#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-11-15

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[0:00] <norwood67> yeah, for the furnace control, i don't want it to hang if there is no network.
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[0:04] <norwood67> shauno, actually this timeout it to keep systemd from giving up trying to start something
[0:04] <shauno> reminds me, I have a rather annoying bug to track down in my furnace. 'sometimes' when you start it manually, it gets into an arguement with itself and ends up turning itself on & off & on & off .. several times a second
[0:05] <norwood67> do you push a button for it to start when you say manual?
[0:05] <shauno> yeah. it is debounced, but I needed to keep a button for WAF
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[0:06] <norwood67> is the debounced timed from the first push or the last recorded one
[0:06] <shauno> the wierd thing is the way my loop runs, the whole thing should be debounced. it makes this decision once a minute. I can't figure out how it gets stuck in tickertickertickerticker
[0:06] <norwood67> cached?
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[0:07] <norwood67> like the object is waiting for you to check it
[0:07] <shauno> the button doesn't drive anything direct. it flips a flag that's read next time that one-minute loop runs
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[0:07] <norwood67> hmmm
[0:08] <shauno> on the plus side, I don't think I still have the code for the switch, so the whole thing's gonna get a rewrite
[0:08] <norwood67> what kind of a relay?
[0:08] <shauno> not entirely sure. it's one of the sonoff switches
[0:09] <shauno> (the sonoff touch, for maximum WAF)
[0:09] <norwood67> WAF?
[0:09] <norwood67> women in the Air Force
[0:10] <shauno> wife-acceptance factor. I have minimum usability limits I must meet
[0:10] <norwood67> World Armwrestling Federation?
[0:10] <norwood67> LOL
[0:10] <norwood67> that is great
[0:10] <shauno> eg, there must be a button. it must do what she expects it to do. my scripts should never be the primary decision maker.
[0:11] <norwood67> the joys of being single, it just has to not annoy me. the kids, i just say put on a sweater
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[0:11] <shauno> I see it as a rather dull interpretation of asimov's laws of robotics
[0:12] <shauno> the system can be as clever as it likes, but rule #1 is to do as its told
[0:12] <norwood67> the best thing I do, is to look for the cell phones, if they are on the wifi, the furnace, will run
[0:12] <norwood67> good rule
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[0:13] <shauno> I have a weird list mine runs though. one of them is to grab our calendars off ical and fire up if anyone's finishing work in the next 30 minutes
[0:13] <norwood67> that is a good one
[0:13] <shauno> (if both of us are at work, it turns the set-point down. when we're due home, it puts it back, which almost always involves firing up)
[0:14] <norwood67> i like vacation mode from the calendar. it will start heating the house for it to be at temp at a set return time
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[0:14] <shauno> yeah, I've been trying to figure out how to do something similar
[0:15] <shauno> if we travel it almost always involves flights. and flights are always in my calendar.
[0:15] <shauno> but if she goes home without me (which isn't rare), there's flights in my calendar but I'm not leaving
[0:15] <shauno> I'm trying to avoid getting to the point where I'm putting events in the calendar *just* for this
[0:16] <norwood67> right, my kids are at their mom's every other week, so the weeks the aren't here, the furnace starts at a different time in the morning
[0:16] <norwood67> almost all the just because was solved by the wifi lookuip
[0:16] <shauno> (eg, for me it reads work from a calendar. for her, it assumes 9-5 and reads public holidays from a calendar. otherwise I need to maintain a calendar of her workdays that no-one's actually using)
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[0:17] <shauno> I went for the calendar over trying to detect presence because I like the idea of it heating before I need it, not after
[0:18] <shauno> (so I come home to a warm house. I don't come home to a cold house but with the furnace running)
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[0:18] <norwood67> right, i get that
[0:19] <shauno> it might help to add more sources so it can "tell" when the calendar isn't telling the full story though
[0:19] <norwood67> i'm not in a really cold region so i have some wiggle room
[0:19] <norwood67> the problem i have wiht only the calendar is when plans change
[0:20] <shauno> ireland's not really cold, it's just wet and miserable. having heat when you come home is more of a mental blankie than anything else
[0:20] <norwood67> so, i decide to work at home, and forget the furnace is off starting at 9am
[0:20] <norwood67> then the first time i notice i'm freezing so having the wifi keeps it from turning off
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[0:21] <norwood67> what other things do you control with the rpi?
[0:22] <shauno> I'm actually not using a pi for most of this :) most of it's in node or node-red running on my NAS
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[0:22] <norwood67> ah
[0:22] <shauno> but it's a fairly small list. lights, heating, alarm clock, espresso machine
[0:23] <shauno> (it's a rental, so I'm already pushing my luck with what I can/should alter)
[0:23] <shauno> eg the furnace used to be on a mechanical timer. it's sat in a box, so I can swap it back out with the sonoff if/when I need to
[0:23] <norwood67> right. i own but i know i'll have to rip out the custom stuff when i go to sale
[0:24] <shauno> I think I'd be dangerous if I owned
[0:24] <norwood67> well, i'm sure the WAF would keep you on a short leash
[0:25] <shauno> sometimes it's healthy to have a little voice in the back of my head that says no
[0:25] <shauno> WAF doesn't mean you can't do things, it just means you have to think them through first
[0:25] <norwood67> :)
[0:26] <norwood67> i'm wanting to getting window shade that i can raise and lower
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[0:26] <shauno> I keep wanting to get my roomba in on the fun
[0:27] <norwood67> how so?
[0:27] <shauno> I like the idea of it deciding that if everyone's at work, we're not due home any time soon, and it hasn't been run for a couple of days .. to just go and have a whip around
[0:28] <shauno> I don't like running it when I'm home because it's louder than it has any right to be. not so much from the motors, but because it navigates using a similar algorithm to how drunk people follow footpaths. it's very collision-based.
[0:29] <norwood67> right
[0:29] <shauno> unfortunately I cheaped out and got the very bottom of the range. so the only option I have for controlling it is to have something else ride it like a parasite, and hook into the serial port
[0:29] <BCMM> wait, so they actually slam in to stuff?
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[0:30] <BCMM> i kind of assumed it had a proximity sensor or something, and turned around when it was only *about* to hit something
[0:30] <shauno> mine does. it's 5-6 years old and the simplest model they had then. the whole front end of it is a button. it navigates by headbutting (headbutton?)
[0:30] <BCMM> that sounds like it would be hilarious for the first few hours
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[0:31] <shauno> I dunno. maybe I'm simple. it still amuses me :)
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[0:32] <shauno> especially when it gets stuck under a chair and everywhere it turns, it collides with another leg
[0:32] <norwood67> maybe a little decoration for it, like a cyclone light on the top
[0:32] <shauno> it'll sit and drive itself nuts for a little while, and then it stops and plays a sad song
[0:32] <norwood67> lol
[0:32] <BCMM> d'awww
[0:33] <shauno> (sad song = lost, happy song = done, "error, error, move roomba to a new location" = it's not sure where the floor went)
[0:33] <BCMM> i kind of want a roomba now, but my house is a bit too stair-based i think
[0:34] <shauno> oh, sad song can also mean the motor wasn't quite powerful enough to eat this cable, but it's made a valiant effort and requires a doggie bag for the rest
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[0:35] <shauno> "can you help me finish this ethernet cord, I appear to have a modem stuck in my teeth"
[0:36] <norwood67> that is funny
[0:36] <norwood67> do you have pets? i hear it running over scat is not funny or vomit
[0:36] <shauno> I don't. but yeah .. I've seen pictures.
[0:36] <shauno> I've also seen cats riding them, so I'm torn on that one.
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[0:37] <shauno> I mean there's pros and cons of that particular combination
[0:37] <BCMM> "Cat In A Shark Costume Chases A Duck While Riding A Roomba"
[0:37] <BCMM> ?
[0:37] <norwood67> yeah, the cats riding them is weird as i'm surprised a cat gets near it
[0:37] <shauno> lol, I believe I've seen that one too
[0:37] <shauno> but even without costumes, they take on a very dalek appearance when they just sit there
[0:38] <shauno> it seems their impulse to have their butt heated overrides their natural fear of hairsuckers
[0:38] <BCMM> i wonder how much cheaper they could make it if they dispensed with all the cleaning stuff and made one just for cats to ride
[0:38] <shauno> they used to have a model that didn't the cleaning bits
[0:39] <shauno> https://store.irobot.com/default/create-programmable-programmable-robot-irobot-create-2/RC65099.html?cgid=us
[0:39] <norwood67> that is cool
[0:40] <BCMM> oh it's like half the price
[0:40] <BCMM> i think i need to get a cat
[0:41] <shauno> they're basically refurbs. they take a retired cleaner, wire in the serial port for you, put the programming cable in the box, and call it educational
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[0:41] <norwood67> reuse, renew, retread
[0:42] <shauno> not saying it's a bad idea at all. but if you can find a used/tired model with a healthy battery, you can do the same yourself
[0:44] <norwood67> shauno, do you use mqtt?
[0:44] <shauno> I do
[0:44] <norwood67> any open/close sensors that can use wifi and sent an mqtt message?
