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IRC Log for 2018-11-14

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[0:00] <genr8_> its probably close enough?
[0:00] <VladTheImplier> genr8_: interesting, I'll try and see. If that fails, will fall back to UDP broadcast packet.
[0:00] <VladTheImplier> waveform: I thought you cannot control it.
[0:01] <waveform> for background: we got a 100 camera module rig sync'ing below 10ms (with UDP broadcasts)
[0:01] <waveform> however, 1) same firmware version is required because different firmwares tweak the init sequence (this was around the time dual-camera modules started getting supported on the CM)
[0:01] <genr8_> that makes a lot of sense
[0:01] <waveform> 2) you can control init - that's what raspistill (and picamera and other things) spend most of their code doing :)
[0:02] <waveform> the camera is entirely idle until you request the construction of the camera component (via openmax, MMAL, whatever). Once that component is enabled, the camera firmware starts streaming frames and doing all its AGC, AWB, and other stuff
[0:03] <VladTheImplier> waveform: Interesting! All is equal with these. Cameras were bought the same day and I'm trying to setup network boot, so all will be the same. How do you trigger it that way? Can you point me to a ressouce on how to do it? That's pure gold!
[0:04] <waveform> something I wrote ages ago for sync'ing camera modules: https://compoundpi.readthedocs.io/en/release-0.4/ - it's probably bit-rotted by now, but I've got enough on my hands trying to get picamera 1.14 out so I won't be re-visiting it this year
[0:04] <waveform> incidentally, compoundpi *doesn't* handle sync'ing init (only discovered we required that later)
[0:05] <waveform> however, it's got all the network machinery you need and it would be possible to extend to include that (*cough* https://github.com/waveform-computing/compoundpi/issues/45 :)
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[0:08] <VladTheImplier> waveform: damn disconnect. Super Cool! How do you solve the init exactly? Is there some magic MMAL command that does that?
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[0:09] <waveform> VladTheImplier, numerous; if you're happy with C go read thru the raspistill source: https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam
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[0:10] <waveform> if you're happier with Python, you can have a read thru picamera's init (which is a bit more involved as there's a bit more to set up for a generic library): https://github.com/waveform80/picamera/blob/master/picamera/camera.py#L349
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[0:11] <waveform> (actually that'll look a lot tidier in 1.14 - the recent ISP blocks stuff I've added pushed me to finally clear that lot up)
[0:11] <VladTheImplier> waveform: hah! This has been on my mind constantly, having to read up on how to do this on MMAL level. I be damned, that I have no experience with that. Many Many thanks for all the resources. With have a real field day tomorrow
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[0:12] <waveform> I'd also recommend reading the hardware chapter in the picamera docs; whether you use picamera or not it'll fill in a lot of questions about how the module actually works under the covers: https://picamera.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.13/fov.html
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[0:14] <VladTheImplier> waveform: already did that in preparation. Many thanks!
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[0:14] <waveform> good stuff - right, bed time for me - good luck!
[0:15] <VladTheImplier> <3
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[0:29] <singhyuvraj122> hi
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[0:33] <singhyuvraj122> i cant play youtube video on raspberry pi 3b+
[0:33] <singhyuvraj122> very low fps
[0:34] <singhyuvraj122> i have applied heat sink still temp is 53 to 60 degree C and while playing max 70 to 80
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[0:40] <ferdinand> cpu throttling will be active in that temperature range as well.
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[0:49] <Snert_> I keep my pi in a metal case. Helps with heatsinking alot.
[0:50] <Snert_> imo plastic cases are very good at holding in heat.
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[0:57] <ferdinand> They are, in adafruit cases for example, it will climb to 50c while practically idle. Depending on airflow and ambient temp of course.
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[1:00] <Snert_> plastic versus metal. Adafruit sells both.
[1:01] <Snert_> I got my pi cases off aliexpress. They are thick aluminum
[1:01] <Snert_> and that have holes all over top and bottom. You could swiss cheese the case I guess.
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[2:18] <JakeSays> huh. just found an unopened pi 3 in a pile of junk in my office.
[2:18] <Khaytsus> heh
[2:18] <JakeSays> oh wow and an unopened original pi camera
[2:19] <JakeSays> really should clean my office more often
[2:20] <Khaytsus> Sounds like when I buy shit from ebay
[2:20] <Khaytsus> It's like someone ordered me toys
[2:20] <Khaytsus> Because I sure the hell don't remember doing it
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[2:21] <JakeSays> LOL same with amazon and adafruit. whenever i place an order i always throw in some sensor or something. air filters from amazon - a motor controller fell in to my cart somehow.
[2:22] <Khaytsus> Oh, I get stuff from amazon in 1-2 days so I remember them
[2:22] <Khaytsus> but ebay? It's like christmas.
[2:22] <JakeSays> right, but the parts get lost on my desk/in my office
[2:23] <JakeSays> since i don't immediately need them, i totally forget about them
[2:24] <Khaytsus> I have a PSU in a corner I ordered a year ago
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[2:24] <Khaytsus> Still in the overpack box
[2:24] <Khaytsus> For all I know there's wooden blocks in there
[2:25] <Khaytsus> My workstation was super crashy, so I got one and a buddy said to first try taking out half the ram.. That was months ago, still running with half my ram, hasn't crashed once
[2:25] <Khaytsus> I eventually need to swap the set of sticks
[2:25] <JakeSays> LOL i have a box with four relay IO hats i got from kickstarter i've never opened.
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[2:30] <JakeSays> Khaytsus: i also order two of everything when building a project.
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[2:33] <Khaytsus> so when you screw up a part you have a backup?
[2:33] <JakeSays> yup. i'm not patient enough to wait for a replacement
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[3:47] <binaryhermit> This said you could largely achieve the same thing with a raspberry pi running dosbox https://liliputing.com/2018/11/pc-classic-is-like-a-99-nes-classic-for-dos-games.html
[3:48] <binaryhermit> is that true, or is the arm vs x86 thing an issue
[3:48] <binaryhermit> I mean, a 3b+ is so much faster than a dos-era computer it could be full speed emulated, I'm sure
[3:48] <JakeSays> depends a lot on the quality of the emulator
[3:49] <mythos> much faster? still slow as hell
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[3:50] <JakeSays> mythos: whats slow as hell?
[3:51] <mythos> raspi with x86 emulation
[3:52] <JakeSays> ah. yeah.
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[3:52] <ghostboarder> Khaytsus are you here?
[3:52] <binaryhermit> given that the heyday of dos gaming was 486s
[3:52] <JakeSays> but again it depends on the quality of the emulator. a good transpiling emulator can emulate at almost speed.
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[3:53] <binaryhermit> I've admittedly never tried it
[3:53] <ghostboarder> ok good he might not be here to crap all over me for asking a question
[3:54] <ghostboarder> guys, i am using deluge to move completed torrents to my nas from my pi. I get a Permission Denied error though when the torrent is done and i have deluge move it to the mount point for the share
[3:54] <ghostboarder> banging my head on this one
[3:55] <mythos> the user your torrent client is running with is not allowed to do what you intend to do. switch to that user and try the same until it works.
