#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-11-07

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[0:44] <invisiblek> are there any forum admins here? trying to log in and it says "Your account has been manually deactivated and is only able to be reactivated by an administrator."
[0:44] <invisiblek> seems weird...don't think i've even ever posted
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[1:38] <akk> invisiblek: There's a channel for freenode questions -- I think it's just #freenode.
[1:38] <akk> They're pretty helpful for server issues like that.
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[1:51] <invisiblek> akk, i'm referring to the raspberry pi forum
[1:51] <invisiblek> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/
[1:52] <akk> oh, sorry, nm
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[2:03] <X-M4ch1nA_> How can I make Wi-Fi start on boot so my custom script running as a service initiate faster on headless pi
[2:04] <Snert_> out of the box, after setting country code and assigning a static address to the wireless...it starts on boot automatically.
[2:05] <Snert_> so I don't understand why your wifi doesn't start on boot automatically.
[2:05] <X-M4ch1nA_> I mean before other processes
[2:05] <X-M4ch1nA_> Like Wi-Fi first
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[2:06] <Snert_> chips...bus ... memory...flash...gpio registers....tons of thing need to be done before cranking up the wireless.
[2:07] <Snert_> So I have doubts if you can do that without deep diving into assembly language.
[2:07] <X-M4ch1nA_> I suppose ur right. However, I have to login before WiFi connects. I want it to be before login
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[2:07] <X-M4ch1nA_> Just one step
[2:08] <Snert_> what is the requirement that you have to log in before wireless starts? why?
[2:09] <X-M4ch1nA_> I thought it was always like that. Has been for me
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[2:21] <slicktux> Hello all, I've been knocking at this problem for a minute here; but I've been putting it off since I've had other priorities, such as, researching and designing an algorithm for autonomy that uses an 2D Lidar. . .but now the day has come. . .I have to face the monster; Raspberry Pi and Arduino communication via i2c. . .
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[2:22] <slicktux> Last time I was here I was told to watch out for clock-stretching. . .the arduino Libraries are slow to read from the Pi and it invokes clock strecthing, and the Pi does not like that. . .
[2:23] <slicktux> What is the current status on this problem. . .reading about it online and I've noticed that the posts regarding this issue are dated. . .what is the current status on this problem? Is it even worth trying to work around it, or should I look to alternatives, like serial or canbus?\
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[2:53] <blocky> i2c is serial
[2:54] <blocky> can't you turn off clock stretching on the arduino?
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[3:44] <magicberry> hello, is there a way for me to connect an old computer without a wireless network card to the internet wirelessly by using the raspberry pi as a bridge
[3:44] <magicberry> by plugging connecting the raspberry and the old computer with a cable?
[3:50] <magicberry> let me rephrase it because i think it came out pretty bad: i have a raspberry pi and an old computer that has no wifi capability. is there a way to connect the old computer to the raspberry pi so the old computer can access the internet wirelessly?
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[3:55] <larsks> magicberry: yes, sure. People do that all the time. The raspberry pi isn't especially performant for this task, but it wll work. You could also spend $10 for a usb wifi adapter, if the computer has usb.
[3:56] <magicberry> how do i make the raspberry pi do that? <larsks>
[3:57] <magicberry> does that method have a name?
[3:58] <larsks> Not really. I mean, "use linux as a wireless gateway", or something. Basically, this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/42307/using-the-wifi-of-a-notebook-via-ethernet-for-another-pc
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[3:58] <larsks> Those instructions are somewhat brief but cover the basic steps.
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[3:59] <larsks> Slightly longer instructions here: https://serverfault.com/questions/152363/bridging-wlan0-to-eth0
[3:59] <magicberry> thank you
[4:01] <magicberry> would i use an ethernet cable to connect the old computer to the rbpi for that? larsks
[4:01] <larsks> Yes. And you *might* need a "crossover" cable, depending on whether the pi or your computer are able to handle that automatically or not.
[4:02] <larsks> Looks like you can just use a regular ethernet cable.
[4:03] <magicberry> i know it's easier to get a usb wifi adapter for the old computer but i think it's better if i learn to do it this way, so thank you
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[5:17] <CyberManifest> How much is typically invested in a Raspberry Pi given all the additional peripherals, expansions, and add-ons?
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[5:19] <larsks> Seems like it really depends on what you're doing with it. The cost of "building a robot" vs "making a simple ip camera" probably varies quite a bit.
