#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2018-12-01

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[0:06] <hodapp> Arducam (I think) sells adapters to HDMI. It's not actual HDMI video, it just uses the HDMI cable & connector because it has so many pins.
[0:06] <hodapp> just don't confuse it with your HDMI video
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[0:09] <chris_99> mm heh, yeah i'd have to label it well
[0:10] <hodapp> but the camera is a little less tolerant of hotplugging for instance
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[0:11] <chris_99> mm
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[0:18] * BurtyB finds the camera quite happy to hot plugging, I do it a few 100 times when I test a batch of joiners
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[0:34] <whodat> friendofafriend: cool , im seeing the button press on the console
[0:34] <whodat> seems we are getting somewhere
[0:34] <whodat> my buddy wrote me a .c program also but havent gotten anywhere yet with either
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[0:37] <friendofafriend> whodat: OK, you're seeing the arrow keypress?
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[0:38] <whodat> [ ]
[0:39] <whodat> i set them to brackets
[0:39] <whodat> because those work aswell for track changing and for some reason the arrows was binding to j+ instead of arrows
[0:39] <whodat> but im seeing [ ] on conspy
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[0:41] <whodat> how do we get it from console to /tmp/.mp3.fifo ?
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[0:47] <stiv> foo >/tmp/some.fifo
[0:48] <friendofafriend> So, you're talking about piping the keystrokes into mpg123?
[0:49] <whodat> well i really need it to generate a random *.mp3 from /mp3/ and echo "l /mp3/$random.mp3" >> /tmp/.mp3.fifo
[0:49] <whodat> but im looking at the dumpkeys to see if i can switch it to ^C
[0:49] <whodat> and if so then i might just be able to use that without the fifo..
[0:50] <whodat> -Z will play random mp3 one after another..
[0:50] <whodat> and one ^C will switch to next track..
[0:50] <whodat> but two will kill it completely
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[0:52] <whodat> unless i can get the brackets to go into the mpg123 and have it switch like that.. i guess the brackets would be safer and not kill the process
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[0:52] <whodat> thanks for the help btw
[0:52] <friendofafriend> You're welcome, whodat. It's no problem.
[0:53] <friendofafriend> So, the loadkeys command with the word "Right" was the one that ended up sending a right arrow key?
[0:53] <whodat> na i wasnt able to get that one i swapped it to bracketleft
[0:53] <whodat> and bracketright
[0:54] <whodat> which are working and sending [ ]
[0:54] <friendofafriend> I think "Control_c" would be the one you could use.
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[0:54] <whodat> seems that the PLAY/PAUSE button is the only one that really is working tho.. which would still be ok i really only need one function = next song
[0:55] <whodat> are you sure?
[0:55] <whodat> keycode 58 = CtrlL_Lock
[0:55] <whodat> i was thinking maybe it would just be CtrlC
[0:55] <whodat> but.. again as i said before the brackets are prob safer
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[0:55] <whodat> how to get it from the console into the mpg123 tho is the next prob
[0:57] <whodat> unless i run it from the console
[0:57] <whodat> then maybe it would work
[0:57] <whodat> lemme try that
[0:57] <whodat> oh wow
[0:57] <whodat> works
[0:57] <whodat> haha
[0:58] <friendofafriend> Neat-o!
[0:58] <whodat> all buttons work!
[0:58] <whodat> my buddy gonna be mad
[0:59] <whodat> he made me a .c for this
[0:59] <whodat> heh
[0:59] <whodat> just havent figured out how to get it to work yet
[0:59] <whodat> So i have to have the loadkeys re-exec after boot?
[1:00] <friendofafriend> Yep, you can also use dumpkeys to make an alternative keymapping.
[1:00] <whodat> okay
[1:00] <whodat> awesome
[1:01] <whodat> dumpkeys >> dumpkeys && loadkeys dumpkeys ?
[1:02] <whodat> now i need to figure out how to get the console to run the mpg123 upon boot
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[1:11] <friendofafriend> There's a "Console Autologin" option in raspi-config.
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[1:12] <friendofafriend> And from there, you could just add the command to the end of ~/.profile.
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[1:17] <whodat> how can i tell what autologin has changed by looking at files? it said auto login as '' user
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[1:20] <tavasiay> is anyone having trouble annotating on the picamera
[1:20] <tavasiay> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2aJwQMMD/
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[1:21] <friendofafriend> whodat: You might want to make another user just for autologin, but it's up to you.
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[1:24] <whodat> what Class should raspberry pi 0 w have in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf ?
[1:25] <whodat> mine keeps changing at boot and will connect fine to devices but not stream sound thru
[1:25] <whodat> and it appears to override the main.conf's
[1:26] <whodat> hm
[1:26] <whodat> Raspbian GNU/Linux 9 raspberrypi tty1
[1:26] <whodat> raspberrypi login: --noclear (automatic login)
[1:26] <whodat> thats what i see when i run conspy
[1:26] <whodat> and no prompt
[1:26] <friendofafriend> Bluetooth can be ten pounds of worms in a five pound bag, sometimes. Did you restart the Pi?
[1:27] <whodat> yea
[1:27] <whodat> how can i tell where the change went for autologin
[1:27] <whodat> i think it has no user set to auto login but is set to auto login with blank user lol
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[1:30] <whodat> another reboot fixed it
[1:30] <whodat> lol
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[1:33] <friendofafriend> Hooray! Sounds like you're pretty darn close to something that'll work for your rides.
[1:34] <whodat> hell yea
[1:34] <whodat> appreciate ya
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[1:41] <friendofafriend> No problems, whodat! Always happy to help.
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[1:50] <NeoThermic> alright, so I'm totally stumped. Got a new Pi3 B+ and the 7" touchscreen. I've followed various guides on how to connect that up properly, everything seems to be in working order, but I can't get the Pi to actually output anything to the display (I've confirmed the Pi itself is working as I got raspbian installed and connected the HDMI up to see the desktop). I've run the update & upgrade commands, still nothing. This is some basic
[1:50] <NeoThermic> output I've been able to get from the commandline: https://gist.github.com/AshleyPinner/12a5658e2d68c4b0360f68a060cb0de5 - any help would be amazing as I sorta expected this just to be plug & play, and so far it's plug & frustrate :D
[1:55] <NeoThermic> visual confirmation that connections are made properly: https://photos.app.goo.gl/F1WUPaKhi7ypz8b49
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[2:03] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Wow, what a neat display. Where did you purchase it?
[2:05] <NeoThermic> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014WKCFR4/ was where I got it
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[2:07] <friendofafriend> Are you using the latest Raspbian?
[2:10] <NeoThermic> yep, I did the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[2:11] <friendofafriend> Do you have the latest firmware installed, also? (Via rpi-update.)
[2:11] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, https://gist.github.com/AshleyPinner/12a5658e2d68c4b0360f68a060cb0de5 updated with the apt-get output and a cat /etc/os-version
[2:12] <NeoThermic> ooh, trying that...
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[2:14] <friendofafriend> It's strange you have no output from loading that module in your dmesg. Did you add "ignore_lcd=0" to /boot/config.txt ?
[2:14] <NeoThermic> no, lets try that!
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[2:15] <NeoThermic> herp, I really need to get out of the habit of -h on my shutdowns when I mean to -r for the reboot :D
[2:16] <friendofafriend> It might be good to power down completely, anyway.
[2:17] <NeoThermic> yep, but no dice still
[2:18] <friendofafriend> When you modprobe rpi-ft5406, is there still no information in dmesg?
[2:18] <NeoThermic> yep, empty as the streets at 3am
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[2:19] <NeoThermic> that being said, it doesn't quite like my voltages. I ponder if that might be it. Let me try powering the display with it's own cable, and unplugging the GPIO power connection
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[2:20] <friendofafriend> What sort of power supply are you using?
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[2:21] <NeoThermic> https://gist.github.com/AshleyPinner/b44c1ddd1e6a1d027fec8addeadd17d2
[2:21] <NeoThermic> the official 5V 3A one
[2:25] <NeoThermic> alright, lets try this with the rpi powered from a different PSU than the screen, with the red/black disconnected on the GPIO
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[2:26] <NeoThermic> still no screen, but no voltage complaints either, so half success? :|
[2:28] <NeoThermic> really tempted to send this back, as it's just not working in any sense of working
[2:28] <NeoThermic> if the OS can't see it, then it's clearly not responding correctly over the data connection :\
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[2:29] <friendofafriend> Those ribbon cables can be a little funny, are the connections secure?
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[2:30] <NeoThermic> yep. I even re-checked the ones that the display came connected with
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[2:34] <NeoThermic> https://www.modmypi.com/blog/raspberry-pi-7-touch-screen-assembly-guide using this I've re-checked everything
[2:37] <friendofafriend> What happens when you do a "sudo i2cdetect -y 1"?
