#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-11-18

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[0:27] <CyberManifest> semeion: you're right it was/is related to polkit and pkexec ... but I don't seem to know how to add myself as an authorized user
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[0:31] <CyberManifest> semeion: I tried: https://askubuntu.com/questions/542397/change-default-user-for-authentication but it only broke things :(
[0:31] <semeion> CyberManifest: i am not sure if this wiki can help you https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit
[0:31] <CyberManifest> so I had to change them back
[0:32] <semeion> CyberManifest: you are using raspbian, so, ask it in #raspbian
[0:32] <CyberManifest> semeion: from what I can tell the Authorization is hardcoded
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[1:29] <CyberManifest> I'm trying to register for the forums at the Official Raspberry Pi Website (https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ucp.php?mode=register) but it's telling me my e-mail address is already in use; I don't remember ever registering before and a quick search through my e-mail account doesn't show any messages from the raspberry pi site; I tried using the "forgot my password" and "resend activation email" but I get
[1:29] <CyberManifest> nowhere; what should I do?
[1:30] <CyberManifest> I even get a form error when trying the two options above
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[1:41] <Khaytsus> CyberManifest: May just be some error on their site, any way to contact them?
[1:43] <CyberManifest> Khaytsus: I just sen them a message from their contact page: https://www.raspberrypi.org/contact/
[1:43] <CyberManifest> sent*
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[2:35] <lowkeycoat1> hello, is there a button or combination button to get a tool bar or task manager or something?
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[2:37] <lowkeycoat1> better question. is there a keyboard button for the main menu list in raspian?
[2:38] <CyberManifest> lowkeycoat1: CTRL Plus ESC ?
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[5:32] <The_Woodsman> i'm picking up a project i haven't looked at for a while. i think it'd be easiest to do a clean install of raspbian, but i no longer have a micro SD port on any of my computers (except the pi of course). am i screwed, or is there some clever way i can reinstall raspbian using only SSH access?
[5:32] <Reedy> buy a usb -> micro sd adapter? ;P
[5:33] <The_Woodsman> yeah if i have to buy another little dongle thingie that's fine, was just wondering if it could be done without purchasing anything else
[5:33] <The_Woodsman> seemed like a long shot but i figured i'd ask
[5:34] <Reedy> Depending on your pi model..
[5:34] <Reedy> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
[5:34] <The_Woodsman> i've got a 3 model B v1.2
[5:34] <The_Woodsman> i'll check that out, thanks
[5:35] <The_Woodsman> hm looks like i'll have to buy something one way or another. okay cool, thanks for that link. has some handy stuff in it
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[5:37] <Reedy> There's probably hacky ways to do it with chroot
[5:38] <The_Woodsman> yeah i'm not sure if i'm willing to go super hacky. might just see if my friends have a laptop with a micro SD reader on it or buy a cheap dongle
[5:38] <Reedy> Have you got a full size SD reader? As the micro -> SD adapters are pretty cheap too
[5:39] <The_Woodsman> unfortunately i just used the one that was built into my old laptop, which broke between the time that i worked on this old project and now
[5:39] <The_Woodsman> so i have no SD capability going on at all right now
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[9:26] <tommy``> goodmorning all! and good sunday! :D
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[9:37] <getrat> What's so good about it?
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[9:37] <getrat> I still haven't found a Code of Cancer-less, secure OS that doesn't need babysitting and can run PHP and PostgreSQL.
[9:38] <getrat> Which runs on a RPI from 2015.
[9:38] <getrat> *2014
[9:38] <tommy``> just wanted to be polite
[9:38] <tommy``> getrat
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[9:40] <immibis> oh boy software politics
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[9:41] <getrat> No "politics" about it.
[9:41] <Ben64> oh no i can't use linux any more because they changed their code of conduct
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[9:41] <immibis> it absolutely is politics.
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[9:41] <getrat> I simply don't want anything to do with software that is under the control of dangerously mentally ill people. It's really a simple matter of basic security considerations.
[9:41] <Ben64> what 'under control'
[9:42] <immibis> linus torvalds is mentally ill?
[9:42] <Ben64> nothing changed in regards to control
[9:42] <Fulgen> getrat: write your own OS
[9:42] <getrat> If they control the "Code of Conduct", it's under their control.
[9:42] <Fulgen> then you know exactly what's in it
[9:42] <Ben64> that's not how anything works
[9:42] <immibis> see, because someone wrote up a policy, and similar policies have led to incidents in the past, therefore it must be a bad thing
[9:42] <immibis> getrat: who enforces it?
[9:42] <getrat> Fulgen: Will get right on it... Since I have unlimited time and energy and knowledge.
