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IRC Log for 2018-11-27

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[3:10] <geekodour08> I am setting up a motor using GPIO.setup(27, GPIO.OUT) and I starting it using GPIO.output(27, 1). it's working fine. but how do I check if the motor is on or off? do I have to reassign setup()?
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[4:30] <nsk_nyc> hello there, is it possible to connect to raspi serial console with a usb -> rs232 cable? it uses a prolific 2303 chip
[4:30] <nsk_nyc> Can I just connect the pins out of the db9 side to the pi?
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[4:33] <friendofafriend> nsk_nyc: Nope, you need a 3.3V UART adapter.
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[4:35] <nsk_nyc> Alright thanks, I was curious because I went through the datasheet for the chip and it says it outputs 3.3 max
[4:35] <DanielTheFox> serial uses +/- 12V
[4:35] <DanielTheFox> which will fry your RPi
[4:36] <CyberManifest> how about 9V ?
[4:36] <CyberManifest> @ 3 amp
[4:36] <DanielTheFox> it was designed back when chip makers didn't know how to feed a CPU with a single +5V DC power supply
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[4:36] <BenderRodriguez> is it possible to put a resistor
[4:36] <BenderRodriguez> between the serial pin out
[4:36] <BenderRodriguez> and the pi?
[4:37] <nsk_nyc> Yes I suspected that. Thanks. Would probably have to run it through another max, but at that point its just cheaper to buy a usb to ttl
[4:37] <DanielTheFox> BenderRodriguez: nope
[4:37] <DanielTheFox> it's TTL 3.3V
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[4:37] <DanielTheFox> while the serial port is positive/negative
[4:37] <DanielTheFox> you must somehow bias the serial port so it produces 0V to 24V
[4:38] <DanielTheFox> then, you can do whatever you need to make it 0V to 3.3V
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[4:38] <DanielTheFox> 5V will still fry the UART, don't be lazy
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[4:38] <DanielTheFox> nsk_nyc: that's what I'm thinking to do actually
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[4:39] <nsk_nyc> @danielthefox wait wait, but this usb to db9 doesn't pump out 24 v though
[4:39] <DanielTheFox> buy two USB RS232 adapters and a full null modem cable, and use them to make two computers
[4:39] <nsk_nyc> interesting
[4:39] <DanielTheFox> make two computers talk
[4:39] <DanielTheFox> without ethernet
[4:40] <DanielTheFox> nsk_nyc: nope, it uses +/. 12V
[4:40] <DanielTheFox> +/-*
[4:40] <DanielTheFox> but if you were going to convert that to 0V/3.3V, you *may* need to bias that first
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[4:40] <DanielTheFox> so it goes 0V to 24V
[4:40] <nsk_nyc> Ah, hmm I don't live anywhere where I could get a ttl to usb quickly
[4:40] <DanielTheFox> I don't know if it's necessary
[4:40] <nsk_nyc> I could go with building it
[4:40] <DanielTheFox> or if it's feasible/possible
[4:41] <DanielTheFox> a 24V range is enough to make you jump if you touch the cables directly
[4:41] <nsk_nyc> I have a couple of lm317's that I could use
[4:41] <DanielTheFox> I wouldn't want to play with that stuff
[4:41] <nsk_nyc> if voltage and bias are the only issues then it shouldn't be easier
[4:42] <nsk_nyc> the rest is just serial com am I correct?
[4:42] <DanielTheFox> they should be compatible otherwise, yes
[4:42] <DanielTheFox> this way I said is just a lazy way, I have little experience with electronics
[4:42] <nsk_nyc> I was just curious if it would work out of the box. I know of older serial devices just wasn't sure of these newer usb to db9 cables
[4:42] <DanielTheFox> I just say an idea I had while I was here, and I don't know how easy is this to do
[4:43] <DanielTheFox> or if it will work without blowing up your computer
[4:43] <nsk_nyc> its ok sir, i'm always happy to hear ideas
[4:43] <nsk_nyc> I have the tools here at home
[4:43] <DanielTheFox> if you use two RPi computers, things can't get easier
[4:44] <DanielTheFox> make them talk directly, just cross the Tx/Rx cables over
[4:44] <nsk_nyc> I searched online about rpi and rs232 cables and only saw stuff about rpi communicating with printers etc
[4:44] <DanielTheFox> i guess that was the intended use for the UART anyway
[4:44] <nsk_nyc> but I wanted to connect to console
[4:44] <nsk_nyc> Right
[4:45] <nsk_nyc> Thanks for the ideas though, going to test out the cable and see if I can pull this off
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> nsk_nyc: also, make sure your serial port on the other side can do 115200 baud, that's the default speed on RPi's UART
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> my 486 can't go over 9600 baud :p
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> it uses the older UART that couldn't go over that
[4:45] <nsk_nyc> yes according to the chip in the usb->db9(rs232) it can handle that easily
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> ok, nice
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> then there you go
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> do it at your own risk
[4:46] <DanielTheFox> I just gave an idea
[4:46] <nsk_nyc> no worries :)
[4:46] <DanielTheFox> (don't forget to credit me tho, in case it works)
[4:46] <nsk_nyc> hahaha
[4:46] <DanielTheFox> :P
[4:46] <nsk_nyc> will do screenshot :P
[4:47] <nsk_nyc> now i have something to play with during winter days
[4:47] <DanielTheFox> my Pentium 4 has two DB9 serial ports, I'd be glad to hear if my idea worked, so I can do the same with my RPi and my Pentium 4 computer
[4:47] <nsk_nyc> wow that's an oldie
[4:47] <nsk_nyc> ok definitely need to be careful with the db9 ports on those
[4:48] <nsk_nyc> the cable I was referring to is a usb cable
[4:48] <DanielTheFox> test with multimeter
[4:48] <DanielTheFox> do your equations
[4:48] <nsk_nyc> usb only pumps out 5 v so I assume the chip in it has some voltage regulator
[4:48] <DanielTheFox> and most likely a boost converter too
[4:48] <nsk_nyc> right
[4:48] <DanielTheFox> so it can output the +/- 12V
[4:48] <nsk_nyc> +/- as in alternating?
