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IRC Log for 2018-11-21

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[0:32] <analogist> morfin: not all armv7s are big.LITTLE, right?
[0:32] <analogist> morfin: a7 is probably LITTLE specific tuning
[0:32] <morfin> what do you mean?
[0:32] <morfin> LE and BE?
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[0:33] <morfin> most likely i use LE right now
[0:34] <morfin> as i remember ARM CPU changes mode via some register(?) on early boot stage hmmm
[0:34] <analogist> morfin: probably something related to https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU0NTc for tuning targets
[0:34] <analogist> morfin: IIRC, no first hand experience
[0:34] <morfin> ah
[0:35] <morfin> i see what's that
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[0:36] <analogist> I assume cortex-a7 implies the —march, but with more LITTLE core timings if applicable
[0:36] <analogist> tunings*
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[0:59] <JessicaRN> hey folks, trying to install the newest stretch lite headless. I put "ssh" and "wpa_supplicant.conf" on and made the proper edits. I also made sure that the country code was correct. But the pi never shows up on my router. ideas?
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[1:01] <friendofafriend> JessicaRN: Do you see activity lights?
[1:01] <JessicaRN> friendofafriend: on boot I see red and green. after a moment i only see red
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[1:02] <friendofafriend> What are you using for a power supply?
[1:03] <JessicaRN> a 2a wall wart
[1:04] <Khaytsus> faillllllll
[1:04] <Khaytsus> Random phone chargers will not do
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[1:04] <JessicaRN> Khaytsus: 2a is 2a, right?
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[1:05] <Khaytsus> No
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[1:05] <JessicaRN> explain
[1:06] <Khaytsus> Dirty output, variable output.... phones don't care. THey have a huge battery between the phone and the supply
[1:06] <Khaytsus> A pi has no filtering, no storage, etc
[1:06] <JessicaRN> this is a wall wart I've used on previous pi's w/o problem
[1:06] <Khaytsus> If you're having power issues, the first thing to try is getting a real PSU. They only cost $7
[1:08] <JessicaRN> Khaytsus: I don't believe I am having power issues. I take that wall wart and plug it into an idential pi and it comes up w/o issue
[1:09] <JessicaRN> I have half dozen of these all running octopi
[1:09] <friendofafriend> Neat, can you take the SD card from one that runs and place it in the Pi that doesn't?
[1:10] <JessicaRN> friendofafriend: I'll do that now
[1:10] <friendofafriend> Good luck to you.
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[1:14] <JessicaRN> friendofafriend: new rpi+ old sd+ same wallwart I've been using. It comes up w/o a hitch
[1:14] <friendofafriend> Hey! That's great news!
[1:14] <analogist> JessicaRN: if you’re running truly headless, and don’t have a FTDI or similar serial cable to examine the boot messages, one way to debug is to mount the linux partition on the SD card to examine /var/log/messages
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[1:15] <JessicaRN> analogist: *smiles* would be nice. Only have a w10 box where I'm at. My ubuntu is at the shop
[1:16] <analogist> JessicaRN: oh if you have two Pi’s, and one you can log into, two wires could the connect UART of the nonbooting one to the other to examine the serial console
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[1:17] <JessicaRN> analogist: question: does the MAC follow the SD card, or remain specific to the RPi board? It's the board, right?
[1:17] <friendofafriend> It is on the board.
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[1:17] <friendofafriend> You would have to change the hostname and any host-specific configuration you've made, but that's not hard with raspi-config.
[1:18] <JessicaRN> hmmm.... I was wondering if I was out of DHCP leases, but that doesn't make sense considering new board is working with old SD card
[1:18] <friendofafriend> I'm quite certain you'll see it has it's own DHCP lease.
[1:19] <friendofafriend> So, you could make an image of a card that works, flash it to the card that doesn't, and see if it's a problem of the software on the card or the hardware of the SD card.
[1:19] <JessicaRN> yeah, but if I'm only handing out 75 ips, and I have a 3 month lease, I could fill up the available IPs, right?
[1:20] <friendofafriend> I don't exactly follow. If you're handing out DHCP leases, it's up to you how they're handled.
[1:20] <analogist> JessicaRN: the MAC is flashed into the PHYS of the WiFi module
[1:21] <analogist> JessicaRN: it’s possible, certainly, if that’s a common number of clients of your network
[1:21] <analogist> JessicaRN: but IPs should be recycled nonetheless
[1:21] <JessicaRN> analogist: I have a private and a guest, and the guest gets a lot of .... guests
[1:23] <analogist> JessicaRN: if your win10 laptop has an eth or USB eth dongle, you can set up internet connection sharing through it, and connect the eth0 of the pi to it to log in
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[1:24] <JessicaRN> analogist: I'd need a crossover cable to connect directly to the pi, right?
[1:24] <analogist> or set up a WiFi sharing if your on-board WiFi supports it and have wpa_supplicant log into that AP instead
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[1:24] <analogist> JessicaRN: not in this case for a few reasons
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[1:24] <JessicaRN> ?
[1:25] <analogist> JessicaRN: since when you set up win10 to share WiFi to the eth dongle, the win10 laptop is now a gateway with its own LAN and dhcp
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[1:25] <analogist> JessicaRN: additionally, most PHYs today have automatic crossover support, ever since gigabit became common
[1:26] <analogist> JessicaRN: (but the first reason is more relevant here)
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[1:27] <JessicaRN> analogist: the crazy this is that I've done this 1/2 dozen times. The only change is that I'm using the newest stretch build. maybe that's the issue?
[1:27] <JessicaRN> analogist: cool about the xover. I didn't know that
[1:27] <friendofafriend> Use the image from before and update.
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[1:27] <analogist> JessicaRN: but this stretch build works the other Pi? or am I misreading
[1:28] <JessicaRN> analogist: I made my 2nd most recent build about 2 mths ago with the then current stretch. This new install is using today's stretch
[1:29] <JessicaRN> I'll try friendofafriend suggestion and rebuild using the older stretch img
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[1:29] <friendofafriend> Way to go, keep us posted.
[1:30] <JessicaRN> ty for the healp
[1:30] <JessicaRN> help
[1:30] <analogist> JessicaRN: did you tweak /etc/network/interfaces or anything with this image? I got burned by that once since stretch switched to the systemd model of dhcpcd
[1:30] <friendofafriend> Very welcome, JessicaRN.
[1:31] <JessicaRN> analogist: can't get connected to change it. all I can change is the preboot ssh and wpa_supplicant.conf files
[1:32] <analogist> JessicaRN: boo. good luck!
[1:33] <JessicaRN> ty
[1:33] <JessicaRN> bbiab
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[1:34] <getrat> I want to download something from a relatively trusted source, edit a config with only one option (user + password), put it and the other files on a memory card, put that memory card in my RPI, start the RPI in a corner and forget about it. I want it to do ALL patching/updates on its own, never requiring me to be around and do anything, and absolutely not running any sshd or anything like that. The "control panel" (itself minimal) should be a
[1:34] <getrat> LAN-only-accessible web interface where I simply get to check which software to install. And I would only check "PHP" (CLI) and "PostgreSQL". And then I can use them. Nothing more. Nothing less. Is there such a thing? If not, why?
[1:35] <friendofafriend> No.
[1:35] <getrat> "If not, why?"
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[1:36] <friendofafriend> You'd like it to be up-to-date with no user interaction.
