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IRC Log for 2018-11-19

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[0:18] <friendofafriend> ali1234: What are you trying to do with tvheadend?
[0:18] <ali1234> just trying it out
[0:20] <ali1234> i could not get the web streaming to work reliably. it is a slideshow, probably because the encoding isn't fast enough
[0:20] <friendofafriend> You've got a tuner?
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[0:20] <ali1234> yes the new hat
[0:21] <friendofafriend> Try out mumudvb, it doesn't do transcoding, but it will take whatever is on your transponder and send it multicast to your LAN.
[0:21] <ali1234> how is it controlled?
[0:21] <ali1234> tvheadend can work that way too
[0:21] <ali1234> that works fine
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[0:22] <ali1234> oh, it's a fork of dvbstream? i've used that before
[0:22] <friendofafriend> There's a simple configuration file, it can autoconfigure lots of stuff. It'll do transcoding as well, but hardware encoding will only do one stream at a time.
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[0:23] <ali1234> but how do you retune it?
[0:23] <friendofafriend> You use something like w_scan to find the frequencies of transponders that you can receive, and then set freq= in the config file.
[0:24] <ali1234> what if i want to change frequency? i have to edit the configuration file and restart it like with dvbstream?
[0:24] <friendofafriend> Right, but I usually just make a service to do that with daemontools. Some people here recommend runit.
[0:25] <friendofafriend> Is it DVB-T or DVB-T2?
[0:25] <ali1234> both
[0:25] <friendofafriend> Oh, I mean the stations you're interested in.
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[0:25] <ali1234> yes
[0:26] <friendofafriend> I know USB DVB-T tuners are rather inexpensive, so just setting up multiple instances of mumudvb on your Raspi should work quite nicely.
[0:27] <friendofafriend> It even works on some OpenWRT routers I've tried it on.
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[0:29] <ali1234> i'm not sure a raspberry pi could handle that much network traffic, especially considering it all has to go over USB twice
[0:29] <ali1234> i don't particularly want it swamping my LAN either
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[0:29] <mfa298> tvheadend seemed to stream ok on my Pi3 (with libreelec and usb dongle) but I've usually used kodi as the receiever
[0:30] <mfa298> I'm not sure the web viewer has worked that well - even when I've used better hardware as the tvh server.
[0:30] <ali1234> kodi doesn't need transcoding
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[0:31] <mfa298> I think there's a bunch of hooks between tvh and ffmpeg is you want transcoding and what looks easy doesn't seem to be as easy as promised.
[0:32] <friendofafriend> It worked surprising well on my old Pi1B+ with an ATSC tuner. If you have a 10/100 network, it can utilitize a lot of bandwidth.
[0:32] <ali1234> did you try it with 6 tuners?
[0:32] <ali1234> wait, actually i would need 8
[0:33] <friendofafriend> Cool, lucky you! I tried two on the Pi1B+, and three worked fine on an ODROID-C1.
[0:33] <mfa298> as for mumudvb that seems more aimed at service providers where you have similar numbers of dongles to muxes and want to provide all tv streams to lots of users (I had some involvement in installing a box for that 10+ years ago for a residential network)
[0:34] <friendofafriend> The big draw is that you can transcode on beefy hardware elsewhere, maybe use NVENC or something.
[0:35] <ali1234> why?
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[0:35] <ali1234> why would you ever transcode digital TV? it is already compressed
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[0:37] <friendofafriend> In the states it's just MPEG-2, you can save a lot of disk space if you're time-shifting.
[0:38] <friendofafriend> Also, if you plan on streaming video across your WAN, it's nice to transcode it to a smaller file format. You'll save bandwidth on your LAN, likewise.
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[0:38] <PhotoJim> I got an HDHomeRun box. It transcodes for me, if I want it to.
[0:39] <PhotoJim> basically it's an ATSC receiver that streams the content to network devices.
[0:39] <friendofafriend> Does it stream the entire transponder?
[0:39] <mfa298> The only place I'd look at any sort of transcoding is for the TVH web streams as (i think) they want an HTML5 compatible stream.
[0:39] <ali1234> yes, that's probably why it doesn't work though
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[0:41] <friendofafriend> PhotoJim: Also, is that streaming unicast, or will it do multicast also?
[0:42] <PhotoJim> friendofafriend: you know, I'm not sure. I imagine it's unicast. but it has two tuners, and you can have as many of them on your LAN as you want.
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[0:43] <friendofafriend> But you can receive all the subchannels at the same time, for example, I can watch 3.1, while you watch 3.2 and 3.3?
[0:43] <PhotoJim> friendofafriend: I doubt that. an ATSC tuner can only receive one subchannel at a time.
[0:44] <friendofafriend> That's what makes something like mumudvb so neat. You're getting every subchannel at once.
[0:45] <PhotoJim> the advantage of this is that the content is accessible by any device on the network directly. so it has its own advantages.
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[0:45] <friendofafriend> It's sure nice to not have tuners hanging out of all your PCs and laptops, most certainly! :)
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[0:46] <PhotoJim> friendofafriend: the biggest advantage is not needing an antenna connection at the viewing site :) just somewhere on the LAN.