[5:20] <CyberManifest> I think I'd like to build a general PC, to learn coding and such and as a more secure daily driver.
[5:20] <CyberManifest> so obviously I'll need a monitor, keyboard, mouse, case, fan, conversion to mSATA SSD, a SSD drive, etc.
[5:21] <CyberManifest> so far I keep comming in around $300 ~ $400
[5:22] <CyberManifest> but if I wish to explore other projects with it in the future, I'm just curious what people's general typical budge of investment hovers around.
[5:22] <CyberManifest> like do people generally poor in hundreds of dollars on these things annually
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[5:23] <CyberManifest> I guess a better question to ask would be: What is the MOST you've ever spent on your raspberry pi.
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[5:25] <larsks> You could buy a decent laptop for $300-$400 and it would be a much more pleasant experience.
[5:26] <CyberManifest> I have a limited budget and I'm trying to determine if it's even worth it to invest. Especially given it's relative age in specs.
[5:26] <larsks> I wouldn't invest that kind of cash trying to turn a Pi into a desktop. It's just not fast enough to be fun to use. It's great for headless work, but if you really want a development environment that won't drive you crazy watching pages draw in your browser, take that money and buy laptop.
[5:26] <CyberManifest> larsks: first I have 2 decent laptops, but more importantly to me is that all laptops presently are vulnerable to spectre and or meltdown vulnerabilities.
[5:26] <RoyK> a laptop a few years old can run your favourite linux distro without much issues
[5:27] <larsks> Buy the pi if you need something cheap enough that you don't mind sticking it in a project and leaving it there, or if you need to control things via GPIO, etc.
[5:28] <RoyK> I'm using pi3 for infoscreens - have some 20 of them so far - works
[5:28] <CyberManifest> larsks: but I had intended to learn ARM assembly and try to optimize, I'm already pretty familiar with Linux (I'm typing from it now) and know my way around distros such as Arch ... so I was thinking I could gradually optimize it and squeeze the most performance out of it.
[5:29] <larsks> You do you, but I think there are better ways of spending that money. And I love fiddling with my Pi! Just not as a desktop or development environment.
[5:30] <RoyK> the gpu is really slow compared to even the cheapest laptop
[5:30] <CyberManifest> I'm wanting the Pi not only for the security but to learn ARM architecture because I see a trend in Mobile and IoT using that archatecture more and more and it bleeding over into other traditional paradigms so I figure it would be a good asset to possess
[5:30] <larsks> So get a Pi, and a cheap laptop to be your development environment.
[5:30] <RoyK> larsks++
[5:31] <RoyK> you can get a decent laptop, second hand, off ebay for $200 or so
[5:31] <CyberManifest> RoyK the one thing you underestimate is that I'm 37 and grew up on 286 and 386 machines running clocks of 66 MhZ with only 8 MEGABYTES (Yes I said Megabytes of RAM) so I'm not too dissuaded by the performance.
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[5:32] <CyberManifest> larsks: I have 2 laptops already
[5:32] <larsks> Ha! I gew up on 6502 and 1Mhz and I'm *still* not willing to use the Pi as a desktop.
[5:32] <CyberManifest> laptops are vulnerable to spectre and meltdown
[5:32] <larsks> So don't store your financial data on them. They make a great development platform.
[5:33] <CyberManifest> larsks: jezzus, my Ti-83 calc with a zilog processor is even faster than that
[5:33] <RoyK> CyberManifest: I'm a few years older, so I do remember those times where 2MB RAM and 40MB HDD was sufficient - still - modern software is more advanced and demands more than MSDOS 6.22
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[5:33] <larsks> Unless you're secretly some sort of high-value target, I don't think you have anything to worry about from spectre and meltdown.
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[5:34] <larsks> (Or, you know, you're running a VPS business from your laptop or something)
[5:35] <CyberManifest> RoyK, I'm not trying to run or put too advance software on a Pi, I mean if you can't do most of the simplest things such as development then what's the point really, yes projects, I get it but an adreno would be better suited for that sort of thing
[5:35] <larsks> I dunno. If you've already made up your mind there's no point in asking opinions. Otherwise, just smile and nod and then do what you want :)
[5:35] <CyberManifest> the Pi from my understanding was intended as a low cost low powered computation device
[5:36] <CyberManifest> larsks: agreed, I just wanted to know how much $ people usually put into their devices and things that go along with it
[5:36] <larsks> I usually spend a few extra dollars for a case. And that's it.