[3:56] <ghostboarder> great answer mythos, thank you. Yes that is what i need to do lol but i dont know how to do that. I have created a "deluge" user and it has sudo
[3:56] <ghostboarder> but still same issue
[3:57] <JakeSays> ghostboarder: having sudo privs isn't going to help
[3:57] <JakeSays> you need to change the access rights on the nas
[3:57] <JakeSays> on the target directory
[3:57] <mythos> well, in that case it is hard to suggest more than "fix your mountpoint rights" ;)
[3:59] <ghostboarder> ok JakeSays , so its not the privs on the mount point? Thats what i was wondering
[3:59] <ghostboarder> so privs on mount point AND privs on nas
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[4:00] <ghostboarder> well, i am using unraid and i have made sure the "deluge" user has read/write for the share
[4:01] <Tenkawa> yay my crosscompiler is working great for building kernels so far
[4:01] <Tenkawa> and wow its fast
[4:01] <JakeSays> ghostboarder: yes
[4:01] <ghostboarder> mythos: ok gotcha. Mount point rights. Makes sense.
[4:02] <ghostboarder> JakeSays,
[4:02] <mythos> ghostboarder, you also need to check if the subdirs are all writable even if the rootdir of that mount is writable
[4:02] <JakeSays> ^
[4:02] <ghostboarder> im just dumping to the root of the share
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[4:02] <JakeSays> what are you using? samba?
[4:03] <mythos> ghostboarder, have you verified your setup by switching to that deluge user and moving files in and out of that share?
[4:04] <ghostboarder> JakeSays, yeah samba/cifs
[4:04] <JakeSays> ghostboarder: is the nas windows?
[4:05] <ghostboarder> mythos, i thought i did that and was successful, ill try again. Getting the call for dinner though, will bbiaf
[4:05] <ghostboarder> JakeSays, no, unraid. So, unix
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[4:05] <ghostboarder> bbiaf, thanks so far guys, hope your still here in 30 mins :)
[4:05] <mythos> have to start to work. so maybe not ;)
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[4:15] <mythos> ghostboarder, just a hint: after a short googling it seems, it is in most cases a misconfigured deluge. the paths need to be case sensitive in unix filesystems for instance (i don't know your level of knowledge, so if you are new to linux, that is something people easily trip over)
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[4:26] <CyberManifest> can I install etcher onto my raspberry pi? I.E. Is there an ARM version of etcher available?
[4:28] <JakeSays> CyberManifest: apt-cache search etcher
[4:29] <CyberManifest> JakeSays: can't ATM, installing currently from NOOBS
[4:29] <JakeSays> CyberManifest: ok do it when you can
[4:29] <CyberManifest> so in other words you don't know?
[4:30] <JakeSays> i have no clue what it is
[4:30] <JakeSays> but i do know how to answer your question
[4:30] <CyberManifest> Wikipedia of 'etcher' is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/etcher
[4:30] <JakeSays> huh. interesting
[4:31] <CyberManifest> Wikipedia of 'Etcher (software)' is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etcher_%28software%29
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[4:31] <JakeSays> lol that makes more sense
[4:31] <JakeSays> ah. it's a web'ish app
[4:32] <CyberManifest> well it was originally an electron app
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[4:32] <JakeSays> they re-wrote it?
[4:33] <CyberManifest> they might have for ARM
[4:33] <CyberManifest> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[4:33] <JakeSays> they wouldn't re-write for a single arch.
[4:33] <JakeSays> and yeah it's still javascript
[4:34] <CyberManifest> what was that apt cache thing for me to check? I'm booted in
[4:34] <JakeSays> apt-cache search etcher
[4:37] <CyberManifest> that was no healp,, it searched packages containing "etcher" so like "fetcher" but I did a apt install etcher and it says no package, so NO it's not available for Raspberry PI :(
[4:37] <CyberManifest> help*
[4:38] <JakeSays> CyberManifest: well, either use something else or build etcher
[4:39] <CyberManifest> I heard there are current problems with building etcher for ARM or at least there was a couple months back,, don't know it's current status... also I know of no other alternatives other than the Linux included dd command
[4:42] <JakeSays> yeah i do all of that on windows
[4:42] <JakeSays> but i'm sure there are linux alternatives
[4:42] <JakeSays> there's probably a gui frontend to dd
[4:43] <CyberManifest> nothing as nice and streamlined as etcher
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[4:52] <Khaytsus> etcher...... why does someone need a gui for dd
[4:52] <CyberManifest> not a need, a want
[4:53] * Khaytsus pukes
[4:53] <JakeSays> CyberManifest: then do the port - i'm sure they'd accept pull requests
[4:53] <CyberManifest> honestly I'm not that technical
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[4:54] <LissajousPattern> nice
[4:54] <LissajousPattern> what is a good use for a raspberry pi 2 in 2018?
[4:55] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: same usages as when it was released
[4:56] <CyberManifest> What JakeSays ? You mean there isn't regression in functionality?
[4:56] <CyberManifest> Amazing!
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[4:57] <LissajousPattern> well there is but...
[4:57] <LissajousPattern> no big deal
[4:57] <LissajousPattern> however I would like to try using it for a pihole
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[4:58] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: i'm sure it'd work fine for that
[4:59] <LissajousPattern> yeah
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[4:59] <CyberManifest> Khaytsus: it's nice to know all that hard work that was put in to make Etcher a program for the masses to use is much appreciated. Sorry you got nauseous tripping over your own ego. I'd be interested to see your contributions to FOSS community.
[4:59] <JakeSays> i tried pihole - wasn't impressed
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[5:01] <LissajousPattern> yeah see
[5:01] <LissajousPattern> then why bother
[5:02] <PHP2forever> So... I have a RPI bought in 2014. It has a memory card, network cable and HDMI cable plugged in so I could hook it up with relative ease to a TV. But I don't want it to require a screen at all. I'm wondering if there exists some kind of secure, maintained, minimal OS that lets me run only PostgreSQL and PHP and nothing else, and provides some sort of web interface (if I never have to SSH into anywhere ever again, I'll die happier). I doubt
[5:02] <PHP2forever> this exists, even for x86, but I have to at least try to look for something like this.
[5:02] <LissajousPattern> JakeSays, what is your adblocking solution?
[5:03] <ghostboarder> mythos, hey thanks man, yes will definitely double check. Case is definitely something to trip over
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[5:03] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: the usual browser based crap.
[5:03] <CyberManifest> PHP2forever: don't know if Alpine is compatible with ARM but you may look into it over at Distrowatch
[5:03] <Khaytsus> CyberManifest: I'm not sure I'd consider putting a gui on dd much of a contribution ;) Did you write it? If so, my bad. Good job mate.
[5:04] <LissajousPattern> JakeSays, yeah
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[5:04] <LissajousPattern> what the hell does dd need a gui for?
[5:04] <Khaytsus> ^
[5:04] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: preference.
[5:04] <CompanionCube> also
[5:04] <JakeSays> dont be a putz
[5:04] <Khaytsus> There's even an etcher CLI.
[5:04] <Khaytsus> And we have come full circle
[5:04] <CompanionCube> windows is A Thing
[5:04] <LissajousPattern> thats like hey I am going to make a GUI for ls
[5:05] <LissajousPattern> oh wait thats a file manager
[5:05] <LissajousPattern> hahaha
[5:05] * Khaytsus goes back to merging some branches
[5:05] <LissajousPattern> I will just say when I am using linux I like doing things the "linux way"
[5:05] <JakeSays> this channel is going down hill
[5:05] <LissajousPattern> if there is one
[5:06] <CompanionCube> there is no Linux way
[5:06] <CompanionCube> it's more general than that
[5:06] <LissajousPattern> and if I am using windows its because my other hand is busy doing something else.
