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IRC Log for 2019-01-03

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[0:12] <MrPockets> Well hello!
[0:13] <MrPockets> Lets say, hypothetically, one jumps pins 3 to 4, instead of 5 to 6, trying to make a hardware power button.
[0:14] <MrPockets> 'er, 1 to 2, rather. Would that 5v into the 3.3v pin fry the pi?
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[0:24] <friendofafriend> MrPockets: Probably not, test with a multimeter.
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[0:31] <MrPockets> ehh
[0:31] <MrPockets> I think I fried it
[0:31] <MrPockets> I either jumped 1 to 2, or 3 to 4
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[0:32] <MrPockets> What would I look for with a multimeter?
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[0:34] <friendofafriend> You'd measure DC voltage between 3V3 and GND, then 5V and GND.
[0:36] <MrPockets> yeah, nottah.
[0:36] <MrPockets> 5v to gnd is 5v
[0:36] <friendofafriend> Cool, and from 3V3 to GND is nothing?
[0:37] <MrPockets> correct
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[0:37] <friendofafriend> And it's on?
[0:37] <MrPockets> Correct
[0:38] <friendofafriend> So, you've got another 3V3 pin, pin 17.
[0:38] <friendofafriend> https://myelectronicslab.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/raspbery-pi-3-gpio-pinout-40-pin-header-block-connector-1-1.png
[0:38] <friendofafriend> When you test that 3V3 pin, do you get 3.3V?
[0:39] <MrPockets> testing now
[0:41] <MrPockets> I get like 1.4v out of it?
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[0:44] <friendofafriend> So the Pi is still operating?
[0:44] <MrPockets> No. I get a red light when connecting power, but no activity light, nor video output
[0:44] <MrPockets> If I move the SD card to another pi, it boots and performs as expected
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[0:45] <friendofafriend> Yeah, sounds like the power supply chip burnt out. What model of Pi do you have?
[0:45] <MrPockets> 2 week only Pi3 model B+ :-\
[0:47] <Khaytsus> Same power supply for both?
[0:47] <friendofafriend> I suspect the part that actually burnt is the MXL7704. https://www.raspberrypi.org/app/uploads/2018/04/pi3bplus-psu-768x677.jpg
[0:47] <MrPockets> yeah
[0:47] <Khaytsus> One that works, done that doesn't
[0:47] <friendofafriend> And there are other people that have done the same thing. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=213882
[0:47] <Khaytsus> Oh, whoops
[0:48] <Khaytsus> yep
[0:48] <MrPockets> Welp
[0:48] * MrPockets feels like a horses ass.
[0:49] <friendofafriend> Replacement chip is like $5 on Mouser.
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[0:50] <MrPockets> Is it soldered to the board?
[0:50] <Khaytsus> Replacing a 64 pin chip might be beyond most people
[0:50] <MrPockets> yeah
[0:50] <Khaytsus> It's not hard as long as you're patient getting the old one off and have a narrow tip on an iron and know how to work with smt
[0:50] <friendofafriend> Ewwww, with an iron?
[0:50] <MrPockets> Beyond my capabilities
[0:51] <MrPockets> considering the replacement is $35
[0:51] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: Not everyone has a uv ststation
[0:51] <MrPockets> I just feel bad that I broke something that worked perfectly fine becuase I'm a god damned idiot.
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[0:51] <Khaytsus> MrPockets: btdt
[0:51] <MrPockets> ?
[0:51] <Khaytsus> been there done that
[0:52] <MrPockets> o
[0:52] <MrPockets> ya
[0:52] <MrPockets> Poor little thing was only like 3 weeks old, too :-\
[0:52] <Khaytsus> I've fried multiple things in my life because I'm a dumbass ;)
[0:52] <friendofafriend> My liver, for example.
[0:52] <Khaytsus> Just to be clear, I did not fry friendofafriend's liver
[0:52] <Khaytsus> I'm more of a brain person
[0:53] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: You'll be receiving a bill in the mail.
[0:53] <Khaytsus> And I have no fava beans
[0:53] <MrPockets> Replacing that chip is honestly humanly possibly?
[0:53] <friendofafriend> Heck yes.
[0:53] <Khaytsus> MrPockets: Sure. Easy if you have an air knife or a hot station
[0:53] <Khaytsus> With a clumsby $20 iron, not really
[0:54] <Khaytsus> I swear kids in Cambodia fix Android phones bga's with a lighter
[0:54] <friendofafriend> Right, with a cheap-o iron, it's not happening.
[0:54] <friendofafriend> You should see how they fix radios in prison, Khaytsus. ;)
[0:54] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: I've seen some prison radios. Pretty smart.
[0:55] <friendofafriend> They solder earbuds with wire wrapped around a pencil lead, and the ends shoved into the mains.
[0:59] <friendofafriend> Anyway, I'm not sure if it's the MXL7704-AQB-T or the MXL7704-XQB-T. They both link the same datasheet on Mouser, so many the difference is just in packaging.
[0:59] <friendofafriend> maybe**
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[1:26] <fas3r> Hello
[1:27] <friendofafriend> Hi there, fas3r.
