#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2018-12-25

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[0:40] <RcHaCk> anyone here ever use a camera addon for the raspberry pi ?
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[0:56] <ZorroT> is there a way to get codecs to support formats such as AIFF with aplay?
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[1:31] <RcHaCk> anyone here ever use a camera addon for the raspberry pi ?
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[2:33] <mfa298> RcHaCk: yes
[2:34] <RcHaCk> which one do you have ?
[2:36] <mfa298> I didn't specify I have used one. Just that people have
[2:37] <RcHaCk> i c
[2:37] <mfa298> I did use the originl 5MP PiCam on the originl 1B shortly after they came out. but that was a long time ago
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[2:37] <RcHaCk> is it just for pictures ? or can it do video also ?
[2:38] <RcHaCk> and how do you control it ?
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[2:39] <mfa298> I was using it for pictures and used some python thing.
[2:40] <Khaytsus> I use mjpegstreamer or something
[2:44] <RcHaCk> mjpegstreamer ?
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[3:26] <cybertree> i used a logitech webcam with motion eye os on a rpi 2
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[3:32] <on3pk> Merry Christmas, everyone
[3:32] <on3pk> Is there a way to set the default gateway in the interface file? I have wlan0 and wlan1, but it wants to use wlan0 as the gateway
[3:33] <SKlaus> change the metric cost?
[3:35] <RcHaCk> you have 2 wlan's ?
[3:37] <on3pk> RcHaCk, I have a regular wlan and sometimes I use the hotspot on my phone. I want as much activity to go over my phone as possible
[3:38] <ZeZu> https://serverfault.com/questions/123553/how-to-set-the-preferred-network-interface-in-linux
[3:38] <RcHaCk> ohh so your using ethernet wired connection and the wifi ?
[3:46] <on3pk> I have the built-in wifi and a usb wifi adapter. So two wifis
[3:47] <RcHaCk> ahh
[3:47] <RcHaCk> ya iam going to need that also
[3:48] <RcHaCk> for one of my pi's
[3:49] <on3pk> I think for what I'm doing it's significantly more painful than it's worth. So I wish you the best of luck
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[3:50] <RcHaCk> well really i just need to send one thing out on the wifi
[3:51] <RcHaCk> should be fairly simple
[3:51] <RcHaCk> eth0 will be main ... but eth1 will just have to call a url
[3:51] <on3pk> That's basically what I'm trying to do
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[3:52] <RcHaCk> ohh ya ?
[3:52] <on3pk> More or less. But I also know very little about the in-depth details of linux networking
[3:54] <RcHaCk> ive done some networking on linux before but iam a bit rusty its been a while
[3:55] <RcHaCk> why you trying to call a url from the one connection ?
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[3:58] <on3pk> To waste internet traffic on my phone
[3:58] <RcHaCk> lol really ? why would you want to do that
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[3:59] <RcHaCk> isnt phone data limited
[3:59] <on3pk> well. That might be the best explanation. It's really just to learn.
[3:59] <on3pk> Sprint's unlimited plan comes with 50gb of hotspot data
[3:59] <RcHaCk> ahh
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[3:59] <RcHaCk> i only get 13gb per month data
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[4:00] <RcHaCk> but unlimited hotspot wifi
[4:00] <on3pk> dang that sucks. What provider do you have?
[4:00] <RcHaCk> iam in canada
[4:00] <RcHaCk> are phone providers here suck
[4:00] <on3pk> Ah I see.
[4:01] <on3pk> Your wireline ISPs are limited too, right? I thought I heard that Bell complained that companies were able to beat it on price, so they made sure there was limits
[4:01] <RcHaCk> bell sucks
[4:02] <on3pk> I bet
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[4:09] <on3pk> Hm. I bet 90% of my electricity use is raspberry pi related.
[4:09] <hodapp> you'd need a lot of Pis for that :P
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[4:11] <on3pk> Or live in complete darkness with only a raspberry pi for warmth :(
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[4:12] <hodapp> I'll donate a Pentium 4 to you
[4:13] <on3pk> I don't need *that* much heat
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[4:20] <on3pk> RcHaCk, one thing I will say, is I've only had luck using external RealTek interfaces. I have an Ralink chipset that just doesn't work on any of my Pis
[4:21] <friendofafriend> on3pk: Does it have drivers?
[4:21] <on3pk> It should
[4:22] <on3pk> But to me it wasn't worth trying to fix since getting new adapters is so cheap
[4:22] <Khaytsus> A pie uses what, 1w?
[4:24] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: At idle?
[4:26] <Khaytsus> Probably
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[6:44] <ekiro> Anyone here familiar with PiJuice & Solar?
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[6:46] <noahajac> ekiro: Probably should just ask
[6:48] <ekiro> Basically what I'm trying to do is mount a PiJuice on top of a Pi 3 B+ and then a Dragino LoRa/GPS HAT on top of that. A triple stack. I wonder if that will all fit together. Also another concern is that the PiJuice comes with a ~1600mAh battery. I need a bigger one for about a 24hr lifespan. But a bigger sized battery wont fit in the HAT stack. Is it possible to attach a bigger battery by wire? And if so can I attach a larger size battery in
[6:48] <ekiro> addition to the 1600mAh battery included with the PiJuice? Hope someone can clarify this. I'm still pretty new to the Pi world and would like to make sure all of this will work out before I buy.