[5:36] <RoyK> it'll probably be cheaper, and a lot better, to get a second hand laptop
[5:37] <RoyK> but then - it's up to you
[5:37] <CyberManifest> larsks: how many Pis you have?
[5:37] <larsks> (Incidentally, if you're in the US, you can usually buy the Pi Zero W for $5 from Microcenter)
[5:37] * CyberManifest nods
[5:37] <CyberManifest> larsks: I'm getting a Pi 3 B+
[5:37] <larsks> I have a couple of PI 2s, one acting as retro arcade system and one just for random fiddling, and then a smattering of Pi Zero Ws that I use as ip cameras occasionally.
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[5:38] <CyberManifest> so nobody here bought a dedicated monitor? they just had one already?
[5:38] <larsks> I don't think I've ever attached a monitor to my Pi.
[5:39] <larsks> Well, I mean, I have the one being used for games plugged into a tv, but I don't have a keyboard/mouse attached.
[5:39] <RoyK> I have - for development and infoscreens - the latter works a lot better with a monitor ;)
[5:39] <CyberManifest> so you just image the microSD and know it'll work?
[5:39] <larsks> Mostly I connect via ssh and work from a terminal on my desktop.
[5:39] <larsks> Sure. If it doesn't work, I can just pop the sd card back into my desktop and figure out why.
[5:40] <larsks> I can use a serial cable if I really need a direct non-network connection.
[5:40] <CyberManifest> I'm looking at a 19" 720p TV as a display for it, would that suffice?
[5:40] <CyberManifest> someone said it wouldn't be worth it and thinks I absolutely need at least 1080p
[5:40] <RoyK> IMHO running a full GUI on a pi is a PITA - for simpler things, like my "home assistant" or those infoscreens at work, the pi works well, but working interactively on it, really does suck
[5:40] <larsks> Well, you already know what I think :).
[5:40] <CyberManifest> but my argument was that even the official display isn't 1080
[5:41] <RoyK> CyberManifest: if you knew what you wanted to do, why did you ask for advice?
[5:41] <CyberManifest> RoyK what kind of interaction expectations are you having ?
[5:42] <larsks> I think that's bascially what he just asked you.
[5:42] <RoyK> the GPU is too slow, basicaly
[5:42] <CyberManifest> RoyK, I only asked about price points
[5:42] * larsks heads off for the night. Cheers!
[5:42] <CyberManifest> RoyK, also I like to get a collective of ideas before I make a decision
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[5:44] <CyberManifest> he said "but working interactively on it, really does suck" I wanted to know precisely what was ment by that. What specific expectations he had.
[5:44] <magicberry> CyberManifest i'm using a raspberry pi 3b+ as my main computer atm
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[5:44] <CyberManifest> magicberry: for how long now?
[5:45] <CyberManifest> magicberry: you using SSD as opposed to microSD?
[5:45] <magicberry> i'm using a 32gb microsd
[5:45] <CyberManifest> magicberry: how long have you used it as your main computer?
[5:46] <magicberry> 1 1/2 months
[5:46] <CyberManifest> did you invest a lot into it?
[5:46] <CyberManifest> or just the pi and a case?
[5:46] <magicberry> i got a case for it, one of those power cords that have a switch to turn on and off and a mini wireless mouse/keyboard
[5:47] <CyberManifest> magicberry: also are you running Raspbian or something more optimal like Arch on ARM?
[5:47] * RoyK likes to print his pi cases
[5:47] <magicberry> raspbian
[5:47] <CyberManifest> RoyK you sell your cases? I don't have a 3d printer, hell I don't have any printer
[5:48] <RoyK> I once tried centos on a pi - not good ;)
[5:48] <RoyK> CyberManifest: nah - never sold any - after all, they cost close to nothing on ebay and shipping will be rather expensive from norway
[5:48] <CyberManifest> magicberry: do you have a backup computer if you weren't able to use your pi?
[5:49] <RoyK> CyberManifest: I have a creality CR-10S - works well
[5:49] <magicberry> the computer i used before was a laptop and it broke down so i am waiting for the new generation of intel processors to build a new pc
[5:49] <CyberManifest> RoyK may be worth it if it were artistic by some merit
[5:49] <RoyK> CyberManifest: just something I found on thingiverse - I like them better than the ones that came with the pi kit, though
[5:50] <magicberry> i am on a tight budget so it the pi was a life saver for me
[5:50] <CyberManifest> magicberry: you can play music such as from spotify or pandora and watch youtube flicks decently ok with it?