[1:36] <friendofafriend> That will not happen.
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[1:38] <friendofafriend> You can try to minimize your interaction with the command line, maybe using something like webmin.
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[1:40] <getrat> "That will not happen." <-- WHY?
[1:40] <getrat> Isn't this the most basic thing you could ask for from a server in year freaking 2018?
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[1:40] <getrat> Or am I in a time machine and this is actually the 1950s?
[1:40] <friendofafriend> I see that you're distressed. I know Linux can be confusing.
[1:40] <analogist> I mean, apt already handles automated updates and reboots from apt.sources
[1:41] <analogist> what software stack are you loading with PHP and Postgre?
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[1:42] <friendofafriend> apt can handle software updates automatically, it's not moving you to the next major revision, is it?
[1:42] <getrat> friendofafriend!*@* added to ignore list.
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[1:43] <friendofafriend> What a mixed up fellow.
[1:43] <analogist> the same upstream will get security patches for 5-10 years, so that's functionally what you want
[1:44] <friendofafriend> Bleh, you're going to have to take out the trash once in a while.
[1:44] <JessicaRN> analogist: friendofafriend That fixed it. I guess there is an issue with headless on the new build
[1:44] <friendofafriend> Is that Rasbian you're loading?
[1:44] <friendofafriend> Sorry, Raspbian**.
[1:45] <friendofafriend> Oh, sorry, Raspbian-based OctoPi, right?
[1:45] <JessicaRN> problem was on today's download of stretch. It's working on a build from March. I'll update/upgrade
[1:45] <JessicaRN> not octopi
[1:46] <JessicaRN> just raspbian stretch
[1:46] <JessicaRN> lite
[1:46] <friendofafriend> I imaged a card with the latest Raspbian Stretch a few days ago, and it worked for what it's worth.
[1:47] <friendofafriend> Maybe you'll have success trying it with your Linux machine, when it's back in your possession.
[1:47] <JessicaRN> cool. well, ty for all the tips.
[1:47] <JessicaRN> g'nite all!
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[1:47] <friendofafriend> Always welcome, glad to help. Good night.
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[1:56] <Geekologist> Anyone knows how to remove wirte protection? I've tried diskpart with attributes disk clear readonly and tried with diskpart also with create partition primary to overwrite, nothing works, can't use my pi :(
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[1:59] <friendofafriend> Geekologist: Some SD cards will no longer allow write when they have failed. Can you still write to the SD card?
[1:59] <Geekologist> Nope, can't access it at all.
[2:00] <friendofafriend> If you power down the Pi, remove the SD card, and put it into another system, can you write it there?
[2:00] <Geekologist> Nope, windows 10 on both workstation and laptop says write protection
[2:00] <Geekologist> Maybe it's just broken somehow.
[2:00] <analogist> friendofafriend: if they're using diskpart, they've definitely tried it on win10
[2:01] <analogist> Geekologist: might be failing, honestly would try replacing since I wouldn't trust it by that point
[2:01] <Geekologist> Yea, Ithough so too, I'll trow it away and get a new one :)
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[2:03] <friendofafriend> Great idea, that's what SD cards do when they fail.
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[2:11] <friendofafriend> /sb
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[2:11] <friendofafriend> Apologies.
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[2:32] <aro> is there a better-than-others solution of making a raspberry pi read only?
[2:34] <Khaytsus> I personally just make /var/log tmpfs
[2:34] <Khaytsus> that handles most of the writing
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[2:37] <analogist> aro: there's a full spectrum ranging from tmpfs on some directories with the rest being mountro, to mountro with unionfs, to full initrd/initramfs-only builds. It depends on how much RAM you have, how big your filesystem needs to be, how many times you want the mmcblk to be read, etc
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[2:39] <aro> analogist: I don't really know. I just need it to be able to be powered on/off adhoc
[2:39] <aro> without killing the hardware
[2:39] <analogist> aro: the easiest would be what Khaytsus said, make /var/ tmpfs, or ln -s /var/log into /tmp/ and enlarge /tmp/, on an existing install, then lock down the rest of the disk making it all mountro at boot
[2:40] <aro> i saw adafruit had a script to do it, but it seemed a bit over the top
[2:40] <Khaytsus> 99% of the writing would be in /var/log
[2:40] <Khaytsus> But of course depends on your device
[2:41] <aro> With that being said - is there a way to run a script every 1 minute in read only mode? I saw that there were implications with cron when doing this
[2:41] <Khaytsus> I run cronjobs on mine all the time
[2:42] <analogist> aro: yeah, you'd just remount rw, do some operation, the remount ro, if you want those items to be saved to disk
[2:42] <aro> Ok
[2:43] <aro> would cron be the best way to do that?
[2:44] <aro> i mean, * * * * * will essentially do it every min regardless of the time being correct
[2:44] <Khaytsus> Yes
[2:44] <analogist> it's probably fine in terms of triggering a script, yes
[2:45] <aro> I did create a partition that stores the application I am running, which is mounted as rw. All I write is a gps line into a file
[2:45] <analogist> you'd want to make that script be aware of instances of itself, such as dumping a .pid file into /var/run or something
[2:45] <aro> That is what it is doing
[2:45] <analogist> or some other type of lockfile mechanism, so that if a job runs over it doesn't then try to lock the disk on a previous job
[2:46] <analogist> otherwise it's totally fine as a cronjob
[2:46] <aro> cool ok
[2:46] <Khaytsus> aro: heh, I have a gps tracklogger in my car too... I made sure the ONLY thing writing is the gps data, and it's as unbuffered as possible and closes every write. So the hope is I lose as little data as possible when it shuts down when the car goes down
[2:46] <aro> so just link var/log to the tmp area?
[2:46] <aro> Khaytsus: same :)
[2:47] <Khaytsus> I'd prefer however to have a UPS that'll safely shut it down immediately when the power goes off, power back up later. There are some options, but surprisingly few premade ones that aren't intended for running it full time which I don't want or need
[2:47] <aro> I do have a log file that I use right now, but was going to disable prior to going ro
[2:47] <aro> I had to fashion my own
[2:47] <aro> UPS sort of thing that is
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[2:47] <aro> It works great
[2:47] <Khaytsus> Yeah.. I just need something that'll hit a gpio pin when power is lost to tell the pi to shut down and run the pi for at least 30s or something
[2:48] <Khaytsus> and make sure the pi powers up when power returns
[2:48] <Khaytsus> Some of them require you to push a button to boot again.. wth?
[2:48] <aro> really?
[2:48] <Khaytsus> yeah, I was like......what is the point of this
[2:48] <aro> mine powers on +5v, i have a switch in between right now
[2:49] <Khaytsus> Mine powers straight off aux in my car
[2:49] <aro> like the ignition source?
[2:49] <aro> so when you take keys out, you lose power
[2:49] <aro> are you using a voltage regulator?
