#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-11-16

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[0:46] <jiffe> so I've got my pi connected to my TV via HDMI so that I can poll CEC info, but it looks like when I reboot the pi it turns the TV on
[0:46] <jiffe> hdmi_ignore_cec_init=1 in /boot/config.txt doesn't seem to address that
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[0:58] <jiffe> if I plug it into the receiver rather than the TV the bus still shows the TV but boot doesn't seem to turn the TV on now
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[1:30] <ohjk> What kind of cec info can you poll
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[1:31] <ohjk> Could I use the rpi to figure out if it's the TV or soundbar that's causing CEC to randomly drop, requiring reboot?
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[1:44] <BCMM> ohjk: you may or may not see something intersting in cec-client when the badness happens
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[1:44] <BCMM> that's all i've got
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[1:45] <ohjk> Interesting though. Worth checking out cause I have no other option than to replace one of them to try and figure it out
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[5:53] <mindofmateo> I'm having a problem with cron.
[5:54] <mindofmateo> The crontab line looks like this:
[5:54] <mindofmateo> * * * * * /bin/bash /home/user/scripts/myscript.sh
[5:54] <mindofmateo> The script has executable permissions.
[5:55] <mindofmateo> I can see that cron is doing *something* by searching `grep CRON /var/log/syslog | tail -5` which shows that it is in fact doing something every minute
[5:55] <mindofmateo> but the log of the script doesn't show anything, and there is no indication that the script is actually doing something
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[7:38] <VladTheImplier> Hey all. I wanted to ask about the PIZero as a GPIO expander: I only read about the GUI utility. Can the expander functionality be automated to launch on boot, instead of clicking in the GUI?
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[7:45] <CyberManifest> Q.) What's the password for "root" on the raspberry pi? I tried using "su" from the "pi" user and using the password: "raspberry" but it says: su: Authentication failure
[7:46] <VladTheImplier> CyberManifest: The Pi may have defaulted to QWERTY Layout, but you may have a QWERTZ Keyboard. Try typing raspberrz
[7:47] <CyberManifest> VladTheImplier: that is not the issue: text types fine in other input scenarios
[7:47] <CyberManifest> but just for grins I will attempt as you suggest
[7:48] <CyberManifest> same thing... su: Authentication failure
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[7:48] <VladTheImplier> CyberManifest: Ohh, then good luck :]
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[7:50] <CyberManifest> VladTheImplier: so you wasted my time by being a charlatan and pretending to know something you obviously don't
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[7:55] <VladTheImplier> CyberManifest: I made that suggestion in good faith :[ I actually misread the question and thought you were at the login screen
[7:56] <VladTheImplier> CyberManifest: Had that happen to me a few times.
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[7:57] <shauno> there is no root password set by default. use sudo instead of su (sudo requires the current user's password, su requires the password of the user you're switching to)
[7:58] <CyberManifest> shauno I do typically use sudo and sudo su but I'd really like to know the password for root
[7:58] <shauno> actually, in raspbian's default config sudo isn't gonna ask the 'pi' user for a password at all, but the logic is still valid
[7:58] <shauno> then set one. there isn't a default password.
[7:59] <CyberManifest> shauno: there must be, because when I type: su and enter It asks for a Password: when I simply press enter I get > su: Authentication failure
[8:00] <shauno> look in the file /etc/shadow. for the pi user, the line will start pi:alongvalue .. that long value is pi's user encrypted. now look at root's entry. it's root:* just like the rest of the accounts that have no password
[8:01] <CyberManifest> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[8:01] <CyberManifest> it's asking for one and simply returning null gives Auth error
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[8:02] <malen> has anyone gotten the new pi?
[8:02] <shauno> right, because no password and a zero-length password aren't the same thing
[8:02] <crowley95> what new pi
[8:03] <crowley95> no ethernet? gross
[8:03] <CyberManifest> shauno: so basically change the password from no existent to something with: "sudo passwd root" from pi account then I should be able to use "su"?
[8:03] <shauno> exactly
[8:12] <shauno> (sorry if I sound snippy .. the difference between it not being set, and being set to nothing, are at the limits of 7am vocabulary)
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[8:29] <CyberManifest> shauno: no worries, you were correct, I tried it, and it worked but then I decided I didn't want it so I set it back; thanks for the information :)
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[11:01] <tommy``> hello all!
[11:06] <friendofafriend> Howdy tommy``! Wifi going well?