[0:45] <shauno> for almost everything. I love the concept. it lets me keep each hack as a standalone blob, with as little dependency on each other as possible
[0:45] <shauno> that I don't have. I need to look into sensors again. I love mine because they last years on battery. but the company that made them disappeared
[0:46] <norwood67> yeah. i just want one that makes sure the front do is closed before the furnace comes on
[0:46] <norwood67> i thought i remember a conversations about this a whiel back but can't seem to find it
[0:47] <shauno> I have some from a company called ciesco (previously wirelessthings). I have temp/humidity which gets about 3 years out of a coin battery, and a temp/pressure one that gets about 2 years out of a weird stubby battery that looks like it belongs in an 80s camera
[0:48] <shauno> they even made a module specifically for the pi. unfortunately someone bought them out, did a very good job of hiding any documentation they ever published, and then went under
[0:49] <BCMM> shauno: is the stubby battery one of those tiny 12v ones for doorbells?
[0:50] <Khaytsus> I hate those batteries.. I need to get some more, my 433mhz remotes use 'em
[0:50] <shauno> BCMM, nah, it's a little 3v litium battery that's about one third of a AA
[0:51] <shauno> it's pretty much a coincell on steriods. the pcb even has a footprint to accomodate either/or
[0:53] <shauno> but this is why I started botching together my own systems. every time I buy into someone's platform they mess it up
[0:54] <shauno> I got some belkin wemo switches. they kept promising homekit was coming. when it finally arrived, it meant buying new switches. so I have a small node script connecting them to mqtt instead
[0:54] <shauno> I got the first gen of philips hue. they did the same thing. when homekit finally came, it meant buying the 2nd gen hub. so I have a small node script connecting it to mqtt too ..
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[0:56] <shauno> so I have homekit2mqtt bringing this all to 'siri' because the vendors couldn't. but all my automation talks to mqtt, not siri. so if apple betray me too, they're also a disposable widget
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[0:57] <norwood67> :)
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[1:02] <norwood67> later shauno , thanks for the chat
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[1:04] <shauno> 'night
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[1:28] <widp_> I still have the issue of not being able to ssh into a bridged rpi
[1:28] <widp_> any help is greatly appreciated.
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[1:41] <BurtyB> widp_, how do you have things setup?
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[2:01] <Solarbaby> I keep digging myself into a larger ditch with berryboot and /boot/config.txt
[2:03] <Solarbaby> My problem is I've always had problems understanding how to get the onboard raspberrypi analogue audio working.
[2:03] <Khaytsus> huh? Just works. It's not great, but it just works.
[2:03] <Solarbaby> for a short time I used a dac for audio, though it's power requirements hinder the pi's performance
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[2:04] <Solarbaby> Khaytsus, sometimes it doesn't work for a certain percentage of people
[2:04] <Khaytsus> I typically use cheap usb sound cards when I need better quality and/or a mic
[2:04] <Khaytsus> Solarbaby: um.... k if you say so
[2:04] <Solarbaby> I happen to have experience being that percentage
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[2:04] <Solarbaby> as I've been using the pi for about 3 years
[2:04] <Khaytsus> I've used a lot of pi's and a lot of them with some audio out for radio stuff and never had an issue
[2:05] <Khaytsus> But I'm sure you have some special case of using some special thing or set up some special way
[2:05] <Solarbaby> I've changed my settings over time to use the dac, but now I can't seem to undo it
[2:05] <ShorTie> you using powered speakers ??
[2:05] <Solarbaby> I do use powered speakers
[2:06] <Solarbaby> alsamixer reports that it can't start
[2:06] <Solarbaby> I probably dirtied things up a bit... a fresh install would be a over step though
[2:08] <Solarbaby> strange, berryboot uses a rpi 2 kernel image, but there is no rpi 3 kernel image
[2:08] <Solarbaby> and I am using a pi 3
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[2:41] <magicberry> hello
[2:43] <magicberry> i have an old wifiless computer that i want to connect through ethernet to a raspberry pi 3b+ so it can gain access to the internet thourgh the raspberry's wifi. basically the setup is like this
[2:44] <magicberry> [old PC]-----ethernet cable-----[RBpi3b+] ) ) ) Wifi ) ) ) [modem]
[2:45] <magicberry> could someone help me or point me to a tutorial for something like it? i have already followed a bunch but none work; i suspect they are outdated
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[3:04] <borillion> The ROM on the board loads bootcode.bin at 0x80000000, is this at the 2147483648 bit location in memory?
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[3:13] <shauno> sort of. you probably want to take alook at this and see if it makes more sense to you than it does me; https://www.raspberrypi.org/app/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[3:13] <shauno> but it seems there's more than one memory map, so the actual address is going to depend on how you're talking to memory. I think a lot of the bootcode runs on the gpu, so it probably has a good excuse for using physical mapping instead of the MMU
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[3:15] <shauno> (otherwise, yes, 0x8000 0000 is the 2.1gig mark. but it might not be 0x8000 0000 depending on which window you're looking through)
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[3:25] <shauno> so on the big graph on page5; 0x8000 0000 on the VC is actually 0x0000 0000 on the arm's map, just accessed via an alias that skips L1 cache
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[3:34] <borillion> @shauno looks like its also the start of the L2 cache. https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/tree/master/dumpbootenv
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[4:14] <clever> borillion: i was under the impression that bootcode.bin is responsible for enabling the dram controller
[4:15] <clever> borillion: maybe the "L2 Cached" area of the address space is a hardware level thing, and without the dram, you can only store an L2's worth of data in there, before data just expires and vanishes from ram
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[4:24] <PHP2forever> Seriously... What are my choices to run on the RPI? I want to use it as a "PHP + PostgreSQL slave", that is, only perform CLI PHP and PostgreSQL databasing. Nothing else. And a built-in and secure web control panel, so I don't have to SSH in and type in a million commands. Is there such a thing?
[4:24] <PHP2forever> I can't even find the same thing for my beefy x86 PC, so I doubt it's for RPI...
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[4:30] <calamari> When I'm reading the Broadcom BCM2835 ARM Peripherals document, is "bit 0" the LSB or MSB (assuming LSB)?
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[4:42] <borillion> @calamari so the vidcore is little endian, lsb is at bit 0
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[4:47] <calamari> thanks
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[4:58] <lightblue> hi, I was trying to install sublime-text 3 onto my raspberry pi. I added the official repository to apt and everything went well. But when I try to apt install sublime-text, it tells me that "unable to locate package sublime-text", I wonder if you've met with the same problem.
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[4:59] <CyberManifest> Pithos used to work, but now it crashes after login; I've tried removing it and re-installing it but it still just crashes immediately on load.
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[5:02] <borillion> Anyone know the assembly language used on the pi? I'm rusty on it add r1, #4 , the # an indicator that the following is a constant?
[5:03] <borillion> @CyberManifest: run it with verbose mode on the terminal and see what it says
[5:06] <borillion> @lightblue assuming you are using debian/rasbpian ? do apt-cache search sublime
[5:08] <lightblue> borillion, thanks for help, apt-cache search sublime doesn't show the result with sublime-text, but apt search sublime does
[5:09] <borillion> try installing with apt ? not sure lol
[5:09] <lightblue> and I did do apt update for trying to search the repository, the command succeeded.
[5:09] <lightblue> borillion, I was trying apt install before asking here :)
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[5:14] <CyberManifest> borillion, I will when i get a chance, but right now I'm testing on another install on a SSD that's using XFCE and it's currently working/running, so it might be a LDXE or SD Card Thing
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[5:21] <borillion> @lightblue: I don't seeany arm support for sublime text
[5:21] <borillion> @lightblue: I don't see any arm support for sublime text**
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[5:22] <lightblue> borillion, maybe there's actually no arm package in the repo
[5:24] <borillion> lightblue: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/55032
[5:24] <lightblue> borillion, thanks for help, looks like I'm sticking with vim on raspbian, and sorry I can't help with your question, the lowest language for me is c/c++, I might try to learn assembly one day.
[5:24] <borillion> try atom instead?
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[5:26] <borillion> @lightblue: its all good :D
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[5:40] <analogist> borillion: yes, the #4 is just literally the value
[5:40] <analogist> borillion: immediate value rather than register
[5:41] <magicberry> can someone help me make a bridge for an old computer with ethernet to connect to the internet through the raspberry's wifi
[5:43] <analogist> borillion: you get 8 bits of numerical value with 4 extended bits of rotation in arm assembly
[5:44] <analogist> borillion: https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/arm-immediate-value-encoding/
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[5:49] <analogist> magicberry: which guide have you followed and where did it stop working for you
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[5:51] <magicberry> i last followed this one but dnsmasq fails at boot: https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-wifi-bridge/
[5:53] <analogist> magicberry: that seems to be a pretty reasonable guide to making a gateway. Can you show what dnsmasq complains about at boot?
[5:56] <analogist> magicberry: and you’re using the built-in 3B+ onboard WiFi right?