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[2:50] <Khaytsus> heh nah just a cell charger. It's sufficient for what I need
[2:50] <aro> i am building a working prototype of a tracking application we are making for some of our car lines
[2:51] <aro> mostly the prototype is the API and crap, the rpi is just what i am using to send requests to the api
[2:51] <aro> and the ui of course
[2:52] <Khaytsus> ah.. for me, the pi is getting data from a usb gps and storing it and uploading it to a site when it's on wifi
[2:52] <aro> I am using a waveshare GPS/Cellular module
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[2:52] <aro> i installed the GPS antenna attachment in the case for the pi, and that connects to a long antenna thing
[2:53] <aro> and does it over cellular
[2:53] <aro> so i had to go thru the mess of setting up ppp which was a nightmare
[2:53] <aro> i am hoping all this still works when it goes ro
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[2:55] <analogist> aro: there may be unexpected writes to random places that you’ll need to handle depending on the software, but making /var/ tmpfs should cover most use cases. I’ve seen /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib writes but it’s pretty rare. /var/log/messages should complain in any case
[2:55] <aro> ok cool
[2:55] <aro> what is it that causes the card corruption?
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[2:57] <analogist> aro: power loss on write, in most cases. on read is really really rare, but if you are tempting fate with constant power loss of multiple per day, that’s what initramfs builds would be for
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[3:00] <aro> cool
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[6:14] <donalsd> I am trying to run UV4L on my Raspberry Pi to establish a two-way communication via WebRTC. I have been able to stream the video from the Pi Camera and Audio from my laptop to the rpi's speakers but I am not able to stream the USB-mic's input to my laptop's speakers. Any suggestions?
[6:14] <donalsd> I have tried recording with arecord to test my mic and it works just fine.
[6:16] <donalsd> I have also set this: –webrtc-recdevice-index to 1
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[6:27] <donalsd> Also, has anyone here used uv4l successfully? If someone could guide me in that, I would be grateful.
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[9:37] <nikow> Hmm…
[9:37] <nikow> So snow fall on my RPI3B+ case, melted and flooded it…
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[10:10] <Lartza> What did you expect :P
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[10:43] <nikow> Lartza: I covered it with nail polish and it was enough for rain.
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[11:14] <phinxy> nikow: conformal coating is what youre looking for. Temperature shifts and weather might require the 'big guns': potted in plastic. Look at automotive industry how they seal their sensors.
[11:14] <phinxy> insulating varnish is another term
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[11:30] <nikow> phinxy: I think it will be hard to buy in Poland, but i will look around. Thanks.
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[11:34] <nikow> The most important thing - no data lost. SD Card survived. \ o /
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[12:01] <GeekOfflineNL> morning
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[12:11] <pepijndevos> What magic incantations do I need to bring up WiFi on the rpi (not Raspbian) brcmfmac is loaded, but ifconfig does not show any wireless interface.
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[12:13] <BurtyB> who knows
[12:13] <ShorTie> you need firmware and a txt file
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[12:15] <ShorTie> like a brcmfmac43455-sdio.txt
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[12:28] <aliasunknown> hello
[12:28] <aliasunknown> using pi4j how can I read from the register from an i2c device?
[12:29] <aliasunknown> the javadoc shows various read methods but none have a "subaddress" or "register" value so how do I control what registers are being read from the i2c device?
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> there is a wiringPi wrapper for pi4j (as well as wrappers for other gpio helpers), that features some dumbed-down helpers for doing what you want.
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> or see what smbus support pi4j has.
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[12:39] <aliasunknown> thanks
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[12:45] <pepijndevos> ShorTie, how can I check if I have those?
[12:45] <ShorTie> locate brcmfmac43455-sdio.txt
[12:45] <ShorTie> what model pi do you have ??
[12:47] <ShorTie> should be in /lib/firmware/brcm
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[12:51] <pepijndevos> 3 B V1.2
[12:53] <pepijndevos> yea, it has a bunch of hcd, txt, and bin files
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[12:54] <ShorTie> what does 'ls /lib/firmware/brcm | grep 43455' show, 3 files ??
[12:54] <ShorTie> what os is this ??
[12:56] <pepijndevos> yea, bin, txt, and clm_blob
[12:56] <pepijndevos> it's yocto with meta-raspberrypi
[12:57] <pepijndevos> so brcmfmac is loaded, wpa-suplicant is installed, /etc/network.interfaces has an entry for wlan0, yet there is no wlan0
[12:57] <giddles> bitbake :D
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[12:58] <ShorTie> you need a config file too ...
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[12:58] <ShorTie> so it knows what country and stuff
[13:00] <pepijndevos> config file for what?
[13:01] <ShorTie> wpa-suplicant.conf
[13:02] <ShorTie> as /etc/wpa-suplicant/wpa-suplicant.conf i do believe
[13:02] <pepijndevos> but... I would think that at least the interface would show up without it?
[13:02] <pepijndevos> it's there.. let me compare with the one from raspbian
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[13:09] <pepijndevos> ShorTie, I added the country line... no change
[13:09] <pepijndevos> also no wpa messages in dmesg
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[13:13] <ShorTie> you'd be looking for 43455 and/or wlan
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[13:14] <pepijndevos> nothing
[13:15] <pepijndevos> some brcmfmac messages though, saying it'll load the .bin to the chip
[13:15] <pepijndevos> registered new interface driver brcmfmac
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[13:16] <ShorTie> can you pastebin dmesg ??
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[13:17] <pepijndevos> uuuh, how am I going to get text out of a pi that's not connected to the internet...
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[13:20] <gargantua> SD card reader?
[13:20] <gargantua> or an ethernet cable connected to your pc
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[13:20] <pepijndevos> c
[13:21] <pepijndevos> I'll write it to the SD card and put it back in my laptop
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[13:21] <gargantua> you could just use a USB drive
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[13:22] <pepijndevos> if I had one laying around that would eb the easy option, yes
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[13:24] <pepijndevos> ShorTie, there you go https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pg5Qmsnnzz/
[13:24] <lfish> hello, I'm new with raspberry and they're using them at work. I have to check the viability of using a raspberry pi for some computer vision projects, I have same sample apps. Any learning resource on how to check if I have enough computer power to run the applications?
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[13:28] <ShorTie> ls /lib/firmware/brcm | grep 43430
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[13:31] <pazof> quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[13:31] <pazof> 13:14 -!- nshire [~nealshire@unaffiliated/nealshire] has joined #raspberrypi
[13:31] <pazof> 13:14 < pepijndevos> nothing
[13:31] <pazof> 13:15 < pepijndevos> some brcmfmac messages though, saying it'll load the .bin to the chip
[13:31] <pazof> 13:15 < pepijndevos> registered new interface driver brcmfmac
[13:31] <pazof> 13:16 -!- nibble_zero [~nibble_ze@37.244.231.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[13:31] <pazof> 13:16 < ShorTie> can you pastebin dmesg ??
[13:31] <pazof> oups
[13:31] <pazof> sorry.
[13:31] <ShorTie> sure brcmfmac43430-sdio.txt is a txt file, as i have grab it in wrong format .. :/~
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[13:32] <pepijndevos> BCM43430A1.hcd brcmfmac43430-sdio.bin brcmfmac43430-sdio.txt
[13:32] <pepijndevos> it's definitely a text file
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[13:34] <pepijndevos> I did not do your wget btw, it was all already there
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[13:36] <ShorTie> ok, sorry, that twas the wrong 1 anyways, it's for 3B+
[13:37] <pepijndevos> hmmm https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2105
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[13:39] <ShorTie> your compiling your own kernel ??
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[13:40] <pepijndevos> well... I suppose yocto does.