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[1:33] <MrPockets> Any particular favorite places to buy a (cough, *replacement :-\ ) pi?
[1:34] <friendofafriend> Are you in the US?
[1:35] <fas3r> anyone using the RPLIDAR A3 ? Looking at some feedback when used outside, thanks
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[1:35] <MrPockets> friendofafriend, yes
[1:36] <MrPockets> I frequently travel to Chicago, so I may swing into a MicroCenter next week if thats the best option
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[1:36] <friendofafriend> Microcenter is probably the best option, indeed.
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[1:39] <friendofafriend> Arrow has the Raspi 3B+ with free overnight shipping for $34.49. https://www.arrow.com/en/products/raspberrypi3b/raspberry-pi-foundation
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[1:42] <Khaytsus> o_O
[1:43] <MrPockets> Well that sounds lovely
[1:43] <Khaytsus> I read $3.49
[1:44] <Khaytsus> Was disapoint.
[1:45] * MrPockets tempted to buy two
[1:45] <MrPockets> for, you know, when I blow one up.
[1:46] <MrPockets> Also, yeah. I'd stop at MicroCenter to avoid paying the $10 shipping, when in all reality between the gas to get off and back on the highway, and the half hour + it'd set me back in time, the shipping is probably worth $10
[1:47] <MrPockets> great hookup with that arrow link, friendofafriend.
[1:47] <MrPockets> thanks a ton
[1:49] <Khaytsus> I wish there was a microcenter nera me... sort of
[1:49] <Khaytsus> I'd spend money in there, so maybe not
[1:51] <MrPockets> lol yeah
[1:51] <MrPockets> I've actually never been, but a good friend crows about it. Figure i'd go in there and drop $100 or so on things I don't need but would find reasons to use.
[1:53] <friendofafriend> Super welcome, MrPockets. Ordered through Arrow, fastest shipped item I've ever received.
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[1:54] <friendofafriend> There are some in-store deals on Raspberry Pis at Microcenter, so it might be worth a look if you'll be near one.
[1:54] <friendofafriend> I think someone mentioned they had the 3B+ for $10 off, about a week ago.
[1:55] <friendofafriend> You can also get more than one Pi Zero at a time at Microcenter.
[1:56] <akk> It's definitely the cheapest place to get the 0 and 0w (I wish there was one near here).
[2:00] <MrPockets> What have ya'll found yourself using the 0 or 0w for?
[2:01] <MrPockets> I always got the impression it was a bit too light to be used for anything I had interest in
[2:02] <friendofafriend> I've got a Pi Zero connected to a USB port replicator, so it has Ethernet, serial, parallel port, and a sound card.
[2:03] <friendofafriend> It's streaming from a USB TV tuner to the LAN, and streaming a webcam with ffmpeg.
[2:03] <MrPockets> Hm nice
[2:04] <akk> I have a 0w upstairs with a temp/humidity sensor, reporting upstairs temperatures
[2:04] <MrPockets> I just found a TinyDisplay wrightup. Can see that being pretty neat.
[2:04] <akk> and one with a camera that I'm trying to use as a night crittercam outside, still working on that project
[2:05] <MrPockets> Have you see the IR camera on Addafruit?
[2:05] <MrPockets> Looked pretty neat. DIY FLIR goggles.
[2:05] <friendofafriend> akk: Got a Zero with a DHT22 attached, have you checked out AtmosPi?
[2:05] <akk> MrPockets: I'm using the "noir" Pi camera, with an IR light.
[2:05] <akk> friendofafriend: No, I haven't /me googles
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[2:06] <akk> friendofafriend: That actually sounds pretty similar to what I did.
[2:06] <friendofafriend> akk: Really delightful graphs of temp/humidity over time, haven't found anything classier.
[2:06] <akk> (but hey, reinventing wheels is always more fun :)
[2:07] <akk> I don't have graphs though I save the data so I could graph it now.
[2:07] <akk> My setup is actually a little more complicated because it also takes input from our weather station
[2:07] <akk> so I can show both indoor and outdoor weather
[2:07] <friendofafriend> I've got some ESP8266 and ESP32 boards with DHT22s attached, would like to integrate them. Is your weather station wireless?
[2:08] <akk> Mine is at https://github.com/akkana/watchweather
[2:08] <akk> The weather station is wireless but it has a complicated annoying api.
[2:09] <akk> There's no easy way to read from it directly, it has to report to the company and then I use their api to read it. :(
[2:09] <friendofafriend> What kind is it?
[2:09] <akk> (this would have been a no-go for me, but the husband wanted this particular weather station, it's supposed to have the best accuracy/price)
[2:09] <akk> Ambient Weather.
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[2:11] <friendofafriend> I see rtl_433 supports the "Ambient Weather Temperature Sensor", so you could pick it up with an RTL-SDR maybe.
[2:13] <Khaytsus> Yep, no reason not to try it
[2:13] <Khaytsus> I sniff my weather station all the time
[2:13] <friendofafriend> It worked for my Accurite sensor, so I would know if the deep freezer croaked. ;)
[2:13] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: It could reach outside of the freezer?