[9:42] <Ben64> the same people enforce it as the code of conflict before
[9:43] <immibis> i don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing but I'm not going to jump to "omg this is the greatest thing ever to solve lal the problems with that fascist linus torvalds" (people actually think that) or to "omg this will destroy linux" (people actually think that too)
[9:43] <Fulgen> getrat: well, I notice you spend time about being paranoid about a code of _conduct_, which is in now way a security risk, so better spend that time to be productiev
[9:43] <Fulgen> *ve
[9:43] <getrat> Very twisted logic.
[9:43] <Fulgen> immibis: tbh I actually like(d) his attitude, it held the kernel in one piece
[9:44] <fetzenfisch> what about writing your own code with ppl of same mental health like you?
[9:44] <Fulgen> and I can't remember an incident where he insulted the people directly
[9:44] <Ben64> he can still do his job without being a dick to others
[9:44] <getrat> I don't even like Linux in the first place.
[9:45] <Fulgen> then don't use it.
[9:45] <Ben64> cool
[9:45] <Fulgen> RISC OS might be your friend
[9:45] <immibis> I doubt Linus will really be swayed by *someone else* writing a code of conduct, other than to note that the community wants him to tone it down a little.
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[9:45] <Fulgen> or Windows 10 IoT
[9:45] <Fulgen> or $non-linux-os-for-raspi
[9:45] <getrat> Is there a proper OS, for RPI or otherwise?
[9:46] <getrat> Proper = no babysitting and no bullshit Codes of Cancer.
[9:46] <immibis> yes, the official one is called Raspbian.
[9:46] <getrat> Is that based on Linux?
[9:46] <immibis> yes.
[9:46] * immibis wonders if getrat ever noticed his political rhetoric is just as bad as those he claims to hate.
[9:47] <Ben64> why is a code of conduct bad anyway
[9:47] <Ben64> there was a code of conflict before
[9:47] <Ben64> which was very similar, but less detailed
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[9:47] <immibis> Ben64: there have been incidents in the past involving peoples' beliefs and this kind of document.
[9:47] <immibis> in particular some of the gender stuff, I think.
[9:48] <Ben64> seems low relevance to linux
[9:48] <getrat> So why is it in there?
[9:48] <getrat> If it's got no or low relevance to Linux?
[9:48] <immibis> it's basically seen as another branch of the same thought process that led to some guys getting fired for making a dongle joke (you know that incident?)
[9:48] <fetzenfisch> e.g. freebsd ... but u have to have learn sth. but for you i think this is cancer babysitting :D
[9:49] <Ben64> what immibis is describing is not related to linux or the coc there
[9:49] <immibis> well getrat is cancer, so he presumably doesn't want to use his own code as it would be Code of Cancer :)
[9:49] <Ben64> having a code of conduct is good for anything that involves multiple people working together
[9:50] <immibis> Ben64: i'm describing the wider political movement that likes to make sure every project has a CoC. Not all CoCs are necessarily associated with this movement but I'm not sure how many projects add one of their own accord.
[9:50] <immibis> I don't know if Linux's CoC came from this same sort of movement
[9:51] <Ben64> my question still remains, why is it bad
[9:51] <getrat> fetzenfisch: FreeBSD got ruined even before Linux with the same Code of Cancer.
[9:52] <getrat> fetzenfisch: What do you mean by "sth"?
[9:52] <getrat> Maybe you should learn "sth" yourself?
[9:52] <immibis> Ben64: I don't think it's been proven that this is a bad thing, but it is dubious
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[9:52] <Ben64> immibis: how so
[9:52] <fetzenfisch> nobody of the enduser has to act like it is described in coc ... it's just for the ppl. involved in developing linux ... sth. = something
[9:53] <immibis> Ben64: another connection: it's written by the same people that want Theodore T'so fired because of one tweet he wrote several years back about trans people.
[9:54] <Ben64> and?
[9:54] <immibis> so, the concern is that the people who advocate for this document want to use it for purposes that are to the detriment of the project
[9:54] <immibis> such as firing Theodore T'so
[9:54] <Ben64> what in the actual text is bad, because that's what got committed to the kernel
[9:54] <fetzenfisch> it's like your boss is saying ... don't touch females ... there is nothing wrong about to have some rules to behave in such a big community
[9:55] <immibis> oh sorry, it wasn't trans people, it was something about rape that he said.
[9:55] <Ben64> none of the people you're talking about are in control of the kernel
[9:55] <immibis> Ben64: yes, that's a major flaw in both sides
[9:56] <Ben64> what
[9:56] <immibis> even if there's a nefarious CoC, what are "they" gonna do with it if they don't actually wield any power?