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[11:30] <blackbart> Can I ask questions relating to other single board computers? (in particular I want to know which alternative might be better for my needs)
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[11:35] <mlelstv> that depends on your needs and your own skills :)
[11:36] <blackbart> Is it ok to discuss banana pi and other raspberry pi alternaties here though?
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[11:38] <blackbart> I skimmed the rules but didn't see it. I noticed they practically used banana as a curse though...
[11:38] <mlelstv> cursing isn't allowed here :)
[11:38] <blackbart> lol
[11:42] <blackbart> I am looking for the smallest possible single board computer with a touchscreen and case available (need: sd card, audio output; hdmi, usb, and wifi are ok depending on size).
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[11:42] <blackbart> This is the smallest I've found so far: https://www.adafruit.com/product/2808
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[11:43] <ShorTie> that is just a bezel
[11:44] <blackbart> yes, but it demonstrates that that board + screen can fit into that case and be that size
[11:45] <blackbart> I'm fine with a kit. board + screen + case, smallest size possible
[11:46] <ShorTie> what is the matter with the A+ it is designed for ??
[11:46] <blackbart> oooh fuck. Gonna want battery too. This aint gonna work
[11:47] <ShorTie> now you broke the rules !!!!!
[11:47] <blackbart> oops! sorry
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> blackbart, please keep it famiy friendly here.
[11:48] <blackbart> I had a sansa clip mp3 player running rockbox that awesome, but it's discontinued and I thought a raspberry pi type of replacement would've been cool
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is more of the general purpose computer than a specific media type device, however there are things like kodi that run on the Pi.
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[11:57] <mlelstv> the small screens are usually not hdmi and the analog audio of the rpi is of low quality.
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[13:16] <phinxy> It sounds good to my ears
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[15:06] <Khaytsus> Pi audio is horrid, use a USB dac if you're do Media
[15:07] <jarod> you can fix it by bridging the protection, which removes the low Hz
[15:07] <jarod> But yes, better just use i2s or usb
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[15:20] <iodev> Khaytsus: audiophile has been detected, exterminate, exterminate
[15:20] <Khaytsus> Nonsense
[15:20] <Khaytsus> Pi's outout is horrid. I am NO audiophool
[15:21] <iodev> :D you don't watch Doctor Who?
[15:21] <Khaytsus> Nor am I a who fan but yes I know what you're referring to
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[16:59] <mojtaba> Hello, (It might not be related to this topic. It is more network based problem.) I have a raspberry pi which is connected to the router wirelessly, and I have a vpn client configured on it. My router is very old, and I cannot install a new firmware on it. I just wanted to know that if it could be possible to router all the chromecast traffic through raspberry pi? (Through VPN?)
[16:59] <mojtaba> to route*
[17:00] <mojtaba> I can connect Chromcast to the raspberry pi, using a LAN cable.
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[17:17] <CarlFK> mojtaba: can you set a static IP and gateway on the Chromcast ?
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[20:23] <ekiro> Basically what I'm trying to do is mount a PiJuice on top of a Pi 3 B+ and then a Dragino LoRa/GPS HAT on top of that. A triple stack. I wonder if that will all fit together. Also another concern is that the PiJuice comes with a ~1600mAh battery. I need a bigger one for about a 24hr lifespan. But a bigger sized battery wont fit in the HAT stack. Is it possible to attach a bigger battery by wire? And if so can I attach a larger size battery in
[20:23] <ekiro> addition to the 1600mAh battery included with the PiJuice? Hope someone can clarify this. I'm still pretty new to the Pi world and would like to make sure all of this will work out before I buy.
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[20:26] <DanielTheFox> ekiro: the PiJuice manages all the Pi's power?
[20:26] <DanielTheFox> or it just provides a battery and some circuitery for 3.7V to 5V and viceversa?
[20:27] <ekiro> DanielTheFox I would assume so. So they say. It has fantastic power managment.
[20:27] <DanielTheFox> the Pi itself has little to no power management capabilities
[20:27] <ekiro> Yeah the PiJuice manages the power
[20:27] <DanielTheFox> no deep sleep, no suspend
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[20:27] <DanielTheFox> the "power off" doesn't even power off
[20:28] <DanielTheFox> but if the PiJuice can manage all this, then I expect a fair enough battery life
[20:28] <DanielTheFox> ekiro: for reference
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[20:29] <DanielTheFox> my Pi 3 B+ underclocked to 180 MHz (and the GPU to 150 MHz, SDRAM at 120 MHz) and with a 150mA SPI LCD screen lasts almost 12 hours with a 12500mAh powerbank
[20:30] <DanielTheFox> for reference, most cellphones last less than that when playing games, watching videos or doing stuff that doesn't allow the phone to suspend/sleep into a proper sleep state
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[20:31] <ekiro> According to their website the 1.8k mAh battery (standard motorola phone battery) will last 4-6hrs with constant use. What I would like to setup is for there to be a big enough battery so it can charge during the day then run on battery at night. I would also like some extra capacity incase of cloudy or rainy days where maybe just 1hr or so of sunlight is available. I tested my Pi and it draws ~6W under load. My guess is once the LoRa HAT is
[20:31] <ekiro> attached it may bump it up by a watt or two.