[5:50] <RoyK> CyberManifest: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1415895
[5:50] <CyberManifest> RoyK, thanks :)
[5:51] <CyberManifest> RoyK: that looks pretty nice
[5:52] <magicberry> i don't have spotify but youtube works ok
[5:52] <RoyK> CyberManifest: and if you're looking for a cheap 3d printer, check out creality ender 3 - seems very good for a low price
[5:52] <CyberManifest> RoyK, here's one I'm looking at: https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-83477/l/desktop-computer-kit-with-expansion-board-that-can-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-real-desktop-pc
[5:53] <magicberry> i'm on a 720 monitor though so i don't know how well it will perform on 1080
[5:53] <CyberManifest> RoyK: cool, thanks, I'll make note of that... I think it's logged
[5:53] <CyberManifest> magicberry: perfect, I'm looking at a 720p TV/monitor
[5:54] <CyberManifest> magicberry: it looks ok to type text on?
[5:54] <magicberry> yeah
[5:54] <CyberManifest> I mean font rendering is decent
[5:54] <CyberManifest> perfect!
[5:54] <magicberry> i did watch a movie a while ago and it worked fine
[5:55] <CyberManifest> I think the hardest I would push the thing is trying to run a N64 emulation on it... but I would settle for NES and gameboy color
[5:56] <magicberry> i tested it with banjo kazooie and it worked well
[5:56] <magicberry> fps-wise
[5:56] <CyberManifest> RoyK, but as you see, that case is worth more than the pi itself and then I gotta get the display, I already have keyboards and mice, and I'll need a fan obviously and a SSD that'll be at the least still higher than the pi itself
[5:57] <CyberManifest> magicberry: awesome
[5:57] <RoyK> CyberManifest: perhaps something like this? https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2430122 ;)
[5:57] <CyberManifest> RoyK: that's purddy, but I've never watched a single Dr. Who ep
[5:58] <CyberManifest> seems fitting though with a bit of time travel ;)
[5:58] <RoyK> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2608876 ?
[5:59] <CyberManifest> that looks like a mini power mac, pretty cool
[5:59] <CyberManifest> it would be wicked cool if someone made a LoZ case
[5:59] <CyberManifest> LoZ OoT
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[6:00] <CyberManifest> or maybe an R2D2 case
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[6:01] <CyberManifest> anyone used the webcam with one?
[6:01] <RoyK> seems there are some out there, but couldn't find any on thingiverse
[6:02] <RoyK> with a pi? yes. but only usb-cams - not the one directly connected
[6:02] <CyberManifest> RoyK: here's a cool one: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:309466
[6:04] <CyberManifest> so can the Pi 3 B+ handle backlit color led keyboard USB and backlit color led mouse USB and a SSD USB altogether, I mean is there enough power with a 2.5 amp power supply?
[6:04] <CyberManifest> or is it essential I get a powered USB hub?
[6:04] <RoyK> I guess you'll have to try, or perhaps get a beefy USB hub
[6:05] <CyberManifest> RoyK, were you using a hub when you connected the webcam?
[6:05] <RoyK> nope
[6:06] <RoyK> had two active cameras with octopi - worked well, except the USB bandwidth was a bit on the low side, so the prints weren't good at all - had to replace the pi with a small PC at the end
[6:06] <CyberManifest> but you didn't have anything else attached like keyboard or mouse when you had the webcam attached?
[6:07] <RoyK> I had a keyboard, but nothing fancy
[6:07] <RoyK> no need for a mouse without a GUI
[6:07] <CyberManifest> what model PI was this?
[6:07] <CyberManifest> so no GUI for your webcam :/ ?
[6:07] <RoyK> first pi2, then pi3, pi3+ wasn't out
[6:08] <RoyK> CyberManifest: it was setup to do streaming
[6:08] <RoyK> live streaming of the 3d print
[6:08] <CyberManifest> direct streaming
[6:08] <CyberManifest> Oh cool
[6:10] <CyberManifest> I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and just get it; but I'll hold off on the fancy keyboard and mouse for now since what I have should suffice
[6:10] <RoyK> quite handy if a print goes wrong, and with that wanhao i3 plus, things goes wrong if you cough half a block away
[6:11] <CyberManifest> wondering now if the SSD I have in mine is too much... 250GB also was looking at some cheep 64GB but I figure might as well get it once and not worry about it
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[6:13] <CyberManifest> RoyK, the material for 3D printers very high? comperable to ink and paper for a typical traditional printer? Sorry, I'm not the least bit familiar with them... only acquainted by name
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[6:13] <CyberManifest> never so much as even been around one
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[6:14] <CyberManifest> also do they generally come with some type of CAD software; or how are designs made?