[9:56] <Ben64> it's not even nefarious
[9:56] <Ben64> making a mountain out of a surface plate
[9:57] <immibis> ... not sure if you understand logical implication
[9:57] <Ben64> what implication
[9:57] <immibis> "Yes, probably not A. But even if A is true, then B might still be false."
[9:57] <Ben64> you keep making vague doomsday prophesies
[9:57] <immibis> and then you say "but A isn't even true!" in response to the second sentence.
[9:57] <Ben64> there's no substance
[9:58] <immibis> point me to my doomsday prophesy please...
[9:59] <immibis> I thought you were neutral and I'm trying to be neutral but the fact you keep insisting that I'm overreacting does not increase my esteem of you.
[9:59] <Ben64> blah blah detriment of the project, fired for making a dongle joke
[9:59] <Ben64> i'm not neutral
[9:59] <Ben64> i'm pro not being a dick
[10:00] <immibis> okay. my point is that the people who like to advocate CoCs also have a history of being dicks.
[10:01] <immibis> and sometimes the CoC is used as a tool to aid in their dickery. (sometimes it also helps prevent dickery, but I'm sure those cases go unreported because they're the norm)
[10:01] <immibis> and that is why there is drama surrounding CoCs.
[10:01] <Ben64> i know why there is drama
[10:01] <Ben64> my point is the drama is stupid
[10:02] <immibis> calling it a Code of Cancer strongly indicates that getrat has only seen the dickery by the pro-CoC side and not the dickery prevented by CoCs.
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[10:02] <Ben64> i've asked a bunch of people already, and so far nobody has given an answer
[10:02] <Ben64> why is the code of conduct bad
[10:02] <Ben64> they always point to irrelevant things
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[10:04] <immibis> nobody knows IF it is bad. nobody also knows IF it is good. there are indications that it can be either bad or good. In the worst case, it could be very bad. People don't like to support things that could turn out to be very bad.
[10:04] <fetzenfisch> it's only bad for people who do not want respect the rules ... it's the same like i see on the street/traffic every morning driving to work ...
[10:04] <immibis> I'm not sure if I can simplify that any further.
[10:04] <Ben64> you can know if it is bad or good
[10:04] <Ben64> by reading it
[10:04] <immibis> Ben64: reading it doesn't tell me how it will be enforced.
[10:04] <Ben64> it does
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[10:06] <immibis> the whole thing is deliberately vague. It basically says, don't be a dick. Especially don't be a sexual dick.
[10:06] <immibis> Don't harass people.
[10:06] <Ben64> no, the code of conflict was vague
[10:06] <vinnix> CoC does exists in the cyberspace since ever, but in the 90's it was called "Nettiquette". It was not specific for one project or other, but a general guidcance to communicate with each other.
[10:06] <immibis> oh am I looking at an old one?
[10:06] <Ben64> this is a lot more explicit, which is a good thing
[10:06] <immibis> this one? https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f
[10:06] <Ben64> immibis: idk, are you on code of conflict or conduct
[10:07] <vinnix> one important thing that is being there is do not feed the troll.
[10:07] <immibis> vinnix: you mean the linux one or nettiquette?
[10:08] <immibis> I always thought nettiquette was just a cutesy way of saying "don't be a dick", not any specific code
[10:08] <vinnix> you missed my point.
[10:08] <immibis> I could take your point to be that either me or ben is a troll, but doing so would be being a dick.
[10:08] <immibis> or that projects shouldn't need individual codes
[10:09] <vinnix> my point is "etiquette" is nothing more than a "code" for behavior.
[10:09] <vinnix> there is nothing wrong with that.
[10:09] <fetzenfisch> it has to be vague ... everybody has different feelings ... e.g. if someone is making a "bad" joke ... some people are laughing ... most are not laughing ... so there is a verdict of the community ... you cannot write a document capping everything
[10:10] <immibis> I guess so.
[10:10] <vinnix> if one wants to "enforce" something specific for a project or a social group, if the group agrees, also, nothing wrong with that, if the group has means to modify the rules.
[10:10] <immibis> I think the two lists of positive and negative behaviour in the Linux CoC are perfectly fine.
[10:11] <immibis> The problem is when the maintainer has discretion. So the person who wants to fire Ted T'so used to be the maintainer for a quite important subsystem.
[10:11] <immibis> Which did not overlap with Ted's work I believe. But imagine that it did. You could be suddenly unable to contribute code ever, because of a post you made 7 years ago on an unrelated mailing list.
[10:11] <vinnix> not sure exactly what is the temperature of each one, but this conversation started because tommy said "Good morning".