[4:49] <DanielTheFox> yes
[4:49] <DanielTheFox> AFAIK, high = +12V
[4:49] <nsk_nyc> damn I haven't seen that haha
[4:49] <DanielTheFox> low = -12V
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[4:49] <nsk_nyc> well I can run the + and gnd through a full bridge rectifier
[4:49] <nsk_nyc> just a couple of diodes
[4:49] <DanielTheFox> ok, cool
[4:49] <nsk_nyc> and get dc out
[4:50] <nsk_nyc> sounds fun already ;p
[4:50] <DanielTheFox> I was thinking about biasing the alternating +/- 12V
[4:50] <DanielTheFox> so I get direct 0/24V
[4:50] <nsk_nyc> hmm
[4:50] <DanielTheFox> then regulate/resist that down to 3.3V
[4:50] <nsk_nyc> I know for sure you can just get a couple of diodes and get 12v dc out
[4:50] <DanielTheFox> ok
[4:50] <nsk_nyc> you can then boost it
[4:51] <DanielTheFox> throwing negative voltages is "easy"
[4:51] <nsk_nyc> as you wish or use something like a lm317 to limit voltage 5<
[4:51] <DanielTheFox> just reverse the polarity
[4:51] <DanielTheFox> but I don't know how that works on fast devices like the serial port
[4:51] <DanielTheFox> whatever
[4:52] <DanielTheFox> tell me once you get it working
[4:52] <nsk_nyc> haha sure
[4:52] <DanielTheFox> you may write a schematic
[4:52] <DanielTheFox> and I'll get the necessary pieces
[4:52] <DanielTheFox> so I can do it myself too
[4:52] <DanielTheFox> I'll just sit down here
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[4:53] <CyberManifest> I've asked in #retropie and #raspbian and haven't gotten a response in over 30 min so I'll ask here; how do you configure a dual shock PS3 controller in retropie; it was working with a USB flash image, but when I try a fresh install on an existing system it wants to map Page Up and Page Down and is missing many of the normal like x, y, thumb, etc. even missing hotkey; so how do I get them back to configure?
[4:54] <nsk_nyc> ugh
[4:54] <nsk_nyc> you may need to get the list of controller maps for that
[4:55] <nsk_nyc> I don't use retropi, just assuming based on what I've had to deal with in emulators and such
[4:55] <CyberManifest> nsk_nyc: I have the controller maps... but that's not the issue, the issue is the interface doesn't even give me the option to set the missing buttons that are usually available
[4:55] <nsk_nyc> Ah damn I see.
[4:56] <CyberManifest> and it's trying to map Page Up and Page Down, which is odd
[4:57] <CyberManifest> I tryed mapping even after maping keyboard and still same
[4:58] <CyberManifest> works fine from the flashed USB setup, but I'm wanting to put it on my SSD setup
[4:58] <CyberManifest> makes me feel it's a package issue upstream
[4:58] <nsk_nyc> It seems to be that way. There's something already configured in the usb image
[4:59] <CyberManifest> yup, which should be in the packages also
[4:59] <friendofafriend> CyberManifest: Retropie decided to make a custom hid-sony module.
[5:00] <friendofafriend> You can find a reference to it here. https://retropie.org.uk/2018/04/retropie-4-4-is-released/
[5:00] <CyberManifest> see like on this screen: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oa0JtIyhNAE/maxresdefault.jpg I'm missing the X and Y option
[5:01] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: and for my other controllers?
[5:01] <nsk_nyc> yes this definitely has to do with mapping
[5:01] <nsk_nyc> oh wait this happens with other controllers as well?
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[5:03] <CyberManifest> nsk_nyc: all controllers
[5:04] <CyberManifest> nsk_nyc: but not on the working setup
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[5:05] <CyberManifest> I thought Git was supposed to be a version-control system for tracking changes in computer files and coordinating work on those files among multiple people; so why do the packages setup not match the flash image setup?
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[5:07] <nsk_nyc> Usually binary distributions are behind git pr's
[5:07] <friendofafriend> CyberManifest: If you're looking through the RetroPie github, you probably need to set the version as a tag.
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[5:07] <nsk_nyc> something must have changed in the later versions
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[5:07] <nsk_nyc> check and see if there's a bug with that specific one and download a earlier one
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[5:07] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: no, I'm just using the setup script that they have on their website that fetches from git
[5:08] <nsk_nyc> or perhaps an nightly
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[5:08] <CyberManifest> doubtful if it's their Official setup script
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[5:09] <friendofafriend> You're talking about https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup ?
[5:10] <CyberManifest> from https://retropie.org.uk/docs/Manual-Installation/ ... "git clone --depth=1 https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup.git"
[5:10] <CyberManifest> sudo ./retropie_setup.sh
[5:11] <friendofafriend> Yep, that's official.
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[5:13] <CyberManifest> no one else reported issue, so it's gotta be something I'm doing wrong, or a botched update maybe?
[5:14] <CyberManifest> the whole "Page Up" "Page Down" is weird
[5:15] <friendofafriend> RetroPie seems to really have the hots for SixAxis controllers.
[5:15] <CyberManifest> ok, I may have found my culprit... https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/9gsr11/xbox_configuration_not_enough_buttons/
[5:15] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: except mine :(
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[5:17] <friendofafriend> They have a whole repo for just that one controller.