[6:16] <CyberManifest> magicberry: no stutter or skip on YouTube playback?
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[6:18] <CyberManifest> so without a monitor, mouse or keyboard, I could get a decent regular desktop vulnerable to spectre exploit for around the same price $400 https://www.techspot.com/guides/buying/page2.html
[6:19] <CyberManifest> significantly better performance, obviously, but less secure :/
[6:20] <CyberManifest> makes me feel pi accessories are a bit inflated
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[10:11] <Alish> I have raspberrypi 3b. and just installed an image from downloads page, raspbian stretch lite. I currently have no hdmi. Can someone guide me how to enable ssh? Does this image has systemd or something else? I also came to know about putting a file in boot partititon.
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[10:16] <Alish> I have raspberrypi 3b. and just installed an image from downloads page, raspbian stretch lite. I currently have no hdmi. Can someone guide me how to enable ssh? Does this image has systemd or something else? I also came to know about putting a file in boot partititon.
[10:19] <Ben64> have you checked https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/
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[10:31] <ShorTie> just need a blank file called 'ssh' in the boot partition to enable
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[13:52] <shiftplusone> Would somebody happen to know whether GCC ever emits any NEON instructions when arm_neon.h isn't used?
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[13:52] <shiftplusone> I'm guessing if you have --mfpu=neon, it would, but haven't verified.
[13:53] <waveform> shiftplusone, I can't confirm but I can mention that (almost) everything on piwheels is compiled on ARMv7 boxes then copied (actually symlinked) over for ARMv6 and so far we haven't had any complaints about that
[13:54] <shiftplusone> waveform: are those boxes running raspbian?
[13:54] <waveform> yup
[13:54] <waveform> the only exceptions are OpenCV, which I compile manually offline in separate v6 and v7 versions specifically so the v7 ones get NEON support
[13:54] <waveform> (which requires various configuration options in the build)
[13:55] <shiftplusone> raspbian's gcc toolchain will automatically build for armv6 unless specifically told otherwise. Are you sure it's not just that?
[13:55] <waveform> could well be - I assume mythic's raspbian distro is the same as upstreams there
[13:56] <ShorTie> i don't have --mfpu=neon as a option for GCC, but can enable and redo for you on this rpi3 if you want
[13:57] <shiftplusone> Nuh, not that important. Was just wondering if anybody knew off the top of their head.
[13:57] <ShorTie> good, it takes a day for a redo, lol.
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[15:24] <aro> has anyone used a waveshare device? is there a way to get a status of the module? like if it is turned on or not
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[15:38] <TadDancer> Hello everyone. I'm trying to read data from a smartcard with a USB reader. I installed the necessary packages and am able to connect to the card and can read the ATR. (Using python-pyscard) Now I want to go further. There is a token on the card containing a certificate for windows login. If I could access the username CN of that certificate, I'd have everything I need, I am just really
[15:38] <TadDancer> confused about the APDU syntax.. Does anyone have any experience in the field?
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[15:40] <TadDancer> Even the caption of the token container would be really helpful, I could work with that in a worst case scenario.
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[16:01] <ferdinand> Accessing certificates on smartcards is usually done with the pkcs#11 api.
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[16:06] <TadDancer> Can that api read from the card right away? I would have expected it to be able to read files, not on cards, but I might be wrong?
[16:06] <TadDancer> The token on the card is PKCS#15 - does that change things?
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[16:12] <Alish> well, I just installed i3-wm on raspberrypi 3 and vncserver. I have xinit. when I connect through vnc viewer, I can't see my desktop. How can I use my wm through vnc? should I have to install some other login manager ?
[16:14] <charlton> Make sure you actually validate the cert, as well (if you’re concerned about security)
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[16:22] <Alish> well, I just installed i3-wm on raspberrypi 3 and vncserver. I have xinit. when I connect through vnc viewer, I can't see my desktop. How can I use my wm through vnc? should I have to install some other login manager ?
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[16:28] <aro> is there a way to run a script only on power on? I have a script that toggles a hat from being enabled or disabled. When I enable it on boot and reboot, it disables it!
