#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-10-25

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[0:09] <johnjay> anybody tried plan9 on raspi?
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[1:10] <larsks> Bummer, looks like http://plan9.bell-labs.com/ is offline.
[1:13] <friendofafriend> larsks: Heh, wonder if anyone's noticed yet. >_>
[1:15] <friendofafriend> I do like the looks of this neat-o Plan9 cluster. https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/a-pi-powered-plan-9-cluster
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[2:34] <wazyrjaleshq> hello guys i think that i bricked my rasperry pi zero any ideas how to troubleshoot it ?
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[2:38] <larsks> wazyrjaleshq: what exactly is wrong?
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[2:39] <wazyrjaleshq> larsks: diodes not lightning up no boot
[2:39] <Snert_> have you plugged/unplugged the usb cable?
[2:40] <larsks> ...and made sure the sd card is seated firmly?
[2:40] <wazyrjaleshq> larsks, and something electricaly shock me :P from board
[2:40] <larsks> wazyrjaleshq: well, that sounds dead.
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[2:41] <wazyrjaleshq> larsks, card working but is there any way to test raspi ? if its dead
[2:41] <wazyrjaleshq> larsks, or not
[2:42] <larsks> I don't have any suggestions. I mean, no diodes and shocking you seems like a sufficient test to me.
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[2:43] <friendofafriend> I'd visually inspect the board for burns.
[2:44] <wazyrjaleshq> larsks, i pluged on power nothing happens i touch it something shock me and we are here :P
[2:45] <wazyrjaleshq> larsks, and little test pad ? or something like this apear near the raspberry logo
[2:45] <larsks> I have no ideas, sorry!
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[3:08] <wazyrjaleshq> larsks, m8 u still here i think that i shortened gpio pwm with ground
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[3:14] <Snert> hook a simple LED to the suspect pin. Make it blink. Not PWM.... just blink on and off.
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[3:15] <Snert> can't do that then she's toast, Kiptin.
[3:16] <Khaytsus> I canna' go any faster, Kiptin!
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[3:21] <wazyrjaleshq> 7777777777777777777777777777777
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[3:52] <wazyrjaleshq> maybe someone got idea what can happend when i shortage gpio (18, 13 pwm) and ground
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[5:13] <slicktux> Hello, all;
[5:15] <slicktux> I will be working with Raspberry Pi and Arduino's; the two will be communicating via i2c. I was here not too long ago and someone mentioned I should watch out for clock-stretching. I am now trying to research it and I am looking fro ways to test or identify clock stretching. . .
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[5:16] <friendofafriend> Dali was good at clock stretching.
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[5:19] <slicktux> friendofafriend: Dali?
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[5:21] <friendofafriend> Salvador. https://zachg8190.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/salvador_dali___persistence_of_memory_by_lutique-d6xapdv.jpg
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[5:29] <slicktux> friendofafriend: very funny
[5:29] <slicktux> XD
[5:36] <friendofafriend> What are you going to be doing with your Arduino and Raspberry Pi, slicktux?
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[5:38] <slicktux> i2c communication for robotics control; Motoce Control Drivers; and useing LiDar and many other thingws
[5:38] <slicktux> things**
[5:38] <slicktux> I will also be interfacing several raspberry Pi's via ethernet cables.
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[5:52] <tnewman> any of yall running android on your pi?
[5:52] <tnewman> wonder how performance is
[6:02] <slicktux> Why would you run android on a Pi/
[6:02] <slicktux> ?
[6:05] <tnewman> tv connected thing
[6:07] <CoJaBo_> Or to build a DIY phone
[6:08] <CoJaBo_> People do that for some raison
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[6:16] <alex88> Hi there, I'm going to buy this https://www.ebay.com/itm/PMS7003-High-Precision-Laser-Dust-Sensor-Module-PM1-0-PM2-5-PM10/371944685494 looking at the schematics it shows pin 1-2 are 5v, pin 3-4 are ground, is it really needed to connect all 4 or are one 5v and one gnd enough?
