#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-11-11

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[1:08] <Jigsy> Is there any way to play DOOM on an RPi?
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[1:20] <BurtyB> Jigsy, looks like google has the answer to that one
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[1:45] <CyberManifest> I looked around the official raspberry pi website, but I seem to be having trouble trying to find information pertaining to Raspbian's official bit architecture. I'm assuming it's 32 bit; which is confusing to me because isn't the processor in the Pi B 3+ a 64 bit processor?
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[1:47] <FireHopper> hrmm
[1:47] <FireHopper> I think its 32bit.
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[1:48] <FireHopper> dont know for sure though.. dun wanna fire up my rpi 3b to find out
[1:48] <CyberManifest> FireHopper: me too but I would appreciate an official validation by a link
[1:48] <CyberManifest> I'm waiting on parts for mine
[1:48] <phinxy> CyberManifest: definetly 32-bit because there is no benefit of 64-bit with only 1GB RAM
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[1:49] <CyberManifest> phinxy: so then why use a 64 bit processor?
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[1:50] <FireHopper> I have mine hooked up to a offical touch screen, + a adafruit 64x64 led matrix+ bonnet to controll it
[1:50] <CyberManifest> since it is 64 bit and the OS is 32 bit could one theoretically set up dual threads per core so thus 4 actual cores and 4 virtual cores through virtual threads?
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[1:51] <FireHopper> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdCUd-NsotM&t=59s < not rpi but neat anyway :)
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[2:10] <mfa298> CyberManifest: the pi3 is 64 bit capable, but the rpf folks only support a 32 bit os image thats compatible with all models of pi
[2:10] <mfa298> the pi3 SoC is still an upgrade from the previous ones even in 32 bit mode
[2:11] <CyberManifest> mfa298: that's my understanding... but why make the pi3 64 bit capable since it only has 1 GB of RAM and the OS is 32 bit?
[2:11] <mfa298> there are some non raspbian 64 bit imges but some things may not work
[2:12] <mfa298> CyberManifest: because there are certain cpu cores available to use and the a53 in 32 bit mode is still better than the other options.
[2:12] <CyberManifest> why run an alternative 64 bit OS when it only has 1 GB or RAM and is thus less efficient than 32 bit OS ?
[2:13] <CyberManifest> mfa298, and upgraded RAM is a better option than a half used processor
[2:16] <mfa298> some bits of (badly writtten?) software need a 64 bit os. and for certin tasks a 64 bit os might be faster
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[2:17] <mfa298> but overal for the majority of users a 32bit os is fine
[2:17] <mfa298> there's several long threds on the forum you can read if you want lots more detail
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[2:36] <CyberManifest> mfa298: ASUS tinker board is reflective of that
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[2:36] <CyberManifest> or Rock64's boards
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[2:44] <CyberManifest> will Rasbian be getting Debian's just released updates to address security and such?
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[4:44] <ap4lmtree> hi
[4:44] <ap4lmtree> does rasberrypi os use stretch or jessie now?
[4:45] <ap4lmtree> stretch
[4:45] <larsks> Right.
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[7:23] <Rangar> hi folk, desp. trying to get a 3.5" LCD working on the Pi, tried a number of LCD-show drivers but I'm just not winning, anyone have any suggestions?
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[8:09] <crowley95> Rangar: Does it have a controller or is it just a bare LCD?
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[8:19] <iodev> crowley95: I recommend the display-o-tron if you want a simple LCD to put on top of your pi
[8:19] <iodev> (the HAT edition)
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[8:40] <Rangar> crowley: not sure.. how do I tell?
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[11:11] <Brian1001> hi everyone , i wonder if someone here has experience with the RP3+ (and using it as a DVR/NVR recorder for a few IP camera's) i think it lacks too much processor power?
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[11:12] <Ben64> idk about cpu, but i would think you'd hit the limit of io first
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[11:15] <Brian1001> yes i think you're right ...
[11:15] <Fulgen> Ben64: you can try attaching an IDE drive to the GPIO pins .
[11:15] <Fulgen> or just use an external USB HDD
[11:15] <Brian1001> i just saw that it has USB 2.0
[11:15] <Brian1001> i thought it had 3.0
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[11:28] <mfa298> Fulgen: you could (the ide drive to gpio) but the only result might be smoke
[11:29] <Fulgen> mfa298: https://github.com/fenlogic/IDE_trial
[11:29] <Ben64> ha
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[11:34] <gordonDrogon> also note thant "IP Camera" - that's ethernet which is over USB on the Pi and external USB drive is also, er, USB and there is only one USB channel on the Pi ..
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[11:35] <mfa298> Fulgen: your initial comment implies tht you could just connect the together (both 40 pin interfaces) and it would work which certinly wont work
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> although if the cameras were Wi-Fi and you use a 3b+ then you'll unlock that bottleneck.
[11:35] <Fulgen> mfa298: touché :(
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> looking at Gerts stuff - even if you did get an IDE interface going, then unless you use dma it'll run at least one core flat-out just pushing data down it by the looks of it.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> interesting idea though.
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[12:10] <jancoow> Hi guys. I'm using a raspberry pi with a small 3.5" screen already for.. years? as weather station. It mostly works fine, however after some months (I think al ready 4 times now) the pi shuts of or corrupts
[12:10] <jancoow> mostly sd card corruption
[12:10] <jancoow> I want to prevent that because it's kinda annoying
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> is the sd card toast, or does a re-install fix it up again?
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[12:11] <jancoow> The raspberry pi is only displaying a webpage all the time, that's all. So I would like to make it a read only OS so the sd card don't get written al the time
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> also - if using a 32-bit counter to count milliseconds, then it wraps after 49 days.
[12:11] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: uhm. Mostly plugging the sd card into my pc and run a fsck fixed it
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[12:12] <jancoow> this time not. Dunno what's going on now. I'm gonna write a backup img back to it and hope that it fixes it again :P
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[12:12] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: oh. It don't use a timer at all. It just displays a webpage
[12:13] <jancoow> but would it be possible to make the OS read only?
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I have a couple of Pi's that run 24/7 that don't see this - however while standard raspbian (jessie) I've made sure that they don't write anything to the SD that they don't need to - so no system logs, and some other logging stuff is written to /tmp which is ramfs
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> there are several articles online about making root read only, and even running it entirely from ram, so it's possible.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> but SD corruption like that- check your power supply...
[12:14] <jancoow> yeah but most articles say it won't work with x-server running
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> then don't run X ..