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[11:06] <tommy``> hey! yes, yesterday evening i fixed at home
[11:06] <friendofafriend> Saw something about that. Congratulations! :)
[11:07] <tommy``> using WPA2 AES and changing router ip
[11:07] <tommy``> now here I am at my second home
[11:07] <tommy``> but here no working :D
[11:08] <friendofafriend> That's part of the fun!
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[11:08] <tommy``> i've to get it wokring in 3 different AP now
[11:08] <tommy``> :D
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[11:10] <tommy``> ahhhhh i know why doesnt working
[11:11] <tommy``> because in wpa_supplicant i havent configured this network { } friendofafriend :D
[11:11] <tommy``> i think i'll need an eth cable :D
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[11:15] <tommy``> friendofafriend, done, done, done and done! now i've 3 AP in 3 different places far away wokring
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[11:52] <BurtyB> woo the 3A+ is tiny - tho it's dissapointed already with no rpiboot :(
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[12:00] <Habbie> BurtyB, no rpiboot? hmm?
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[12:02] <BurtyB> Habbie, it doesn't show up as a device :(
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[12:02] <Habbie> aha
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[12:22] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: yeah, just asked Gordon about it. He should be replying to your forum thread about it.
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> BurtyB, does 'gpio readall' whinge about unknown Pi?
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> I got an email yesterday from someone saying their 3B (not plus) said 'unkown' too, so maybe there's a new release of that too.
[12:36] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, "Oops - unable to determine board type... model: 14"
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> ok, thanks.
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[12:38] <gordonDrogon> will push out a new wiringPi shortly. it should correctly detect it though, just the readall command that whinges.
[12:39] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, thanks
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[13:15] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: Since I don't see a reply yet, the short version is that it's an unintended consequence of enabling USB boot OTP bit.
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[13:27] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, ah :( - do you know if will that also prevent it being used as a usb device?
[13:28] <shiftplusone> Gordon said that should still work, but I haven't tried. I think I saw gbaman say it doesn't. I've ordered an A-A usb cable to try it out next week.
[13:29] <shiftplusone> Then I'll be going to Australia nest month, so it would be nice to be able to just take an A+ instead of a zero for quick pi work from a laptop.
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[13:40] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, ta, I'll prob take a look over the weekend (i seem to remember the CM3 needed a custom kernel back when I looked at it last) - if you haven't got an A-A you can use a pi zero w, yay for connector abuse :)
[13:40] <shiftplusone> ah, interesting idea
[13:41] <BurtyB> i know if doesn't help connect it to a laptop but that's how I have it on mine atm :)
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> I have a small number of old A+'s left over - wonder if I can give them away ...
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[14:07] <shiftplusone> slight problem with the zero to A+ connection... I can't connect a keyboard or anything else
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[14:28] <friendofafriend> Here, have a smile. :) https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/9xm1no/i_dont_have_a_3d_printer_rate_my_headless_pi/
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> need bigger heatshrink..
[14:31] <BurtyB> heh I got some clear heatshrink today to put around the pizero - hopefully it won't look like that ;)
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[14:38] <shiftplusone> Can't seem to get the 3A+ to go into gadget mode.
[14:38] <shiftplusone> You just need to enable the dwc2 overlay and load dwc2 and g_ether modules, right?
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[14:41] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, yeah - I tried with a known working (in a pi zero) image and it doesn't work
[14:42] <BurtyB> so might be a kernel option, hopefully :)
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[14:47] <exarkun22> I'm trying to figure out the pros/cons of aarch64 on 3 b+. I see some forum posts saying there are some binary-only drivers that are only available for 32 bit. I see information elsewhere saying everything works fine. what's the scoop on aarch64 support? in particular, I care about gpio right now and my first attempt at aarch64 seems to have given me something without access to gpio.
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> want support -> Raspbian. Want to blaze the trail and fix it yourself? -> anything else..
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> I know that wiringPi is not 64-bit clean, but there are dozens of gpio libraries now.
[14:49] <iKarith> wiringPi isn't yet?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> nope. never will be either.
[14:50] <iKarith> er, why not?
[14:50] <exarkun22> The other libraries I've looked at build fine but at runtime they look at /proc/cpuinfo or /proc/device-tree and then fail to find the hardware information they think they want
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, because there isn't an officially supproted 64-bit OS from the Pi foundation. when there is, I'll consider it.
[14:51] <Khaytsus> What is all this talk of needing 64 bit OSes on Pi recently?
[14:51] <Khaytsus> Is it the same person over and over or am I missing something
[14:51] <exarkun22> fwiw I didn't say I needed a 64 bit OS and I've never been in this channel before.