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[2:14] <friendofafriend> Didn't think it would work, but indeedly.
[2:15] <akk> Cool, I will def. look into that.
[2:15] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: interdasting
[2:15] <friendofafriend> Was also surprised the AA batteries worked at those temperatures.
[2:15] <Khaytsus> akk: They are pretty weak, so get the antenna away from your rfi generator (computer) and as clear line of sight as possible (ie: as few things between you and it)
[2:15] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: yeah, I use E92's in mine
[2:16] <Khaytsus> Because I use 'em in a camera flash and they have LOTS of life left in them when they can't cycle it anymore
[2:17] <Khaytsus> Started using 'em a long time ago because they cycled MUCH faster than nimh, weighed a third of their weight, and lasted forever. Sometimes could go a whole wedding on one set of 4.
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[2:18] <akk> There's a window where I could put a pi that's close to the weather station and far from computers.
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[2:18] <friendofafriend> Wow, nice operating temperature range on those E92s.
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[2:18] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: yeah, and they work at pretty exteme temps :)
[2:18] <friendofafriend> akk: My windowsill is like a Raspi showcase.
[2:19] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: OOPS! e91 :) AA
[2:19] <Khaytsus> Crap, L91
[2:20] <Khaytsus> I always screw that up
[2:20] <friendofafriend> Same operating temp range. :P
[2:20] <Khaytsus> heh
[2:20] <friendofafriend> Oh the *L*. Wow, down to -40C?!
[2:21] <Khaytsus> they're not the cheapest, by far.. but their weight alone was worth it doing weddings...
[2:21] <Khaytsus> I used a pair of them in a bluetooth mouse like two years after draining them dead in the flash :)
[2:22] <Khaytsus> and I got about two years out of the weather sensor on two of 'em...
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[2:22] <friendofafriend> Heh, I like the "personal grooming" chart on the datasheet. http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/l91.pdf
[2:23] <friendofafriend> You know they mean "marital aid".
[2:23] <Khaytsus> they run a um... muscle massager? fo ra long time?
[2:24] <friendofafriend> It's the gold standard of battery tests.
[2:24] <Khaytsus> It's all the buzz
[2:24] <_unreal_> any of you guys use 7" RPI lcd's?
[2:24] <_unreal_> touch or non?
[2:24] <friendofafriend> Attached by HDMI?
[2:24] <_unreal_> sure
[2:24] <akk> I'm confused about rtl_433: https://github.com/merbanan/rtl_433 looks like the software to use, but it mentions several different frequencies. What hardware should I be looking for?
[2:25] <Khaytsus> akk: Just run the program
[2:25] <friendofafriend> You would use that software with an RTL-SDR dongle.
[2:25] <Khaytsus> and heh yes
[2:26] <friendofafriend> People like Khaytsus use them to level wobbly desks.
[2:26] <akk> Thanks friendofafriend, looking ...
[2:26] <_unreal_> friendofafriend, are you talking to me? or akk
[2:26] <Khaytsus> I actually only own two. I keep saying I'm going to get another, but
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[2:29] <_unreal_> What is an RTL-SDR dongle
[2:29] <akk> I'm seeing about $15-25 on ebay. Anything in particular I should keep in mind when ordering? Any Linux compat issues with any of them?
[2:29] <_unreal_> every sight talks about them but does not say what it is or is for
[2:30] <Khaytsus> akk: You not have amazon prime?
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[2:30] <DanielTheFox> akk: find the model number and put it on google, and append "Linux" for it
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[2:30] <Khaytsus> _unreal_: It's generally used as a broadband receiver
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[2:30] <akk> Khaytsus: No, but I could order from amazon if that's better for some reason.
[2:30] <_unreal_> what kind of broadband
[2:31] <Khaytsus> akk: Not really, besides I don't trust most ebay sellers... heh.. look for a noeelec v3
[2:31] <d0rm0us3> broadband as in a wide rage of freqs
[2:31] <friendofafriend> Nooelec? ;)
[2:31] <Khaytsus> Yeah I always think just no. Huh, just shows intel chips, wtf ebay
[2:31] <_unreal_> ahhhhh....... thank you d0rm0us3
[2:32] <Khaytsus> ah, search for rtl sdr blog v3
[2:32] <_unreal_> I have a radio shark
[2:33] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: https://www.ebay.com/itm/RTL-SDR-Blog-V3-RTL2832-1PPM-TCXO-HF-BiasT-SMA-Software-Defined-Radio-Antenna-US/123357899193?hash=item1cb8b429b9:g:mtAAAOSw8JZbkzMn:rk:8:pf:0
[2:33] <Khaytsus> Look at that fake bullshit
[2:33] <Khaytsus> Why is there w wifi logo on that heh
[2:34] <_unreal_> https://www.qvc.com/Griffin-radio-SHARK-AMFM-Radio-with-Time-ShiftRecording.product.E140903.html
[2:34] <Khaytsus> qvc? kek
[2:34] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: That's super legit, the lady in the background has a smartwatch. And glasses.
[2:34] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: She's clearly smart. Must buy.