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[2:38] <NeoThermic> Error: Could not open file `/dev/i2c-1' or `/dev/i2c/1': No such file or directory
[2:39] <NeoThermic> hmm, that sounds like I need more config options
[2:40] <friendofafriend> You're powering the display board with a separate power supply?
[2:41] <NeoThermic> narp, I've returned it to the rpi power via the header pins
[2:41] <jarod> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_idVXgEUjQQ
[2:44] <NeoThermic> ooh, during boot there was a breif flash from the screen, but then it went away. dmesg gives no power related messages
[2:44] <whodat> friendofafriend : btw here is the code that works
[2:45] <whodat> sudo loadkeys <<EOF
[2:45] <whodat> keycode 200 = bracketleft
[2:45] <whodat> keycode 201 = bracketright
[2:45] <whodat> keycode 165 = bracketright
[2:45] <whodat> keycode 163 = bracketleft
[2:45] <whodat> EOF
[2:45] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, also, now the i2cdetect gives.. some kind of output
[2:45] <NeoThermic> I'm not sure how to read it
[2:46] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Hey, that just might be progress. Those displays can be pretty power hungry.
[2:47] <NeoThermic> yep, but still no power issues in dmesg, and no display
[2:48] <friendofafriend> You may also have to enable SPI as well, at least from the documentation I see here. https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi-spi-and-i2c-tutorial/all
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[2:49] <friendofafriend> whodat: Hey! That's great news! Is it actually coming up from a fresh reboot, now?
[2:50] <whodat> no
[2:50] <whodat> i have to load it
[2:58] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, well, no dice still. I'm at a loss.
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[2:59] <friendofafriend> whodat: Once you have it working like you want, I think a "dumpkeys -l > ./custom.map" and then a "loadkeys ./custom.map" after boot will do it.
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[3:00] <friendofafriend> You could automate it system-wide with /etc/rc.local, or you could just put "loadkeys ~/custom.map" in your ~/.profile before you launch the music program.
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[3:00] <whodat> well
[3:00] <whodat> i think that the autologin-> ~/.bashrc loading mpg123 , was racing pulseaudio/bluetooth
[3:01] <whodat> and thus caused the audio output to get fux0red
[3:01] <whodat> so i guess i need it to wait a bit somehow before loading
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[3:01] <whodat> so far 2 headsets are working
[3:01] <whodat> but thats all i have to test
[3:02] <friendofafriend> Hey, two for two is a pretty good trackrecord. ;)
[3:02] <whodat> yup
[3:03] <whodat> i was trying to get my friends .c to work also
[3:03] <whodat> from a fresh reboot to reset the keys back to normal
[3:03] <whodat> but so far havent been able to
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[3:04] <whodat> figured i might make an account on some forums and post the results incase someone else is trying to do the same..
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[3:04] <whodat> ill be sure to credit you.. friendofafriend@irc.freenode
[3:04] <whodat> :)
[3:04] <friendofafriend> Very kind, whodat. And of course our chat here is logged for posterity.
[3:05] <whodat> itd be nice if i could use it with a pipe and get it to work in other methods to spit out a random song too but for now at least i can get it to do what i want
[3:05] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: When you "cat /boot/config.txt | grep rpi-ft5406", do you get output?
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[3:06] <whodat> i guess this is the safest method tho, without risking the mpg123 process getting killed and the hassle of trying to get it restarted while on a motorcycle
[3:07] <friendofafriend> ...on a wheelie, in the rain, chased by police, and the MP3s go out.
[3:07] <whodat> i just dont like the 1k song titles in the pid of mpg123
[3:07] <whodat> hahaha
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[3:08] <whodat> pEWM!
[3:09] <whodat> now i can work on mounting this bluetooth speakers into my helmet i ripped apart
[3:09] <friendofafriend> whodat: Do you get a crazy process list when you invoke mpg123 like, "mpg123 -@ < playlist"?
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[3:09] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, nope, what do I need to add for that then?
[3:09] <friendofafriend> Well, then you can just have a list of absolute filenames as a playlist.
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[3:11] <whodat> actually no, kewl
[3:11] <whodat> and its still working
[3:11] <whodat> but if i didnt add -Z, when i pressed the button it'd kill the process
[3:11] <whodat> pi 3513 10.5 1.1 87828 5824 tty1 Rl+ 20:10 0:01 mpg123 -v -k 0 -Z -@ .mp3z
[3:11] <whodat> is working fine
[3:11] <friendofafriend> Ah, OK! Hey, cool!
[3:12] <friendofafriend> That's a lot better than a 1000 filenames in your process list. Good golly.
[3:12] <whodat> yea lol
[3:12] <whodat> i wonder why -Z changed it from dieing off on button press tho
[3:12] <whodat> thats just for random
[3:12] <whodat> weird
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[3:14] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: I think you've got to add "dtoverlay=rpi-ft5406" into that config.txt file.
[3:15] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: You may also need to include "dtoverlay=rpi-backlight". Really, that's supposed to happen automatically.
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[3:30] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, right, that still gets me nothing ¬_¬
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[3:33] <friendofafriend> What was happening when you got a flash out of the screen? Was that during a reboot?
[3:33] <NeoThermic> yeah. not seen one since
[3:33] <friendofafriend> Still just power from the pin headers?
[3:34] <NeoThermic> I've tried both power from pins and power from USB (speratly to both) and no dice on either :|
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[3:39] <NeoThermic> I'm beginning to suspect the display is dead
[3:39] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: What enabled options do you get from "cat /boot/config.txt | grep i2c"?
[3:40] <NeoThermic> dtparam=i2c_arm=on
[3:40] <NeoThermic> dtparam=i2c1=on
[3:41] <friendofafriend> What I see is that the GPU takes over I2C for that display.
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[3:41] <friendofafriend> As such, there's this option i2c_vc.
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[3:41] <friendofafriend> i
[3:42] <friendofafriend> Whoops, sorry.
[3:42] <ball> pi
[3:42] <NeoThermic> dtoverlay=i2c_vc or dtparam=i2c_vc ? :)
[3:42] <friendofafriend> So I think you may also have to add "dtparam=i2c_vc=on" to config.txt.
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[3:44] <NeoThermic> no difference
[3:44] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[3:45] <DanielTheFox> 500 minutes of music, chatting and programming on a 12500mAh battery
[3:45] <DanielTheFox> I guess this is less efficient than a cellphone battery
[3:45] <friendofafriend> That's pretty great, DanielTheFox.
[3:45] <DanielTheFox> but on the other hand, it is cheaper and much more flexibler
[3:45] <DanielTheFox> I drained the powerbank off
[3:46] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Would you mind posting the config.txt to the paste-place of your choice? I see you were using github, before.
[3:47] <NeoThermic> https://gist.github.com/AshleyPinner/e2f74214b61ffe210a4206f82ad89f5d
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[3:49] <ball> I just found the Important Adaptor
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[3:50] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: So, you may try turning the I2C setting back off through raspi-config, because while it gives us something to test it may interfere with the VideoCore's I2C interface.
[3:51] <ball> 3.5mm stereo male to two phono/RCA female connectors.
[3:51] <friendofafriend> I see some information about people having success with that display board and the NOOBS image, so it might be worthwhile giving it a shot and seeing what about it is different.
[3:52] <friendofafriend> ball: Those adapters are great. I'm using one to hook a 3.5mm jack to my stereo that was made for a rotgut digital camera to display on a TV.
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[3:58] <ball> :-)
[3:58] <ball> I probably shouldn't ask my 1B to build vorbis-tools while it's already trying to build Firefox but it has to be done. :-)
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> any feature from stock firefox you dislike?
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> it used to be lightweight and nice
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> now it's heavy and slow
[4:00] <DanielTheFox> ...but at least it's safe
[4:00] <ball> Don't read too much into that. I build all my packages from source.
[4:00] <ball> I'd be open to something faster and lighter than Firefox but it does have a few nice features that I like.
[4:00] <ball> (that I miss in other browsers)
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[4:05] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, I think NOOBS is how I got the thing installed in the first place, but lets try again :)
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[4:09] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Fiddlesticks, I'd never recommend going in circles. Did you get any output in dmesg from loading that module?
[4:09] <NeoThermic> nope
[4:09] <NeoThermic> at this point I'm beginning to suspect the display is dead
[4:10] <NeoThermic> which sucks, but eh, I only received it today (well, yesterday now since it's 3am)
[4:10] <friendofafriend> Well, some of that stuff in config.txt is necessary.
[4:10] <NeoThermic> so I can always return it for a new one and try again :P
[4:11] <NeoThermic> well, once I get the fresh install going, we'll see if we can get it working first time
[4:11] <friendofafriend> If it was missing before, adding it back might improve your outlook. Plus, you've got a copy of the config.txt to look over.