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[13:49] <pepijndevos> The people over at #yocto don't think that's my problem
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[14:28] <MacGeek> quick question, a friend recently gave a rpi3b+ to his father for general desktop use. said father, after a day or two, reported having a blue (or grey, apparently he's seen both) circle superimposed on the bottom left corner of the screen.
[14:29] <MacGeek> is it a screen overlay from the firmware, like the lightning bolt for undervoltage?
[14:29] <MacGeek> I've done an (admittedly quick) online search and I haven't found anything relevant
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> isn't that just the mouse -> menu indicator? the over voltage/temp is usually at the top.
[14:46] <MacGeek> let me upload a photo, it's a rather large circle
[14:48] <MacGeek> https://imgur.com/a/qZoWoRb
[14:49] <friendofafriend> Wow, cool. That's a strange one.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea. but I also note there is nothing else on the monitor.
[14:50] <MacGeek> in the second pic, there's the raspbian desktop, you can see the menu bar at the bottom
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[14:50] <MacGeek> with the menu covered by the gray circle
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[14:50] <gordonDrogon> oh right. never noticed that one - just thought it was random family pics.
[14:50] <MacGeek> I guess that's a desktop background or something
[14:51] <friendofafriend> Daw, c'mon. Of course it is. :)
[14:51] <MacGeek> (you can also see the trash icon on the top left, in the second pic)
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> I'm more thinking its a monitor defect. can he try the monitor with something else?
[14:51] <friendofafriend> I'd run X all by itself.
[14:51] <MacGeek> he has tried the monitor with a win10 laptop and no circle there
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> ok, fairynuff.
[14:52] <MacGeek> I still suspect it may be some overlay generated by the monitor, maybe it doesn't like something about the rpi video output
[14:52] <MacGeek> refresh rate or resolution or who knows what
[14:53] <friendofafriend> Seems doubtful. Does it happen at the console also?
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[14:53] <friendofafriend> As in, during boot does a circle still appear?
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[14:54] <MacGeek> hang on, asking
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[15:16] <MacGeek> sorry for the delay, the question has been relayed
[15:17] <MacGeek> it appears there's a hdmi-vga converter between the rpi and the monitor
[15:17] <MacGeek> I'm thinking that maybe underscan is active on the rpi and the converter is generating that circle to try and assist in centering the video signal on the monitor perhaps?
[15:18] <friendofafriend> It seems unlikely the HDMI-to-VGA adapter is the culprit in drawing a circle on the display.
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[15:20] <friendofafriend> So, it would be best to first know if that artifact is displayed on the console.
[15:20] <MacGeek> agreed, waiting on an answer to that
[15:20] <friendofafriend> Next, it would be great to know if you can launch X with no window manager and get a desktop free of the circle.
[15:21] <MacGeek> also I guess there may be some way to save a snapshot of the framebuffer from the command line?
[15:21] <MacGeek> so you can see whether the circle comes from the rpi itself or from somewhere down the line
[15:21] <friendofafriend> Right, he could just hit the printscreen button and see if it's being drawn in the screenshot.
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[15:33] <exarkun22> Hello. I am running armv7l NixOS on an rpi 3 b+. I just installed the raspberrypi linux kernel, 4.14.50-1.20180619 , and I'm trying to figure out what else I need to do to have gpio access. Currently a trivial wiringPi-based program fails with EPERM when trying to mmap() /dev/mem.
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> exarkun22, wiringPi tried /dev/gpiomem first, but needs root access for /dev/mem. Try with sudo
[15:35] <exarkun22> Sorry, should have mentioned, am running as root
[15:35] <exarkun22> Maybe I got an old version of wiringPi? Looking at strace, I don't see this program trying anything with /dev/gpiomem
[15:36] <exarkun22> eh, claims to be 2.46
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[15:40] <gordonDrogon> well - NixOS. *shrug* I only test under Raspbian.
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> I suggest you use another gpio library
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[15:43] <exarkun22> Okay thanks.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> incidentally, wiringPi will never fail. It will kill your program. it's designed to do that, so you can never get EPERM back into your program. wiringPi tries /dev/mem first, then if that fails it tried /dev/gpiomem. If your fails eith EPERM then someone has changed it.
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[15:47] <chris_99> just wondering, is armhf deb package, always 32 bit?
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[15:49] <exarkun22> The open("/dev/mem") succeeds, that seems to bypass the /dev/gpiomem logic. Then, the mmap() fails, and wiringPi reports the setup failure and, indeed, exits.
[15:49] <chris_99> what's mmap fail with
[15:50] <exarkun22> EPERM
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[15:50] <exarkun22> https://gist.github.com/exarkun/f725f589f46903a4d4f7bfb883bc1ff2
[15:53] <chris_99> what are the perms on /dev/mem i guess?
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[15:53] <chris_99> and you are using root you said?
[15:54] <exarkun22> "crw-r----- 1 root kmem 1, 1 Jan 1 1970 /dev/mem", "uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)"
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> you must be the first person to actually set WIRINGPI_CODES in the environment.
[15:55] <chris_99> i'm just wondering, i tried to do soemthing funny with /dev/mem on arch possibly, where it wouldn't let me even if root iirc
[15:55] <exarkun22> Hm, don't think I did that
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> I suspect "they" have changed something regarding access - needing some attribute set or something now.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> and of-course we're not supposed to use /dev/mem that way or something stuipd like that - however no-one has bothered to tell me how to us it now and right now I'm not sure I can be bothered to look it up.
[15:57] <chris_99> out of curioisuty
[15:58] <chris_99> what happens if you remove O_CLOEXEC
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[15:59] <exarkun22> gordonDrogon: seems plausible
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> I'm not in a position to test right now.
[16:00] <exarkun22> now I see some discussion of Linux kernel config options that have to do with new constraints on /dev/mem use... but I haven't found the actual documentation for those options yet.
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> there is apparently some new Linux gpio driver in the works - you use ioctl to access it. sysfs is well deprecated.
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[16:00] <exarkun22> maybe I will play around with recompiling my kernel to change some of those, if I can find more info... and don't find an easier solution :)
[16:00] <exarkun22> sysfs is deprecated? :o
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> this will affect all gpio - pigpio too as it uses /dev/mem, so maybe I'll read her code to see what to do..
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> yes, for some time now.
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[16:03] <chris_99> https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/STRICT_DEVMEM.html
[16:03] <chris_99> wonder about that
[16:03] <chris_99> if that can prevent access to the gpio?
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[16:05] <exarkun22> chris_99: taking out O_CLOEXEC doesn't seem to change anything else
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, says that restricts memory, but mapped peripherals are ok - I'd assume the gpio registers are already mapped.
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[16:09] <chris_99> hmm yeah true gordonDrogon
[16:09] <chris_99> ah darn exarkun22 i was just looking at the man page which made me wonder about the exec thing
[16:10] <exarkun22> is there a kernel module that I should make sure it loaded for those gpio registers to be mapped? (although the fact that the mmap call is what fails, and not a later memory access, seems strange?)
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> gpiomem
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[16:11] <exarkun22> alright, that seems to be missing
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[16:29] <chris_99> anyone a piwheels expert per chance?
[16:29] <chris_99> i'm currently getting tensorflow from it seemingly version 0.11.0
[16:29] <chris_99> rather than 1.11.0
[16:30] <waveform> chris_99, hmmm - I take it you're just running "pip install tensorflow?"