[5:17] <friendofafriend> https://github.com/RetroPie/sixad
[5:18] <friendofafriend> And I'm sure they're doing all kinds of goofy stuff with that particular controller.
[5:18] <friendofafriend> I was talking to a fellow about the SixAxis on RetroPie just a little while ago. I think he got it working by Bluetooth pretty easily.
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[5:21] <friendofafriend> Might ask tommy`` how he got it working, he's usually up in a few hours.
[5:22] <yu99ie> Who is tommy?
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[5:23] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: my N64 USB controller isn't working either though, Like I said before this is happening to ALL controllers even my keyboard
[5:23] <friendofafriend> A guy who got his SixAxis controller working under RetroPie a couple days ago, which is the exact problem causing CyberManifest some grief.
[5:25] <friendofafriend> CyberManifest: Do you have jstest?
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[5:28] <CyberManifest> friendofafriend: the controllers work fine, when I use the USB Flash Image setup on the same system, but if I unplug them and plug my SSD back in with the existing Raspbian Lite install that's where I have issue
[5:29] <CyberManifest> might have to do: sudo ./retroarch-joyconfig -j 0 >> /opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch.cfg
[5:29] <CyberManifest> from /opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/
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[5:34] <CyberManifest> well I would if the file was there
[5:35] <CyberManifest> that might be the problem, or that guide/information is old :/
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[7:29] <nuxil> Hi.. is the gpio only used for low speed stuff? would it be possible to make a sata driver using the gpio? or is it too slow, but i assume the answer is no. right?
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[7:29] <Habbie> nuxil, -if- you could do it, it would be way, way slower than the usb or the sd
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[7:30] <Habbie> nuxil, and i doubt you could do it
[7:30] <nuxil> are you sure.. dosent sata have like a min requirement of 1.5mbps or something. ?
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[7:31] <nuxil> my best bet i guess. is a usb to sata convertor.
[7:31] <nuxil> like.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-2-5-SATA-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Cable-SATA-to-USB-3-0-Converter-Black-N3/122242209904?hash=item1c76341870:g:nnoAAOSwA3dYUA-w:rk:2:pf:0
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[7:34] <friendofafriend> Still SATA by USB, but a neat form factor. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2073955313/pidrive-low-power-msata-ssd-for-the-raspberry-pi
[7:35] <nuxil> oh. nice.. now we are talking. :D
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[7:36] <nuxil> wow. kind of expensive
[7:36] <nuxil> $49,321 vs 4$ on bay.. usb to sata converter
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[7:40] <friendofafriend> They're pricy, this place has them in stock for $80. https://www.fabtolab.com/pi-drive-raspberry-pi
[7:44] <nuxil> They're pricy .. yes. overprized.. they have less hw than the pi itself and cost more than a pi :p
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[7:50] <nuxil> friendofafriend, im reading on that page. "Can My Pi Boot From The PiDrive?" this is basically what i want to do.. make my pi boot from a sata drive. instead of the sdcard.
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[7:50] <nuxil> dosent that mean i can also just use a cheap ass usb-sata adaptor?
[7:50] <nuxil> and how do i go about setting my pi up for such a ting.. any guides?
[7:52] <nuxil> nm
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[7:59] <CyberManifest> I'm using mSATA SSD with my Pi... using Element14's Pi Desktop Package (Includes Expansion HAT for mSATA drive)
[8:00] <CyberManifest> My storage: https://imgur.com/oZhr8OS
[8:02] <CyberManifest> https://www.element14.com/community/dtss-images/uploads/devtool/diagram/large/Pi_Desktop__Convert_your_Raspberry_Pi_into_a_Desktop_PC.png?v=1534348781
[8:02] <CyberManifest> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-83477?ICID=spotlight-result-designcenter
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[8:34] <naftilos76> hi, i am trying to delete a .git dir so that i can start over with "rm -rf .git" but i keep getting "rm: cannot remove" . I do not see anything keeping the files locked or something. I do have permissions. I even tried by typing commands as su.
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[8:40] <naftilos76> it seems that i can edit files but cannot delete files in my project files
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[8:40] <naftilos76> permissions are correct
[8:40] <naftilos76> what on earth?
[8:42] <naftilos76> ok i found the problem
[8:42] <xacktm> tried `rm -f`?
[8:43] <xacktm> maybe you have folders
[8:43] <xacktm> (sub-folders)
[8:43] <xacktm> `rm -rf` I mean
[8:43] <xacktm> note: that is a powerful and thus dangerous command
[8:44] <naftilos76> xacktm: i was in /media/pi/... instead of /home/pi/...
[8:45] <naftilos76> I can do whatever i wish in /home/pi/...
[8:45] <naftilos76> but not in /media/pi/...
[8:45] <naftilos76> i am not sure why
[8:45] <xacktm> oh idk
[8:46] <xacktm> (and oops I misread - you already did try that command)
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[9:00] <nsk_nyc> @naftilos76 So you did a sudo rm -rf ?
[9:01] <nsk_nyc> ha sorry didn't read farther in
[9:02] <naftilos76> nsk_nyc: yes i did but that was not the problem , the problem was that i was in /media/pi/...
[9:02] <nsk_nyc> you can't write to media pi, not enough permissions
[9:02] <nsk_nyc> its usually saved for mounted devices
[9:02] <naftilos76> nsk_nyc: yep, did not know that
[9:02] <nsk_nyc> if the device is mounted as read only
[9:02] <naftilos76> thanks though
[9:02] <nsk_nyc> sure
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[9:11] <tommy``> hi hello all!
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[10:48] <exo-squad> would a pi 0w be good to use as a openvpn server?
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[10:49] <Habbie> exo-squad, depending on your performance needs, sure
[10:49] <exo-squad> i have no idea what that means.