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> there are a small number of different people who pop up from time to time asking about 64-bit support.
[14:51] <Khaytsus> Shouldn't we be talking about the 3 a or something?
[14:52] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: the mere non-existence today of something that will doubtless happen sooner or later is no reason to have sub-optimal code
[14:52] <iKarith> If your code is not clean for 64 bit, that means it contains bugs whereupon assumptions are made about datatype equivalences that are false.
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, the issue is ABI compatibility. I could fix the one thing I know is broken in 64-bit, but it'll break absolutely *everything* else that dynamically links to wiringPi.
[14:53] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: ABI compatibility is something different entirely.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> so until there is an officially supported 64-bi distro from the Pi foundation, wiringPi will stay as it is.
[14:54] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: You may want to encourage a new API and still maintain the existing ABI on 32 bit OSes.
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> why?
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> although the API won't change. it's an internal structure that stores a 32-bit address that will break everything if it changes.
[14:55] <shiftplusone> Info about new images released today, if anyone is interested https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-update-november-2018/
[14:56] <iKarith> Ah, then not even that is necessary, cool.
[14:56] <iKarith> Just a recompile against a wiringPi with a bumped soname
[14:56] <iKarith> With bumped soname version being the first to support 64 bit
[14:57] <exarkun22> Okay, so just to clarify for me, is it (a) wiringPi or (b) Pi foundation or (c) #raspberrypi that's opposed to discussion of aarch64 here?
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[14:58] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, I honestly can't be bothered. the number if C/wiringPi users is ever dwindling now. most people jsut think python on the Pi now - the foundation has done an excellent job in that respect.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> exarkun22, no-one said anything about opposing the discussion.
[14:58] <exarkun22> Ah, okay, I misunderstood.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> the reality is that if you want support then go with the 99.99999% solution which is 32-bit raspbian.
[14:59] <exarkun22> What does "support" mean? Is talking to people on this channel not "support"?
[14:59] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: ah... I think I have a way to get gadget mode working. Will test in a few moments.
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[14:59] <friendofafriend> "Support" is the documentation and the community.
[14:59] <iKarith> Yeah on the Pi, you can run lots of things, but if you want random people to be able to answer questions, Raspbian is the basis for the majority of people being reasonably likely to know the answer. :)
[15:00] <shiftplusone> exarkun22: you can talk about it all you want.
[15:00] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, typical - I'm trying to reduce the amount of mirror space I need and you go adding another version heh
[15:01] <exarkun22> I have basically no problem at all with going 32 bit. I happen to already have an aarch64 install so it would be slightly easier to just stick with that. My initial question was just about trying to understand the landscape - what is known to work, what is not known to work, what is unknown. For example, are there 32bit-only binary drivers that will make me wait for broadcom before aarch64 can work completely?
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> exarkun22, this is community support - here is the issue - out of the 20 million Pi's only a few dozen (maybe a few 100?) run anything other than 32-bit Raspbian, so support is somewhat limited.
[15:01] <exarkun22> I am getting a very strongly negative vibe from the responses to this question.
[15:01] <iKarith> shiftplusone: can I interpret the comment made in the note about the 3A+ to indicate that the 3 is the last version that will fit the "B+ type" form factor?
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> so it's not that we're neagative, simply that we don't know enough about anyting other than 32-bit raspbian to be able to offer support.
[15:02] <iKarith> That mini-B USB plug has been bugging me since the 3s first dropped ;)
[15:02] <exarkun22> okay, that's a lot easier for me to understand than what was said before which sounded more like "if you don't want 32 bit, go away" (I'm paraphrasing, I know you didn't say that, just trying to clarify what it sounded like to me)
[15:02] <iKarith> 2.5A is already out of spec by about 600mA for that connector ;)
[15:03] <shiftplusone> iKarith: I can't really comment, but it's more of a comment about the SoC required than the form factor.
[15:03] <friendofafriend> Well, that and there's not really anything to gain by running a 64-bit operating system on the Pi.
[15:03] <exarkun22> So, thank you for clarifying.
[15:04] <exarkun22> friendofafriend: as I understand it, more registers are available, which might be a non-trivial performance win in some cases (I'm sure it won't make any difference in my case)
[15:04] <mlelstv> unless you are interested in aarch64 for some reason.
[15:04] <iKarith> shiftplusone: I don't really mind the form factor in general, just that USB power plug. The original B's form factor was wonky AF, but the B+ form factor works pretty nicely unless you can give us more clearance around the GPIO connector.