[4:11] <friendofafriend> And getting a flash on that display is hopeful.
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[4:13] <ball> load averages: 2.10, 2.08, 1.82; up 1+23:52:51 03:13:49
[4:15] <friendofafriend> ball: That's not so bad. What model Pi is that?
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[4:19] <ball> friendofafriend: 1B
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[4:25] <friendofafriend> Wowzers, punishing that poor thing.
[4:26] <Cito> Howdy
[4:26] <friendofafriend> Hi there, Cito.
[4:26] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[4:26] <DanielTheFox> I'm punishing my RPi 3b+ the other way around
[4:27] <DanielTheFox> but it has its own benefits
[4:27] <ball> I would be running my 2B if I could get a picture out of it. ;-)
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[4:28] <DanielTheFox> even those overadvertised laptops only last six hours... if only playing music on a Linux tty terminal and shutting down any graphical interface, since there is no way in Windows to make them last long
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[4:28] <DanielTheFox> (especially if they run windows 10)
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[4:30] <ball> DanielTheFox: They're not running ARM chips though.
[4:30] <ball> (mostly)
[4:31] <DanielTheFox> yeah, they need big batteries
[4:31] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, aha!
[4:31] <NeoThermic> dmesg | grep -i ft5406
[4:31] <NeoThermic> [ 3.606180] rpi-ft5406 rpi_ft5406: Probing device
[4:31] <NeoThermic> [ 3.606844] input: FT5406 memory based driver as /devices/virtual/input/input4
[4:31] <DanielTheFox> they have extreme screens
[4:31] <NeoThermic> but still no display
[4:31] <NeoThermic> but that's new!
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[4:31] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Hey, that's fantastic progress!
[4:31] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: I wonder what the heck it's doing that's so different.
[4:32] <NeoThermic> not sure. I just need to solve the lack of display now
[4:32] <friendofafriend> Here's some things I'd do first, NeoThermic:
[4:32] <friendofafriend> Copy the output of lsmod.
[4:32] <friendofafriend> Grab a copy of dmesg and /boot/config.txt, too.
[4:33] <friendofafriend> Get the kernel version from "uname -a".
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[4:33] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, https://gist.github.com/AshleyPinner/184914fce57665ead78ec95d5cb6fa5d
[4:36] <friendofafriend> Hmmm, I see "dtparam=spi=on".
[4:37] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Is this the NOOBS image?
[4:37] <NeoThermic> friendofafriend, ya
[4:37] <friendofafriend> OK, wow. Hey, that config.txt sure did end up looking at lot like the one we came up with.
[4:39] <NeoThermic> yeah, I did copy the settings into it :)
[4:39] <friendofafriend> Ah, looked a little familiar! :)
[4:40] <friendofafriend> I think the flag is something like "display_default_lcd=" in the config.txt
[4:42] <friendofafriend> And I think the value is "1", so you might try to add "display_default_lcd=1" to config.txt
[4:42] <friendofafriend> I believe you can also get omxplayer to display there, even in this state.
[4:44] <NeoThermic> added that, still no output on the display
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[4:47] <NeoThermic> even gone the route of powering both seperatly, no dice
[4:47] <NeoThermic> one step forward, no progress :P
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[4:53] <friendofafriend> Right, but getting that output in dmesg is basically the cat's meow.
[4:54] <friendofafriend> Do you get a framebuffer device, like /dev/fb0 ?
[4:54] <DanielTheFox> my SPI LCD screen (after having its drivers loaded) appears as /dev/fb1
[4:54] <friendofafriend> Neat-o! What LCD do you have, DanielTheFox?
[4:55] <NeoThermic> narp, have no fb*
[4:55] <DanielTheFox> one of those generic TFT 3.5" 480x320 touchscreens that only plug on GPIO
[4:55] <DanielTheFox> I don't use the touchscreen feature
[4:55] <DanielTheFox> it's a screen, and I'm okay with it
[4:56] <DanielTheFox> I'm using it right now
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[5:01] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: That's pretty rad. I have an ILI9341 (I think), never got it working with parallel but I should try again.
[5:02] <NeoThermic> sigh
[5:02] <NeoThermic> 4 hours trying to get this screen working
[5:03] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: hmm, I think it's not related to RPi themselves, but what does "rad" mean there?
[5:05] <friendofafriend> It's like "cool", but when you've already said "cool" too many times today.
[5:05] <DanielTheFox> ok, thanks
[5:05] <friendofafriend> No problems, DanielTheFox.
[5:05] <DanielTheFox> UK english, US english or non-native?
[5:06] <friendofafriend> Very much US.
[5:06] * DanielTheFox actually wants to keep these apart each other, in order to support each one
[5:06] * DanielTheFox still needs to fill up the "UK English" part
[5:06] <friendofafriend> Popular in the 80s, early 90s.
[5:07] <DanielTheFox> I guess it's related to actually getting rad
[5:07] <DanielTheFox> cheap illegal drugs also became popular in that era
[5:08] <friendofafriend> Illegal drugs were more popular in the 70s and 80s. By the 90s, it was SWAT teams and helicopters.
[5:08] <DanielTheFox> ok
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[5:09] <DanielTheFox> how old are you?
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[5:10] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Think that "input: FT5406 memory based driver as /devices/virtual/input/input4" is for the touchscreen?
[5:11] <friendofafriend> Maybe you've got a /dev/input/event0 there?
[5:11] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: you must seek out LCD-show
[5:11] <DanielTheFox> there should be some generic drivers for them
[5:12] <DanielTheFox> but please, for the love of kittens, make backups of your cmdline.txt and config.txt files
[5:14] <friendofafriend> I fear that's only for HDMI and SPI LCDs.
[5:14] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[5:14] <DanielTheFox> what's yours?
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[5:15] <friendofafriend> It connects by 8-bit parallel.
[5:15] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[5:15] <DanielTheFox> weird
[5:15] <NeoThermic> TBH, I've given up for now. Will try again tomorrow or something. Just spending 4 hours trying to get something simple working has worn my patience out
[5:15] <friendofafriend> There's probably some way to make it work via SPI.
[5:15] <DanielTheFox> NeoThermic: what kind of screen?
[5:16] <friendofafriend> One of those cool DSI screens that connects to the "Display" connector.
[5:16] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[5:17] <DanielTheFox> there was some setting on config.txt I think...
[5:17] <DanielTheFox> where you had to enable it manually
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[5:21] <friendofafriend> NeoThermic: Great progress. Way to go!
[5:24] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: There's a lot of documentation around that says the screen should be enabled automatically. Probably not too accurate.
[5:24] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[5:24] <DanielTheFox> try to disable HDMI stuff then?
[5:24] <DanielTheFox> (assuming you use a HDMI screen)
[5:24] <friendofafriend> Even assuming you don't, it might be a good idea.
[5:25] <DanielTheFox> disable/comment all HDMI-related lines on config.txt
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[5:25] <friendofafriend> There's this "display_default_lcd=" that should choose between the DSI and HDMI.
[5:28] <friendofafriend> I can find a cheap LCD second-hand for $20 or $30, but those sub-$10 OLEDs and small SPI TFTs are cool.
[5:29] <DanielTheFox> yeah :D
[5:30] <friendofafriend> Are you using your Raspi and LCD for IRC?
[5:30] <DanielTheFox> yes :P
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[5:32] <friendofafriend> That's awfully meta of you. Using irssi?
[5:32] <DanielTheFox> nope
[5:32] <DanielTheFox> WeeChat
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[7:04] <ball> Am I right in thinking that the 3B+ and 3A+ can do 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz WiFi but not both at the same time?
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[7:25] <whodat> friendofafriend: could i just have the loadkeys script crontab'd with @reboot ?
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[7:36] <DanielTheFox> :3
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[7:52] <friendofafriend> whodat: I guess, but you really only need to do it once every boot.
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[8:03] <whodat> yea wouldnt that do it?
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[8:03] <whodat> crontab -e
[8:03] <whodat> then @REBOOT <code>
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[8:51] <friendofafriend> whodat: There's some discussion of it here. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/109804/crontabs-reboot-only-works-for-root
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[8:56] <doublehp> my ext4 explodes each time I disocnnect power; how to get a stable filesystem on rpi ?
[8:56] <DanielTheFox> doublehp: shutdown properly from system's menu
[8:57] <DanielTheFox> or from command line
[8:57] <friendofafriend> doublehp: If you disconnect power, expect your filesystem to explode.
[8:57] <DanielTheFox> sudo poweroff
[8:57] <doublehp> tell this to my electric provider
[8:57] <DanielTheFox> yeah, I'd blame them too
[8:58] <DanielTheFox> ext4 is better there than, say, ext2
[8:58] <friendofafriend> So, there's PiJuice, a UPS for just such a problem.