[5:06] <JakeSays> CompanionCube: linux way for what?
[5:06] <CompanionCube> JakeSays: 'I like doing things the "linux way"'
[5:06] <CyberManifest> Khaytsus: no I didn't write it; I just appreciate others hard work. And I think it's been a wonderful contribution to 1000s if not Millions of users, not everyone was born with a NIX Manual in hand. So it's helpful to users that want to learn OTHER things and not waste time on the pedantic of terminal commands
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[5:07] <JakeSays> windows has been my primary os since 1985.
[5:08] <JakeSays> CyberManifest: its not wasting time. its just a different preference.
[5:08] <LissajousPattern> well I will say there is an inherent waste of time taking place while using windows
[5:09] <CyberManifest> some find productivity in other things than hashing away terminal commands
[5:09] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: thats a load of crap
[5:10] <LissajousPattern> well I could back it up with computer science.
[5:10] <JakeSays> you can try, but you would fail.
[5:10] <LissajousPattern> whatever dont take it so personal geez
[5:10] <JakeSays> then stop being a dick
[5:10] <LissajousPattern> hahaha
[5:11] <LissajousPattern> I would say thats purely a matter of your perception
[5:11] <LissajousPattern> but cool
[5:11] <LissajousPattern> tell me what does a typing dick look like?
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[5:11] <JakeSays> you're either a dick or you're 12.
[5:11] <LissajousPattern> something like pickle rick I'd imagine
[5:12] <LissajousPattern> JakeSays, for real...? you only show your own age by calling someone else out for being 12.
[5:12] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: you're acting like a spoiled little brat.
[5:12] <LissajousPattern> not to mention whats so threatening to you about someone being 12?
[5:13] <JakeSays> nothing, but your behavior takes away from the community.
[5:13] <LissajousPattern> why would someone being spoiled threaten your existence or intelligence?
[5:13] <LissajousPattern> interesting
[5:13] <LissajousPattern> i appreciate your one sided point of view
[5:13] <JakeSays> you're proving my point.
[5:14] <LissajousPattern> you are the only one here making some sort of "point" by speaking on everyone elses behalf as a community.
[5:15] <JakeSays> yup.
[5:15] <LissajousPattern> thats kind of weird
[5:15] <LissajousPattern> I wonder how all the other people in the community feel about this.
[5:15] <JakeSays> well, the mature ones will agree.
[5:16] <LissajousPattern> have you ever considered their feelings or do you just expect them all to share the same views without question?
[5:17] <LissajousPattern> because it almost sound like, in a roundabout way you think that everyone should just automatically think and act like well yourself.
[5:17] <JakeSays> as i said, the mature ones will agree with me.
[5:17] <JakeSays> yes, they should.
[5:17] <JakeSays> its called being a grown up
[5:18] <LissajousPattern> some people mature for so long that their brains actually start to degrade
[5:18] <LissajousPattern> and some even resort to more child like behavior as a result
[5:18] <LissajousPattern> I hope that never happens to you
[5:18] <JakeSays> it won't.
[5:19] <ghostboarder> work done in altruism is always worthwhile. Elitism is rampant in the unix community, but the cli is a big barrier to entry. I have met more snotty elitists who expect you to not take advantage of a community of millions, and instead slog through the extremely difficult task of learning a powerful OS like linux on your own. Just today, in this channel, i have dealt with that.
[5:19] <LissajousPattern> in fact I hope you spend the rest of your life arguing meaninglessly on IRC with random idiots.
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[5:20] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: ah its good to see you acknowledge your shortcomings
[5:20] <ghostboarder> i have made extensive use of Etcher and dd, so my thanks will always go out to the authors and contributors to both. Etcher has a much lower barrier to entry of course, though.
[5:20] <LissajousPattern> yeah me too... at first I thought I would have been to immature to be able to do that.
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[5:20] <ghostboarder> i ask a lot of what may be considered stupid questions, and the majority of the time i find friendly assistance on irc
[5:20] <mythos> what's etcher?
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[5:21] <ghostboarder> mythos, an app that enables you to burn to sd and usb
[5:21] <mythos> ah, dd with gui
[5:21] <ghostboarder> same as dd basicallyt
[5:21] <JakeSays> i wonder if etcher actually launches dd
[5:21] <mythos> ghormoon, well. fopen and fwrite is hardly something i would consider mentionable
[5:21] <mythos> erm ghostboarder
[5:22] <ghostboarder> lol
[5:22] <JakeSays> mythos: what are you talking about?
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[5:22] <mythos> i can write you such ui in hmm... 10 minutes. maybe not cross-plattform... well, if you consider gtk cross-plattform~
[5:23] <mythos> JakeSays, that's what dd does
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[5:23] <JakeSays> mythos: it does more than that
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[5:23] <mythos> fseek?
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[5:24] <JakeSays> *sigh* another ass.
[5:24] <LissajousPattern> wow
[5:24] <JakeSays> channel is full of them tonight
[5:25] <mythos> JakeSays, i'm just cocky
[5:25] <JakeSays> which makes you an ass
[5:25] <LissajousPattern> dude just likes to be big behind a keyboard
[5:25] <LissajousPattern> its dumb
[5:25] <mythos> everyone has his shortcommings
[5:25] <LissajousPattern> yup
[5:26] <JakeSays> keep your shortcomings out of the channel
[5:26] <LissajousPattern> ha
[5:26] <mythos> guys, i'm just fooling around while sipping my first cup of coffee today. don't be so serious
[5:26] <ghostboarder> one of the other regular users here i have noticed is much like that. I dont know mythos well, but so far they have been very helpful
[5:26] * ghostboarder waves and gives the thumbs up to mythos
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[5:26] <ghostboarder> as for that OTHER user, well, they know who they are
[5:26] <LissajousPattern> for real raspberry pi's are serious business
[5:27] <JakeSays> mythos: you are the only one who knows you're fooling around. others take such comments seriously, which lessens the community
[5:27] <JakeSays> thats my whole point.
[5:27] <ghostboarder> lol, yeah, sarcasm is difficult in real life, never mind irc
[5:27] <LissajousPattern> yeah cause you know everyone just assumes everybody else is a rigid prick
[5:27] <JakeSays> its time tech as a whole grew a personality
[5:27] <LissajousPattern> AI
[5:28] <mythos> JakeSays, that's hyperbolic
[5:28] <JakeSays> how?
[5:28] <ghostboarder> let me change the topic.....(although this is def OT). Does anyone use a dictation app for irc? Lol ive been meaning to for years
[5:28] <ghostboarder> ie NaturallySpeaking
[5:28] <LissajousPattern> when AI gets a personality I dont think we will actually ready for it
[5:28] <mythos> don't wrap everything in a bubble-wrap. it's not helpful
[5:28] <JakeSays> mythos: what are you talking about?
[5:28] <mythos> if someone is really an ass, ping the moderators or use ignore
[5:29] <Khaytsus> ghostboarder: Never change bruh
[5:29] <JakeSays> hell even linus has changed his tune, and he's the king of asses
[5:29] <mythos> linus got mad in his old days
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[5:29] <JakeSays> although you can tell in his commit comments he's definitely biting his tongue. lol
[5:29] <mythos> *shrug* happens to the best
[5:30] <JakeSays> mythos: huh? he was worse when he was young
[5:30] <mythos> yeah, so?
[5:30] <mythos> he was never pc when he was young
[5:30] <JakeSays> thats what i'm saying
[5:30] <Khaytsus> Are fins ever PC?
