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IRC Log for 2018-12-27

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[0:06] <DanielTheFox> What the heck is a M******soft W****ws?
[0:06] <DanielTheFox> hey, who turned my letters into "*" marks?
[0:08] <hodapp> it must be because that's your password to something
[0:08] <hodapp> like, if I write p******s p***s, it shows up as asterisks for you
[0:08] <hodapp> because that's my password
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[0:10] <Khaytsus> M$ or W*ndows are curse words to me. Stronger than any other.
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[0:13] <Syliss> lol
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[0:31] <niekniek> hello all, I'm trying to connect my pi to wifi. It's been a while since I did this, so things have changed. I followed the official wireless-cli.md from raspberrypi.org, but it won't work. Device is available, but it won't connect. No logging at all what is going on afaik. Networks can be found.
[0:32] <niekniek> wpa_cli -i wlan0 status says scanning
[0:32] <niekniek> in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf is the right stuff
[0:33] <Khaytsus> Should just work then
[0:33] <Khaytsus> I never can seem to get the first-boot wifi to work myself
[0:34] <Khaytsus> I always have to boot it, let it settle, uank the cord, pull the card, edit wpa supplicant
[0:34] <niekniek> wpa_cli -i wlan0 reconfigure says ok, but nothing happens
[0:34] <Khaytsus> I suspect you have a network issue, not a pi issue
[0:34] <niekniek> I'm currently typing this over the same wifi connection...
[0:35] <Khaytsus> that rules nothing out
[0:35] <niekniek> my phone is also connected...
[0:35] <niekniek> and from my girlfriend..., and my google home, and everything
[0:35] <niekniek> so how can i see logging then?
[0:36] <Khaytsus> monitor and keyboard I guess
[0:36] <Khaytsus> and then watch the messages log
[0:36] <niekniek> nope, nothing
[0:37] <niekniek> i'm in through ssh on my wired connection
[0:37] <niekniek> is config in /etc/network/interfaces required besides the wpa-supplicant thing?
[0:38] <Khaytsus> Sorry, not sure what you've done there. It should just work.
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[0:39] <sware> anyone know how to fix "waiting for headers" on a sudo apt-get upgrade command? Get:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian stretch/ui armhf raspi-config all 20181118 [20.2 kB] is where it stalls
[0:40] <Khaytsus> sware: apt-get is dead isn't it? And anyway, that'de likely be something network related.
[0:40] <Khaytsus> perhaps a mirror is down etc
[0:41] <sware> I've pinged, traced etc to it and it connects.
[0:41] <sware> checked mtu as well and that setting is fine
[0:41] <Khaytsus> I just ran apt update and it was fine.
[0:41] <Khaytsus> Not actually doing an update though
[0:42] <sware> update works, upgrade gives waiting for headers. On a fre 11/13/18 raspbian lite image
[0:42] <sware> fresh*
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[0:43] <Khaytsus> eh why not, I guess I haven't updated this pi in a while.
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[0:43] <Khaytsus> What could go wrong
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[0:43] <Khaytsus> I assume it goes for a while then stalls for you? for me it's progressing through packages as expected
[0:43] <sware> Is there a setting I should be looking at between router/pi that might be causing it? this wasn't an issue a week ago doing the same update/upgrade with the same image
[0:44] <Khaytsus> I seriously doubt it's on your end
[0:44] <sware> get 3 works, then get 4 fails
[0:44] <sware> I guess I can comment out the universal servers in /etc/apt/sources.list
[0:44] <Khaytsus> 30% here now, seems fine
[0:44] <sware> hmm
[0:44] <sware> same server?
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[0:45] <Khaytsus> I honestly dont' know how apt's mirror selection works but I suspect you have a mirror issue
[0:45] <Khaytsus> I use pi's for specific reasons... My limited exposure to apt has been installing specific things
[0:45] <Khaytsus> it is going through mirrordirector here
[0:46] <Khaytsus> but of course I'm sure there's some intelligence behind what mirror it uses
[0:46] <Khaytsus> geographical at the least
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[0:46] <sware> is mirrordirector in you /etc/apt/sources.list?
[0:46] <sware> for me it's raspbian.raspberrypi.org
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[0:47] <Khaytsus> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch main contrib non-free rpi
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[0:47] <Khaytsus> This is my newest pi, maybe it's on an older release. I don't really bother to keep up :)
[0:47] <sware> hmmm. I'll try that one. What image are you using?
[0:47] <Khaytsus> No idea honestly
[0:48] <sware> maybe. I'll try that link thanks
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[0:48] <Khaytsus> Is there some way to see? :)
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[0:49] <sware> not sure if you've updated it it'll probably show the same as whatever the latest is
[0:49] <Khaytsus> Yeah
[0:49] <Khaytsus> I've updated this one a few times.
[0:49] <Khaytsus> It just finished the download process here
[0:49] <sware> Get:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian stretch/ui armhf raspi-config all 20181118 [20.2 kB]
[0:50] <sware> failed again waiting for headers using mirror directory though
[0:50] <sware> maybe I should reboot
[0:50] <Khaytsus> I'll be learning more about debian junk soon enough... work won't let me install Fedora on my new laptop :/
[0:50] <sware> Haven't used Fedora forever. is it good still?
[0:51] * yLwHaTT is all about the arch
[0:51] <Khaytsus> I use Fedora on things with monitors, CentOS on things without.
[0:51] <Khaytsus> Unfortunately I have 1 option at work for my new latop. Windows or Unewbtoo.
[0:52] <sware> lol
[0:52] <yLwHaTT> dang
[0:52] <yLwHaTT> why is that?
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[0:52] <sware> upgrade works with mirrordirectory
[0:52] <sware> mirrordirector* thanks
[0:52] <Khaytsus> They only want to support 3 OSes across the enterprise. OS X, Windows 10, and apparently, Unewbtoo LTS
[0:53] <Khaytsus> And they went with 16. Not even 18.
[0:53] <sware> I actually really like Debian
[0:53] <yLwHaTT> they plan on having extra long term
[0:53] <Khaytsus> I don't need their support... but none the less this is waht Im stuck with. Bios is all locked down.
[0:53] <Khaytsus> Seriously thought of buying a m.2 USB reader and installing Fedora directly to it, but..
[0:54] <sware> just bring a pi to work and use that :)
[0:55] * Khaytsus blinks
[0:55] <yLwHaTT> use PINN to install arch just in case u mess sth up
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[0:55] <yLwHaTT> i tried using my 3b with a 2.1amp travel charger worked for 6 hours
[0:55] <Khaytsus> That's utterly rediclous.
[0:56] <Khaytsus> Anyway
[0:56] <sware> low voltage warnings?