[8:58] <DanielTheFox> IMO, ext3 is very sturdy
[8:58] <friendofafriend> Do you have a UPS already?
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[8:59] <doublehp> I have a UPS, but this is not enough; I don't have time to ssh and login on each and every pi when I want to move them around.
[8:59] <doublehp> OrangePis don't have this issue; I power cycle them every day, and they never break
[8:59] <friendofafriend> You could also put variable files (logfiles, temporary files) on a RAMdisk and mount the rootfs as read-only. Then pulling power doesn't matter much.
[8:59] <doublehp> rpis have 3 poer cycle per year, and they break 50% of the time
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[9:00] <DanielTheFox> ...or use ext3fs (our electric company isn't exactly perfect, ext3 is known to surive very well to these disconnections)
[9:01] <DanielTheFox> I wonder how ext4 works there
[9:01] <doublehp> so i have to downgrade ext4 to ext3 ?
[9:01] <DanielTheFox> hmm, dunno
[9:01] <friendofafriend> If the time it takes to login and poweroff is the problem, you could add a button to gracefully shutdown. https://howchoo.com/g/mwnlytk3zmm/how-to-add-a-power-button-to-your-raspberry-pi
[9:02] <doublehp> friendofafriend: there always will be powerouatges, even with a UPS
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[9:02] <DanielTheFox> hmm, true
[9:02] <friendofafriend> Sure, but with a UPS you have the time to gracefully shut down.
[9:02] <DanielTheFox> mounting as read-only only solves half these problems
[9:03] <DanielTheFox> I prefer the idea of using a sturdier filesystem, or a less-aggressive cache
[9:03] <friendofafriend> Raspberry Pis and other Linux machines can be set to shutdown when your UPS battery is low with something called NUT.
[9:03] <DanielTheFox> (or disable disk cache altogether if possible)
[9:04] <doublehp> friendofafriend: my NUT server is a pi ... egg and chicken problem
[9:04] <DanielTheFox> doublehp: what you mean with "it explodes"
[9:05] <friendofafriend> If your NUT server is a Pi, then put it on the UPS it's managing. No poultry problem.
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[9:05] <friendofafriend> its**
[9:05] <DanielTheFox> you mean it takes longer to login due to filesystem fixup during boot up?
[9:05] <DanielTheFox> my computers do the same when the power goes away, then comes back
[9:05] <DanielTheFox> they need to check and fix the filesystem before booting up
[9:05] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: in short, several hundred files are moved into lost+found, or at least the pi waits for pressing ^D ... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=180164
[9:06] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[9:06] <DanielTheFox> I don't remember how to force/enable fsck on each boot
[9:06] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[9:06] <brane> DanielTheFox: it's a flag in /etc/fstab
[9:06] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: it's not just breaking one open SQL file; it's aither waiting for ^D, or corrupting many major system files, such as several bins in /bin ... even loosing files which were not open for writing
[9:07] <DanielTheFox> brane: there's also cmdline.txt
[9:07] <DanielTheFox> fsck.repair=yes
[9:07] <DanielTheFox> doublehp: that's very bad
[9:07] <doublehp> repair is pointless as it moves major ciritcal files from /sbin and /sbin to /lost+found ...
[9:08] <DanielTheFox> I'd suggest a downgrade to ext3, it works very well for me as long as you enable filesystem check on bootup
[9:08] <doublehp> and I had that on several pis, many times, with different Raspbian versions, different pis, and different SDs
[9:08] <DanielTheFox> and those losts won't get sent to lost+found
[9:08] <brane> doublehp: so which filesystem are you mounting on / ?
[9:09] <doublehp> brane: I don't understand your question; I was using legacy raspbian untill now
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[9:09] <brane> just type 'mount' on the command line and see which filesystem type you have on the root volume, which is mounted at path '/'
[9:10] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: so, can I simply downgrade from ext4, or do I need a clean/complete re-mkfs ?
[9:10] <brane> i have no idea what raspbian does, but i'd be surprised if it's anything less than ext3
[9:10] <DanielTheFox> raspbian by default uses ext4
[9:10] <DanielTheFox> I always force ext3 on Debian
[9:10] <DanielTheFox> and, on USB sticks, I force ext2 to make them last longer
[9:11] <DanielTheFox> but given this situation, ext2 will make things worse
[9:11] <DanielTheFox> but I don't know if ext3 requires downgrading or if it requires formatting altogether
[9:11] <brane> if journalling is a problem -- and ext4 is more aggressive than ext3 -- then the issue is sub-par SD cards, not the filesystem
[9:11] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[9:11] <doublehp> brane: I still don't understand your question; "/dev/root on / type ext4" for one, "/dev/mmcblk0p2 on / type ext4" for an other ...
[9:12] <DanielTheFox> or too aggressive disk cache
[9:12] <DanielTheFox> brane: can disk cache be the culprit too?
[9:12] <brane> for files that are only read, not modified, i doubt it
[9:12] <DanielTheFox> also, it's so weird how files that are not written are actually lost or broken
[9:13] <brane> unless the RAM on the pi is buggy, looking at dmesg output would make sense
[9:13] <friendofafriend> doublehp: You might find setting up the Pi as you want it, and then making it read-only to be a great option for power issues. https://learn.adafruit.com/read-only-raspberry-pi/
[9:13] <doublehp> friendofafriend: I can't stay RO , not possible
[9:14] <friendofafriend> doublehp: What keeps you from staying RO?
[9:14] <doublehp> I have already reduced writings to once per 5mn, can't do less
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[9:14] <doublehp> friendofafriend: I am logging events in a database; 20 values per second. It's the whole purpose of these pis
[9:15] <brane> well put the database on a different volume the
[9:15] <brane> using your whole SD card as the root volume is silly -- and i blame raspbian for doing that
[9:15] <doublehp> hmmm
[9:16] <doublehp> nope
[9:16] <brane> the root partition should be big enough for the base OS and nothing else. shrink it, create a new volume for your logs, mount it on /srv probably
[9:16] <doublehp> yesterday, one pi broke even before I installed the DB
[9:16] <friendofafriend> brane: In that case, just don't expand the filesystem and make partitions as you see fit.
[9:16] <brane> yes, but default raspbian install does that, right
[9:17] <friendofafriend> brane: Does what, automatically expand the FS?
[9:17] <brane> yep
[9:17] <friendofafriend> Nope, at least not Raspbian Lite.
[9:17] <chris_99> it does
[9:17] <brane> also uses a swap file instead of a swap partition, which i find ... doubtful? maybe i'm just too conservative
[9:17] <chris_99> when i used it friendofafriend
[9:17] <brane> friendofafriend: last time i installed raspbian-lite was 3 days ago and it expanded the root volume
[9:17] <chris_99> mm it does
[9:18] <friendofafriend> brane: As in, after you selected an option to do so?
[9:18] <chris_99> it does it automagically
[9:18] <chris_99> when it boots
[9:18] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: how do you force ext3 on raspbian ?
[9:19] <brane> so it does. maybe tweaking the config on a freshly flashed sd card before the first boot would fix that
[9:19] <chris_99> mm
[9:19] <doublehp> brane: no it does not do it automatically, it dos it on manual demand, when you follow the tuto
[9:19] <friendofafriend> I've not seen Raspbian automatically expand the rootfs, either.
[9:19] <brane> hm? maybe my memory is slipping
[9:19] <chris_99> have you run it recently?
[9:19] <brane> last week
[9:19] <chris_99> sorry that was to friendofafriend
[9:20] <chris_99> it does expand it
[9:20] <friendofafriend> You're saying this behavior changed *last week*?
[9:20] <chris_99> it's been doing it for months
[9:20] <doublehp> anyway, I can WA expand many ways, not the issue for me ...
[9:20] <brane> i'm not saying anything, i'm just saying what i remember of the first boot ;) the *first* thing it did was expand the volume and reboot
[9:21] <chris_99> yeah it boots, resizes, then restarts
[9:21] <friendofafriend> If that's the case, it's new behavior.
[9:21] <brane> doublehp: i really, really doubt that ext4 is the culprit. unless there's a bug in ext4 specifically on armhf, which i'm pretty sure all of the android world would be yelling about
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[9:21] <chris_99> are you having issues with too many writes?
[9:22] <doublehp> brane: yes, there are bugs in ext4; they are known in opi community; but on opi, I have fixed it
[9:22] <brane> ok ... that's new to me
[9:22] <chris_99> bugs?
[9:22] <friendofafriend> doublehp: You're saying you reduced writing to once every five minutes, but you mean writing your database, correct?
[9:22] <brane> do you have a link maybe?