[2:35] <Khaytsus> https://www.ebay.com/itm/RTL-SDR-Blog-V3-RTL2832-1PPM-TCXO-HF-BiasT-SMA-Software-Defined-Radio-Antennas/283144516411?epid=1548295945&hash=item41ecba733b:g:yKcAAOSwL5BZwksO:rk:3:pf:0
[2:35] <Khaytsus> Is worth it, just to get some sma cables and shit
[2:35] <akk> I'm finding plenty of nooelect but they don't say version #. eg https://www.ebay.com/itm/NooElec-NESDR-Mini-USB-RTL-SDR-Receiver-Antenna-RTL2832U-R820T-Tuner-MCX/151850734679
[2:36] <akk> ah, thanks Khaytsus
[2:36] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: Probably the SMA stuff is worth it, if you don't already have a radio junk drawer.
[2:37] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: heh.. which I presume akk likely doesn't
[2:37] <friendofafriend> Ah, akk will have to clear one out. It'll be radio cruft everywhere, otherwise.
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[2:38] <akk> I don't, no. This would be my first SDR project.
[2:38] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: What have we done
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[2:38] <akk> Though I have a friend who's very into SDR and might have a junk drawer I could look at.
[2:39] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: Peddled addiction, and you know it.
[2:39] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: heh
[2:39] <akk> heh
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[2:40] <akk> just what I need, another addiction :)
[2:40] <friendofafriend> For a first SDR project, rtl_433 is pretty great.
[2:40] <d0rm0us3> Never enough addictions, only to many vices ;)
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[2:41] <friendofafriend> The program is light enough to run on a Pi. It's pretty simple to get going. I was picking up quite a few temperature sensors from my neighbors.
[2:42] <friendofafriend> _unreal_: That radioSHARK is pretty neat. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/media/radio/radio-shark.c
[2:43] <akk> It'll be a month or more to get that dongle from china, so I'll hold off exploring the software for a while.
[2:43] <_unreal_> ya works on win or linux
[2:43] <friendofafriend> I see! And acts like a USB sound device? Pretty neat.
[2:45] <_unreal_> its a RADIO as in car radio reciver
[2:45] <_unreal_> over usb
[2:45] <_unreal_> and the lines light up when its active
[2:46] <friendofafriend> Yep, seems to do AM and FM. I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for one at the thrift store.
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[2:47] <akk> So "RTL-SDR Blog" is a different brand, not nooelec, right? But it's also called v3, and works with linux?
[2:48] <friendofafriend> You got it. They all work with Linux.
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[2:49] <Khaytsus> rtl-sdr blog is.. I think.. a modified nooelec. It's the one to get if you're getting a generic inexpensive rtlsdr
[2:49] <Khaytsus> If you want HF reception, or adsb reception, you might want something different.. or to add to it anyway.
[2:49] <Khaytsus> If you need higher quality or transmitting, that's a very different story
[2:50] <akk> turns out that bundle is actually cheaper on amazon than ebay
[2:51] <akk> https://www.amazon.com/RTL-SDR-Blog-RTL2832U-Software-Telescopic/dp/B011HVUEME/ref=sr_1_3 looks like the same thing, right?
[2:52] <akk> haha, first customer question: "does this work with Rf signals?"
[2:53] <friendofafriend> "Almost caught fire, started smoking. Amazon refuses to refund." :P
[2:54] <friendofafriend> I wonder if it was smoking hard pack or soft.
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[3:03] <_unreal_> friendofafriend, good luck... you'd be better off spending $10 on line
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[3:05] <_unreal_> hum.... non on ebay... 2 on amazon but they want WAY to much for them....
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[3:07] <_unreal_> friendofafriend, looks like they where discontinued in 2005
[3:07] <_unreal_> and stopped selling on most online places in 2007
[3:07] <_unreal_> judging by posted dates
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[3:07] <friendofafriend> _unreal_: Stuff like that is mighty handy for when the 'net goes out. Maybe you could get yours streaming to your network through a Raspi!
[3:08] <_unreal_> maybe...
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[3:08] <_unreal_> friendofafriend, you never did answer my question about the 7" display
[3:09] <friendofafriend> Were you asking is it better to get touch or not?
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[3:12] <_unreal_> no
[3:12] <_unreal_> I was askinghow many people use larger RPI lcd's
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[3:12] <_unreal_> friendofafriend, I'm building a mold to build a really nice case/shell for RPI and rpi/LCD
[3:12] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EMYguINfdBS1wTeoze2DFCxf3hYviQs4
[3:13] <_unreal_> That is the splash mold..... the SHAPE I made that looks like the finished product
[3:13] <friendofafriend> Looks lovely, reminds me of the Chumby.
[3:13] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wuZiP8kxRJrXbkv14yfFfPOgip7zq1NI
[3:14] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=13g0MlxjrRHZR-Kp3TroGElq0WPCD33GA
[3:14] <_unreal_> photos of making the mold from the splash mold
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[3:15] <_unreal_> friendofafriend, the shell's will be 2 part. held together with screws.... very light friberglass
[3:15] <_unreal_> super strong
[3:15] <friendofafriend> Looks pretty neat-o.