[10:49] <Habbie> i'm not sure the 0w could push 100mbit over ethernet with openvpn
[10:49] <exo-squad> i want to setup a vpn so i can use my parents ip address and watch their paid TV service with my own device..
[10:50] <Habbie> or, put differently, it would work but it could be too slow
[10:50] <Habbie> ok, that sounds like 10 megabits per second
[10:50] <Habbie> if i have to guess, that would work
[10:50] <exo-squad> its just forwarding traffic though right? or is it handling all the traffic?
[10:50] <Habbie> openvpn, by default, also does encryption
[10:50] <exo-squad> i dont need any encryption
[10:50] <Habbie> then look at disabling that, or use something other than openvpn
[10:51] <exo-squad> habbie, openvpn was one of the most suggest on my google searches
[10:51] <exo-squad> what do you recommend?
[10:51] <Habbie> i don't have a recommendation, i always use openvpn
[10:51] <exo-squad> i haave a pi2 and old pi3
[10:51] <Habbie> so here's what i would do
[10:51] <Habbie> set it up with openvpn
[10:51] <Habbie> see if it works
[10:51] <Habbie> if it works, good
[10:51] <Habbie> if it is too slow, look at alternatives
[10:51] <exo-squad> i gotta set it up here i guess. use raspbian lite right?
[10:52] <exo-squad> i also have options to use a full windows 10 machine
[10:52] <Habbie> i'd use raspbian lite, yes
[10:53] <exo-squad> but idont wanna tie up their computer with something like that.. well its my moms compujter she never ever uses..
[10:54] <Habbie> pi 0w makes sense then
[10:54] <Habbie> small, cheap
[10:54] <exo-squad> yeah, and i can power it off the TV box's usb port :D
[10:55] <Habbie> likely
[10:55] <exo-squad> oh that usb port gives a good 1a
[10:55] <exo-squad> ive used those boxes to charge my phone
[10:56] <exo-squad> it literally has no use, other then pluggin in a keyboard for your cable box which i also did.. didnt have a use really
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[11:29] <exo-squad> using a pi 0 or a pi 0w doesnt matter right if i use a ethernet usb thing?
[11:30] <Habbie> exo-squad, shouldn't matter indeed
[11:30] <exo-squad> i have a bunch of pi0s and only 2 0ws
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[11:34] <exo-squad> and a vpn server isnt handling the bandwidth. its just forwarding traffic right?
[11:34] <Habbie> uhm
[11:35] <Habbie> it has to handle the bandwidth
[11:35] <Habbie> twice
[11:35] <Habbie> that's what forwarding is
[11:36] <exo-squad> its probably took late for me to being doing this 4:35 am
[11:36] <exo-squad> i think im using the rigght words..
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[11:49] <exo-squad> now lets see if netflix will stream successfully...
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[12:07] <exo-squad> got it working on ip over LTE but not on android over a different LTE
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[12:14] <exo-squad> oh i got it, they were both trying to use the same ip
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[13:07] <g105b> I want to be able to control as many individual LEDs on strips as possible. Would anyone be able to give me advice on the approach I should take? Multiple Raspberry Pis? Maybe Pi isn't suitable?
[13:09] <g105b> Currently I have LED strips arranged in grids, so there is a 32x64 grid of LEDs to control. There is a proprietary board doing it currently, but I want to be able to do it myself with a Pi. Asking here first in case anyone has some good insight.
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[13:11] <Habbie> g105b, i see various ways in which this could work with a single pi
[13:11] <Habbie> g105b, do you know what the grid expects in terms of protocol?
[13:12] <g105b> Habbie: I am going to have to reverse engineer it, but the strips have microprocessors onboard, and there is also a driver board that comes with the strips, so I expect / hope this to be simple serial data.
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[13:12] <Habbie> ah
[13:13] <g105b> I would be happy in getting rid of the driver board if I can work out how to control each strip individually. All looks very simple electronics.
[13:14] <chris_99> how type of strips
[13:15] <chris_99> are they
[13:15] <chris_99> *what type
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[13:43] <whodat> anyone know how to get bluetooth headset buttons to function with mpg123 ?
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[13:50] <chris_99> shiftplusone: are you about per chance just wondering does 'console=serial0,115200' get set programmatically somewhere in pi-gen
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[13:51] <chris_99> i seem to have a text file called cmdline.txt but changing that didn't seem to work
[13:52] <chris_99> sorry got it - stage2/01-sys-tweaks/00-patches/07-resize-init.diff
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[14:26] <whodat> how do i get buttons to function in bluetooth to work with mpg123?
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[14:31] <Khaytsus> Break it up into pieces... Get the button event into the pi somehow. Figure out how to control mpg123 via script. Tie the two together. None of this has much to do with a pi however.
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[14:33] <chris_99> looks like you can control it with a named pipe
[14:35] <DanielTheFox> I think I'll get one of those 3G/4G USB cards
[14:35] <DanielTheFox> for my RPi
[14:35] <g105b> chris_99, Habbie: Here is a photo of the LED strip microcontroller. Trying to find a datasheet for this. https://imgur.com/a/9HDOfuS
[14:36] <Habbie> g105b, how many of those?
[14:36] <chris_99> cool, try and grab the number
[14:36] <chris_99> from the chip
[14:36] <chris_99> i can't read it alas
[14:37] <g105b> Habbie: there are 128 of those chips in the setup I've got currently.
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[14:37] <g105b> ICN2028AP
[14:37] <DanielTheFox> if I get one, I'll just put some initial credit on it, then I'll barely add some credits so that they don't pull off my phone number and registration, but since I'll have zero credits almost always, I'll rely mostly on iodine on doing the connections for me... it looks like Telcel (my favorite phone ISP) won't block DNS requests if you run out of credits, so I can have internet
[14:37] <whodat> yeah im not good at coding however i was able to run a python script that showed me that the buttons actually are sending signals when pressed, im just unsure how to tie their actions.. i was hoping someone here already has tried this and figured out a way..
