kieppie> *time
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[23:29] <kieppie> which is why I'm asking 1st
[23:29] <kieppie> I know the pins done have the voltage regulator on the USB power interface
[23:30] <kieppie> lookig to do something akin to the old-school funky mini-USB (?) cables on the now older-gen USB HDD's
[23:30] <kieppie> or something of a similar effect/outcome
[23:31] <kieppie> my RPi's (retropi) is strapped to the back of an old monitor that has (powered) USB interfaces
[23:31] <kieppie> powering the RPi via monitor power, looping back to use other ports for inputs
[23:32] <kieppie> I want to not need to add in another wall-wart - just plug in monitor, turn it on & off I go
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[23:34] <friendofafriend> So, you could also provide power by GPIO with the caveat of not having a fuse.
[23:35] <friendofafriend> And really, it's not GPIO, but just pin headers for the power and ground.
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[23:39] <kieppie> sure, you know what I mean
[23:39] <kieppie> but yea, that's the gist
[23:40] <kieppie> the question is though, can I fuel it via the stock USB port PLUS the headers (using a macguivered USB cable)
[23:41] <kieppie> & NOT torch the RPi (and I'm assuming the power coming from my monitor is "clean")
[23:45] <friendofafriend> Yes, you can use two power sources at once. It sure would be great to have the power flowing into those pin headers fused.
[23:47] <friendofafriend> I've seen a chap powering by pin headers for a cluster, and he made a hat and added the fuse back (with a little RGB LED).
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[23:53] <friendofafriend> Yeah, this fellow at Boise State. Good design. https://coen.boisestate.edu/ece/files/2013/05/Creating.a.Raspberry.Pi-Based.Beowulf.Cluster_v2.pdf
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[23:53] <johnjay> is there a known issue with the 3.5mm jack in ubuntu-mate?
[23:53] <johnjay> i can't get the sound to work even with dtparam=audio=on in config.txt
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[23:56] <friendofafriend> johnjay: Maybe try an "amixer cset numid=3 1"?
[23:58] <johnjay> er what does that do
[23:58] <johnjay> i don't want to damage something
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[23:59] <johnjay> i see full volume in alsamixer
[23:59] <johnjay> of the bcm2835 sound ard
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[23:59] <friendofafriend> Right, so are you using HDMI output?
[23:59] <johnjay> i thought maybe ubuntu-mate doesn't have the 3.5 jack working so that's why it's disabled
[23:59] <johnjay> for video sure
[23:59] <johnjay> i'm trying to use the 3.5mm jack for audio
[23:59] <friendofafriend> So your audio is being transmitted by HDMI.

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