[0:56] <yLwHaTT> just when i turned it on and it was accessing the ext hdd
[0:56] <yLwHaTT> if i dont have the hdd plugged in it dont do it
[0:56] <sware> yeah USB activity kills pi3s for me
[0:57] <sware> two usb devices at once
[0:57] <Khaytsus> I still have a ton of stuff to set up on the new laptop.. I started on it the other day and realized they gave me the wrong setup... Supposed to get an i7 with 16g of ram, somehow wound up with an i5 with 8g of ram. meh
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[0:58] <Khaytsus> So now sure if they're going to wind up swapping machines or just update my ram.. be really annoyed if I do hours of setup on it and they swap the whole machine out
[0:58] <sware> 0% waiting for headers again with another package. I think their servers are messed up
[0:58] <CoJaBo> Khaytsus: Clone the disk first?
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[0:59] <CoJaBo> Not 100% sure if Windows will run on the new setup, but you can try..
[0:59] <Khaytsus> sware: Mine just finished everything
[1:00] <sware> might be regional
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[1:01] <sware> oh well. I guess I'll try again later/ Thanks
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[2:05] <kevinnn> Hi all, I am experiencing a strange issue with my raspberrypi model 3b+
[2:05] <kevinnn> I am running a program I made that encorporates MMAL
[2:06] <kevinnn> and after a few runs of the program the screen completely stops working and I need to reboot the pi to make it work
[2:06] <kevinnn> the other thing is that "vcdbg reloc" shows a bunch of "stuff"
[2:07] <kevinnn> anyway I can clear out gpu memory on a pi?
[2:07] <kevinnn> maybe that'll restore the state of the PI?
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[2:21] <kevinnn> Does anyone know how to reset the GPU on a PI?
[2:22] <kevinnn> for some reason mine is not working. Only a reboot fixes it
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[2:42] <ali1234> kevinnn: you can't reset the GPU cos it runs its own OS and controls the CPU environment. it would be equivalent to resetting your PC without resetting the graphics card, because pi architecture is flipped vs PC
[2:43] <DanielTheFox> in the RPi, the GPU is the boss, the CPU is just a soldier
[2:43] <ali1234> you'll have to debug your MMAL code. i would start by reducing it to the minimal code needed to cause the problem
[2:43] <DanielTheFox> a powerful soldier, but still, just a soldier
[2:44] <CoJaBo> "resetting your PC without resetting the graphics card" ..I did that once lol
[2:44] <ali1234> it's possible but results are undefined :)
[2:44] <CoJaBo> Managed to wedge my Intelgrated gfx so hard only a battery-pull would reset it
[2:44] <hodapp> I once discovered by accident that I could hot-plug my graphics card.
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[2:45] <CoJaBo> I thought I literally killed the whole laptop for a bit rofl
[2:45] <CoJaBo> Never call gl_enable(LIGHTING) without confirming the GPU supports that =D
[2:46] <yLwHaTT> i still prefer to use omxplayer over mpv
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[2:46] <yLwHaTT> mpv makes my cpu go off and the temp rise
[2:46] <yLwHaTT> *go crazy
[2:46] <yLwHaTT> i made a neat little bash script for omxplayer tho [;
[2:47] * DanielTheFox uses mplayer from tty1, throwing output to fbdev2
[2:47] * DanielTheFox doesn't need to throw anything to fbdev2 if it's just audio :3
[2:48] <yLwHaTT> mhm
[2:48] <yLwHaTT> this rpi3b is literally my only computer
[2:50] <DanielTheFox> this RPi 3B+ is my newest computer
[2:50] <DanielTheFox> and the second most powerful here
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[2:52] <yLwHaTT> yeah this 3b was a gift before the 3b+ came out
[2:52] <yLwHaTT> got it this time last year
[2:52] <yLwHaTT> pretty sure it was an xmas gift
[2:54] * CoJaBo also just got a 3b+ =D
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[3:34] <on3pk> Y'all a some lucky ducks
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[3:41] <hodapp> ehhh?
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[3:48] <yLwHaTT> how so?
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[3:54] <on3pk> The people who got 3b+s for Christmas. They're lucky
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[4:05] <CoJaBo> =D
[4:06] * DanielTheFox is so happy to have his Raspberry Pi
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[4:06] <DanielTheFox> you know
[4:06] <DanielTheFox> when you gaze to that small board
[4:06] <DanielTheFox> and you see those nice and clean GPIO pins
[4:06] <DanielTheFox> the CPU (or if you put a heatsink there, the heatsink itself)
[4:07] <DanielTheFox> and, once it's turned on
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[4:07] <DanielTheFox> you can't resist to the smell of warmed up silicon
[4:07] <DanielTheFox> (this smell is far stronger on CRT monitors and TVs tho)
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[4:14] <ali1234> CRTs produce ozone, that's what they mostly smell of. laser printers also.
[4:14] <ali1234> the smell of circuit boards is mostly rosin flux
[4:14] <on3pk> Are orange pi's like your red headed step child?
[4:15] <ali1234> no they are more like your annoying cousin who copies everything you do, but badly
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[4:15] <on3pk> ha
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[4:18] <CoJaBo> Mmmmmmm...... cancerr..........
[4:20] <DanielTheFox> heh, then I like the smell of ozone
[4:20] <DanielTheFox> :D
[4:20] <CoJaBo> It's only moderately toxic pollutant =D
[4:20] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[4:20] <DanielTheFox> I'm smelling death :P
[4:21] <DanielTheFox> but it's still a nice smell
[4:21] <DanielTheFox> a literally intoxicating smell
[4:21] <ali1234> ever drop a soldering iron on carpet?
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[4:21] <ali1234> that's the worst smell ever
[4:21] <DanielTheFox> heh, i haven't done so
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[4:21] <DanielTheFox> I sometimes touch plastic or rubber cover with soldering iron tho
[4:22] <DanielTheFox> and yes, the smell is quite wrong
[4:22] <DanielTheFox> I don't know how a burnt hand smells like tho
[4:24] <DanielTheFox> can somebody tell me what the heck is an orange pi?
[4:24] <DanielTheFox> I've seen them on multiple sites and places, yet I don't know what they are
[4:26] <CoJaBo> ha, ever seen Photonicinduction?
[4:26] <CoJaBo> He did all his experiments in a carpetted room
[4:26] <DanielTheFox> there's no carpet here at all
[4:27] <CoJaBo> One of them he exploded an iron rod into a spray of molton metal
[4:27] <CoJaBo> And it set large areas of carpet on fire
[4:27] <CoJaBo> And he was all "ARRRGHH THE SMELL, I'm gonna get cancer, etc, *lights up a cigarette*"
[4:29] <DanielTheFox> ew
[4:29] <DanielTheFox> but hey
[4:29] <DanielTheFox> I smell ozone
[4:30] <DanielTheFox> I can't judge smokers
[4:31] <DanielTheFox> where's the Polyfuse? (I need a description I can read, I can't load images or graphics right now)
[4:31] <ali1234> oh which pi?
