#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2019-01-02

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:14] <Takumidesh> When setting up a call home VPN to work in conjunction with a pihole, is it necessary to install open and config it before installing pihole?
[0:15] <Takumidesh> Openvpn*
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[0:25] <friendofafriend> Takumidesh: There's a friendly blogpost about it here.
[0:25] <friendofafriend> https://marcstan.net/blog/2017/06/25/PiVPN-and-Pi-hole/
[0:25] <Takumidesh> Thanks!
[0:26] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome.
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[0:40] <{HD}> Is /tmp on ram? If I raspistill to /tmp will it be faster? Right now raspistill takes over 5 seconds.
[0:42] <Takumidesh> I think it's on the sd
[0:43] <Takumidesh> But I think you can mount /tmp with tmpfs
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[0:44] <{HD}> oh
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[0:45] <Takumidesh> If you were using raspistill on ram though you would lose everything it captured if you lost power/rebooted
[0:45] <{HD}> Yea, I am fine with that. They get offloaded anyway. I am just trying to make raspistill faster.
[0:47] <{HD}> whats the diff between tmpfs and ramfs?
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[0:48] <Takumidesh> I'm not super familiar but I think ramfs is mostly deprecated and replaced with tmpfs
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[0:50] <{HD}> maybe only .5 seconds faster on tmpfs...
[0:50] <{HD}> too slow!
[0:53] <Takumidesh> How fast are you trying to take stills?
[0:53] <Takumidesh> A class 10 sd card may help if you don't have one already.
[0:54] <{HD}> as fast as possible. Isn't writing to ram going to be faster then even class10? and I am using a 10 now.
[0:55] <Takumidesh> Yeah it would be
[0:56] <Takumidesh> {HD} check this out
[0:56] <Takumidesh> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50075
[0:57] <Takumidesh> He is claiming <10ms delay
[0:59] <{HD}> Takumidesh: Cool, I will give that a try after a few more tests with stock options.
[1:00] <Takumidesh> I haven't messed with that software, but it might be worth a look
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[1:05] <{HD}> Takumidesh: WTH! There is a default 5s delay on taking stills with raspistill...
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[1:08] <Takumidesh> Yeah I think thats for exposure, the time gives the camera proper time to do white balance and such.
[1:08] <Takumidesh> Did reducing the delay help?
[1:09] <{HD}> Takumidesh: Yea! I set to 0 and it takes picture instantly. And they look fine.
[1:09] <Takumidesh> Nice!
[1:11] <{HD}> -t, --timeout : Time (in ms) before takes picture and shuts down (if not specified, set to 5s)
[1:11] <{HD}> doesn't sound like it has anything to do with levels
[1:13] <Takumidesh> As long as the quality you want is there I don't see why setting it to zero would cause a problem.
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[1:16] <{HD}> 0 doesn't work...but 1(ms) works fine
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[1:36] <_unreal_> do any of you guys use 7" rpi lcd's?
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[1:37] * DanielTheFox has a 3.5" one, connected only into GPIO
[1:38] <Khaytsus> as his main display using the pi as a laptop
[1:38] <DanielTheFox> yes, now everybody is aware :P
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[2:01] <cybertree> what do yall think about pi hole ?
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[2:40] <Takumidesh> cybertree I have been using it for a few days now, 800k domains blacklisted. It stops about 60 of queries across 25 devices on my network. It's pretty consistent but breaks some website.
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[2:47] <friendofafriend> Pihole is pretty good, beats trying to get your router to blacklist.
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[3:37] <HighInBC> pihole is great, pity youtube now serves their videos from the same servers as their ads
[3:38] <HighInBC> they started doign that right around the time they started letting you pay for no ads
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[4:05] <X-M4ch1nA> So I have this odd instance that's been bothering me... if I boot my rpib3+ with Wi-Fi adapter plugged in, the adapter becomes wlan0, instead of the on board chip. Is this normal behaviour?
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[4:08] <friendofafriend> Unpredictable interface naming is pretty normal.
[4:08] <X-M4ch1nA> Is there a solution to this?
[4:09] <friendofafriend> Check out the tool "ifrename", you can make a config file to set a MAC to an interface name.
[4:09] <X-M4ch1nA> Ok thanks
[4:09] <friendofafriend> Very welcome.
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[4:10] <X-M4ch1nA> I don't recall it happening on prior releases, so was jw. U been more than helpful as usual
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[5:37] <ball> I should go to bed because I have to be up for work in the morning. Instead I'm watching videos about the Raspberry Pi 3A+
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[9:52] <gordonDrogon> {HD}, if you're using wiringPi, then the millis() function returns the number of mS since you called wiringPiSetup() ...
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[10:52] <hungrywolf> My raspberry pi 0 starts in xwindows mode
[10:52] <hungrywolf> I was running sdl on it
[10:52] <hungrywolf> and it put it into text console mode
[10:52] <hungrywolf> how can I return to xwindows
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[11:05] <gordonDrogon> exit your application
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> it ought to retutn, however try Alt+F7 (or F6, F5, F4, etc.)
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> or even Alt+F8
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or F2, 3, ...) is the usual go from X to Console, and just Alt+F7 (or 8,6,5, ..) back to X.
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[12:14] <hungrywolf> is opengl es 3.2 supported by raspberry pi 0
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[15:21] <taza> How good has the Pi Hut been with continental Europe packages for folk?
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[15:49] <lopta> Does Raspbian automatically control WiFi TX power to suit the level received at the access point?
[15:49] <lopta> (for infrastructure mode)
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[16:35] <ItalyPaleAle> Hi, I am setting up a new RPi 3 with Raspbian Jessie Lite. I have just installed it and there’s nothing running in the system. When I’m connected to it via SSH, after ~30 seconds the connection freezes and then I get a “Broken pipe” error. I can’t understand what’s wrong… My RPi is connected via wired ethernet, and I’ve tried setting “TCPKeepAlive no” in the sshd_config file, but it didn’t work
[16:36] <Khaytsus> You shouldn't have to do anythiing
[16:37] <Khaytsus> Maybe you have a bad burn and the device isn't booting properly
[16:37] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: uh? the device is booting, I can connect to it and it’s working. but it randomly disconnects me
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[16:37] <ItalyPaleAle> i also tried setting a static IP, but didn’t fix the issue
[16:38] <Khaytsus> You can connect back in? and it's fine? It's not rebooting?