[14:38] <Habbie> might be this one ? https://store.comet.bg/download-file.php?id=14196
[14:38] <whodat> Event type 1, code 165, value 0 at 1543319877.918413
[14:38] <whodat> this is what reading im getting in a python script when a button is pushed
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[14:41] <DanielTheFox> I think I'll get a new text browser sooner or later, ELinks doesn't seem to support that new SSL encryption (that one that breaks on old Chrome 49)
[14:41] <g105b> Habbie: I didn't think so, because on my microprocessor it says "CHIPONE" and that manufacturer is "StartChip"... maybe they are the same company?
[14:42] <Habbie> g105b, google gives this as the top hit for the icn2028ap, so maybe some website is linking to it with that name
[14:42] <Habbie> g105b, it appears to make sense
[14:42] <g105b> ok I'll give it a read, I had disregarded it at first.
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[14:55] <mlelstv> www.starchips.com.tw in Hsin-Chu vs. www.chiponeic.com in Bejing
[14:56] <DanielTheFox> ohh, those old-school patriots would say "ehh, support your people, not the chinese"
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[14:57] <DanielTheFox> hence why I don't care anymore where I get my stuff from
[14:57] <DanielTheFox> as long as it's a nice product
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[14:58] <mlelstv> you could probably get similar chips from TI or ST.
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[19:17] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[19:50] <DanielTheFox> hmm, who happens to know how to measure the power consumption from a power bank?
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[19:50] <DanielTheFox> uhh
[19:50] <DanielTheFox> mixed up things, I'll ask...
[19:50] <chris_99> from usb --> pi?
[19:50] <DanielTheFox> who knows how to mea--
[19:50] <DanielTheFox> yes
[19:50] <chris_99> sec
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[19:50] <chris_99> i have UM25C
[19:50] <Habbie> there are small things that look like usb sticks that you can put in between
[19:50] <Habbie> that can do that
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[19:51] <chris_99> which is bt enabled , and measures the power
[19:51] <Habbie> yes, like the UM25C
[19:51] <Habbie> oh BT is nice, hadn't seen that before
[19:51] <DanielTheFox> I want one with a display or something
[19:51] <chris_99> i got it working on linux with that using some RE work someone else had done
[19:51] <chris_99> yeah it has a display
[19:51] <chris_99> too
[19:51] <Habbie> DanielTheFox, like the UM25C?
[19:51] <DanielTheFox> that gives me immediate feedback of power consumption
[19:51] <DanielTheFox> hmm, probably
[19:51] <DanielTheFox> are these cheap?
[19:51] <Habbie> first hit i got on amazon is $30
[19:51] <chris_99> https://www.elektormagazine.com/news/review-the-um25c-usb-tester-with-color-lcd-and-bluetooth
[19:51] <Habbie> i bet it can be had for half from china
[19:51] <Habbie> i've seen $5 variants without the BT
[19:52] <Habbie> from a local store here in .nl
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[19:53] <DanielTheFox> new cause of heartburn: sitting your encased (and badly vented) RPi 3 B+ on your tummy
[19:53] <Tenkawa> DanielTheFox: that can be bad if its warm....
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[19:54] <DanielTheFox> core temperature: 60°C
[19:54] <DanielTheFox> real case temperature = ~45°C
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[19:55] <Tenkawa> my a+ is runninig at 58.0 atm running 6 cc jobs at 1250 mhz
[19:55] <Tenkawa> I like my case and venting :)
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[19:56] <Tenkawa> I'm compiling a kernel currently
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[19:56] <chris_99> one of my pis got the nice little thermal icon t'other day
[19:56] <chris_99> around 82C or so
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[19:57] <Tenkawa> ouch
[19:58] <DanielTheFox> that's really bad
[19:58] <chris_99> and one did cut out, i wonder if it was due to heat, but haven't verified that
[19:58] <DanielTheFox> you'll void warranty that way
[19:58] <DanielTheFox> but hey
[19:58] <DanielTheFox> what's that warranty bit useful for?
[19:58] <chris_99> i'd be suprised if it permanently damages them
[19:59] <DanielTheFox> do they actually make refunds and replacements for defective units?
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[19:59] <chris_99> not sure
[19:59] <DanielTheFox> I thought they had zero warranty
[20:00] <DanielTheFox> man
[20:00] <DanielTheFox> this SDRAM heatsink burns
[20:00] <DanielTheFox> I think I'll do some undervolting and underclocking settings
[20:00] <chris_99> haha
[20:01] <chris_99> what version of pi is this
[20:01] <DanielTheFox> 3 B+
[20:01] <chris_99> ah yeah that's what i was using too
[20:01] <chris_99> they do get hot
[20:01] <DanielTheFox> I already underclocked it to 200MHz-600MHz
[20:01] <DanielTheFox> and overvolting is -2
[20:01] <DanielTheFox> minus two
[20:01] <DanielTheFox> SDRAM is running 100 MHz to 300 MHz
[20:02] <DanielTheFox> but it's not undervolted
[20:02] <Tenkawa> got a 3a+ yet?
[20:02] <DanielTheFox> nop
[20:02] <Tenkawa> they are fun
[20:02] <DanielTheFox> this is my first Pi
[20:02] <chris_99> 3a+?