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[6:18] <alex88> because from other sellers they sell it with this https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/baoAAOSwH~Rbvawx/s-l1600.jpg but I don't understand if it's needed or not
[6:18] <alex88> or if I can just connect the usb to uart adapter in those 4 pins directly on the sensor
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[6:21] <CoJaBo_> alex88: how much power does it use
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[6:22] <alex88> Active Current <= 100 mA
[6:22] <CoJaBo_> alex88: actually, from the pic that just looks like redundant headers; if so, yeh, you only need one
[6:24] <alex88> ok thanks you! now i need to find an usb adapter to use it
[6:26] <alex88> https://www.letscontrolit.com/wiki/index.php/PMSx003 oh here it says `The external circuitry is small, it needs just two resistors and a capacitor.`
[6:28] <alex88> just found also https://download.kamami.com/p564008-p564008-PMS7003%20series%20data%20manua_English_V2.5.pdf that shows a typical circuit
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[6:43] <alex88> oh nvm this seems a similar product and uses only 5v/gnd/tx https://learn.adafruit.com/pm25-air-quality-sensor?view=all
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[6:44] <alex88> so probably something like this could work https://www.amazon.com/USB-Convert-TTL-Multifunctional-Functions/dp/B01CNW061U/
[6:46] <CoJaBo_> alex88: or a level converter; tho yeh, usb might still be easier lol
[6:47] <alex88> i don't even know what a level converter is :D I just play with raspberry for network/software stuff around the house, this is the first time I even connect something hardware to it lol
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[6:49] <alex88> so I ended up buying this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078GV9J1B/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[6:49] <alex88> stupid question, RX of the adapter goes into the TX of the device right? it's not like the adapter tells you that "you should connect this to the TX of the device" right?
[6:49] <CoJaBo_> alex88: level converter/level shifter would allow you to control 5v devices from the 3.3v gpio pins
[6:50] <alex88> you mean, power them? because the device uses 3.3v for data
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[6:51] <CoJaBo_> If the device uses 3.3v signaling levels, you can connect it directly to the gpio pins
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[6:52] <alex88> oh so I didn't need the usb to uart/serial adapter?
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[6:52] <alex88> https://download.kamami.com/p564008-p564008-PMS7003%20series%20data%20manua_English_V2.5.pdf here it says "Serial port sending pin/TTL level@3.3V"
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[6:53] <alex88> so since it's 100mA I could've connected the Rpi 5v GPIO to the device to power it then the 3.3v gpio to get the data?
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[6:54] <CoJaBo_> alex88: If the data voltages are 3.3, you can use the serial port gpio pins directly
[6:54] <CoJaBo_> You do need to enable the TX/RX serial pins on the pi tho IIRC; some distros default it to disabled
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[6:54] <alex88> oh well that's only SW changes, at least with that I've some experience
[6:54] <alex88> I'll try with the Rpi directly then, thanks!
[6:54] <CoJaBo_> For the 5v power, you can also get that from
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[6:55] <alex88> how much mA can the rpi provide from those 5v pins?
[6:55] <CoJaBo_> the gpio header, as long as it's not too much load; 100 ma is well within range
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[7:00] <alex88> CoJaBo_: ok thanks a lot for helping! you've been really helpful! we'll see how it goes when I receive it
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[9:46] <mpmc> Wow, the Pi is a strange beast.
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[15:27] <CyTech> Hi guys! Has anyone developed in raspberry python with remote IDE? Like PyCharm with remote interpreter?
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[15:28] <CyTech> I'm trying use Visual Studio Code
[15:28] <CyTech> but don't have success!
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> why not develop directly on the Pi?