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[16:38] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: no it’s fine, i can actually see the processes running started in the previous ssh session (e.g. if I have a “nano” editor open)
[16:39] <ItalyPaleAle> it just seems like the networking stack is unstable. or something
[16:39] <Khaytsus> Odd. Never had such an issue myself. What if you ping it continuously
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[16:41] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: just tried. keeps responding to pings
[16:41] <ItalyPaleAle> even after SSH freezes
[16:41] <ItalyPaleAle> looking online, seems a common issue, but it’s mostly for people on WiFi. the solution proposed, to disable TCPKeepAlive, didn’t work
[16:41] <Khaytsus> No idea. If it were networking, ping would also fail.
[16:42] <Khaytsus> I've never heard of such an issue, and certainly never touched tcp keepalive.
[16:42] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: so it must be an issue with SSHD
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[16:44] <Khaytsus> I have 4 pies here, 24/7, on wifi. None have the issue you describe.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> ItalyPaleAle, any reason for jessie? current Raspbian is squeeze, however that's probably not your issue.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> ItalyPaleAle, and in-general sshd really does work - I've setup 100's of Pi's and it "just works".
[16:44] <thanos> got my pi. omgggg so tiny :D
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> if I were to guess it might be a duplicate IP address.
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> thanos, welcome to Pi world :)
[16:45] <mfa298> I've had ssh disconnect issues on a few devices but that's tended to be wifi and ssh client related not an issue with the pi (or other device) I'm connecting to
[16:46] <Khaytsus> Yes I suspect he has a network issue. Or a cruddy ssh _client_ issue.
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> especially as 30 seconds is a typical ARP timeout...
[16:46] <Khaytsus> Especially if he set a static IP, but I assume he implied he was on dynamic at first
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[16:47] <Khaytsus> Unless he has randomly set other static IPs his dhcp server knows not about
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[16:47] <mfa298> in my case it usually ties in with roaming between APs - but doesn't always happen or on all ssh sessions. (both ap's have same setup and on the same network)
[16:48] <mfa298> but I've seen comments about people having issues with certain wifi routers/aps and pi's (and probably other devices) so I suspect there's a variety of wifi related issues
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 wi-fi APs here and don't see disconnects - however I rarely wander through the house with a laptop, phone, etc. wifey does, but she doesn't ssh, so streaming stuff seems ok.
[16:52] <ItalyPaleAle> gordonDrogon: Sorry, it was Stretch. last one I could find on the official website
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[16:52] <ItalyPaleAle> gordonDrogon: no, the address is not duplicated. both the original one (assigned by DHCP) and the new one i put as static aren’t duplicated
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[16:53] <ItalyPaleAle> This is not the first Pi that I set up and never had issues before
[16:55] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: and no, i definitely don’t have multiple DHCP servers or overlapping ranges, the network is certainly fine ;)
[16:56] <Khaytsus> Maybe it's defective.. anything in logs?
[16:56] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: which logs
[16:57] <Khaytsus> ...logs
[16:57] <Khaytsus> Like any linux system
[16:57] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: since I only have 30 seconds, I’d need to know what logs to look for
[16:57] <Khaytsus> Like any other pi
[16:57] <Khaytsus> or Linux system
[16:59] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: nothing in syslog
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[16:59] <ItalyPaleAle> i’ve installed updates, just in case. then i’ll check the sshd log
[17:00] <Khaytsus> Have you tried another client? Maybe its the client, not the server (the pi)
[17:01] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: i’m using the SSH client built into macOS. it has never given me issues with other SSH servers, including RPis
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[17:03] <ItalyPaleAle> Khaytsus: i’m launching a firmware update
[17:03] <ItalyPaleAle> let’s see...
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[17:09] <ItalyPaleAle> any other idea?
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[17:15] <BurtyB> ItalyPaleAle, anything in /var/log/kern.log or daemon.log give any pointers to why it disconnected after you've reconnected?
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[17:23] <Khaytsus> He says nothing is disconnecting except his ssh into it. Which seems odd to me.
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[18:30] <{HD}> Does 'raspistill' have a return value? I only see 'raspistill --help' and there is no man page...
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> try running it then echo $?
[18:32] <akk> Probably it will exit nonzero if there's a problem.
[18:33] <{HD}> So, I raspistilled to a folder that doesn't exist and got the error "No output file will be generated" but "echo $?" = "0"
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> so maybe it never sets the right return code - sucks, but sometimes that's the way it is.
[18:39] <{HD}> that does suck...is there any way to capture the error?
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> not if the program doesn't return it.
[18:48] <Alina-malina> so
[18:48] <Alina-malina> i have a question
[18:49] <Alina-malina> about tube lamps and professional equipment that studios using for recording/listening music in their studios
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[18:49] <Alina-malina> if i remember correctly we been doscussing here that there are some special modules for rpi3
[18:49] <Alina-malina> amplifiers for rpi3
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[19:03] <friendofafriend> Alina-malina: Raspi DACs? https://www.hifiberry.com/
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[19:04] <Alina-malina> hmmm just a moment i try to find the url, i have it somewhre saved in my notpad
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[19:13] <Alina-malina> oh it was this: https://www.allo.com/sparky/kali-reclocker.html i could not understand what is this thing doing. but my question is a little different, people who see me using this wonderful rpi3s and tiny other computers they imidetly start attacking me and telling that analogue tube amplifiers are way way more better then electronic ones in general, this is really making me pissed off, because i dont have arguments to answer
[19:13] <Alina-malina> them, i understand that professionals using that equipment that they spent millions of dollars for building their studios, but still what would be the digital alternatives for these stupid tube stuff that i always get frustrated when people sticking it in my nose
[19:14] <larsks> Alina-malina: maybe just ignore those people and have fun doing your own thing.