[4:31] <DanielTheFox> (Raspberry Pi 3B+)
[4:32] <ali1234> look for F1
[4:32] <ali1234> black and gold thing. may say 3592 on it
[4:33] <ali1234> bottom of board, near the power connector
[4:33] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[4:33] <DanielTheFox> mine reads 267T
[4:33] <DanielTheFox> the only black and gold thing on the bottom of the board
[4:33] <DanielTheFox> near the power connector
[4:34] <ali1234> it looks like a gold strip with a small notch, black in the middle, then another gold strip with notch
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[4:42] <DanielTheFox> ali1234: yes, it is
[4:42] <DanielTheFox> the only thing that is black and gold on the whole bottom of the computer
[4:42] <ali1234> well thats it then
[4:43] <DanielTheFox> that small piece prevents the computer from shattering into pieces if it mets a shitty and broken charger that gives too much voltage
[4:44] <DanielTheFox> amazing
[4:44] <ali1234> im not sure it actually protects against overvoltage
[4:44] <DanielTheFox> what is the pi being protected by the polyfuse then?
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> shortcircuits?
[4:45] <ali1234> yeah. it's a fuse so it trips at a certain temperature
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> ok
[4:45] <ali1234> temperature depends on power which depends on crrent and voltage
[4:45] <DanielTheFox> so nothing protects from overvoltage
[4:46] <ali1234> not sure. probably not
[4:46] <DanielTheFox> can the Pi 3 B+ be connected to a computer USB cable and do special stuff? (such as being a guest device on the USB controller)
[4:47] <ali1234> no
[4:47] <DanielTheFox> or this is specific to the Pi Zero and the Pi Zero W
[4:47] <ali1234> and A+ and 3A+
[4:47] <DanielTheFox> ok
[4:47] <DanielTheFox> I should buy a 3 A+
[4:47] <ali1234> in theory you can do it on the others if you desolder the USB hub and ethernet chip and then solder wires on the pads
[4:47] <DanielTheFox> what's that "special behavior"?
[4:47] <ali1234> it can be a USB device
[4:48] <DanielTheFox> ...so it can be directly controlled by the computer?
[4:48] <ali1234> no
[4:48] <DanielTheFox> (the bigger computer)
[4:48] <ali1234> on the zero you can load the firmware over USB if it is small enough
[4:49] <DanielTheFox> ok
[4:49] <ali1234> on the 3A+ you can just make it pretend to be a keyboard or seril or whatever
[4:49] <DanielTheFox> cool
[4:51] <DanielTheFox> can I make two pies (notice I meant "plural Pi") talk each other with serial port?
[4:52] <ali1234> yes
[4:52] <DanielTheFox> nice
[4:53] <DanielTheFox> do I need more than crossing over RX/TX pins and bridging GND?
[4:53] <DanielTheFox> (and setting both devices to 115200 baud)
[4:54] <ali1234> no that will do it
[4:55] <ali1234> of course you need to configure the software
[4:55] <DanielTheFox> ever done it?
[4:55] <ali1234> yes
[4:55] <DanielTheFox> how it feels like?
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[4:55] <DanielTheFox> controlling two raspberry pies from a single one
[4:55] <ali1234> i only ever control them on serial
[4:55] <DanielTheFox> ok
[4:56] <ali1234> i dont have any connected to a monitor
[4:56] <DanielTheFox> is it like SSH-ing to them?
[4:56] <ali1234> or keyboard
[4:56] <ali1234> yeah
[4:56] <DanielTheFox> ok, then it's nothing special ;)
[4:56] <DanielTheFox> I have no external monitor connected, only a USB keyboard and a SPI LCD screen
[4:56] <DanielTheFox> although...
[4:57] <DanielTheFox> it'd be very fun to make a PC RS232 to RPi UART adapter
[4:57] <DanielTheFox> and control a Raspberry Pi from a very old computer
[4:57] <DanielTheFox> say
[4:57] <ali1234> i know someone who uses a VT100 terminal for that
[4:58] <DanielTheFox> a 386 with Windows 3.1
[4:58] <DanielTheFox> a VT100 machine is older
[4:58] <DanielTheFox> but... can it use 115200 baud?
[4:58] <DanielTheFox> actually
[4:58] <DanielTheFox> can I set the UART to a lower speed? (such as 9600 baud, or 300 baud?)
[4:59] <ali1234> i think VT100 only does 9600
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[4:59] <ali1234> you can change the speed yes
[4:59] <DanielTheFox> ok
[4:59] <DanielTheFox> my 486 can only do 9600 baud
[4:59] <DanielTheFox> it has a cheap multidevice ISA card
[4:59] <DanielTheFox> which controlls floppy drives, primary bus hard drives, parallel port and up to two serial ports
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[5:00] <ali1234> 486 should be able to do 38400 or 57600 if you have a 16550 UART
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[5:00] <DanielTheFox> the UARTs on that thing are the older 8250 (is this the right model) UART
[5:00] <ali1234> yeah. should still be able to do 38400 with those
[5:00] <DanielTheFox> the older UART, the one that only does 9600 baud
[5:01] <DanielTheFox> also, Windows 3.11 and the Terminal program, further than lacking UTF-8 support, seems to lose characters if going faster than 300 baud
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[5:01] <DanielTheFox> for data transfer, it can go as fast as you like
[5:01] <DanielTheFox> (and as fast as the UART allows)
[5:03] <DanielTheFox> my less old computer (a Pentium 4, my main desktop computer, 'cuz I don't have any better) has two serial ports, both are using a 16550 clone (probably managed by some Super I/O chip, so it actually works from realmode DOS)
[5:04] <DanielTheFox> this ThinkCentre A52 is still commonly used in some shops as workstations
[5:04] <DanielTheFox> they're sturdy as hell
[5:04] <DanielTheFox> this specific model...
[5:04] <DanielTheFox> but not the specific unit
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[9:24] <pavlushka> having issue with arduino-ide with rpi https://pastebin.com/gJnV4s4f
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[10:19] <friendofafriend> pavlushka: Did you install the Arduino IDE from the repo?
[10:20] <pavlushka> friendofafriend: yes
[10:20] <friendofafriend> That is a very old version of the Arduino IDE, and it would be best to download it from the website directly.
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[10:42] <pavlushka> friendofafriend: ok, downloading this ,https://downloads.arduino.cc/arduino-1.8.8-linuxarm.tar.xz, lets see
[10:43] <friendofafriend> pavlushka: Excellent. The age of the arduino package in the repo is a common complaint in #arduino.
[10:46] <pavlushka> friendofafriend: Oh! I though the repo was maintained by respective platform developer groups
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[10:48] <friendofafriend> pavlushka: There are package maintainers that volunteer, and then packages are accepted into the repo by a distro.
[10:50] <pavlushka> friendofafriend: and your comment suggests that the arduino package is maintained by arduino developers itself, right?