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[17:11] <pwillard> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-visual-studio-code/ ;-P
[17:11] <pwillard> granted... its not visual studio
[17:12] <Lartza> But Code is what they were using too
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[17:13] <Lartza> And that article is outdated, github link dead instantly :P
[17:14] <Lartza> But https://code.headmelted.com/ seems to be alive
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[17:15] <pwillard> yeah, I guess I was just showing it was possible
[17:15] <Lartza> Yeah definitely!
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[17:15] <Khaytsus> meh.. sublime
[17:16] <Lartza> To be honest not sure why Electron projects don't officially provide arm builds
[17:16] <pwillard> which is essntially what VS code is.. yeah
[17:16] <Lartza> Sublime is not open source or even free ;)
[17:16] <Khaytsus> But it's _FAST_ and works great.
[17:16] <Khaytsus> Vs slow and... Microsoft
[17:16] <Lartza> VS Code isn't that slow in my experience
[17:17] <pwillard> electron and all its derivitives seem loosely based on sublime... right down to the inability to print from the app.
[17:17] <Lartza> It's slower than say Notepad++ but not enough for me to care
[17:17] <Khaytsus> Electron apps are awful..
[17:17] <Lartza> Agreed
[17:17] <pwillard> But... I like VSCode because I can "run on all platforms"
[17:18] <Lartza> I mean sublime does all platforms too
[17:18] <pwillard> so I accept the negative impacts with a overall positive reaction
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[17:19] <Khaytsus> I _tried_ ti oike Atom but I was over it by the time it finally _OPENED_
[17:19] <Khaytsus> .. to like
[17:20] <Lartza> I never liked Atom
[17:21] <Lartza> VSCode is fine though
[17:21] <Khaytsus> Atom is so slow I can't even try it for more than a day or two and that's forcing myself to use it
[17:22] <Khaytsus> Slow to lauch, slow to load files that aren't _tiny_ etc
[17:22] <pwillard> yeah... people often compare atom to electron (obviously) but Atom is reasonably inferior.
[17:23] <Lartza> s/electron/VSCode/
[17:23] <Lartza> electron is what powers both :)
[17:24] <Khaytsus> I'm alergic to MS stuff. Don't trust any of it. Don't trust their motives, don't trust their "support", don't trust their "openness". MS does what is best for MS. Always have, always will.
[17:24] <Lartza> Well I use Windows 10 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:24] <Lartza> Using VSCode is little compared to that :P Or in addition too
[17:25] <Khaytsus> Yeah, that'd be like complaining about someone farting while in a sewer
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[17:32] <Khaytsus> Lartza: So does VSC transparently save and restore the session? I tried it once and it did something very stupid with that.. like it didn't auto save or auto restore the session.... or you couldn't exit with unsaved files.. something... Sublime if you haven't explicitely saved a file it stores it somewhere regardless
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[17:34] <Lartza> Khaytsus, It does, though I have lost files I've kept open unsaved for a stupid amount of time :P
[17:35] <Khaytsus> That would be bad
[17:35] <Khaytsus> I've never lsot anything in Sublime. I use it for dev, but honestly use it MOSTLY as a scratchpad
[17:35] <Lartza> I can't remember if it was me or the program though, at least not 100%
[17:35] <Khaytsus> I'm constantly tossing some random thing into it
[17:35] <Lartza> Or I couldn't even tell at the time
[17:35] <Lartza> I rarely keep a file open for weeks though
[17:36] <Khaytsus> I have files open for years on my workstation in sublime
[17:36] <Lartza> And to be honest, I am not sure Notepad++ does this any better than VSCode
[17:36] <Lartza> I remember losing open files there too
[17:36] <Khaytsus> Never used it
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[17:37] <Lartza> That's what I switched from to vsc
[17:38] <Lartza> But I guess it's Windows only
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[18:03] <Liocer> vsc is all platforms
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[18:21] <FireHopper> afternoon.
[18:21] <FireHopper> my phone has lots of views and 9 watchers and one bid :) wish the rc car had such interest..
[18:23] <Khaytsus> Liocer: I assume he meant noteplus++
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[18:27] <ferdinand> FireHopper: Tried some social media rc groups?