[19:14] <Alina-malina> i do, but still, its not the first time, and sometimes i see foam coming out of those peoples mouthes lol
[19:15] <DanielTheFox> Alina-malina: well, they spent millions on their stuff
[19:15] <DanielTheFox> you spent less money
[19:15] <DanielTheFox> that's your advantage
[19:16] <Alina-malina> yes i agree with you :)
[19:16] <DanielTheFox> ignore those rich boys that spend 10 dollars in a goddamn chocolate bar
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[19:16] <DanielTheFox> when someone less dumb would spend ~1 dollar
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[19:19] <Alina-malina> lol
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[19:23] <scorp1us> Hello all. What does one need to go to pip install opencv in 2019?
[19:24] <scorp1us> I'll also accept apt-get but I don't have the time to build it from source.
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[19:39] <larsks> scorp1us: there appear to be opencv packages. What's your question?
[19:40] <scorp1us> What's the command?
[19:40] <Habbie> apt-cache search opencv
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[19:40] <{HD}> when I use 'system(raspistill)' it creates the file as root,root even thought the .c was run as regular user. How do I run 'system()' from a particular user?
[19:40] <larsks> "apt install python-opencv"
[19:40] <larsks> (assuming you want the python module along with everything else)
[19:41] <larsks> {HD}: it shouldn't create the file as root unless you're actually running as root.
[19:41] <larsks> How exactly are you running your code?
[19:42] <{HD}> ./appname
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> as root/with sudo?
[19:42] <{HD}> nope
[19:42] <larsks> What's your current uid? What directory are you in? What does "ls -l" look like before and after running your code?
[19:42] <{HD}> the app is in Documents
[19:43] <larsks> ...because if you can create root-owned files as a non-root user, you can make good money in the security industry.
[19:43] <{HD}> its pi,pi
[19:43] <{HD}> I run with ./appname
[19:43] <{HD}> then system("raspistill")
[19:43] <{HD}> makes root,root files
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[19:44] <larsks> What does
[19:44] <larsks> What does "ls -lL /usr/bin/raspistill" show?
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[19:44] <larsks> The only thing I can think of is that someone made raspistill on your system setuid.
[19:44] <{HD}> root,root
[19:45] <larsks> That's not actually the part I was interested in.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> ls -l /opt/vc/bin/raspistill
[19:46] <larsks> gordonDrogon: that will return the same thing, yes.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> sure, but give us the rwx bits..
[19:46] <larsks> Yes, as would the command I suggested :)
[19:46] <{HD}> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 128604 Nov 12 17:25 /opt/vc/bin/raspistill
[19:46] <larsks> Nope, that looks fine.
[19:47] <larsks> I dunno. I don't see anything that would explain the behavior you're describing.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I guess ls -l ./myprog too just for completeness.
[19:48] <{HD}> -rwxr-xr-x 1 pi pi 8824 Jan 2 18:39 ./appname
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> well there you go. I'g go make your million as an elite hacker who can create root ownered files on random Pi. systems. Remember us ...
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[19:50] <scorp1us> Thanks larks, Habbie, that seems to be working. I don't know why googling didn't produce a usable result
[19:50] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: Thanks. I'll write when I can afford postage.
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[19:54] <{HD}> http://dpaste.com/0VR3N2Y
[19:55] <Lartza> Doesn't work
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> what's the output of the mount command for that device? ie. mount | grep mnt
[19:56] <Lartza> Seems it was a temporary hiccup with dpaste
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[19:57] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: um... nothing.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> ok. maybe a systemd thing, who knows. how did you mount it? I'm assuming some sort of usb drive here ... ?
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[19:58] <{HD}> tmpfs
[19:58] <{HD}> ramdisk
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[19:59] <larsks> If it's a tmpfs filesystem, there should be corresponding output from 'mount'.
[19:59] <{HD}> tmpfs on /mnt/tmp type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k)
[19:59] <{HD}> spelled mnt wront
[19:59] <{HD}> lol
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> ok. just wondered. there are mount options for some filesystems to force user/group IDs.
[20:00] <{HD}> Alright, going to go eat. Maybe it will work when I get back. Thanks for the help.
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[20:26] <UserUS> so whenever I use chown to change group and file owners, it completes but doesn't actually change anything. Is there a reason for this?
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[20:28] <Lartza> UserUS, Filesystem?
[20:28] <UserUS> It's a raspberry Pi running Raspian
[20:29] <Lartza> And you are not trying to chown /boot or an USB drive?
[20:30] <hodapp> are other file changes fine? asking because I once managed to get an SD card into a state where the system would boot and every change I made would "succeed", then I would reboot and all changes would be lost
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[20:30] <UserUS> Lartza, it's an external HDD mounted to a file, yes
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[20:31] <Lartza> So is it a fat32 or an ntfs drive? Those don't have posix permissions
[20:31] <UserUS> it's an NTFS drive
[20:31] <Lartza> There you go, that's why
[20:31] <UserUS> I mounted it using ntfs-3g I think
[20:31] <UserUS> so is that not possible then?
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[20:32] <Lartza> ntfs-3g only has a slightly hacky way of doing posix but it needs mapping to windows users etc iirc
[20:32] <Lartza> You need to mount it for the user you want
[20:32] <UserUS> zi did
[20:32] <Lartza> Right, but you can't change it with chown
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[20:33] <Lartza> Use uid and gid and umask, if you need multiple users to access the drive use a group
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[20:33] <UserUS> well I'm using Rsyslog which requires certain permissions for the log file...Can I just make a folder/file point to another location?
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[20:35] <Lartza> What do you mean?
[20:36] <Lartza> Why would rsyslog log to your drive and not /var/log
[20:37] <UserUS> Well I want to spare the sandisk in the Pi's read/write and use the external instead
[20:37] <UserUS> can't I use a symbolic link to point the file to another?
[20:37] <Lartza> Why not format the drive to another filesystem?
[20:37] <UserUS> oh so just make it an ext4?