[9:23] <doublehp> brane: we are often loosing /boot/armbianEnv.txt for various reasons; it's a known issue on orange pis; but, we are loosing only this one file, and no other file, and, I have found a way to recover it automatically.
[9:23] <doublehp> friendofafriend: I write my DB every second in /dev/shm, and copy it to SD every 5mn
[9:24] <doublehp> the rest of the machine is legacy raspbian (except I duplicate syslogs to network server - so eventually I could drop /var/log )
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[9:25] <doublehp> brane: google for corrupted "armbianEnv.txt" vs ext4, you may find what i have read last month
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[9:25] <friendofafriend> doublehp: I've put /var/log into RAM and archive it by a cron job every so often, to reduce writes.
[9:25] <chris_99> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201685 is that what you're reffering to wrt bugs?
[9:27] <doublehp> brane: http://tinyurl.com/y85ae2c8 http://tinyurl.com/ybgg6nns
[9:28] <brane> huh, that sounds like a bug in u-boot, not ext4
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[9:30] <doublehp> brane: no; the bug *I* have occurs 30s after boot completed, when some service updates this file to insert USB things
[9:31] <doublehp> brane: /etc/init.d/armhwinfo
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[9:31] <brane> oookay ...
[9:31] <Quackeed> how can I check messages from a npm service running?
[9:31] <doublehp> http://tinyurl.com/ybgq4w3v
[9:32] <brane> "some service corrupts a file" is quite different from "there's a bug in the filesystem"
[9:32] <doublehp> ext4 to ext3 conversion : not possible, need to copy data and re-mkfs
[9:34] <doublehp> brane: the bug is not in how armhwinfo handles the file, but in how ext4 writes changes on the SD; the service, in short, does a simple echo "$variable">> file. But, I have found armbianEnv file to contain completely different data, such as raw binary data, or bits of syslog, or bits of emails
[9:35] <doublehp> brane: this is only possible with a memory leakage, and ext4 driver writing to disk, data coming from random places in memory. had it many times with debian, even with rotating IDE disks. Not specific to pi or SD
[9:36] <brane> well all i can say is that i've never seen that on ext4
[9:36] <brane> not that i don't believe you
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[10:08] <chris_99> i'm thinking of getting this - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Micro-USB-Extension-Female-Screws-Charge/dp/B07DS6KBJX would a dremel + circular saw type bit, be the best way to cut out the hole it needs you reckon?
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[10:14] <divx118> Hi, anyone know what is the most up to date 433Mhz project to control light and or power sockets. I got a new light which isn't supported with the old https://github.com/lexruee/pi-switch-python I used. googling turns op so many hits I thought I asked here first. Thanks in advance.
[10:19] <friendofafriend> divx118: What are you using as a transceiver?
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[10:26] <doublehp> friendofafriend: brane_ DanielTheFox : I am not writing the images directly manually; I have written wrappers to write SD cards and inject many patches before first boot. I have updated my script to convert the card into ext3, and create a new partition for my DB; I expect that to bug a few times, so it will take a few hours before I have a working pi.
[10:27] <doublehp> but in short, I have listen to you, and the pi I am reinstalling now will have both modifications: use ext3, and seperate partition for my DB
[10:27] <brane_> good luck :)
[10:27] <doublehp> also, I will try to start using log2ram if it's available on rapsbian
[10:28] <divx118> friendofafriend Just some cheap modules like https://www.amazon.de/kwmobile-Sender-Empf%C3%A4nger-Arduino-Raspberry/dp/B01H2D2RH6/
[10:28] <doublehp> but, won't give feedback today. will take hour to debug the updated wrapper; and months to check if these solutions are better
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[12:06] <xvelasqu> Hi everyone
[12:08] <xvelasqu> I have a simple question. When connecting to raspbian via SSH, "/bin/bash/" is supposed to be the default shell for my user. But I need to run "bash" manually in order to get colors and all my settings loaded.. How can I get it to work automatically when I log in?
[12:11] <brane_> you have to make sure your ~/.bashrc is loaded for remote sessions interactive. check /etc/profile and ~/.profile. also check how $TERM is set by your SSH client, if it's set to a dumb terminal type that doesn't support colours, your typical shell configuration will notice.
[12:12] <brane_> and this has nothing to do with raspbian
[12:12] <divx118> brane_ You could take a look in /etc/passwd and see if your user has /bin/bash defined as a shell login.
[12:13] <brane_> why are you talking to me?
[12:13] <xvelasqu> "/etc/passwd" has /bin/bash set for my user
[12:13] <divx118> brane_ sorry
[12:14] <brane_> which shell is used is not the issue, the issue is how the startup files are processed
[12:18] <xvelasqu> thank you brane
[12:18] <xvelasqu> it was exactly what you said
[12:18] <xvelasqu> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/820517/bashrc-at-ssh-login
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[12:18] <xvelasqu> thank you too divx
[12:20] <brane_> right ... it's been this way more or less forever, the "issue" is much older than rpi or raspbian :)
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[12:57] <Quackeed> I'm running a node.js as a service. How can I get the output from that service like I would if starting it manually with npm start?
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[13:02] <Quackeed> systemd
[13:05] <ali1234> journalctl -u <name of unit>
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[13:07] <Quackeed> thanks. worked fine
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[13:42] * DanielTheFox wonders how to enable WLAN AP+station on the same RPi (WiFi repeater)
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[14:04] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: imposible ?
[14:05] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: only very expensive chipsets can do it; with cheap chipsets, you need two radio modules
[14:05] <DanielTheFox> modern laptops can do it
[14:06] <DanielTheFox> but, well, they're already /expensive/
[14:06] <DanielTheFox> so there it goes :p
[14:06] <doublehp> to get a stable ext3, what do you think about commit=30 and barrier ?
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[14:06] <ali1234> modern wifi chipsets have 2x or 3x radios
[14:07] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: I am talking about 200-800� APs, for the cheapets ones; Cisco has up to 3000� APs
[14:07] <doublehp> 3000� for a sugar box emitting radio waves
[14:08] <doublehp> since the objective of an rpi is to be cheap, and they removed all buttons and LEDs, I would be surprised they include a multi radio wifi
[14:08] <ali1234> i don't know, but youre probably right
[14:08] <ali1234> afaik it has only one antenna shared between wifi and bluetooth
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[14:09] <DanielTheFox> haha, like my old netbook
[14:09] <DanielTheFox> it has bluetooth and wifi moltin in the same card
[14:09] <DanielTheFox> *molten
[14:09] <DanielTheFox> so bad you cannot use WiFi and bluetooth at the same time
[14:10] <ali1234> yeah, rpi is the same, broadcom makes a lot of that stuff
[14:10] <DanielTheFox> they affect each other
[14:10] <DanielTheFox> ...but at least there is bluetooth
[14:10] <ali1234> yes, because the antenna is shared they can't use it at the same time
[14:10] <DanielTheFox> ok
[14:10] <ali1234> so if you have a bluetooth mouse and keyboard you can't use wifi while typing or moving the mouse
[14:10] <ali1234> it really sucks, loads of broadcom laptops have this problem too
[14:11] <DanielTheFox> mine is the worst possible broadcom
[14:11] <DanielTheFox> B43
[14:11] <DanielTheFox> but it also provides some amusement and quite a learning experience
[14:11] <DanielTheFox> you know you're learning how to deal with specific hardware present on large amounts of computers
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[14:16] <DanielTheFox> so I still need the WiFi dongle, right?
[14:17] <DanielTheFox> (if I want a RPi WiFi repeater)
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[15:36] <doublehp> is log2ram specific to Armbian or is there an equivalent in Raspbian ?
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[15:41] <larsks> doublehp: what does log2ram do?
[15:42] <doublehp> keep syslog files in shm, and commit them to storage only once per hour, to save SD operations
[15:43] <doublehp> i have found https://github.com/azlux/log2ram.git
[15:43] <larsks> Ah. I was going to say that busybox includes a syslogd that can log to a circular buffer in ram, but it doesn't have a commit-to-disk function.
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> if you never read the logs, then turn them off..
[15:46] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: I loggrep them in munin
[15:46] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: and save them for 10y, and sometimes, save my own life by reading >12months old files
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> you really save syslogs for 10 years?
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[15:56] <doublehp> gordonDrogon: 4000 days
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[15:56] <DanielTheFox> don't the logs get long?
[15:56] <BurtyB> log them over the network?
[15:57] <DanielTheFox> hmm, but then someone has to store the logs
[15:57] <doublehp> it's my standard policy for all machines. Anyway, it's compliance to French law, which requires all network lgs to be kept that long.
[15:57] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: no, they are compressed evert day
[15:57] <DanielTheFox> cool
[15:58] <DanielTheFox> hmm, temperature is getting high
[15:58] <doublehp> BurtyB: yes
[15:59] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: each system keeps logs locally for one year; every month, logs older than 3 months are moved to NAS. Plus a second copy on the syslog server
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> so you're running a commercial service then. slightly different from 99.9999% of the people here...