[10:12] <immibis> If that happened, that would be the *maintainer* being a dick
[10:12] <immibis> no, it started from getrat calling it a Code of Cancer
[10:13] <immibis> (I hope if a maintainer did that, you can appeal up the tree, so it probably isn't as bad as the CoC-haters think)
[10:13] <fetzenfisch> [09:41:48] <getrat> I simply don't want anything to do with software that is under the control of dangerously mentally ill people. It's really a simple matter of basic security considerations. <-- this was the start
[10:13] <vinnix> if that's his opinion is his problem.
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[10:13] <fetzenfisch> sure
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[10:14] <Ben64> he'll enjoy templeos
[10:14] <Fulgen> :D
[10:15] <immibis> IMO getrat is clearly being dickish by assuming that the CoC is pure evil. Could be that he's read one side's propaganda and not the other, or that he hasn't bothered to really think anything through.
[10:15] <vinnix> :)
[10:16] <Ben64> or he really likes harassing people
[10:16] <immibis> however, it is just as bad to assume that the CoC is pure good. That sort of naivety gets you trampled all over by bad people.
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[10:16] <Ben64> of course it's bad to assume, that's why i read it and determined it to be good
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[10:17] <immibis> and personally I am skeptical of this sort of thing because I know the other incidents caused by the same mindset that pushes for CoCs.
[10:18] <immibis> we won't know what the enforcement is like until there's a major incident involving this one.
[10:18] <immibis> maybe all the enforcers are sensible people, or maybe they all have the donglegate mindset.
[10:18] <Ben64> they're all part of the technical advisory board
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[10:19] <immibis> (and yeah the donglegate people shouldn't have been making sexual jokes, but they did not deserve the amount of punishment they got either)
[10:20] <immibis> (like I got a bit uncomfortable with some people talking sexually at kiwicon and I'm not even a woman. But then again I think that's my fault for being offended more than theirs for what they were saying, in that case)
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[10:23] <immibis> I just looked up donglegate and apparently Adria herself was making comments about that level of sexuality. So I assume it's normal, both me and her should suck it up and accept it. Anyway that's a tangent
[10:27] <immibis> and Ted's problem was getting far too involved and heated in a discussion exactly like this one, so I should probably stop talking
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[10:42] <Rangar> Anyone here use alternative OS's to Raspbian on their Pi's?, asking out of curiosity as to how they find it and if they do any actual mechatronics or interesting projects with it
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[10:45] <immibis> also having read the thread now, Ted was in the wrong in that thread, but not wrong enough to warrant any possibility of being fired from the kernel project
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[10:46] <Fulgen> Rangar: Arch Linux ARM here
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> Rangar, there are a few alternatives to Raspbian - in the Linux camp there is Arch, debian, devuan, gentoo, ubuntu, and a few others. outside linux there is freebsd (and possibly other bsd's), and RISCOS. RISCOS is the most alternative you'll find.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> or you use your Pi to emulate another system - e.g. the PDP-8, then you can run OS/8 on it and welcome your 12-bit, 32KW overlords.
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[11:23] <Rangar> I found RiscOS programming information not that easily accessible when I looked ai it the other night
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> I've not used it for over 30 years.
[11:27] <Rangar> I was an Atari ST lad back then
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> actually maybe 25. I don't think it's actually that old.
[11:27] <Rangar> Mmm, I think I was on OS/2 then
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> it has a small number of dedicated followers.
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[11:28] <Rangar> yea when I did compSci there was a guy who swore buy Acorn comps with their riscos
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> I used it on an Arciemedes until I bough a PC that could run Linux. I don't think I turned it back on after that, except, maybe to play lemmings.
[11:29] <Rangar> i didnt really do that whole lemming fad
[11:29] <Rangar> just drove me nutty haha
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> eeeerrkkkk. "Let's Go!"
[11:34] <Rangar> lemmings oh no more lemmings christmas lemming... it was almost as bad as the sims for market saturation
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install pingus
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> and that's 10 minutes of my life I won't get back.
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[12:17] <friendofafriend> Rangar: Maybe you'd be interested in running Plan9 on your Raspberry Pi? https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/a-pi-powered-plan-9-cluster
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[12:18] <Rangar> Ooooo interesting!!!
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> Hm. plan9. another OS with a small number of dedicated followers.
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[14:56] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: small number of actual users, but a significant influence on other operating systems
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[14:57] <BCMM> as a research OS it's been rather successful
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[15:04] <Fulgen> what byte order does RISC OS use?
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, there are many OSs that just never made it... Edinburgh uni (& Manchester) developed something called EMAS which ran on mainframes of the day (an da spin-off called Mouses). these were infinitely better than anything the computer makers wrote, but sadly just faded out.