[20:38] <Lartza> For example
[20:38] <Lartza> You can even have your whole root partition there :/
[20:38] <Lartza> And usb boot from it
[20:39] <Lartza> rpi3 doesn't need an sd card, rpi2 does for booting but it doesn't access it after that
[20:44] <UserUS> ohh, okay. well that's a much better idea, lol
[20:44] <UserUS> can it be encrypted still just like a normal sd?
[20:45] <Lartza> I mean, yes? Not sure what you mean SD cards aren't encrypted normally
[20:46] <UserUS> well, I know you can encrypt them, so I just wanted to make sure. it's gonna be a jump box so if someone steals it we want it to be encrypted
[20:46] <Lartza> Right, so yeah but that's a manual progress just like for an SD card
[20:46] <stevest> what's a "jump box"?
[20:46] <Lartza> And of course on the rpi /boot needs to be unencrypted
[20:47] <UserUS> stevest, a jump box is like when IT has a computer only for them on site
[20:47] <UserUS> Lartza, can you recommend a good remote software for the pi? we have screeconnect but it's kinda choppy. I was thinking vnc
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[20:48] <Lartza> I mean VNC is just a protocol, I only use Google Remote Desktop atm :P But would probably use tigervnc if I needed to access an rpi remotely
[20:48] <Lartza> (Apart from SSH)
[20:49] <Lartza> Really depends on why screenconnect is choppy if VNC is any better though
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[20:49] <UserUS> hmm, okay. I think we're getting the new pi B model and it should be les choppy because of performance. I think it's just cause of the load on the machine
[20:50] <ali1234> VNC is unlikely to be better
[20:50] <ali1234> X11 on the default driver is slow enough running native
[20:51] <UserUS> are there any cheap upgrades to the video card?
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[20:52] <ali1234> there are no video upgrades of any kind, unless you count the DLC codecs, but they will not make VNC/screensharing faster
[20:53] <UserUS> so I guess there isn't anything in particular to upgrade to assist, just cpu?
[20:53] <ali1234> no, nothing
[20:54] <UserUS> alrighty then, I tried lol. thanks guys
[20:54] <ali1234> all you can do is buy a 3B+ and maybe try to overclock it, but honestly X11 is a monster and the default driver is really inefficient. you can try the KMS driver, it might help a bit
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[20:55] <ali1234> the best way for remote access on pi is to just use ssh
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[20:57] <willmore> Is the kernel config file available somewhere in the file system? Fedora boxes keep it in /boot/config-<kernelversion>, but I can't find it on a raspbian system.
[20:58] <willmore> I ask because I'm trying to find the current value of HZ that the kernel was compiled with.
[20:58] <ali1234> willmore: the kernel config is in the kernel source as a defconfig
[20:59] <willmore> so I need to install the kernel source apk?
[20:59] <Lartza> Is it not in /proc/config.gz?
[20:59] <ali1234> if that exists, then yes
[20:59] <ali1234> but not all kernels are built with that option
[20:59] <Lartza> Well is Raspbian :P
[20:59] <willmore> Lartza, nope, I don't see it in /proc.
[21:00] <Lartza> modprobe configs?
[21:00] <willmore> Lartza, there it is!
[21:00] <willmore> Thanks!
[21:00] <ali1234> wow i didn't know that was possible
[21:01] <ali1234> didn't know you could set that option to M :)
[21:01] <Lartza> Me neither actually
[21:01] <Lartza> Google helps ;)
[21:01] <willmore> Lartza, I wouldn't even have though to google that. :)
[21:02] <willmore> Looks like we've got HZ_100 defined. Darn. I need to find a kernel with HZ_1000 set instead. I wonder if there is an alternate kernel with that. Or where to look... Hmmm...
[21:02] <ali1234> you could just build it yourself
[21:02] <ali1234> it is rather easy to cross compile linux
[21:02] <ali1234> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md
[21:03] <willmore> ali1234, that's probably what I'll need to do.
[21:03] <ali1234> you can even do it on the pi if you are patient
[21:04] <willmore> The fun might be that I'm not on a debian based os--using Fedora.
[21:04] <willmore> I'll take a look into that.
[21:04] <ali1234> fedora will not be a problem. kernel has no dependencies except gcc and binutils. not even glibc is needed
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[21:04] <ali1234> and there is a binary cross compiler supplied ready to go
[21:04] <ali1234> it's all covered in the link
[21:04] <willmore> i'm trying to lower the latency of USB serial connections so that octoprint on octopi can issue more commands to 3d printers
[21:05] <ali1234> hmm
[21:05] <willmore> ali1234, thanks. I'll head over.
[21:05] <ali1234> have you considered using the built in UART?
[21:05] <ali1234> USB will always have a relatively higher latency
[21:06] <willmore> I've used setserial to set low_latency and that gets me an improvement, and the next recommendation is to crank up the HZ value to speed up task swaps.
[21:06] <ali1234> of course if you want to control like 10 then you have no choice but USB
[21:07] <willmore> ali1234, the printer is arduino based, so it's a built in USB<>serial converter.
[21:07] <willmore> There's no changing that, I'm afraid.
[21:07] <ali1234> ah... well, not necessarily. arduinos do have hardware serial too... even the 32u4
[21:07] <ali1234> is it using that for something else?
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[21:09] <willmore> That would require hardware mods to peoples printers.
[21:09] <willmore> Which is somewhat outside of the scope of what I'm looking into.
[21:09] <willmore> I'm looking for a software only change to improve latency.
[21:10] <willmore> So far the low latency setting with setserial took my 32K "NOP" commands from 3m down to 1m49s
[21:10] <willmore> Which is pretty good.
[21:10] <willmore> I'm hoping the HZ setting will have a similar improvement.
[21:10] <ali1234> why do you need to blast commands anyway?
[21:10] <ali1234> i dont know much about 3D printers, what's the benefit here?
[21:11] <ali1234> don't they buffer on the arduino side?
[21:11] <willmore> The commands tell the printer how to move. The arduino firmware has a small buffer. On complex curves, the moves may be broken down into many little small lines.