[5:56] <magicberry> yes
[5:57] <magicberry> let me reboot to see the message again
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[6:03] <magicberry> Nov 14 22:57:36 raspberrypi dnsmasq[422]: dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket for Cannot assign requested address
[6:03] <magicberry> that is the error message
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[6:06] <analogist> magicberry: what does “sudo ifconfig” output
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[6:09] <magicberry> a list with 3 sections, eth0 lo and wlan0
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[6:09] <magicberry> eth0 has 0 packets registered
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[6:13] <magicberry> the lo section has 0 packets too analogist
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[6:16] <analogist> magicberry: Actually, this guide tells you do dhcpd for wlan0, that does seem odd
[6:17] <analogist> magicberry: what did /etc/dhcpd.conf have in it before the guide told you to change it
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[6:17] <magicberry> yeah but it's a mistake, in the comment section a guy said to change it to eth0
[6:17] <analogist> magicberry: pretty sure they meant to set up dhcp on eth0 instead of wlan0, but then you also don’t need dhcpd if you have already dnsmasq
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[6:19] <analogist> magicberry: since dnsmasq already can handle being the dhcp server as well, I’m curious what was in your /etc/dhcpd.conf before you changed it? Was it empty? Or did it have an auto wlan0
[6:19] <magicberry> probably empty
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[6:20] <magicberry> it was just # comments
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[6:20] <magicberry> analogist: actually it was the default file that comes with stretch with mostly just comments
[6:21] <analogist> magicberry: re-empty it and see if dnsmasq will bind now
[6:23] <borillion> @analogist: !Thank you
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[6:23] <analogist> magicberry: if anything eth0 should be defined in /etc/network/interfaces or interfaces.d/ with a static ip, to which dnsmasq then binds
[6:24] <analogist> analogist: as is dhcpd is probably fighting dnsmasq for the address
[6:24] <analogist> magicberry*
[6:24] <magicberry> analogist: it gives me the same error
[6:26] <analogist> magicberry: how is eth0 defined at the moment, either via /etc/network/interfaces or some other mechanism
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[6:27] <magicberry> analogist: my /etc/network/interfaces only has a single line: source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d
[6:28] <analogist> magicberry: in “sudo ifconfig”, what is inet address and mask for eth0
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[6:32] <analogist> magicberry: if it’s not otherwise defined and doing its own thing, I suggest defining the interface statically first, something like:
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[6:33] <CyberManifest> borillion: I did as you suggested, and here are the results I got: http://dpaste.com/3AHWVVJ any ideas what's going on or how to fix it?
[6:34] <analogist> magicberry: auto eth0
[6:34] <analogist> iface eth0 inet static
[6:34] <analogist> address
[6:34] <analogist> network
[6:34] <analogist> netmask
[6:35] <magicberry> where can i define it
[6:35] <magicberry> analogist: where can i define it?
[6:35] <analogist> magicberry: that way dnsmasq has something to bind to at 220.1
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[6:35] <analogist> magicberry: in /etc/network/interfaces
[6:36] <analogist> magicberry: or in its own file in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ and call it something like 10static
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[6:37] <analogist> magicberry: that source-directory line will automatically read from all the loose files in interfaces.d/
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[6:48] <borillion> CyberManifest: no I know that vchiq is a device on the pi that handles the GPU and audio
[6:48] <CyberManifest> Anybody have ideas why Pithos is not working in LXDE on SD Card on Raspberry Pi but is working in XFCE on SSD on Raspberry Pi
[6:48] <CyberManifest> http://dpaste.com/3AHWVVJ
[6:51] <borillion> CyberManifest: update your firmware, seems that fixes things for people
[6:51] <CyberManifest> I don't know how or where to get it
[6:52] <CyberManifest> and that doesn't explain why it's working in one Environment but not the other on the very Exact same device
[6:54] <borillion> CyberManifest: firmware is on the sdcard, its updated and then loads into the hardware when you boot
[6:54] <borillion> CyberManifest: run sudo usermod -a -G video $(whoami)
[6:54] <borillion> CyberManifest: sudo usermod -a -G audio $(whoami)
[6:54] <borillion> and try again
[6:55] <borillion> CyberManifest: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/19436/how-can-i-permanently-fix-dev-vchiq-permission-errors/42915
[6:57] <magicberry> analogist i changed the interfaces file and attempted to "sudo service dnsmasq start" and it gave me an error again
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[6:59] <analogist> magicberry: did you “sudo service networking restart” and make sure in “sudo ifconfig” that now your eth0 ip matches the desired
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[7:11] <CyberManifest> borillion: firmware update fixed it :) Thank You! :)
[7:12] <borillion> CyberManifest: awesome I am glad!
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[7:14] <magicberry> analogist: i rebooted but i still get the same error
[7:14] <magicberry> sudo ifconfig
[7:15] <Lartza> Holld on a second, why were we talking about /etc/network/interfaces
[7:15] <Lartza> And it's "ip addr" not ifconfig
[7:16] <Lartza> Why didn't https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-wifi-bridge/ work?
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[7:16] <Lartza> Or https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/access-point.md
[7:16] <magicberry> dnsmasq[422]: dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket for Cannot assign requested address
[7:17] <Lartza> Did you set the static IP and where?
[7:19] <analogist> Lartza: previously, magicberry set it in dhcpcd.conf (also fixing the mistake in the guide where eth0 was mistakenly listed as wlan0)
[7:19] <Lartza> analogist, As they should have
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[7:19] <Lartza> And yes the code snippet seems to have an error
[7:19] <Lartza> Wait no, it should be wlan
[7:20] <magicberry> i couldn't get on the internet after doing it so i have formatted after each attempt
[7:20] <Lartza> Yeah don't configure eth0
[7:20] <analogist> Lartza: The error was in dnsmasq binding to the static interface at all, and since I didn’t see what addresses are being bound, it wasn’t clear where the failure was
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[7:20] <Lartza> Set the static IP for wlan0 or whatever the wlan interface is called in ip
[7:21] <Lartza> And as I said, ignore /etc/network completely
[7:21] <analogist> Lartza: they’re trying to set up the gateway in the non stereotyped direction, with WiFi having the route to WAN and eth0 being the LAN
[7:21] <Lartza> ohh
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[7:23] <Lartza> ALSO, networking is totally the wrong daemon?
[7:24] <analogist> Lartza: my bad then, too used to pre-stretch Debian (and non-Debian), just wanted to check if dhcpcd wasn’t doing it’s job
[7:25] <Lartza> Which might have just broken the networking totally since now two things are trying to configure it
[7:25] <Lartza> Foundation page out of date and tells you to use ifconfig too booo
[7:26] <Lartza> magicberry, Just, make sure your wlan is working, set static IP for ethernet in dhcpcd.conf, see if network works
[7:26] <analogist> Lartza: still doesn’t explain the error in dnsmasq unable to bind to the eth0 interface
[7:26] <Lartza> analogist, Unless it just, hasn't been configured?
[7:26] <Lartza> I can't see a pastebin of ip addr OR ifconfig
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[7:27] <analogist> Lartza: I never saw one whenever I asked
[7:27] <Lartza> magicberry, Then additionally ^ stop ignoring questions :) But let's work one step at a time and ignore dnsmasq until your interfaces are configured
[7:28] <analogist> magicberry: take the eth0 definitions out of /etc/network/interfaces, that’s my bad. Let’s go back to seeing why, when they were defined dhcpcd.conf, they seemed to have not been working
[7:29] <Lartza> The foundation guide SHOULD work the other way around too, just ignoring hostapd
[7:29] <analogist> magicberry: overall your problem seems to be that you want your eth0 to have, never got set up, for some reason. That’s why the dnsmasq has been failing
[7:29] <Lartza> Does raspbian really use eth0 and wlan0?
[7:30] <analogist> ... good question, eth0 I’m pretty sure about, and wlan0 on 3B+ I’m not
[7:31] <magicberry> ok i will delete the contents of /etc/network/interfaces: Lartza analogist
[7:31] <Lartza> They bouth would be different if it were
[7:31] <Lartza> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[7:31] <Lartza> But I guess debian or raspbian disables that
[7:32] <analogist> Sigh systemd
[7:32] <Lartza> Best thing since pulseaudio ;)
[7:33] <Lartza> And in use since jessie, "service" is just a backwards compatibility thing by the way and the correct command is technically "systemctl"
[7:33] <magicberry> i don't m
[7:33] <magicberry> know much about linux, i'm pretty new to it; sorry about that guys
[7:33] <Lartza> Just, follow the foundation tutorial :)
[7:34] <Lartza> Ignore hostapd, use eth0 instead of wlan0 and vice versa where needed
[7:35] <analogist> magicberry: no problem, and sometimes the people who do have outdated info for the new versions
[7:35] <analogist> magicberry: but please show us an output of “ip addr” or “ifconfig” at some point
[7:35] <analogist> magicberry: so we can see what actually did end up happening when the network comes up
[7:36] <Lartza> Though I understand it might be hard to get output of it without network :) But you should still have network after configuring things!
[7:37] <analogist> magicberry: you might not have a good way to get text over from your pi output, that’s ok, just give us the ip addr and netmask for eth0
[7:37] <magicberry> https://pastebin.com/UwXPhRY7
[7:37] <magicberry> i'm on the raspberry pi atm
[7:37] <analogist> Ok, great. So confirmation that static address on eth0 didn’t work for whatever reason
[7:38] <Lartza> That looks completely fine for not configured dhcpcd though
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[7:39] <analogist> Yep, so magicberry, if you put the original lines you are using back into dhcpcd.conf, and systemctl restart dhcpcd, what then happens to the eth0 up address?