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> oh wait - you're running the browser on the Pi, not the server?
[12:15] <jancoow> yes
[12:15] <jancoow> the pi just displays data collected by my home automation system
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I don't see why you can't run X with a read-only root though - it does try to log stuff, maybe that's it.
[12:17] <jancoow> yeah me neither
[12:18] <jancoow> I've to try it I guess. but I hoped someone already did that and could point me in the right direction
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> you could e.g. keep a shadow /home, then at boot time create a small ramdisk for /home and copy /shadowhome into /home then start X, etc.
[12:18] <jancoow> which ramfs directories would you suggest ?
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I'd stop logging - remove rsyslog and work out how to tell systemd to shutup. then just /home
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> but I've never used systemd, nor have I created a read-only root filesystem.
[12:19] <jancoow> haha
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm more thinking the issues are to do with power than a software crash.
[12:20] <jancoow> i'm stuck with raspbian because of the display drivers for this particular display tho
[12:20] <jancoow> so that's kinda annoying
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I used raspbian without systemd, however that may not appeal.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> in any case that's probably not an/the issue.
[12:21] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: oh yeah power supply is kinda bad. When moving the cable I see the display flicker
[12:21] * gordonDrogon :facepalm:
[12:21] <jancoow> ^^
[12:21] <jancoow> would that solve the problem? :P
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> just get a new foundation 2.5amp PSU and run that for a few months.
[12:21] <jancoow> replacing that?
[12:22] <jancoow> 2.5amps for a raspberry pi zero
[12:22] <jancoow> that thing should run on a 1 amp right
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I don't know, but filesystem corruptions like that (rather than SD card corruptions) can be caused by dodgy power.
[12:22] <Fulgen> jancoow: /var should be writeable, that's it
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> Pi Zero's need much less than a 3b+ but a reliable PSU is still advisable.
[12:23] <jancoow> yeah I just grabbed a 2 amp from the stack
[12:23] <jancoow> flicker doesn't happen anymore now
[12:25] <jancoow> well let's writ the backup and see if it works agian
[12:25] <jancoow> Then I will try the new power supply for a few months and hope it won't happen again
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[12:29] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: the only pi where I never have problems with is a old pi 1 I think
[12:29] <jancoow> It already hangs for 3 years
[12:29] <jancoow> without reboot
[12:32] <jancoow> Now I'm already talking here.. I'm looking for a way to communicate with a pi from android tablet -> pi
[12:32] <jancoow> what would be the best option?
[12:32] <jancoow> Bluetooth?
[12:32] <jancoow> Need to make a small app to control some led lighning
[12:33] <Fulgen> Bluetooth or HTTP requests
[12:33] <jancoow> yeah http would be easier, then I could simply make a webapp
[12:33] <jancoow> but unfortinally there is no ethernet connetion
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[12:34] <Fulgen> WLAN?
[12:34] <jancoow> I was more thinking communication over USB
[12:34] <jancoow> but not sure if that is possible
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[12:35] <jancoow> " print_req_error: I/O error, dev sde, sector 6062296 " ..This SD card is gone- again..
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[12:46] <gordonDrogon> sorry - door went, had to deal with a neighbour.
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[12:46] <jancoow> no worries at all
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> IO error - that's more like a physical SD card error - might be new SD card time.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> is it in another linux system right now?
[12:46] <jancoow> yeah' again
[12:46] <jancoow> sorry?
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> badblock -s -c 128 /dev/sde
[12:47] <jancoow> sec; I'm trying to write it with sync,noerror now
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> just saw sde - that's not what you see on the Pi, so I assumed it was in another linux system via e.g. usb adapter.
[12:48] <jancoow> oh yeah. I'm running linux as my daily driver
[12:48] <jancoow> on my desktop
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> give the badblocks command a try.
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[12:55] <jancoow> Is this broken SD card also the problem of the bad power supply?
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> SD cards need a blip of higher power when doing writes.
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> that's where (I think) a lot of the issues lie in the Pi.
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[12:58] * ShorTie concures
[12:58] <jancoow> mm oky
[12:59] <ShorTie> that is why they went to a 5.1v supply, but 5.2v is better imho
[13:00] <ShorTie> that extra tenth or 2 really helps
[13:02] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: it found 1 bad block so far
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> that's one too many. get a new SD card.
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> (sorry)
[13:03] <jancoow> and it counting up xd
[13:03] <jancoow> it's *
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> back later. got a bakery to clean...
[13:03] <jancoow> well. It on sector around the 3.5gb. So I can still use it as network boot sd card
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[13:08] <BurtyB> the sector at 3.5GB today might not be the sector at 3.5GB tomorrow
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[13:15] <jancoow> yeah. I'm using some other "corrupted" sd cards with only the boot directory pointing to a NFS root
[13:15] <jancoow> which still works fine
[13:21] <ShorTie> you do know the pi does not control the sdcard ??
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[13:23] <ShorTie> it has a mind of it's own, that does things, and a power blimp during that time is death
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[13:44] <jancoow> yeah I understand that ;p
[13:46] <jancoow> Mhh. Let's try to use web bluetooth to communicate with the pi :O
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[14:23] <broesel> /wc
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[14:38] <ChunkzZ> can my pi 3 run android?
[14:40] <ChunkzZ> nvm.
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[16:01] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: hi! Could you maybe help with our shadow thiny?
[16:01] <jancoow> I'm not sure how to do that
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[16:08] <phipli> Hey folks, anyone able to answer a node-red question for me?
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[16:14] * stiv computes the probability as 0.27. even lower if you never ask the actual question
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[16:15] * phipli doesn't know how active the channel is yet and so was testing first :)
[16:16] <phipli> if I create an array in a function in the style of : var test = ["one", "two"];
[16:16] <phipli> can I extend the array by just saying: test[2] = "three";
[16:16] <phipli> or is that as evil as it would be in C
[16:17] <phipli> alternatively, how do I extend an array correctly in Node-RED javascript?
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[16:26] <shauno> that's all I'd do, test[2]="three". worth knowing if you run 'node' on its own at the command-line you get a repl environment where you can "suck it and see" for such things (which is also all I do)
[16:27] <phipli> yeah - I tested it like that(ish - I did it in a file and ran that), but I was nervous because technically it would work in C... but you'd be manipulating a variable out of bounds and just foo-baring your memory
[16:29] <phipli> plus looking up javascript on the internet, people were using various other commands like extend and... push? none of which worked
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[16:37] <shauno> I've never used extend. push & pop should work though
[16:38] <phipli> cheers :) much appreciated
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[16:41] <shauno> https://i.imgur.com/jGGgKSul.jpg push & pop are stack operations. push one on, pop one off
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> jancoow, hi - shadow whatty?