[16:30] <chris_99> yeah
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[16:30] <chris_99> i tried == too, but it only lists 0.11.0
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[16:31] <chris_99> pip.conf only has the url for piwheels.org/simple too
[16:32] <AlexPortable> What is the max power usage for an rpi3?
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[16:38] <friendofafriend> AlexPortable: Raspberry Pi foundation recommends a 2.5A power supply for the Pi3.
[16:38] <chris_99> my python appears to be 32 bit too waveform, i'm muchos confused
[16:39] <waveform> chris_99, well the 32-bit python is perfectly normal given the pi userland is 32-bit
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[16:39] <waveform> chris_99, just checking what's going on with tensorflow
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[16:40] <chris_99> cheers! i'll keep playing
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[16:40] <waveform> 1.11.0 is in the relevant index.html, and all the archs appear to be present
[16:40] <AlexPortable> friendofafriend: what if you give it more?
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[16:41] <notraven> Hi. I'm pondering a NAS with a Pi, but curious wich SATA-card/controler to use, Wich one do you guys use?
[16:41] <ben_nuttall> we have it for 27, 34, 25, armv6 and armv7 - all combos
[16:41] <ben_nuttall> are you on jessie or stretch (or something other than RPF raspbian)?
[16:41] <waveform> chris_99, when you say it only lists 0.11.0 - is that what's downloading when you run "pip install tensorflow"?
[16:42] <chris_99> so i'm using raspbian stretch in a docker, on alpine. yes it installed 0.11.0 for me
[16:42] <ben_nuttall> what python version?
[16:42] <waveform> ahhhh
[16:42] <chris_99> 3.5.3
[16:43] <ben_nuttall> 0.11 will be the latest available tagged with "py3"
[16:44] <waveform> yeah, but 3.5.3 should match cp35 (and we've got 1.11.0 for cp35)
[16:44] <waveform> hmmm
[16:44] <chris_99> i got '1.11.0' the other day
[16:44] <chris_99> on straight raspbian stretch
[16:44] <chris_99> for python3
[16:44] <ben_nuttall> is it stock python 3.5 or some docker build?
[16:44] <chris_99> i got it from apt-get
[16:44] <waveform> are you sure your python under docker/alpine isn't 3.6 or something?
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[16:45] <ben_nuttall> `which python3` and `python3 -V` should help
[16:45] <chris_99> so my python in docker is 3.5.3
[16:45] <chris_99> i don't have python on alpine
[16:46] <chris_99> pip version appears to be 18.1
[16:46] <waveform> chris_99, can you just try "import platform; platform.machine()" in your docker python?
[16:47] <ben_nuttall> if you run `pip3 wheel tensorflow -i https://www.piwheels.org/simple -v > tf.txt` then look at tf.txt it should tell you why it is not picking up 1.11
[16:47] <chris_99> sure one sec
[16:47] <chris_99> waveform: so that is very interesting, that prints aarch64, however when i checked with ctypes it say 32 bit heh i'm confused
[16:47] <waveform> ahhh - that's why you're getting 0.11.0
[16:48] <ben_nuttall> -v gives reasons why it ignores each available file (using -i to only use piwheels otherwise you'll be sifting through all of pypi's wheels)
[16:48] <waveform> it's trying to match the arch and the only install we've got that'll match that arch is the 0.11.0 (which frankly has the wrong arch :)
[16:48] <ben_nuttall> ah
[16:48] <chris_99> can i force the arch?
[16:48] <chris_99> somehow
[16:49] <waveform> erm ... off the top of my head I don't know
[16:49] <chris_99> like it's odd, i think the docker container
[16:49] <chris_99> is 32 bit
[16:49] <waveform> if you can, then you want either armv6l (for Pi1 or Pi0) or armv7l (for Pi3 or Pi2)
[16:49] <friendofafriend> AlexPortable: It won't change anything, because the board and USB devices can only use so much.
[16:49] <chris_99> but maybe it's somehow seeing my alpine arch
[16:50] <friendofafriend> AlexPortable: If the devices you'd like to connect use more power than the Pi can provide, use a split power and data cable.
[16:50] <friendofafriend> AlexPortable: This is an example. https://www.amazon.com/HIGHROCK-Enhancer-Female-Charge-Extension/dp/B00NIGO4NM
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[16:53] <chris_99> waveform: thanks for your help! i'll ask in docker, see if they have an idea how to fake the sys arch
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[16:54] <waveform> np - good luck!
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[16:57] <chris_99> armv7 is the normal 32 bit package right?
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[17:01] <notraven> Hi. I'm pondering a NAS with a Pi and install Plex, but curious wich SATA-card/controler to use, Wich one do you guys use? I have 2x4TB SATA drives. Would it work with a Pi to run Plex, or is it too slow?
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[17:02] <HighInBC> notraven: the pi's IO bus is fairly limited in bandwidth
[17:02] <HighInBC> you might find the speeds a bit limited for higher quality videos
[17:03] <notraven> Hmm, ok.
[17:03] <pwillard> It kind of too bad that the PiDrive from WD was short lived.
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[17:04] <chris_99> waveform: i just found if i do: linux32 python3.5, then print the machine, it says armv8l now, any idea what that is?
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[17:05] <waveform> chris_99, I *think* that's another 64-bit arch (rapsbian uses armv6l on the Pi0/1 and armv7l on the Pi2/3, and both use 32-bit userlands)
[17:06] <waveform> (though the Pi3 is actually an armv8 chip)
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[17:06] <chris_99> ah cheers, i wonder, can i see the .whl file somewhere on the piwheels site?
[17:06] <chris_99> i wonder if i can just manually install it maybe
[17:06] <notraven> HighInBC: From what I can tell, running a 3.5" SATA drive directly to a Pi won't work right? What about, a SATA to USB-adapter into a USB 3.0 hub connected to the Pi? The USB-hubs has an external power source..
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[17:07] <waveform> chris_99, sure - just visit https://www.piwheels.org/simple/tensorflow/
[17:07] <HighInBC> notraven: you will only get 100 megabits
[17:07] <chris_99> thanks
[17:07] <HighInBC> and I think that is shared with the networking
[17:08] <waveform> chris_99, that index.html is what pip queries to know what's available and it links to the actual downloads - you'll find the SHA256 checksum in the anchor of each link if you want to verify anything
[17:08] <HighInBC> should work with one client for most videos
[17:08] <notraven> HighInBC: Even with Ethernet cable, and not WiFi?
[17:08] <HighInBC> but high quality large videos or multiple clients at once will suffer
[17:08] <chris_99> waveform: thanks a lot just trying that now
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[17:08] <HighInBC> notraven: only earlier models yes it is shared, I am not sure if the latest versions have dedicated networking buses or not
[17:08] <notraven> We only watch videos from 1 computer in the house, aka 1 client.
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[17:09] <HighInBC> but yes a powered hub is essential
[17:09] <notraven> Only one way to find out!
[17:09] <HighInBC> should be worth a try
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[17:11] <pwillard> I've had no trouble with using a bog standard USB SATA Adapter with a PI but then I created a custom 5V microUSB Power Splitter to make it work.
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[17:12] <notraven> pwillard: In "theory" it should work, since they have an external power source. My onlu concern, is that the Pi can't handle the amount of data going thru the USB..
[17:12] <JessicaRN> hey folks, does anyone actually have musicbox up and running -well-?