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[7:40] <analogist> magicberry: believe you were using “interface eth0
[7:40] <analogist> static ip_address=
[7:40] <analogist> static routers=”
[7:41] <Lartza> And you need nohook, but you don't want wpa_supplicant
[7:41] <Lartza> Or don't need it at least
[7:41] <Lartza> Wait no,
[7:42] <Lartza> Just ignore the nohook line, I understood it wrong
[7:43] <analogist> Lartza: they don’t need anything if the wlan0 is already working right, just add those definitions
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[7:44] <Lartza> Bothing beyond those lines should be needed, the foundation writeup doesn't even include static routers
[7:44] <Lartza> You... are the router so
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[7:48] <magicberry> Lartza analogist: i changed back the two lines back to dhcpcd.conf and did "sudo systemctl restart dhcpcd" and i got disconnected from the network
[7:49] <magicberry> after i deleted them and did "sudo systemctl restart dhcpcd" i was able to connect to the internet again
[7:51] <Lartza> I don't have access to an rpi3 to test what's going wrong :S
[7:51] <analogist> magicberry: which 2 lines? Should have been 3 lines?
[7:53] <magicberry> "static ip_address=" and then "static routers="
[7:53] <analogist> magicberry: before that should have been “interface eth0”
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[8:03] <analogist> magicberry: or alternatively just run dhcpcd -q -m 0 -S ip_address= -S routers= eth0
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[8:29] <Mr_Sheesh> I'm looking to grab an LCD to go onto the old RPi 1B, anyone know of a decent option that'd work well? Can be small, be nice if it comes with cabling :) Just annoying to have to move a display to the 4 I have.
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[8:34] <friendofafriend> Mr_Sheesh: What's your budget?
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[8:35] <friendofafriend> magicberry: Have you looked into OpenWRT for your Raspberry Pi 3B+?
[8:35] <friendofafriend> You can find images here. https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.1/targets/brcm2708/bcm2710/
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[8:44] <Mr_Sheesh> friendofafriend - It'll cost what it costs, if too much I'll just get one :)
[8:45] <Mr_Sheesh> It'd be handy for one job I use the old beast for. Should be able to move it to a newer RPi later on
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[8:46] <friendofafriend> There are some battery powered monitors out there with HDMI. https://www.amazon.com/Lilliput-monitor-interface-dedicated-high-definition/dp/B0041I8UAO
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[8:49] <friendofafriend> You could DIY something also, but it's probably more expensive. https://learn.adafruit.com/7-hdmi-portable-monitor/overview
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[8:58] <Mr_Sheesh> friendofafriend I was looking at https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADG45V28692 w/o the touch screen, that'd do for now, bit cheaper.
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[9:24] <tommy``> good morning people!
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[9:29] <BurtyB> woohoo Pi 3A+ I might have been waiting ages for this and now I can't really remember what I wanted to do with it heh
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[9:30] <malen> BBurtyB uhm a mirc bouncer/shell? :D
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[9:31] <malen> BBurtyB
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[9:31] <malen> wwhat the heck
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[9:33] <friendofafriend> Howdy tommy``, wifi going well?
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[9:34] <tommy``> hey friendofafriend, this morning i've bring back here raspberry so let's try if it's working without doing any trick
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[9:34] <malen> what wrong with it?
[9:35] <tommy``> malen: the worst thing ever :D
[9:35] <tommy``> it doest get automatically ip adress on wlan0
[9:35] <BurtyB> soo the all important question (for me) is can I backpower the 3A+ from USB
[9:36] <tommy``> ok friendofafriend and malen, here at job it's working, so it's some issue related with Netgear that i've at home
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[9:36] <malen> tommy`` give it a static ip-adress
[9:37] <tommy``> malen i can't because the range are different... here is 192.168.0.X at home is 192.168.1.X
[9:39] <tommy``> it's the contrary... here 192.168.1.X at home 192.168.0.X
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[9:41] <malen> oh ok. so wait. it works on your workplace and not at home?
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[9:43] <tommy``> here at work this morning i've noticed no problem, i just opened my mac terminal and typed ssh pi@ because i remembered last ip that router assigned, and it worked
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[9:48] <malen> bro. this is too early. i can't even understand what the problem is. you can ssh to it from work. but not from home?
[9:49] <tommy``> yes
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[9:50] <friendofafriend> Oh no, it's not working at home on that Netgear router you've got?
[9:51] <tommy``> yes friendofafriend
[9:52] <analogist> tommy``: not working as in you don’t know its ip to connect to? Or not working as in you plugged a monitor into it and it’s not grabbing a network address?
[9:52] <tommy``> not grabbing network addresss
[9:53] <analogist> tommy``: this is via WiFi or eth?
[9:53] <tommy``> wifi analogist
[9:54] <analogist> tommy``: and what does end up happening? It just assigns itself a 169.* address?
[9:54] <tommy``> no nothing
[9:54] <tommy``> doens't happens nothing
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[9:55] <malen> what rpi is this and are you using a wifi dongle?
[9:56] <analogist> tommy``: anything odd about your home WiFi? a/b/g/n/ac? WEP/WEP2/WPA TKIP? Did you have trouble with other devices connecting to your home WiFi?
[9:56] <tommy``> i've pi2 B and i'm using a wifi dongle d-link DWA-121 ID: 2001:3331b with 8188eu
[9:57] <tommy``> no analogist, i remember the settings at home are auto and A and G and TKIP if i remember well WPA-TKIP i suppose
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[9:58] <analogist> tommy``: So an older router
[9:59] <tommy``> Netgear DG384G if remember the name correctly
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[10:00] <analogist> tommy``: any error message output from wpa_supplicant?
[10:00] <tommy``> yes analogist, i've taken pictures last day at home wait
[10:00] <malen> oh, purfect
[10:00] <tommy``> https://i.imgur.com/ILV9UnT.jpg
[10:01] <tommy``> the fact is that according error here the password is not WRONG!! i've checked 5 times
[10:02] <ShorTie> sure you got the right channel ??
[10:03] <tommy``> what you mean?
[10:04] <tommy``> i found a random image on google about wifi settings http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/answer_media/media/images/answer_112/wpa+wpa2_security_ul.GIF
[10:04] <tommy``> Region i've Europe (but i live in italy)
[10:04] <tommy``> channel: auto
[10:04] <tommy``> mode: maybe A G i think
[10:05] <tommy``> and WPA-PSK [TKIP]
[10:05] <analogist> tommy``: you might need to make sure it’s not incorrectly trying to connect via 802.11n, or trying an AES handshake when you’ve set it to TKIP, or a WPA2 for WPA
[10:05] <tommy``> and password is easy word and number
[10:06] <tommy``> analogist: how can i make sure that?
[10:06] <analogist> tommy``: normally these should auto-identify, but with dodgy drivers bad attempts can happen
[10:07] <tommy``> analogist: those are driver i've used https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu with the help of friendofafriend i managed to get recognized the dongle to pi2 B
[10:08] <analogist> That’s great! And you said it does work on your (presumably enterprise setup) WiFi at work, just not with the older router
[10:08] <tommy``> correct
[10:09] <tommy``> the router is si modern for fiber D-link DVA-5592
[10:09] <malen> have you somekind of mac filter on your router?
[10:09] <tommy``> no neither here or at home
[10:15] <tommy``> that's awesome, i just made a simple control now at work: I ssh pi@ and i'm logged on router but if i launch "ifconfig" the wlan0 ip is ... why?
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[10:16] <friendofafriend> That's an interesting problem! On your desktop/laptop system, try running an "arp -a".
[10:17] <tommy``> https://paste.ofcode.org/K9gyLDVkrfWLHzLjFBKR4T
[10:18] <friendofafriend> OK, cool, you can see in the ARP cache has a MAC of 18:f:76:fa:27:88.
[10:19] <tommy``> who have that mac? the pi ?
[10:19] <friendofafriend> The wifi dongle has that MAC address.
[10:20] <tommy``> ah ok, yes, i've just verified with ifconfig.. i never seen something similar
[10:20] <tommy``> it's that happens always?
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[10:21] <friendofafriend> Yes, when you're on the same LAN as a another machine, and you try to connect to it by IP, your computer saves a list of what IP is at what MAC address.
[10:22] <tommy``> just like a "reminder"
[10:22] <tommy``> or a list of knowned address
[10:22] <friendofafriend> Yes! And it keeps your computer from asking the whole network what IP has what MAC address.
[10:23] <tommy``> very well :D
[10:23] <friendofafriend> You can delete that entry with "arp -d" on your laptop/desktop.
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[10:24] <friendofafriend> And the next time you do an ssh@, you'll find the correct entry in your laptop/desktop's ARP table.
[10:24] <malen> sweet, you always learn something new
[10:24] <tommy``> ok roger that
[10:24] <tommy``> i think malen and analogist got scared about my issue at home with my router :D
[10:26] <malen> luckily we got a networking god with us
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[10:27] <tommy``> yes!!!
[10:27] <tommy``> friendofafriend is the terminator of networking
[10:28] <friendofafriend> Oh Heavens, no. Just an often frustrated user, like everyone with a computer. :P
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[10:28] <malen> that, on the other hand, sounds like a networking admin's worst nightmare.