[16:46] <jancoow> well it boots almost fine into the read only system
[16:46] <jancoow> only X refuses to start
[16:46] <jancoow> and a problem with the network time sync
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> oh right. I've never setup a system with read only root though.
[16:50] <jancoow> well there is nothing imporant in /home tho
[16:50] <jancoow> so if it only creates a lock file..
[16:50] <jancoow> I could simply try to mount a tmps on /home
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> which is what I suggested earlier :)
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> also, X will log in ~/.Xsession-errors for some stuff.
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[16:51] <jancoow> yes that's the problem I believe
[16:52] <jancoow> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=1777,size=128M 0 0
[16:52] <jancoow> tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=1777,size=128M 0 0
[16:52] <jancoow> are my current tmpfs
[16:52] <jancoow> did I forget something?
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> not sure - the /tmp/ one is usually done it /etc/default/tmpfs
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> at least in the pre-systemd days.
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[16:53] <jancoow> mmh. My LXDE autostart config file is in ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> so - create this shadow /home - e.g. /home-good
[16:54] <jancoow> it would be much easier if I could simply copy all the content of /home (which is only 500kb or something) to the /home tmpfs, what you recomanded earlier
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> with the Pi user in it and all the configs, then mount /home as tmpfs then cp -a /home-good into /home
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> right.
[16:55] <jancoow> where do you recomand to do the copy?
[16:55] <jancoow> rc.local ?
[16:55] <jancoow> or is that "too late"
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I really do not know with systemd, however tradtionally I'd put it in rc.local as that's the last thing to run at boot time.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> also:
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[16:57] <jancoow> mmh okay!
[16:57] <jancoow> let's try!
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> but ... is it needed - this is my home pbx Pi
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> 15:55:01 up 323 days, 5:51, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.25, 0.25
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> my bakery pi only has 34 days uptime - because I pulled the plug out last month when cleaning behind the ovens.
[16:58] <jancoow> well if it works it's an extra bonus :)
[16:58] <jancoow> haha yeah most of the pi's runs fine
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> they're just standard raspbian jessie installs.
[16:58] <jancoow> but this one always gave me problems
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[16:58] <jancoow> dunno why
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> blame the psu, initially :)
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> or a chinesium SD card..
[16:59] <jancoow> I don't have chinesium sd cards actually :P
[16:59] <jancoow> it was a sandisk pro
[16:59] <jancoow> but yeah; what does pro say
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> who knows.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> had an 'experience' recently when the manufacturer of a chinese product released an update for their product ... which bricked chinese clones of their product. And sadly, the one I had was a clone. Bother.
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[17:06] <jancoow> ah damn
[17:06] <jancoow> that sucks
[17:06] <jancoow> what kind of product was it?
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[17:07] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: yay! It's booting and starting epiphany :D
[17:07] <jancoow> only the time is wrong
[17:08] <jancoow> so need to fix the network time
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> it was a device programmer - eproms, microcontrollers, etc.
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> minipro TL866A
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[17:10] <stiv> clones of chinese clones - it's turtles all the way down
[17:10] <jancoow> it does
[17:10] <jancoow> and every clone has less and less components
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> fortunately it does still work with the linux driver, but not their windows driver which is fine by me.
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[17:13] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: any clue how I could get the systemd timesyncd service working? :P
[17:13] <jancoow> it fails to start because read only file system hehe
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> um... systemd did you say? No clue.
[17:14] <jancoow> oh sorry
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> I really do not use it. I have uninstalled it from all my Pi systems.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> my desktop is Devuan too.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> (as are my laptops)
[17:18] <jancoow> I'm on arch
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[17:28] <gordonDrogon> I've used Debian since it began and Unix in-general for over 35 years now and am choosing to stick with what I know. For now.
[17:28] <jancoow> yeah but sometimes moving on is a good thing :)
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[17:36] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: I disbled that systemd service and using openntpd now
[17:36] <jancoow> and it works :D
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[17:37] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: thanks for the help! Gonna backup this SD card now and hopefully it will work forever now haha
[17:39] <stiv> stuff that works has a certain charm, no matter what all the kool kids are using
[17:39] <audiofile> friendofafriend I tried that guide, no dice
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> jancoow, ok, glad it's working for you now - let's hope it runs for more than 2 months at a time now... keep us informed :)
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> and I am moving on - I moved on to the pdp-8 (a 12-bit machine) and now the 65816 (a hybrid 8 and 16 bit cpu) ...
[17:41] <jancoow> I'm now looking into "dride" . Cool project ! https://dride.io/documentation/getting_started
[17:42] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: cool! What are these cpu's ?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> jancoow, the pdp-8 - designed in 1965... the 65c816 - designed around 1981 I think. so somewhat old ...
[17:43] <jancoow> that's pretty cool
[17:43] <jancoow> can you still buy them?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> hm. dride... as soon a a project says "burn our image" I'm less than interested. that basically means it will not work when/if they upgrade the Pi.
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> it's tricky to buy a pdp-8, however the 6502 and the 65816 are still being made and used today.
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> there is the PiDP-8 project - which uses a pi zero to emulate the pdp-8. (also PiDP-11 for the pdp-11)
[17:47] <shauno> still half way through building my pidp-11. scared to mess with the switches until I understand what's going on with the LEDs (the instructions are a little vague in places)
[17:47] <audiofile> can someone help me with my pivpn + pihole installation? pihole works but pivpn doesn't and I've been trying to figure this out for a year heh
[17:48] <genr8_> port forward the pivpn ports on the router
[17:49] <audiofile> ohh
[17:50] <audiofile> i have rules already
[17:50] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: yeah I'm looking to run the program manual..
[17:50] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: not a pre-made OS
[17:51] <jancoow> https://github.com/dride
[17:51] <jancoow> should be somewhere
[17:51] <jancoow> https://github.com/dride/dride-core
[17:51] <audiofile> how can I check if my pivpn can access internet/
[17:52] <jancoow> ping ~
[17:52] <audiofile> under pivpn user account?
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[17:53] <jancoow> brb F1 almost begins :)
[17:53] <genr8_> "doesnt work" isnt enough info
[17:54] <genr8_> did you install it? did you configure it? can you connect and get an IP but it fails to have internet access ? Which of the multiple possibilities of "doesnt work" ?