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> 64-bit is at best an academic excercise on the Pi right now. There may be some advanced maths stuff that may benefit from it, but the reality is that if yuo're doing that sort of stuff then you'll need the memory to go with it and an ordinary desktop PC will run circles round a Pi.
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[15:05] <iKarith> Ribbon cables are a LITTLE snug inside cases that want to use those screw holes.
[15:05] <exarkun22> but (to repeat myself, sorry) I wasn't asking about what the benefits of aarch64 were over armv7.
[15:05] <waveform> shiftplusone, oooh - vlc hardware accel? Right, that's another thing I need to change in the picamera docs :)
[15:05] <iKarith> But my complaint is really the USB plug
[15:06] <iKarith> Especially as a higher power SoC is doubtless gonna want 3A for headroom.
[15:06] <mlelstv> what higher power SoC would that be? :)
[15:07] <iKarith> mlelstv: the release for the 3A+ says the 3 is pretty much the end of the road for the Pi's current design. Need a new SoC and design around that to go any further with it.
[15:07] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: woo... Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget
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[15:08] <BurtyB> iKarith, I was pleasantly surprised how much micro usb connectors can cope with tbh, I put 5.5A through one the other day trying to melt it and failed
[15:08] <iKarith> mlelstv: A new generation of Pi would probably use a higher powered SoC as every generation has done so, using the best chip you can get for the price
[15:08] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, woohoo :D
[15:08] <iKarith> BurtyB: They're spec'd at 1900mA.
[15:08] <shiftplusone> waveform: seems to work very nicely while testing internally... I'm sure people will find all the ways it breaks soon enough >.>
[15:08] <iKarith> BurtyB: Failure to turn it into a puddle is a good thing though.
[15:08] <mlelstv> I doubt that the bcm283x is the "best chip for the price" :)
[15:08] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: the trick was dtoverlay=dwc2,dr_mode=peripheral
[15:09] <iKarith> mlelstv: It started out that Broadcom was what the designers knew how to use.
[15:10] <iKarith> I'm actually not sure the Pi needs more GPU than VC4 even in its next iteration
[15:10] <BurtyB> iKarith, I wanted to see how far it went sadly it worked better than my psu
[15:11] <iKarith> It might want other features other GPUs can offer like direct hardware for 4k/60 or whatever, but rendering performace of VC4 is still almost more than you can effectively drive with the 4 cores you have now.
[15:11] <mlelstv> ikarith, RPI is a project founded by a broadcom engineer.
[15:11] <iKarith> BurtyB: I got tired of losing my high power PSUs through crappy USB cables.
[15:12] <iKarith> mlelstv: Exactly, which is why the design started wtih a Broadcom chip. Use what you know.
[15:12] <friendofafriend> Is there a Broadcom SoC that supports LPDDR4?
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[15:13] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, ah, cool. I looked at modinfo for dwc2 for options but it didn't list any "param"
[15:13] <shiftplusone> Having input on SoCs which are in development, being able to negotiate good prices, having access to the firmware and hardware source code all go a long way to making BCM chips the most suitable option.
[15:13] * iKarith is still hopeful for a 4GB Pi at some point when the RAM price fixers get slapped properly for price fixing.
[15:14] <mlelstv> the videocore4 can only handle 1GB RAM
[15:14] <mlelstv> all RPI SoCs so far are based on VC4
[15:14] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: device tree overlay parameter rather than a module parameter. https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/overlays/README#L507
[15:14] <friendofafriend> It's not just RAM prices being fixed, DDR2 and DDR3 are in short supply.
[15:16] <iKarith> friendofafriend: more argument for a new generation :) It'll come in time. The 3B+ is still a great board to work with, and for people who have other specific needs for higher power video, more RAM, more cores, faster networking, or better storage options … solutions now exist and the support for them is getting better.
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[15:17] <iKarith> You still have to fundamentally have some idea wtf you're doing vs. the Pi because there's not as much community support, but for the specific things people are doing, they exist and they work
[15:17] <iKarith> The Pi was first and foremost targeted at education
[15:17] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, thanks for looking at it :)
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[15:18] <friendofafriend> Logically there's going to be supply problems at some point in the near future, and I suspect the SBC that acts as a stopgap will end up drawing most of the community.
[15:19] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: no problem. I need it working too.