[10:28] <malen> :D
[10:29] <tommy``> yes for me is like that
[10:29] <widp_> about my bridged rpi, I think forward all wifi requests to the ethernet port through a bridge interface.
[10:29] <widp_> Now I can't ssh into my raspberry pi when it acts as an access point.
[10:30] <widp_> I have setup dnsmasq etc.
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[10:30] <tommy``> but the router at home is from my girlfriend, i can't destroy her router just because my rpi (that she bought for me) doens't get any ip
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[10:31] <tommy``> maybe one i can change the TKIP at home with another
[10:32] <tommy``> analogist talked about something of AES handshake
[10:34] <malen> yah, tkip is a lower end encryption protocol than aes.
[10:36] <tommy``> that could be the "real" issue? or is something random?
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[10:39] <analogist> tommy``: having used 8188 kernel modules for various dongles, it usually work but tweaking settings is a bit more annoying and tended to crash the kernel module
[10:40] <tommy``> malen: as I told yesterday to friendofafriend, sometimes at home if we download torrents, or other p2p and have discord chat open with a communication the router crash and get red light like a reboot
[10:40] <analogist> tommy``: I’m not sure if this is one of these problems that may have this issue, but maybe it’s a simple “disable a protocol” type of fix
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[10:41] <tommy``> analogist consider that to get working the dongle friendofafriend discover some trick but i can't describe it now, he could explain it better (was something related to master branch and other...)
[10:42] <tommy``> i also asked to the programmer but he only said that i don't have a network manager installed on my pi2 and it's not driver fault
[10:44] <malen> tommy´´ like analogist said. might not be the issue. but you shouldn't be using tkip anyways imo
[10:44] <malen> its not considered secure
[10:45] <tommy``> ok first thing to try is this, changing TKIP and then what other i can verify to get it working?
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[11:18] <Ben64> what new raspberry pi
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[11:35] <shiftplusone> But it doesn't have ethernet, 512MB RAM is not enough and it's not $25 once converted to your local currency and tax and shipping are added on, so it's a terrible product. =P
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[11:39] <tommy``> is this a pi3 ?
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[11:39] <BurtyB> oh no I best see if I can return those I ordered :p
[11:40] <shiftplusone> 3 A+
[11:42] <tommy``> difference from 3 b+?
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[11:44] <BurtyB> tommy``, no ethernet, one usb port
[11:45] <tommy``> mmh
[11:45] <tommy``> i've 20€ as amazon gift to use, but i dunno how to buy
[11:50] <tommy``> what to buy*
[11:50] <tommy``> sory
[11:50] <shiftplusone> it's better to compare it to the previous A form factor board than a 3B+
[11:51] <tommy``> how much now a 3b+ ?
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[11:52] <shiftplusone> $35 US is the base price and then there are local taxes and whatever else added on. Basically you can only get it for $35 in America.
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[12:11] <tommy``> mmh i'm searching on amazon something from 20-30€ to buying
[12:13] <mlelstv> that's simple
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[12:15] <tommy``> and i dunno if it's better waiting for black friday
[12:15] <mlelstv> better first decide what you want :)
[12:16] <tommy``> eheh
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[12:19] <tommy``> maybe pi 3b+ on black friday will be lot of % off
[12:20] <shiftplusone> I don't think so
[12:21] <shiftplusone> Unless it's from a seller who has marked it up a lot in the first place, there's not much wiggle room on the price.
[12:22] <BurtyB> I imagine most on amazon would mark it up though to cover the exrta costs of selling on amazon
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[12:24] <shiftplusone> yeah. I think you're most likely to see 'kits' discounted, which are heavily marked up to begin with.
[12:26] <tommy``> ok
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[12:29] <mpmc> Wonder how many people are actually still using the very first retail Pi with 256mb (0002)?
[12:29] <malen> i am
[12:29] <malen> :D
[12:31] <tommy``> i'm curious, for what do you use the raspberry? (i've inside my own cabinet
[12:31] <tommy``> arcade cabinet for retropie
[12:33] <H__> i run one too
[12:34] <malen> nothing at the moment, i usually just use it for testing
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[12:34] <H__> and i hope it does not break because if it does i have to rebuild and change quite a few things (I added the gpio extension pins to it)
[12:35] <shiftplusone> I only use my old pis for testing that I haven't broken backwards capability. Generally I use the newest pi available for work. At home I have a few scattered around, none in active use, since I don't have a whole lot of time to do anything with them.
[12:35] <Khaytsus> I don't have any original pi's but mine do all kinds of things.. 433mhz rx/tx for home automation, an aprs digipeater/igate, ip camera, gps tracker
[12:36] <shiftplusone> If I had the time, I'd set up a few ip cameras, a tvheadend server and a kodi, moonlight + emulationstation box. I used to use one as a NAS, but got a proper synology one since then.
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[12:37] <Khaytsus> Honestly they make okay ip cameras, but it's just as expensive as a 'real' ip camera that has built-in ir emitters, night mode, waterproof, etc
[12:37] <Khaytsus> So.. honestly not much point
[12:39] <shiftplusone> yeah, this would be just for fun
[12:39] <shiftplusone> and to figure out which neighbour keeps putting their damn trash in my damn recycle bin.
[12:39] <Khaytsus> shiftplusone: superglue the lid
[12:40] <shiftplusone> But... but I still need to put stuff in there.
[12:40] <Khaytsus> I Mean like the handles
[12:41] <tommy``> does exists some app to download mp3 for pi?
[12:42] <Khaytsus> curl?
[12:42] <tommy``> i mean something like soulseek
[12:43] <shiftplusone> Or I could leave an angry note on their doorstep, as is British tradition.
[12:43] <shiftplusone> I'd rather just find out who it is so I can return to sender
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[12:48] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, you could also hide in the bin and jump out when they open the lid (don't do this at home folks)
[12:48] <Khaytsus> BurtyB: I know how that works, you fall over backwards in the bin.
[12:49] <Khaytsus> But still might make the neighbor water themselves, so it'd be worth it
[12:49] <Khaytsus> shiftplusone: so what you need is a pi + camera + sensor to detect lid opening
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[14:08] <JakeSays> huh. i was excited about the pi 3 a+ until i saw it only has 512mb ram
[14:08] <Fulgen> what's a pi 3 a+
[14:08] <JakeSays> Khaytsus: no need for a sensor - the camera will suffice for that
[14:09] <Fulgen> oh, a new one o.O
[14:09] <JakeSays> Fulgen: A version of the pi 3
[14:09] <Fulgen> looks pretty quadratic
[14:11] <JakeSays> i dont get why they won't go above 1gb ram. it's so 6 years ago.
[14:12] <shiftplusone> Maybe the $25 price point?
[14:12] <JakeSays> you mean $35 (i'm not referring to the A in this case)
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[14:12] <anzipex> Hi all
[14:13] <anzipex> I'm using tmat to connect to remote console by ssh
[14:13] <Lartza> JakeSays, Mostly price, part no need
[14:13] <anzipex> Does exist any possible way to send generated ssh name to my local computer?
[14:14] <JakeSays> Lartza: uh, there's a need.
[14:14] <Lartza> Is there?
[14:14] <JakeSays> of course
[14:14] <shiftplusone> Ah yeah, I thought you were talking about the A+. Makes sense why you said 1gb then.
[14:14] <Lartza> I don't think electronics and programming learning needs any more ram
[14:14] <JakeSays> i have to buy non-pi devices to get more memory
[14:14] <Lartza> Then do
[14:14] <JakeSays> Lartza: lol the pi is used for a lot more than just those two things
[14:14] <Lartza> Doesn't change it's focus/target audience
[14:15] <Lartza> It needs to be cheap
[14:15] <JakeSays> i am aware.
[14:16] <JakeSays> but i bet for another $5 or so they could sell a pi 3 C+ with 4gb
[14:16] <JakeSays> i just dont like mixing vendors
[14:16] <Fulgen> tbh what's even the point of the A+
[14:16] <Lartza> Memory is expensive
[14:16] <JakeSays> vendors/eco systems
[14:16] <Fulgen> *3A+
[14:16] <JakeSays> Fulgen: size/price
[14:17] <shiftplusone> Fulgen: to upgrade from the previous, still popular, A-factor model
[14:17] <Lartza> 4GB of DDR3 here costs 35€, how do you suppose 3GB is 5$
[14:17] <Fulgen> don't we have the Pi Zero WH for that?
[14:17] <shiftplusone> You can't buy zeros in quantity
[14:17] <JakeSays> Lartza: there are several devices out there with 2-4gb of ram for ~$40
[14:17] <shiftplusone> and it's a lot slower
[14:17] <Fulgen> shiftplusone: huh, is there a difference between A and B models besides B models were newer up until now?
[14:17] <Lartza> JakeSays, Without crappy SoC's?
[14:17] <JakeSays> Fulgen: $10
[14:18] <Lartza> And with possibly reputable RAM chips?
[14:18] <JakeSays> yes, Lartza w/o crappy socs/ram chips.
[14:18] <JakeSays> pi doesn't have a corner on the quality market
[14:19] <Lartza> I haven't seen one but I'm glad if there are
[14:19] <JakeSays> have you actually looked?
