#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-01-01

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[2:40] <{HD}> I thought x11forwarding was enabled by default and I could just 'ssh -Y pi@theipaddress' 'sudo startx' to get a display. I can start individual applications but not X...What am I doing wrong?
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[3:00] <immibis> {HD}: you shouldn't have to startx on the pi. You'll have X running on your computer and anything you run on the pi that uses X, will connect to the X on your computer
[3:01] <{HD}> immibis: Oh, maybe I should start the window manager...what is default now? lxde?
[3:01] <{HD}> Oh yea....startlxde worked!
[3:01] <{HD}> immibis: Thanks.
[3:01] <immibis> it will use the window manager running on your PC too
[3:01] <immibis> are you connecting from a linux computer?
[3:01] <{HD}> oxs
[3:01] <{HD}> osx*
[3:02] <immibis> oh okay. I dunno anything about X on OSX
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[3:02] <immibis> are you trying to get a display on the pi itself?
[3:02] <{HD}> you just use xquarts...I think it is the same with windows
[3:03] <{HD}> playing with x11 forwarding remote desktop style.
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[3:04] <immibis> startlxde sounds like something that would set up the pi's own display. but if it's working, it's working
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[3:06] <{HD}> I was ssh'ing with -Y so it was connecting X11 forwarding right away. So, startlxde was happening in my local x server. It works but is a little bit funny.
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[3:15] <immibis> yeah, it's unusual to run a window manager over X forwarding because you should have one on your computer already. but I don't know how OSX works in that regard
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[3:23] <{HD}> I don’t know what xquark does
[3:23] <{HD}> Xquartz*
[3:25] <{HD}> How would I start a “desktop”...gotta ddg some more.
[3:27] <immibis> why would you want to run a desktop over X forwarding, wouldn't that interfere with your actual desktop?
[3:28] <immibis> oh hang on. is xquartz one of those things where all your forwarded windows are inside a big xquartz window?
[3:28] <immibis> as opposed to being like normal osx windows
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[3:30] <Khaytsus> gross why do any of this
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[3:37] <immibis> idk how to start a full desktop over X forwarding, but someone probably does
[3:39] <Khaytsus> It wouldn't make _any_ sense
[3:40] <Khaytsus> vnc would make more sense... still nonsense
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[3:44] <{HD}> What why?
[3:44] <{HD}> It seems cool!
[3:45] <immibis> Khaytsus: it makes sense if you're connecting from a system that's not using X itself
[3:46] <immibis> so if you're connecting from linux, you don't want to run a window manager or a desktop because they'll interfere with your real window manager and desktop
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[3:47] <{HD}> If I didn’t know the app I wanted to run and wanted to use the menu how else would I do it?
[3:47] <immibis> when I was using it with Cygwin/X, Cygwin/X gives me a big black window and i had to start a WM (at least) to run in that, because it didn't already run a window manager for me
[3:49] <immibis> {HD}: I googled it and someone said to try lxsession instead of startlxde
[3:51] <immibis> i have to reboot my computer now so if you say something I might not see it
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[3:59] <{HD}> I’ll try that when I get back to office.
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[4:27] <{HD}> immibis: looks like lxsession behaves just like startlxde...
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[10:08] <wonderer> does anyone agree with this post https://www.brexitforums.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60 ?
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[10:10] <jarod> wonderer: just import 1 billion Africans to the UK and ask again in 10 years.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> this is not the place to discuss brexit.
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[10:35] <immibis> life pro-tip: if someone says something about politics it's probably full of BS. even two people with opposing arguments are probably both full of BS
[10:35] <immibis> and then the guy who's in the middle is also full of BS. BS all around...
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[14:06] <DanielTheFox> happy new year
[14:08] <immibis> happy 2am on jan 2
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[14:47] <DanielTheFox> who here has a SPI LCD screen for RPi? (the one that plugs into GPIO pins and not HDMI)
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[15:18] <thanos> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SV8HTAC/ anyone have this case
[15:18] <thanos> just ordered it. looks very sharp
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[15:52] <programmerq> thanos▸ careful you don't cut yourself on it.