[5:30] <JakeSays> he's mellowed a ton
[5:31] <ghostboarder> Khaytsus, never will....."bruh"
[5:31] <LissajousPattern> being PC is the worst thing to be
[5:31] <JakeSays> Khaytsus: by fin standards, yes
[5:31] <mythos> JakeSays, now he is more pc. so he got not worse in that sense
[5:31] <Khaytsus> JakeSays: but by everyone elses standards :P
[5:31] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: pc is one thing, courteous and respectful is another
[5:32] <Khaytsus> I think it was a Danish guy I met once that I told someone "god that guy is an ASSHOLE" and they said "You've never met a dane before?" I think the cold makes people very, very direct ;)
[5:32] <LissajousPattern> which being treated with either is not necessarily a right
[5:32] <JakeSays> hell these days its impossible to be PC. our brains can't handle that level of computation
[5:32] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: i never said it was a right.
[5:32] <JakeSays> whether or not its a right is irrelevant
[5:33] <LissajousPattern> I never said you said that so stop trying to make it seem like I am putting word in your mouth geez
[5:33] <LissajousPattern> get the fuck off your high horse already
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[5:33] * Khaytsus backs away slowly
[5:33] <JakeSays> nope. i'm fine right where i'm at.
[5:33] <JakeSays> i've reached my level of tolerance for the way people treat each other.
[5:34] <LissajousPattern> great
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[5:35] <LissajousPattern> I often wonder how many people actually have multiple personalities?
[5:35] <mythos> i'm just happy when poeple are not pc nowadays
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[5:36] <JakeSays> mythos: problem is it can get real expensive not being pc in certain contexts
[5:37] <JakeSays> my fav pc thing is google changing the file extension for brotli files from .bro to .whatever
[5:38] <LissajousPattern> yeah a bunch of lawsuit happy SJWs out there
[5:38] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: very true
[5:38] <JakeSays> especially in tech
[5:38] <mythos> JakeSays, that's just dump
[5:38] <LissajousPattern> agreed
[5:38] <JakeSays> mythos: lol very
[5:38] <JakeSays> i mean its a FILE EXTENSION
[5:39] <JakeSays> its almost as bad as the master/slave controversy
[5:39] <mythos> and there is nothing offensive about brother
[5:39] <JakeSays> mythos: apparently it is if you're a google employee
[5:40] <mythos> *shrug* i will just keep my head down and support all forces that are against pc culture
[5:40] <Khaytsus> hmm, so bro is slow as hell to compress, but faster to decompress than bzip2
[5:40] <JakeSays> right
[5:41] <mythos> Khaytsus, bzip2 is quite slow. so it's not rally an accomplishment
[5:41] <mythos> *really
[5:41] <JakeSays> iirc its also better at compression
[5:41] <mythos> yeah, that's why they developed it ;)
[5:41] <JakeSays> i've been considering moving to it for storing trading data
[5:41] <Khaytsus> bro 11 got 4.3 compression ratio compared to bzip 9 3.8
[5:42] <Khaytsus> But .5MB/sec compression compared to 12. Yikes.
[5:42] <JakeSays> which is fine for write once data
[5:42] <LissajousPattern> the worst thing about PC culture is that it takes some very important subject matter and makes it completely unapproachable out of fear of possibly offending someone.
[5:43] <LissajousPattern> its a dirty ass trick
[5:43] <JakeSays> LissajousPattern: exactly
[5:43] <mythos> btrfs with zlib is much more accessable then normal archive formats and has nearly all archive benefits
[5:43] <mythos> *than
[5:43] <Khaytsus> rip btrfs
[5:43] <JakeSays> mythos: how is it more accessable?
[5:44] <mythos> JakeSays, it's mountable
[5:44] <JakeSays> mythos: ah you mean *nix specific.
[5:44] <mythos> JakeSays, yeah. i only have a windows vm in a virtualbox for "stuff"
[5:45] <mythos> like accessing vmware consoles
[5:45] <JakeSays> most archived data is used for interchange, not for local space conservation
[5:45] <mythos> btrfs send/receive? ;>
[5:46] <mythos> but there is also a btrfs fs driver for windows. reactos added support for btrfs because of it
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[5:48] <JakeSays> yeah but any fs driver not from ms (or some major storage vendor) isn't considered viable
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[5:49] <mythos> btrfs snapshots are worth the risk
[5:49] <JakeSays> i wonder how much better brotli is than lzma
[5:49] <JakeSays> or if its better
[5:51] <Khaytsus> What I looked at the comparison was bzip and bro... the others weren't really in the running
[5:51] <Khaytsus> but every use case differs
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[5:51] <Khaytsus> If you need speed, or low resource usage... it might be a different answer
[5:52] <mythos> well, lzma is kicked out of the kernel. so i don't really have any use for it
[5:52] <mythos> brotli has no wide support either. so the fallback is lzo or xz
[5:52] <JakeSays> you dont use compression for anything but file systems?
[5:52] <Khaytsus> https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/brotli/vignettes/brotli-2015-09-22.pdf
[5:52] <Khaytsus> I found this.. but might be updated bro
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[5:53] <JakeSays> ah. its only marginally better than lzma
[5:54] <JakeSays> woah but it is MUCH faster decompressing
[5:54] <mythos> JakeSays, well, nearly never. what are your use-cases?
[5:54] <JakeSays> mythos: shipping data to clients
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[5:55] <Khaytsus> I wonder if it's multithreaded
[5:56] <Khaytsus> bzip2 itself is NOT. I use pbzip2 most of the time, which is
[5:56] <JakeSays> i use lzma in my archive format. it takes about 3 hours to build an archive. lol
[5:57] <Khaytsus> I use (p)bzip2 everywhere when it comes to stuff like compressing logs etc..
[5:57] <mythos> JakeSays, haha, and you use something different than zip? ;)
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[5:58] <JakeSays> mythos: yes. the data isn't decompressed on the other end, so the archive contains indexes in to the compressed data so it can be used inplace
[5:59] <mythos> yeah, kk. if it's just your app interpreting it, that's fine
[6:00] <JakeSays> right. its a domain specific file format
[6:00] <JakeSays> i searched for six weeks for something that would work
[6:02] <JakeSays> kind of glad i didn't find anything though. it was fun to write.
[6:03] <mythos> great ;>
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[8:02] <jrowe47> so does anyone know of a hat or small board that can accept 128 analog channels with a 1ksps+ rate?
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[8:08] <mlelstv> 128 is a lot
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[8:09] <mlelstv> but you can google for it and find things :)
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[8:11] <mlelstv> https://www.tindie.com/products/FERCSA/128-channel-adc-wi2c-for-arduino-raspberry-pi/
[8:12] <mlelstv> maybe more ideas: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151606
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[8:15] <mlelstv> the first has 128 channels, but it looks like a single i2c bus. So you can have ~8ksps for a single channel, meaning ~64sps if you want to sample all
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[8:16] <jrowe47> thank you
[8:16] <jrowe47> i want to do a 128 channel eeg
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[8:17] <mlelstv> so that's 128 channels with 1ksps each or 1ksps altogether?
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[8:27] <analogist> jrowe47: 128 channels with uV noise floor, 10-100Mohm input impedance, order of 1V range and headroom is not cheap
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[8:35] <analogist> jrowe47: ADS1299 is $50 for 8 ch and tiling that on your own PCB is just about the cheapest solution you’ll likely find at around $6/ channel. Gold-standard research analog frontend ICs are going to run you $12-30 per channel depending on density
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[9:32] <tommy``> good day all guys!