[17:57] <audiofile> ok I'll elaborate
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[18:02] <audiofile> I installed pihole and it works fine. I followed pivpn installation according to https://discourse.pi-hole.net/t/pihole-with-openvpn-the-easy-way-use-pivpn/7912 and have the profile loaded on my phone but it says "there was an error connecting to selected server". Here's the server config changes also: http://termbin.com/a6px I've also setup port forwarding for 1194 (default pivpn port) for both TCP and
[18:02] <audiofile> UDP protocols. If I'm missing out on any info let me know genr8_
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[18:03] <tim17> Hello guys, is it possible to use my phone card on a rpi 2 B without the need to format it?
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[18:04] <audiofile> sorry, I'm almost on the verge of giving up. I've been trying out various 'solutions' from blogs, wikis but none worked
[18:04] <genr8_> cat /var/log/openvpn-status.log
[18:04] <genr8_> you need read error messages , also try cat /var/log/messages
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> shauno, to my shame, my pidp-11 is still in the box. I'll build it up someday. I have 2 x pidp-8's.
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[18:09] <genr8_> audiofile: also do netstat -l and look for "udp" make sure its listening on either the right 192.address or the (which is every IP on the system)
[18:09] <audiofile> ohh ok
[18:10] <audiofile> openvpn is on I'm checking for error in logs now
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[18:11] <audiofile> can I just grep for openvpn in /var/log/messages? I got nothing
[18:12] <genr8_> yea basically. idk.
[18:12] <genr8_> i think you have to set up a log command first
[18:12] <genr8_> in the config file you have a status file
[18:12] <audiofile> this is openvpn-status.log http://termbin.com/r04c
[18:12] <audiofile> log command?
[18:12] <genr8_> but you can copy that line and change "status" to "log" and give it a new filename in the same directory
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[18:12] <audiofile> oh
[18:12] <genr8_> that way it will log more stuff
[18:13] <audiofile> gotcha will try and then check same log files?
[18:13] <genr8_> yep
[18:13] <genr8_> the service would need a restart
[18:14] <audiofile> ok, restarting
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[18:18] <audiofile> still no info in logs, genr8_
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[18:19] <genr8_> grep VPN /var/log/syslog
[18:20] <genr8_> ls /etc/openvpn/*.log
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[18:21] <genr8_> on the other hand, if the connection was never making it in, you'd never see anything in the log.
[18:22] <audiofile> last thing in syslog is OpenVPN has started. and the ls shows only openvpn-status.log
[18:22] <audiofile> oh but that only contains service info like stopping and starting openvpn
[18:22] <genr8_> if there was an error it would print too
[18:23] <genr8_> so its running, its just not getting the connection
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[18:23] <genr8_> so network issues. router. firewalls
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[18:23] <genr8_> is there a software firewall running on the pi ?
[18:24] <genr8_> have you got a default deny policy in iptables that isnt allowing anything in locally
[18:24] <audiofile> I haven't messed around with anythign like that but I could check
[18:24] <audiofile> pivpn -d said it found issues in iptables and 'fixed them for me'
[18:24] <genr8_> sudo iptables -L
[18:25] <audiofile> termbin.com/0pga
[18:25] <genr8_> wide open, should be no issue
[18:26] <genr8_> next would be on the router side
[18:26] <audiofile> ok so firewalls on router?
[18:26] <genr8_> yes you need one but it has to be right
[18:26] <genr8_> or, first, have you tried connecting from something thats NOT your phone ?
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[18:26] <genr8_> the phone could be F'ed
[18:27] <audiofile> oh damn, that's the only thing with 4G
[18:27] <audiofile> I'm using official Openvpn connect app
[18:27] <genr8_> i mean it should work but who knows.
[18:28] <audiofile> oof
[18:28] <genr8_> im trying to figure out other some way to check if the openVPN udp port is open
[18:28] <genr8_> visible*
[18:28] <audiofile> ohh ok I'll check router firewall
[18:28] <genr8_> make sure its forwarded right
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[18:28] <audiofile> shall I disable firewall?
[18:28] <audiofile> "SPI firewall"
[18:28] <genr8_> i cant advise you to do that
[18:28] <audiofile> port forwarding is right I think
[18:28] <audiofile> oh ok
[18:28] <genr8_> what is this, DDWRT ?
[18:29] <audiofile> tp-link archer c20 ac750
[18:29] <giddles> open wrt ;)
[18:29] <audiofile> how do you tell?
[18:31] <genr8_> well that ones got its own version but it could accept openWRT
[18:31] <audiofile> ok so what should I do now?
[18:31] <genr8_> have you had that router the whole time ? maybe its that
[18:31] <audiofile> yes, I set up the pihole after this new router
[18:32] <audiofile> so we can confirm it's a router issue?
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[18:32] <audiofile> does this have anything to do with my public IP?
[18:33] <genr8_> when you use the phone app, theres 3 choices on login. which of 3 are you using. #2 ?
[18:33] <genr8_> yes
[18:33] <genr8_> 3 choices when you start the app*
[18:33] <audiofile> I'm using the iOS app. Just exported the profile from Dropbox app to OpenVPN app and it accepted it. I didn't even see the options on startup
[18:33] <genr8_> Private Tunnel, Access server , *.OVPN profile file
[18:34] <audiofile> third!
[18:34] <audiofile> .ovpn
[18:34] <genr8_> so you have a file. Open it in and view the text. and verify the public IP
[18:34] <genr8_> i was gonna say open it in notepad but w/e
[18:34] <audiofile> hehe ok
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[18:35] <genr8_> the line should start with: remote
[18:35] <audiofile> that's correct
[18:35] <audiofile> yes, just confirmed
[18:36] <audiofile> wait, what's 'dev tun'?
[18:36] <genr8_> tunnel device
[18:36] <audiofile> Is that a network interface I need to do something with?
[18:36] <audiofile> oh
[18:36] <genr8_> basically yes
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[18:36] <genr8_> when you run ifconfig you should see a "tun" device
[18:37] <audiofile> no!
[18:37] <audiofile> eth0, wlan0, lo
[18:37] <audiofile> damn
[18:37] <genr8_> thats not good then. openVPN never made the tun device.. i would think it did though, if its listening and it started the config file.....
[18:37] <genr8_> but thats important
[18:38] <audiofile> aha
[18:38] <audiofile> but I have pihole
[18:38] <audiofile> so maybe tun is in that profile?
[18:38] <audiofile> user account I mean
[18:39] <genr8_> it would be global i believe.