[14:19] <Lartza> Even the odroid only has two, and is over 40$
[14:19] <Lartza> Here and there
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[14:24] <JakeSays> my current fav is the rock64 from pine64. 2gb for $35 with gb ethernet, usb3
[14:27] <Lartza> Looks nice
[14:28] <JakeSays> my next order will be the rock64 pro. its $80/4gb, but man it has some cool specs
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[14:28] <Lartza> sata?
[14:29] <JakeSays> yup
[14:29] <JakeSays> pcie
[14:29] <JakeSays> emmc
[14:29] <Lartza> Hmm it doesn't say sata on their site
[14:29] <JakeSays> octa core
[14:30] <JakeSays> ah. i was thinking of emmc
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[14:30] <Lartza> hexa core
[14:30] <JakeSays> er, pcie
[14:30] <Lartza> I mean you could probably get sata out of pcie but
[14:30] <JakeSays> the only downside to the pines is wifi/bt is extra
[14:30] <JakeSays> which isn't an issue for me, but it would be nice
[14:31] <BurtyB> would you like a moon to go with that ? :)
[14:31] <JakeSays> no
[14:31] <JakeSays> but a star would be nice
[14:32] <JakeSays> Lartza: lol yes hexa core
[14:32] <JakeSays> need more coffee
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[14:48] <friendofafriend> Have you seen the RockPi, JakeSays?
[14:50] <friendofafriend> RK3399, but you get an M.2 that you could break out to PCIe. They want $75 for a 4GB B-style model. http://linuxgizmos.com/rk3399-based-raspberry-pi-clone-will-launch-at-49-or-even-lower/
[14:51] <Lartza> friendofafriend, Why would you get it over the rock64?
[14:52] <Lartza> More expensive and everything
[14:54] <Lartza> And seems like a shadier company too
[14:54] <Lartza> In a sense
[14:54] <friendofafriend> The Rock64 is quad-core, the RockPi is hexa-core (RK3399), with DDR4 RAM instead of DDR3, and you could break out PCIe from the M.2.
[14:55] <JakeSays> friendofafriend: the rock64 pro is also hexa core, ddr4 ram with pcie
[14:55] <friendofafriend> Yes, the **Pro**. I didn't see you mention that.
[14:56] <JakeSays> yeah we talked about it quite a bit
[14:56] <friendofafriend> Ah yes, misunderstood. It's the RockPro64. Great board, nice to have x4 PCIe.
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[14:56] <friendofafriend> It's much larger than a Pi, about double the size.
[14:57] <JakeSays> yes
[14:57] <friendofafriend> There's some kind of weird SDIO wifi interface, which is sold separately. No idea what the performance is.
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[14:57] <JakeSays> yup
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[14:58] <friendofafriend> To be fair, if you planned on using a heatsink and the PCIe slot, the RockPro64 is a better design. The M.2 covers the CPU on the RockPi. That's kind of silly.
[14:58] <BurtyB> heh most in here love a bit of weird sdio wifi
[14:58] <friendofafriend> Can you get full speeds from it, BurtyB?
[15:01] <BurtyB> friendofafriend, no idea what you call full speeds - but I'm sure there are plenty of benchmarks for the (sdio) wifi on the pi
[15:02] <friendofafriend> Oh, I just meant the full speed of the chipset. Looks like you can on those boards. I've got a couple SDIO wifi modules from printers around.
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[15:02] <friendofafriend> They're dreadfully slow, but I guess that's not a problem of SDIO.
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[15:05] <JakeSays> friendofafriend: i'm pretty sure those wifi/bt modules aren't sdio based
[15:06] <JakeSays> the rockpro64 is basically an updated pine64
[15:06] <friendofafriend> JakeSays: https://www.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-2x2-mimo-dual-band-wifi-802-11acbluetooth-4-1-module "Support SDIO Interface and HS-UART Mixed Interface.
[15:07] <friendofafriend> To be fair, the Pine64 wifi module was also SDIO, but incompatible with the RockPro.
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[15:09] <JakeSays> friendofafriend: they're a custom design. iirc its not standard sdio
[15:09] <JakeSays> friendofafriend: also the pine64 wifi/bt modules are compatible with the pro
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[15:11] <friendofafriend> OK, I was mislead by "Does not work with ROCK64" on the Pine64 module. https://ameridroid.com/products/wifi-bluetooth-4-0-module-for-pine-a64
[15:11] <friendofafriend> misled**, rather.
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[15:12] <JakeSays> i dont think the rock64 supports wifi/bt. i didn't see anything mentioned, and it doesn't have the interfaces
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[15:14] <friendofafriend> Then I guess they meant to say "not compatible with RockPro64" on that Pine64 module. Makes you appreciate all the eyes on Raspberry Pi's ecosystem, doesn't it?
[15:15] <JakeSays> lol on the pro page it says "backward compatible with a number of pine64 modules, including the wifi/bt module"
[15:16] <friendofafriend> Maybe they mean a different module? I dunno. Rockchip goes mainline in 4.20~5.0, right?
[15:17] <JakeSays> not sure
[15:18] <hodapp> clearly we need a standard here, just like how "IBM PC-compatible" used to be a thing
[15:19] <hodapp> people remember that, right? right?
[15:19] <Habbie> i remember that
[15:19] <Habbie> but it was not a standard at all
[15:20] <Habbie> it was a technically and legally dubious claim at best
[15:20] <hodapp> I didn'
[15:20] <hodapp> ...t say it was a formal standard
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[15:23] <hodapp> but also that was part of the joke: that we'd just end up with a bunch of vaguely-compatible-but-incompatible-in-annoying-ways devices
[15:23] <BCMM> it was just people copying the IBM PC, and subsequently making things that are "like the ibm pc but with..."
[15:23] <hodapp> it still "worked"(tm)
[15:23] <BCMM> ATX was what directly replaced it, *then* there was an actual standard, instead of "just be like this machine"
[15:24] <JakeSays> atx didn't guarantee software compatibility
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[15:29] <BCMM> neither did "ibm compatible"
[15:30] <hodapp> yes, but that wasn't an "actual standard"
[15:30] <BCMM> beyond ISA
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[15:48] <tommy``> hey, anyone tryied mplayer with "caca" lib?
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[15:51] <friendofafriend> tommy``: Sure, color ASCII art?
[15:52] <tommy``> yes i'm trying to understand why video is so slow
[15:52] <tommy``> i remember the old aalib black and white was more fast
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[15:53] <shtrb> can anyone please do lsusb (under any linux flavor) and say if they see the hdmi port listed ?
[15:53] <friendofafriend> shtrb: It's not.
[15:53] <stiv> you are converting pixels to text on a 'cellphone' and wonder why it is slow?
[15:53] <shtrb> thanks
[15:54] <shtrb> friendofafriend, thank you
[15:54] <tommy``> stiv: no i just launched "mplayer -vo caca file.mp4"
[15:54] <friendofafriend> Very welcome, shtrb.
[15:54] <friendofafriend> tommy``: It's CPU intensive.
[15:55] <tommy``> ok maybe it's too much for a pi2 cpu?
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[15:55] <friendofafriend> The Pi isn't so great at video in the first place. ;)
[15:55] <stiv> mp4 is compressed video aka pixels. ascii art is text. yeah, its cpu intensive
[15:56] <tommy``> ah
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[15:57] <tommy``> i installed "bb" too and testing "bb loop" it's good
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[15:58] <rungcc> hi guys!
[15:58] <rungcc> gordonDrogon, I was able to put it to work
[15:58] <rungcc> it was very simple really. one I figured out the pigs work from the manual
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[15:58] <Tenkawa> hey al
[15:58] <rungcc> I was able to write a small set of lua functions to pwm
[15:58] <Tenkawa> er all
[15:59] <rungcc> hi!
[15:59] <rungcc> guys, another question, do you guys know if there is an specific frequency to work with the tower pro servo motor sg90?
[15:59] <Tenkawa> now that the cross compiler experiment has worked.. time to put it on my bigber machine :)
[15:59] <Tenkawa> er bigger
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[16:04] <hodapp> hmm, I feel like when I used SG90s I did it via servoblaster from https://github.com/richardghirst/PiBits
[16:04] <hodapp> not sure of frequency
[16:05] <rungcc> thanks, I'll take a look.
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[16:07] <Tenkawa> ugggh i hate freezing rain
[16:08] <Tenkawa> when i woke up this morning ice all over the walkways
[16:08] <Tenkawa> that was not fun
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[16:11] <maszlo> Tenkawa: same conditions here in Pittsburgh
[16:12] <hodapp> same conditions here in Cincinnati
[16:12] <hodapp> nothing stuck to the roads - but it did stick to the trees and power lines
[16:12] <Tenkawa> hodapp: yeah I'm in columbus area
[16:13] <Tenkawa> so i'm getting that same mress
[16:13] <Tenkawa> er mess
[16:14] <maszlo> i struggled to find my Fantastic ice scraper and had to make due with a credit card
[16:14] <Tenkawa> thank goodness we got our yardwork done last week
[16:15] <maszlo> Fantastic Ice Scraper is really the best once you pass the fear that brass will not scratch glass :P
[16:15] <Tenkawa> maszlo: growing up in the deep south, never realized how happy i would be now to have my garage
[16:16] <r3> PSA: Take a moment to go to each of the three Credit Reporting Agencies and freeze them. [ wiki here: https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/identity_theft ] I just went through some heck with Verizon in which they stated I opened an account in May, ran up $1300, and closed it in October. I filed a police report and a report with the USPS as I thought my post-office box was being
[16:16] <r3> misused.