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[15:42] <Khaytsus> I look forward to the day when we can say Windows users are a nitch group of dedicated users
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> I would LOL at that, however I find the reality is somewhat saddening.
[15:49] <hodapp> niche*
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> neesh
[15:51] <hodapp> the papers on Plan 9 certainly are interesting to read but I sort of gave up on using it
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot of stuff that's techncally/academically very clever, but trying to engage peoples enthusiasm is the hard part. I blame Marketing.
[15:53] <hodapp> even without marketing, network effects and the self-sustaining effects of popularity are pretty tough to ignore
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> it's (always) VHS vs Betamax, all over again.
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[16:10] <Khaytsus> I know of people that play with all sorts of niche or historical OSes for fun. But a few that do it as if it's meaningful things they're doing.
[16:11] <Khaytsus> I told one of them him doing work on that OS was a bit like having a pile of sand that you shovel from your right to the left. Then left to right.
[16:11] <Khaytsus> You did a lot of work, it was hard, you sweated, and it took time. But the end result is the same as you started.
[16:11] <Khaytsus> I forget which OS it was... but it was some long dead niche thing he was convinced was going to come back.
[16:12] <Khaytsus> hobby... good... Dillusion? Bad.
[16:12] <hodapp> maybe you should show him that scene in Cool Hand Luke to make the point a little more clearly
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[16:18] <Khaytsus> It'd been a long time since I watched Cool Hand Luke
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> I have never watched Cool Hand Luke.
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[16:51] <stiv> iconic American "man against the system" movie. also, Paul Newman
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> well. maybe one day.
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[18:17] <DaCoolCat> :)
[18:18] <DaCoolCat> Bye
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[18:58] <GeekNerd> buttsex
[18:58] <tommy``> why?
[18:58] <GeekNerd> poop
[18:58] <tommy``> i think you're out of contest dude
[18:58] <GeekNerd> scrotum
[18:59] <friendofafriend> Did you mean to put this in ##networking, GeekNerd?
[18:59] <GeekNerd> no
[19:00] <friendofafriend> I thought we had an agreement.
[19:00] <GeekNerd> who even are you?
[19:01] <GeekNerd> i have no recollection of ever speaking to you. are you by any chance high on bath salts?
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[19:02] <Gathis> hrm, updated my pi, now it's asking for username/password again, i know what it is, just bothersome
[19:03] <tommy``> pi - raspberry?
[19:03] <Gathis> yes
[19:03] <tommy``> ;)
[19:04] <Gathis> maybe makes it hackable, but there's no open ports to it :)
[19:05] <tommy``> eheh
[19:05] <Gathis> bath salts, slab etc. reminds me of discworld trolls :)
[19:11] <cybr1d> HeathHayle: and i thought you'd stick around this time
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[19:12] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: someone deoped me!
[19:12] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: was it you?
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[19:13] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: that that as a yes! LOL,
[19:13] <cybr1d> Yup. You still don't need ops. Not even spockers or I am opped.
[19:13] <cybr1d> You can either join us or not.
[19:14] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: I HAVE TOLD YOU I AM ONLY STAYING IN THE ROOM IF I HAVE OPS OK!
[19:14] <cybr1d> Not OK.
[19:15] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: what?
[19:15] <cybr1d> That is not OK.
[19:15] <cybr1d> I've told you you only get ops out of the room. You have ops right now.
[19:15] <cybr1d> Come back and you lose it.
[19:15] <cybr1d> You have a choice.
[19:15] <cybr1d> Hang out or be an op.
[19:16] <cybr1d> cant have it both ways
[19:16] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: fine ops forever!
[19:16] <cybr1d> Lol why? Why does it mean so much to you?
[19:17] <phinxy> only suckas have op
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> you folks sure you mean to be in #raspberrypi for this?
[19:17] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: because it does and I can also kick people when they swear at me or say sex stuff to me
[19:17] <cybr1d> Sorry, this is just another channel I know he's in. I'll stop spamming raspi :P
[19:17] <HeathHayle> gordonDrogon: sorry he should be saying this in a pm
[19:18] <HeathHayle> cybr1d: you know you can send pm right lol
[19:18] <cybr1d> and you can join ##jailbreak again.
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[19:18] <HeathHayle> sorry about that guys!