[3:16] <friendofafriend> Is it for a boat or something?
[3:16] <_unreal_> boat?
[3:16] <_unreal_> could be....
[3:16] <_unreal_> its just a shell design I came up with for the RPI lcd or any lcd that fits
[3:16] <_unreal_> regardless of size
[3:17] <_unreal_> very rugged though.....
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[4:05] <plasmoduck> Hi, I need help please. I foolishly decided to overclock my pi 3 to 1300 in /boot/config.txt now I get a kernel panic during boot. How can I edit this file back to default without reflashing the card and loosing all my data?
[4:05] <{HD}> yea, edit it from a different computer.
[4:05] <{HD}> pull the sd card
[4:06] <plasmoduck> ah ok, I only have a windows 10 computer so how can edit it?
[4:06] <{HD}> That I am not sure of.
[4:07] <plasmoduck> It's ext4 yeah?
[4:07] <{HD}> isn't config in the boot directory? I think that is fat and can be see in windows.
[4:07] <{HD}> Stick it in and see
[4:08] <plasmoduck> Yes it is in the /boot directory
[4:08] <plasmoduck> A linux filesystem, fat? No!
[4:08] <plasmoduck> Yah, its telling my to format the disk before I can use it
[4:09] <{HD}> Well I add the "ssh" file to the boot drive before I boot my raspi to enable SSH and I used windows...How am I doing that?
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[4:10] <{HD}> There are more than one partition. I know it cannot mount the second one.
[4:12] <DanielTheFox> AFAIK, the config file is on a FAT16/FAT32 partition
[4:12] <DanielTheFox> and can be seamlessly edited from any Windows machine
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[4:14] <plasmoduck> YESSS I done it! :)
[4:14] <DanielTheFox> I thought you could hold any of the SHIFT keys on the keyboard during boot, all the way from before powering up to the loin prompt
[4:14] <plasmoduck> That was too easy :)
[4:14] <plasmoduck> I used this program
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[4:14] <plasmoduck> http://www.ext2fsd.com
[4:14] <DanielTheFox> so you could temporarily override overclock settings
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[4:16] <{HD}> DanielTheFox: That is news to me...Good to know tho
[4:17] <DanielTheFox> I'm not fully sure when the shift key check is done
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[4:23] <_unreal_> {HD}, all you need to do is download a copy of DSM damn small linux. burn it to a CD or do a bootable usb ok
[4:23] <_unreal_> boot an other computer off of it... edit the SD card and your done
[4:24] <_unreal_> OR you can write an other SD card if you have one.. boot the pi from a different SD card and use IF you have one. an SD card reader to edit your card
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[4:24] <{HD}> _unreal_: I appreaciate the advice...but...I am not the one that was having problems...
[4:24] <_unreal_> well do it anyways :)
[4:25] <_unreal_> plasmoduck, ^^^^^^^^ read what I just wrote
[4:25] <{HD}> my main is 4.19.4-arch1-1-ARCH
[4:25] <_unreal_> main?
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[4:25] <{HD}> main machine
[4:25] <{HD}> primary computer
[4:25] <_unreal_> ahh
[4:26] <_unreal_> ya this is a fedora system
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[4:26] <_unreal_> need to redo the damn thing though my windows partition crashed... well a windows update crashed it... and I use cad in windows mainly
[4:26] <_unreal_> (about all I use win for )
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[5:43] <DanielTheFox> :3
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[6:15] <lightblue> hi, I followed the picamera doc and wrote the same script as this part: https://picamera.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.13/recipes1.html#recording-to-a-network-stream.
[6:16] <lightblue> The script works fine, except obvious hiccups in the vlc player.
[6:17] <lightblue> I was wondering if it is possible to send the h264 encoded scream via tcp socket to my own tkinter window, how should I do that?
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[6:20] <lightblue> My only idea is that I can keep capturing individual frames with the picamera's capture() method and send the frames one by one through a tcp socket. And on the client side I can recv() each frame and use a tkinter canvas widget to display them one by one.
[6:20] <lightblue> I have done that actually, but now I'm wondering if it is possible for a recording stream to be sent, rather than individual frames.
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[7:58] <lXndr> heyho. i dont know why but everytime i upgrade my raspbian, something inside the machine broke. maybe its because i upgrade less than once per month..
[7:58] <lXndr> would a script that do this automaticly every day fix that? or what did i wrong i searched for many instructions but all of them are same or make no differ
[7:59] <lXndr> now im reinstall raspbian again and hope this will not happen again
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[8:12] <lightblue> lXndr, you can try finding the reason why apt upgrade broke first by checking out apt log at /var/log/apt/term.log(or term.log.x.gz for historical reference).
[8:13] <lightblue> lXndr, find what package is breaking apt upgrade
[8:13] <lXndr> i take a look again but i never found smth before. seems everything went correct
[8:14] <lXndr> but ftp dont work after that, webadmin, apache feels strange now, vnc has error with secure connection
[8:14] <lightblue> lXndr, btw, why would you upgrade raspbian once a month?