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[21:12] <willmore> So, the printer can starve of commands because we can't stuff enough move commands due to the latency of "send command, wait for response, send command, wait for response..."
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[21:12] <ali1234> hmm... if i were making a 3d printer i'd make it accept curve parameters and calculate the curve itself :)
[21:13] <ali1234> but yes i can see that could be a problem if you need to turn the curve into lots of lines
[21:13] <willmore> That's an option, but you now have two problems. First, the little 8 bit arduino is going to choke doing the curve math because it's just too anemic.
[21:13] <willmore> Secondly, you have to have a slicer that can look at the shapes it needs to extrude and convert them into arcs.
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[21:15] <willmore> Neither of those are easily solved. Instead most printing is moving to the klipper system. Where more of the motion control planning is done in the computer (a rpi or PC) and the printer is given very simple commands to control the motors.
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[21:15] <willmore> That system needs much less back and forth communication as the commands are sent over in large batches.
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[21:18] <ali1234> you could probably reduce latency by avoiding usb serial entirely, and inventing your own protocol that works at the USB transfer level
[21:18] <ali1234> but that would mean rewriting the printer firmware
[21:19] <hodapp> just how complex of curves are we talking?
[21:20] <hodapp> because even an anemic processor can sling math fairly quick if it's something hard-coded via fixed-point or something
[21:20] <ali1234> yes, AVR can do bezier curves no problem
[21:20] <ali1234> but... to control a bunch of steppers at the same time it has to do a load of other stuff too
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[21:23] <ali1234> steppers are a bit more complicated than just sending arbitrary pulses to the driver. you have to deal with momentum by speed ramping for example
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> it's an interesting problem (he says, listening from afar :) I was using CNC tools almsot 40 years ago which did all this without too much hassle, although even then cost was many more ��������� ...
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[21:25] <ali1234> it probably had an ASIC to deal with most of it
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> one robot I used had a 6502 per joint and a pdp11 doing the overall control..
[21:25] <ali1234> hence the astronomical cost
[21:27] <ali1234> also there's basically no lower limit for how slow a CNC can go and still work... where as additive printing has problems if you don't go fast enough... like the part warping because it cooled down too much
[21:28] <ali1234> or so i'm told :)
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> should be able to do all that with constant velocity - and that's calculable on the host - then just dump the commands to the ATmega or whatever - you can get a good interrupt driven serial buffer going and you have nearly 2K to play with.
[21:29] <ali1234> yeah, that's exactly what it does... but apparently it's not fast enough :)
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[21:29] <gordonDrogon> maybe one day I'll get a 3D printer and have a play.
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[21:29] <willmore> ali1234, you're not wrong.
[21:30] <willmore> Hey, gordonDrogon
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> I've been involved with 2 other 3d printer projects in past years, but they've not come to much from what I know.
[21:30] <willmore> There's been a lot of incremental improvement, but nothing ground breaking.
[21:30] <willmore> faster, quieter, etc.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/steppers.jpg
[21:30] <willmore> But nothing 10x
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> that was a little test rig setup.
[21:31] <willmore> ali1234, I'm failing at building a kernel. :) *** Can't find default configuration "arch/x86/configs/bcm2709_defconfig"!
[21:31] <willmore> LOL. Uhh, try in arm, friend...
[21:31] <ali1234> i'm always tempted to buy a 3d printer but then i remember how much hassle 2d printers are, and 3d printers are probably exponentially worse
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> I guess the answer these days is to throw a 32-bit thing at it though.
[21:32] <ali1234> willmore: make sure you exported ARCH=arm
[21:32] <willmore> Yes, every 'd' adds a new dimenaion of pain.
[21:32] <willmore> gordonDrogon, there are a lot of 32 bit printer controller designs.
[21:32] <willmore> But most of them are USB and suffer from command starvation from time to time.
[21:33] <willmore> The weak spot for the curve based commands is in the slicer. None of them generate arcs.
[21:33] <willmore> ali1234, will do.
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> I go back to the stuff I was doing 38 year ago - if we could do it on an 8080 then, then why not now...
[21:33] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[21:34] <Khaytsus> If I could turn back time
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> actually latency, etc. may be something though - I did read an article recently about how modern computers have higher latency for many small things than the old 8-bit micros - by the time you serialise stuff up, usb it, feed it through a million lines of kernel + app and send it back again ...
[21:34] <hodapp> welcome to hell. here's your 8051.
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[21:35] <hodapp> gordonDrogon: higher latency, and almost certainly less deterministic latency
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> no no ... here is my 6502 :) https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20181115_164041.jpg
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> and on that note, I'm off to make supper :)
[21:37] <willmore> Yeah, hell is 8051. Or Z80. Never cared for either. Give me a 6502 or 68K or something clean. ARM is nice. Alpha was beautiful.
[21:37] <ali1234> z80 is nice tho
[21:37] <ali1234> more registers than 6502 anyway
[21:37] <hodapp> willmore: in the land of 8-bit, why did you like 6502 better than 8051 or Z80?
[21:38] <hodapp> I'd always heard that mc68k was quite nice to work on... worked for a company that as late as 2010 or so was still shipping industrial equipment based on it (and might still be)
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[21:42] <willmore> hodapp, the arch just makes more sense with the way my brain works. I like PIC over ATMEL, too.
[21:43] <willmore> 68k is just very nice because there are very few 'gotcha' or illegal combinations of registers.
[21:43] <willmore> Not like x86 where only certain registers can do certain things.
[21:43] <willmore> Okay, ali1234 kernel building.
[21:43] <willmore> I used the defconfig just changed the HZ value.
[21:44] <scorp1us> ali1234, I just got a 3D printer, it's not much of a hassle. I love the damn thing.
[21:44] <willmore> scorp1us, what did you get?
[21:44] <ali1234> i can't even get my laser printer to print labels properly
[21:44] <willmore> LOL
[21:44] <scorp1us> I got the CR-10S.
[21:45] <willmore> That is a well though of printer. The hotend isn't well loved, but it's easy to replace it.