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[9:34] <friendofafriend> Howdy tommy``, wifi going well?
[9:34] <tommy``> nope friendofafriend
[9:34] <tommy``> i've taken pictures
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[9:34] <tommy``> wait
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[9:35] <tommy``> https://i.imgur.com/TtDwiE2.jpg and https://i.imgur.com/ILV9UnT.jpg
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[9:36] <friendofafriend> That's not so bad. It's saying you have the wrong key.
[9:36] <tommy``> no no the key is correct, dunno why router do that thing
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[9:36] <tommy``> i've checked 5 times
[9:37] <friendofafriend> It's also saying something about the country being Great Britain again.
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[9:37] <tommy``> router can only be setted up like Europe, doesn't have Italy
[9:38] <tommy``> Netgear D384G if i remember well
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[9:38] <friendofafriend> Did the wpa_supplicant.conf file change?
[9:38] <tommy``> no it's the same
[9:39] <tommy``> as you can see in the image there is written ASSOCIATED
[9:39] <tommy``> and then timed out
[9:39] <tommy``> reason 3 locally generated 1
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[9:40] <friendofafriend> Right, but that's not the reason in this image. https://i.imgur.com/ILV9UnT.jpg
[9:40] <friendofafriend> In this one, you'll see the reason is reported as "WRONG_KEY".
[9:40] <tommy``> i also changed key but no results
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[9:41] <tommy``> i dunno why i can't choose Italy
[9:42] <tommy``> https://www.netgear.it/support/product/DG834Gv3.aspx this is the router
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[9:46] <friendofafriend> Is 00:22:3F:68:FB:7C really the MAC address of your access point?
[9:46] <tommy``> yes
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[9:47] <tommy``> i also tried using as you said yesterday bssid=<MAC>
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[9:54] <tommy``> With this netgear sometimes happens strange things... when we talk on discord and have some torrents downloading the router crash and losing connection
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[9:55] <tommy``> just like it's "flooding himself"
[9:55] <tommy``> dunno if depends on router or just the adsl connection
[9:55] <friendofafriend> The CPU is slow, there is not much memory. Information here. https://oldwiki.archive.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/dg834g.v3
[9:56] <tommy``> ah!
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[9:58] <tommy``> it's time to throw that netgear on the garbage!
[9:59] <friendofafriend> Ah, I'm sure someone would be happy to have it. :)
[9:59] <friendofafriend> Maybe you can connect to it's UART pins for fun.
[9:59] <friendofafriend> its**
[9:59] <tommy``> really? what fun with it?
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[10:00] <friendofafriend> Ha! I have many routers here for tests and fun. More than 50.
[10:00] <tommy``> wow!
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[10:01] <friendofafriend> It would be a good test to see if you can get UART output, which is important to troubleshooting embedded devices like routers, consumer electronics, even your Raspberry Pi.
[10:02] <tommy``> how can i do that? i could try, but only when my girlfriend didn't see :D it's her router
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[10:04] <friendofafriend> You use a 3V3 UART adapter. https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-3v-5v-USB-to-TTL-Converter-Ch340g-UART-Serial-Adapter-Module-STC-5v-3-3v-6-Pin/292596283845
[10:04] <friendofafriend> They are not very expensive.
[10:04] <tommy``> yeah i see
[10:04] <tommy``> my old router was https://oldwiki.archive.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wag200g
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[10:04] <tommy``> in my house i've fiber now
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[10:05] <friendofafriend> It would be good to have fast access points and routers! ;)
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[10:06] <tommy``> yes
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[10:06] <tommy``> especially for my nervous system
[10:08] <friendofafriend> The Pi is working fine on your other access point? :)
[10:08] <tommy``> here at the work? this morning i forgot it at home inside the cabinet, damn!
[10:09] <tommy``> i can't do any test
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[10:26] <tommy``> friendofafriend: read msg
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[11:00] <Ben_1> hi
[11:00] <Ben_1> Is there a way to show a background image on startup and shutdown? Not the splash screen which disables the boot text
[11:01] <Ben_1> I have replaced the /usr/share/plymouth/debian-logo.png but this image is not shown the whole time but sometimes
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[11:07] <Ben_1> someone an idea how I could show this image on every startup or shutdown?
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[11:14] <tommy``> you mean a splashscreen?
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[11:15] <tommy``> http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/pi-operating-systems/raspbian/custom-boot-up-screen
[11:15] <tommy``> Ben_1:
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[11:49] <Ben_1> tommy``: Thought this will also show a splash screen?
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[11:53] <tommy``> dunno i just searched your request
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[12:13] <chris_99> shiftplusone: hey, sorry to bother you, just wondering with rpi-gen, could i run rpi-update from it do you think?
[12:15] <shiftplusone> yeah, just make sure you do it on_chroot
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[12:15] <chris_99> sweet thanks
[12:15] <shiftplusone> you're welcome
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[12:22] <chris_99> one more question, with rpi-gen, i think it will always try to grab the latest kernel? do you know where i could find the latest kernel ver number?
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[12:26] <ShorTie> https://github.com/raspberrypi
[12:27] <chris_99> ah looks like it's 4.14.71+ for raspbian from my logs, which should fix my network issue without having to use rpi-update i think
[12:27] <ShorTie> linux/Makefile
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[12:28] <ShorTie> they are up to .80
[12:28] <chris_99> hmm interesting, when i did pi-gen it seemed to get 4.14.71+
[12:29] <ShorTie> the kernel comes from firmware though
[12:30] <chris_99> ahh, i haven't booted it yet, maybe it will be .80 too then
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[12:34] <swensson> Can I use this to send and recieve packets from arduino, Geekcreit® ESP8266 Serial Wi-Fi Wireless ESP-01 Adapter Module 3.3V 5V Compatible For Arduino?
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[12:37] <gordonDrogon> I find a bit of wire to the serial port works well, however ...
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[12:39] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea about the esp kit, but I've used serial to wireless units to talk Pi to Atmega in the past. Xbee and Ciseco, although I think the latter are no-longer in production.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> they just acted like transparent bridges - byte in one end and it pops out the other. easy peasy.
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[13:16] <Wizard> Hi
[13:16] <Wizard> Quick question. Raspberry PC desktop only comes in x86 flavour? No x64?
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[13:19] <shiftplusone> There are amd64 packages in the repo, but the pre-built live image and installer is for i286
[13:19] <shiftplusone> *i386
[13:20] <Wizard> Oh, cool
[13:20] <waveform> wow, thought I was back in the 80s there for a mo ...
[13:20] <chris_99> haha
[13:20] <chris_99> i thought i386 support was being dropped? or am i imaging that
[13:20] <shiftplusone> Yeah, just a typo. You're all the way in the 90s.
[13:20] <Wizard> So I could just add repo to regular Debian and install fancy lxde theming? :D
[13:21] <Wizard> Or maybe do you guys provide metapackage, that would be even better :)
[13:21] <shiftplusone> chris_99: i386 in "debian" terms. I think the actual packages are built for 686... maybe 486.... don't remember
[13:21] <chris_99> ahhh
[13:21] <shiftplusone> Wizard: untested. raspberrypi-ui-mods is the metapackage
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I have an i386 box next to me running Unix, but that's no real help for this :)
[13:22] <Wizard> Nah, it goes to an old laptop
[13:22] <Wizard> It can go 32bit, I don’t care :P
[13:22] <Wizard> Thanks!