[8:14] <lXndr> last upgrade i did... i think 2 months before
[8:14] <lXndr> hes not hanging on the internet so i dont feel to need this. like never change a running system (thats why)
[8:15] <lightblue> for me personally it's not necessary to upgrade all my packages so often.
[8:15] <lXndr> but i plan to setup owncloud and release it to the internet, so i feel not good use an outdated operating system
[8:16] <lXndr> yeah, but i think safe-upgrade is nessecary
[8:16] <lXndr> what do you recoomend?
[8:17] <lXndr> necessary* recommend* first thinking then enter ;)
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[8:23] <lightblue> lXndr, usually I would keep my os as minimum as possible in terms of packages installed and ports opened. also make sure traffic inbound and outbound through encrypted connections.
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[8:26] <lightblue> lXndr, I had one owncloud server as my home LAN storage before, remember I only needed port 22, 443, 80, and one more for iscsi. It was some time ago I can't remember clearly.
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[8:30] <lXndr> but is it safe to use a owncloud version thats not up-to-date and access it from the internet?
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[8:31] <immibis> also what broke?
[8:31] <linuxmint> Hi, anyone run pfSense on the latest rapi?
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[8:34] <lXndr> feels like nearly everything, immibis. ftp dont work anymore, all vnc viewer tells me, unable to etablish a secure connection, webadmin broke, apache feel strange, laggy and sometimes site is not shown correctly
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[8:50] <lXndr> dont know.. i did not test anymore. on the way to reinstall raspbian
[8:50] <lXndr> any tipps? maybe prevent such errors?
[8:51] <lXndr> maybe write a script that safe-upgrade every day and dist-upgrade once per week? does it make sense?
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[8:57] <finalbeta> lightblue> for me personally it's not necessary to upgrade all my packages so often. << Don't you need to keep it up to date for security? (not saying we are such a target, but still)
[8:57] <finalbeta> lXndr, check the sd card, it may be on it's way out.
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[9:01] <lXndr> is the windows build in chkdsk enough or is there anything better tool?
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[9:06] <lXndr> but i think i outsourced (as possible) all data transfer to my local networkHDD so the SD card should have been spared
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[9:17] <lightblue> finalbeta, well yes it's good practice to make your os up to date for security reasons. But most packages don't undergo drastic changes within a few months as debian offer packages from "stable" upstreams. I would personally do a upgrade every 6 months or even longer.
[9:22] <lightblue> besides, you can always upgrade a single package if there's a vulnerability found in it by "apt install --only-upgrade packageName"
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[9:24] <lightblue> it's only my opinion and practice. I work as a software developer not a professional system administrator. So correct me if I'm wrong.
[9:25] <immibis> i suspect that professional system administrator practice is that you've been hacked if you haven't updated a couple hours after a major vulnerability is announced
[9:25] <immibis> but I'm not one either.
[9:26] <finalbeta> I use raspberry PI's for monitoring of different sites, I run full upgrades once a month. (But my use case is mine, I'm just sharing. I'm always interested in hearing other opinions)
[9:29] <lXndr> but six months are a long time to search and find vulnerable server with bots and hack them
[9:30] <lXndr> i dont even know how to find out when there are security and important updates released
[9:30] <Habbie> there's a debian security mailing list
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[9:37] <lXndr> ok, i thank you all for your help! :)
[9:37] <lightblue> no system is absolutely secure. That's why in my case I would try to keep my os to the minimum and open as less ports as possible.
[9:38] <lXndr> thats very wise and this is what i will try to do too
[9:38] <finalbeta> Ofcourse, and maybe even change the default password for ssh.
[9:38] <finalbeta> :)
[9:39] <lXndr> default password... are there ppl outside who dont change that? i even change my simpin and pin for my cashcard
[9:39] <lightblue> even so ssh has had major vulnerabilities, in which case ssh related packaged should be updated immediately
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[9:46] * Habbie installs unattended-upgrades
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[9:49] <lXndr> The purpose of unattended-upgrades is to keep the computer current with the latest security (and other) updates automatically. https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
[9:49] <lXndr> sounds good
[9:53] <finalbeta> Yep, it works fine. (Now using my own script, but it works)
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[9:57] <meiamsome> It sounds fine, until it breaks your stuff without warning
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[9:59] <lXndr> but its a stable debian, more stable you cant get, all updates are well checked and tested. why does it happen? and how to prevent that updating your system may it break? :/
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[10:03] <meiamsome> I agree that it is very unlikely that it would actually break anything, but you should always be aware that it could happen...
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[10:09] <Habbie> most systems that 'break on every upgrade' also 'break on every reboot'
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> glad I don't run those systems.
[10:10] <Habbie> same :)
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[10:12] <lXndr> what do you think how accurate apt-get is checking that no package will be removed that is used by other software?
[10:12] <Habbie> when used correctly? 100%
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[10:14] <lXndr> what is use correctly? sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade sudo makemeasandwich what can go wrong?
[10:14] <lXndr> sometimes it asks for Y or N maybe there smth could go wrong
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[10:18] <gordonDrogon> why dist-upgradE?
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> that's a very different use-case.