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[18:30] <FireHopper> Its big an heavy, so I prefer local. so I tried letgo..
[18:30] <FireHopper> its a 1/8th scale, so shipping is gonna be nasty..
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> FireHopper, maybe you're in the wrong channel?
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[19:36] <ZorroT> so i have a little pi zero, and I wanted to put together (primarily) an mp3 player to feed the truck's aux jack -- what i am looking for is a graphical mp3 player (mpd system?) that will work well on a tiny touch screen (3.5" landzo); so primarily, i'm looking for recommendations on music player packages ideal for a wee touchscreen.
[19:37] <Khaytsus> Recommendation? get a used mp3 player
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[19:40] <ZorroT> Khaytsus: that's odd advice on the raspberry pi channel.
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[19:41] <Khaytsus> Not really. If you were in #hammers and asking how to put in screws with a hammer, I'd tell you to use a screwdriver.
[19:42] <khazi> Hello need help with using sim7000e nb-iot module, does any one knows here?
[19:42] <ZorroT> Khaytsus: I'm here in the PI channel. There are other things I meant ot od with the PI. One of the things it to be an mp3 player that will selectively connect to the home network for a few mintues after the truck stops to allow me to connect and move music on or off.
[19:42] <ZorroT> The part that I am looking for advice on are music players /mpd clients that would be good for a small screen
[19:42] <pksato> no more x11amp like mp3 playeres.
[19:42] <ZorroT> if you don't have anything to suggest within the parameters, then perhaps you should offer your advice on #crappyOldMP3players. Thanks.
[19:45] <Khaytsus> I was done. Why are you still crying?
[19:46] <Khaytsus> I suggested what is a much better tool for the job. And done...
[19:46] <pksato> Also, can use a old cellphone as mp3 player. :)
[19:46] <ZorroT> pksato: that's what i've been using to present
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[19:46] <ZorroT> ZorroT: but I've built a moulding to integrate the little screen (and a camera) into the dashwork.
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[19:47] <ZorroT> Khaytsus: do you just come here to be a dick? is "I got the last word" going to be your epitaph?
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[19:47] <pksato> RPi is a nice device. But, if need to build some pratical appliance, need lots of work and money.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> chill a bit folks. please.
[19:48] <ZorroT> pksato: i found the device pretty easy to set up, sounds great -- i'mjust stuck on finding a good graphical controller that fits to the screen.
[19:48] <Khaytsus> smh
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[19:49] <shauno> ZorroT: this is about the only interface I've seen that suits a small screen, https://github.com/muesli4/mpd-touch-screen-gui (otherwise it's touch controls that fit a large screen, or physical controls that suit a small screen)
[19:49] <shauno> he actually wrote this specifically for a similar project - https://github.com/muesli4/tiny-hifi
[19:50] <ZorroT> shauno: Thanks! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!
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[19:55] <eia1x> Hello! I would like to compile my C # application developed by VS for Raspbian. I've tried using 'dotnet publish' but it has errors, I also added an SSH connection through the IDE (cross platform) but I did not get anything that would allow a pro linux-arm build. I use an additional package for communication with Modbus. Does anyone know how to compile the .NET project?
[19:58] <Voop> i know some of those words
[19:58] <ZorroT> Voop: heh
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[20:01] <ZorroT> eia1x: modbus... as in plcs from the 80s?
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[20:01] <shauno> I'm not a huge fan of "instead of fixing one tiny issue, why don't you throw the whole lot out and start again" .. but you might want to look into the win10 iot stuff for the pi? What you're trying to do sounds like it's entire raison d'etre
[20:02] <khazi> When I was using CGNS(GPS) in sim7000e it stucks won't reply to any command further.does anyone know why?
[20:02] <ZorroT> shauno: there was mono and other efforts to make .NET a linux thing. modbus is an ancient serial protocol, if i remember right -- should be doable with mono and friends.