[16:04] <DanielTheFox> argh
[16:04] <DanielTheFox> Europe has to be -_-
[16:04] <DanielTheFox> glad I don't live there
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> not convinced it's europe - I'm in the UK (still europe), running commercial services and I don' have to keep 10 years of logs...
[16:05] <doublehp> DanielTheFox: brane_ I have severaly played with power supply, disconnected it randomly over 20 times durint boot, and still booting fine. Yesterday it broke at the second power cycle. So, ext3 + log2ram + seperate partitions seem to help
[16:05] <DanielTheFox> doublehp: heh
[16:06] <DanielTheFox> I said ext3 proved very sturdy
[16:06] <DanielTheFox> I dunno how it works tho
[16:06] <doublehp> it's always recommended to keep traces of connexions if you have a wifi, even at home, this may help you prooving yout neighbour broke your network, and attacked other people using your connexion
[16:06] <doublehp> network logs can be used in court to proove you were attacked and used
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[16:07] <doublehp> I have B&B, and I need this to be able to accuse my guests when I receive court notifications
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> no-one in the UK does this.
[16:08] <doublehp> because your government did not set laws to help people complain about the smallest use of eDonkey
[16:09] <doublehp> or torrent
[16:10] <doublehp> I have tried to explain the juge that it's impossible to completely filter torrent, because new torrent apps are designed to go throught everything; he didn't care; he just said "your connexion was used to download this movie, now pay !"
[16:11] <DanielTheFox> I prefer preventive measures
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> glad I don't live in France.
[16:12] <DanielTheFox> same with me
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> however I suspect that if it happened again, no matter what logs you have, the outcome would be the same.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> I mean; who believes logs that you can change yourself...
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> it's a tough nut to crack.
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[16:15] <DanielTheFox> glad I live in a lawless place
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> you can download stuff, nobody cares
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> what country?
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> Mexico
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> okkkkaaaaaayyyyy ......
[16:16] <Khaytsus> Except for the whole "get murdered randomly" part
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> ^
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> hmm, depends on place
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> but actually, that's the case anywhere
[16:17] <DanielTheFox> what if I say you can be a random terrorism victim in France at any moment? (which is also an overreaction)
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> well - the way the red-top newspapers portray it here, you'd think London was a hell hole of a no-go zone...
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> oh wait ...
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: same here :P
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> I live in ruralistan where the local just get drunk on payday, shout a bit and fall over.
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> not a bad place as Trump said
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> and, actually, I live in a rural place too :P
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> except we barely have internet, there's no kind of phone
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[16:54] <DanielTheFox> hmm
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[18:07] <friendofafriend> Wow, I've got to find a place that barely has Internet.
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[18:08] <doublehp> X is using the wrong screen, who can help me fix it ?
[18:09] <friendofafriend> What screens do you have attached to you Pi?
[18:09] <friendofafriend> your**
[18:10] <doublehp> it's using HDMI instead of SPI; SPI is showing console, so, it's working.
[18:10] <friendofafriend> Do you have a "display_default_lcd=" line in your config.txt?
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[18:11] <doublehp> no
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[18:12] <friendofafriend> You might try adding "display_default_lcd=0" in there and restarting.
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[18:12] <friendofafriend> Some more information about it here. https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/video.md
[18:14] <doublehp> in short, did not change anything
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[18:22] <friendofafriend> doublehp: Are you running startx or just in init 5?
[18:22] <doublehp> all fail the same way
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[18:25] <friendofafriend> doublehp: Do you have an xorg.conf file?
[18:25] <doublehp> a very small one for input touchscreen
[18:25] <doublehp> X command works, on the wrong screen
[18:25] <doublehp> X -configure fails quicly: http://slexy.org/view/s2ZgbVHRpE
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[18:29] <doublehp> X alone can find FBDEV(0) , not the good monitor, but at least one monitor; while X -configure fails at everything
[18:29] <doublehp> I can't understand who
[18:29] <doublehp> why
[18:30] <friendofafriend> And you've got two /dev/ entries for each, fb0 and fb1?
[18:31] <doublehp> y
[18:31] <doublehp> not the issue for now, as long as I can't produce any template conf
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[18:33] <doublehp> friendofafriend: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=193113
[18:34] <friendofafriend> Yep, you may also want a ServerLayout, Screen, and Monitor stanzas.
[18:35] <friendofafriend> There's an xorg.conf you could use as a starting place here. https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/36705/startx-layout-hdmi-layout-tft-at-the-same-time
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[18:41] <doublehp> it works fine as is
[18:42] <doublehp> just, Y axis is inverted, and ... playing with /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-calibration.conf oes not have any effect
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> xinput_calibrator
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> get the package
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[18:44] <DanielTheFox> or the package that contains this program
[18:44] <doublehp> no, really, already tried it
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> and what happened?
[18:45] <doublehp> I have altered values in this conf file, does not have any impact, as if it was not read
[18:45] <doublehp> when I alter values of calibration for X axis, cursor behaves always the same way
[18:45] <doublehp> forcing values of 200-300 does the same as for 2000-3000
[18:46] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[18:47] <doublehp> ah ...
[18:47] <friendofafriend> doublehp: You now have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[18:47] <doublehp> ah no
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[18:48] <doublehp> I have been checking I was editing the right file, on the right machine ... but yes
[18:48] <doublehp> checked 10 times I am editing the file on the same machine I run X
[18:48] <doublehp> no
[18:48] <doublehp> only /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*
[18:48] <doublehp> but /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-fbdev.conf is used, and does have effect
[18:49] <doublehp> yup; if I edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-fbdev.conf and change fb1 into fb0, I Return to HDMI ... so, file is read and not ignored
[18:49] <friendofafriend> There is an Option "InvertY" "1" that you can add to the InputClass stanza.
[18:50] <doublehp> the whole file is ignored
[18:50] <doublehp> http://slexy.org/view/s20U7MP4nB
[18:50] <doublehp> see, I have tried the two types, and in either case, calibration values are always ignored, even when putting 200-300 or 2000-3000
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[18:52] <doublehp> http://slexy.org/view/s2uuHRPRXj see the end, something is ignored
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[18:57] <friendofafriend> Could well be the input is automatically added, but I usually just make an xorg.conf file.
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[18:57] <doublehp> I have something: Option "AccelerationThreshold" "6" produces a change in the log, so, section is not ignored : http://slexy.org/view/s2P3oIqlK2 (compare it with previous paste: about 10 lines before the end, you can see a 6 somewhere )
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[19:00] <friendofafriend> Looks like the touchscreen is getting added by the "libinput touchscreen catchall", https://slexy.org/raw/s2P3oIqlK2 .
[19:01] <friendofafriend> Which I think you'll find in the libinput.conf file in your configuration directory.
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[19:02] <doublehp> no such file in any machine I have
[19:02] <doublehp> in any machine I ever had; I scanned over 25 machines, including 10 laptops
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> you don't have libinput installed then.
[19:04] <friendofafriend> It's obviously loading libinput's conf from somewhere, you might try grepping the files in your config directory for that "libinput touchscreen catchall" string.
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[19:06] <friendofafriend> "Config directory", yeesh. xorg configuration was never pretty, but at least it was not pretty in one place.
[19:06] <doublehp> http://slexy.org/view/s20iUsKhG5
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[19:07] <doublehp> grep -nri "libinput" /etc/ => Binary file /etc/ld.so.cache matches
[19:07] <friendofafriend> grep "libinput touchscreen catchall" /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*
[19:07] <friendofafriend> Maybe even with a -n, while you're at it.
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[19:12] <friendofafriend> You may also find it in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ , as your logfile says on line 18.
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[19:13] <doublehp> xinput set-prop 2 "Evdev Axis Calibration" 0 4132 0 4135 => property 'Evdev Axis Calibration' doesn't exist, you need to specify its type and format
[19:13] <doublehp> same for IDs4 and 6
[19:14] <friendofafriend> Your libinput config file is being loaded before evdev.
[19:15] <doublehp> I ran that command after starting X
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[19:17] <friendofafriend> Right-o. Might want to find that config file.
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[19:38] <pagios> hi all, does anyone recommend a reliable ip camera with built in microphone to use for livestreaming conferences? I would like it to be a wireless ip camera that can stream using rtsp with audio and video. something like mevo but more flexible
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[19:39] <friendofafriend> pagios: Sure, a Raspberry Pi!
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[19:42] <pagios> friendofafriend, which one
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[19:43] <friendofafriend> A Raspi 3B+, for the built-in wireless, along with the camera module.
[19:43] <pagios> friendofafriend, how can i protect my code i am afriad some steal my code on rpi via the hardisk
[19:44] <friendofafriend> What code, pagios?