[16:18] <friendofafriend> r3: That "freeze your credit card" scam isn't working, pal.
[16:19] <r3> o.0 erm, no, really, I'm just trying to pass along something that, if someone told me a few months ago, would have saved a lot of hassle
[16:23] <friendofafriend> Nice try, though. I'm sure you rope some people in with that.
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[16:27] <hodapp> errr... not sure why it's a scam. last I checked, the three main credit bureaus either let you freeze them for free, or will have to shortly
[16:27] <hodapp> it may not be especially effective, but "scam"?
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[16:27] <r3> in the off chance that you're serious, go to the link, look at it. It's a reddit link. There's a wiki. Read the sections. Follow the links on the wiki. Type them in yourself if you're that paranoid. Lock up your credit. Or don't. Just please don't scare off other folks that could actually use the advice.
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[16:35] <Tenkawa> when in doubt go to the usa credit bureau website btw
[16:35] <Tenkawa> I'
[16:36] <Tenkawa> I'm sure they'll have a resources section
[16:37] <friendofafriend> Clicked link, got virus. Now my phone is getting non-stop telemarketer calls. Would not recommend.
[16:37] <Tenkawa> the government still has oversight over all 3 of the be=ureaus
[16:37] <Tenkawa> er bureaus
[16:38] <Tenkawa> ftc.gov (federal trade commission)
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[16:39] <Tenkawa> that one handles freezing credit
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[16:40] <Tenkawa> https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/
[16:40] <Tenkawa> mistyped
[16:40] <r3> friendofafriend: you're an idiot.
[16:41] <Tenkawa> of course validate all information and be very diligent in your research
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[16:41] <Snert> I'd log into my bank and turn off my plastic with a pref slider first. Then do the other stuff.
[16:42] <hodapp> that doesn't prevent anyone from opening credit in your name
[16:42] <Tenkawa> Snert: go up the chain... they may even be able to tell him if theres fraudulent activity..
[16:42] <Tenkawa> good idea
[16:42] <Snert> I'd always do the pref slider FIRST....then do the other stuff.
[16:42] <Tenkawa> hodapp: agreed but it stops existing
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[16:43] <Tenkawa> it has to be in parallel
[16:43] <Tenkawa> oh my goodness I'm watching people scraping more ice off their cars
[16:43] <Tenkawa> ugghh
[16:43] <Tenkawa> i am so glad I dont drive
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[16:44] <Tenkawa> granted it does present some limits
[16:46] <Tenkawa> hmmm
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[16:46] <Tenkawa> I wonder if a raspberry pi 3 board would be thin enough to fit where a slim line dvd rom did
[16:46] <friendofafriend> r3: The More You Know™ 🌈⭐
[16:47] <Tenkawa> (yeah I know I'd have to work on heat disappation)
[16:47] <Tenkawa> I've got a dvd in this machine I dont use
[16:48] <Tenkawa> If its opening is big enough I could possibly mount a pi where it goes
[16:48] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[16:50] <friendofafriend> Tenkawa: Slimline DVD drive is 13mm tall, the Raspi's USB port is 21.2mm. You could do it with a compute module, or a Zero.
[16:50] <Tenkawa> darm
[16:50] <Tenkawa> it was a thought
[16:51] <Tenkawa> er darn
[16:51] <Tenkawa> wouldve been funny
[16:51] <BurtyB> the new 3A+ is thin too :)
[16:55] <Tenkawa> 3a+? wow didnt even know that one was out
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[16:56] <Habbie> came out today
[16:56] <Tenkawa> AHHHHH
[16:56] <Tenkawa> I want
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[16:57] <Tenkawa> 25??? thats all????
[16:57] * hodapp mutters something about Tenkawa being paid to advertise
[16:59] <Tenkawa> sorry
[16:59] <Tenkawa> I'm a gadget geek
[17:01] <Tenkawa> thanks for the heads up
[17:05] <hodapp> ........how good are the paychecks?
[17:05] <hodapp> >_>
[17:05] <hodapp> <_<
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[17:06] <Tenkawa> depends on business haahaa
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[17:06] <Tenkawa> oooh rain is lowering.. i might be able to walk to lunch and not get drenched
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[17:08] <Tenkawa> thing that looks nice is that memory has never been a problem in what I want a pi for but that cpu bump is nice
[17:08] <Tenkawa> 512mb is plenty of ram for what I do
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[17:21] <Tenkawa> still cant believe that theres a fullsize notebook being sold today without bluetootg
[17:21] <Tenkawa> er bluetooth (mine doesnt have it.. (hp))
[17:22] <BurtyB> can't say I've ever thought about BT on a laptop
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[17:23] <Tenkawa> BurtyB: mice, headphones
[17:24] <Tenkawa> I hate trackpads on laptops
[17:25] <BurtyB> ah, I never use wireless kb/mouse they're just too frustrating
[17:25] <Tenkawa> I only use the mouse part
[17:27] <friendofafriend> You could always get a combo bluetooth/wifi mini-PCIe card, Tenkawa.
[17:28] <Tenkawa> i've thought about that
[17:28] <Tenkawa> I need to see if this one is pcie or soldered to the board
[17:29] <friendofafriend> I wish my laptop had an FM receiver built-in. That BCM43438 on the Pi3B+ has FM radio built-in, but it's not broken out.
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[18:31] <Tenkawa> time for lunch bbialw
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[19:05] <hodapp> be back in a lunar week?
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[19:46] <Tenkawa> much better
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[20:20] <tommy``> hey hey!
[20:20] <tommy``> friendofafriend: good news! i'm at home and it's worked
[20:20] <tommy``> i've changed default ip of the router and removed TKIP
[20:20] <tommy``> now with WPA2 AES worked like a charm
[20:21] <tommy``> thanks to all that today supports me ;)
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[20:25] <Tenkawa> got my 3 a+ ordered woohoo
[20:26] <tommy``> yeah Tenkawa, enjoy it!
[20:26] <Tenkawa> oh I plan to
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[20:31] <tommy``> any idea or porject in mind?
[20:32] <Tenkawa> yes
[20:33] <Tenkawa> may be completely geeky but one thought is taking the dvd rom out of this notebook and running it in this machine so I have both machines together
[20:33] <Tenkawa> (I dont use the dvd drive) (its a laptop)
[20:33] <hodapp> whaaa
[20:33] <hodapp> so you have both machines together?
[20:34] <Tenkawa> another is to finally put some effort fully porting everything to 64 bit
[20:34] <Tenkawa> hodapp: sure.. why not
[20:35] <Tenkawa> hodapp: x86/64 and armhf in a notebook chassis
[20:35] <hodapp> o_O
[20:36] <Tenkawa> heat disappation will be the difficult part
[20:37] <Tenkawa> either way i think my pi zero just got relegated
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[21:31] <Tenkawa> well i found the tech manual for this pc.. i can definitely change out the wlan module for a wlan/bth combo one
[21:31] <Tenkawa> I'll have to see if I have one around the house
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[21:32] <Tenkawa> fortunately it "seems" to be easy to get to and its a side snap socket
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[21:52] <steveire> Hi!
[21:52] <steveire> I have a RPi, which I think is gen1
[21:52] <steveire> It says P1 and 2011 on it.
[21:52] <friendofafriend> Hello! Neat-o.
[21:52] <steveire> I just used LibreElec to put an image on it and plugged the device out and in again.
[21:53] <steveire> It is connected to the tv with hdmi. I tested the cable with the laptop. It works with the laptop but not with the RPi.
[21:53] <steveire> Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot?
[21:53] <Habbie> did you boot the pi with the hdmi connecetd and the tv turned on?
[21:53] <GrandPa-G> I am helping someone remotely. There is a program that is going to monitor a GPIO pin for a sensor that goes on/off. here is the setup code https://pastebin.com/1rpv9bjP. they have a voltmeter connected to the gpio pin and ground. They tell me it starts a 0v when pi boots and then spikes to 0.7v when program starts and then to 0v after a few seconds while program running. Is this normal?
[21:54] <friendofafriend> First, I'd try another HDMI cable. Hopefully a shorter cable.
[21:54] <friendofafriend> I would then refer you to https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/video.md
[21:54] <steveire> Habbie: Yes, I did plug it in with the hdmi connected and the tv on.
[21:54] <steveire> The led on the board is on and I think red.
[21:55] <steveire> (Not good with colors!)
[21:55] * Tenkawa is colorblind so he hears ya
[21:55] <friendofafriend> I've had similar problems with the Raspberry Pi, and needed to set HDMI boost in config.txt.
[21:55] <steveire> I don't think I have another hdmi cable
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[21:59] <steveire> Hmm, maybe the first thing I should do is verify the SD card is written correctly.