[20:02] <eia1x> ZorroT: yep :(
[20:03] <shauno> oh I know what modbus is. far too well, unfortunately. I just thought it might be worth looking at since this was the whole reason win10 iot-core exists
[20:03] <eia1x> I've an interface with a PIC board
[20:03] <ZorroT> eia1x: why is it important to do via pi instead of a win10box? how much effort are you willing to invest?
[20:04] <shauno> he came to #raspberrypi, not #win10box ;) *ducks*
[20:04] <ZorroT> valid point. :-)
[20:05] <eia1x> hehh
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[20:05] <ZorroT> a quick search on startpage shows plenty of modbus-on-pi stuff, but i didn't notice .NET mentioned.
[20:06] <eia1x> I tried using the Win-IoT core but I could not even connect to eduroam from here
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[20:06] <shauno> fair enough. I was just curious because I'm positive it exists for a reason, but I still haven't figured out what the reason is
[20:07] <ZorroT> shauno: the nerd equivalent of 50 shades of grey.
[20:07] <eia1x> and like-UNIX does it (w/ some changes in wpa_supp and net interfaces)
[20:08] <ZorroT> so you wanna make up for windows crappy networking with raspberry pi, and are willing to drag the whole .NET with you. :-)
[20:09] <eia1x> heheh, is it worth the effort?
[20:09] <Voop> doesnt modbus on pi require an adapter thats like $50
[20:09] <ZorroT> Voop: there's also modbus tcp
[20:10] <ZorroT> besides, it pays for itself in haircuts you'll no longer need. :-)
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[20:11] <shbrngdo> there are enough open source MODBUS libs out there
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[20:11] <shbrngdo> it's a protocol, not hardware. MODBUS is basically a way of querying and assigning registers and ranges of them via some communications method
[20:12] <shbrngdo> the ASCII version is designed to work over modems with simple character mode stuff, avoiding binary characters that might mess up flow control or something
[20:12] <davr0s> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2tBxmkI04 so this is an intel SBC, (not a PI i know, but a 'pi++ clone' perhaps) ... my question is are there any ARM SBCs (closer to the rpi) which could drive a desktop GPU ...
[20:12] <davr0s> i'm guessing Pi's themselves can't drive GPUs
[20:13] <shbrngdo> for MODBUS, if you're using serial transport, all you need is a serial device. USB to serial things are cheap.
[20:13] <davr0s> (no PCIe)
[20:13] <shbrngdo> there is a GPU for the video, I think, but that's managed by 'video core'
[20:14] <Voop> i had a project that i was trying to swap over from PLC/modbus to rpi. dont want to remember exactly what it was right now
[20:14] <uriah> davr0s: that's a good question
[20:14] <shbrngdo> Voop - a bit of google-fu might lead you to something already written. this is a common 'thing' I bet
[20:14] <Voop> but i concluded i'd need a $50 adapter to do modbus over serial. not sure if my research was incorrect
[20:15] <shbrngdo> try a $10 adaptor - simple RS232 USB doohickey
[20:15] <davr0s> i know you can beef up an R-Pi with a Movidius USB stick for vision processing, thats rather cool (in a similar vein)
[20:15] <shauno> the plc was probably using rs485, so you'd need 'something' (not $50 though, I use https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/p/77/rs485-pi )
[20:15] <uriah> davr0s: does mini-pcie count?
[20:15] <davr0s> i guess so
[20:16] <shbrngdo> right, RS485 is another possibility
[20:16] <eia1x> shbrngdo: ohh yes, I've the code that I compile'n'run by the Win-PC, but I would like to replace the PC with Pi on the bench. I just need to figure out how to pass this architecture to an linux-arm :(
[20:17] <shbrngdo> well, if you're relying on GPUs I wouldn't bother. writing generic multi-thread code might be a better choice.