[0:46] <Error451> I have a novel idea : lets get a dedicated device for watching low bitrate streams
[0:47] <Error451> we'll call it a "TV"
[0:47] <PhotoJim> low bitrate? I think they call it a standard-definition television :)
[0:48] <PhotoJim> I use real TVs in my house. but I have a Plex server that PVRs OTA content, so that I have control over the content. pretty awesome quality anyway.
[0:48] <Error451> actually, the configuration doesn't matter much
[0:48] <Error451> I like my "moving wallpaper"
[0:48] <Error451> :)
[0:48] <ali1234> most OTA stuff is actually lower bandwidth than youtube these days
[0:49] <friendofafriend> Lower bandwidth? I think that's the other way around.
[0:49] <ali1234> dedicated hardware can't keep up
[0:49] <PhotoJim> Youtube's missing the 5.1 surround sound, though.
[0:49] <ali1234> oh yeah. often MUCH lower bandwidth
[0:49] <PhotoJim> 1080i is plenty good enough for me for video.
[0:49] <friendofafriend> The OTA stuff is *higher* bandwidth for the quality.
[0:49] <ali1234> in the UK they squeeze like 20 channels into 8mbit
[0:49] <Error451> PhotoJim : I have IPTV 1080p on 4k TV, Plex too ofc.
[0:49] <PhotoJim> and the next gen of ATSC in North America is coming. not sure what other parts of the world's systems are doing though.
[0:49] <mfa298> I think most people using TV dongles for TV (rather than as SDRs) are probably using them for recording TV shows (PVR/DVR) which is what TVH and HDHomeRun do well. mumudvb is solving a different problem.
[0:50] <PhotoJim> Error451: Just talking OTA. ATSC is still limited to 1080i for now, but I understand 2080p is coming.
[0:50] <PhotoJim> err 2160p
[0:50] <friendofafriend> Yeah, ATSC 3.0 will be here soon enough.
[0:50] <Error451> OTA ended here years ago
[0:50] <PhotoJim> although I live in a small market. our stations will upgrade kicking and screaming.
[0:50] <PhotoJim> OTA rocks.
[0:51] <PhotoJim> it's not your grandfather's ghost-imaged analog SDTV.
[0:51] <Error451> they are even zoning out analog radio
[0:51] <Error451> xD
[0:51] <friendofafriend> Yeah, I think analog radio will take longer to phase out in the US, but ATSC 3.0 is going after it.
[0:51] <PhotoJim> analog radio will not die here for decades, I suspect. where I live it's 100% analog :)
[0:52] <PhotoJim> (I'm in Canada ,not the US, but similar story.)
[0:52] <Error451> biggest ISP/TV providers stopping SD anything
[0:52] <friendofafriend> A big reason for the switch is that ATSC 3.0 supports mobile use, and they're hot to push audio at you.
[0:53] <Error451> biggest TV provider going full digital within 2 yrs
[0:54] <friendofafriend> The danger of ATSC 3.0 is that broadcasters will be free to move to a pay model for content.
[0:54] <PhotoJim> we have one IPTV provider here, plus one cable company. the cable company still has a couple of dozen SD analog stations, but it's just a matter of time I imagine. it has a bunch of standard-def digital channels too but once it upgrades the bandwidth, those could disappear. cable boxes can downconvert to 480i.
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[0:54] <PhotoJim> I'm not sure what the IPTV provider does. I think it still has both. no real reason to discontinue SDTV when it just streams what you're asking for.
[0:54] <friendofafriend> PhotoJim: Is that Rogers?
[0:55] <PhotoJim> friendofafriend: no, Saskatchewan. Access Communications (cable) and SaskTel (IPTV).
[0:55] <PhotoJim> Rogers can barely spell "Saskatchewan".
[0:55] <friendofafriend> Ah. There was a fellow on Rogers showing me NTSC captures of the Aquarium Channel, of all the strange things.
[0:55] <PhotoJim> heh
[0:56] <PhotoJim> I should scan again and see what QAM stations are unencrypted on my cable line.
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[0:56] <friendofafriend> ClearQAM is gone from my provider, those monsters. I miss C-SPAN.
[0:56] <friendofafriend> Not to mention the farm report.
[0:57] <PhotoJim> heh. our provincial legislature and Parliamentary channels are still on analog.
[0:58] <friendofafriend> Count yourself lucky. The only ClearQAM transponder on my cable provider was carrying the Home Shopping Network, too. They don't even carry local broadcasters in the clear, anymore.
[0:58] <PhotoJim> ours never did.
[0:58] <PhotoJim> except in analog.
[0:58] <PhotoJim> I think anything OTA HD should be unencrypted on HD digital cable.
[0:58] <PhotoJim> but they disagree.
[0:58] <PhotoJim> so I put an antenna in the attic :)
[0:59] <friendofafriend> Well, they have a bandwidth, too. That's why a lot of OTA gets transcoded to 720p.
[0:59] <Error451> IPTV > *
[1:00] <friendofafriend> Yeah, but there's legacy.
[1:00] <PhotoJim> That might depend on your IPTV provider. I like unencrypted OTA ATSC.
[1:00] <Error451> 1080p @ 50 : 13 Mbit
[1:00] <friendofafriend> Yeah, that's the same as OTA ATSC.