[17:13] <pwillard> well, I have 6 Pi3 servers running with attached USB SATA that says it isn't horrible. But then none of them is trying to run PLEX.
[17:13] <JessicaRN> or do you have a suggestion for a bulletproof streaming configuration? I spend more time screwing with musicbox than I do listening to music!
[17:15] <pwillard> wait... isn't that the "way of the maker"? You actually want to use something versus forver fiddle with it? Blasphemy! ;-P
[17:16] <JessicaRN> pwillard: actually, I'd kind of like to fiddle with things that are a little more fun than this (*&%@&#*% bugware
[17:16] <pwillard> I *so* understand that statement...
[17:16] <JessicaRN> I'm trying to learn STM32's and I keep getting distracted by this POS music player
[17:17] <JessicaRN> does anyone use anything reliable?
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I have reliable Pi's.
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> my central heating system is using a very reliable controller that's now over 20 years old.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> my reliable Pi based oven controller is over 3 years old.
[17:19] <JessicaRN> gordonDrogon: RPi's are great. It's the music streaming app I'm having probs with
[17:19] <JessicaRN> I love my pi's
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> ah. I don't care for music, so ...
[17:19] <JessicaRN> so, to repeat the question, does anyone use a reliable music streaming config?
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[17:20] <jancoow> reliable as in?
[17:20] <pwillard> Well, if *I* were going to set up a streaming Audio solution with my pi (and I haven't yet) I would try something as slick looking as RUNEAUDIO first... http://www.runeaudio.com/
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[17:20] <pwillard> BUT, I think it relies on a custom distro
[17:21] <JessicaRN> so does the main musicbox
[17:21] <jancoow> I've used a multi room audio solution using pi's only
[17:21] <jancoow> works fine
[17:21] <jancoow> Well. Not only pi's. Also any linux pc
[17:21] <JessicaRN> jancoow: what did you use?
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[17:21] <jancoow> https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2016/02/18/multi-room-audio-with-snapcast/
[17:23] <jancoow> I want to buy a chrome cast audio once and just drop it off by my server. Then use a pi in each room to stream the audio
[17:23] <JessicaRN> that uses mopidy (musicbox) as well. you having it working reliably?
[17:23] <jancoow> yes, but you can stream from each application AFAI remember
[17:23] <jancoow> so also from microphone input for example
[17:23] <jancoow> or youtube
[17:23] <jancoow> But I used it a long time ago. Don't remember everything exactly
[17:24] <jancoow> What is your use case?
[17:24] <JessicaRN> Oh. you don't use it currently?
[17:24] <jancoow> Nope
[17:24] <JessicaRN> cool.
[17:24] <JessicaRN> ok
[17:24] <JessicaRN> ty
[17:25] <jancoow> I did use it for a short time. But didn't saw the advantage of it because I'm mostly listing music in only one room
[17:25] <jancoow> If I later buy a house I problably gonna set it up again
[17:26] <exarkun22> Okay, got gpiomem working. Yay.
[17:26] <jancoow> But the idea is that you have snapcast running on each device. And then just a chrome cast audio on the wifi network, so I can simply use google play music across my whole house
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[17:26] <jancoow> then the server is streaming it to all the pi's
[17:26] <jancoow> and voila
[17:27] <JessicaRN> jancoow: I own an art gallery w/ 9 different rooms. I'd like to sync a music stream to each room and control it from one source preferably.
[17:27] <pwillard> now that I have a Amazon Echo on each floor... thats my audio streaming device now
[17:27] <jancoow> well, then snapcast is the way to go !
[17:27] <jancoow> https://github.com/badaix/snapcast
[17:27] <jancoow> have a look at the readme
[17:28] <jancoow> the latency was pretty good actually
[17:28] <jancoow> even over WIFI
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[17:29] <jancoow> I would just use a 3.5mm jack in so you can connect any audio device you want
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[17:30] <JessicaRN> I'm gonna check out runeaudio first. it looks fairly polished
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[17:30] <JessicaRN> hopefully it's not all looks
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[17:30] <jancoow> but that isn't multi room audio
[17:31] <jancoow> that's just a player
[17:32] <JessicaRN> jancoow: well, I have a synology that should be able to stream. If I have each room playing the same stream that will handle the problem, won't it?
[17:33] <jancoow> uh
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[17:33] <jancoow> Yeah. I think.
[17:33] <JessicaRN> jancoow: bad idea?
[17:33] <jancoow> Dunno. You lack having 1 control pannel for the whole system
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[17:34] <jancoow> I would combine snapcast with runeaudio
[17:34] <pwillard> yeah... seems you always have to weigh options
[17:34] <chris_99> Does anyone know if i do file on an elf, if eabi5 version1,and interpretter armhf means the file is an armv7 file, or is there a way to verify that
[17:34] <jancoow> use runeaudio on a nice touchscreen interface and use snapcast to stream to 1..n pi's in the whole building
[17:34] <jancoow> advantage of snapcast is taht it handles the delays
[17:35] <jancoow> so dunno how close your rooms are
[17:35] <jancoow> But I mostly play loud music and it's annoying if subwoofer are out of phase :P
[17:35] <JessicaRN> jancoow: how does if sync?
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[17:35] <jancoow> ?
[17:36] <HighInBC> indeed good question
[17:36] <JessicaRN> so, if different rooms are playing the same music, what process does it take to make sure each is in sync with the other?
[17:36] <HighInBC> probably not over the network, latency and such
[17:36] <JessicaRN> there is no mic on the rpi
[17:36] <HighInBC> I am guessing an out of band strobing radio signal
[17:36] <jancoow> " The encoded chunk is sent via a TCP connection to the Snapclients. Each client does continuos time synchronization with the server, so that the client is always aware of the local server time. Every received chunk is first decoded and added to the client's chunk-buffer. Knowing the server's time, the chunk is played out using ALSA at the appropriate time. Time deviations are corrected by "
[17:37] <jancoow> Copy-paste from the readme
[17:37] <JessicaRN> nice
[17:37] <HighInBC> huh that sounds like it would be good to about 10ms
[17:37] <jancoow> HighInBC: correct
[17:37] <HighInBC> which is noticeable
[17:37] <jancoow> it is noticable over wifi, yes
[17:38] <jancoow> "skipping parts or whole chunks
[17:38] <jancoow> playing silence
[17:38] <jancoow> playing faster/slower
[17:38] <jancoow> Typically the deviation is smaller than 1ms. "
[17:38] <jancoow> forget to copy that part
[17:38] <HighInBC> when I was doing animations with RGB leds(ws2812) over multiple controllers I either had to run a sync wire or setup a radio strobe
[17:38] <jancoow> yea
[17:38] <JessicaRN> HighInBC: is it really? considering the speed of sound traveling from one room to the next, can you ever have total syncing for different users in different rooms?
[17:38] <HighInBC> the brain is used to that
[17:39] <jancoow> well. it depends. If you place 2 speakers behind each other which are connected to 1 audio source, you also hear an echo
[17:39] <jancoow> because of the speed of sound
[17:39] <JessicaRN> I wonder what the offset is for a 12 string guitar
[17:39] <JessicaRN> prob minimal
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[17:40] <jancoow> I was this year on this festival: https://www.gigantstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Dominator-2015-36.jpg
[17:41] <jancoow> so funny to see the delay in the audience
[17:41] <jancoow> when you standing in the back
[17:41] <JessicaRN> lol.... I'm more the James Taylor type...