[20:31] <ekiro> 12500mAh
[20:31] <ekiro> That's a lot more than 1600
[20:31] <DanielTheFox> yup
[20:31] <DanielTheFox> but, well
[20:31] <DanielTheFox> the RPi is also running with no sleep
[20:31] <ekiro> oh you have a screen
[20:31] <DanielTheFox> yep
[20:31] * CoJaBo just got a 3B+ =D
[20:31] <DanielTheFox> no need to attach TV
[20:32] <CoJaBo> Does this have 5gw ifi
[20:32] <CoJaBo> ?
[20:32] <DanielTheFox> just headphones
[20:32] <DanielTheFox> CoJaBo: 5 GHz WiFi, yep
[20:32] <DanielTheFox> I don't have 5 GHz-capable WiFi, so well :P
[20:32] <CoJaBo> My last Pi3 with working wifi died the other week
[20:32] <DanielTheFox> that'd be our only 5 GHz-capable device
[20:32] <DanielTheFox> how are they dying?
[20:33] <CoJaBo> The wifi just stops being able to transfer data
[20:33] <DanielTheFox> I'm taking a lot of care of my only RPi
[20:33] <CoJaBo> It connects, even gets an IP, but I can't ping either direction
[20:33] <DanielTheFox> that'd sound like a software issue? or a driver? dunno
[20:33] <CoJaBo> Problem persists even when swapping a known-working SD card
[20:33] <ekiro> I spoke to Pi Supply (makers of PiJuice) and they say they will update their store in a couple weeks and list a 5K and 10K mAh Lipo battery which you can attach to the PiJuice HAT. I will need to ask them more questions I guess as they are the ones who make it. It's just communication is so slow...
[20:34] <DanielTheFox> ekiro: so I guess, with my usage pattern
[20:34] <DanielTheFox> a 1600mAh battery would last 2 hours at most
[20:34] <ekiro> Yup
[20:34] <ekiro> My power usage will be much less.
[20:35] <DanielTheFox> yep
[20:35] <DanielTheFox> this LCD has no proper software-controlled backlight
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[20:35] <DanielTheFox> so the LCD is always drawing full power (150 mA)
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[20:36] <ekiro> Ultimatly what I am trying to build here is a self-sufficient (solar powered) mesh node (using Dragino's LoRa/GPS HAT) that will hot the Bitcoin blockchain (full node). It will only use some CPU every 10min. Otherwise be idle most of the time. I'll have to experiment with what battery and solar panel size I'll need to get maximum uptime.
[20:37] <ekiro> I will be SSHing into the unit. Never use a display.
[20:37] <DanielTheFox> ekiro: so I guess if I make my RPi last about 15% longer by not using the LCD
[20:37] <DanielTheFox> it will last about... ~12 hours? 13 hours?
[20:37] <DanielTheFox> but still
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[20:37] <ekiro> hm
[20:38] <ekiro> Is it possible to get it to last 24hrs?
[20:38] <ekiro> just on battery
[20:38] <ekiro> This is what Pi-Supply claims is possible with a 10K mAh battery
[20:38] <DanielTheFox> in my case, I'd need a battery almost exactly twice as large
[20:38] <ekiro> What kind of battery do you have? I'll look it up
[20:39] <DanielTheFox> Adata P12500D
[20:39] <DanielTheFox> it has a tiny and cute percentage LED screen
[20:39] <DanielTheFox> which seems to count linearly, it always lasts about 7 minutes per 1% with my Pi
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> I'm not truly sure of its weight
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> I bought the red one
[20:41] <ekiro> Interesting
[20:41] <DanielTheFox> did you see it?
[20:41] <ekiro> Yep
[20:41] <DanielTheFox> what's LED's color?
[20:41] <ekiro> In my blue
[20:41] <ekiro> and black
[20:42] <ekiro> according to google imgs
[20:42] <DanielTheFox> ok, yes
[20:42] <DanielTheFox> it's always blue
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[20:42] <ekiro> the red one looks purple
[20:42] <DanielTheFox> if you happen to have one, you'll be surprised that the LEDs actually flicker
[20:42] <DanielTheFox> well, here it is still blue
[20:42] <DanielTheFox> but true, some colors in some eyes affect how the other colors look
[20:43] <DanielTheFox> my eyes sometimes fail to detect beige over 50% gray, the beige looks like a darker gray even when everybody else says it's beige
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[20:44] <ekiro> In my case I'd like just the bare bones. No case or anything. As I want to assemble my build in the most compact way possible, then 3D print a custom designed enclosure for it. Once all done I'll mount it to the roof along with a PiJuice solar panel.
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> how big is the solar panel?