[10:51] <friendofafriend> Right, but it's up to the distro to accept packages into the repo.
[10:52] <friendofafriend> And with Debian, there are some kind of quibbles about the license since version 1.0.5. https://wiki.debian.org/Arduino
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[11:05] <pavlushka> friendofafriend: thanks, this one is working but what's the point in keeping an old and buggy one in the repo? funny
[11:06] <friendofafriend> Just because it's the last version before the license change, and I guess the logic is something is better than nothing.
[11:07] <pavlushka> lol
[11:07] <pavlushka> what's the license issue?
[11:08] <friendofafriend> The new version is non-redistributable.
[11:11] <friendofafriend> So having old Arduino IDE in the repo is probably not going away.
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[11:15] <pavlushka> friendofafriend: in https://github.com/arduino/Arduino it suggesting GPL
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> pavlushka, realise that there is often some lag in getting packages into (or back into) debian. if it's not in the current version now, today, then it's not going to be in the current version tomorow or next year either.
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you need to do it the hard way - ie. un-install the current IDE and manually install the new IDE.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> but then you may have issues with the version of avr-gcc that you want.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> so wait until debian 10 comes out and hope that they include it, or do it manually.
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[11:18] <pavlushka> gordonDrogon: point taken but fortunately the arduino binaries from arduino site is working
[11:19] <pavlushka> gordonDrogon: along with the repo dependencies
[11:20] <friendofafriend> I'm not sure if the dependencies for the arduino package are even correct anymore.
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> I don't use the arduino IDE - gave up on it a long time back now, so I don't really know the specifics, just the generic way things happen.
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> so the whole arduino "split" thing passed me by...
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> getting the latest from the github site looks to be fairly straightforward though.
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[11:31] <friendofafriend> It would be nice if the Arduino folks just had a repo to add. That version will be six years old in May. https://blog.arduino.cc/2013/05/18/arduino-ide-1-0-5-is-released/
[11:32] <friendofafriend> If it were a child, 1.0.5 would be starting school next year.
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[11:36] <gordonDrogon> the usual story - volunteer effort, etc.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> so if they made a .deb, do they also make a .rpm, .yum, and then there's the *bsd, windows, mac things, etc.
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[11:42] <shauno> is .yum a thing? I thought yum was to rpm as apt is to deb (but I have almost no exposure to the redhat world, so I could be off)
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea. maybe things changed. I'ev just been stuck in debian-land since forever.
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[13:19] <Wulf> Hello!
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[13:20] <hungrywolf> Wulf: Hello
[13:20] <Wulf> I got a "Pi Zero W" from Santa. Where can I find a schematic of the board layout, in particular the 2x2 pins right next to the long pin connector?
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[13:26] <hungrywolf> Wulf: this of no use? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md
[13:27] <Wulf> hungrywolf: it's a start. But I can't find that 2x2 connector there
[13:28] <shauno> the 2x2 should be labelled. one pair is composite video ('tv'), the other pair is reset ('run' - shorting them resets the cpu)
[13:31] <Wulf> indeed it is. Looked from the wrong side. (other was covered). Thanks
[13:31] <Wulf> is that "resets the cpu" documented somewhere?
[13:32] <shauno> good question. the schematics are only ever half-there (eg, the schematics for the zero W don't have a cpu, or radio)
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> Wulf, run is reset.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> Wulf, but really - forget them. really do. at least for now. just get an SD card into it and get it going like everyone else does. it's great to be curious about everything but just get it going first.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> less than one in a million Pi users will use the reset input.
[13:41] <Wulf> gordonDrogon: already got it going!
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> excellent.
[13:42] <Wulf> wireless + ssh is working. But for lack of adapters/cables it's headless :)
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> that's probably how most people run their zeros.
[13:44] <Wulf> I'm not sure what to do with it anyway.
[13:44] <shauno> same thing we do every night Pinky. take over the world!
[13:44] <Wulf> Maybe build it into one of my monitors? There might be enough empty space inside.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> there are many VESA style mounting kits out there.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> shauno, Narf!
[13:46] <Wulf> shauno: but why do need a rpi and 500 meters of garden hose?
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[14:23] <hungrywolf> Wulf: Are you editing code on ssh?
[14:24] <Wulf> sometimes
[14:24] <Wulf> why?
[14:25] <hungrywolf> I am trying to work on a rpi 0 too
[14:25] <hungrywolf> I am noob on these things
[14:26] <hungrywolf> I'd like to just edit the code on my fedora computer and build and run it on rpi
[14:26] <hungrywolf> while I change the files
[14:27] <Wulf> write some deploy script
[14:27] <Wulf> there are lots of different ways to do it
[14:27] <hungrywolf> What would be the less laggy way?
[14:27] <Wulf> Why do you need to build this on the rpi?
[14:28] <Wulf> what programming language?
[14:28] <hungrywolf> c++
[14:28] <Wulf> Cross compiler might help
[14:28] <hungrywolf> But I believe it is the best thing to build on rpi
[14:29] <hungrywolf> I don't want to endup with some code that might not run on the device
[14:29] <Wulf> It's certainly easier to setup. But building there may be slowe
[14:29] <hungrywolf> Wulf: okay
[14:29] <Wulf> So copy the code (rsync), build it, run it.
[14:30] <hungrywolf> rsync looks interesting
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[14:30] <BurtyB> export a directory with nfs and mount it on the pi?
[14:32] <hungrywolf> BurtyB: nfs sound really good
[14:33] <hungrywolf> I was also thinking ssh and inotify
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[14:35] <gordonDrogon> edit & build on the Pi... it was designed to have the capability from the start..
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> although there is a difference between a 30K line C program and a 300K line c++ behomoth ...
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[14:56] <hungrywolf> gordonDrogon: c++ has its advantages
[14:57] <hungrywolf> and its disadvantages, like everything in the world
[14:58] <MrNaz> is there a transactional filesystem that can be used on the RPi? I want to be able to use an RPi to read files from a dir, but i want the files to only be available for reading once the writing process has finished writing them
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[15:20] <hodapp> you can use something like lsof to see if any process still has the file open
[15:21] <chris_99> someone asked something like that the other day, can't you use inotify for that
[15:21] <hodapp> likely yes
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[15:22] <mlelstv> you can do what everyone does and rely on rename() to be atomic.
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> in which case you write to .filename.foo, then rename .filename.foo to filename.foo and make sure your readdir() ignored dot file.
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[15:33] <misslauracodes> Hello every body! I would like to learn how to build my own ethernet adapter for Raspberry Pi Zero. I am thinking of using ENC28J60. Has any body got an exerience with doing this?
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> you could just buy a usb ethernet gongle..
[15:36] <BurtyB> misslauracodes, yup - they just work (if a little slow)
[15:36] <DanielTheFox> he attempts to get in the nice world of low-level interfacing stuff
[15:37] <DanielTheFox> although I acknowledge it's not an easy world
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[15:38] <misslauracodes> gordonDrogon: yes I could just, but I could just buy a PC/server/whatever it is I'm doing.