[19:44] <pagios> code to how to stream and tune
[19:45] <friendofafriend> There's already software for doing what you want. You mean, maybe, steal a command line?
[19:46] <pagios> what softwaer
[19:46] <Khaytsus> Why would you ask in here, and then reject "use a pi"
[19:46] <pagios> can i have a battery powered pi?
[19:46] <pagios> accessory
[19:46] <Khaytsus> Yes
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[19:46] <pagios> how long will it last onbattery
[19:46] <Khaytsus> But honestly why not just get something that's _made_ for this
[19:46] <friendofafriend> "PiJuice", and others.
[19:46] <Khaytsus> depends on how big your BATTERY is
[19:47] <Khaytsus> Do you have a question that isn't common sense coming?
[19:47] <Khaytsus> Just get an interior security camera
[19:47] <Khaytsus> $40-$50 and it's purpose made, just works
[19:48] <Khaytsus> Might be more for one with a decent mic on it
[19:48] <pagios> i need it to have a good mic
[19:48] <pagios> security cam dont have good mics
[19:48] <Khaytsus> So why are you asking in here?
[19:48] <pagios> where do u want me to ask!!
[19:48] <Khaytsus> vs......search on amazon or google
[19:48] <friendofafriend> Because he wants a Raspberry Pi, Khaytsus.
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[19:49] <Khaytsus> He didn't ask for that
[19:49] <Khaytsus> He asked for an ip camera suggestion
[19:49] <friendofafriend> Of course he did, he's *in* #raspberrypi.
[19:50] <friendofafriend> If you walked into a Volvo dealership and asked for a car, they're not selling you a Benz.
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[19:50] <Khaytsus> You'd think so, but he didn't.
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[19:51] <Khaytsus> Anywho, if using a pi.. I would not use the pi cam... Personally. I'd use some other usb camera and a decent mic and a usb sound card or such.
[19:51] <pagios> i want to 3d print it
[19:51] <pagios> so usb is not good
[19:51] * Khaytsus blinks
[19:52] <Khaytsus> What the hell does even mean or have to do with anything
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[19:52] <friendofafriend> I sure do like those Logitech C920s, good gosh they're expensive.
[19:52] <pagios> hardware encoder
[19:53] <pagios> haev you ever seen a prodcution ready product with a usb cam? of course not
[19:53] <pagios> u use csi or something a like
[19:53] <Khaytsus> If you want 'production ready' get it.
[19:54] <pagios> no iwanna do it
[19:54] <Khaytsus> What friendofafriend suggested is _not_ that expensive for what it is
[19:54] <Khaytsus> $80 and done. Pi, case, power supply, usb sound card, microphone, pi, cable.... that adds up very fast
[19:55] <friendofafriend> I saw some video of a chap Sugru'ing laptop webcams around his house.
[19:55] <pagios> the rpi cam doesnt have built in mic?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> no.
[19:56] <Khaytsus> No, and it'd be terrible if it did
[19:56] <pagios> so for mic in i need a usb sound card
[19:56] <pagios> no other option
[19:56] <friendofafriend> Nah, you could use a hat.
[19:56] <pagios> hat/
[19:56] <Khaytsus> God almighty
[19:57] <pagios> whats a hat
[19:57] <pagios> high audio transmitteR./
[19:57] <friendofafriend> Like this. https://www.amazon.com/ReSpeaker-Raspberry-Expansion-Microphone-Applications/dp/B07D5X7N6W
[19:59] <Khaytsus> All adding up to more than the actual camera that's ready to use out of the box
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> HArdware on Top
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[20:02] <pagios> it is more expensive than a commercial cam
[20:02] <friendofafriend> Right, but you'll get firmware updates forever.
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[20:03] <friendofafriend> And not to mention the wonderful community support.
[20:05] <Khaytsus> I see friendofafriend is signing up to spoonfeed you
[20:05] <friendofafriend> I was about to offer your installation services, Khaytsus.
[20:06] <Khaytsus> I'm as suble as nuclear war
[20:06] <Khaytsus> I'm a firm believer in tool for the job
[20:07] <Khaytsus> If you want a project, pi. If you want something that JSUT WORKS and doesnt need puzting with (ie: NOT a project) get a commercial item
[20:07] <Khaytsus> You can put screws in with a hammer... it's jsut rediculous to do
[20:08] <friendofafriend> Was checking out MotionEyeOS, looks like a great project. https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos/releases
[20:09] <Khaytsus> I just use mjpeg streamer into zoneminder for that sort
[20:09] <friendofafriend> There's even a pan-tilt HAT out there. Elegant, sleek. You'll think it's an Apple product. https://learn.pimoroni.com/static/repos/learn/sandyj/assembling-pan-tilt-hat-14.jpg
[20:10] <Khaytsus> And probably costs more than a residential commercial offering
[20:11] <Khaytsus> Not talking enterprise level stuff, that stuff gets stupid expensive
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[20:11] <friendofafriend> I use mjpeg-streamer a lot on Raspis and OpenWRT, it's nice to do the transcoding on the SBC if you can.
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[20:11] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: I just stream a low fps stream to zoneminder
[20:14] <Khaytsus> I could go higher over ethernet, but it's on wifi since it's in a window
[20:14] <friendofafriend> Keeping tabs on the neighborhood cats?
[20:15] <Khaytsus> Watching the front of the garage and back porch.. I have a 'real' camera (wansview, cheap) watching the back and front of the house
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[20:16] <friendofafriend> Do you end up transcoding the streams on the backend for streaming/storage?
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[20:17] <Khaytsus> Ummmm.. tbh not sure if zoneminder transcodes it or not
[20:19] <friendofafriend> It's probably the ickiest part of using mjpg-streamer, transcoding a bunch of cameras someplace else.
[20:19] <Khaytsus> I think it likely does since it takes wahtever input then stores it.. so I imagine it decodes it then likely recompresses it
[20:20] <friendofafriend> If your CPU load isn't really high, it's probably just capturing the MJPEG stream like you can with wget.
[20:22] <Khaytsus> Yeah it doesn't use a lot of cpu.. lots of SHM though
[20:23] <friendofafriend> That's fine if you're just using the streams on the LAN, but I'm streaming some cameras from a remote site, and 640x480 at 15fps was like 10Mbps with MJPG.
[20:23] <Khaytsus> Yeah.. this is all here. all the cameras are wifi though whic sucks ass... they pop in and out randomly
[20:23] <Khaytsus> I can realistically only wire one of them though.. the one on the garage would be a pain, I'd hve to run conduit all around etc
[20:24] <DanielTheFox> here's when I support h264 encoding, but that's far too slow
[20:24] <friendofafriend> You can do accelerated encoding on the Pi itself with ffmpeg.
[20:24] <Khaytsus> Seems like I tried ffmpeg once but it wasn't as reliable as mjpeg streamer
[20:25] <friendofafriend> I'm streaming the result to Icecast.
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[20:26] <friendofafriend> For CPU encoding, something like: /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg -hide_banner -loglevel panic -video_size 640x480 -framerate 30 -re -i /dev/video0 -preset ultrafast -vcodec libx264 -tune zerolatency -b 1400k -content_type 'video/ts' -f mpegts icecast://source:password@localhost:8000/stream.ts
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[20:28] <Khaytsus> Can it listen for connections in? zoneminder, as far as I know, you can't stream _to_ it
[20:29] <Khaytsus> It connects out and captures the stream
[20:29] <friendofafriend> There used to be a server component to ffmpeg, but it was deprecated for some reason. (ffserver)
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[20:30] <friendofafriend> So I'm just using Icecast instead, and it works perfectly fine though I guess it's not technically a supported use-case.
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[20:31] <friendofafriend> I've offloaded h264 encoding to an NVIDIA GPU with NVENC, which produces pretty good output. I hear more modern cards can output four streams at a time by NVENC.
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[20:36] <friendofafriend> (And once you've got your streams set up, you can make a mosaic out of them in VLC.)
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[20:37] <H4ndy> friendofafriend: you need a Quadro card for multiple concurrent encodes
[20:37] <H4ndy> GTX cards are limited to one stream, 2 sessions
[20:38] <H4ndy> https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-decode-gpu-support-matrix
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[20:42] <friendofafriend> That is one hot mess of which I can neither make heads nor tails.
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[20:44] <friendofafriend> Like the GP107, I have one NVENC but two sessions to it? On the GV100 I have 3 NVENC and two sessions? Is that per-NVENC sessions, or sessions total? What an awful mess.
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[20:51] <friendofafriend> But thanks for the link, H4ndy. :)
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[20:58] <ball> It might be nap time.
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[21:37] <morfin> hello
[21:37] <morfin> if i run omxplayer and change resolution it explodes whole OS it's ok?