[15:55] <cybertree> you pay more for the case than you do the board
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[15:55] <cybertree> interesting
[15:56] <thanos> they're both kind of pocket change tho
[15:57] <cybertree> if they keep using the same size board .. the case could be good for along time
[15:58] <kenzo> anyone know of a decent prefab metal/plastic case that already has a mount for a 20x2 LCD display?
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[16:17] <scholardom> What is the best way to make a pi destroy itself? Not just erase its data, nono. we're talking fire, controlled exploisions, overclocking to maddness and things like that...
[16:17] <scholardom> Any ideas?
[16:17] <DanielTheFox> giving that pi to me
[16:17] <DanielTheFox> you'll never see it again
[16:18] <scholardom> meh, it might work
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> I'm a black hole of stuff
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> and I want another Pi, and some jumper wires
[16:19] <scholardom> It's not exciting, which defeats the purpose
[16:19] <cybertree> put windows on it....
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> hmm, why do you want to do so?
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> scholardom: either way
[16:19] <scholardom> cybertree: lol
[16:20] <DanielTheFox> do ffmpeg video encoding, use a very closed (sealed) case to enclose the heat
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[16:20] <DanielTheFox> overclock as much as you can
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[16:20] <DanielTheFox> force_turbo=1
[16:20] <DanielTheFox> let it boil itself
[16:20] <scholardom> DanielTheFox: Mostly because I'm paranoid and don't want people having my stuff
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[16:20] <DanielTheFox> computers always generate heat
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> let's use that on our favor
[16:21] <scholardom> DanielTheFox: I want to do that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYf9HK-rI1s
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[16:21] <DanielTheFox> scholardom: it's very easy then
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> feed 24V
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> onto the GPIO pins
[16:22] <kenzo> wrap it in C4 plastic explosive putty and attach the detonator to the GPIO
[16:22] <scholardom> lol you guys are hilarious
[16:22] <friendofafriend> I wonder what would be considered "destroyed", just won't work or a pile of slag.
[16:22] <DanielTheFox> scholardom: but, to be honest, if you don't want your Pi, just donate it to me
[16:23] <kenzo> or do one of those stupid relay projects where you have mains 240V 30A voltage just hanging all around.... build an orbital ball of relays with loads of hot leads sticking out of the relays
[16:23] <scholardom> DanielTheFox: Will you pay for the shipping?
[16:23] <DanielTheFox> I actually dislike electronics being destroyed for no good
[16:23] <friendofafriend> It would be easy enough to control a relay and make like the video you linked.
[16:23] <kenzo> if you disturb the ball, close all the relays to make all the hot wires live
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[16:23] <DanielTheFox> scholardom: I've got some bitcoin, MAYBE I can pay it
[16:23] <DanielTheFox> but most likely the shipping will be insanely expensive :P
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[16:24] <scholardom> What about too destroyed that no one can know it's pi?
[16:24] <kenzo> speaking of which... this guy is just PURE INSANITY with relays -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m83UdW67hVY
[16:24] <DanielTheFox> scholardom: feed 96 volts, DC
[16:24] <scholardom> friendofafriend: A pile of slug would be nice :)
[16:24] <DanielTheFox> and short the SD card pins
[16:25] <DanielTheFox> it'll quickly catch fire, destroy the Pi beyond recognize and also destroy the power supply (unless it has a slow-blow fuse)
[16:25] <kenzo> like... those relay boards can only handle 120V at 10A safely on the relay, that's all the diode is good for. But I'm guessing if you plug in a dozen vacuum cleaners into this and upgrade to some massive gauge mains wire going into these relays you could make it drive them all. bloody fool
[16:25] <DanielTheFox> a fast fuse might prevent the Pi from dying
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[16:25] <DanielTheFox> no fuse and both your Pi and the 96V DC PSU will explode
[16:26] <scholardom> C4 putty might work just fine, no?