[15:39] <misslauracodes> BurtyB: 10Mbps?
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> https://raspi.tv/2015/ethernet-on-pi-zero-how-to-put-an-ethernet-port-on-your-pi
[15:40] <BurtyB> misslauracodes, that and the spi part
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> there you go. first google hit from 3 years ago.
[15:41] <DanielTheFox> if you were actually able to hack the parallel interface or the USB hub, it'd be fast
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> there is no hub on the Pi Zero.
[15:41] <DanielTheFox> no?
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> no.
[15:41] <DanielTheFox> just a single USB port?
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> yes. directly from the SoC.
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> that's how it can work in gadget mode.
[15:42] <misslauracodes> Would using SPI have any effect on doing serial communication?
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea.
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> spi is serial, but I presume you mean async serial. personally, I plug in usb serial adapters, but hey ho, I like to make life easy, but you can use the on-board uart while using spi.
[15:43] <BurtyB> misslauracodes, doing anything on it can cause issues with serial
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> Pi serial has not been worth it IMO since the Rev 1.
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[15:44] <BurtyB> even just running PIXEL on an otherwise idle Pi will cause issues with serial :(
[15:45] <misslauracodes> Why is this?
[15:46] <chris_99> what do you think is wrong with the uart out of interest gordonDrogon
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[15:47] <BurtyB> misslauracodes, depending on which uart you use it either has an 8 or 16 byte buffer so you need to use hardware flow control (which most things don't) or accept you might lose bytes if the pi is busy
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[15:47] <misslauracodes> Is this just for the zero, or does it affect all Pi versions?
[15:48] <BurtyB> misslauracodes, all Pi
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> that ^ basically.
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> they switched uarts to cope with the wi-fi/bluetooth thingy which made it worse.
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> so I moved to using usb adapters and have not gone back to the on-board one since.
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[15:56] <misslauracodes> Ah I didn't know. Does this also affect I2C communication?
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> then there's the while 3.3v thing too.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> no - I2C is just as fine as I2C is.
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[16:07] <BurtyB> I2C is fine if you don't need to do clock stretching (which has a hardware bug)
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[16:07] <DanielTheFox> blame Broadcom
[16:07] <DanielTheFox> the foundation only used what was available
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> and, of course, bugs are not in the reference manual
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> this is not a Broadcom specific thing - its endemic of the industry - also what the SoC was originally for - a very specific device for a well suited task - i2c? well that was on the soc for something else, so lets just leave it there...
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> and, as I understand it, by the time the soc was used for the Pi, the original designer for the i2c module was elsewhere...
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> hard to tell, really, however for the most part, it's fine.
[16:10] <DanielTheFox> this SoC is still amazing
[16:11] <DanielTheFox> but, well, anything Atari 2600 or more complex looks amazing to me
[16:11] <DanielTheFox> so, :P
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> it's been taken way beyond what it was originally intended for.
[16:11] <DanielTheFox> I'm using it quite as a laptop
[16:11] <DanielTheFox> which is already beyond what they intended it for
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> I tried that for while with a moto atrix lapdock but got a little frustrated.
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[16:12] <DanielTheFox> I mean, wasn't the Raspberry Pi originally designed for robots and other embebbed electronics?
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> the soc was originally for a set top box.
[16:12] <DanielTheFox> and it has kinda evolved into being a very small personal computer
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> used by roku and possibly others.
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[16:13] <DanielTheFox> (btw, what the heck is an orange pi)
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> it's one of many chinese look-a-like devices.
[16:13] <DanielTheFox> badly done?
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> essentially, sales of the Pi oustripped all othe small arm systems, so the chinese jumped onto the bandwaggon.
[16:14] <DanielTheFox> ok
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[16:14] <DanielTheFox> is it badly done?
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> they're done to a budget, but don't have the support that the Pi has - neither do they contribute to the educational ecosystem that the Pi Foundation pledge themselves to.
[16:14] <DanielTheFox> (there are lots of well done chinese things)
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[16:14] <DanielTheFox> ok
[16:14] <DanielTheFox> so it's more of a support issue
[16:15] <DanielTheFox> once you get one, you're on your own...
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> just google for reviews - I see overheating and instability in the early ones - banana, orange an some others. some of these they have fixed.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> basically - that's the usual model - make something, bludgeon a kernel into it, sell it, move onto the next one ...
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[16:16] <DanielTheFox> ok
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> so, uh
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> it's IC and silicon waste
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> someone find a use for them, someone gets money for them... who knows.
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[16:40] <Wulf> Hello. How much power may I draw from my pi-zero-w's usb port?
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[16:44] <Wulf> never mind, found the faq.
[16:44] <Wulf> but what does "Limited by PSU, board, and connector ratings only." mean?
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> as much power as you put in the other usb port :)
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> it means both ports power lines are directly connected.
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> there is nothing in-between but pcb copper.
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[16:45] <Wulf> ah
[16:45] <DanielTheFox> if you put 90A on the power input, you can draw nearly 90A
[16:45] <DanielTheFox> (actually, not that much, but you get the idea)
[16:45] <Wulf> Not going to try that
[16:45] <DanielTheFox> 90A would quickly burn the PCB copper
[16:45] <Wulf> I was thinking about ~ 1A on USB
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[16:46] <Wulf> PSU delivers up to 2.5A, so should be fine
[16:46] <Wulf> so I'll purchase a cheap passive USB hub.
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[16:48] <thanos> yay theres a channel.
[16:49] <DanielTheFox> a big one
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[16:49] <thanos> what's the top end system a b+ can run without performance penalty/overheating?
[16:49] <thanos> er, for emulation. sorry.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> it's very hard to overheat a b+
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> 900Mhz, 512MB of RAM...
[16:50] <Wulf> DanielTheFox, gordonDrogon: Thanks
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> maybe you mean a 3b+ though.
[16:50] <thanos> yes
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> 1.2GHz, 1GB RAM.... it will self thermally throttle when it gets too hot - over 85�C ..
[16:51] <DanielTheFox> thanos: what raspberry pi model?
[16:51] <thanos> 3b+
[16:51] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: to be fair, it's not hard to overheat stuff here
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> it won't overheat to damage levels though.
[16:52] <DanielTheFox> ok, true
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> and the 3b+ is much better at dissipating heat without a heatsink.
[16:52] <DanielTheFox> it may be very hot to touch, but still far too cold for damage to occur
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[16:53] <BurtyB> 3b+ starts to throttle at 60C these days by default btw
[16:53] <DanielTheFox> mine is "permanently" throttled
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> oh, that low?