[16:30] <Khaytsus> aro: sure, cron has a onreboot .... target, if you will
[16:30] <Khaytsus> or rc.local
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[16:32] <aro> that will run every boot
[16:32] <aro> i need it to only run on initial start
[16:32] <aro> or i need to make all reboots cold ones
[16:35] <larsks> I'm not sure there's any way to differentiate "reboot" from "cold start".
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[16:37] <BurtyB> can you detect if the hat is enabled from a script and only enable it again if it needs it - or depending on what enable really means just do it again anyway?
[16:37] <Alish> well, I'm new to raspbian and also I don't use debian. but I think systemd timers are much better than cron
[16:38] <BurtyB> *shudder*
[16:38] <Alish> Just installed raspbian today and I had to enable ssh using an ssh file from boot parttition :-D
[16:38] <Alish> so newb I'm
[16:39] <hodapp> aro: so, the hat is always disabled at power-on?a
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> the /boot/ssh thing is the way it is now. been that way for a few years.
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> why doesn't the hat have an eeprom?
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> no eeprom -> no drivers loaded.
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[16:48] <Error451> just assembled my Hifiberry DAC+ Pro kit
[16:48] <Error451> \o/
[16:48] <ferdinand> TadDancer: That's a different api, but if that's all your smartcard supports, it might do what you want. You could try opensc, it has the api support that you'd need, more so than pyscard, as I understand it.
[16:49] <TadDancer> Yeah, I am on that right now. OpenSC does not support my card in the apt version though. Compiling the most recent one right now
[16:50] <TadDancer> But you did point me into the right direction I guess. Thank you! I think pyscard is one step more "low-level" - I could just pass the byte arrays and retrieve my information. But that's the problem - I don't know what these byte arrays need to contain
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[16:52] <TadDancer> The alternative to the smartcard would be to use the rfid in the card - but I wasn't really able to get anything more from that besides the card id, and that's not enough as far as I found out. (Because they're not even necessarily unique)
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[16:53] <TadDancer> But back to the original subject: OpenSC would actually be amazing - if I can get it to read my card, that would have everything I need and more.
[16:56] <ferdinand> I haven't used pyscard, but what I saw searching just now does make it seem more low level than what you wanted. Different smartcards are usually slightly different at the hardware level in ways that you'd have to reverse engineer with such low level access.
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[16:57] <TadDancer> Exactly. Even though I can control what smartcards will be used in my application - even just that one standard would have to be reverse engineered, or I'd have to find a driver (which i haven't)
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[17:07] <TadDancer> sadly, the card still is not supported
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[20:03] <__Myst__> Ies there any way to run x864_64 software on a raspberry pi?
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[20:06] <Fulgen> __Myst__: qemu
[20:06] <Fulgen> Do you want that? no
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[20:07] <__Myst__> Fulgen: isn't qemu a full-on vm?
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[20:08] <Fulgen> yes
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[20:08] <chartreuse> If it's open-source then you could always compile from source if it's not in your package manager
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[20:13] <__Myst__> sadly it's only distributed as a binary executable
[20:14] <__Myst__> is there no "interpreter"?
[20:15] <Fulgen> an interpreter for completely different CPU instructions? yes
[20:15] <Fulgen> qmeu
[20:15] <Fulgen> *qemu
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[20:16] <chartreuse> It only runs 32-bit x86, but I found this commercial offering https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/
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[20:30] <BCMM> Fulgen: qemu is a full-on VM, *amongst other things*
[20:30] <BCMM> sorry wrong highlight
[20:32] <BCMM> __Myst__: qemu is a full-on VM, *amongst other things*. there is also qemu-user, where qemu emulates your desired cpu architecture for a single process, with system calls and so on going to the host kernel
[20:32] <BCMM> performance will, of course, be hilariously bad, but there are applications for which that doesn't matter
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[20:37] <BCMM> chartreuse: i don't believe that's correct, unless the `qemu-x86_64` command does something radically different from what i expected
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[21:09] <__Myst__> BCMM: ooh
[21:09] <__Myst__> BCMM: is performance *too* bad?
[21:09] <__Myst__> as in, is it still faster than network?
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[21:33] <BCMM> __Myst__: well, depends on where the application spends resources...
[21:33] <BCMM> __Myst__: by "network", do you mean remote desktop?