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[15:25] <Rickta59> i was thinking back the other day on how much actually memory my at&t 3b1 had .. i think it was 2MB with a 40MB hd
[15:26] <Rickta59> i ran linux in the 90s on 128MB machines with 200mb hd
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[15:27] <Rickta59> and now 1GB machines running at 1GHz ... for less than a decent meal
[15:27] <mlelstv> and still not enough memory
[15:28] <Rickta59> i think that goes more to bloated software than hw limitations
[15:29] <mlelstv> and to expectations..
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[15:30] <shiftplusone> I blame web developers.
[15:30] <mlelstv> a Sun-3 with 8MB and Suntools was usuable. For X you should have at least 12MB.
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm running Unix on a 16Mhz, 4MB machine next to me ..
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> although that's just for fun, for work, I did use a Sun 3 with 4MB of RAM for a while.
[15:31] <mlelstv> would a mouse help you ? :)
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> we did ugprade the Sun3's to 12M eventually - third party plug-in board...
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> what I'm playing with right now: https://unicorn.drogon.net/ruby-02.jpg it has a whole 64KB of RAM :)
[15:33] <Rickta59> what mcu is that?
[15:33] <Rickta59> cpu
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> 65c02 on the right, ATmega 1284p on the left. 64K in the middle.
[15:34] <Rickta59> i often get nostaligic about building something like that .. then slap myself awake ;)
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:35] <larsks> gordonDrogon: what's it do?
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20181115_164041.jpg is a close-up of that 64K of RAM - it's 2 x 32K chips stacked, so the Pi isn't the only thing that can stack RAM chips :)
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> larsks, it's just a bit of fun - 40 years ago the 6502 was the first CPU I coded assembler on, so I built one.
[15:37] <larsks> 6502 assembly is fun. What role does the atmega play there...i/o interface, mostly?
[15:37] <Rickta59> is the atemga doing all the peripheral stuff? uart etc?
[15:37] <Rickta59> rom?
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> the atmega shares the top 256 bytes of ram, so pokes the bootstrap into it then does video, serial and spi talking via the shared memory interface.
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> the spi will go to an sd card reader eventually.
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[15:40] <gordonDrogon> the first unix system I used had 128KW of core memory (256KB, but arranged as 128K of 16-bit words)
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> it all went downhill from there ;-)
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> I like the Pi because I think it's made a few people appreciate that you don't need gigbbungies of ram, disk or cores to actually do something useful.
[15:44] <shauno> I dunno. the immediate reactions to the 3A+ were still people complaining that 512MB isn't enough
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> my little 6502 system there is just a test board for the 65816 - 16-bit version of the 6502. I've never used one, so now' my chance :)
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> what do they expect for $25 ... )-:
[15:44] <fetzenfisch> there is a lot of bigger hardware out for "advanced" use szenarios ... e.g. odroid-h2 is providing even a celeron nowdays ... so no need for raspberry foundation to fill this market for a bunch of users which are even to lazy to fill this products with software/applications ... with raspberrypi almost everybody on this planet is able to develop and provide his results to almost all potential users for just ~ 35 bucks ..
[15:44] <fetzenfisch> . and average users are happy with it.
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[15:46] <Rickta59> i think people like the os software support you get from the rpi people, you won't find that on cheaper boards
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> even some of the more expensive pi-lookalike boards have little/no support ...
[15:46] <mlelstv> are there cheaper boards?
[15:46] <Rickta59> than rpi?
[15:47] <mlelstv> yep
[15:47] <mlelstv> it's all about the same price
[15:47] <Rickta59> you can get a pocketbeagle for $25
[15:47] <Rickta59> * granted no video
[15:48] <Rickta59> but you get two realtime co processors .. making it good for physical computing vs media center
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[15:48] <friendofafriend> I don't really know how you beat a $5 Pi Zero, or a $10 W.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> I wonder how many people use them though (rt co-procs) or it were were maybe just for marketing?
[15:48] <Rickta59> where do you actually get a $5 pi and $10 w?
[15:49] <Rickta59> i certainly have to spend $15 on shipping to get either
[15:49] <mlelstv> a pi0 costs about EUR12 here, a pi0w about EUR18.
[15:49] <shiftplusone> Rickta59: 'murica. Walk into a microcenter.
[15:49] <Rickta59> closes one to me is like 6hours
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> if I were in Sheffield, I'm sure I could walk into Pimoroni and get one without postage fees.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> but yea, sheffield is 4.5 hours from me.
[15:50] <friendofafriend> You can get a Raspi 3B at Target in the US for about $40.
[15:50] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: still have to pay VAT and currency conversion margin
[15:50] <Rickta59> really .. didn't that
[15:50] <shiftplusone> Which is probably going to go up the way GBP is going.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, sure - but I need to pay that anyway.