[16:26] <DanielTheFox> it's boring
[16:26] <scholardom> I can try to make some :D
[16:26] <DanielTheFox> we know how it'll end
[16:26] <scholardom> Uuuuhh, yea
[16:26] <DanielTheFox> I prefer not knowing what's going on
[16:26] <kenzo> you just have to have a mining company nearby with some bubbas who work there willing to lend you some explosive
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[16:27] <DanielTheFox> we don't know if 96V will make it into a Raspberry Toast 3 B+ or just screw up some traces and the chipset
[16:27] <scholardom> I guess putting the raspberry on fire will be safer
[16:27] <kenzo> DanielTheFox: i've seen traces blow out and cause the pcb to physically separate---depends how the trace was molded into the plastic
[16:28] <scholardom> It's not an explosion, and I only need some fuel
[16:28] <friendofafriend> Thermite has been used for destroying electronics for decades.
[16:28] <kenzo> maybe a pi molotov cocktail
[16:28] <DanielTheFox> molotov cocktails used to be cheap
[16:28] <DanielTheFox> but now even they are expensive
[16:28] <DanielTheFox> damn gas prices rising
[16:29] <friendofafriend> "I thought of everything for this model — I had it lined with a band of thermite which could be ignited by radio signal from a tiny button transmitter on your belt, so it could be burned to ashes instantly in case of a bust." --http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/the_spectator/2011/10/the_article_that_inspired_steve_jobs_secrets_of_the_little_blue_.html
[16:29] <kenzo> like... build a gelatin sac and put the pi in mineral oil, then slip that inside a plastic diesel tank with some spark plugs on the roof of the can... then instead of making the distub switch smart you can just use a mercury switch and boom... no more pi
[16:30] <kenzo> it will also burn over a thousand degrees and shoot flames about 9 to 13 feet in the air though
[16:31] <scholardom> lmao
[16:31] <hodapp> kenzo quit quoting pages out of the Anarchist's Cookbook >:O
[16:31] <scholardom> Thermite seems to be good for the job: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odT5VhgEcl0
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[16:33] <DanielTheFox> they destroyed a perfectly good flowerpot D:
[16:34] <kenzo> mercury switch home security systems would be a good idea, pressurized naptha and a spark plug could be used to fill a doorframe full of fire. use the rpi and openCV to detect if it's not you, if so then use a relay to arm the spark plug circuit---if you break down the door and enter the mercury switch will close and you will get nice and toasty
[16:34] <friendofafriend> Arson as a Service?
[16:34] <hodapp> uhhhhhh
[16:34] <kenzo> friendofafriend: lol
[16:34] <hodapp> your rates of false negatives better be really low for that
[16:34] <scholardom> lol
[16:35] <kenzo> well it's openCV so by default it's gonna get it wrong 3/4th of the time
[16:35] <friendofafriend> If thermite was good enough to bring the WTC towers down, should be good enough for your Pi.
[16:35] <kenzo> "Alexa, disable fire door"
[16:36] <Khaytsus> My alexa was not working well last night, too many people asking it drunk questions maybe
[16:36] <hodapp> OpenCV's algorithms are fine; it's more that when Wired says "look, this Deep Learning is really good at detecting that your photograph has a kittycat in it, which means that we'll have true AI sometime by tomorrow!" entirely too many people around the ML community believe it
[16:37] <kenzo> If I put on a hoodie openCV thinks I'm a giraffe
[16:37] <scholardom> Long live the kittycat!
[16:37] <Khaytsus> kenzo: Well, aren't you?
[16:37] <scholardom> kenzo: lol
[16:39] <kenzo> hmm I do have another gun project for rpi... i did a rangefinder already but I'd like a shot scope this time
[16:39] <thanos> if you really need a pi to destroy itself then you should stop doing whatever massively illegal thing you're doing.
[16:40] <thanos> cause normal people don't want self destucting computer hardware.
[16:40] <Khaytsus> Easy way to get the data on the pi to destroy itself; shut down improperly.
[16:40] <friendofafriend> Nonsense, I'd like my hard drive to destroy itself if it's not in my clutches. Wouldn't you?
[16:40] <scholardom> thanos: You're probably right
[16:41] <hodapp> thanos: "stop whatever massively illegal thing you're doing" uhhh yeah this is what they're trying to do: stop the thing
[16:41] <kenzo> it's just an rpi mounted on a very pointy metal stick with a good USB camera you put to the left/right of the target to get a field of view, another pi with a 7" display you put on the gun bench... no more shaky binoculars/telescopes
[16:41] <scholardom> lol
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[16:42] <scholardom> It is an illegal thing, it's just that it's not harming anybody
[16:42] <thanos> I'm forced to believe anyone needing to destroy their hardware is engaged in something evil, not just illegal.