[21:35] <__Myst__> BCMM: no, this is a game server
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[21:41] <Maxoul> Hi everybody, I want to use my Raspberry Pi 1 B as a SWD flasher for an STM32F4 chip but it looks like the whole internet have forgot this model... I can't even find the pins I must use, any idea ?
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[21:45] <wasutton3> im working with a pi3b running raspbian lite. I'm trying to have it act as a router of sorts for an offline project.
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[21:46] <wasutton3> that means i need it to hand out dhcp addresses over wifi AND over the ethernet connection
[21:46] <wasutton3> I've got the wifi side of things working fine (with isc-dhcp-server and bind9), but i'm not sure how to get the wired side working
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[21:49] <ring0> Maxoul, https://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[21:51] <Maxoul> ring0: this is pretty nice thanks, but not infos on SWD :/
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[22:02] <BurtyB> Maxoul, I'd imagine you want openocd but I used it with the samd21 and followed the adafruit guide - don't know if that would help you though
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[22:17] <Maxoul> BurtyB: did the same :/
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[22:52] <ring0> Maxoul, do you depend on SWD?
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[23:06] <Rickta59> I routinely use rpi as a networked openocd probe
[23:06] <Rickta59> rpi 2 actually
[23:07] <Rickta59> seems like Maxoul left though
[23:07] <Rickta59> /home/pi/bin/openocd -d2 -f interface/raspberrypi2-native.cfg -c 'reset_config none combined' -c 'transport select swd' -f target/stm32f4x.cfg -c 'bindto 0.0.0.0'
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[23:08] <Rickta59> then you can connect to it from any machine on your network
[23:09] <Rickta59> today i was actually trying to get a hacked version of openocd working with an esp8266 using the rpi as a jtag probe
[23:09] <Rickta59> seems like that is less likely to work though .. i'm still trying to figure out the proper way to deal with the reset pin
[23:09] <ring0> Maxoul, if you were using JTAG you could directly use openOCD, which features interface/raspberrypi-native.cfg and target/stm32f4x.cfg. SWD is only present for raspberry2
[23:09] <Rickta59> he is gone ring0
[23:09] <ring0> well, he left ;)
[23:10] <Rickta59> what does that mean though ring0 ?
[23:10] <Rickta59> SWD is only present for rpi2?
[23:12] <ring0> openOCD does not feature SWD in the default config for raspberrypi 1. according to the contents of interface/raspberrypi-native.cfg
[23:12] <Rickta59> this is what is compiled into the binary or do you mean there is some hardware issue?
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[23:13] <Rickta59> openocd lets you put the swd pin anywhere you want
[23:14] <Rickta59> -c 'bcm2835gpio_swd_nums 20 21'
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[23:14] <ring0> the SoC is the same, so no hw issue. there is just no default config in the cfg file
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[23:14] <Rickta59> i compiled the latest one ... so that provides interface for both rpi1 and rpi2
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[23:15] <ring0> the cfg file does not get compiled…
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[23:16] <Rickta59> yes ... but compiling and installing puts the interface/rasp*.cfg into the scripts directory
[23:16] <Rickta59> pi$ ls ~/share/openocd/scripts/interface/ra*
[23:16] <Rickta59> /home/pi/share/openocd/scripts/interface/raspberrypi2-native.cfg
[23:16] <Rickta59> /home/pi/share/openocd/scripts/interface/raspberrypi-native.cfg
[23:17] <ring0> correct, but raspberrypi-native.cfg does not have SWD pins defined, while the raspberrypi2-native.cfg does.
[23:18] <Rickta59> # Each of the SWD lines need a gpio number set: swclk swdio
[23:18] <ring0> of course you can set your pins of choice as you said ;)
[23:18] <Rickta59> # Header pin numbers: 23 22
[23:18] <Rickta59> bcm2835gpio_swd_nums 11 25
[23:18] <Rickta59> that is in there
[23:18] <Rickta59> https://github.com/ntfreak/openocd/blob/master/tcl/interface/raspberrypi-native.cfg#L26
[23:19] <ring0> weird. mine must be old then
[23:20] <Rickta59> it has been in there since dec 31st, 2016
[23:20] <Rickta59> sorry aug 5,2015
[23:20] <Rickta59> https://github.com/ntfreak/openocd/commits/master/tcl/interface/raspberrypi-native.cfg
[23:20] <Rickta59> oh i was right the first time .. 2016
[23:21] <ring0> I see, had openocd not openocd-git installed. my bad
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