[21:38] <DanielTheFox> this is obviously and horribly wrong
[21:38] <morfin> weird behavior is weird(now omxplayer is in status D)
[21:38] <morfin> and i can't reboot
[21:39] <friendofafriend> Pretty cool!
[21:39] <DanielTheFox> I'm attempting to stuff 16 GB USB image (not fully used, actually very little of it is used) into 8 GB microSD
[21:39] <DanielTheFox> so I can get less storage but better performance
[21:39] <morfin> lol
[21:39] <DanielTheFox> GParted is my friend
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> as is rsync
[21:40] <friendofafriend> Ever seen this, DanielTheFox? https://github.com/Drewsif/PiShrink
[21:40] <DanielTheFox> yeah, but the USB itself is extremely slow
[21:40] <DanielTheFox> like
[21:40] <DanielTheFox> 2 MB/s read
[21:41] <DanielTheFox> less than 1 MB/s write
[21:41] <DanielTheFox> it is insanely slow and untolerable
[21:41] <DanielTheFox> so I'll use this 8 GB microSD card
[21:41] <DanielTheFox> for sure I'll get a performance improvement
[21:42] <DanielTheFox> and I'll free up one USB port
[21:42] <DanielTheFox> I'll get this 32 GB SD card soon
[21:42] <DanielTheFox> but I don't want to wait forever-- I want better performance
[21:42] <DanielTheFox> microSD *
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[21:44] <oy1r> can i add ssh access to a rpi by accessing the sd card directly from my computer ?
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> oy1r, yes.
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> oy1r, mount the sd card then in the first partition (which should be FAT) just create an empty file called ssh
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> this is all documented on the foundation website.
[21:46] <DanielTheFox> wait
[21:46] <DanielTheFox> does this work?
[21:46] <DanielTheFox> this is very handy for screenless devices, supposedly SSH is not enabled by default anymore
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> that's right, but you enable it offline.
[21:47] <oy1r> how about username and password ?
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> it's been that way for a few years now.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> oy1r, it's the default pi + raspberry
[21:47] <oy1r> i have a marine traffic receiver it's running on a rpi, but they dont want me to access the pi with ssh.
[21:47] <oy1r> i asked for a login/pswd
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> who are "they" ?
[21:48] <oy1r> Marinetraffic.com
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> and they supplied the Pi?
[21:48] <oy1r> indeed.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> if they own it, then they can do what they like with it.
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> however, if you own it, then you can do what you like with it.
[21:49] <oy1r> well they sent it to me.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> i'd read the small print first.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> however it would be trivial to block the usual /boot/ssh method and change the passwords.
[21:50] <oy1r> it's to small.
[21:50] <oy1r> :P
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> also equally trivial to hack in if you have a Linux PC and sd card reader and know what you're doing.
[21:51] <oy1r> ssh is enabled i just dont have credentials for it.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> try login as pi password raspberry but I expect they have changed it.
[21:51] <DanielTheFox> so you're trying to break in a computer you don't own :)
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> if someone sends me a gift, then I own it.. however I don't know what country oy1r is in, nor what the small-print is, etc. blah. ENOINFO.
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[22:07] <johnjay> well i just discovered the glory of using tmux and ssh to have an irc client accessible from my pi anywhere
[22:07] <johnjay> but I fried it and now reinstalling. T_T
[22:07] <friendofafriend> Way to go, johnjay! Are you using irssi?
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[22:08] * DanielTheFox is a spoiled Weechat boy :p
[22:08] <johnjay> no weechat. i like the colors. even if i have to set the TERM environment variable to get them
[22:08] <johnjay> TERM=screen-256color weechat
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[22:10] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: Weebrat** ;D
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> xD
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> ^5
[22:11] <friendofafriend> v5, bawse.
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[22:12] <johnjay> does irrssi have settings like auto join and channel tabs save/restore?
[22:12] <johnjay> if so i might give it a shot
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[22:17] <friendofafriend> johnjay: Oh gosh, I'd never use it otherwise. You set it up through its config file.
[22:18] <johnjay> ok cool
[22:19] <johnjay> before i screwed up my ubuntu kernel i was using tmux with windows and panes and such
[22:19] <johnjay> real midnight commander level stuff
[22:19] <friendofafriend> What's old becomes new again.
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[22:20] <johnjay> honestly i don't know why nobody ever mentioned tmux before
[22:20] <johnjay> why would you use a command line without it
[22:20] <friendofafriend> I use screen, here.
[22:21] <johnjay> yeah or that
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[22:22] <johnjay> the weird thing is that raspbian has that red/blue/green square thingie
[22:22] <johnjay> and i was trying to install raspi3-firmware and get vc4 drivers
[22:23] <johnjay> everything was screwed up and i suddenly started seeing that 4 color square thing
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[22:34] * DanielTheFox uses screen too
[22:34] <Khaytsus> screen... how quaint
[22:35] <DanielTheFox> keybinds are easy to pick up
[22:36] <Khaytsus> I used screen since the 80s but switched to tmux a couple years ago
[22:36] <johnjay> Khaytsus: each one of those years was a precious year I missed for not having tmux in my life
[22:36] <Khaytsus> I am using a screen-like command setup though.... lots of muscle memory
[22:37] <Khaytsus> Honestly tmux isn't that big a deal compared to screen.. just easier to script and has some more interesting features that I likely don't even use
[22:38] <ali1234> johnjay: personally i use a terminal emulator called terminator that has tabs and split windows. i find it easier to control that stuff with the mouse than with keyboard shortcuts that tmux needs
[22:38] <ali1234> however it could be a bit slow on raspberry pi... it's written in python
[22:38] <Khaytsus> gross
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[22:39] <ali1234> i generally prefer to use the mouse for window management. i don't like tiling WMs
[22:40] <ali1234> one nice feature of screen and presumably tmux is that two people can share a shell
[22:40] <Khaytsus> or detach from a shell, resume from it multiple times, etc
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[22:43] <friendofafriend> You can share a shell with screen, too.
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[22:44] <friendofafriend> (That's -x .)
[22:46] <Khaytsus> sure. tmux and screen
[22:46] <Khaytsus> but not this gui thing that ali1234 uses
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[22:47] <ali1234> it's not something i need very often
[22:48] <Khaytsus> I use tmux 24/7/365
[22:48] <Khaytsus> Every shell. Every ssh.
[22:49] <DanielTheFox> hmm, I do the same with screen
[22:49] <Khaytsus> Shell scripts attach (and if not existing, creates) automatically... seamless
[22:49] <DanielTheFox> everytime
[22:49] <ali1234> what do you use on 29th of february?
[22:49] <DanielTheFox> he enjoys real life :P
[22:49] <DanielTheFox> that's the only february 29 each four days
[22:49] <ali1234> too real
[22:49] <DanielTheFox> something special has to be done :D
[22:49] <DanielTheFox> *four years
[22:50] <TheNik> I have a Python function that interfaces with a module that creates-or-appends a file. This create-or-append is not optional, so in some cases, /dev/null is passed to the module to avoid creating any files. In my interface function, I want to set up /dev/null as the default parameter. I also want to delete the file if it already exists, so things do not get appended between sessions. I will do so via os.delete(path) and pass in
[22:50] <TheNik> case of an exception. However, in the case of the default parameter /dev/null I am unsure what the outcome will be. Is it safe to os.delete() /dev/null? Or should I introduce a special case for that?
[22:52] <ali1234> wait
[22:52] <ali1234> first, can you show your code?
[22:53] <ali1234> second, if you want to delete the file if it exists, why open it for append?
[22:53] <ali1234> it's not safe to delete /dev/null as that will attempt to delete the device node which would be extremely bad if it actually succeeded
[22:53] <ali1234> but it is safe to open it for overwriting
[22:54] <TheNik> The create-or-append is handled by an external module (picamera). I cannot show the code, because I am only planning it for now. I do have the relevant os.delete() part though, it's just not integrated into the function yet.
[22:54] <ali1234> which part of picamera api?
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[22:55] <TheNik> picamera.PiCamera.start_recording()
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[22:58] <ali1234> hmm okay
[22:58] <ali1234> well this is what i advise: don't treat the string "/dev/null" as None
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> actually
[22:59] <ali1234> use None in your code whenever you don't want to record to a file
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> I wouldn't mess around with /dev/*
[22:59] <ali1234> when it comes to pass the file into picamera do something like: "/dev/null" if filename is None else filename
[23:00] <ali1234> when you go to delete an existing file, if filename is None, do nothing
[23:00] <TheNik> I see
[23:01] <TheNik> Good thing I asked before doing, I guess :D
[23:01] <ali1234> None is really handy in python as a default argument etc
[23:02] <TheNik> Anyway, thank you, I will see what I can do with None.
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