[1:00] <PhotoJim> and if I get IPTV, I have to switch my Internet too and that provider doesn't provide dumb modems like my cable company does. I want to have my own router. and I don't want double NAT.
[1:00] <PhotoJim> but that's probably unique to my provider.
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[1:01] <friendofafriend> PhotoJim: I'd inquire if they'll authorize your purchased DOCSIS 3.x modem.
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[1:03] <friendofafriend> It would be nice if there was a broadcaster using ATSC for just music and talk.
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[1:03] <PhotoJim> friendofafriend: my cable company is the only provider that uses DOCSIS modems, and they provide one for me (and gave me a dumb one since I requested). the IPTV provider here uses fibre for its Internet to the home, so no DOCSIS.
[1:04] <PhotoJim> friendofafriend: copper is DSL. not sure what the box is called when one has fibre.
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[1:04] <Error451> I have FTTH
[1:04] <Error451> \o/
[1:04] <Error451> 2ms baby
[1:05] <Error451> costs me an arm and a leg , tru
[1:05] <friendofafriend> I've got fiber here also, the modem/router will just let me bridge.
[1:05] <PhotoJim> I'm in Saskatchewan. I don't have 2 ms of latency to anywhere that's outside of my house :)
[1:05] <davanger> 100mb/100mb FTTH and IP phone 34� a month
[1:05] <Error451> I could DMZ my ISP router, but will need it for IPTV
[1:06] <Error451> Free Router Choice should come soon
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[1:09] <mfa298> ali1234: going back, it's ~8MHz per mux - that doesn't necessarily mean 8mbit/s (quick google suggests that gives a total of 30mbit/s per DVB-T mux and 50 for DVB-T2)
[1:10] <ali1234> they don't use anywhere near the full bandwidth
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[1:10] <ali1234> iirc they use 14mbit for T and 28mbit for T2
[1:10] <friendofafriend> With one HD and a couple SD streams, they're probably pretty close.
[1:10] <ali1234> the T2 mux has i think 7 HD channels
[1:10] <ali1234> "HD"
[1:12] <mfa298> there's a few T2 muxes down this way now, quite a few +1 channels seem to have moved to T2 (probably for the better compression and more bandwidth)
[1:12] <ali1234> the T muxes have between 13 and 45 services, but some of them are radio
[1:12] <friendofafriend> Wow, lucky you! Not a single provider in the US carries radio on their ATSC transponders.
[1:13] <ali1234> its not really radio, it's just mpeg program stream with no video substream
[1:13] <PhotoJim> Nor in Canada.
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[1:15] <mfa298> my local transmitter has 9 muxes, 3 of which are T2 (PSB2, COM5+6), 3 are T (PSB1+2, COM4) and one Q-PSK (local stuff)
[1:15] <friendofafriend> If we're still calling it "TV", nothing wrong with calling it "radio". It would be neat to see a pure data service, likewise.
[1:15] <ali1234> they have those too
[1:16] <ali1234> most of them are encrypted and hidden though
[1:16] <friendofafriend> That's very interesting! Who are the users? What does it carry?
[1:16] <ali1234> i think teletext holidays had an MHEG service for a while after analog teletext died
[1:17] <ali1234> basically just adverts for travel agents
[1:18] <ali1234> BBC channels have MHEG services as well
[1:18] <ali1234> it looks like this http://www.astra2sat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/BBC-RB3-e1490273385390.jpg
[1:19] <ali1234> the old analog service looked like this http://www.gosocial.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/3.-Teletext-holidays.jpg
[1:19] <friendofafriend> So that's what they spend the TV license money on!
[1:20] <ali1234> no, they spend that on the rights to broadcast sporting events
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[1:25] <friendofafriend> It would be neat to have something like the Othernet/Outernet but terrestrial.
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[6:28] <cdevidal> Help please? I can't seem to get an IP from my router's Wi-Fi going on an RPi Zero W and a new install of Raspbian Stretch Lite 2018-11-13. wpa_supplicant.conf is set up as it should be with the right username/password. It's not hardware as I have two different Pi Zero W and both exhibit the same behavior, and I can boot to an old install of Stretch Lite and Wi-Fi connects just fine. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
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[6:30] <cdevidal> Used raspi-config and setup networking there
[6:31] <cdevidal> My wpa_supplicant.conf, stripped SSID and passphrase: https://pastebin.com/P25AmhKK
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[6:33] <cdevidal> Hmm. sudo iwlist wlan0 scan shows buckets of networks, but not mine.
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[6:36] <cdevidal> Same network I'm using to type on this laptop to send you this message, so I know it's up.
[6:41] <cdevidal> Well that's a dead end. I booted the old install and while I don't see my network it does connect.
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[6:48] <cdevidal> Aha. Copied the wpa_supp from the working system and now it's good. I have no idea why raspi-config did not work as it should have.
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[6:50] <cdevidal> Working config: https://pastebin.com/JxHY6SPM
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[7:34] <Posterdati> hi
[7:35] <Posterdati> has the pi 3 b+ an RTC onboard?