[17:42] <Tenkawa> JessicaRN: what about S&G
[17:42] <JessicaRN> Can't have slayer screaming in an art gallery
[17:42] <Tenkawa> (Simon and Garfunkel)
[17:42] <JessicaRN> gotta love em. But I also love solo Simon
[17:42] <jancoow> I'm more this type:" https://youtu.be/oNIvpnNTo-0?t=677
[17:42] <jancoow> <3
[17:43] <Tenkawa> ever heard the Disturbed cover of sound of silence?
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[17:43] <JessicaRN> jancoow: that almost sounds EDMish
[17:43] <JessicaRN> oh
[17:43] <HighInBC> solo Garfunkel... not so much
[17:43] <jancoow> JessicaRN: HA
[17:43] <JessicaRN> not anymore
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[17:43] <jancoow> lol
[17:44] <jancoow> the more BPM the better tbh
[17:44] <JessicaRN> Tenkawa: no, I'll check it out
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[17:46] <JessicaRN> Tenkawa: that is dark as shit. Kinda like Cash during hurt
[17:46] <Tenkawa> huh?
[17:46] <JessicaRN> Jonny Cash doing NIN's Hurt?
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[17:47] <Tenkawa> its not "dark"
[17:47] <Tenkawa> listen to the lyris sometime
[17:47] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[17:47] <JessicaRN> Tenkawa: Yeah, I love the lyrics
[17:47] <Tenkawa> quite the opposite
[17:48] <JessicaRN> but I expect zombies to show up in the video and start eating ppls brains
[17:48] <Tenkawa> ahhh
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[17:48] <Tenkawa> I liked Killswitch Engage.. they just cant keep a stable lineup
[17:49] <JessicaRN> it's good musically, but dark. dark. (looking for sharp cutting objects)
[17:49] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
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[17:50] <JessicaRN> I can't do that shit for very long. Makes me think about opening a vein
[17:50] <Tenkawa> i like heavy music
[17:51] <JessicaRN> And you don't want to be around a nurse trying to do herself in. messy. very messy
[17:51] <Tenkawa> metal and even like opera and such
[17:51] <Tenkawa> i want the energy
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[17:51] <JessicaRN> Wagner's ring cycle... Ugh. Can't do it
[17:53] <Tenkawa> time for lunch... bbialw
[17:53] <JessicaRN> ciao
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[18:19] <BurtyB> should "dtparam=act_led_trigger=rfkill0" to flash the act led on wifi activity work on the pi zero w? as it doesn't seem to flash at all
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[18:22] <WBILL> im using and successfully installed butt
[18:22] <WBILL> <WBILL> and im getting this error when trying to use a generic C-Media external usb soundcard
[18:22] <WBILL> <WBILL> PA: Format not supported: Invalid number of channels
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[18:22] <WBILL> any clues?
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[18:25] * stivs guesses: you are using an unsupported format. 5.something maybe?
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[18:27] <friendofafriend> WBILL: Look for a command line flag to set the number of channels.
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[18:34] <WBILL> in butt you mean/
[18:34] <WBILL> ?
[18:35] <WBILL> so when i start butt use a command line flag to set the channels ?
[18:36] <stiv> does 'man butt' give you any hints?
[18:36] <HighInBC> lol
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[18:36] * stiv has no idea what 'butt' is, but knows that applications often have either command line flags, a config file or some special environment variables
[18:37] <stiv> HighInBC, yeah!
[18:38] <HighInBC> just google man butt
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[18:39] <stiv> nope. ain't gonna do it
[18:41] <friendofafriend> Bing it, then.
[18:41] <WBILL> butt (broadcast using this tool)
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[18:41] <WBILL> thanks for all the toilet humor...lol
[18:41] <friendofafriend> WBILL: Yeah, try butt --help
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[18:41] <WBILL> its not very verbose
[18:42] <stiv> then it won't take long to read! or if you are as lazy as i am: butt --help |grep -i channel
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[18:45] <WBILL> actually it just reopens the appthere is very little documentation o it or error forums etc about it at all ive been looking for hours
[18:46] <WBILL> sux
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[19:05] <donalsd> Hi, I am trying to access raspberrypi.local from my android device. I have set up avahi daemon on the rpi and can access the web server from my PC but it's not working for any of the android devices. What could be the issue?
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[19:07] <Lartza> donalsd, You can't, not really
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[19:08] <donalsd> Lartza: Why though?
[19:08] <donalsd> It does work on my PC. Why won't android phones support it?
[19:09] <Lartza> They do allow developers to query mDNS
[19:09] <Lartza> Your PC has Bonjour or Avahi running too
[19:09] <Lartza> So for android, the support is on an app to app basis
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[19:17] <AlexPortable> how many watt does an rpi uses?
[19:17] <AlexPortable> is it 5V 2.5A ?
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> multiply them
[19:17] <AlexPortable> 12,5 W max hm
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> absolute max.
[19:18] <mlelstv> the rpi itself won't need that much
[19:18] <AlexPortable> average load in W?
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> no such thing as an average Pi user.
[19:19] <AlexPortable> can i measure it on the pi somehow?
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> not without a meter or 2.
[19:20] <AlexPortable> hm
[19:20] <AlexPortable> trying to upgrade the pi to another system, but only when the power usage is around the same
[19:20] <mlelstv> also depends on model
[19:20] <mlelstv> a pi3b is between 1.2 and 1.8W.
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[19:21] <AlexPortable> 3b yes
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[19:22] <mlelstv> wort case seems to be about 4W
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[19:25] <mlelstv> apparently the 3b+ can take a bit more, the additional 0.2GHz seem to be expensive.
[19:27] <chris_99> the 3b+ has a different networky chip too
[19:28] <chris_99> not sure if that affects power though
[19:28] <mlelstv> probably does.
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[19:42] <Fulgen> mlelstv: I want your 3b power o.O
[19:43] <Fulgen> 1.2W would mean it needs 240mA, and I can't even use the WiFi adapter when I power it by a notebook port
[19:43] <Fulgen> also, power lamp flickers when I power it via GPIO pins by a supply with 1.5A max and add a usb hdd
[19:44] <mlelstv> guess what the usb hdd takes :)
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[19:46] <Fulgen> I doubt it needs more than (1.5A - pi power consumption)
[19:46] <Fulgen> because that'd mean it needed 1.26A if the pi is happy with 240mA
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[19:47] <mlelstv> for spin-up it might need that or more.
[19:48] <mlelstv> the 240mA are when idle.
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[19:53] <yggdrasil> wasup gents
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[19:56] <mlelstv> just in time. the 3b here needs 267mA idle.
[19:56] <mlelstv> it gets 5.15V
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[19:59] <Fulgen> nice
[19:59] <mlelstv> just got a usb powermeter, let's assume it is that precise :)
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[20:00] <chris_99> i got one of those not to long ago :) with BT too
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[20:01] <mlelstv> funny thing, halting the system increases curren to 333mA. It now sits in a loop waiting for a keypress.
[20:01] <Fulgen> systemctl halt?
[20:01] <mlelstv> it doesn't run linux
[20:01] <Fulgen> risc os?
[20:02] <mlelstv> netbsd
[20:02] <Fulgen> ah
[20:02] <mlelstv> lets try the 3b+
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[20:04] <mlelstv> wow.