[21:59] <steveire> It's a 15 GB card, but the LibreElec app seems to have created 2 partitions:
[21:59] <steveire> /dev/mmcblk0p1 * 8192 1056767 1048576 512M c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[21:59] <steveire> /dev/mmcblk0p2 1056768 1122303 65536 32M 83 Linux
[22:00] <Habbie> that looks good
[22:00] <steveire> II would have expected the storage partition to be bigger. There doesn't seem to be much on the linux partition
[22:00] <Khaytsus> I'm finally adding a Si7021 to my pi so I can monitor my house temp and humidity.. I dunno why I hadn't yet
[22:01] <Habbie> steveire, oh, right - i vaguely recall this makes sense for libreelec
[22:01] <Habbie> steveire, however, this channel has way more experience with raspbian, so it might make sense to try that to rule out a few things
[22:01] <steveire> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qRNY9dpzs7/
[22:02] <steveire> Habbie: Happy to do that. Do I need to find a P1 version in an archive somewhere?
[22:03] <Tenkawa> heh now I hope I can find that wifi/bt combo card
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[22:03] <Habbie> steveire, 'P1' is not your pi version, it's just a point on the board
[22:03] <steveire> Ah :)
[22:03] <Habbie> steveire, but every raspbian version ever will boot on an old pi; if your pi is newer, your raspbian just needs to be new enough as well
[22:03] <waveform> that is indeed normal for open/libreelec - there's a squashfs file-system on the FAT partition which gets mounted (which contains all the interesting stuff) and the storage partition usually gets expanded on first boot
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[22:04] <Habbie> waveform, right, i thought as much
[22:04] <Tenkawa> i think they all do that
[22:04] <Tenkawa> expand the fs
[22:05] <steveire> Habbie: Thanks. Downloading NOOBS now.
[22:05] <waveform> indeed - but it's rather unusual for the second partition to be quite that small; usually it contains the root partition so it's quite large and then gets expanded to fill the SD whereas open/libreelec stuff root in the loop-mounted squashfs file on the first partition
[22:06] <Tenkawa> unless its a very small distro
[22:06] <waveform> (so it's normal for the second part. to be a tiny 32Mb on a newly flashed open/libreelec card but I'd expect it to be larger on a freshly flashed raspbian-lite card for instance)
[22:06] <Tenkawa> but yeah
[22:06] <waveform> indeed - 32Mb is ... pretty small though :)
[22:06] <Habbie> yes, fresh raspbian couldn't live in there
[22:07] <Tenkawa> no.. but remember DSL?
[22:07] <Tenkawa> that would be neat in an arm version
[22:07] <waveform> yup, there are distros that would fit (router-related things which basically consist of ulibc + busybox spring to mind)
[22:08] <Tenkawa> yep
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[22:10] <friendofafriend> Did someone say OpenWRT?
[22:11] * friendofafriend whistles innocently. https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.1/targets/brcm2708/bcm2708/
[22:14] * waveform might just have a router running something like that...
[22:15] <friendofafriend> Tenkawa: I'm using this and very pleased, 2.4/5GHz wifi works fine, along with BT in Linux. https://www.amazon.com/Qualcomm-Atheros-AR9485-PCI-Express-654825-001/dp/B00TYMQN5Q
[22:16] <Tenkawa> yeah I had one around... just have to find itg
[22:16] <Tenkawa> er it
[22:17] <Tenkawa> now that I know this one can be pulled out
[22:17] <Tenkawa> I already put a fast ssd and 12 gb of ram in it
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[22:34] <steveire> I've downloaded noobs and extracted the tar.
[22:34] <steveire> https://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup says I should dd 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img but I can't find a similar file in the extracted tar
[22:35] <Habbie> that howto is not for noobs
[22:35] <Habbie> that howto is for raspbian
[22:35] <steveire> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gV9y55GTjM/
[22:35] <steveire> I'm not a noob :)
[22:35] <steveire> Not a linux noob anyway :)
[22:35] <Habbie> that howto is not for the thing called NOOBS
[22:35] <Habbie> i was not calling anyone a noob
[22:35] <steveire> I just want to install noobs because it's recommended :)
[22:36] <steveire> Ah, ok
[22:36] <steveire> Sorry.
[22:36] <Habbie> noobs is installed by extracting onto a fat32 formatted SD - i think
[22:36] <steveire> Oh, just copy it there?
[22:36] <Habbie> raspbian without noobs is installed by imaging the SD from an image file, with a tool like dd
[22:36] <JakeSays> i dont get the value of noobs
[22:36] <Habbie> steveire, *i think*
[22:36] <steveire> I want to do whatever I can get support for ;)
[22:37] <JakeSays> support from who?
[22:37] <JakeSays> steveire: what model pi do you have?
[22:40] <Habbie> JakeSays, i suggested raspbian earlier after libreelec showed trouble, suggesting raspbian would be easier to debug for this audience
[22:40] <JakeSays> what's the audience?
[22:43] <Habbie> JakeSays, this channel is
[22:43] <JakeSays> ah
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[22:51] <steveire> I see all this stuff about a config.txt file. It doesn't seem to exist on noobs though.
[22:51] <steveire> Am I missing something there?
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[22:54] <bazul> wello
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[22:57] <steveire> I have a noobs screen now, great.
[22:58] <steveire> I can select LibreElec checkbox, but I don't see any way to do anything else
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[22:59] <Habbie> steveire, but, now hdmi works?
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[23:01] <steveire> Habbie: Yes, thanks for your help. It's installing libreelec there now.
[23:01] <Habbie> steveire, alright! all i wanted was to rule out hardware failure
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[23:02] <steveire> Yep, I just plugged it in for the first time ever this evening, so wouldn't be surprised if it suffered some knocks in the moving around I've been doing and got some hw failure
[23:02] <Habbie> can't rule it out
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[23:03] <Habbie> can't rule it various other things like "libreelec does something weird that your tv does not like"
[23:03] <Habbie> etc.
[23:03] <Habbie> but you seeing noobs should be encouraging
[23:03] <Habbie> it means that if in a next step you don't get video, it's something minor
[23:03] <CoJaBo_> At least your TV didn't explode. Repeatedly
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[23:14] <Tenkawa> CoJaBo_: literally?
[23:14] <Tenkawa> no way
[23:14] <CoJaBo_> Tenkawa: I went to turn it on and KERSPLAT
[23:14] <Tenkawa> if so ouch what happened?
[23:14] <CoJaBo_> The surge strip exploded in sparks
[23:14] <Tenkawa> yikes
[23:15] <CoJaBo_> I still haven't quite figured out how to get to it
[23:15] <Tenkawa> that is a bit scary
[23:16] <CoJaBo_> In the process of trying to find a replacement one, a lightbulb then exploded
[23:16] <Habbie> i have twice had a monitor loudly die on me
[23:16] <Habbie> but without external damage
[23:16] <CoJaBo_> This scared the hell out of me particularly because I literally just had the TV apart to clean it just the other day <_<
[23:17] <CoJaBo_> I tried to wipe a big smudge off the screen, only to find it wasn't ON the screen, ugh.
[23:17] <Tenkawa> i've had some pretty heavy duty capacitors go out on me
[23:17] <CoJaBo_> A spider crawled into the lens and died
[23:17] <Tenkawa> want to talk about something that'll make you jump
[23:18] <Tenkawa> those things are LOUD
[23:18] <CoJaBo_> Also, it looked like water was spilled all over the place inside too; I dunno how that got in there
[23:20] <Tenkawa> is there a water line nearby?
[23:20] <CoJaBo_> The top of the set is closed, and there's no sign of water on anything else
[23:21] <CoJaBo_> It looks like the water just appeared in the middle of the interior, and dripped down all over the projectors
[23:21] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
[23:21] <CoJaBo_> I was utterly amazed how bright and vivid the colors are now
[23:21] <lopta> We had someone spill iced tea into a server once.
[23:21] <CoJaBo_> It's like a fricking brand new TV; hadn't noticed it had even gotten that bad til I finally cleaned it <_<
[23:22] <Tenkawa> lopta: ouch
[23:22] <CoJaBo_> lopta: I watched someone spill a server all over their head once
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[23:23] <lopta> CoJaBo_: That doesn't sound ideal.
[23:23] <CoJaBo_> Apparently, the plumbing above it leaked a bit
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[23:25] <Tenkawa> so who will be on the scene with a case for the new pi?
[23:25] <Habbie> Tenkawa, the raspberry pi foundation is offering one
[23:25] <Tenkawa> er first
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[23:26] <Tenkawa> oh... didnt see it.. they sent me offsite
[23:26] <Tenkawa> since I got my board ordered
[23:26] <Tenkawa> I want a case
[23:28] <Tenkawa> where?
[23:28] <Tenkawa> when I click buy it just lists the 4 resellers for the board
[23:28] <lopta> I have a sudden need for six Raspberry Pi 3 A+ boards.
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[23:34] <Tenkawa> and it snows yet again
[23:35] <lopta> Is the 3A+ announced but not released yet?
[23:36] <Tenkawa> yes
[23:36] <lopta> Ah ok.
[23:36] <lopta> I will have to wait then.
[23:36] <lopta> ...patiently.
[23:37] <Tenkawa> I'm showing nov 28
[23:37] <Tenkawa> locally
[23:37] <Tenkawa> at microcenter
[23:38] <Tenkawa> I already ordered mine from one of the foundations resellers though
[23:38] <lopta> Oh! I found it.
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[23:38] <lopta> US$ 25.
[23:38] <Tenkawa> so I could make sure I don't forget
[23:38] <lopta> Bargain!
[23:39] <Tenkawa> yeah no kidding
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