[18:39] <audiofile> ohh ok
[18:39] <audiofile> so um how do I create a tun
[18:39] <genr8_> maybe its because that accoutn didnt have access to create it, cause it does need sudo or root.
[18:40] <genr8_> the act of starting an openvpn config file should be enough to create it
[18:40] <audiofile> ok so sudo pivpn add?
[18:41] <genr8_> not the right command and not sure thats right to do
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[18:41] <audiofile> still no tun
[18:41] <audiofile> oh I just created a config using that command
[18:41] <audiofile> is there another way?
[18:42] <genr8_> sudo adduser pivpn sudo
[18:42] <d0rm0us3> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33865
[18:43] <audiofile> the user pivpn does not exist
[18:43] <audiofile> omigosh
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[18:44] <genr8_> no biggie forget that
[18:44] <genr8_> i'd say the config file is not right in general
[18:44] <audiofile> ok that was generated by pivpn and I removed the dns entries and added my pihole as dns
[18:44] <audiofile> no other modifications
[18:44] <audiofile> is there some sample config that works?
[18:45] <genr8_> the other thing is i dont see that you have a DH (diffie helman) key in yours and i do in mine
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[18:45] <audiofile> how can I check?
[18:45] <genr8_> 7th line yours says dh none
[18:45] <audiofile> when I created a config it didn't say creating key etc
[18:45] <audiofile> ok I'll reinstall pivpn?
[18:45] <audiofile> iirc it did that first time install
[18:46] <genr8_> yea it should have made a DH file already
[18:46] <genr8_> it does like "This may take a long time, generating ..........."
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[18:46] <audiofile> yes it did!
[18:46] <audiofile> and it showed a cool asciiimage too
[18:46] <audiofile> so it exists somewhere I guess
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[18:49] <genr8_> I read the link dormouse posted casually
[18:49] <audiofile> me too
[18:50] <audiofile> shall I try that?
[18:50] <genr8_> basically just says make sure the module is loaded with sudo modprobe tun , then its down to the config file
[18:50] <audiofile> sudo modprobe tun -> no output
[18:51] <genr8_> yea, do: lsmod | grep tun
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[18:51] <genr8_> tryin to think best on big picture as well as small picture is hard
[18:52] <audiofile> tun 36864 0
[18:52] <audiofile> aww sorry man :(
[18:52] <audiofile> idk what else to do
[18:52] <genr8_> go here https://check-host.net/check-udp
[18:52] <genr8_> input your IP:1194
[18:53] <genr8_> see if it connects
[18:53] <audiofile> it says open or filtered
[18:53] <genr8_> or this one https://portscanner.standingtech.com/ your public IP, 1194 , UDP
[18:54] <genr8_> well thats not very decisive :/ friggin Udp
[18:54] <audiofile> omg
[18:54] <audiofile> it says "the port openvpn is closed"
[18:54] <audiofile> the second link
[18:54] <audiofile> my damn router??
[18:54] <genr8_> right.
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[18:54] <audiofile> but port forwarding is on...
[18:55] <genr8_> maybe you picked port forward 1194 TCP and you need to forward UDP
[18:55] <audiofile> hold on I'll send what I did
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[18:56] <genr8_> still doesnt explain the lack of tun device when your config has the persist-tun option on it
[18:56] <audiofile> Servie Port 1194; IP Address (my pihole); Internal Port: 1194; Protocol: TCP or UDP; Status: Enabled
[18:56] <genr8_> mmk
[18:56] <audiofile> yeah, so the issues are 1. no tun device and 2. damn port forwarding doesn't work
[18:56] <audiofile> mmk?
[18:57] <genr8_> i think maybe only #1
[18:57] <audiofile> oh ok
[18:57] <audiofile> so shall I try reinstall pivpn with sudo?
[18:57] <genr8_> might as well at this point
[18:57] <audiofile> gotcha
[18:58] <audiofile> so I just do `sudo curl -L https://install.pivpn.io | bash`?
[18:59] <audiofile> piping to bash is bad I've heard but I'm willing to sacrifice my lil pi
[18:59] <genr8_> thats what it says
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[19:00] <genr8_> maybe thats why the sudo is in the curl not the bash
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[19:00] <audiofile> site says non-sudo command
[19:00] <genr8_> yea
[19:00] <audiofile> http://www.pivpn.io/
[19:00] <genr8_> run without it, and the bash script should say "sudo found, using sudo" or something
[19:01] <audiofile> oh ok
[19:02] <genr8_> when you install it, it prompts you to choose which user you want to install to also
[19:02] <audiofile> just to confirm this time I run as sudo, right?
[19:02] <audiofile> ok
[19:02] <genr8_> no
[19:02] <genr8_> run without sudo, it will detect sudo and use it
[19:02] <audiofile> ok
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[19:05] <audiofile> genr8_, standard setup?
[19:05] <genr8_> shoulda said "Sudo will be used for the install"
[19:05] <audiofile> yes!
[19:05] <audiofile> should my gateway IP be router IP or pihole IP?
[19:06] <genr8_> router
[19:06] <audiofile> gotcha
[19:06] <genr8_> the dns will be set later
[19:06] <audiofile> choose a local user: pi or dataplicity
[19:06] <audiofile> I don't use dataplicity anymore
[19:06] <genr8_> might as well be pi
[19:06] <audiofile> ok
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[19:07] <audiofile> choose a protocol:udp or tcp
[19:07] <audiofile> it says I should use tcp only if I know what I'm doing which is not
[19:08] <genr8_> UDP :p
[19:09] <audiofile> will clients use public ip or dns to connect?
[19:09] <genr8_> public IP
[19:09] <genr8_> well
[19:09] <audiofile> ohhh
[19:09] <audiofile> last time I gave dns
[19:09] <genr8_> unless you have a domain name for your house
[19:09] <audiofile> nah should I??
[19:09] <genr8_> that resolves externally
[19:09] <genr8_> no
[19:09] <audiofile> sounds cool
[19:09] <genr8_> you will just need to remember your public IP
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[19:09] <audiofile> select dns provider for vpn clients
[19:09] <genr8_> after you pick public IP, then pick "Custom" for DNS
[19:09] <audiofile> ok
[19:10] <genr8_> and inside Custom you put your pihole addresss
[19:10] <audiofile> gotcha
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[19:10] <genr8_> at that point it should be almost done
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[19:11] <audiofile> tun0!
[19:11] <audiofile> !!!
[19:11] <genr8_> nice!