[21:45] <scorp1us> If I were buying today, id's get the CR10-S Pro.
[21:46] <hodapp> willmore: I do remember that it was famously way more clean than the 80386, which had a bunch of janky addressing modes and with mc68k it was just flat 32-bit address space
[21:46] <scorp1us> The stock CR10 has shit fans. The pro hs better fans and better (silent) stepper drivers, though I kind of like the stepper motor music
[21:46] <scorp1us> The thing other than the fans is the control box is integrated and saves cabling/desk space without the control box on the side.
[21:46] <willmore> hodapp, oh, yeah, that was no comparison.
[21:47] <willmore> scorp1us, the quiet motor drivers are wonderful. They're not only quiet, but they have more torque.
[21:47] <hodapp> and the 386 could be put into 'flat real mode' through some trick that involved going from real mode to protected mode back to real mode without re-initializing something... but I think this was used almost nowhere
[21:47] <willmore> I'm modifying a bunch of printers for my kids school and that's one of the upgrades.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> I have a 386 here that runs SysVr3 ..
[21:47] <hodapp> whaaaa
[21:47] <Khaytsus> Of course you do gordonDrogon
[21:47] <scorp1us> My workplace has a makerbot 2+ which is dead silent.
[21:48] <Khaytsus> WHy wouldn't you :P
[21:48] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: Do you still use it, or is it a historical piece?
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> it's a sort of bit of history.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> I was given ti to see if I could get it going - it goes.
[21:48] <Khaytsus> I have a NeXT slab in the garage... No hard drive, no monitor.
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> it's an Altos system. has 4MB of RAM.
[21:49] <Khaytsus> They were booted over PXE in the day.. and the monitor was what powered the thing on/off
[21:49] <scorp1us> The 68k series micro controller was just fantastic chip. I worked on and ported code from that to a PPC which was also nice. And then gain on porting that to ARM.
[21:49] <Khaytsus> Although that's pretty easy to kludge, something like 200 ohm across a pin
[21:50] <hodapp> /r/retrobattlestations
[21:50] <Khaytsus> I still have my Amiga 2000 with 68040, 24m of ram, and 2x1GB hard drive in the garage. Haven't powered it on since about 2001.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> and if you want something really weird to program, well... https://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14-e.jpg
[21:51] <scorp1us> "RISC is going to change everything" - Angelina Jolie
[21:51] <scorp1us> ^RISC Architecture
[21:51] <Khaytsus> And my Amiga 500 is out there somewhere too.. as are two other peoples 500's... I used to do minor repairs and they never picked 'em up
[21:51] <ali1234> ARM is RISC, so, it did
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[21:52] <scorp1us> ali1234, but who would have thought AJ would have predicted that?
[21:52] <Khaytsus> scorp1us: Anyone with lips like that I'd trust about CPU arch.
[21:52] <scorp1us> https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/628bad89-267a-431c-88ce-cbd7f9e9f0e7
[21:52] <Khaytsus> scorp1us: I used to say "boobs like that" but................. well
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> my latest super dooper computer: https://unicorn.drogon.net/wolf.jpg :-)
[21:52] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: Is it a beowulf cluster of toaster ovens?
[21:53] <Habbie> there's two toaster ovens keeping the monitor up
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> worse...
[21:53] <Habbie> unsure about the rest of the picture
[21:53] <ali1234> scorp1us: i mean, that movie got plenty of stuff wrong. if you make enough predictions some will be right
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> right. supper time. back laterz.
[21:54] * willmore keeps pondering replacing the stepper drivers in an old floppy drive with modern stepper controllers......
[21:55] <scorp1us> ali1234, Are we trying to judge hollywood's accurate portrayal of computers? Because there are things that just should not be attempted
[21:55] <scorp1us> Like replacing stepper drivers in an old floppy drive with modern stepper controllers
[21:55] <willmore> Wasn't AJ a teen when she was in that movie?
[21:55] <ali1234> unpopular opinion: wargames is the most accurate protrayal of computers in a hollywood movie
[21:56] * willmore is with ali1234
[21:56] <hodapp> "The Wire" is the most accurate portrayal of computers in a TV show
[21:56] <scorp1us> She was 20
[21:56] <willmore> Plus I loved the casting.
[21:56] <willmore> scorp1us, oh, good. :)
[21:56] <scorp1us> hodapp, what about Mr Robot?
[21:56] <hodapp> most of their "hacking" was just people sitting around in crappy offices staring at screens and waiting for one slip up
[21:56] <hodapp> and then internal police politics destroying all of their work
[21:56] <scorp1us> hodapp, isn't that rather true?
[21:57] <hodapp> scorp1us: yeah... that's... why... I said accurate
[21:57] <ali1234> wargames is accurate because nobody really understands what the AI is doing, and various characters attribute sentience to it when there is no evidence for it, due to clouded emotion
[21:57] <akk> Another fave: "This is Unix! I know this!"
[21:57] <scorp1us> hodapp, oh I thought you were being critical
[21:58] <hodapp> scorp1us: no, The Wire is brilliant (for more than just the hacking portrayal)
[21:58] <willmore> akk, no!
[21:58] <scorp1us> hodapp, I guess I should watch that since I'm from Baltimore.
[21:59] <akk> But for accurate portrayals: there was a great scene in La Femme Nikita (the series) where Nikita has broken into the bad guys' place and Birkoff dictates a ps aux and kill sequence for her to type
[21:59] <scorp1us> Whenever I travel and I tell people I'm from "Baltimore" they always ask "Oh, you mean like in The Wire?"
[21:59] <hodapp> lol
[21:59] <akk> kill -9 even
[21:59] <hodapp> KILL DASH NINE, NO MORE CPU TIME!
[22:00] * hodapp flips akk's table over
[22:00] <Khaytsus> kill -NEIN
[22:00] * hodapp dances obscenely
[22:00] <willmore> -9 means "with fire"
[22:00] <Khaytsus> t(-_-t)
[22:00] <Khaytsus> I tend to star tiwth kill, then kill -12, then -9 if I must
[22:00] <scorp1us> Let's talk about Sandra Bullock and The Net!