[20:17] <shbrngdo> I think the use of GPU is highly overrated
[20:17] <shauno> my dayjob hits on modbus far too often. I do wish it'd die, but it's far too often a lowest-common-denominator between vendors who'd rather not interoperate if they can help it
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[20:17] <eia1x> I'm using the interface ICP-CON 7561 to Serial-USB converter
[20:17] <davr0s> right pretty sure 'cheep desktop PC's' would be more economical to drive gpus
[20:18] <davr0s> shbrngdo what about training NNs though
[20:18] <davr0s> shbrngdo i agree that multithreaded CPU code is more interesting
[20:18] <shbrngdo> explain to me this: why is using a GPU instead of a CPU better for training a neural network?
[20:18] <davr0s> shbrngdo because it's focussed on throughput rather than latency
[20:19] <shbrngdo> not necessarily. there are a limited number of things that a typical GPU could 'do well' as compared to a CPU
[20:19] <davr0s> shbrngdo CPU cores devote a lot of silicon to trying to run one thread fast (i.e. for runing compelx software like compilers and UIs etc). Neural Nets are an 'embarrasingly parallel' problem, like graphics
[20:20] <shbrngdo> and if all you're doing is moving things from one place to another 'en masse' (like a GPU would do) I think a well-written application that uses a CPU would do better
[20:20] <shauno> for NN, it's pretty much doing vectors hugely-parallel that makes GPUs popular
[20:20] <davr0s> shbrngdo yes GPUs are more limited in application.. to "embarrasingly parallel" problems, which many problems are not.. but smoe are including graphics - rasterizzing and raytracing, and Neural-nets :) and numerical analysis eg clustering
[20:20] <davr0s> NN's are inherently highly parallelizable. Most software is hard to parallelise
[20:21] <shbrngdo> I suppose it would depend on what you're trying to do, I guess. I'd just write them to be more efficient for the target platform
[20:21] <davr0s> thats the big difference
[20:21] <davr0s> you could have a seperate core for every neuron. thats what the real thing does
[20:21] <shbrngdo> right, a typical graphics card might have multiple GPUs on it, and that's what I see as the only advantage of using them
[20:21] <davr0s> but a compiler? very hard to parallelise
[20:22] <shauno> it's just like how we used to have math coprocessors & FPU coprocs. the GPU in this instance is just a vector coprocessor that can run hundreds or thousands of threads instead of 4 or 8
[20:22] <davr0s> jsut cleaning up the jargon: a graphics card has one GPU , which contains hundreds-to-thousands of parallel execution pipelines, although they are batched in lockstep
[20:22] <davr0s> shauno yes thats it. the GPU is the FPU of today
[20:23] <shbrngdo> ok - that's interesting, depending on what you're trying to do
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[20:23] <shauno> that's why there's no shame in using it if & when it's the right tool for the job
[20:23] <shbrngdo> so I have to wonder how many cores that is [in that GPU]
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[20:23] <shbrngdo> shauno - yeah, no problem using what's available. but when you do, it makes the application non-portable
[20:23] <davr0s> shbrngdo re-iterating: the key difference is most software is hard to parallelise, so desktop CPUs have a tonne of compelx hardware to try and figure out fine-grain internal parallelism actually at the instruction level, e.g. running individual instructions and checking their dependancies on the fly
[20:24] <davr0s> shbrngdo but when you start with a program that fits an explicit parallel model, you can ditch all that hardawre and fill the *whole* chip with execution units. Thats why GPU's FLOPs are an order of magnitude higher
[20:24] <davr0s> adn beyond that there are further "latency vs throughput" tradeoffs
[20:24] <shbrngdo> ok that's fine. and yet, there probably isn't one on the RPi
[20:25] <shbrngdo> at least, not a GPU that you can access. so why not just use the multi-core architecture 'as-is' ?
[20:25] <davr0s> a CPU will give you an answer *quicker*. a GPU will actually take longer, but do more, e.g. it will take 10x as long but give 100x as many results
[20:26] <davr0s> whatever the actual numbers, the point being high *throughput* and *low latency* are different goals
[20:26] <shbrngdo> well I think that would be for something taylored to using a GPU for it.