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[20:45] <DanielTheFox> sunlight is taken quite inefficiently: we're in a tiny planet, the sun is very far away (and comparatively to the distance, it's very small) and we attempt to feed a goddamn 90kW car with solar panels smaller than car's roof and hood
[20:46] <ekiro> pretty small (https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/pijuice-solar-panel-12-watt)
[20:46] <ekiro> supplies 12W
[20:46] <ekiro> Their biggest supplies 40W (https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/pijuice-solar-panel-40-watt)
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> 38x26
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> cm
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> yeah, it's far larger than the Pi
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[20:47] <DanielTheFox> yet it barely supplies enough power to feed the Pi alone
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> :D
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> you lucky boy, you live in the UK, right?
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> or USA?
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[20:49] <ekiro> USA
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> yeah, lucky boy :P
[20:49] <ekiro> relativly sunny
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[20:49] <ekiro> lol indeed
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[20:50] <DanielTheFox> I had to buy my Pi and the screen at overprice because direct dealers (with better prices) have insane high shipping prices or are located in the biggest cities, where I don't live
[20:51] <ekiro> you pay VAT too?
[20:51] <DanielTheFox> I don't think so
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[20:51] <ekiro> thank god
[20:51] <ekiro> It's ridiculous how high the prices are outside the US
[20:51] <DanielTheFox> the VAT is already on the prices
[20:51] <DanielTheFox> on every price
[20:52] <DanielTheFox> by law, every price sold here should already have the VAT included
[20:52] <DanielTheFox> so if the label reads $40, you pay exactly $40
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[20:52] <DanielTheFox> btw, the VAT here is 16% for everything non-food, non-clothes and non-medicines
[20:52] <DanielTheFox> food, clothes and medicines are VAT-free
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[20:53] <DanielTheFox> junk food and other non-necessary-for-life stuff still has to pay VAT
[20:53] <ekiro> lol
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[20:54] <ekiro> Good way to deter obesity
[20:54] <RcHaCk> hey what i max size sd card for the pi ? iam reading all different sizes ... some people are using upto 128gb but others say max 32gb and others 64gb etc...
[20:54] <DanielTheFox> ekiro: for worse, it's just making government richer, fat men just spend more and more :P
[20:54] <aro> how can i run a command on power on when in read only mode?
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[20:55] <ekiro> Yeah the US is weird. You see a price tag and can always experct to pay a little extra at checkout. They calculate the tax at the end
[20:55] <aro> i was using cron @reboot, but that went away when i went ro
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> RcHaCk: the fundation says they've tested 256 GB and no problem
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> I think they said in their FAQ
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> lemme check
[20:55] <RcHaCk> ohh 256 would be nice
[20:55] <RcHaCk> i only need a big card in on of the pi's for database and storage
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> RcHaCk: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/faqs/#sd-cards
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> my bad, they tested 128 GB
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> but still, I guess it's pretty much unlimited
[20:56] <RcHaCk> wonder why others are having issues with some cards then
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> and if there's something wrong with larger SD cards, a firmware update will come up and fix that :D
[20:56] <RcHaCk> cheap cards ?
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[20:57] <DanielTheFox> RcHaCk: among other things: cheap cards, dirty slot/cards, wored cards and bad brands
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[20:58] <DanielTheFox> and, reportedly, some cards (of any price) hate being shutdown with no warning (for example, if your battery dies or there's a power outage), and end up corrupting everything
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[20:59] <RcHaCk> thats odd
[20:59] <DanielTheFox> I bought a Kingston microSDHC card, 32 GB
[20:59] <DanielTheFox> that's all the size I needed and wanted
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> it works properly
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> it survives power outages
[21:00] <RcHaCk> i guess i could always just put a external usb hd for bigger storage if needed
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> yes
[21:01] <DanielTheFox> make sure your PSU (and the Pi) can provide the necessary power that stuff often wants
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[21:01] <DanielTheFox> the official 2.5A PSU should be a good start
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[21:02] <RcHaCk> yes it will be sucking power
[21:02] <RcHaCk> i will have alot of stuff pluged in
[21:02] <DanielTheFox> I haven't tested USB HDD here tho