[22:00] <Khaytsus> -9 can leave lingering stuff around
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[22:00] <Khaytsus> Sandra Bollocks... I don't like her as an actress, but my peen likes her
[22:01] <Khaytsus> so I'm torn
[22:01] <ali1234> lets keep it classy, this is a family friendly channel
[22:01] <scorp1us> Actually, I'm smitten over Natalie Portman who has published scientific papers.
[22:02] <ali1234> it's turning into 2002 slashdot in here
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[22:03] <Khaytsus> ali1234: No duplicate posts though
[22:03] <Khaytsus> So can't be dupdot
[22:03] <willmore> Not the portman wars again! I can't do it!
[22:03] <Khaytsus> Nerds like Portman because she was in Star Wars
[22:04] <scorp1us> "A Simple Method To Demonstrate the Enzymatic Production of Hydrogen from Sugar� was one paper
[22:04] <willmore> That seems wasteful. Now, do it from cellulose and I'm all ears.
[22:05] <hodapp> bjork > *
[22:05] <hodapp> except for patrick stewart
[22:05] <hodapp> NEXT
[22:05] <willmore> ali1234, and recommendations on how to put in the kernel and modules so as not to mess things up?
[22:05] <willmore> bjork? Big time. :)
[22:05] <ali1234> that's tricky
[22:05] <Khaytsus> Bjork is so weird.
[22:06] <Khaytsus> But that's her thing so that's cool
[22:06] <scorp1us> That's Iceland for you
[22:06] <Khaytsus> What else is there to do in Iceland
[22:06] <hodapp> Khaytsus: have you ever been to Reykjavik?
[22:06] <scorp1us> They're all related and they have the most promiscuous hookup culture. Seems eeew to me.
[22:07] <scorp1us> Tops world rankings in clamydia (sp?) over 10 years running.
[22:07] <ali1234> willmore: you have kernel and kernel7 that will go in boot, and then the /lib/modules/<version> directory. it won't touch anything else, so just back up those things
[22:07] <Khaytsus> hodapp: I have not
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[22:07] <hodapp> Khaytsus: check it out sometime, along with the rest of the island. Iceland is beautiful.
[22:07] <ali1234> also the device trees but you don't really need to worry about those, they shouldn't be different if you compiled the same version, and even if they are it is unlikely to affect anything
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[22:08] <Khaytsus> hodapp: I've flown over Iceland a few times I think maybe, not sure.. back and forth to Europe. But never stopped off along the way ;)
[22:08] <Habbie> iceland is a nice place to visit
[22:09] <willmore> ali1234, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I just need to do it over ssh. :) The instructions are for local, so I'll have to fudge it a bit.
[22:09] <ali1234> the instructions expect you to remove the SD card and put it in your dev machine
[22:09] <willmore> Sadly, I didn't think to recompile the same version.
[22:09] <ali1234> what version did you compile?
[22:09] <ali1234> hopefully the same branch at least
[22:09] <willmore> Whatever the head is.
[22:10] <ali1234> that should be 4.14 so it should be fairly close
[22:10] <willmore> Nope, it may be useless. I may just have to go back and redo all of this. At least I know how to do it. Just need to wait another half hour for it to run.
[22:10] <ali1234> since it is a different version, the modules will end up in a different directory
[22:10] <willmore> 4.4.34-v7+
[22:10] <ali1234> oh wow that's pretty old
[22:10] <willmore> Yep.
[22:10] <ali1234> make -j8
[22:10] <willmore> Not sure if something else major changed.
[22:11] <willmore> ali1234, dual core with HT, so I did j6
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[22:11] <ali1234> ah yeah. i forgot i always build with minimal modules so it only takes 5 minutes here
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[22:11] <gordonDrogon> https://www.extremetech.com/computing/261148-modern-computers-struggle-match-input-latency-apple-iie
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> that was the article I was thinking about earlier.
[22:12] <Khaytsus> See, this is why we should go back to the Apple II.
[22:12] <Khaytsus> Plus don't you miss the ergonomics of their keyboard?
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[22:13] <ali1234> willmore: a goodpractice is to "make oldconfig" on the config you extracted from the running kernel. it should be identical to the defconfig, if it's very different you will find out very soon when it asks you loads of questions
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[22:14] <willmore> ali1234, that's a great idea.
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[22:14] <willmore> Khaytsus, anything would be better than these modern chicklet keyboards.
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[22:14] <Khaytsus> willmore: ugh I dunno, most of those keyboards in that day were SO awful
[22:15] <willmore> Well, not a Timex/Sinclair ZX81 or Atari 400/800
[22:15] <Khaytsus> umm..... Don't recall the atari keyboard, used one a few times but didn't own
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[22:15] <Khaytsus> C64, Apple II... both terrible keyboards
[22:15] <Khaytsus> I could type rather fast on both.. b ut they were terrible
[22:15] <scorp1us> Chuckles > butterfly
[22:16] <scorp1us> * chicklet
[22:18] <hodapp> gordonDrogon: https://danluu.com/input-lag/ too!
[22:18] <willmore> Okay, rebuilding with a similar kernel version and the config from the target device. Did a make oldconfig then changed the HZ setting with menuconfig.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> ah, that might actually have been the original.
[22:19] <hodapp> oh, I thought yours was the same one I read years ago that was less about keyboards and more about the whole system
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[22:19] <hodapp> maybe I am thinking of a different one - one that tested similar operations (not keyboard-specific) on old Macs and things versus a new one
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[22:19] <gordonDrogon> re. keyboards - 40 years ago we didn't know better... so I was using the apple II, tty 33's, and other weird and wonderful "glass teletypes". I think we just adapted and got on with it.
[22:20] <ali1234> the biggest culprit making modern computers feel slow is those 50 msec animations on literally everything
[22:20] <willmore> ali1234, no kidding.