[20:26] <davr0s> one thing i never used to realise is
[20:26] <davr0s> there's literally different ways of buiding the compute units aronud that
[20:26] <shbrngdo> I've seen how benchmarks are often done. the test is usually taylored to the thing you're benchmarking so you can go 'See, lookie!'
[20:26] <davr0s> i mean at the gate level
[20:26] <davr0s> if you want to build an adder circuit for low latency vs high throughput - there's literally different circuits you can use
[20:27] <shbrngdo> yeah there's quite a bit of effort going into making GPU stuff like that
[20:27] <shbrngdo> then again, it's not hardware portable when you do that.
[20:27] <davr0s> shbrngdo so long as no one is under illusions, its ok. GPUs do not accelerate everything. only a narrow set of tasks... *like* raytracing, graphics, Neural Nets, clustering..
[20:28] <davr0s> yeah the vendor lockin to nvidia is irritating, but there's OpenGL/Vulkan
[20:28] <shbrngdo> right, 'narrow set of tasks'. And so the neural net design was made using GPU as a way of making it faster. chicken, egg
[20:28] <uriah> oops sorry I dropped from this conversation... got involved in ramblings about my hot air balloon
[20:28] <shauno> to be fair, that does sound much more fun
[20:28] <davr0s> shbrngdo sure but the point is can you do the same tasks as neural nets any better on a CPU?
[20:28] <shbrngdo> or another way to state it: GPU arch made the NN algorithms become "that way"
[20:28] <davr0s> shbrngdo GPUs win the tests like image recognition
[20:28] <shbrngdo> davr0s - not necessarily 'better' but that's my point: when no GPU is available, use the CPU
[20:29] <davr0s> shbrngdo it's not really contraversial. Most tasks fit CPUs. *some* tasks are just better on GPUs. that doesn't mean it's some conspiracy
[20:29] <uriah> davr0s: so you want a more powerful gpu than the pi instead of clusters of pi's?
[20:29] <davr0s> some tasks are better in a family saloon car. some tasks are better in a 18wheeler truck. some tasks are better on a bicycle
[20:29] <davr0s> uriah i want all!!!
[20:29] <uriah> davr0s: for opencl or what?
[20:29] <shbrngdo> not a conspiracy, more like "the lib was designed with structures that more or less fit on GPU" because it's really a GPU lib
[20:30] <davr0s> shbrngdo sure, but also *this is the approach that WINS the task: image recognition*
[20:30] <shbrngdo> opencl - I wrote my own thingy to do it "better" because it was putting 1 second latencies on live video feed for no good reason
[20:30] <davr0s> its not a conspiracy to make the GPU look good. it's people trying to do image recognition..
[20:30] <shauno> buy me a cpu that has 1280 cores and we'll make it a fair fight ;)
[20:30] <davr0s> and they find GPUs+NN's win , compared to any CPU approaches they have tried.
[20:30] <shbrngdo> davr0s - great! Now do it on an RPi where there are no GPUs
[20:31] <davr0s> back on topic I really am interseted in a pi cluster.. I have 4 + 4xzero here, not quite a cluster but getting there
[20:31] <davr0s> and i would be interested in finding tasks that suit it
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[20:31] <shauno> I have 7 pi bolted together waiting for me to get around to the whole wire mess
[20:31] <uriah> davr0s: have you looked at VC4CL? they're working on getting gpu accelerated math stuff on the on-board pi gpu... you could use this opencl implementation for neural net too
[20:32] <davr0s> right i'm aware the pi actually does have a gpu aswell..
[20:32] <uriah> yeah
[20:32] <davr0s> it doesn't have to be all CPU or all GPU..