[7:35] <ziddey> no
[7:35] <Posterdati> thanks
[7:36] <Posterdati> so the only way is to provide ntp and/or an external RTC (spi or i2c)
[7:36] <Posterdati> I have a site where network connectivity is not provided
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[7:40] <JK-47> pickup a gps expansion board for it.
[7:40] <JK-47> $40 stratum 1 ntp.
[7:42] <Posterdati> or a cheap rtc module...
[7:45] <CyberManifest> Posterdati: Pi Desktop Case and expansion board (HAT) has one built in from element14
[7:46] <CyberManifest> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-83477/l/desktop-computer-kit-with-expansion-board-that-can-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-real-desktop-pc
[7:46] <Posterdati> I have a sense hat and a pi 3 b+ from element 14
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[7:54] <eagle> ahoy
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[8:10] <getrat> I have a RPI bought in 2014. It's complete with a 16 GB memstick and ready to be plugged in. But the problem is what to put on that memstick to make it able to run my own PHP script and interact with a local PostgreSQL database. I don't want to become a babysitting slave to this device. I want it to maintain itself. No setup beyond editing a simple config file before putting the files on the memstick. Is this even POSSIBLE at all? Or am I forced
[8:10] <getrat> to deal with those ¤&¤/¤/&"¤&¤ system patches, software patches, logging in via SSH and changing a million files before it works? Because I want none of that.
[8:10] <getrat> *memcard
[8:10] <getrat> By "local PostgreSQL database", I mean that it runs on the device. Not on some other machine.
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[8:11] <getrat> Is it even powerful enough for this? Seems like it should be to me.
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[8:18] <Lartza> getrat, It's not powerful enough for a busy SQL server
[8:18] <Lartza> But "powerful enough" is highly subjective
[8:18] <Lartza> And it's certainly slightly better than MariaDB in memory usage, your I/O will still be bad though
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[8:25] <CyberManifest> how do I add an authorized user to pkexec ?
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[8:29] <eagle> is anyone running a tor hidden service v3 on a rpi3?
[8:29] <eagle> </metaquestion>
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[8:44] <ziddey> nice try, fed
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[9:03] <getrat> Lartza: Only going to be used for my own use. Doesn't need to be super fast. And definitely won't be serving a bunch of outside web visitors or anything.
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[9:04] <getrat> eagle: What does "v3" refer to in your question?
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[9:04] <getrat> But again, I feel as if it's impossible to even get anyone to read my question, let alone reply usefully to it. :/
[9:05] <getrat> I have no idea how people deal with these things. I suspect that they simply don't; they never patch or update anything once installed.
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[9:05] <getrat> And they assume that everything is sane and locked down by default, when the opposite seems to be a rule rather than the exception.
[9:06] <CyberManifest> yay! I did it!
[9:07] <Lartza> getrat, unattended-upgrades is a thing
[9:07] <eagle> getrat, https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HiddenServiceNames
[9:08] <getrat> Lartza: Why isn't it THE thing?
[9:09] <getrat> And that doesn't sound like it'd be automated enough.
[9:09] <getrat> If it isn't enabled by default and working rock-solidly.
[9:09] <Lartza> getrat, Because only a fraction of users want or need it?
[9:09] <Lartza> It works just fine, it's not enabled by default
[9:09] <getrat> I remember countless times when I was stuck working a whole night to trouble-shoot the errors that were created from a some new FreeBSD system patch. I hated every second of it.
[9:10] <Lartza> You're never going to get a server tailored for you that you don't need to configure NOR reconfigure ever...
[9:10] <getrat> Lartza: Are you fucking with me now?
[9:10] <getrat> "only a fraction of users want or need it"
[9:10] <Lartza> You are going to get a setup and forget server, with setup
[9:10] <Lartza> getrat, Language, and no
[9:10] <Lartza> ?
[9:10] <getrat> Are you suggesting that the vast majority of people WANT to babysit machines?
[9:11] <getrat> Why would anyone want to manually labor constantly to deal with patches and updates?
[9:11] <getrat> Unless it's a pure "job security" thing
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[9:11] <Lartza> Stability, knowing what is going on with their server
[9:11] <getrat> Stability?
[9:11] <Lartza> Yes?
[9:12] <getrat> That suggests that these patches/updates are not stable and tested.
[9:12] <getrat> Or that the mechanism for applying them is flawed.
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[9:12] <getrat> Which certainly seems to be the case for FreeBSD, which is why I stopped using it.
[9:12] <Lartza> Stability means several things
[9:12] <getrat> (And only after stopping to use it did they do the CoC thing.)
[9:13] <Lartza> On Debian, both kinds of stability allow for unattended-upgrades to work just fine afaik, I've never used it
[9:14] <Lartza> And of course there are different security risks from installing upgrades automatically to not installing them at all
[9:15] <Lartza> You can configure unattended-upgrades to apply security updates only
[9:15] <Lartza> afaik
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[10:01] <getrat> "I've never used it"
[10:01] <getrat> ............
[10:01] <getrat> What the hell? You just state something like that with no further comment, as if it makes sense.
[10:06] <Lartza> getrat, Because "just fine" is based on what I've read not what I've experienced?
[10:06] <Lartza> Calm down
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[10:39] <anzipex> What is the best way to install Dropbox on pi?