[22:20] <hodapp> ali1234: and yet somehow they still manage to suck at giving confirmation that you actually did something
[22:20] <willmore> Geez, give me an option to kill all animation...
[22:20] <hodapp> riddle me that one.
[22:20] <willmore> hodapp, no kidding.
[22:20] <ali1234> because the animations are always tied to input rather than the thing actually happening
[22:20] <willmore> When you sense an input, your first job it to tell the user that you heard them!
[22:21] <willmore> But, if you can do things in parallel, do that.
[22:21] <hodapp> ugh. yes.
[22:21] <Habbie> WebOS has input feedback because everything else is so slow
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[22:21] <hodapp> input feedback is especially important to me on a touchscreen
[22:21] <Habbie> yes
[22:21] <Khaytsus> WebOS... kek
[22:22] <Khaytsus> It had real chances of being what android became.. but Palm were idiots
[22:22] <hodapp> sad, since Palm did so much good design prior
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> hindsight is a wonderful thing...
[22:23] <Khaytsus> Well, they did in the early days, then they just thought they'd somehow keep the PDA market forever without innovation
[22:23] <Khaytsus> Then they realized that wasn't true, tried to catch up.. too little, too late
[22:23] <Khaytsus> And now WebOS is relegated to what, LG TVs?
[22:24] <hodapp> gordonDrogon: doesn't take much hindsight though to realize that maybe, maybe those in charge at Palm should have used the competition before trying to reinvent it
[22:24] <hodapp> as famously the CEO (I think) had never even used an iPhone before
[22:25] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: Nah, everyone who used Palm stuff all along knew Palm was dragging their knuckles and everyone was gaining momentum to pass them
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> I went down the Nokia communicator router for a very long time before - well - before they stopped, essentially. I had every one of them.
[22:25] <Khaytsus> and when it happened, Palm was too slow and lazy to catch back up
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> I liked my n900 and was sad when it died.
[22:25] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: they were neat devices for sure... They hit an evolutionary dead end I guess with android and ipoon
[22:26] <Khaytsus> I always wanted one but they were way too expensive
[22:26] <Khaytsus> I used an HP200LX and a DUN dial up modem for a long time as my on the go internet... mostly email, but..
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> not sure I can actually justify another smartphone right now. I'll get another year out of my N6 then decide...
[22:27] <scorp1us> My N9 was the best phone evar
[22:27] <hodapp> the story at Nokia - how they had actually *gained* more marketshare one year than the entire market of iOS + Android, and then Microsoft somehow installed a CEO and had him curb-stomp almost their entire product line - is interesting
[22:28] <scorp1us> He was already on the board of Nokia
[22:28] <Khaytsus> hodapp: And people say MS's EEE isn't a thing anymore
[22:28] <scorp1us> He got them a very cheap WINRT licensing deal
[22:28] <hodapp> they were ramping up for a bunch of stuff, with buying Qt and having a lot of mobile stuff planned
[22:28] <hodapp> that was basically all scrapped
[22:29] <Khaytsus> MS skullf's everything they touch
[22:29] <scorp1us> Yeah, meego was the bomb
[22:29] <Khaytsus> Which is why I won't use Windows, github, Swiftkey, etc
[22:29] <scorp1us> But they had no App Store presence
[22:29] <ali1234> hodapp: and he did the same thing to macromedia before that
[22:29] <scorp1us> Microsoft could make the App Store happen. But that whole metro UI was a fiasco
[22:29] <hodapp> ali1234: dcidn't know about that
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the 3310 comes in nice colours now ...
[22:30] <ali1234> hodapp: became CEO, sold the company to adobe
[22:30] <Khaytsus> scorp1us: IS a fiasco.. isn't windows 10 still that?
[22:32] <scorp1us> Khaytsus, yes, but it seems to have been toned down? I don't find recent windows as bad as back then. Still it's horrible platform top to bottom.
[22:32] <hodapp> but microsoft lets you run Win 10 on a Ras Pi! what else do you want?
[22:34] <scorp1us> hodapp, them not to dateline my every keystroke.
[22:34] <scorp1us> Data-mine
[22:34] <Khaytsus> scorp1us: yeah.. At work they wanted to give me a new laptop and not let me install Linux on it. I gave them crap until I at least was given a "firmware developer" laptop image which is unewbtoo.. prefer Fedora, but well, better than Windows
[22:34] <hodapp> freudian slip is more appropriate
[22:34] <hodapp> "Hi, scorp1us. Have a seat. We have here a list of some things you searched for last night."
[22:34] <scorp1us> Install linux mint in a VM :-)
[22:37] <scorp1us> Has windows fixed the "every program has its own updater" problem?
[22:37] <ali1234> yes, its called windows store
[22:37] <scorp1us> Java, adobe, office, steam, etc.
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[22:37] <hodapp> bundle DirectX installer with ALL THE THINGS \o/
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[22:41] <scorp1us> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVHcdgrqbHE
[22:42] <scorp1us> https://youtu.be/TVHcdgrqbHE?t=427 (to get to the meat)
[22:43] <Mezzmer> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360935339147132930/530138637300400128/IMG_0093.JPG
[22:43] <Mezzmer> add me ^
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[22:52] <yLwHaTT> ive used pidgin for discord its pretty nice
[22:53] <hodapp> one can use pidgin for discord?
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[22:55] <yLwHaTT> oh yes
[22:56] <yLwHaTT> 1656-#-ylwhatt:~> yaourt -Ss discord pidgin
[22:56] <yLwHaTT> aur/purple-discord-git v0.0.r480.9bad2c1-1 [installed: v0.0.r422.2ca7b3c-1] (11) (0.92)
[22:56] <yLwHaTT> A libpurple/Pidgin plugin for Discord.
[22:57] <hodapp> handy!
[22:57] <yLwHaTT> really fsckin handy
[22:58] <yLwHaTT> one of jupiter broadcastings shows uses discord for their on podcast chat
[22:59] <yLwHaTT> the facebook chat is worthy too on it
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[23:59] <yLwHaTT> is there a way to get omxplayer to just play audio without having to use the --alpha 0 flag?

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