[21:03] <DanielTheFox> I don't have one anyway
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[21:03] <DanielTheFox> I bought a VPS with lots of HDD as a cheap and unmanaged (or managed by me alone) cloud
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[21:08] <RcHaCk> i might just use a pc puter has a server also
[21:08] <DanielTheFox> ekiro: I want that solar panel O_o
[21:08] <DanielTheFox> but it's very expensive
[21:09] <ekiro> I use a 2.5" SSD connected via SATA 3 to USB3 adapter using the standard 5.1v 2.5a PSU and it works fine
[21:09] <DanielTheFox> I'd be able to charge that power bank "quickly" with that
[21:09] <ekiro> yeah that soler panel is super cool
[21:09] <DanielTheFox> the chargers here work well
[21:09] <ekiro> Thats exactly what I ant
[21:09] <ekiro> want
[21:09] <DanielTheFox> but what if I'm not at home or if there's a goddamn power outage :D
[21:09] <ekiro> A big solar panel to charge a high capacity battery quickly. This way it can keep the pi running for 24hr+ incase it gets cloudy or rainy
[21:10] <DanielTheFox> yeah
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[21:10] <DanielTheFox> I want it for different usage patterns
[21:10] <ekiro> From my understandinf PiJuice's solar panels are pretty durable too
[21:10] <DanielTheFox> such as charging the powerbank even during outages
[21:11] <DanielTheFox> or charging cellphones
[21:11] <DanielTheFox> it seems to have a nice power output
[21:11] <ekiro> Thats a great usecase too
[21:11] <ekiro> indeed
[21:11] <DanielTheFox> but dang, it's very expensive
[21:11] <ekiro> Indeed
[21:12] <DanielTheFox> 140 pounds, and I don't want to see the shipping price/time to Mexico D:
[21:12] <ekiro> And I think you may need the PiJuice HAT but im not sure. It may just work with the solar panel
[21:12] <DanielTheFox> it seems to have two USB jacks
[21:12] <DanielTheFox> https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/pijuice-solar-panel-40-watt
[21:12] <DanielTheFox> the 40-watt
[21:12] <ekiro> Wait
[21:12] <DanielTheFox> I want this one
[21:12] <ekiro> If it ships to MX you dont pay VAT
[21:13] <DanielTheFox> two USB jacks, with regulated 5V
[21:13] <ekiro> so the price would be £116.25 GBP ex VAT
[21:13] <DanielTheFox> nice
[21:13] <DanielTheFox> now, in Mexico, things get stuck long time
[21:13] <ekiro> Yeah the price excluding VAT is under the big price
[21:13] <ekiro> £139.50 GBP
[21:13] <ekiro> £116.25 GBP ex VAT
[21:13] <ekiro> Customs?
[21:14] <DanielTheFox> yep
[21:14] <ekiro> Lol I know the feeling.
[21:14] <DanielTheFox> about a week or two
[21:14] <DanielTheFox> best case
[21:14] <ekiro> I had it happen to me a couple times... took 3 weeks to clear. they randomly select packages to inspect
[21:14] <DanielTheFox> my dad has bought stuff from China
[21:14] <DanielTheFox> customs seems to stuck things there an average of 2 weeks
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[21:16] <DanielTheFox> ekiro: so I'll just get bitcoins with some online job and buy that thing :P
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[21:17] <DanielTheFox> https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/pijuice-solar-panel-12-watt
[21:17] <DanielTheFox> now this one is less expensive
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[21:18] <DanielTheFox> but it's 2.1A or so
[21:18] <DanielTheFox> yep, 2A
[21:18] <DanielTheFox> it's /barely/ enough to charge the powerbank fullspeed
[21:19] <DanielTheFox> but if it can provide 1A, I'm already happy
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[21:23] <ekiro> DanielTheFox I can tell you all about bitcoin/crytpo
[21:23] <ekiro> Something I am very passionate about since 2011
[21:23] <DanielTheFox> well
[21:24] <DanielTheFox> I think it already hit the bottom
[21:24] <DanielTheFox> but who know
[21:24] <ekiro> Same
[21:24] <DanielTheFox> knows
[21:24] <ekiro> I think 3k is bottom
[21:24] <DanielTheFox> it is barely getting up from the bottom
[21:24] <DanielTheFox> and I've been into bitcoins since about three weeks ago
[21:24] <DanielTheFox> when I received a 25 USD donation
[21:24] <DanielTheFox> and started spending it in some VPS that actually accepted bitcoin
[21:25] <ekiro> Now it will flucutate for a year or two until the next boom. I've lived through 5 of these booms and busts but in the long term its just going to grow.
[21:25] <ekiro> Nice
[21:25] <DanielTheFox> and obviously I already have a plan to keep that VPS alive
[21:25] <ekiro> Where do you get your VPSs?
[21:25] <DanielTheFox> time4vps.eu
[21:26] <DanielTheFox> they had a nice deal: 512 GB, HDD-speed, no backup, 4 EUR/month
[21:26] <DanielTheFox> and since no VAT, I just pay the bill plus the bitcoin transfer fee
[21:26] <ekiro> I use Hetzner. Fantastic service. Unbetable prices. https://www.hetzner.com/cloud
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[21:27] <ekiro> 1 vCPU, 2GB RAM, 20GB SSD 2.5 EUR/mo
[21:27] <DanielTheFox> heh, yeah
[21:27] <DanielTheFox> do they accept bitcoin?
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[21:27] <ekiro> Not the last time I checked
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[21:29] <DanielTheFox> a clever friend wrote some bots for automating click-ad-for-money websites
[21:29] <DanielTheFox> which give little money
[21:29] <DanielTheFox> but with the bots, he says he earns about $8/month or so
[21:29] <DanielTheFox> which is enough to pay a VPS
[21:29] <DanielTheFox> and the bots can run on the VPS, so it can self-pay
[21:29] <DanielTheFox> as long as I keep creating accounts
[21:29] <ekiro> $8/mo ?! You're rich!