[13:22] <chris_99> i found this https://www.extremetech.com/computing/143216-linux-drops-support-for-intels-386-processors-but-does-it-really-matter :'(
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Wizard, fwiw: I run debian on my desktop with xfce4 and run the same xfce4 setup on Pi's (on the rare occasion I boot a Pi with a GUI)
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, yea, but I'm running unix, not linux ;-)
[13:23] <chris_99> you can still run an old kernel i guess anyway heh. What unix thoo
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> sysVr3
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> it's a mighty 16Mhz 386dx with 4MB of ram... those were the days ...
[13:24] <shiftplusone> Wizard: if it's a 64bit processor, it will use an amd64 kernel
[13:24] <mlelstv> xenix? :)
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> mlelstv, no unix.
[13:25] <mlelstv> xenix is also a unix variant.
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[13:26] <mlelstv> not sure how much svr3 is in it
[13:27] <chris_99> we've got an ancient laptop which may be 386 maybe, with a b&w lcd and a massive battery back that weighs a tonne
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> the battery will almost likely be dead now ..
[13:28] <chris_99> yeah i think it is heh
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> it might still run an older Linux though, but I'm sort of of the opinion that resurecting old stuff like this may not be worth the effort because while yea, it can run something productive with linux, at what cost in electricity compared to a Pi or even a modern low power desktop..
[13:29] <chris_99> mm that's true wrt electricity
[13:29] <mlelstv> at 4MB it barely fits a modern kernel
[13:30] <mlelstv> qemu running on the pi might be faster.
[13:32] <spaces> Pi people you can setup servers! https://supertuxkart.net/Main_Page
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> servers for what?
[13:34] <spaces> for supertuxkart :)
[13:34] <spaces> multiplayer
[13:36] <H__> nice work
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't appear to support Pi ..
[13:37] <spaces> it does, check the blog
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> nah, can't be bothered, sorry. I just checked the faq and got bored.
[13:37] <chris_99> spaces: what's it written in?
[13:37] <Wizard> I bet C or python.
[13:37] <chris_99> i was thinking c++
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[13:38] <Wizard> C++
[13:38] <Lartza> C++ and C
[13:38] <Lartza> Oh they are just using C libraries
[13:39] <chris_99> i'm curious wot it uses for the 3D stuffs
[13:39] <H__> plain opengl I presume
[13:40] <Lartza> Irrlicht
[13:40] <Wizard> Irrlicht is nice.
[13:40] <chris_99> oh not heard of that before
[13:40] <Wizard> I wish there was a library like it but in C.
[13:40] <Lartza> It used to use SDL and PLIB
[13:40] <Wizard> C++ makes me cry.
[13:40] <spaces> C and it's fun it seems!
[13:40] <chris_99> does anyone recall klick n play/ the games factory heh
[13:41] <Wizard> Never heard of it.
[13:41] <Lartza> Vaguely, I was more familiar with other similar projectws
[13:41] <chris_99> they're both things you make games in for windows, but without really programming
[13:41] <Lartza> Like game maker
[13:41] <chris_99> thats an OSS one i think?
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[13:42] <Lartza> Oh not at all
[13:42] <Lartza> They don't even have a free version anymore afaik
[13:42] <chris_99> oh heh
[13:42] <Lartza> I mean a Trial but they used to be more like Unity iirc
[13:43] <chris_99> i made a very terrible game in darkbasic ages ago which was quite a fun program
[13:43] <Lartza> I guess that didn't pay well enough
[13:44] <Wizard> lol
[13:44] <Wizard> I’m currently exploring Defold.
[13:44] <Wizard> Nice engine, good documentation, awful editor.
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[13:46] <chris_99> i just remembered this - https://blog.github.com/2018-10-15-game-off-returns-november-2018/ which started on the 1st nov apparently
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[13:48] <Lartza> Wizard, Pff, editors. Write code ;)
[13:48] <Lartza> Man, "Proficient with Python? Check out Pygame."
[13:48] <Lartza> Pygame sucks, I wish it didn't but it really does
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[13:49] <Wizard> Lartza: I do. You code it in Lua
[13:49] <Lartza> So open up vim and :P
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[13:49] <Wizard> :|
[13:49] <Wizard> Not that easy
[13:50] <Wizard> As you have to bind scripts you write with game objects, maps, animations you lay out in the editor
[13:50] <chris_99> cool, does it use luajit out of interest
[13:50] <Wizard> No idea
[13:50] <Wizard> http://defold.com/
[13:51] <Lartza> chris_99, "For HTML5 and iOS 64 bit platforms we use Lua 5.1 but for other platforms we use LuaJIT."
[13:51] <chris_99> ah ta
[13:51] <chris_99> it's an OSS project then is it?
[13:51] <Lartza> Yes
[13:51] <chris_99> sweet, may look into that then, as i like lua
[13:51] <Lartza> Or... free at least?
[13:52] <Lartza> Oh it isn't OSS, but is indeed free
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[13:54] <Lartza> Oh cool, pygame are making a pygame 2 based on sdl2
[13:54] <chris_99> aha
[13:54] <chris_99> i'm going to play with pysdl2 soon to make a very basic stop frame ani thing
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[14:15] <tommy``> does mplayer still have aalib?
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[14:19] <Wizard> chris_99: No, it’s not OSS. If you need something similar, but OSS, check Love2D.
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[14:19] <Wizard> Way less capable.
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[14:19] <chris_99> ah thanks
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[14:42] <onca> hey is anyone familiar with an error where the rpi running X and any desktop manager locks up in such a way that the cursor moves, x runs fine but the windows dont respond, move, resize or exit, even if their processes are killed.
[14:43] <onca> to make things more interesting if I restart X the display goes black with only a cursor.
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[14:59] <Wizard> onca: Weird, nope.
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[15:02] <onca> darn, I'm getting amazing performance on this besides that one quirk.
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[15:02] <Wizard> onca: Does it happen with any window manager?
[15:03] <onca> well several of them. I don't know about fluxbox
[15:03] <Khaytsus> onca: What power supply are you using?
[15:03] <onca> I have a 10watt usb 5v thing adapter
[15:05] <Khaytsus> For a phone, or actually for a pi?
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[15:09] <onca> It was for a wireless access point
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[15:09] <onca> I have a power supply designed for a pi.
[15:10] <onca> it's powering a pi-hole currently.
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[15:12] <onca> it's display stopped working after I tried plugging in a pihat as well. rip.
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[15:20] <onca> I prefer the 5v 2a rippling dc charger but I have booted up the pi 3B+ with the different power source.
[15:23] <Khaytsus> I suspect you're having PSU problems.
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[15:34] <onca> that would be nice.
[15:34] <onca> if this issue could be resolved by changing it's psu.
[15:34] <onca> thanks, I'll try that.
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[15:44] <Tenkawa> now that I've cross compiled my kernel successfully...time to work on other stuff
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[15:48] <shiftplusone> I say quit while you're ahead and take a well deserved nap.
[15:48] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[15:48] <Tenkawa> I like a challenge
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[15:50] <Tenkawa> I use to port microchannel code
[15:50] <Tenkawa> that was harsh
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[15:52] <onca> I'd like to cross compile binaries for my pi's - but I use bsd and don't know how :c
[15:53] <Tenkawa> why bsd variant?