[20:02] <Tenkawa> yep
[20:02] <chris_99> i didn't know there was one
[20:02] <waveform> thermal throttling won't void the warranty, and shouldn't harm the Pi either
[20:02] <Tenkawa> released last week
[20:03] <chris_99> intriguing
[20:03] <waveform> (obviously it doesn't do much for performance, but that's about it)
[20:03] <DanielTheFox> even the bare PCB looks cute on the 3 B+
[20:03] <chris_99> ah 1/2 the ram?
[20:04] <chris_99> it does look cute though heh
[20:04] <Tenkawa> 3b+ at 512mb one usb port a+ form factor and a bit less expensive
[20:04] <Tenkawa> 512mb is plenty
[20:04] <Tenkawa> 512mb and swap can do a lot
[20:05] <DanielTheFox> nuuuu
[20:05] <DanielTheFox> no swap!
[20:05] <chris_99> better to avoid swap
[20:05] <waveform> for most things yes - but worth bearing in mind if you're doing camera stuff, the memory split can eat a fairly significant chunk of that 1/2Gb
[20:05] <Tenkawa> true
[20:05] <DanielTheFox> swap on flash storage is doom!
[20:05] * waveform occasionally tests on an old A+ with 256Mb - mostly to see if stuff works on it
[20:05] <chris_99> heh waveform
[20:05] <Tenkawa> DanielTheFox: zram/zswap has made huge improvements
[20:06] <DanielTheFox> oh
[20:06] <DanielTheFox> gonna test it
[20:06] <DanielTheFox> I am using a slow 16 GB USB stick
[20:06] <DanielTheFox> since I don't have any working SD card
[20:07] <Tenkawa> its worth a test
[20:07] <Tenkawa> I find all kinds of tweaks
[20:07] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[20:08] <DanielTheFox> I should do rather extreme undervolting tests
[20:08] <DanielTheFox> so, gtg
[20:08] <Tenkawa> good luck
[20:08] <Tenkawa> be careful
[20:08] <Tenkawa> undervolting isnt good for it either
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[20:10] <waveform> hmm, I really ought to look into zram/zswap for our piwheels builders (the only things that regularly fail now are insane C++ projects with huge build-mem requirements)
[20:11] <Habbie> waveform, you build on physical pi?
[20:11] <Habbie> waveform, did we have the docker conversation before?
[20:11] <waveform> after a fashion; actually a bunch of Mythic's cloud Pis
[20:11] <waveform> and yeah, very likely :)
[20:11] <Habbie> ok :)
[20:11] <waveform> (it comes up every time we mention piwheels runs on Pis)
[20:11] <Habbie> 'cloud pi' is still a real pi?
[20:11] <Habbie> (ha ok)
[20:12] <waveform> yup - Mythic has a few racks of Pi3s that are "rentable" (though they kindly donate the hardware to piwheels)
[20:12] <Habbie> so how does the docker conversation usually resolve?
[20:13] <waveform> usually as "not worth it" when the builders are physically separate from the master anyway, and we're building on raspbian for raspbian
[20:14] <Habbie> right
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[20:14] <Habbie> it would solve the memory pressure issue
[20:14] <waveform> how so?
[20:14] <Habbie> because you can boot raspbian in docker on a beefy amd64 box and give it as much memory as you like
[20:15] <Habbie> note that because of qemu, it's not actually a lot faster than a real pi, except where the memory makes a difference
[20:15] <Tenkawa> Habbie: hey so far this a+ is a fun new box..
[20:15] <Habbie> Tenkawa, the 3? nice
[20:15] <Tenkawa> yeah
[20:16] <Tenkawa> totally worth it
[20:16] <waveform> ahhh, but then we're back to the same old cross-compiling fun. We've already run into some joyful bits of this in the last week when someone found docker reporting aarch64 (on a Pi as well I should note), which broke pip looking up wheels
[20:16] <Tenkawa> the smaller form factor is awesome
[20:16] <Tenkawa> er awesome
[20:16] <Habbie> i have not run into any cross compiling trouble
[20:16] <Habbie> it's not cross compiling
[20:16] <waveform> no, but you're playing in the same ballpark of not *quite* building on the same platform
[20:16] <Habbie> yeah
[20:16] <waveform> now that's find *in theory*, and for nicely setup projects it'll all go well
[20:17] <waveform> but we're building everything on PyPI which is basically the wild-west - there's craaaazy stuff there :)
[20:17] <Habbie> i've had trouble in the past with cross compiling, and with trying to build on 'actual debian armhf'
[20:17] <Habbie> but i haven't had trouble with this approach with actual raspbian running in there
[20:17] <Habbie> but, i'll admit, i haven't tried much beyond powerdns itself
[20:17] <Habbie> and i bet pypi has some weird stuff, yes
[20:17] <waveform> oh yeah - Ben did a talk at PyConUK with some of the madder stuff we've seen
[20:18] <Habbie> docker on pi reporting aarch64 is super weird though
[20:18] <Habbie> assuming the host is armhf
[20:18] <waveform> the most insane was a setup.py script which literally included print("Please install these dependencies, then press Ctrl+C to continue); while True: pass
[20:18] <Habbie> well yes
[20:18] <Habbie> that's a different issue ;)
[20:18] <waveform> (that broke a builder :)
[20:18] <Habbie> root@9a736b2424c3:/# uname -a
[20:18] <Habbie> Linux 9a736b2424c3 4.9.125-linuxkit #1 SMP Fri Sep 7 08:20:28 UTC 2018 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:18] <Habbie> root@9a736b2424c3:/# dpkg --print-architecture
[20:18] <Habbie> armhf
[20:19] <waveform> right, that's reporting armv6l as the arch (or at least that's what pip will use)
[20:19] <Tenkawa> Habbie: my next goal is to start working on arm64
[20:20] <Habbie> Tenkawa, cool
[20:20] <shiftplusone> waveform: mythic have a 'proper' arm server that may be worth asking them about. I think it technically belongs to RPF and plugwash is using it for Raspbian stuff, but maybe they have others.