[21:30] <DanielTheFox> now, with another service (independent from the first one) it pays about $7/month, more or less
[21:30] <DanielTheFox> and it can run along with the first one
[21:30] <DanielTheFox> so, $15/month
[21:31] <DanielTheFox> so I'll withdraw to Payeer account, then convert to bitcoin, and last step, pay VPS
[21:32] <DanielTheFox> this quite requires some initial invest
[21:33] <ekiro> indeed
[21:33] <DanielTheFox> unfortunately
[21:33] <DanielTheFox> time4vps.eu has no hourly bill
[21:34] <DanielTheFox> you must pay the whole month
[21:34] <DanielTheFox> even if you don't want to use it the whole month
[21:35] <DanielTheFox> I'd like to have some hourly-billed server where I would do some video encoding :)
[21:35] <DanielTheFox> but that means I'll have to seek somewhere else
[21:35] <ekiro> Yeah and it would have to be powerful too
[21:35] <DanielTheFox> yep
[21:35] <d0rm0us3> aws?
[21:35] <DanielTheFox> Amazon W--
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[21:36] <DanielTheFox> yes, those are the best ones for that use case
[21:36] <DanielTheFox> of course, they don't accept bitcoin
[21:36] <d0rm0us3> aye.. only billed for run time.
[21:36] <d0rm0us3> true that
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[21:37] <DanielTheFox> and, generally speaking
[21:37] <DanielTheFox> AWS is pretty expensive
[21:37] <DanielTheFox> they charge your butt for everything
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> can't you do the encoding on an ordinary desktop PC?
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> or a Pi?
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[21:49] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: I don't have powerful enough devices to encode -preset veryslow (highest bitrate efficiency) realtime 640x360 video realtime
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> leave it running overnight?
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[21:50] <DanielTheFox> kind of an option
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> you sleep, Pi's work.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> (or desktop, etc.)
[21:51] <DanielTheFox> but I wouldn't be able to sleep thinking that I'm overstressing the Pi with heavy workload without proper ventilation
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> Pi's throttle when they get too hot.
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[21:52] <DanielTheFox> but then it'll take more than the whole night :)
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> trivial to check anyway and the 3b+ is much better than the 3b.
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> fair enough
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> stick an ordinary desk fan over them.
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> I'll run the 3 B+ at full speed
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> 3rd world solutions to 1st world problems...
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> I don't think I can fry the LCD I put on the computer
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> on the Pi
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[21:53] <DanielTheFox> modern liquid crystal displays (TFT kind) should be able to stand fairly high temperatures
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> why should an lcd fry?
[21:53] <DanielTheFox> such as... 85°C?
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> remove the lcd.
[21:54] <TheNik> Hi there, Merry Christmas to all US people! I have this problem where I am trying to drive a HC-SR04 sensor on my Pi Zero (Raspbian) with Python, in a non-blocking way, i.e. not waiting for the echo signal all the time, but instead have an interrupt for it. I tried to define an interrupt via GPIO.add_event_detect, but for some reason the interrupt is not firing. I double checked the pin number (it is correct)
[21:54] <TheNik> and I looked at the line with a scope, and the signal is there. Here is my code: https://pastebin.com/rvFP7qmF What am I doing wrong?
[21:54] <DanielTheFox> but then, I don't have a proper video output cable
[21:54] <DanielTheFox> nor HDMI TV/monitor
[21:54] <DanielTheFox> I have lots of composite TVs, but no proper cable for 'em :)
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> TheNik, what about us UK peopke?
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> you don't needs video to do the actual encoding. jus run the a Pi headless and let it get on with it.
[21:54] <TheNik> gordonDrogon: Do you have Christmas on the 25th too?
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> TheNik, amazingly, we do.
[21:55] <TheNik> In that case, Merry Christmas to you too! o/
[21:55] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: ok
[21:55] <DanielTheFox> that implies I'll keep a second computer controlling the first one, no problem :)
[21:55] <TheNik> In Germany, we celebrate on the 24th
[21:55] <DanielTheFox> TheNik: we celebrate it today
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> TheNik, oh, Germany? Thought you were in the US ..
[21:56] <TheNik> Beer-land, more like :P
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> barbra rhubarb cake land.
[21:56] <TheNik> That too
[21:56] <TheNik> I would have thought my English shows that I am not a native speaker
[21:57] <TheNik> (Do you say "on the <day->th of <month>", or is the preposition different?)
[21:57] * gordonDrogon doesn't care.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> I've lived both sides of the atlantic and visited down under. I cope.
[21:58] <TheNik> Haha
[21:58] * DanielTheFox dislikes the <day>th idea altogether
[21:58] <TheNik> What about above?
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> oncest tooth threeth fourth ..
[21:59] * DanielTheFox sticks to saying the whole month+day or prefixing the word "day"
[21:59] <DanielTheFox> I went to the bowling class this march 23
[21:59] <TheNik> I did not mean to say that we have the Tuesdayth today
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> iso 1861
[21:59] <DanielTheFox> I crashed the car this day 13
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> the end of the world was supposed to be on 2012/12/23
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> (or it was 21?)