[20:32] <uriah> indeed
[20:32] <shbrngdo> the thing is, video core manages any GPU stuff it might make available. I do not know of any way to get through that
[20:32] <davr0s> but I really like the idea of using PI's as a scale model of a 'real cluster'
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[20:33] <davr0s> i'm into the Rust programming language which makes concurrency more pleasant
[20:33] <davr0s> (i'm writing an engine at the minute in rust on a traditinal computer, but i want to get it running on the pi in GL|ES2.0 aswell, it has run in Emscripten whichis also ES2.0)
[20:34] <uriah> I've actually been working on getting gnuradio opencl working on the pi, davr0s ... if you want to try out opencl stuff you might like the beta of my release
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[20:34] <davr0s> as far as a knew you can't do GPU compute on the Pi directly (no OpenCL etc) , BUT you can still hack NN's through graphics-shaders (thats how GPGPU started!)
[20:34] <davr0s> uriah wow thats nice!
[20:34] <shbrngdo> oh wait, opencl isn't opencv [that's what I was thinking of earlier]
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[20:35] <davr0s> uriah i have used OpenCL in the past, i'm looking more into GL Compute shaders next, but CL is awesome
[20:35] <uriah> ah ok I see
[20:35] <davr0s> have to balance these itches with the pain of platform/API hopping
[20:35] <uriah> :D
[20:35] <uriah> yup yup
[20:36] <davr0s> the other thing that could be awesome on a Pi cluster is some kind of auto-parallising Haskell runtime
[20:36] <uriah> well if ever you have time and a need for such a platform I can send a link
[20:36] <davr0s> uriah i'm defintiely interested to see more , do you have a github
[20:37] <uriah> oh also... I have been asked to start a pi cluster for a local maker space :)
[20:37] * shbrngdo reads wikipedia page on opencl - yeah, a JIT compiler for the GPU stuff. maybe better, maybe not. the overhead becomes the bottleneck.
[20:37] <uriah> davr0s: yeah a very ugly one :)
[20:37] <uriah> can I pm?
[20:37] <davr0s> uriah tahts ok, mine is minimal too
[20:37] <davr0s> sure
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[20:39] <shbrngdo> I've always done minimal overhead on threaded algorithms by breaking things up into 'work units' and just having a synchronized method of getting the next one, and/or waiting if there are no more units to grab
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[20:39] <shbrngdo> that kinda handles everything in a simple way. could easily be scaled to a cluster
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[20:40] * shbrngdo did that for a multi-threaded quick sort, multi-threaded pi calculation
[20:41] <shbrngdo> so ideally you don't use an actual JIT compiler, but rather, pre-compile the work unit for the GPU or whatever. it would be more dedicated, and not architecture-specific
[20:41] <shbrngdo> and no 'JIT compiler' overhead
[20:42] <shbrngdo> so yeah it should ideally compile 'for anything' that way
[20:44] * shbrngdo ponders... perhaps a C/C++ compiler for GPU work units is in order
[20:45] <shbrngdo> [one that could becmoe CPU work units, depending on how you want to solve it]
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[20:48] <ali1234> what do you think opencl is?
[20:49] <ali1234> for that matter what do you think JIT means?
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[20:57] <d0rm0us3> Just In Time
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[21:06] <Khaytsus> d0rm0us3: Nobody called on you, sit down and finish your coloring book
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[21:07] <ali1234> opencl is about as close to C as you can get on a GPU
[21:08] <ali1234> and it is pre-compiled on the CPU then uploaded to the GPU
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[21:13] <uriah> indeed
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[23:08] <rain2> hi
[23:08] <rain2> do i have to use noobs or can i use any linux distro?
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[23:09] <uriah> rain2: any linux distro that has pi support
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[23:10] <johnjay> does anybody have windows IOT 10 core on the raspi?
[23:10] <johnjay> i found the instructions for doing it were outdated. and i installed some kind of raspi2 MSI file but idk what it did on my windows box
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[23:16] <H__> nope, only raspbian here
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[23:22] <Encrypt> rain2, If I were you I'd use Raspbian
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