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[10:23] <lXndr> isnt it the full-upgrade just for raspbian?
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> debian would traditionally never use dist-upgrade during the entire life of a distribution version. Only if going from e.g. jessie to stretch would you ever use dist-upgrade.
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> however I think the Pi foundation have regarded this as somewhat flexible to use to upgrade/totally change things like the desktop and other very Pi specific stuff.
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[17:47] <tristero> I use dist-upgrade all the time to keep my system up-to-date, not just on release changes. It will remove packages as necessary to do the update, whereas plain upgrade will never remove packages (but leave some un-upgraded instead)
[17:48] <tristero> ^ on Debian as well as Raspbian
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[18:08] <{HD}> are there alternatives to 'fork and exec' for wanting to blink an led while rasbistill is actively taking picture?
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> you could use pthreads in your program.
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[18:14] <{HD}> reading the man page now. Seems similarish
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> sure - but you don't fork/exec a new program. you essentially say: Take the function and execute it concurrently with my main program.
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> so it shares the same global variables.
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[18:19] <Khaytsus> You could even do dumb shit like a seprate script that sees if your recording program is running, and if so, blink
[18:19] <Khaytsus> Not that I do dumb shit most of the time instead of fancy things
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[18:19] <Khaytsus> NO sir
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[18:20] <{HD}> Sounds cool. The man page is a little more difficult to understand then the fork and exec man pages. I will work up a test and see what happenes.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> if you 're using wiringPi then it has some dumbed-down helpers for it.
[18:20] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: I am using wiringPi! Its great!
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[18:21] <{HD}> Oh yea, the "Priority, Interrupts and Threads"
[18:21] <{HD}> I will give it a read.
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> Khaytsus, channel rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[18:23] <Khaytsus> That's bana*as
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> it's the rules and they've been pointed out to you several times now.
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[18:29] <Khaytsus> I was joking, based on the example inthe document. But yes, my bad. I wouldn't consider that word a big deal but fine.
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[18:55] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: PI_THREAD (myShutter) { system(raspistill) }
[18:55] <{HD}> is that it?
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> no.
[19:02] <{HD}> Well besides starting it later
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> let me check. it's a few years since I used it.
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/blink-thread.c
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> is an example.
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[19:06] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: Thanks! Seems pretty easy...
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> it is - then it all goes wrong.
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> you need to define exactly what you want to do - you said blink an led while running raspistill - so I interpreted that as "put the blink code in a thread", but here you put the raspistill command in a thread.
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> that means you'd need to re-start the thread every time.
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> so I'd put blink in the thread, have it wait on a semaphore, then start blinking and poll for another semaphore, then stop and in the main code, set the semaphore, call raspistill, then set the 2nd semaphore and carry on.
[19:12] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: Well, what I want is the led to blink while the raspistill process is active. Kind of like a 'wait' led or 'thinking'...
[19:13] <{HD}> anyway I think I can piece something together with this. Especially if I can check to see if the previous thread is still running.
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[19:14] <{HD}> the return value of piThreadCreate is the pid of the process...right?
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> no, it's 0 or an error number.
[19:16] <{HD}> oh, thats not as helpful
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> like I said earlier: dumbed-down.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> for the hard-of-coding.
[19:17] <{HD}> but I could just use a var isBusy = true; raspistill; isBusy = false;
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:17] <{HD}> if isBusy blink
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> declare it volatile
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> and make it global.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> or, as I suggested, run raspistill in the main code, run blink as a thread and use a semaphore (or global variable) to start/stop the blink process.
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> so blink becomes: { for (;;) { while (doBlink) { ledOn ; delay ; ledOff; delay} ; delay (1) } ;
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> and doBlink is volatile int doBlink = 0 ;
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> then doBlink = 1 ; raspistill ; doBlink = 0 ;
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> in a pseudocode sort of way.
[19:21] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: I am proficient in pseudocode
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[19:22] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: Thanks, I will run some tests. I think haveing raspistill as a thread will be good too since the program will be doing other things then just blinking and taking pictures...but, I will try a few test threads first.
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> you will end up with an unmanagable mess if you start creating threads all over the place. (mark my words, etc.)
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[19:24] <{HD}> haha I can imagine that
[19:25] <{HD}> if the thread is not a loop should I return0 or exit(0) or anthing?
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[19:27] <gordonDrogon> no idea. check the man page for pthread_create
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> and read the source code: piThreadCreate is only 2 lines long.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=blob;f=wiringPi/piThread.c
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[19:30] <Habbie> exit(0) will exit the whole program
[19:30] <{HD}> whoops, don't want that
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[20:00] <fas3r> Hello
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[20:01] <fas3r> I'm interrested in the module compute 3 version, anyone tested it with opencv or conda ?
[20:01] <Habbie> fas3r, i would assume those things run the same way they do on a pi3
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[20:03] <fas3r> Habbie: true, but as it have more compute, I was wondering about benchmark or feedback, I should've been more clear, sorry
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[20:03] <Habbie> more compute?
[20:03] <Habbie> what do you mean?