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[10:41] <Lartza> anzipex, There might not be a way to get syncing on a Pi, dropbox_uploader seems to exist though
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> dropbox seems to be a bit weird under Linux right now - seems like they are cutting back on what they support - last I read it was x86 and ext4 only.
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> and who knows how-long the command-line interface will last - until they change the protocol - again.
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> someone need to re-invent nfs with a local cache.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> (and security)
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[10:48] <BurtyB> hmm samba? ;)
[10:49] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I'm not sure there ever has been support for anything but x86 and x86_64 but indeed now they only support ext4 because of "extended attributes support" which is a total lie and there's no reason to not support btrfs or encryption over ext4
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> I have run samba on a server remote for a groups of users in the past. it worked ok - with the usual latency limitations of the protocol. firewalled to ip addres for some additional fun.
[10:50] <Lartza> Thankfully I've migrated to Nextcloud a long time ago, since Dropbox has access to all your data too
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, I've only used dropbox once for one particular project and never touched it since. I'm not a fan.
[10:50] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, yeah it's not great that's for sure but iirc you can cache it locally (under linux)
[10:50] <Lartza> And since they started pushing login when you share a file
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> BurtyB, this was for a bunch of win users and was some time back, it worked for them for that project though.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> everyone wants to own everyone else...
[10:51] <anzipex> gordonDrogon, so, what alternative software should I use for arm?
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> anzipex, I don't have a solution, sorry. However, FTP still works.
[10:52] <Lartza> To be honest, cloud storage support on Linux sucks overall. It's not just DropBox
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> if it's just for a small number of users, then you can use scp, rsync , ftp - the old unix stuff, but imlpementing a transparent networked filesystem - the main issue is security for nfs/sama ...
[10:53] <Lartza> anzipex, rclone seems to support dropbox
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[11:14] <eagle> hi, I was trying to configure a tor hidden service v3 on an rpi3 running an armv7h arch linux on arm image...
[11:14] <eagle> v2 works flawlessly, v3 doesn't work at all..
[11:14] <eagle> was anyone able to get a hidden service v3 to work?
[11:15] <eagle> I've tried the same v3 configuration on a x86_64 host, and there it is working
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[11:55] <drzacek> Hello there
[11:56] <drzacek> https://www.mydealz.de/deals/black-week-bei-reichelt-zb-banana-pi-m2-berry-cortex-a7-1200-mhz-1gb-ram-gigabit-lan-wlan-bluetooth-sata-4x-usb-hdmi-microsd-1267523 isit any good?
[11:56] <drzacek> looks comparable to rpi3 and has currently neat price
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[12:02] <mfa298> drzacek: hardware might be comparable (I don't know the AW V40) but support probably won't be anywhere near as good so you might have something more like a paperweight than actually useful.
[12:08] <drzacek> mfa298, maybe
[12:08] <drzacek> didn't say it was better
[12:08] <drzacek> I would totally buy another rpi3 if it was for 18eur
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[12:19] <friendofafriend> drzacek: That board caught a scathing review at the Armbian forums. https://forum.armbian.com/topic/4864-banana-pi-m2-berry/
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[12:24] <drzacek> friendofafriend, gee, that's sounds bad
[12:24] <drzacek> beside the hdd part
[12:25] <drzacek> it is clear to me that no usb-powered device could power any mechanical drive on it's own
[12:25] <drzacek> so either some hack on cable to provide external power to the disk or not use the disk
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[12:26] <drzacek> the gigabit ethernet still sounds better than the new rpi3 gigabit ethernet with 300mbit
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[12:27] <mfa298> *if* it works
[12:28] <mfa298> the matrix for the R40 which is supposedly compatible looks rather red http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix
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[12:28] <mfa298> ethernet is one of the few green blocks
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[12:30] <drzacek> okaaay
[12:30] <drzacek> maybe it isn't that great deal after all
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[12:36] <friendofafriend> (And there is a #linux-sunxi channel here at Freenode. They might have some advice.)
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[12:43] <tommy``> hye good day people!
[12:45] <friendofafriend> Howdy! ;)
[12:45] <tommy``> check link i pasted you
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[13:31] <anzipex> Lartza, thanks for the info about rclone
[13:31] <anzipex> That's what i needed
[13:31] <Zajt> If I am coding streaming in python on a Raspberry Pi, how can I make the it sleep 90-99% of time to save battery?
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[13:37] <pwillard> https://spellfoundry.com/2016/05/21/introducing-sleepy-pi-2/
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[13:39] <Zajt> pwillard: Then you need to buy more stuff :P
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[13:46] <CyberManifest> I tried to install XFCE4 on my raspberry pi but elements of the GUI seem to be missing or out of place: https://imgur.com/eflKXzX (Notice the Menu Bar in XFCE Terminal) https://imgur.com/Y3IeVpn How can I fix this? what package may I be missing?
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[13:48] <friendofafriend> There's something out of place?
[13:48] <jem> Hi everyone
[13:48] <friendofafriend> Hello jem.
[13:48] <jem> Hello, friendofafriend
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[13:49] <jem> I'm stuck trying to update irssi in my Rasp Pi
[13:49] <jem> Any help?
[13:49] <friendofafriend> Update how?