[16:42] <hodapp> it could be both! it could be neither!
[16:42] <scholardom> No I'm not selling drugs or human organs, I'm only doing something less evil
[16:42] <kenzo> relax, he's just using his pi to re-serve the porn deleted off tumblr
[16:43] <thanos> playing mame games is widely illegal, but no one really cares, it's superficial and minor.
[16:43] <scholardom> kenzo: lol
[16:43] <friendofafriend> thanos: But when your SD card full of ROMs and warez ends up in the wrong hands, you don't want it destroyed by a small nuclear explosion? I sure do.
[16:44] <kenzo> ooo... openCV should be at least decent enough to recognize standard USian gun target sheets that are used at most gun ranges... could use it to do automatic shot scoring
[16:44] <scholardom> lol
[16:44] <thanos> yeah, I wouldn't want the cops knowing I enjoy cute shooters.
[16:44] <Khaytsus> kenzo: maybe it's grindr not tumblr
[16:45] <friendofafriend> There's a place for people who trust the cops, it's called jail.
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[16:45] <kenzo> The annoying thing about shooting guns is those targets are not cheap so a hack is when shooting is paused so you can run up and check your shots, you bring masking tape with you to cover up the bullet holes so you can continue using the target. if you can have a pi just clock every new bullet hole for you--no more need to walk the paper back, no more stickytape
[16:45] <kenzo> This would sell very well in the states
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[16:46] <{HD}> Is there a gpio breakout board that works for a raspi0w mounted in the raspi0case? Since if you put headers on the raspi0 for use when in the case they are on the 'bottom' and the raspi gpio breakout boards I have seen are designed for top...
[16:46] <Khaytsus> {HD}: I imagine the pins can enter from either side
[16:46] <Khaytsus> But i'd think if you're doing that you don't use the pi zero case
[16:47] <kenzo> I'd need to mount the PI and camera in Kevlar board... novices will likely land shots directly on the pi lol
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[16:47] <{HD}> Khaytsus: I guess I could cut the ribbon cable key off so I could mount it in backwards...
[16:47] <kenzo> the pi3b that can withstand a .45cal bullet (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━━┻
[16:48] <kenzo> ooo man the # of people that would buy a device like this would be up in the 500K-1M range
[16:48] <hodapp> kenzo: just put it facing downrange and put a good telephoto on it
[16:49] <kenzo> hodapp: that's the problem right now... a good telephoto scope is over $1,800USD people who care about scoring accuracy usually get an expensive tripod and a very expensive lens to do this job
[16:50] <{HD}> Nope, even mounting this thing backwards wont work...the breakout board has labels I guess I could just make a sticker that remaps all the pins on the breakout board.
[16:50] <kenzo> good rifle scopes cost more than the gun. The cost goes dramatically down if you put a narrow angle lens closer to the target
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[16:51] <kenzo> If I can just plop a smart camera that also scores my shots 7 feet from the target and off to one side so I don't shoot it... that's way better
[16:51] <kenzo> then I don't even need to squint through the lens, I can just have a TFT sitting on the table that's scoring my shots for me
[16:52] <hodapp> you can probably find Good Enough(tm) optics for far cheaper than that and put them on C/CS/M12
[16:53] <kenzo> hodapp: there's some elaborate systems out there that do this job but none are cheap thanks to the optics and I think only one system attemps to autoscore
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[16:55] <kenzo> Heh throw on a nice speaker on the tabletop unit to play sounds when you score a X
[16:56] <kenzo> <<sound of slot machine jackpot payout>>
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[16:56] <hodapp> the optics are probably a small reason behind the overall price, compared to what people are willing to pay
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[16:57] <kenzo> gun people are all over the map when it comes to pricing... some happily shell $2K for a new scope, and you have Elmer Fudds who bitch when the price of a box of .22 ammo going up 10¢
[16:58] <hodapp> people who think they are soldiers will pay quite a lot for their elaborate games of dress-up
[16:59] <kenzo> the product will sell well if it does the job it says on the tin excellectly, plus you get hickock45 trying the product out on his Youtube channel
[16:59] <kenzo> my dad is fkn addicted to that channel
[16:59] <kenzo> https://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45
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[17:04] <kenzo> I found out what scholardom is up to -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xrdwhisW-M
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[17:47] <{HD}> CRAP! Relabling the breakout board isn't going to work either because they commoned all the grounds!