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[19:11] <genr8_> now you have to remake the .ovpn profiles again with 'pivpn add'
[19:11] <audiofile> gotcha
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[19:12] <genr8_> thats progress though, the online port scanner may even connect now
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[19:13] <audiofile> oh I need to reboot
[19:14] <genr8_> k
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[19:15] <audiofile> port is still closed
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[19:15] <audiofile> do I need to start some service?
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[19:16] <genr8_> i would think its on auto
[19:17] <backes> hey, to activate ssh on the headless debian, I need to create a file in the bootloader. But how can I mount the bootloader from the sd card on osx?
[19:17] <genr8_> run systemctl by itself and see if anythings "failed" or stopped
[19:17] <audiofile> ok config has new line "push block-outside-dns"
[19:17] <audiofile> oh
[19:18] <audiofile> pihole ftl-daemon exited
[19:19] <audiofile> openvpn too
[19:19] <genr8_> bingo
[19:19] <genr8_> lol
[19:19] <audiofile> I hope this is a proper exit not a nonzero one?
[19:19] <audiofile> oh
[19:19] <audiofile> so...restart?
[19:19] <audiofile> sudo systemctl restart openvpn@server?
[19:19] <genr8_> put restart after
[19:20] <genr8_> otherwise yes
[19:20] <audiofile> after?
[19:20] <genr8_> at the end of the command instead
[19:20] <audiofile> ok gotcha
[19:20] <genr8_> or am i dyslexic
[19:20] <genr8_> i mean i know i am but
[19:20] <audiofile> unknown operation
[19:20] <genr8_> heh
[19:20] <genr8_> yes
[19:20] <audiofile> I think restart first?
[19:21] <audiofile> `sudo systemctl openvpn@server restart` unknown operation openvpn@server
[19:21] <genr8_> systemctl restart openvpn@server
[19:22] <genr8_> the struggle is real sometimes
[19:22] <audiofile> aww sorry man :(
[19:22] <audiofile> systemctl says it's loaded though
[19:22] <audiofile> so exited doesn't matter?
[19:23] <genr8_> it should be running though
[19:23] <genr8_> Loaded Active Running
[19:23] <genr8_> "failed" would be in red, thats super suspect.
[19:23] <audiofile> ohh
[19:24] <audiofile> loaded active exited
[19:24] <audiofile> both pihole and openvpn
[19:24] <genr8_> somethings also not right there.
[19:24] <genr8_> run: journalctl -xe
[19:24] <audiofile> but pihole web portal works
[19:24] <genr8_> that will print some more logs
[19:25] <audiofile> aha
[19:25] <genr8_> ive never seen it to where its running but its also exited.
[19:25] <d0rm0us3> forked process?
[19:26] <genr8_> likely
[19:26] <audiofile> dunno if sensitive info lies withing can I pm?
[19:27] <genr8_> yeah i guess but no need to paste yet
[19:27] <audiofile> I found stuff about openvpn warnings
[19:28] <genr8_> ok
[19:28] <audiofile> or rather, notes
[19:28] <genr8_> pretty much only your public IP would be sensitive
[19:28] <audiofile> oh ok
[19:28] <audiofile> nothing there http://termbin.com/1up6
[19:29] <audiofile> last few tens of lines "NOTE: your local LAN uses the extremely common subnet address 192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x. Be aware that this might create routing conflicts"
[19:29] <genr8_> Nov 11 01:58:23 raspberrypi pihole-FTL[301]: chown: cannot access '/etc/pihole/dhcp.leases': No such file or directory
[19:29] <audiofile> oh
[19:30] <audiofile> what does that mean?
[19:30] <genr8_> idk
[19:31] <audiofile> https://askubuntu.com/a/849181 ?
[19:31] <audiofile> I've seen dnsmasp in ftl setup
[19:31] <audiofile> default
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[19:32] <genr8_> wait, later it says pihole started up fine
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[19:32] <audiofile> then systemctl says exited?
[19:32] <genr8_> -- Unit pihole-FTL.service has finished starting up.
[19:33] <audiofile> user-999.slice active User slice of pihole
[19:33] <audiofile> that one?
[19:33] <genr8_> no idea honestly
[19:33] <audiofile> ok openvpn@server is also running
[19:33] <audiofile> both are running!
[19:33] <genr8_> they seem to be running
[19:33] <audiofile> It's the sevice that's exited
[19:34] <audiofile> yeah, I checked in systemctl now
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[19:34] <audiofile> so that's fine?
[19:34] <genr8_> unusual but ok, guess thats just a pi thing?
[19:34] <genr8_> idk
[19:34] <genr8_> the log you sent was very complete and looked ok
[19:34] <audiofile> hehe hope so
[19:35] <audiofile> heyy
[19:36] <audiofile> netstatu -uapn | grep openvpn shows openvpn listening on
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[19:40] <genr8_> wait i just noticed something
[19:41] <genr8_> last page or so of that. Nov 11 02:05:53 raspberrypi ovpn-server[407]: Linux ip addr del failed: external program exited with error status: 2
[19:41] <audiofile> oh what does that imply?
[19:41] <Alina-malina> is it possible to make the rpi as a video capture/recording device out from my laptop vga/hdmi?
[19:43] <audiofile> https://serverfault.com/questions/757751/vpn-error-linux-route-add-command-failed ?
[19:43] <BurtyB> Alina-malina, not without additional hardware
[19:43] <Alina-malina> ok
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[19:49] <audiofile> genr8_, thanks for all the help. I really appreciate it. You helped fix a ton of issues like the tun0 interface, configs, etc etc. Thanks again. I'm dead tired so I think I'll catch some shuteye. I'll try messing around with router settings later hopefully will work :)
[19:49] <genr8_> right, np. good luck :)
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[21:04] <dreamon> good evening, is there a easy way to switch a gpio output by using alex amazon speech recog.? so send rpi some comands by speech?
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> the easy part is controlling the gpio pin. the hard part is the interface from your amazon overlords.
[21:12] <shbrngdo> I haven't seen how Amazon does that, and so I would guess it's a SOAP-like API of some kind (I think I saw a Siri interface that was similar once, years ago)
[21:13] <shbrngdo> but in theory it probably has login security and "google play" integrated into it, and having had to deal with that in the 'droid universe it's not gonna be fun
[21:13] <shbrngdo> if you haven't heard the term "firebase" before, then you have no idea how complex things can get, heh
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> a friend of mine has his house Amazoned up.. Alexa, turn the dining room lights to 50 percent ...