[15:53] <Tenkawa> er which
[15:54] <Tenkawa> goofy up arrow started my sentence
[15:54] <chris_99> i used dockcross to do that, which uses docker, i think it would work on a bsd too
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[15:54] <onca> I really like to install freebsd onto zfs roots
[15:54] <Tenkawa> I think theres bsds ported to pi already
[15:55] <onca> I tried that.
[15:55] <onca> yes, it works.
[15:55] <onca> that is a consideration.
[15:55] <onca> but that would require a great deal more effort, to get right.
[15:56] <onca> maybe not.
[15:56] <hodapp> I'm using FreeBSD on a Pi 3 now.
[15:56] <Tenkawa> freebsd has good support from what I've heard
[15:57] <Tenkawa> I'm thinking of getting me another pi 3+ for it
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[15:59] <onca> FreeBSD's documentation is great! Conversely I just installed alpine onto my new 3B+ - it's super fast! but there's not extensive documentation, though the tutorials I've found have been very very helpful, though error prone. Except for the desktop periodically freezing. Hopefully khaytsus was right about that.
[15:59] <hodapp> ah, I'm not using the desktop on mine
[15:59] <hodapp> just server stuff
[15:59] <Khaytsus> Pi's act really wonky without a good clean power supply
[16:00] <Khaytsus> they have no filtering, no buffering... or very little
[16:00] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: what's up with your dead pmic pile? Accidental shorting or something else?
[16:00] <hodapp> that was the case on the Pi 1s at least, but with the Pi 3s I have been using all sorts of completely ill-advised power solutions and not had problems
[16:01] <onca> are you saying I shouldn't be charging my headphones and vape batteries off my raspi's usb ports?
[16:01] <Khaytsus> My pi 3 in the garage was super flakey until I stopped using a phone charger.. it randomly locked up and/or just rebooted
[16:01] <Khaytsus> onca: at all
[16:01] <onca> I seriously was
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[16:02] <Tenkawa> onca: yeah they are not controlled ports
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[16:02] <hodapp> I was charging phones on them here at $job (because PEOPLE KEPT STEALING MY BLOODY POWER SUPPLIES)
[16:02] <Tenkawa> do not expect their output to be consistent
[16:02] * hodapp glares at Allison in marketing
[16:04] <Tenkawa> minimally they would need to be on isolated buses which they arent or have a more extensive pmu
[16:04] <chris_99> start using non standard voltage usb chargers ;)
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[16:04] <hodapp> mine are not terribly standard as-is
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[16:07] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, accidental shorts - this time putting it on top of the end of a shielded cat6 :(
[16:09] <shiftplusone> ouch. might be time to start using cases?
[16:10] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, I think I only have one 3b+ left - time to stick to the 3b without the poor pmic on a board designed for tinkering
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[16:11] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I was surprised when I fried a 3B+. Would be nice if there was some short protection there.
[16:11] <onca> what is the maximum amperage I should provide a pi?
[16:11] <Tenkawa> amperage isnt a problem
[16:11] <shiftplusone> onca: a pi takes what it needs, so there's no maximum. You should aim for 2-2.5A minimum though.
[16:11] <hodapp> it will draw what it needs.
[16:11] <Tenkawa> its voltage
[16:11] <Khaytsus> GEt a $7 pi charger.
[16:12] <Khaytsus> psu
[16:12] <onca> I have one. It's only 2.5A
[16:12] <Tenkawa> you need a ranged voltaged and a minimum amperage
[16:12] <Tenkawa> onca: plenty
[16:12] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, if it was one of the public variants I'd just replace it but the frustration is increased due to it being another unobtainable custom ic :(
[16:12] <Tenkawa> 5 v steady
[16:13] <Tenkawa> needs to be clean though
[16:13] <Tenkawa> a lot of them arent
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[16:14] <onca> ok, hmm. this adapter is kind of bulky, are there any good ones that are small?
[16:15] <onca> I have too many wires.
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[16:15] <Tenkawa> plenty but you need to make sure they are good quality
[16:15] <Tenkawa> so what is the output
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[16:16] <Tenkawa> exactly in volts and a/ma
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[16:53] <onca> so, my desktop locked up again using the new charger.
[16:53] <friendofafriend> Is "my desktop" a Raspberry Pi?
[16:55] <Khaytsus> And charger = a real psu?
[16:55] <Khaytsus> Or just another random power supply
[16:57] <onca> sorry yea.
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[16:59] <onca> well, actually, now I don't know if this is a raspberry pi charger.
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[17:00] <onca> I though it came with the "official raspberry pi 7" touchscreen display" order I placed, but it doesn't show one in the product page.
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[17:18] <BurtyB> onca, does it have a raspberry logo on the PSU case?
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[17:32] <onca> It does not.
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[18:48] <CyberManifest> I was following along with the guide here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/users.md and under "Sudoers" section I noticed that "pi" isn't in the file; why is a new user different or acquiring sudo privileges differently?
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[18:59] <BurtyB> CyberManifest, it's in /etc/sudoers.d/010_pi-nopasswd file for the pi user
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[19:36] <chris_99> https://unitetechno.com/dt_catalog/pc-classic/ does this use a Pi i wonder...
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> I don't think so.
[19:47] <malen> yello people!
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> there's not much room in the case to breakout the usb port - and add on a video + L&R audio ports.
[19:48] <chris_99> mm something pi-like maybe then, unless it uses a modern 486 chip maybe
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> they say in the comments it is ARM though.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> unless it's a compute module...
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[20:17] <maszlo> Greetings channel. I am having some issues that is likely something simple was wondering if could get a pointer
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[20:18] <Khaytsus> What type of pointer? We have int, double, float, and char available
[20:18] <maszlo> I am new to Pi Zero. Just picked up a 1.3 and a W version of the chip. The problem i seem to have is that i can connect into the pi over ssh using the RNDIS, but not able to have it access the internet across that connection
[20:19] <Khaytsus> Over wifi you can't connect to ssh? That's quite odd.
[20:19] <Khaytsus> I've never used anything else
[20:19] <analogist> maszlo: you’ll need to set up internet connection sharing in your windows
[20:19] <maszlo> currently working with the Pi zero 1.3 model.
[20:20] <analogist> maszlo: since you’re basically needing your windows system to serve as a gateway / “router” for your pi zero
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[20:20] <maszlo> analogist: should there need to be a similar action if using ubuntu?
[20:20] <analogist> maszlo: oh, sorry, yes. You’ll need to set up route forwarding in nix
[20:21] <maszlo> that just pointing the 'gateway' / computer ip to my lan gateway?
[20:21] <maszlo> honestly never done connection sharing from linux
[20:21] <analogist> maszlo: look up two network cards ip forwarding
[20:22] <analogist> maszlo: you need 3-4 iptables rules directing traffic from your internet facing network interface on Ubuntu, to the pi-facing network interface
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[20:22] <maszlo> is this a hole i dug from setting a static ip on the pi, or similar steps either way?