[17:48] <Encrypt> Hey {HD} :)
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[17:49] <{HD}> Hey! Haha whats new?
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[17:49] <Encrypt> {HD}, I've installed weechat on my Raspberry Pi :P
[17:49] <Encrypt> One more process running there
[17:50] <Encrypt> {HD}, Also, I'm currently working on an home automation project, to control my heaters
[17:50] <{HD}> Nice! I am running irssi on mine.
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[17:50] <Encrypt> I'm using a Raspberry Pi, ATMEGA328P's and RFM69W radios
[17:50] <Encrypt> That's fun to do
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[17:51] <{HD}> Encrypt: Neat, are you doing tempature sensing or timers or just remote on/off? using 20a relys?
[17:52] <Encrypt> {HD}, Actually, we have what we call the "Pilot Wire" in France
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[17:53] <Encrypt> You control the mode of the heaters by sending the appropriate signal on the pilot wire
[17:53] <Encrypt> It's either the full "live" signal, only the negative part, only the positive part or nothing at all
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[17:54] <{HD}> Oh, cool. I thought you were controling like space heaters but your working with 'real' heaters.
[17:54] <Encrypt> It's easily doable with two optotriacs and two 1N4007 diodes
[17:54] <Encrypt> Yes
[17:54] <Khaytsus> I jusst use a $25 four period/7 day and set it exactly the way I want ;)
[17:57] <Khaytsus> I do have a pi recording my home temp, but not controlling it in any way
[17:57] <{HD}> I want this: https://www.adafruit.com/product/2270
[17:58] <{HD}> or maybe this: https://www.creatroninc.com/4060-thickbox_default/40-pin-idc-ribbon-breakout.jpg
[17:58] <Encrypt> Khaytsus, I can build a controller for each heater for less than $10 each ;)
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[17:58] <Encrypt> And I'll be able to control them remotely
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[18:00] <Encrypt> {HD}, If you're interested in controlling something the DIY way, you should check that out: https://www.mysensors.org/
[18:00] <Encrypt> It's really AWESOME.
[18:01] <Encrypt> And I'll use Home Assistant on a Raspberry Pi as controller
[18:01] <Encrypt> It's AWESOME too: https://www.home-assistant.io/demo/ :D
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[18:02] <Khaytsus> I played with HA last christmas, set it up to do some silly stuff.. and never really used it insce
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[18:02] <Encrypt> Khaytsus, Good :P
[18:02] <Khaytsus> Mostly because anything it can do, my google home or Tasker can do
[18:02] <Encrypt> Yeah
[18:03] <Encrypt> But in my case, since I'll build custom hardware with RFM69 radios, it's the best tool to use :)
[18:03] <Encrypt> And the idea isn't to let Google come into the house
[18:03] <Encrypt> (Apart from Android stuff)
[18:04] <Encrypt> I have also bought a 7inches capacitive display that I'll be using on the Pi
[18:04] <Encrypt> It will be fun :P
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[18:13] <{HD}> Encrypt: I would be interested in updates. I too am against google and don't use it including android stuff. I have a 7" touchscreen that is just in a box because I never got around to setting it up with anything.
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[18:18] <Encrypt> {HD}, Here is a scale I had designed: https://share.encrypt-labs.tk/home_assistant_front.jpg
[18:18] <Encrypt> A scale model I mean
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[18:18] <Encrypt> I'd like to build a wooden frame around the screen
[18:19] <Encrypt> https://share.encrypt-labs.tk/home_assistant_side.jpg
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[19:07] <UserUS> has anyone ever used rsyslog with an external hard drive on a Pi? When I try point the logs to a log file on the mounted external, it won't write
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[19:20] <jmadero> UserUS: you have general write permissions on the external? (e.g., you can do a straight "mkdir [external directory/something]"
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[19:24] <UserUS> jmadero, that's what I did. I gave it full permissions as well to the file and folder
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[19:24] <UserUS> also, I was wondering what the best remote client is. we have screen connect running on it but it's kind of choppy
[19:25] <jmadero> UserUS: so you've tested just a straight mkdir command to ensure you can write to it?