[19:19] * stiv starts looking for the IGNORE button
[19:19] <HeathHayle> stiv: hes left now lol lets talk pi lol
[19:20] <HeathHayle> stiv: why he dididn't say that in a pm I will never know lol
[19:21] <HeathHayle> stiv why he didn't say that in a pm I will never know lol
[19:21] <raidghost> stiv: The IGNORE button is CLOSED for tonight :P
[19:21] <HeathHayle> raidghost: lol
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[20:46] <nanodrone> i'm ssh'ing into my rpi via its ethernet, what happens if i turn its wifi on? will i get disconnected from the ethernet ssh?
[20:47] <Syliss> no
[20:48] <Syliss> as the wifi and eth get different ip addresses
[20:48] <nanodrone> wont the rpi get confused?
[20:48] <Syliss> no, its linux, its not windows
[20:48] <nanodrone> like how does it understand which "internet" to use?
[20:49] <Syliss> that part doesnt matter if you are just ssh'ing into it
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> if you're on the same LAN you'll probably be ok - the default route might well cause asymetric routing ie. packets in via wi-fi and out via ethernet (or vice versa), but that's usually not a real issue on a LAN.
[20:49] <nanodrone> so you are imply that it can run ssh on two internet connections or something?
[20:49] <Syliss> you are using internet connect terminology wrong
[20:49] <nanodrone> the root prob that im dealing with right now is that the ethernet disconnects on both reboots
[20:50] <nanodrone> Syliss, i'm sorry i'm a noob
[20:50] <nanodrone> i dont have physical access to the rpi all the time.
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[20:50] <Syliss> eth0 and wan0 should both have ip addresses when the wifi connects to router
[20:51] <Syliss> does the ip address change? did you set a static ip?
[20:51] <Syliss> of course the eth port disconnects on reboot
[20:51] <nanodrone> i set a static ip inside the router, i config'd the eth0's mac address -> 192.168.10.3
[20:51] <nanodrone> i just config'd the wifi's mac addr to -> 192.168.10.6
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[20:52] <nanodrone> is there a fix for the ethernet prob im having?
[20:53] <nanodrone> i didn't know the eth port disconnects on reboots, does it get reconnected automatically on boot?
[20:53] <nanodrone> i have to unplug the rpi's power and replug it to make it work again
[20:53] <Lartza> Stretch? Did you somehow mess up dhcpcd?
[20:54] <nanodrone> i haven't even touched the dhcpcd
[20:54] <nanodrone> how do i check if it's stretch?
[20:54] <Lartza> Hmm actually it doesn't actually handle disconnections at all
[20:55] <Lartza> If you imaged the card in the last year it should be
[20:55] <Lartza> I guess what you want is to switch from dhcpcd to a full network manager
[20:55] <nanodrone> i imaged it in the last month :p
[20:55] <nanodrone> oh...
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[20:55] <nanodrone> what net man should i get
[20:56] <nanodrone> i tried writing a network manager myself but i dont have physical access to the dev so testing it is a real PITA
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[20:56] <nanodrone> is there one that "just works outta the box"
[20:56] <Lartza> Multiple
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[20:57] <Lartza> connman, networkmanager, systemd-networkd, wicd
[20:57] <nanodrone> which one would you suggest
[20:57] <nanodrone> systemd-networkd, isn't that already installed?
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[20:58] <Lartza> I'm actually surprised it doesn't work with dhcpcd
[20:58] <Lartza> It comes with systemd so yeah
[20:58] <nanodrone> networkd is inactive, i just checked
[20:59] <Lartza> Yes, because dhcpcd is used
[20:59] <nanodrone> hey! i have wicd installed already, should i uninstall it?
[20:59] <nanodrone> could it have messed up dhcpcd?
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[21:00] <Encrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk
[21:01] <Encrypt> Woops
[21:01] <Encrypt> Wrong channel
[21:01] <Lartza> If it's not enabled, no
[21:01] <nanodrone> it's running
[21:01] <nanodrone> active
[21:01] <nanodrone> should i disable it and switch to connman or networkd?
[21:02] <nanodrone> also, today i discovered the "green" router thingy that turns off the ethernet automatically when it's not in use, i disabled that completely
[21:02] <nanodrone> because sometimes the router won't let me ssh into the rpi even if there was no power cycle
[21:03] <Lartza> I wonder why it's enabled then...
[21:03] <Lartza> I don't unfortunately know a lot about Raspbian or Debian
[21:03] <nanodrone> i had installed it to turn the wifi on off back when i didn't know about rfkill lol
[21:04] <nanodrone> and raspi-config lets you config the wifi anyway
[21:04] <Lartza> Well that definitely does interfere with dhcpcd then
[21:05] <nanodrone> :(
[21:05] <nanodrone> im gonna uninstall it
[21:05] <nanodrone> remove or disable?