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> and it does it. most of the time. although I'ev no idea how...
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[21:14] <shbrngdo> I tried a voice command/control thing years ago after Microsoft introduced their "Speech API". It was dismal, randomly invoking things I didn't want done.
[21:15] <shbrngdo> in any case, I've been VERY skeptical about speech command stuff, knowing how bad things might get when gone horribly wrong
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> you need 2 things - one is voice to english words (or whatever language) the next is a parser to turn those words into simple verb/noun phrases (well it works in adventure games :)
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> get lamp
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[21:16] <shbrngdo> typing them in the 2nd part is generally easy with limited vocabulary [like old RJR Cave]
[21:16] <Khaytsus> drop stick
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> or; I say old chap, could you pickup the old lantern for me please?
[21:16] <Khaytsus> n
[21:16] <shbrngdo> translated to surf lingo: Dude, where's my lantern?
[21:16] <shbrngdo> heh
[21:17] <shbrngdo> seriously though it's translating what you say into printable words that causes the trouble, and bots are so good at getting things horribly wrong
[21:17] <Khaytsus> Or valley girl? Like, where's my latern? Gag me with a spoon!
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> I don't know why though. the technology to do that should be solved by now.
[21:18] <shbrngdo> consider Apple's auto-correct for texting. the comedic examples for THAT going wrong are pretty eye-opening
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> Khaytsus, showing your age there son...
[21:18] <Khaytsus> For sure
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
[21:18] <dreamon> gordonDrogon, here this guy has a solution. but might be to old.. im still trying
[21:18] <shbrngdo> gordon - it's probably one of those cases where you look at it on the surface, and say "I can see how this can be done" and months/years later you're still digging into the dirty parts in the oil bay
[21:19] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: I lvoed that set of programs that used to be readily available in Unix/Linux to covert text but they seem to all have disapeared
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> I remember speech to commands working on the Apple II - 1Mhz 8-bit processor ...
[21:19] <Khaytsus> I never had one on the commodore 64 but i Played with the TTS on amiga. it was pretty errible
[21:20] <shbrngdo> if you have to train them, they can be written to fingerprint your voice, and that didn't take a lot of horsepower
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> Khaytsus, apt-get install filters
[21:20] <Khaytsus> Played with festival on Linux but it was terrible
[21:20] <shbrngdo> MS's speech API engines in the 90's weren't bad, but you had to train them, and they'd make those laughable mistakes too often
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> yea, the apple one was 'trained', so basically fuzzy memcmp ...
[21:20] <mpmc> Error: Voice too sexy to reproduce.
[21:21] <shbrngdo> the way the human ear hears is with individual 'tone hairs'. Sound is detected in octaves because, harmonics
[21:21] <shauno> something about my accent seems to really rub siri up the wrong way
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> I may be mistaken but I think one good speech to text engine was bought out and patented, then sunk... I'm sure it'll reappear in 15 years time..
[21:21] <shbrngdo> speech has a harmonic pattern combined with consonant 'hardness' or 'softness'
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[21:22] <mpmc> shauno: I doubt it's that bad lol
[21:22] <shbrngdo> they're probably using AI in mainframes, and all that input to train it constantly for Alexa and Siri and so on
[21:22] <shbrngdo> oh, and Cortana. I wanted to forget Cortana
[21:22] <shauno> siri or my accent? heh
[21:22] <Khaytsus> Cortana is like siri's retarded cousin
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> I did use google briefly and it mostly worked, but it was only for the timer - ok google set timer for 10 miuntes
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> that mostly worked ok.
[21:23] <shbrngdo> there are so many different accents possible just for English. I can't imagine how other languages might be
[21:23] <shauno> yeah, they work for me within a very limited lexicon
[21:23] <Khaytsus> I have google homes and alexas... they work fine. But still not all that fuzzy
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> and Scottish.
[21:23] <mpmc> Google thinks I'm saying 8 to 40 instead of 840 <_<
[21:23] <Khaytsus> Or too fuzzy... like I ask some specific weather question and it gives me the geneirc forecast
[21:23] <shbrngdo> a friend of mine [long ago] from Puerty Rico said he couldn't understand thick southern accents.
[21:23] <Khaytsus> To be fair, nobody understand Scotish accents
[21:23] <shauno> we tried integrating some datacenter software with siri for kicks 'n' giggles. a query for "what is the temperature in the RMS rack" gave me the current weather for Rack Island, Canada
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> try listening to an old scottish borders dialect ...
[21:24] <shbrngdo> heh
[21:24] <shbrngdo> yeah like that. using colloquial terms
[21:24] <shbrngdo> Ach I got a wee bit o' something on the whatever
[21:24] <mpmc> I'd rather have a Scottish accent than my current one :(
[21:24] <Khaytsus> Aye an' a bit of Mackeral settler rack and ruin, ran it doon by the haim ma place. Well I slapped me and I slapped it doon in the side and I cried, cried, cried.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> fit like?
[21:24] <Khaytsus> You can't even understand it when it's text
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> j' ken john peel?
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> nah. ah dinny ken um.
[21:25] <jancoow> gordonDrogon: ugh. that dride project apperntly doesn't work with a usb cam hehe
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> (I am Scottish fwiw)
[21:25] <shbrngdo> regional accents in the USA are softening because of various reasons, but just within New York City you can tell what area someone came from - Brooklyn, Bronx, Long Island, etc.
[21:26] <shbrngdo> Bugs Bunny has a Bronx accent, as an example
[21:26] <shauno> most of the UK has that kinda regional density when it comes to accents
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> UK cities are like that too.
[21:26] <mpmc> gordonDrogon: think yourself lucky!
[21:26] <shbrngdo> ack on UK - I've heard London has more than one
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> I lived Morningside you know. (think prime of miss jean brodie type dialect)
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> anyway, this isn't fixing my stack corruption issue in my 6502 ...
[21:27] <shbrngdo> I can see how certain southern accents (parts of Texas, Georgia, Tennesee, etc.) might drive a speech recognition system bonkers
[21:27] <shauno> I used to be able to figure out what town in cumbria someone came from within a few lines. but I haven't lived there for nearly 20 years now
[21:27] <mpmc> I beat you all.. think Brummie mixed with American lol
[21:28] * mpmc grew up watching the simpsons lol
[21:28] <shauno> mine's a mongrel too. take cumbria, newcastle, glasgow, oxford, mid-west US and west ireland. in rougly equal parts. and whack it in a blender.