[19:25] <UserUS> jmadero, yeah, I used touch to make the log file as well
[19:26] <jmadero> and that worked no issue?
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[19:26] <UserUS> I mounted it in the /var/ directory and the /mnt/ directory. yeah, no issues.
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[19:26] <jmadero> same user running rsyslog ?
[19:26] <UserUS> yeah, and I matched the permissions groups and owner of the log file in /var/log
[19:27] <jmadero> hm that's interesting, is it spitting out a permissions error when you try?
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[19:27] <UserUS> well so the rsyslog writes logs to a file you specify in the config file. when I point it to /var/logs/logdump.log it works
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[19:28] <UserUS> when I point it to /mnt/Seagate/logs.log it doesn't
[19:28] <UserUS> or /var/mnt/Seagate/logs.log
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[19:28] <jmadero> have you tried very broad permissions just to test it (777 permissions)
[19:29] <UserUS> like chmod 777 the /Seagate/logs.log?
[19:29] <jmadero> I'd do it to the entire drive to start with
[19:29] <jmadero> sudo chmod -R 777 /mnt/Seagate (if that's your mount point)
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[19:30] <UserUS> jmadero, okay, let me give that a shot real quick
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[19:31] <jmadero> as for remote desktop, I don't use it at all so couldn't give feedback, I just ssh into my Pi when I need to access it
[19:32] <jmadero> I'm actually on my way to go walk on the beach for a bit, I'll be back, good luck, report back with findings - it sounds like permission issues to me
[19:32] <jmadero> if 777 fixes it, then it's narrowing down why
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[19:54] <phinxy> is it possible to boot linux console at half resolution somehow?
[19:54] <phinxy> DONT ASK ME WHY
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[19:56] <friendofafriend> What's "half resolution"? Like half the screen?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> ok I won't ask.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> won't tell either, however.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[19:57] <phinxy> With that I meant instead of the text being rendered at native size of the monitor it would appear double the size. I like the way it looks.
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[20:00] <friendofafriend> Check out raspi-config, you can set your resolution there.
[20:02] <phinxy> ah, I see now. welp, I got to figure out a network issue first.
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[20:20] <UserUS> jmadero, I tried the chmod and it didn't work :/
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[20:26] <friendofafriend> Did you give ownership to the syslog user?
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[20:28] <{HD}> how do I: int myNum = 10; system("raspistill -o image" + myNum + ".jpg");
[20:28] <{HD}> ?
[20:30] <jarod> int myNum = 10; system("raspistill -o image" + myNum + ".jpg");
[20:30] <friendofafriend> HNY, jarod.
[20:31] <{HD}> jarod: That is the same as mine! and it doesn't work...
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[20:31] <jarod> ah, you didn't say that :P
[20:31] <{HD}> *How do I fix...
[20:31] <jarod> :)
[20:31] <{HD}> invalid operands is the error I get
[20:31] <jarod> which i could code.... forgot all
[20:32] <hodapp> err, what language is this that you're trying to add strings with +, but you still must declare something as an int?
[20:32] <{HD}> hodapp: c
[20:32] <{HD}> ?
[20:32] <hodapp> yeah, you don't combine strings that way in C
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> BASIC typically uses + to concatentate strings.
[20:34] * DanielTheFox has been using QBasic, yes
[20:34] <Habbie> very confusing things happen if you try using + for that in C
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> {HD}, try: sprintf (buffer, "raspistill -o image%d.jpg", myNum);
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> where buffer is: char buffer [1000];
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> but do use snprintf and put the size in there too to prevent overvflows.
[20:35] <Habbie> for example, "raspistill -o image" + myNum is " -o image"
[20:36] <Habbie> yes, or use asprintf and free later
[20:36] <Habbie> or bite the bullet now and allow C++ in your program
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> or use BASIC :)
[20:37] <Habbie> or that
[20:37] <Habbie> or any other language in which many things are easy
[20:37] <DanielTheFox> luckily for us, the Raspberry Pi is not very fast
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> aprintf() well there you go. a new one on me!