[16:53] <DanielTheFox> so it doesn't even attempt to reach 60°C
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[16:53] <DanielTheFox> no matter how misventilated the case is
[16:54] <DanielTheFox> 52.1°C, currently
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[17:01] <Khaytsus> My pi's with a pretty heavy load never go above 50C
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[17:06] <mlelstv> heavy?
[17:07] <mlelstv> the 3b+ is idle at 54.2C
[17:08] <mlelstv> but the room temperature is at 24C..
[17:08] <Khaytsus> odd
[17:08] <Khaytsus> But I don't have any 3b+'s...
[17:08] <mlelstv> the 3b is worse
[17:08] <Khaytsus> I only have one 3, original one, and it's about 40c right now
[17:09] <mlelstv> the 3b here is at 40C, but it has a small fan.
[17:09] <chris_99> my 3b+ ran at like 85C or so unuder heavy load
[17:09] <hodapp> 90A?
[17:09] * hodapp looks suspiciously at that figure
[17:10] <Khaytsus> I wish you could get a pi's temp without stupid suid stuff on vgencmd
[17:10] <DanielTheFox> mine is still at 52.1°C, room temperature is 28°C
[17:10] <DanielTheFox> the case completely disallows any form of ventilation
[17:11] <DanielTheFox> the heat is enclosed there
[17:11] <Khaytsus> all of my cases are the generic standard case that adafruit or wahtnot sold with 'em.. snap together basic things. No heat sinks, no fans
[17:12] <mlelstv> the 3b+ here is in a pimoroni "Nija" case.
[17:12] <DanielTheFox> I want another 3 B+ and a metal case and fan support
[17:12] <Khaytsus> I have one in the garage I've thought about trying to move air on, in the summer it gets about 60c but that's because the garage itself is about 30c
[17:12] <Khaytsus> 35c probably
[17:12] <mlelstv> takes about 10-15 minutes with cpuburn to reach the first throttle point.
[17:13] <DanielTheFox> Khaytsus: not far away here
[17:13] <Khaytsus> mlelstv: so don't do that
[17:13] <mlelstv> why not?
[17:13] <DanielTheFox> more often we're 30°C here
[17:13] <DanielTheFox> so the RPi expectedly reaches 60°C if idle, fullspeed
[17:13] <Khaytsus> DanielTheFox: Well.. yeah. My house has AC. Garage does not.
[17:13] <mlelstv> the 3b is throttling after less than a minute (without fan)
[17:13] <DanielTheFox> nothing here has AC
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[17:13] <DanielTheFox> very expensive
[17:13] <hodapp> where's here?
[17:14] <DanielTheFox> I've said it too many times to repeat it again :)
[17:14] <DanielTheFox> but, if you insist, Tacoland
[17:15] <Khaytsus> Messyco
[17:15] <hodapp> well, yeah, I've told thousands of people where I live, but that doesn't mean you've heard it
[17:15] <DanielTheFox> so, well
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[17:15] <DanielTheFox> these temperatures are to be expected here
[17:16] <DanielTheFox> still between the tropics
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[17:16] <DanielTheFox> certainly enough, skin adapts to environment, but computers don't
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[17:17] <DanielTheFox> although I don't mind
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[17:17] <DanielTheFox> if I want to run my 3 B+ fullspeed, I put some heatsinks
[17:17] <DanielTheFox> and I'll put some fan once I get one
[17:18] <Khaytsus> A little 40mm fan should be easy to scavage out of something
[17:18] <Khaytsus> They're a little whiny though
[17:18] <DanielTheFox> my Pentium 4 fan is very whiny
[17:18] <DanielTheFox> I wouldn't mind
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[17:55] <frics> hey, why adding heatsinks to my pie 3b+ increase drastically my network response time
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> hey, why not check the temperature ...
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[17:58] <Tenkawa> is your access point far away from the pi?
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[17:58] <Tenkawa> it could also be isolating the signal some because of the metal
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[18:03] <frics> temperature with or without a heatsink keeps heat at same level, but only with a heatsink the pi3b+ wifi response time decreases
[18:04] <frics> pi3b just don`t do that
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[18:04] <frics> increases*
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[18:08] <frics> about the access point (laptop <> rpi (hostapd) <> h.264 encoder) side by side over wifi
[18:09] <Tenkawa> metal can certainly change an rf signal pattern
[18:09] <frics> ok, but why not on rpi3 model? and just rpi3+ model?
[18:09] <frics> just curious
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[18:09] <Tenkawa> could be the paste
[18:09] <Tenkawa> or how it was applied
[18:10] <Tenkawa> or even the heatsink quality itself or material
[18:10] <mlelstv> the 3b+ has a metal cap that the heatsink connects to
[18:10] <Tenkawa> some metals block rf more than others
[18:11] <Tenkawa> it shouldnt be happening I agree
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[18:13] <BurtyB> frics, 3b/3b+ have different antennas too don't forget
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[18:15] <Tenkawa> BurtyB: oooh good point
[18:15] <Tenkawa> they did change that
[18:15] <CarlFK> does omxplayer need X for video, or will it work with the -light image ?
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[18:18] <frics> at botton left? http://imgur.com/gallery/KKlpF7Q
[18:19] <frics> just adding a extender should resolve then...
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[18:22] <BurtyB> frics, yeah the blue one has the cavity antenna (within the pcb)
[18:22] <frics> and, should I have insulation concerns on a 3D printed PLA case?
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[18:28] <Khaytsus> Be nice if the Pi had a ufl antenna connector for an external antenna, but that'd require some extra components to switch antennas, the connector, etc..
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[18:29] <Khaytsus> Oh, ha, they have an unpopulated smt spot for a connector
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[18:32] <Khaytsus> pi 0w has one too. Interesting
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[18:37] <frics> something that I'm missing is a hdmi input (working with an external encoder because of that)
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[18:43] <CarlFK> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ omxplayer https://usa.ccl.c3voc.de/s1_translated_hd.webm
[18:43] <CarlFK> Vcodec id unknown: a8
[18:43] <CarlFK> have a nice day ;)
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[18:46] <Khaytsus> Never will understand using a pi as a desktop
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[18:47] <frics> low cost desktop?
[18:47] <Khaytsus> 1g of ram, slow unstable storage. #howaboutno
[18:48] <CarlFK> frics: hdmi input? long shot, maybe you are interested: https://www.crowdsupply.com/alphamax/netv2
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[18:50] <Tenkawa> Khaytsus: I know plenty of people who use pi's as desktops
[18:50] <Khaytsus> Cool story?
[18:50] <Tenkawa> if you want something to just read email and do web browsing its a great value
[18:51] <Khaytsus> Web browsing in 1g of ram
[18:51] <Khaytsus> k
[18:51] <Khaytsus> It certainly works. Not claiming it doesnt.