[15:50] <Rickta59> i can get one from arrow for $35 with free overnight
[15:51] <Rickta59> but i can't get either of the rpi zeros
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> somewhat ironic for a device designed and assembled in the UK to pay $ for it ...
[15:52] <shiftplusone> And yet I have been accused of blind nationalism for having GB defaults in Raspbian.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm all for keeping GB as the default locale :)
[15:53] <friendofafriend> I would prefer Esperanto.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> friendofafriend, ah. yo and the other 11 speakers of it ..
[15:53] <shiftplusone> Of course the person who made that accusation said it should all default to US >_<
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> could be worse... could be German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG62zay3kck ;-)
[15:56] <mfa298> maybe it should default to Jive (for those old enough to know the relevant film)
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> although that's about rhubarb, not raspberries, but hey ...
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> mfa298, apt-get install filters
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[15:59] <shiftplusone> As a Volga German, I wouldn't be against that.
[16:00] <friendofafriend> We try to keep it clean, here.
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[16:15] <tommy``> i've this ID device 054c:0268, how can i test it with jstest? i haven't on /dev/input
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[16:29] <BCMM> shiftplusone: heh, i love the language defaults in raspbian. it makes a nice change to use an os where my keyboard works out-of-the-box :)
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[16:30] <shiftplusone> heh
[16:31] <friendofafriend> tommy``: Sweet, a Sony DualShock?
[16:32] <tommy``> yes i want to test a script for an ester egg
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[16:32] <friendofafriend> tommy``: "jstest /dev/input/js0" works for mine. ;)
[16:33] <tommy``> yes but my js0 is the default joystick of my cabinet
[16:33] <tommy``> this is another joystick, the js0 is not connected now
[16:33] <friendofafriend> Well, then just a ls /dev/input/js* and figure out where it landed.
[16:35] <tommy``> strange thing is that there aren't other js
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[16:36] <friendofafriend> Do you have the hid_sony module loaded?
[16:36] <tommy``> how i check?
[16:37] <friendofafriend> lsmod | grep -i hid_sony
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[16:39] <tommy``> ah dang seems not
[16:39] <friendofafriend> Does it exist when you do a "modinfo hid_sony" ?
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[16:41] <tommy``> yes
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[16:43] <friendofafriend> tommy``: I remember you're using RetroPie, and it looks like they're using a custom driver for the Sony DualShock. https://jwills.co.uk/2018/04/retropie-4-4-is-released/
[16:43] <tommy``> filename: /lib/modules/4.9.35-v7+/updates/dkms/hid-sony.ko
[16:43] <friendofafriend> You may want to do an "lsmod | grep sony" to see if its been loaded.
[16:43] <friendofafriend> You might find "customhidsony" there.
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[16:44] <tommy``> seems not loaded
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[16:45] <friendofafriend> OK, well then you might try doing a "sudo modprobe hid_sony" and see if a new device appears when you "ls /dev/input/js*".
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[16:46] <tommy``> still only js0
[16:46] <friendofafriend> I'm using one of those joysticks on my machine here. Are the lights on the back, by the USB port, flashing, or is there a light under "1"?
[16:47] <tommy``> flashing
[16:47] <friendofafriend> If you hit the clear "PlayStation" button in the middle, that should make just "1" light.
[16:48] <friendofafriend> Mine doesn't work until you do that.
[16:48] <tommy``> i pushed but keep flasing
[16:48] <friendofafriend> You may try holding that button until all lights go off, and then pressing it again.
[16:49] <friendofafriend> That joystick may also not work if it's connected elsewhere by USB.
[16:49] <friendofafriend> Sorry, by Bluetooth**.
[16:49] <tommy``> no no it's connected by bluetooth
[16:49] <tommy``> *sub cable
[16:49] <tommy``> sorry
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[16:50] <friendofafriend> Yes, but, for example, mine will not use the USB interface when connected by Bluetooth.
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[16:50] <tommy``> i meant, i've connected ps3 gamepad on pi2 with usb cable
[16:51] <friendofafriend> There is a reset button on the underside of that controller, also.
[16:51] <twainwek> mornin' ladies and gents. i'm having issues connecting to a pi board through uart. i get 'device descriptor read/64, error -71', '-110', and 'cannot enumerate usb device' errors when i hook it up. voltage is good afaict
[16:52] <friendofafriend> twainwek: So, you've got a UART adapter, and you're getting those messages on the computer you've plugged it into?