[22:00] <TheNik> So my question rephrased would be "do you celebrate Christmas every December 25"
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> yes
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> it also enforces the month to be December
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> I dislike implicit mode
[22:01] <TheNik> Dammit C++ people
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> because it leaves space to misinterpretations
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> but when you said: "Merry Christmas to all US people" I thought you mean people from the US ..
[22:01] <TheNik> Miscompilations too
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> as in the U.S of A.
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> I prefer forcing explicit mode
[22:02] <TheNik> gordonDrogon: I did
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> even if some phrases sound redundant
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> I prefer BASIC.
[22:02] <TheNik> I erroneously assumed USA is the only place where Christmas is on (on?) the 25th
[22:02] <TheNik> of December
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> anway, my brother lives in .de so I know about the 24th thing too.
[22:03] <TheNik> Ah
[22:03] <TheNik> So you had two Christmas celebrations? :-)
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> no, I just had one and he had one.
[22:04] <TheNik> Aww. I'd totally snatch the opportunity for a feast
[22:04] * DanielTheFox would be the designated driver
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[22:05] <gordonDrogon> you may find it's only .de that has it on the 24th with the rest of the /world/ on the 25th ...
[22:05] <darkling> gordonDrogon: ISO 8601 for date formats.
[22:06] * gordonDrogon ponders. did I typo the iso number.
[22:06] <TheNik> Perhaps
[22:06] * DanielTheFox ruins it altogether and listens to The Doors music
[22:07] * TheNik is listening to the Marble Machine music
[22:08] <TheNik> Well, if all details concerning the ongoing Christmas celebration are settled, I'd like to use the occasion to bump my question from earlier, in case people missed it:
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> wonder where I got 1861 from. curse my dyslexic grey cells.
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[22:08] <TheNik> I have this problem where I am trying to drive a HC-SR04 sensor on my Pi Zero (Raspbian) with Python, in a non-blocking way, i.e. not waiting for the echo signal all the time, but instead have an interrupt for it. I tried to define an interrupt via GPIO.add_event_detect, but for some reason the interrupt is not firing. I double checked the pin number (it is correct) and I looked at the line with a scope, and the
[22:08] <TheNik> signal is there. Here is my code: https://pastebin.com/rvFP7qmF What am I doing wrong?
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> TheNik, we still don't know.
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[22:10] <TheNik> I am re-asking in the hope that someone else might, because I am pretty sure they would not read our above conversation
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[22:17] <TheNik> Lost my connection for a while there. I did not miss any replies?
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> no-one replied.
[22:18] <TheNik> Alright, thank you
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[22:20] <gordonDrogon> I ought to package up my hc-sr04 code into a wiringPi module thingy.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> which won't help, you being in C, however.
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[22:22] <Nik__> In case my last message did not get through: TheNik> If there is a possibility to interface C with Python, I am willing to do that too
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[22:38] <c275> GoVegan! ;)
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[22:40] <TheNik> You are what you eat. :P
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> I ate cow today. Moo.
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[22:59] <akk> TheNik: Which ultrasonic sensor is this? some of them, like ME007, can be kind of a pain to debug.
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> akk, the hc-sr04 - it's quite old and quite well known and understood. it goes ping and it listens for the pong - you time the interval between telling it to go ping and it hearing the pong.
[23:02] <akk> Oh, those should be straightforward.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> and because distance = speed * time and we know speed, we can calculate distance.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> the trick is getting a python program to accurately detect the time - and given the "interrupt" latency of anywhere from 100 to 200�S then that's tricky.
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[23:06] <akk> They've worked okay for me -- not super accurate but no worse than I get with an arduino.
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[23:08] <akk> I kinda gave up on them because they tend to give bogus readings and the max distance is too short, but that wasn't the fault of the pi, pretty sure I saw both problems on arduino too.
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[23:11] <TheNik> gordonDrogon: Is there any better non-blocking approach that is not prone to missing edges? There was a GPIO method that would asynchronously capture edges and return them when called, IIRC?
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[23:12] <TheNik> 100 - 200 us sounds excessive
[23:12] <TheNik> I did not realize that was the case
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> you're doing stuff in user-land that ought to be done in kernel-land.
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> there is (I think) a pigpio way to read these sensors and that has a python interface, as does gpiozero I think, but really, I care little for python and how it works.
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> my C code uses a thread and simply polls for the return pulse - works fine on a multi-core Pi.
[23:13] <TheNik> I am willing to do it in C if that works better
[23:14] <TheNik> The Pi is single core, though
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> the 2 and 3 ar equad core.
[23:14] <giddles> hmm rlly?
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> the 1 and zero are single core.
[23:14] <giddles> i also have a 2 with 900mhz i guess
[23:14] <giddles> also not quad
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> the 2 is quad core.
[23:15] <giddles> i have raspis with single core
[23:15] <TheNik> Are proper interrupts possible on the Pi Zero with C?
[23:15] <giddles> and its not the 1
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> TheNik, yes - if you write code in the kernel.