[20:20] <Habbie> waveform, what does a pi1 report?
[20:20] <waveform> at the moment our cloud pis report armv7l (because they're pi3s) and we "cheat" by renaming (actually symlinking) the resulting wheels to their armv6l counter-parts because the raspbian armv7l arch is actually armv6l under the hood
[20:20] <Tenkawa> want to see if I can make some prpgress on that port
[20:21] <Habbie> waveform, because i presume you're targeting the pi1 so the wheels work everywhere
[20:21] <waveform> shiftplusone, yeah - plugwash has mentioned it at the Manchester Jams before :)
[20:21] <Tenkawa> er progress
[20:21] <Tenkawa> wow my typing is bad today
[20:21] <Habbie> Tenkawa, what port?
[20:21] <waveform> Habbie, yes - we build for all Pis basically (which is a tad tricky with OpenCV as everyone wants NEON on the Pi2/3 so I have to manually build separate Pi0/1 and Pi2/3 wheels for that)
[20:21] <shiftplusone> We ended up getting one for the office for building things like chromium. Maybe Ben could persuade RPF to get one.
[20:22] <Tenkawa> Habbie: raspbian to native arm64
[20:22] <Habbie> waveform, ah
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[20:22] <waveform> frankly for the time being piwheels is working pretty happily on the cloud Pis - our success rate is well over 90% these days
[20:22] <Tenkawa> if it exists already point me please
[20:22] <Tenkawa> I dont see any reference for it
[20:22] <Habbie> waveform, well, i am not one to change a winning team
[20:22] <waveform> the "insane C++" stuff I alluded to earlier doesn't mean C++ generally, but projects where people are abusing the language horribly by making templates for *everything* and things like that
[20:23] <shiftplusone> waveform: you could use the ld.so multiarch trick to use one build to provide libs with and without neon. Then the appropriate lib is automatically loaded based on the path it's in.
[20:23] <waveform> shiftplusone, interesting - I'll look into that
[20:24] <waveform> (my Pi3 is actually discoloured from building OpenCV for days on end :)
[20:24] <Tenkawa> wow thats some heat
[20:24] <Tenkawa> thats why I have fans in mine
[20:24] <Tenkawa> and they actually do help
[20:25] <Tenkawa> c4labs cases and fans
[20:26] <waveform> hang on, I'll a take a side-by-side photo with a normal one
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[20:27] <waveform> https://imgur.com/a/yf9eQoW
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[20:28] <waveform> (you can see it most on the DSI/CSI ports)
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[20:28] <waveform> it still runs happily though
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[20:32] <shiftplusone> Some Retr0bright and it will buff right out >.>
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[20:34] <shiftplusone> I wonder what the pi I've been compiling on for years looks like now. I guess the flirc case saved it.
[20:34] <waveform> heh - I should also note the CSI port on that one is also incredibly loose as it was my picamera dev box for some time (and hence has had the camera module switched on it at least 50+ times), hence why it's now relegated to building duties :)
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[20:56] <johnjay> anybody try running weston or a similar thing in ubuntu on the raspi
[20:56] <johnjay> only to get llvmpipe and no DRI2 access?
[20:56] <johnjay> i'm not clear on how direct rendering works on the pi at all actualy
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[20:58] <friendofafriend> johnjay: https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2016/06/03/running-weston-on-a-raspbian/
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[20:59] <johnjay> thanks friendofafriend. that was very friendly of you
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[21:01] <johnjay> if not i can try raspbian too... if i still have it...
[21:01] <johnjay> i have ubuntu on that sd card but i'll try some of these instructions
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[22:04] <Tenkawa> does the arm cpu/kernel watchdog timer with raspbian have a tuneable to disable autoreboot/panic? I seem to recall it does
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[22:04] <Tenkawa> I keep triggering it I'm pushing one of mine too hard atm
[22:05] <chris_99> i'd be interested to know that too, you mean wrt high temps right?
[22:05] <Tenkawa> no... stuck cpu
[22:05] <Tenkawa> only 60C
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[22:06] <Tenkawa> but the cpu is trying to do way too much at once
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[22:06] <Tenkawa> its intentional... i just dont want it to reboot
[22:07] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: sorry, what do you mean by disable autoreboot? Isn't that the exact job of a watchdog?
[22:07] <shiftplusone> what do you want to happen?
[22:07] <Tenkawa> yes.. I want to disable the watchdog
[22:07] <shiftplusone> oh, it's not enabled by default
[22:07] <Tenkawa> I wasnt sure if there was one
[22:07] <Tenkawa> oh really?
[22:07] <Tenkawa> hmmm..
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[22:07] <shiftplusone> at least not in Raspbian.
[22:07] <Tenkawa> well thats odd
[22:08] <Tenkawa> i must be flaking power
[22:08] <waveform> lightning bolt in the top right?
[22:08] <Tenkawa> mine is headless
[22:08] <shiftplusone> It may turn itself off, but that happens at something like 80C
[22:08] <waveform> ah, there's a register you can check in vcgencmd too - but I forget which one off-hand
[22:08] <shiftplusone> probably higher than that. I don't remember exactly.
[22:08] <shiftplusone> vcgencmd get_throttled
[22:09] <waveform> I think it gets reported in dmesg too - probably worth checking that first
[22:09] <Tenkawa> I think its the power
[22:09] <Tenkawa> I'm way under powering
[22:09] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:10] <Tenkawa> I'm going to put 3a on it now
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[22:10] <waveform> 3b+?