[16:53] <twainwek> friendofafriend: i'm hooking up usb on computer to tx/rx on gpio of rpi, and get those errors on my computer
[16:54] <twainwek> usb 2.0 if it makes any difference
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> is this a usb to serial adapter board?
[16:56] <twainwek> no adaptors... i took a usb to usb cable, split one end, and hooked it up directly
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> oh.
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> so one end is plugged into your PC and the other end is connected to .. what? the rx/tx pins on the Pi?
[16:57] <twainwek> yes
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> that will never work.
[16:57] <twainwek> and tx/rx/grnd
[16:57] <twainwek> oh
[16:57] <twainwek> :/
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's tx/rx are not usb.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> you need a usb serial adapter at the PC end - also (really important) one that uses 3.3v signaling for the Pi. Feed 5v into the Pi (as you are now) and it's by by raspberry pi ..
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[17:03] <tommy``> friendofafriend still no luck
[17:04] <friendofafriend> twainwek: I use a cheap 3.3V UART adapter like this one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-3v-5v-USB-to-TTL-Converter-Ch340g-UART-Serial-Adapter-Module-STC-5v-3-3v-6-Pin/292596283845
[17:05] <friendofafriend> Anyway, I hope your Pi and your USB port turn out OK. You might want to disconnect that stuff.
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[17:06] <friendofafriend> tommy``: Do you see anything about that controller in dmesg? I use one of those DualShocks almost every day on my machine here.
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[17:07] <tommy``> https://paste.ofcode.org/ZsxPC7t2X64JsNxBuLhhvn
[17:07] <twainwek> wait how can i damage it if the power cable of the usb is not connected
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[17:08] <friendofafriend> You can certainly damage the USB port by crossing power to ground accidentally.
[17:08] <tommy``> https://paste.ofcode.org/k5e47iv4QbL8WJQ8wnHJTF
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> more likely to damage the Pi by feeding the 5v usb signal into the Pi's 3.3v pins.
[17:09] <friendofafriend> tommy``: Maybe unplug, replug, and hit the "PlayStation" button on the controller again?
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> (however there are usually resistors on the usb data path wires)
[17:09] <tommy``> yes done
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[17:10] <tommy``> friendofafriend https://paste.ofcode.org/cS4gy3uacvdaLkkHyxfPpp
[17:11] <twainwek> ok thanks guys!
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[17:11] <friendofafriend> tommy``: If you hold down the "PlayStation" button for around ten seconds, all lights should go off. Have you tried that?
[17:12] <tommy``> yes
[17:12] <tommy``> no goes off
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[17:13] <tommy``> still blinking
[17:14] <friendofafriend> tommy``: Oh, OK! You'll have to press the "PlayStation" button once to get the light under "1" back.
[17:14] <tommy``> yes try that also
[17:14] <tommy``> no light
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[17:16] <friendofafriend> Those controllers can be a little tricky to get going. There's some good information about them here. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Sony_DualShock
[17:17] <friendofafriend> On mine, I can hold down the PlayStation button for a while, the controller will go off. I press it once, the lights blink, I press it again and the LED under "1" lights up and I have a /dev/input/js0 device.
[17:17] <tommy``> but you use with a bluetooth dongle, right?
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[17:17] <friendofafriend> I'm using it wired to a USB port, but I have also used it by Bluetooth.
[17:17] <tommy``> ah ok
[17:19] <tommy``> module i think is loaded
[17:19] <tommy``> hid_sony 642 0
[17:21] <friendofafriend> You may also do a "sudo rmmod hid_sony ; sudo modprobe customhidsony".
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[17:22] <tommy``> FATAL second one not found
[17:23] <friendofafriend> It might be best to ask in #retropie, because it seems like they have lots of experience with that DualShock controller.
[17:24] <friendofafriend> Enough to even include a custom driver for it! ;)
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[17:31] <wasutton3> so i've got an issue with hostapd and my raspi3b. My linux laptop connects just fine. My android phone connects/disconnects endlessly
[17:34] <wasutton3> it disconnects and re-connects regardless of encryption
[17:34] <friendofafriend> wasutton3: How often between disconnects/reconnects on your Android device?
[17:35] <wasutton3> 5-10s at most
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[17:36] <friendofafriend> So it's only connected for 10 seconds at a time?
[17:36] <wasutton3> at best
[17:36] <wasutton3> it seems to constantly be in the handshaking/deauth process
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[17:37] <friendofafriend> Is your AP 5GHz or 2.4GHz?