[21:29] <mpmc> shauno: still better than mine :p
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> anyway, time to listen to david attenburger...
[21:29] <shauno> well yeah, brummie wasn't in my list. there's no escaping that one.
[21:29] <shbrngdo> well as far as speech recog goes, you'd have to start with a DFT or FFT on it [live], then take the output of that along with frequency, amplitude, and something that recognizes 'hard' or 'soft' starts/stops of the tones, to get consonants and vowels. but nearly EVERY accent messes up those definitions, from the 'soft R' of New England, to different ways of saying a short 'a'
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[21:30] <mpmc> :p
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[21:33] <dreamon> it works very nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDXCOLvuDJc
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[21:40] <dreamon> or this guy → https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rikUkvyDRGg
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[21:44] <la_croix_> Hi, does anybody here have experience of yocto images on a raspberry pi?
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[21:50] <Bray90820_> Is there a way to use two hats with a PI?
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[21:58] <BurtyB> Bray90820_, depends on the HAT
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[21:59] <Bray90820_> Some sort of RCA DAC with some sort of mini display so I can see the current song playing
[21:59] <BurtyB> If it's an official PoE HAT then it can be used with another HAT, if it's any other compliant HAT then you'd need to disable the ID pins on the second HAT, if it's not really a HAT but calls itself a HAT then maybe...
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[22:00] <BurtyB> go HAT
[22:00] <Bray90820_> Hum maybe I should just use one hat with the HDMi port
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[22:02] <la_croix_> does anybody here have experience of yocto images on a raspberry pi?
[22:02] <Bray90820_> Another question is there some sort of IO shield thing to attach to a home built case?
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[22:06] <BurtyB> Bray90820_, I'm not sure what you mean by mini display but if it's not a HAT then it's probably going to work if there are no pin (or i2C address) conflicts
[22:08] <shauno> most boards will just work, if they're not sharing any gpio lines. actual HAT-compliant hats are few and far between
[22:09] <Bray90820_> By mini display I mean something like this
[22:09] <Bray90820_> https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/lcd_i2c_screen_01-702x336.jpg
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[22:10] <Bray90820_> Just something so I can see the current playing song
[22:13] <shauno> mostly just look up the boards on https://pinout.xyz to make sure they're not sharing any gpio (in this case, probably i2s for the DAC and i2c for the lcd, so I'd guess it'd work, but it's up to you to verify)
[22:14] <shauno> I'm still getting away with this crime against all decency; https://i.imgur.com/Dc5mGdD.jpg
[22:17] <Bray90820_> I'm thinking of just using HDMI I would probably have more control that way
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[22:52] <Bray90820_> Is there a name for the pins that a hat uses like gpio or something
[22:54] <Bray90820_> Yes it is GPIO
[22:57] <Encrypt> 14 ATMEGA328P-PU ordered :)
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[23:03] <crowley95> shauno: That looks pretty cool, what are you displaying?
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> the PHats don't have eeproms though.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> it's the eeprom on the HAT that is an issue when trying to stack.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, 14? what's the plan?
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[23:11] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Still build a pilot wire circuit with MySensors + HomeAssistant running on a Pi
[23:11] <Encrypt> To control my heaters
[23:11] <Encrypt> I have 7 heaters
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[23:11] <shauno> crowley95: the time (other boards are rtc & amp/dac)
[23:11] <Encrypt> And I'll probably build a electricity meter sensor / water meter sensor
[23:11] <Encrypt> And other stuff
[23:12] <shauno> aka "how badly could I mess up an alarm clock"
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:12] <Encrypt> I recently received RFM69W radios too :)
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> shauno, what's the board with the little white socket on it?
[23:12] <Encrypt> And I realized the spacing between holes is 2mm instead of 2.54... :x
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, ah, I have the feather boards with rfm's on-board.
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[23:14] <shauno> gordonDrogon, adafruit's "speaker bonnet". dac + 3W amp
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ah, right.
[23:14] <shauno> this was a (mostly successful!) attempt to have a bedside alarm clock that reads my calendar and sets itself appropriately
[23:15] <Encrypt> I see :)
[23:16] <shauno> less important now, but my last job was on shifts, so my schedule was never the same two weeks running. constantly changing my alarm in 3 places got annoying, so I solved it in the messiest way I could think of
[23:16] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Also, I have a question for you
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:17] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, I have a Pi 1 that I can recycle and use Home Assistant on it, there is apparently enough RAM to run it
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what Home Assistant it, however ...
[23:17] <Encrypt> I'd like to connect my Waveshare 7 inches LCD screen to it, however as I mentioned here a few days ago, I have the "max current" issue
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> power the screen separately.
[23:18] <Encrypt> It's very likely that the LCD screen won't power up because of that
[23:18] <Encrypt> How would you power it separately?
[23:18] <Encrypt> With a USB hub?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> no idea - mostly because I don't know anything about the display.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> how is it normally powered?
[23:19] <Encrypt> The LCD screen is powered via a micro-USB connector, which should be connected to the Pi also (it uses the USB to send / receive information to make the touchscreen feature work)
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> ok, yes, use a powered hum.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> *hub.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> power into the hub, hub to Pi and screen AND a 2nd wire from him to Pi power input.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> s/him/hub/
[23:20] <Encrypt> Yes :)
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> that's how I powered a Pi and some USB stuff in the old days.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> I have a hub with a 2.5A power supply and 4 ports - it worked very well.
[23:22] <Encrypt> OK! :)
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[23:24] <Encrypt> The best solution might be to use USB wires to distribute power (<.<)
[23:25] <Encrypt> Yeah, I should try that
[23:26] <Encrypt> I don't want to waste power, by powering another "hub chip" that is not needed
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> milliwtts.
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[23:27] <Encrypt> Yeah
[23:28] <Encrypt> The Pi B seems to consume more power than the Pi 2
[23:28] <Encrypt> https://i.stack.imgur.com/kPvwg.jpg
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> the originals had linear regulators.
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[23:32] <Encrypt> These were the good old days :P
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[23:45] <X230t> Is it possible to configure a raspberry pi as a WiFi-to-ethernet bridge, wherein it appears to all connected devices as though the device connected to the ethernet port of the pi is actually on the WiFi?
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[23:55] <mfa298> X230t: if the Pi is acting as a wifi client then it's not possible as it's not something the wifi spec allows for. You can still do something similar with the ethernet and wifi on different networks and use routing/nat
[23:55] <mfa298> if the Pi is the AP as well then you can have both interfaces bridged so their on the same Layer2
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