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> DanielTheFox, it's faster than the 1Mhz Apple II next to me ...
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[20:38] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: sprintf worked!
[20:38] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: the point is, you can't just bring your standards down and use "easy" stuff
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> eh?
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[20:39] <DanielTheFox> this is not a typical machine with 16 GB RAM and a Core i7 at 2.8 GHz
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> 40 years ago I was told that computer were designed to make life easy. I'm living that.
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[20:39] <{HD}> I am used to using arduino so moving to 'geany' on raspi is still new to me.
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> so to make my life easy, I wrote my own basic interpertre - now it's easy :)
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> at least in my opinion, you should use a lower-level programming language
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> maybe, C?
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> stuff written on that is blazingly fast
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> I write in C too. It's what I wrote RTB in.
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> yup
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> I also write assembler, but these days - mostly 6502/65816 and pdp-8.
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> many people unfortunately think that everybody has a Core i7 and 4 GB RAM at least
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> life is fun.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> {HD}, look at the %d and maybe %04d which gives 0000, 0001, etc. which makes filenames easier to sort, etc.
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[20:42] <Habbie> DanielTheFox, i agree that one should not always just pick Python to make life easy; but I also feel that one should sometimes be allowed to pick an easy language if the impact won't be big
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> latest fun project: https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20181231_223826.jpg
[20:43] <DanielTheFox> true there
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> your small custom program that converts from °C to °F (or vice versa) can be written in Python
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> assuming you only use it for yourself
[20:45] <DanielTheFox> but well, a program that is going to be used by lots of persons, lots of systems with varying capabilities, it is a good idea to make it run fast
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[20:46] <DanielTheFox> there's a program I use called "xmp" which plays MODs and trackers (often for retro music and modified/customized chiptunes), it starts incredibly fast and uses 10% CPU even when I've set RPi's CPU speed to very low speeds such as 80 MHz
[20:47] <UserUS> friendofafriend, hey, how you doin? I did not, do I just change the owner to syslog?
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[21:10] <RasbianNewby> hey guys! happy new year! I am quite new to Rasbian/Linux, but keen to use it and to learn. I am trying to use an Huion graphic tablet with rasbpian, but I can't get it to work. I tried to install the DIGImend drivers, but no luck (it work just fine with Ubuntu). Are graphic tablets supported at all by Rasbian? Many thanks in advance for your kind support!
[21:11] <RasbianNewby> this is what I tried to install: https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers
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[21:12] <Lartza> RasbianNewby, Did the drivers not install or what?
[21:13] <RasbianNewby> hi Lartza - they installed but I am not able to make the graphic tablet to work
[21:13] <RasbianNewby> I'll send you a pm with the details if that's okay
[21:13] <Lartza> DKMS is working and it built the module?
[21:13] <Lartza> I mean sure, but others can probably use the details to help too?
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[21:44] <jigubigule> Has anyone here messed with Samy Kamkar's Poison Tap project? Have you guys made it to work, because mine cannot seem to do the keystroke injection
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[22:14] <{HD}> are all pins tristate? I cannot seem to set pinMode(14, OUTPUT); "wiringPiSetupGpio()"
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[22:15] <{HD}> whoops...I had it plugged into bcm 18...duh...
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> gpio readall
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[22:33] <IamJustMe> I'm trying to make a target for a cubieboard (arm7 single board computer running linux similar to raspberry pi)
[22:33] <IamJustMe> and i'm trying to do it through cross compiling from ubuntu
[22:33] <IamJustMe> it doesn't seem to want to link in my math library (for trig functions)
[22:34] <IamJustMe> can someone help nme out here
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[22:58] <IamJustMe> seriously, nobody?
[22:59] <Habbie> IamJustMe, you asked an unclear question about something very specific - have some patience or work on improving the question
[22:59] <Habbie> IamJustMe, and it's not even a raspberry pi question
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[23:01] <IamJustMe> habbie, I did ask a specific question, what can I do to add clarity
[23:02] <IamJustMe> its not raspberry pi, but I suspect its identical to raspberry pi for this purpose
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[23:02] <Habbie> 'make a target' does not tell us what you are actually trying to do; you did not show the errors you are getting; you did not show what you tried; etc.