[22:10] <Tenkawa> 3a+
[22:10] <shiftplusone> not sure that will help all that much
[22:10] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: it will vs running off usb 3 port
[22:11] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[22:11] <waveform> ah, same core as the 3b+ though - and that's a thirsty bunny
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[22:16] <Tenkawa> ok
[22:17] <Tenkawa> more power!!!!
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[22:19] <shiftplusone> something something dilithium crystals.
[22:20] <Tenkawa> haaahhaaa
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[22:20] <waveform> lightning bolt = "she cannae take no morrre cap'n!"
[22:20] <Tenkawa> I just finished watching all of ds9 recently
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[22:21] <Bitweasil> If you reroute the flow from the forward plasma conduits to the warp nacelle, we might be able to create a tachyon pulse that we can form with a field from the main deflector dish to power the 3B+ without brownout!
[22:21] <Tenkawa> been watching old sci fi series of my younger days again
[22:21] <Bitweasil> Scotty, we need more power!
[22:21] <Bitweasil> Cap'n, I'm at 5.75V already! She canna' take much more of this!
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[22:22] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:22] <Tenkawa> give it just a milliamp more!!!!!
[22:22] <Tenkawa> thats all it needs
[22:22] <JK-47> I wonder if the creators of ST knew that lithium would end up being a main chemical in batteries in the future. It was a good decade after the original series when the first lithium battery came out.
[22:23] <Bitweasil> Aye, going 'ta 6.00V
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[22:23] <Bitweasil> Probably not. But Star Trek's budget shortfalls certainly shaped the world.
[22:23] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[22:23] <Bitweasil> Apparently they went with the flat screens because they couldn't afford all the switches and toggles they wanted.
[22:24] <Bitweasil> Anyway, I prefer trilithium crystals. They're 50% more lithium than dilithium.
[22:24] <Tenkawa> just think.. batteries need to change all over again to meet our needs
[22:24] <Bitweasil> *shrug* Lead acid solves most problems that need energy storage for a whole lot less energy invested than lithium cells.
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[22:25] <JK-47> But if trilithium is like other triple elements, it's radioactive and will shrink your balls.
[22:26] <Habbie> let's stop the balls talk right there :)
[22:26] <Tenkawa> well the stable power definitely seems to be helping
[22:26] <Tenkawa> imagine that
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[22:32] <Tenkawa> wow working much better
[22:32] <Tenkawa> actually
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[23:22] <barlowg> hi, can a RasPi 3 cope with running Kodi to show live TV when network connected to TVheadend?
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[23:24] <BCMM> barlowg: i haven't tried that specific configuration, but i can't see why it wouldn't work
[23:24] <BCMM> it's certainly quite capable of streaming 1080p video from the network - is there something i'm missing that would generate a lot of extra work on top of doing that?
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[23:25] <friendofafriend> Works fine on a Pi1B+.
[23:26] <hodapp> BCMM: only certain codecs have GPU accel, I thought
[23:26] <mfa298> I think I've watched streams from tvheadend on the early pi1b (streamed from a 3B)
[23:27] <mfa298> was a while ago so I forget how well it worked (although any issues are as likely to be wifi related)
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[23:27] <BCMM> hodapp: that's true, but as i understand it tvheadend can be configured to use various codecs
[23:27] <shiftplusone> It works very well, but some countries broadcast with codecs that the pi has to handle in software.
[23:28] <friendofafriend> tvheadend isn't using the codecs, it's the broadcaster.
[23:28] <barlowg> my plan is to buy a SAT2IP box to bring in 4 sat feeds into one TVheadend server. then use Pi boxes to run as front ends on each TV. the network would be powerline
[23:28] <shiftplusone> tvheadend should just pass the data to kodi/vlc/omxplayer/whatever, unless you're trying to transcode it (don't)
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[23:28] <BCMM> shiftplusone: ah, didn't know there were different codecs in different countries
[23:29] <barlowg> my SAT is pointed at UK freesat to get the free channels only
[23:29] <friendofafriend> Neat, it'll work fine.
[23:29] <shiftplusone> IIRC, Germany is one where you might have issues
[23:29] <shiftplusone> UK should be fine
[23:29] <BCMM> oh right, people are doing h.265 on dvb-t now...
[23:30] <friendofafriend> Does the SAT2IP use unicast or multicast for the streams?
[23:30] <shiftplusone> kodi copes with hevc pretty well, but not 1080p50
[23:31] <hodapp> hmm, wonder what satellite streams I can get from the US...
[23:31] <BCMM> shiftplusone: what about 1080i?
[23:31] <shiftplusone> UK seems to also use MPEG-2, so if performance isn't great, maybe consider buying the codec for it.
[23:32] <hodapp> I haven't bothered much with the local OTA stuff
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[23:32] <shiftplusone> BCMM: I haven't tried, but I think it's playable at about 720p.
[23:32] <barlowg> • Full support of Sat> IP communication protocol • Network protocols: HTTP / HTTPS, DHCP, RTSP
[23:32] <barlowg> that is from the sat2ip manual
[23:32] <BCMM> shiftplusone: i've seen it said that 1080p doesn't work but 720p doesn't, but i reckon most people aren't that interested in i (which is what freesat fullhd streams are, i think)
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[23:34] <BCMM> freesat is "MPEG-4" according to wikipedia (so h.264 probably?)
[23:35] <BCMM> so if it's not transcoded the pi should be able to decode in hw
[23:36] <barlowg> the sat2ip box i plan to buy is Telestar DIGIBIT R1 SAT2IP
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[23:38] <barlowg> do you think a pi 3 would cope with running the TVheadend part to capture the sat2ip and perform PVR functions with powerline network and USB external hard drive or would that be asking too much of a PI 3?
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[23:51] <friendofafriend> Should be fine, barlowg.
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[23:53] <barlowg> thanks, friendofafriend - I will give it a try.
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