[23:16] <Habbie> giddles, then they are the zero
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> giddles, the Pi 1 and the Pi Zero are single core, as is the CM1. the reset are quad core.
[23:16] <giddles> hmm
[23:16] <TheNik> That's far beyond the scope and time budget of this project, I'm afraid
[23:17] <TheNik> But surely I can't be the first to try to get distance readings asynchronously
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> no - just google.
[23:17] <TheNik> There must be a library, but I found none
[23:17] <Habbie> you're not the first to try
[23:17] <Habbie> and also fail
[23:17] <Habbie> i have some assorted notes here https://github.com/Habbie/hardware-hacks/tree/master/binary-scope
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> or use something like the pigpio library.
[23:18] <Habbie> i've gotten up to ~80MHz actively reading
[23:18] <Habbie> which is fine for many applications
[23:18] <Habbie> but it's not 'async'
[23:18] <TheNik> pigpio looks promising. Let me have a proper look. Thanks
[23:19] <Habbie> if pigpio does the trick, then i bet they have a separate thread or process actively reading
[23:19] <Habbie> but, i did not check
[23:19] <Habbie> i do have a few hc-sr04 here that i want to toy with
[23:19] <TheNik> "hardware timed sampling and time-stamping of GPIO 0-31 every 5 us"
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[23:19] <giddles> ehm
[23:19] <giddles> i looked, i have a pi b
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[23:19] <giddles> thats single core
[23:20] <Habbie> a pi b what?
[23:20] <Habbie> 1b? 2b? 3b?
[23:20] <giddles> meh
[23:20] <giddles> i put it back
[23:20] <giddles> one moment
[23:20] <Habbie> we are telling you that if it is single core, it's a 1b
[23:21] <giddles> also with 4 usb slots
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[23:21] <giddles> Pi Model B+ V1.2
[23:21] <giddles> ok
[23:21] <giddles> if u say so
[23:22] <giddles> samsung stands on the cpu
[23:22] <Habbie> actually on the memory that's on top of the cpu i think
[23:23] <Habbie> see the second post here https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24716
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[23:24] <giddles> the b looks different
[23:24] <giddles> one second, ill upload a foto
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[23:24] <Habbie> the B comes in 1, 1+, 2, 2 ver 1.2, 3, 3+
[23:24] <Habbie> and some minor variants beyond that but they don't change the specs
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[23:25] <Habbie> also, i strongly suspect the 1B and 1B+ call themselves B and B+
[23:25] <Habbie> because why put in a 1 when there is no 2 yet
[23:25] <giddles> on the bill stands 2, but well
[23:25] <Habbie> well that's interesting
[23:26] <Habbie> let's see that picture
[23:26] <giddles> well but no b+
[23:26] <Habbie> uhm
[23:26] <Habbie> does the bill say 2, or b+? or both?
[23:26] <giddles> bill says 2 but no +
[23:27] <Habbie> that makes sense - there is no 2B+
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> giddles, try: cat /proc/device-tree/model
[23:29] <Habbie> Raspberry Pi 2 Model B Rev 1.1
[23:30] <Habbie> well now i feel special ;)
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Raspberry Pi 2 Model B Rev 1.1
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I have one of those too :)
[23:31] <Habbie> :)
[23:31] <Habbie> wikipedia does not list it as separate
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> that' the first gen. B2 Pi's.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> it had the early quad core CPU.
[23:31] <Habbie> oh right
[23:31] <Habbie> this was way before the 1.2 came out anyway
[23:31] <Habbie> because i would've bought a pi3 at that point anyway
[23:32] <Habbie> but it's doing the job without complaining
[23:33] <giddles> so
[23:33] <giddles> https://fs1.directupload.net/images/181225/r8bg8nr7.gif
[23:33] <giddles> there she is
[23:33] <giddles> thats a 1? :)
[23:33] <Habbie> yes
[23:33] <giddles> ok
[23:34] <Habbie> giddles, this table is very good - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Specifications
[23:34] <Habbie> giddles, also note the 2014
[23:34] <Habbie> giddles, various details in this table can also help you prove to yourself which model it is
[23:35] <giddles> aaa
[23:35] <Habbie> giddles, but i think we got it
[23:35] <giddles> i confused model a with 1
[23:35] <Habbie> ah
[23:35] <giddles> there is my mistake
[23:35] <giddles> so its a 2a?
[23:35] <Habbie> no
[23:35] <Habbie> it's a 1B+
[23:36] <Habbie> also, 2A does not exist
[23:36] <giddles> now im total confused
[23:36] <giddles> ok MODEL B 1
[23:36] <giddles> tahts it?
[23:37] <Habbie> from that table i linked, model B 1+
[23:37] <giddles> yes i forget
[23:37] <giddles> 4 usb
[23:37] <giddles> ah cool
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[23:37] <giddles> thanks for help :)
[23:37] <Habbie> np
[23:37] <giddles> is there still software available?
[23:37] <Habbie> yes, 4 USB means it's never an A
[23:37] <Habbie> yes
[23:37] <Habbie> the raspbian images from raspberrypi.org work on every model ever sold
[23:38] <giddles> ah ok
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