[17:37] <wasutton3> 2.4
[17:38] <wasutton3> hostapd.log says AP-STA-CONNECTED, then RADIUS: starting accounting session, then hostapt_new_assoc_sta reschedule ap_handle_timer timeout for MAC (300 seconds)
[17:38] <wasutton3> and then nl80211: delete station
[17:39] <wasutton3> hmmmm its setting the station flags authorized=0
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[17:41] <friendofafriend> I see a friendly fellow posted some scripts to automate configuring hostapd on the Raspi3B+. https://github.com/rudiratlos/hotspot
[17:41] <Tenkawa> friendofafriend: mini-pci found and installed succesfully
[17:42] <friendofafriend> Have you looked over those, wasutton3?
[17:42] <friendofafriend> Tenkawa: Awwww yeah! Bluetooth for you?!
[17:42] <Tenkawa> you were here yesterday when we were discussing right?
[17:42] <Tenkawa> yep
[17:42] <friendofafriend> Sure! That's great news! Is it an Atheros?
[17:42] <wasutton3> friendofafriend, no, havnt seen that yet
[17:42] <wasutton3> but im manually configuring the hostapd.conf file
[17:42] <Tenkawa> no. dual band intel wifi ac + bt
[17:43] <friendofafriend> wasutton3: It's a pretty new repo, only a couple weeks old.
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[17:44] <wasutton3> seems like its just a wrapper around hostapd
[17:44] <wasutton3> and it looks like it would make a whole mess of my isc-dhcp-server configs
[17:45] <wasutton3> aaaand my bind dns resolution
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[17:46] <Tenkawa> but yay now I have one really powerhouse machine with everything on it and none of the weird quirks the other one had
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[17:49] <friendofafriend> wasutton3: You're more than welcome to post your hostapd.conf file to http://paste.debian.net , with or without your passwords included is a matter of preference. ;)
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[17:50] <friendofafriend> Tenkawa: I really like those Intel wifi NICs, the ones I used had great FreeBSD support.
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[17:51] <wasutton3> paste.debian.net/plain/1052035
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[17:53] <friendofafriend> It's recommened to set country_code=
[17:53] <wasutton3> lets see what that does
[17:53] <wasutton3> that being said, why would my laptop connect without issue, but my phone not
[17:54] <wasutton3> friendofafriend, same behavior with country_code=US
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[17:57] <wasutton3> ok, we're getting somewhere
[17:58] <wasutton3> static ip on the phone works.
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[17:58] <wasutton3> that sounds like its a DHCP issue then
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[18:01] <wasutton3> except the dhcp logs don't show anything useful
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[18:26] <Tenkawa> friendofafriend: i figured might as well get some use out of it since the notebook itself was now no longer running
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[18:27] <Tenkawa> it was in on of those 2 in 1 flip notebooks
[18:28] <Tenkawa> i was not impressed
[18:29] <friendofafriend> I love gutting broken stuff for modules, webcams are my favorite.
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[18:31] <Tenkawa> i got a lot of ram sitting around
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[18:34] <Tenkawa> old stuff th9ugh
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[18:35] <Tenkawa> er though
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[19:32] <tommy``> friendofafriend i've installed ps3 driver from retropie-setup but now it's using my dongle bluetooth, not the usb cable
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[19:58] <cyanide> i'm writing using python to develop software for the rpi. i code on my linux box, then test the stuff on an actual rpi. how can i check if the code is running on a pi or an x86 desktop?
[19:59] <cyanide> i currently use sys.platform but that is an os-level check
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[20:02] <exarkun22> How is sys.platform insufficient? In what cases does it give the wrong answer?
[20:02] <cyanide> nvm, figured it out. import os, then os.uname()[4][:3] shows arm or x86 depending on platform
[20:02] <cyanide> that's close enough for me
[20:02] <cyanide> exarkun22, sys.platform shows linux
[20:02] <cyanide> since i'm running linux on my pi and my x86 box, it cannot differentiate
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[20:03] <exarkun22> okay. so "currently use" meaning "I have no working solution".
[20:03] <cyanide> ...i already figured it out?
[20:04] <exarkun22> nevermind, just a complete failure to communicate.
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[22:49] <ebol4> using Network-Manager 1.6.2-3 on raspbian, it is ignoring the setting ipv4.dns-priority. I have a connection where dns-priority is set to -1, which should ONLY use that connections DNS configuration, but it is not
[22:50] <ebol4> resolv.conf gets updated, but that connections DNS server ends up on the bottom of resolv.conf, with another connection's DNS servers above it
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