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[21:06] <Lartza> Either way, or you could just use it instead of dhcpcd
[21:06] <Lartza> *Either works
[21:07] <nanodrone> but isn't dhcpcd better since it's the default? maybe the rpi has some weird config for it
[21:07] <nanodrone> deb/raspbian intro'd "predictable network names" so that messes some stuff up
[21:07] <nanodrone> so there's no eth0, there's enxfjairj03ek
[21:07] <Lartza> dhcpcd isn't full network manager, that's why I guess it doesn't work when the ethernet disconnecting
[21:07] <Lartza> I thought they disabled that
[21:08] <Lartza> systemd/udev made that default but raspbian seemed to still have eth0 and wlan0
[21:08] <nanodrone> how do i configure wicd then?
[21:09] <nanodrone> for the ethernet?
[21:09] <nanodrone> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=72142
[21:09] <Lartza> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wicd#Getting_started
[21:10] <nanodrone> haha! archlinux ftw
[21:10] <Lartza> It has a curses interface but, I mean you are going to lose internet connectivity while you configure it probably?
[21:10] <nanodrone> i always get that in my search results on google
[21:10] <nanodrone> oh man if i lose internet conn, i'll have to wait a day to get it reboot'd :(
[21:10] <Lartza> Or I guess you could always just use another network manager, I've never used wicd personally
[21:10] <nanodrone> yeah i dont wanna use wicd
[21:10] <nanodrone> i'll use whatever you suggest
[21:11] <nanodrone> what do you use?
[21:11] <ali1234> shiftplusone: tvheadend seems to have a lot of dependencies... does it really need x11?
[21:11] <Lartza> Windows ;)
[21:11] <nanodrone> Win 10?
[21:11] <Lartza> Yeah
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[21:11] <nanodrone> idgi :|
[21:13] <Lartza> I don't have a linux system atm really :P My dedicated server and rpi server both run Arch and use systemd-networkd at the moment
[21:14] <nanodrone> i think i'll def have to do this on-site
[21:14] <Lartza> That would be safest at least
[21:14] <nanodrone> Lartza, well then thanks for helping me WindowsLover
[21:15] <Lartza> I've used all of netctl(not available on raspbian), systemd-networkd and networkmanager in the past, networkmanager mostly because it works with GNOME
[21:15] <nanodrone> that sounded mean, i mean thanks for helping me even tho you're not on linux
[21:15] <Lartza> No offense taken if you were mean :P I'd love to use Linux but my poison is video games
[21:15] <Lartza> *even if
[21:16] <nanodrone> Oh Lartza ... :(
[21:16] <nanodrone> poison indeed.
[21:16] <nanodrone> thank god i'm over it, but i'm tempted to go back to vid games every once in a while (kinda)
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[21:17] <Lartza> I mean it's not like they are bad for you (unless they are)
[21:18] <nanodrone> they are bad for me.
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[21:19] <nanodrone> i'm an addict when it comes to ra2
[21:20] <nanodrone> i'm gonna study up on 'man wicd'
[21:21] <Lartza> If you don't want to use it like you said, study systemd-networkd or networkmanager :P
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[21:22] <nanodrone> i'll study them all
[21:23] <nanodrone> i only dissed it because it's not the default on rpi
[21:23] <Lartza> I don't think it's the default on any distro necessarily :P
[21:25] <nanodrone> yeah i found it via apt search
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[22:19] <onca> is 40.7C hot for a raspberrypi?
[22:20] <Habbie> no
[22:20] <nils_2> currently my raspberry pi3 : Temp: 53.7 °C
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> 80�C is hot for a Pi. Anything less is just fine.
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[22:25] <CyberManifest> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/9y9m41/q_where_can_i_buy_a_525_volt_35_amp_micro_usb/
[22:26] <Encrypt> 5.25V?
[22:28] <CyberManifest> Yes
[22:28] <CyberManifest> Encrypt: check the last link at the very bottom of that post and you'll see one
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[22:35] <shauno> droping the decimals out of the url makes that read rather terrifying
[22:37] <CyberManifest> lol
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[22:38] <stiv> terrifying? some would call that very 'empowering'
[22:38] <shauno> emmeltening
[22:38] <stiv> heh. that too. maybe more so
[22:38] <shauno> first one, then the other
[22:39] <stiv> i love the smell of burning chinesium in the morning
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> CyberManifest, you go to microcenter/adafruit/pimoroni/etc. and buy one of the foundation approved PSUs.
[22:43] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: that one in the ABOX kit was one; still not sufficient
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> then get a 2nd.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is input current limited to 2.5 amps anyway, and the usb is output limited to 1.2 amps. if you need to power more stuff, then it would be better to power it another way.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> but if you need one big psu - jsut get a PC/ATX PSU.... more than enough amps there.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> as for where you might buy one... knowing what country you're in helps...