[13:49] <jem> Ok, here's what I have done
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[13:51] <jem> The original installation was wheezy, and it said irssi was up to date at 0.8
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[13:51] <jem> So I changed in /etc/apt/sources.list wheezy to stretch
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[13:52] <jem> But then it complained about dependencies so I did apt-get upgrade
[13:52] <raidghost> Raspberry Pi as DNS server, Okey hardware?
[13:52] <friendofafriend> raidghost: More than enough.
[13:53] <jem> And again complained, so I did a full apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:53] <Lartza> jem, You can't upgrade your system from wheezy to stretch
[13:53] <Lartza> Without going to jessie first
[13:53] <jem> Ah
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[13:53] <jem> Didn't know that
[13:53] <Lartza> At least, usually it doesn't work flawlessly
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[13:54] <jem> Indeed, it stuck in an infinite loop and stopped
[13:54] <Lartza> And a lot has changed actually, so you should consider just getting the latest image
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[13:54] <Lartza> Also, you are supposed to check a lot of things before just blindly running upgrade and dist-upgrade :S
[13:55] <jem> Well, I haven't touched the Rasp a lot, just a few backup files, no config to be saved
[13:55] <jem> So I didn't mind to do it blindly
[13:55] <jem> In fact the only problem was updating irssi because it refuses now non-secure connections
[13:55] <Lartza> It shows, even Debian abandoned wheezy in May ;)
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[13:56] <Lartza> Raspbian hasn't had security updates for even longer than that probably
[13:56] <pwillard> Might be easier to just start with a 'latest release' image
[13:56] <Fulgen> Lartza: huh, upgrade and dist-upgrade can break stuff?
[13:56] <Lartza> Fulgen, Of course, and they were skipping a major Debian release
[13:56] <Fulgen> ô.O
[13:57] <jem> Ok then
[13:57] <jem> So if it's best to start with an image, I'll do that
[13:57] <Lartza> I'd say so too
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[13:58] <Lartza> The init system changed to systemd etc on jessie, so even upgrading from that may be out of the question
[13:58] <jem> So, can you point me to the right page/link?
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[13:58] <Lartza> And if it's easy to migrate your changes to a new stretch install, it's definitely easier
[13:58] <jem> So I save some time :)
[13:59] <Lartza> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[13:59] <jem> Yes, I think so
[13:59] <jem> Ok
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[14:05] <jem> I guess "desktop" is the graphic/X environment, am I right
[14:05] <jem> ?
[14:08] <jem> Hello?
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[14:11] <BurtyB> jem, yes
[14:11] <jem> Thanks, BurtyB
[14:11] <jem> And thank you everyone
[14:12] <BurtyB> (their recent blog post explains the differences between the images)
[14:12] <jem> Ok :)
[14:12] <raidghost> friendofafriend: then i guess i go for two of the Pi 3 B+ as DNS master and slave
[14:13] <jem> I'll stay connected but I'll be afk... will try the full install tomorrow and I'll ask if I get into trouble
[14:14] <jem> Thanks... and it's great to have a channel as active as this :)
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[14:24] <friendofafriend> raidghost: Excellent idea.
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[14:38] <auxin> I installed alpine linux on a 3B+ and have been very pleased with it's performance. I definitely want to continue using alpine but there is one issue that I can't seem to resolve. For one reason or another, cma=256M is a kernel parameter, that I can't seem to adjust. I've edited cmdline.txt, config.txt and usrcfg.txt to no avail. I feel I need to increase this variable and set gpu_mem higher, to stop
[14:38] <auxin> xorg from crashing after an hour or two of operation. I may have to reproduce the issue, to get the logs if necessary.
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[14:41] <odium> For all practical purposes, I don't need xorg for anything on that particular pi. I would however like it to work without freezing.
[14:42] <odium> also, if I kill xorg and restart it after it has frozen the display remains black with only an operational cursor.
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[15:41] <geosmin> i was succesfully communicating over serial on a raspberry pi 1 using arch, i can't seem to get data to or from the same serial connection on a raspberry pi 3 using alpine
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[15:42] <geosmin> IIRC the serial connection should be at /dev/ttyS0 on the 3, but it seems to be showing up on /dev/ttyAMA0
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[15:43] <mfa298> geosmin: you might need to configure the Pi3 to use the better uart for serial internally.
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[15:43] <geosmin> mfa298: the better uart? IIRC uart needs to be disabled
[15:43] <geosmin> and i'm seeing that ttyAMA0 is bluetooth
[15:43] <mfa298> the SoC has two uarts, on the Pi1/Pi2 the full uart is on the gpio and the mini uart isn't used. On the Pi3 they used the full uart for the BT and the mini uart is on the gpio (by default)
[15:44] <Fulgen> what's the mini uart even good for
[15:44] <Fulgen> variable baudrate isn't really that helpful
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[15:44] <mfa298> there are some DT Overlays to switch the uarts around (either disable the BT or switch the BT onto the mini uart)
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[15:46] <mfa298> alternatively you can fix the clock speed which allows the mini-uart to work properly although might have other side effects.