[20:23] <analogist> maszlo: otherwise those two interfaces are separated by default
[20:23] <maszlo> analogist: thanks for pointer.. this is what i was seeing from wireshark when was trying to figure out what was going on
[20:23] <analogist> maszlo: no, OSes don’t want to be forwarding traffic across interfaces unless explicitly told to, so this is something you have to set up manually
[20:25] <analogist> maszlo: You’ll also need to flip one setting in your sysctl, the one that says “we are not a router”
[20:25] <analogist> maszlo: since in this case you do want your Ubuntu system to be a router :)
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[20:29] <maszlo> analogist: figures when get to the part to try i have meeting and need to step away.. Thanks for the pointers! i might be back
[20:29] <analogist> maszlo: also realized that the above is most relevant if your Ubuntu install is console only. There may be an easy GUI toggle in network manager
[20:30] <maszlo> analogist: it is gnome install of ubuntu. I will check there before attempting with iptables
[20:30] <analogist> maszlo: i haven’t used Ubuntu much in desktop mode, so check your network manager and see if there is a few-clicks way to share one interface to other interfaces
[20:30] <analogist> maszlo: actually just googled Ubuntu connection sharing and it seems to exist
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[20:32] <analogist> maszlo: the same guide actually also has nice pointers for the iptables routing as well if you need to go by that route, though it seems like you might be ok without https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
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[20:33] <analogist> maszlo: there are other little annoying gotchas docs don’t tend to cover like where ufw’s copy of sysctl.conf takes precedence over /etc/sysctl.conf, but I don’t think you’ll run into this
[20:35] <CyberManifest> BurtyB: thank you for the response; I'm curious about all this because I'd like to add a new user (my own) and delete the "pi" user but still retain the usual permissions and access that the default "pi" user had
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[20:42] <CyberManifest> I've noticed on Boot that it auto login's to the user "pi" is there a way to switch this to auto login with a different user?
[20:42] <Khaytsus> https://google.com/search?q=disable+pi+user
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[20:44] <CyberManifest> Khaytsus: I already had https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/usage/users.md but that doesn't address Auto Logining with a different user
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[20:46] <friendofafriend> Edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf . Find the line that says autologin-user=pi and change it.
[20:47] <Simonious> I've got a raspi running.. I want the same everything running on another raspi, however the volume is too big to just copy to the other SD card. The information on that volume is plenty small. This seems like an easy problem, but I'm interested in hearing if anyone has a 'best path' approach.
[20:47] <friendofafriend> You want to clone the contents of one SD card to another, but the new SD card is smaller than the previous?
[20:47] <Simonious> yes
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[20:49] <friendofafriend> This might be up your alley.
[20:49] <friendofafriend> https://github.com/billw2/rpi-clone
[20:50] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: that won't work for me since I'm using "slim" and not "lightdm"
[20:51] <Simonious> I have no GUI, I'm running lite.
[20:51] <friendofafriend> CyberManifest: Like this? https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/SLiM_Configuration#Enable_Auto-Login_in_the_SLiM_Configuration_file
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[20:52] <friendofafriend> Simonious: Do you have another Linux machine?
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[20:52] <Simonious> yes
[20:54] <friendofafriend> Are you familiar with gparted, Simonious?
[20:54] <Simonious> no
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[20:55] <friendofafriend> It's a friendly partition editor for Linux with a nice interface, and plenty of documentation.
[20:55] <Simonious> CLI?
[20:56] <friendofafriend> You could use parted from the CLI, but it's more complicated to try doing it from the Pi itself.
[20:56] <Simonious> I don't but a GUI on any of the linux machines I use
[20:56] <Simonious> I tend to develop in vim
[20:57] <Simonious> on a remote VM that I ssh into
[20:57] <Simonious> I use headless beaglebones and raspis for various tasks.. again no GUI
[20:57] <Simonious> so if CLI is an option, then gparted might work for me :)
[20:57] <friendofafriend> Oh, cool. Then clone the SD card, resize the partition to remove free space with maybe a hundred MB of headroom or so, and clone it again.
[20:57] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: you're missing the point; in raspi-config the only two options are "B3 Desktop Desktop GUI, requiring user to login" and "B4 Desktop Autologin Desktop GUI, automatically logged in as 'pi' user" there isn't an option to "Desktop Autologin Desktop GUI, AUTOMATICALLY LOGGED IN as another/different user.
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[20:58] <friendofafriend> CyberManifest: So, you're not saying you're having trouble *doing* auto-login. You're saying it *should* be in raspi-config?
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[20:59] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: I'm saying additional users aren't treated equal to the 'pi' user
[21:00] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: I'd like to have a working replacement of pi in place without changing 50+ change points and configurations
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[21:04] <friendofafriend> CyberManifest: Right, because normally a Linux distro has an installer.
[21:06] <friendofafriend> Something like Raspbian is just a flat image file plopped onto an SD card, so it's full of defaults.
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[21:25] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: is there any plans or work being done on making an installer for raspbian ?
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[21:27] <friendofafriend> It would add a lot of complexity to Raspbian, not to mention the documentation already written on the process. Might I recommend rolling a post-install script for your needs, maybe with raspi-config as a template?
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[21:32] <ali1234> it isn't possible to make a true "install disk" for raspberry pi due to hardware limitations - and that goes for most arm systems
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[21:40] <friendofafriend> Well, it'd certainly be pretty complicated. We can boot from USB and even PXE on the Pi3, so an installer wouldn't seem to be out of the question.
[21:41] <ali1234> only after installing a patched boot rom, booting it up once, then deleting it
[21:41] <ali1234> and neither works if there is an operating system found on the SD card, even if that operating system doesn't actually boot up for some reason
[21:42] <DrJ> instead of an installation disk and going through all that entails... maybe try something like https://www.pibakery.org
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[21:43] <DrJ> that is kind of like going through an install and it spits out the finished product ready to be written to the SD card
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[22:58] <rungcc> Well, hello everyone! I bring to you guys a question! I'm currently experimenting with Lua and the lua-periphery library (no, I'm not planning on using Python, I'm sorry), but since they don't have a PWM feature on their library, I was considering writing it my own. My main problem tho is that I'm not able to access it from the pi user. I've searched a lot and some guides online haven't worked out for me, and at some point I was redirected to a
[22:58] <rungcc> github issue report that mark it as solved for the current kernel version I'm running. Still, I'm not being able to use pwm directly from the shell, Does anyone know how can I activate or setup this? if this don't become available for the pi user, I'll not be able to write a library for it.
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> rungcc, I replied in #raspbian. not always a good idea to spam your question everywhere though )-:
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[23:04] <norwood67> hey, about half the time when i reboot my headless rpi zero w, they hang before getting on the network. the green light is solid green. if i pull the power and plug it back in, most will boot then.
[23:04] <norwood67> thoughts?
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[23:05] <norwood67> i wonder if it is the fdsk asking a question?
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> only way you'll find out is to stick a monitor on it
[23:06] <Snert_> ig you're booting from SD then the SD is a good suspect
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> (or use a serial console)
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[23:08] <norwood67> ok. that is kind of what i thought.
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[23:16] <norwood67> looks like it is in emergency mode
[23:17] <norwood67> looks like it timed out while scanning the disk
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[23:52] <norwood67> FYI - the fcsk wasn't finishing (large disk, longer to check) before the systemd timeout happened. change the default timeout in /etc/systemd/system.conf to 15 minutes. DefaultTimeoutStartSec=900s a couple of article indicate this will fix it
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[23:58] <shauno> well that's good to know. I'd be tempted to look if you can change the timeout just for that unit though. you don't want a 15 minute timeout on everything. mine likes to timeout waiting for a network, for example
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[23:59] <norwood67> oh ...
[23:59] <norwood67> good to know
[23:59] <norwood67> i'll me see
[23:59] <shauno> (or it might work for you. your setup isn't my setup. just food for thought)

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