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> but getting stuff to the antarctic is somewhat tricky at times.
[22:46] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: extra amps for periphrials and PSU isn't directly attached to pi with pi desktop HAT
[22:47] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: I'm in the USA
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[22:51] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/51615/raspberry-pi-power-limitations
[22:53] <CyberManifest> would switching max_usb_current=1 in /boot/config.txt make my situation worse or better ?
[22:54] <CyberManifest> since the external 4TB data might require more power
[22:54] <CyberManifest> but does switching it put a higher load ?
[22:54] <CyberManifest> or is it still within spec?
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> it won't help. 1.2 amps is the max. usb.
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> power an external drive with an external PSU.
[22:58] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: I know, but without the change the USB is only getting 600mA not enough for an external Hard Drive
[22:58] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: the external drive is USB only
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> I am under the impression that they did away with the 600/1200 switch in later Pi's, however give it a go, but really - use an external PSU.
[22:58] <CyberManifest> can't be powered with external PSU
[22:59] <CyberManifest> there's no port for external PSU, only a USB connector
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> What you can do is use a powered USB hub. If that hub has several 2 amp outlets then you plug one into the Pi's �USB powr input and one into the Pi's normal USB (it can't be back powered), and one into the drive.
[23:00] <CyberManifest> besides, even removing the external drive completely from the scenario I still get underpower warnings with just the HAT and Input Devices and attached to Ethernet
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> it means the voltage is dropping to below 4.6v.
[23:01] <stiv> if only there was, like, a 525 volt 35 amp super-pi. you could jumpstart your car with it!
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> what HAT and what PSU are you currently using?
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[23:01] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: I have no powered USB Hub and I don't wish to invest in one when ulitmately I would probably need to invest in better PSU for Pi due to SATA anyways... misappropriation of funds
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> If your PSU has a detachable USB lead then try another - sometimes they're ultra cheap there.
[23:02] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: Element14 Pi Desktop HAT with 5V 3A power supply from ABOX kit
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> no idea what that is, really. I'll have a look.
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[23:03] <CyberManifest> gordonDrogon: all is described and links at the bottom of: https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/9y9m41/q_where_can_i_buy_a_525_volt_35_amp_micro_usb/
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> sorry - but really, I'ev no interest in reddit. I'm looking at the elemont 14 site.
[23:04] <CyberManifest> Scroll to the bottom of the post ^
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> there is no bottom. my tracker/cookie/scam/spam/advert blockers give me a blank page.
[23:04] <CyberManifest> well obviously your lack of interest in reddit is causing you to be obtuse of the situation
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> ok, have a nice day. bye.
[23:05] <binaryhermit> CyberManifest: you mean "[removed]"
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[23:05] <binaryhermit> because that's what your post says
[23:05] <CyberManifest> probably
[23:05] <binaryhermit> probably been moderated
[23:05] <CyberManifest> removed?
[23:05] <binaryhermit> that's the content of your post
[23:07] <binaryhermit> full page screenshot https://i.imgur.com/gVrKXyn.png
[23:08] <CyberManifest> here ... this may be better for some: http://dpaste.com/3M48X6Y#wrap
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[23:10] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: here's what I'm seeing: https://imgur.com/6ksWRks
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[23:11] <shauno> I like din power supplies. they almost always have a little adjustment dial so you can overshoot 5v by a smidge. (but no micro-usb variations, because no-one in their right minds would spec that for power delivery)
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[23:13] <shauno> eg https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T6RBSO/
[23:16] <CyberManifest> the power supply that's comming is 5.25V 3A better than your din, and it's already micro USB, link at very bottom of post
[23:16] <CyberManifest> need a few more amps than Volt
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[23:20] <CyberManifest> due to USB spec it should go as high as 20V 5Amp 100 W
[23:21] <CyberManifest> Oh.. "Requires active Power Delivery 5-A cable"
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[23:23] <CyberManifest> now where do I find a microUSB one of those instead of USB C :/
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[23:26] <CyberManifest> This might be a better option: https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-TurboPower-USB-C-Type-Charger/dp/B01L1HK4NI :/
[23:26] <CyberManifest> oops wrong one
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[23:27] <CyberManifest> nevermind not for microUSB
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[23:32] <CyberManifest> Could I just use: https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Micro-Braided-Jacket/dp/B00UUBRX0Y with https://shop.essential.com/products/fast-charger ?
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[23:53] <egonsen> when i mount my usb stick to /media/usb, the file manager shows it as "/media/322 GB Volume". why?
[23:53] <egonsen> 32, not 322
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