[23:04] <IamJustMe> http://paste.debian.net/1058257
[23:04] <Habbie> yes, that does look like -lm is missing
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[23:06] <IamJustMe> http://paste.debian.net/1058258
[23:07] <Habbie> ok, now post your make line and full output
[23:09] <IamJustMe> it was just make -f <makefile>
[23:09] <IamJustMe> that was the makefile
[23:10] <Khaytsus> IamJustMe: Why are you asking about some random thing that's "similar" to a pi in here?
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[23:11] <IamJustMe> http://paste.debian.net/1058259
[23:11] <IamJustMe> khaytsus, because I didn't choose the hardware to use, and the hardware that I'm using is similar to but far less populr than the Pi
[23:11] <Habbie> it's not a hardware question at all, though
[23:12] <IamJustMe> habbie, its only hardware to the exent that I'm cross compiling
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[23:12] <Habbie> -lm is in there, so i'm out of clues
[23:12] <Habbie> any reason you don't compile on the target device?
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[23:14] <IamJustMe> the version of linux on the device is incomplete and old
[23:14] <Habbie> 'linux', i suppose you mean the distribution on it
[23:14] <IamJustMe> yes
[23:14] <IamJustMe> its effecticely stripped down
[23:14] <IamJustMe> and old
[23:14] <Habbie> pi users generally don't have that problem
[23:14] <IamJustMe> habbie, okay, great
[23:14] <Habbie> so, again, it's not a hardware problem, not really a pi problem
[23:14] <IamJustMe> i assumed that some pi users did cross compile
[23:14] <Habbie> and i think it'll be hard to find help in here
[23:15] <Habbie> oh many do
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[23:15] <Habbie> but not usually with the kind of business constraints you appear to be under
[23:15] <IamJustMe> habbie, first off, there is no "business" here
[23:15] <Habbie> it's entirely possible somebody will wake up in 10 hours, see your question, and say "oh i know this!"
[23:15] <Habbie> i'm just managing expectations
[23:15] <Habbie> IamJustMe, ok
[23:16] <IamJustMe> second, if you are cross compiling you haven't told me what the difference here is between what i'm doing and what you'd do on a Pi
[23:16] <IamJustMe> it should be the same
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[23:16] <Habbie> not if the target environment is 'recent debian' vs 'whatever old busted thing you are building for'
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[23:17] <Habbie> but this discussion is not interesting
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[23:18] <Habbie> maybe there's a yocto channel?
[23:18] <IamJustMe> habbie, i'm building for recent debian
[23:18] <IamJustMe> as far as i know
[23:19] <Habbie> 22:14Z <IamJustMe> the version of linux on the device is incomplete and old
[23:19] <Habbie> now i'm confused
[23:19] <IamJustMe> habbie, you said it yourself, it can't load the math library
[23:19] <IamJustMe> right/
[23:19] <Habbie> i said it looked like that
[23:19] <leftyfb> IamJustMe: bottom line, your question is not related to the Raspberry Pi or Raspbian. You would be better suited asking elsewhere. Maybe try #arm or something.
[23:20] <IamJustMe> sure looked it to me
[23:20] <Habbie> yes
[23:20] <Habbie> doesn't mean it is
[23:20] <Habbie> that's something you can find out
[23:20] <Habbie> and we cannot
[23:20] * Habbie zzz
[23:20] <IamJustMe> what else could it be?
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[23:23] <{HD}> I am using time(NULL) to get epoch in seconds but I want milliseconds...thoughts?
[23:24] <Habbie> gettimeofday, clock_gettime
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[23:26] <{HD}> Hum...I will try those.
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[23:52] <_unreal_> does any one have any interest in a RPI shell designed for a 7" rpi lcd?
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[23:54] <_unreal_> the shell shell will LOOK like this.... this is a spash mold I made to make a mold off of https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EMYguINfdBS1wTeoze2DFCxf3hYviQs4
[23:54] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Qp3ymyI0zeRDvB9J4qOQ4HlmBaYecx8w back fiew
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