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[15:48] <geosmin> mfa298: can you point to any documentation? i'm not sure i can infer enough from that to make the changes required
[15:49] <geosmin> mfa298: this'll probably be redundant info but FWIW i can get a tty through serial just fine through ttyS0
[15:49] <BurtyB> geosmin, https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/uart.md
[15:49] <geosmin> but now i'm trying to send commands over serial to some hardware
[15:49] <geosmin> not sure why the former would work and not the latter
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[15:54] <mfa298> ttyS0 is the mini-uart and it's clock is linked to one of the other clocks which changes speed meaning when it's configured for a baud rate the actual baud you get out can vary.
[15:54] <mfa298> I think that's all detailed on the page BurtyB linked
[15:55] <mfa298> or read /boot/overlays/README (at least if your on raspbian)
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[16:42] <shiftplusone> ali1234: tvheadend questions might be best aimed at mpmc.
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[18:43] <wasutton3_mobile> how can I be certain that iptables is starting on boot on stretch lite?
[18:45] <xacktm> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units#checking-the-status-of-services
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[18:48] <wasutton3_mobile> ok. the question then is what is the name of the iptables service?
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[18:49] <mfa298> or issue something like `sudo iptables -nvL` and see if your rules are there
[18:50] <Lartza> iptables doesn't have a service
[18:51] <Lartza> Also, use nftables instead of iptables?
[18:51] <mfa298> if you used the proper way of loading iptables rules on boot you could check for the netfilter-persistent service
[18:51] <mfa298> but most people seem to do their own thing instead rather than using the standard service that's been there for ages
[18:54] <wasutton3_mobile> well i've followed the debian documentation by placing a file in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d
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[18:54] <wasutton3_mobile> and im using whatever came with stretch lite. not sure if its real iptables, or nftables
[18:55] <wasutton3_mobile> the eventual goal is to have any client connected to the pi's wifi interface to have any web request forwarded and answered by an onboard webserver
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[18:58] <mfa298> hmmm, reading https://wiki.debian.org/iptables just seems to be really confusing. I'd suggest installing the iptables-persistent package they mention and put the rules file in /etc/iptables/rules.v4 (you can dump the current rules with `iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4` as that page shows)
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[18:58] <mfa298> no need for anything in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d which (i think) might not always work depending on how the network is managed
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[19:24] <wasutton3_mobile> hmmm these iptables should have been loaded.
[19:24] <wasutton3_mobile> and they appear to be loaded
[19:24] <wasutton3_mobile> but its not redirecting my traffic
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[20:06] <tristero> wasutton3_mobile: if you run "iptables -nvL" you can see how many packets were handled by each rule
[20:07] <tristero> and you can add LOG targets to help debug
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[20:32] <Tenkawa> anyone got their 3 a+ yet? if sp.. what size heatsink do I need for it since it doesnt come with one
[20:33] <Tenkawa> I got mine this morning and noticed no heatsink
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[20:37] <BurtyB> Tenkawa, it's the same cpu as the 3b+ so any heatsink that fits that if you're using enough cpu to need it
[20:37] <Tenkawa> ahh cool
[20:37] <Tenkawa> thanks
[20:37] <Tenkawa> I'll go pick up one
[20:37] <Tenkawa> yay local microcenter
[20:37] <Tenkawa> if only now i had a case
[20:39] <Khaytsus> I wish I had a microcenter near me for those times when I need another pi :( Or random stuff.
[20:39] <Tenkawa> indeed heeh
[20:39] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[20:40] <Tenkawa> my toy store
[20:40] <Tenkawa> evil place though
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[20:40] <Tenkawa> never leave me in there by myself
[20:43] <friendofafriend> There's Raspberry Pi 3Bs at Target, and some neat (overpriced) electronics kits.
[20:43] <Tenkawa> target?
[20:43] <Tenkawa> wow
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[20:44] <friendofafriend> Yep, if you can't wait for delivery, you can probably get a Pi in your backyard. In the US, anyway.
[20:44] <friendofafriend> Still no 3B+ spotted there, but I've not visited since last month.
[20:45] <Tenkawa> heh I can add to my already collection of about probably a dozen zero's
[20:45] <Tenkawa> 2 3b+s
[20:45] <Tenkawa> and various others
[20:46] <Tenkawa> I have one of the zero cluster hats
[20:46] <Tenkawa> its pretty neat
[20:47] <Tenkawa> now to figure out the uart/serial gpio pins again to test this board
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[20:55] <Tenkawa> ok boot time
[20:55] <Tenkawa> test to see if it at least powrs up
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[20:58] <Tenkawa> yay
[20:58] <Tenkawa> it booted
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[21:02] <Tenkawa> just wanted to test it... about to shut it down so i dont overheat it
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[21:04] <gordonDrogon> why?
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> if it's the same metal lidded SoC as the 3b+ then...
[21:05] <Tenkawa> why what?
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> why shut it down.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> why wory about overheating?
[21:05] <Tenkawa> i dont have a heatsink on it
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> and?
[21:05] <Tenkawa> it didnt come with one
[21:05] <Khaytsus> None of my pi's have a heat sink
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> it will self-throttle, as all Pi's do.
[21:05] <Tenkawa> true
[21:05] <Khaytsus> All modern cpus will throttle
[21:05] <Tenkawa> good point
[21:06] <Khaytsus> Heat sink is nice to make them not throttle perhaps, if it's getting hot without one, but..