[18:51] <Khaytsus> And you can drive in screws with a hammer too
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[18:53] <cybertree> i use my rpi just for irc chat
[18:53] <cybertree> leave it on 24/7 low power device
[18:54] <cybertree> but a desktop nah
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[18:55] <chris_99> CarlFK: that board looks cool, and decently priced
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[18:56] <CarlFK> chris_99: somewhat related talk coming up: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2018/Fahrplan/events/9631.html
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[18:56] <Khaytsus> cybertree: I have pondered for years replacing my power hungry i7 with a sbc.. but I need dual _true_ gigabit, multiple fast disks. Services are pretty basic, a few web services, smtp, webmail, imap etc.. anything could run all those really.
[18:57] <Khaytsus> There are options, and once it gets north of $300 Im like nah I'll just keep using this ;)
[18:57] <chris_99> CarlFK: neat thanks, have you seen the icestorm stuff too?
[18:57] <CarlFK> chris_99: also bunnie https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2018/Fahrplan/events/9629.html (somwhere is
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[18:57] <chris_99> cool, i'll have to check those talks out, gonna download a few to watch later
[18:58] <frics> CarlFK: looking up for that
[18:58] <CarlFK> chris_99: kinda. I dabble with fpga, but haven't really done any development, just play with what others have done and report bugs and complain a lot
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[18:58] <chris_99> nice, i'm just learning vhdl at the mo'
[18:58] <cybertree> khaytsus yes i understand...
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[19:10] <thanos> can anyone look at this list and make sure I'm not doing anything stupid
[19:10] <thanos> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BDR5PDW/
[19:10] <thanos> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O42OXEY/
[19:10] <thanos> and https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075XMTQJC/
[19:10] <thanos> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XFHQGB9/
[19:11] <thanos> I assume it's pretty straight forward.
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[19:13] <frics> thanos: why not a kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BCC8PK7 ?
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[19:15] <thanos> I like the way the case looks that I picked. Even the toggle for power, I like mine better.
[19:15] <thanos> I don't mind spending just a bit more.
[19:15] <thanos> as long as it's technically all functional together
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[19:18] <frics> thanos: go for it
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[19:19] <thanos> thx
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[19:22] <friendofafriend> Wowzers. By the time you buy a few Raspi cases, you could afford a 3D printer instead.
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[19:23] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: wat? Cases are like $10
[19:23] <Khaytsus> few = 50?
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[19:24] <friendofafriend> The ones just linked are $17.
[19:24] <Khaytsus> so 25 of them?
[19:24] <Khaytsus> Plus weeks to print
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[19:24] <Khaytsus> And how much for the spools
[19:25] <friendofafriend> I've seen some pretty good deals on those Monoprice printers, and they come up used sometimes.
[19:25] <cybertree> i like clear cases and there cheap
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[19:26] <Khaytsus> 3d printers are neat. But if you're looking for ROI to replace purchasing something....... I doubt it.
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[19:26] <hodapp> 3D printers are great if what you need is cheap plastic crap
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[19:26] <hodapp> ...it turns out that very frequently you do
[19:27] <Khaytsus> Great for prototyping.. making something you can't buy. But yeah
[19:27] <hodapp> prototyping, and for cheap plastic crap that you only need a small number of
[19:27] <friendofafriend> When it comes to Raspi cases, it really just has to be good enough to keep the cat out.
[19:28] <friendofafriend> I've got a Pi in a parmesian cheese tub.
[19:29] <Khaytsus> I have my home automation pi in a random parts bin heh
[19:29] <Khaytsus> Mostly because I have a few modules attached to it, so a keeps it all together
[19:30] <friendofafriend> Came across a nice polypropylene chewing gum container while I was out on a walk, jazzed to make a case for a Pi Zero from it.
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[19:32] <friendofafriend> Fond of wide-mouthed vitamin supplement bottles for little microcontrollers, likewise.
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[19:40] <cybertree> my pi setup www.davidqueen.com/pi.JPG
[19:42] <friendofafriend> What's the die-cast car? :o
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[19:42] <cybertree> i get bored sometimes
[19:43] <RcHaCk> what kind of camera system ?
[19:43] <cybertree> darda car
[19:43] <RcHaCk> lorex ?
[19:43] <cybertree> cheap samsung bought it refurbed 1080p
[19:44] <RcHaCk> and where is that beach picture from ?
[19:44] <friendofafriend> Looks like a tidy abode, cybertree.
[19:45] <cybertree> destin florida
[19:45] <RcHaCk> nice i wish i was in florida
[19:46] <cybertree> thanks friend
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[19:47] <cybertree> RcHaCk you been to destin
[19:47] <RcHaCk> no
[19:47] <RcHaCk> but i know where it is
[19:47] <RcHaCk> i guess ive seen it from 30,000+ ft in the air
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[19:48] <friendofafriend> I've used it for diaper rash. <_<
[19:48] <cybertree> destin is the clean beach in the us
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[19:50] <cybertree> my rpi is a rpi 2 b+ i think... i order a rpi 3 b+ ...will i be able to tell much diffence
[19:50] <friendofafriend> Across state lines in an hour, too. Pretty neat place.
[19:51] <friendofafriend> Are you overclocking your Pi2, cybertree?
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[19:53] <cybertree> nah
[19:53] <friendofafriend> Going from 900MHz to 1.2GHz is pretty nice, especially if you're using it as a desktop.
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[19:54] <cybertree> great
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[19:55] <friendofafriend> There's some speculation about a Raspi4 being released in a few months.
[19:56] <cybertree> any specs yet
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[19:57] <friendofafriend> Zilch, but DDR2 must be getting hard to come by. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/raspberry-pi-future
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> that article is almsot 2 years old now. 20 million Pi's sold from what I recall
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[20:01] <friendofafriend> I see lots of yap about the BCM4908 being used, maybe getting 2GB of RAM.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> people will bleat on about everything - even the day after the very first Pi was released I read "if only it had this... " and "whens the v2" and so on.
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> I find it's best to just sit back, make use of what you have and when something new comes along, then it's woo-hoo time.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> also note the $35 price point for the Pi - I do not think that will change any time soon - especially given that the Pi Foundation is dedicated to education, so "pocket money" prices ...
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[20:03] <friendofafriend> I've been a little disappointed that the previous generations of Pi have stayed about the same cost.
[20:04] <friendofafriend> Really would like to snake a dozen of the Raspi2s for cheap.
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[20:06] <cybertree> i think thir business model isnt for business...isnt it like a foundation or something
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[20:08] <friendofafriend> Right, that's why the Zero is still one per customer.
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[20:10] <Khaytsus> I wish I had a mcirocenter near me so I could grab one as I need it
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[20:12] <friendofafriend> Closest one here is about three hours away.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> they have a commercial side (selling the Zeros and computer modules - I think) and the educational non profit side selling the rest and writing the education stuff.
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[20:12] <Khaytsus> Yeah, about same here I think
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[20:13] <friendofafriend> I wouldn't have any idea what to do with a CM3, really.