[20:05] <mlelstv> 750mA during boot and down to 650mA when idle
[20:05] <mlelstv> ah, wait
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[20:06] <mlelstv> minus 180mA for the hdmi->vga adapter :)
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[20:17] <hodapp> oh, not using VGA666?
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[20:29] <morfin> hmmm
[20:30] <morfin> i am thinking to upgrade my RPi 3 because i need better coolant
[20:31] <morfin> or maybe just move it to the balcony because it's overheating as Chernobyl while compiling stuff
[20:31] <hodapp> o_O
[20:31] <friendofafriend> You should get a heatsink.
[20:31] <morfin> hmm maybe
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[20:32] <morfin> seems like CPU producing 2/3 of heat
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[20:34] <morfin> I did not even overclock it just compile things but that use all cores at 100%
[20:34] <morfin> and sometimes whole thing just hangup
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[20:36] <morfin> or it can be SD card overheating as well
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[20:37] <friendofafriend> It's very common to use heatsinks with the Pi3, like this fellow is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg5n56x9Y7A
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[20:39] <solsTiCe> hi. I wanted to automate pulling a little lever. So I need some kind of little robotic arm to be controlled from a rpi. I have not searched for that yet. Could you point me in some direction ?
[20:40] <solsTiCe> What could be the expected cost of this arm ? without the rpi
[20:40] <Khaytsus> solsTiCe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird
[20:40] <BCMM> solsTiCe: "robotic arm" seems a bit overkill
[20:41] <BCMM> solsTiCe: the term would generally refer to something with a joint that is capable of moving in any direction
[20:41] <Khaytsus> selenoid... or a small motor that rotates a gear...
[20:41] <BCMM> when it sounds like you just need something that will move backwards and forwards
[20:41] <Khaytsus> all seems sufficient. But of course we don't know what you're actually doing
[20:41] <chris_99> what's the lever for
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[20:44] <solsTiCe> yes you are rights. just up and down
[20:45] <BCMM> solsTiCe: so how far do you need this lever to move?
[20:45] <solsTiCe> just a sec
[20:45] <BCMM> solsTiCe: point is, you can probably do it with something like this, plus a relay: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/solenoid-5v
[20:46] <BCMM> (random link from google, not a specific recommendation)
[20:47] <solsTiCe> so it should 5 cm up. and go up and down rouglhy 5cm. it's to move (sorry to break the mystery) the lever on that https://www.darty.com/nav/achat/petit_electromenager/petit-dejeuner/bouilloire_theiere_chocolatiere/moulinex_by540d10_subito.html
[20:48] <BCMM> solsTiCe: careful with that. for some kettles, holding down the lever will override the built-in protections
[20:48] <solsTiCe> sorry and go up and down roughly 1cm
[20:48] <BCMM> i.e. if you mess this up, it will boil dry, melt, and catch fire
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[20:49] <solsTiCe> I don't want to hold. just push down but don't block it else it will keep it up and turn on
[20:50] <BCMM> solsTiCe: i know you don't want it to hold. just keep in mind that holding is one potential mode of failure.
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[20:51] <Geekologist> Hello peeps.. I'm going to order some PoE hats, but I'm unsure what voltage it needs? 5v, 9v, 12v or 24v?
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[20:51] <BCMM> anyway, solenoid with 1cm throw. they also have diagrams of how to connect it to gpio. https://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-large-push-pull-solenoid
[20:52] <solsTiCe> BCMM: yes ok. jsut a simple motor that you can control rotation, like 60° rotation in 3s. with a wood hand crafted gear should do it
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[20:52] <BCMM> solsTiCe: that would work too, but you can already buy a device that produces linear motion, if that's what you want
[20:53] <BCMM> solsTiCe: just pay attention to how you connect to gpio, basically. the gpio pins won't power much beyond a simple LED on their own, so you'll need a transistor or relay to switch it on.
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[20:56] <BCMM> Geekologist: where are you getting those numbers from? the most common standard is 48V
[20:56] <BCMM> Geekologist: and the official poe hat accepts anything between 37 and 57 volts
[20:57] <BCMM> (click "Specifications" here https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ )
[20:57] <solsTiCe> BCMM: yes your solenoid could work. But thinking of failsafe behavior I think now that the gear if well crafted could be more failsafe.
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[20:57] <Geekologist> Ah okay, thank you very much. I did look at that page, but have overlooked those :)
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[20:58] <solsTiCe> BCMM: what I am looking is a stepper motor, right ? I have never done prject like that with rpi. jsut software for now
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[21:08] <mlelstv> the 3b+ is much better regarding heat
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[21:17] <heeed> hello
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[21:37] <bofh> Hi there, is it a right place to ask questions about buildroot / raspberry pi and OTG mode?
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[22:06] <ldiamond> So I have a board plugged on the GPIOs and when I boot I see a whole bunch of random bytes printed out
[22:06] <ldiamond> The board uses the serial port of the GPIO
[22:06] <ldiamond> I have enable_uart=1 in my config.txt. What else do I need?
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[22:35] <yggdrasil> wow what is that most simple window manager.
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[22:35] <yggdrasil> i thought it was openbox but i think there is one even simpler.
[22:36] <DammitJim> enlightenment!
[22:36] <CompanionCube> nah
[22:36] <CompanionCube> the simplest window manager is tinywm.
[22:36] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[22:36] <yggdrasil> it was like it just had a terminal.
[22:37] <yggdrasil> and when you resized window it would display coordinates and like a wierd set of four squares
[22:39] <yggdrasil> ill check out tinywm
[22:39] <yggdrasil> looks cool.
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[22:50] <BCMM> yggdrasil: are you talking about twm?
[22:50] <onca> are there any strong right angle gpio header extenders out there? I imagine they're weak and break easily.
[22:54] <JK-47> they are as strong as the metal is. Break isnt the right thought as much as bend.
[22:54] <JK-47> Why would you be applying pressure?
[22:55] <yggdrasil> well i couldnt get it to work.
[22:55] <yggdrasil> jsut stayed at the desktop manager background screen
[22:55] <onca> I was thinking of supporting a lcd on one alone.
[22:55] <yggdrasil> openbox is pretty sweet
[22:56] <yggdrasil> i have the very first macbook pro
[22:56] <yggdrasil> trying to squeeze every last drop out of it.
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[22:56] <yggdrasil> JK-47: wasup dood
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[22:57] <JK-47> yo
[22:58] <yggdrasil> ltns
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[23:02] <BCMM> onca: probably don't try to physically support things on the gpio...
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[23:03] <BCMM> you can get some standoffs and make a sorta ghetto HAT with a piece of plastic though
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[23:03] <onca> I'm trying to work around a case I already stuck to the thing.
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[23:33] <tommy``> there is a way to open and view the content of a link (a jpg) on terminal?
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[23:38] <onca> w3m-img is rumored to display images in terminal but I've yet to see it.
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[23:38] <onca> maybe I'll try it.
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[23:41] <JK-47> feh or display will
[23:41] <JK-47> curl http://whatever | display
[23:41] <onca> oh, from the terminal in an xsession.
[23:41] <onca> yah, feh is small and effective.
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[23:49] <tommy``> ok trying
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[23:50] <tommy``> feh doesn't working
[23:50] <tommy``> feh ERROR: Can't open X display. It *is* running, yeah?
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