[21:06] <Tenkawa> I'm just paranoid because i did just have a board fry its voltage smd
[21:06] <Tenkawa> regulator
[21:06] <Tenkawa> not a pi mind you
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[21:08] <Tenkawa> wow this thing flies
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[21:08] <mfa298> for the SoC on the 3B+ (and I assume the 3A+) I thought part of the re-design was to use the copper layers in the board as the heatsink
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[21:09] <mfa298> I'm not sure how much a metal heatsink on the top really helps (or could it hinder)
[21:09] <Khaytsus> I've seen people using stick-on heat sinks. I guess they do something. Perhaps if you're throttling due to heat they improve that. and common sense says if something is throttling all the time it probably will fail sooner than one that runs cooler.
[21:11] <mfa298> the stick on heatsinks certainly could help on the original 3B, but I thought part of the redesign for the 3B+ was to flip the silicon over so the whole board (and the metal connectors) all effectively became a heatsink
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[21:11] <mfa298> some people just seem to like sticking heatsinks on things regardless of whether they're needed or would even help.
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[21:12] <Tenkawa> I'm going to keep an eye on vcgencmp for now
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[21:13] <Tenkawa> it seems to be staying stable
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[21:22] <Tenkawa> ok now I have everything setup
[21:22] <Tenkawa> this is nice
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[21:58] <onca> I just got a rtc module, but still waiting for the battery for it. I also have a 3.5" touchscreen I want to use. I am hoping to sandwich the rtc under the screen connector with the gpio pins. My problem is that I have two tiny 5v fans that are currently plugged into the gpio. Is there a chance there's another source for power for the teensy fans?
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[22:03] <stiv> you could buy them their own pi
[22:03] <onca> I considered doing that.
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[22:04] <onca> I have another pi that is a dns server as well.
[22:04] <stiv> or run them off a separate power source. those cheap phone chargers people insist on using with their pis might be good
[22:04] <onca> I was hoping to put the rtc on the main one.
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[22:08] <analogist> onca: can you add more stacking headers?
[22:08] <onca> I got the rtc for the purposed of avoiding any problems running a vpn intermittently, but I haven't seen any.
[22:08] <onca> I have two
[22:09] <analogist> onca: also, what power draw are the fans? I’d be wary of powering pi+screen+fans+whatever else on the same 5V rails
[22:09] <onca> the fans use the gpio 5v and grnd.
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[22:10] <analogist> onca: you can replace the headers in whatever rtc GPIO board with stacking ones
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[22:11] <onca> analogist, yah, it just has holes with two slightly offset, so I already stacked them together.
[22:12] <analogist> onca: so (if power consumption allows), stack the fans too on top?
[22:12] <onca> I would, but I put the lcd on the top.
[22:13] <onca> maybe the lcd screen is excessive
[22:14] <analogist> onca: if you’re looking for more 5V rails, you always have the USB lines
[22:14] <onca> I was considering that.
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[22:16] <onca> the lcd screen has some additional pins under it.
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[22:18] <onca> I don't have any solder.
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[22:20] <jancoow> Hi guys. Just installed raspAP. Is it possible on the pi to use it as a wifi repeateR?
[22:20] <jancoow> so both AP on wifi and receiving?
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[22:28] <Khaytsus> jancoow: With a second wifi adaptor, don't see why not
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[22:35] <jancoow> was trying with the same
[22:35] <jancoow> with second works fine
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[22:47] <BurtyB> jancoow, it should work on one but they both need to be on the same channel iirc
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[22:52] <g105b> I'm having trouble connecting to WiFi on a headless Pi. I have added the ssh file to the boot partition, and added wpa_supplicant.conf with the following (https://paste.sh/mNXx5Quq#cRjtVnHXfUXGszCLADAUoAsx) but the pi isn't connecting to the network. It is an open network (no password) named "60". Any ideas?
[22:53] <jancoow> BurtyB: cool let's try
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[23:09] <BurtyB> g105b, you probably want something like https://pastebin.com/HUfQJED0 at the top (replacing GB with your country 2 digit code)
[23:10] <g105b> BurtyB: I have done it before and this rings a bell, apart from the ctrl_interface line... what significance is netdev? is that a default group on raspbian?
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[23:13] <geosmin> is there a maximum cable length for serial connections?
[23:13] <BurtyB> g105b, the ctrl line is in there by default now and it needs a country line for it to work on the 3b+
[23:14] <Syliss> geosmin: 50ft
[23:14] <geosmin> Syliss: thanks
[23:14] <BurtyB> depends what you mean by serial
[23:15] <geosmin> rs232
[23:15] <Syliss> yes
[23:15] <geosmin> probably with a rs232-USB adapter on one end, if that matters
[23:16] <Syliss> usb cable max limit is 5 meters
[23:18] <g105b> BurtyB: Thanks! Worked a treat!
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[23:55] <Tenkawa> anyone have a problem with the serial console going awau after upgrading to the recent kernel versions?
[23:55] <Tenkawa> er away
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[23:56] <Tenkawa> experimemt time
[23:57] <Tenkawa> the console doesnt even output much less rooy not mount.. *doh*
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[23:57] <Tenkawa> doh i think what it is
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