[20:13] <Khaytsus> Oooh, 1:50, not so far ;)
[20:14] <Khaytsus> It would take almost 15 hours to walk there though apparently. Good info Google.
[20:14] <Khaytsus> Oh no, that's greyhound etc included. So not walking
[20:16] <friendofafriend> Fiddlesticks, by that time your Amazon package would be halfway there.
[20:20] <Khaytsus> heh
[20:20] <Khaytsus> No kidding
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[20:20] <Khaytsus> And you'd probably be raped, robbed, and starved
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[20:30] <friendofafriend> The starving is a given, I'm about to spend the month's grocery money at the Microcenter.
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[20:40] <imark> I have a pi which I'd like to setup as a kodi client and a steamlink (video game streaming client), I want my pi to automatically boot to run the kodi command and when this terminates I want to run the command steamlink, seems easy enough right, I just put a while loop at the end of my .bashrc that endlessly runs one and then the other. The problem here is that both programs disable the Ctrl+Alt+F? function of accessing another terminal and the
[20:40] <imark> while loop in the .bashrc isn't keyboard interuptable so I can't easily get out of the loop without editing .bashrc on the SD card on another pc and rebooting.
[20:40] <imark> Is there a simpler way to go about this?
[20:40] <imark> any thoughts would be appreciated
[20:41] <friendofafriend> sleep between the commands.
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[20:43] <imark> I thought about that but a keyboard interrupt would just quit the sleep command and carry right on with the loop, not exit the loop, wouldn't it?
[20:44] <friendofafriend> Right, but you're not trying to terminate the loop, you're trying to switch to another VT?
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[20:45] <imark> Yeah true, wouldn't it just switch back to either steam or kodi as soon as it successfully boots though?
[20:46] <imark> ill have to find that out with a test
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[20:48] <friendofafriend> Something like this is probably more elegant. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/314834/output-something-in-a-loop-until-a-key-is-pressed
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[20:50] <Khaytsus> Yep, read is the way to do that
[20:50] <Khaytsus> although I hate testing for depressed keys. It makes me sad.
[20:53] <imark> I didn't know read had a timeout option,
[20:55] <imark> so save the input from read as a variable, and check once each loop if its still empty, break loop if false, job done
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[20:55] <Khaytsus> si si
[20:55] <imark> primo, thanks
[20:56] <Khaytsus> And no tight loops spinning a cpu needlessly
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[20:57] <imark> no no, it wont loop quickly, both commands by happy coincidence lock up the loop until they've been quit from the GUI, although I'll admit if that wasn't the case I'd be stuck for a solution
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[21:20] <hodapp> anyone happen to know: is the motion estimator vector (e.g. from picamera) in units of pixels?
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[21:34] <Encrypt> Hello everyone?
[21:34] <Encrypt> -?
[21:34] <cybertree> hi
[21:34] <Encrypt> Has anyone played with MySensors here?
[21:34] <Encrypt> I'm confused about how to compile it on my Pi
[21:34] <cybertree> i havent sorry
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[21:56] <TheSecondNik> hodapp: Still around?
[21:58] <hodapp> yeah
[21:59] <TheSecondNik> Assuming the motion vector estimates are in pixels, I am either wrong with my calculations, or wrong with my assumption
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[22:01] <TheSecondNik> Or I am wrong in assuming that the video resolution of 640x480 px still yields the entire FoV of 54° x 41°
[22:02] <TheSecondNik> Though https://picamera.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.10/fov.html#camera-modes seems to suggest that
[22:02] <TheSecondNik> What are your findings, and what camera do you use?
[22:02] <hodapp> arducam & 35mm C-mount lens
[22:03] <hodapp> I've yet to run any calculations that could suggest one way or the other, but I noticed that no references gave units on the vector
[22:03] <TheSecondNik> Ah, so you use different hardware than I do
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[22:04] <hodapp> yes, but the motion vectors are computed in terms of pixels on identical hardware that has no awareness of lens or physical sensor size
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[22:04] <TheSecondNik> We don't know if those are pixels
[22:04] <TheSecondNik> We just assumed
[22:05] <hodapp> the computations are done in pixel space because there is nowhere else to do them; we don't know what the units are
[22:05] <hodapp> that is what I meant
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[22:06] <TheSecondNik> So you suggest that every one unit could represent, say, 2 pixels?
[22:07] <hodapp> it could be subpixel units, potentially
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[22:21] <TheSecondNik> hodapp: Does this look fine to you (aside from the legibility)? https://i.imgur.com/X5k74Kb.jpg
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[22:55] <jiffe> so I picked up a wide angle 170 degree lens for this noir camera, but its not even close, am I missing something
[22:55] <jiffe> its probably closer to 90 degrees which is the same angle as the original lens
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[23:00] <cybertree> you might have to change some settings
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[23:01] <jiffe> define settings, it just screws on to obtain focus
[23:01] <jiffe> not really anything else I can physically change
[23:02] <cybertree> maybe you have it screwed down too far
[23:03] <cybertree> what verison you got 2?
[23:04] <jiffe> I've gone through the full length, there's one point where its in focus which is mostly unscrewed, even out of focus I can see that the viewable area isn't changing though
[23:04] <jiffe> v2 yeah
[23:07] <cybertree> read some of these they should help you https://www.amazon.com/Leegoal-1-8mm-Degree-Angle-Camera/dp/B00553E1AC#customerReviews
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[23:08] <cybertree> read the reviews it looks like you have to do some mods
[23:09] <jiffe> yeah that sounds stupid
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[23:14] <ShorTie> try 80C
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[23:16] <jiffe> 80C?
[23:16] <jiffe> I'm not sure I following the review posts and what he's sanding down
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[23:22] <jiffe> unless screwing it down the full length wasn't close enough
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[23:32] <jiffe> maybe fisheye is more what I'm looking for
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[23:48] <kenzo> Hmm seems like I'm having some oddball behavior with my Zero-w sitting outside... runs for a couple days (it's running plain stretch)... it's using 2.4Ghz with a kinda iffy signal strength and the on board antenna... it's just sitting there as a server to spit out weather readings. Seems to lose its network then never wants to rejoin. Tried a script to ifdown/up the chip if it loses contact with an internet host but that's not doing
[23:48] <kenzo> it. Rebooting gets it back every time. May have to just rewrite this to auto-reboot whenever contact gets lost for too long. Not losing any data I'm caching to sqlite tho
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[23:53] <BurtyB> kenzo, does restarting the AP also fix it? (not that I can help if it does other than sharing your pain)
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[23:56] <kenzo> i haven't done that but I'm not in a position really to cycle the WAP, I have other ppl I would break if I did
[23:57] <kenzo> I do have the WAP decidedly on its own power cycle to because it auto-grabbed firmware updates/patches
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[23:57] <kenzo> does that around 1am-3am local time every couple weeks or so
[23:58] <kenzo> i do have power-management on the wifi chip switched off on the pizero-w
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