[20:04] <fas3r> I use the pi zero now
[20:04] <Habbie> ok, so you're asking about opencv/conda performance on the model 3
[20:04] <fas3r> hoo right I see what you mean
[20:04] <fas3r> my bad then :D
[20:04] <Habbie> ok!
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[20:04] <Habbie> huh, i did not know about the 3 lite
[20:04] <Habbie> doesn't matter for this
[20:05] <fas3r> it's a single core ( if you mean the pi zero )
[20:06] <Habbie> yes, the zero is single core
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, 3 lite? ie. the 3A+ ?
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[20:16] <fas3r> I'm interested in using 5 compute module 3 with one RPLIDAR A3 and using a hd cam to do face recognition. It seems that's possible to do that with conda, it should be more scalable than with opencv.
[20:17] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, CM 3 lite
[20:17] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, only difference appears to be no eMMC
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> oh right.
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[20:31] <{HD}> "so I'm aborting your program before it crashes anyway" excellent error message
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[20:36] <Khaytsus> {HD}: I worked with an enterprise software package that would just output ERR:# and the # was some random internal number they had defined in a header file somewhere I think that I had to beg to get a listing of..
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> {HD}, good old wiringPi :)
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> call wiringPiSetup first.
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> or setupGpio or setupBoard ..
[20:37] <pwillard> https://i.imgur.com/NbgWlko.jpg
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> knotted.
[20:37] <{HD}> gordonDrogon: yea, I got it fixed now. I just liked the error.
[20:37] <{HD}> pwillard: Why string?
[20:38] <dreamon> hello. is it possible to switch hdmi monitor on/off by rpi?
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[20:39] <pwillard> Threads Strings Loops... all related... soon... you have a nice knitted hat!
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[20:40] <{HD}> pwillard: nice
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> if you think that's a good error message, you should see the source code ...
[20:41] <pwillard> dreamon "tvservice -o" might work
[20:43] <dreamon> pwillard, can I turn it on again?
[20:44] <pwillard> tvservice --preferred but you might need to reboot...
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[20:46] <dreamon> reboot is not what I want to do. If event happens. turn on. and 5min later turn off again.
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[20:47] <pwillard> well, I googled this... maybe it explains what you can do. https://www.screenly.io/blog/2017/07/02/how-to-automatically-turn-off-and-on-your-monitor-from-your-raspberry-pi/
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[20:47] <dreamon> think screensaver does the same trick.
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[20:48] <akk> xset has some settings like that
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[21:33] <dreamon> akk, pwillard this does the trick → sudo vcgencmd display_power 0
[21:33] <dreamon> sudo vcgencmd display_power 1
[21:34] <pwillard> good... I thought that article might have some better guidance.
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[21:59] <Tenkawa> so anyone found any fun new projects with the 3a+ yet?
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[22:01] <Tenkawa> I think I found one but I need to know if anyone has come across a good motion sensor thats compatible
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[22:04] <Khaytsus> Tenkawa: Compatible? Any i2c etc would work. anything on adafruit
[22:05] <Tenkawa> ok wasnt sure if adafruit had any (hadnnt looked yet)
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[22:05] <Habbie> and most things not on adafruit can be made to work too
[22:05] <Tenkawa> hey Habbie
[22:05] <Habbie> hey Tenkawa :)
[22:06] <Khaytsus> Yep. adafruit's prices aren't the best
[22:06] <Khaytsus> But their guides are nice
[22:06] <Tenkawa> yeah I'm looking to make something interact with my cats
[22:06] <Habbie> i don't mind paying a bit extra for carefully selected components and guides to go with them, indeed
[22:06] <Habbie> and easier returns, i suppose
[22:07] <Tenkawa> my local microcenter is good for that
[22:07] <Habbie> they stock adafruit?
[22:07] <Tenkawa> a lot
[22:07] <Habbie> nice
[22:07] <Tenkawa> indeed
[22:07] <Habbie> i haven't bought from adafruit but i do sometimes buy adafruit from 'local' shops
[22:07] <Tenkawa> c4labs... etc
[22:07] <Habbie> the price difference compared to aliexpress can be quite big
[22:07] <Tenkawa> all the well known names
[22:07] <Habbie> but getting things in one day also has its attraction
[22:09] <Tenkawa> yeah its been nice to be able to get all my parts locally
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[23:38] <rabbitnightmare> I just got a kano laptop kit, the 229 dollar one for 25 bucks on CL
[23:39] <Habbie> cool
[23:39] <Habbie> 229 always seemed a bit steep to me
[23:39] <Habbie> i mean, i sure the price is sensible
[23:39] <Habbie> but for 229+a pi i can buy a laptop that's already put together that performs better
[23:39] <rabbitnightmare> ikr I sold the raspberry pi 3 for 25 bucks right after because I have a 3b+ so I got it free
[23:40] <Habbie> haha
[23:40] <Khaytsus> Kano laptop... $20 bt keyboard, $60 screen, and a pi.
[23:40] <Khaytsus> k
[23:40] <rabbitnightmare> Habbie: I wouldnt pay 230 for it
[23:40] <rabbitnightmare> its so fiddly
[23:40] <Habbie> ah
[23:40] <rabbitnightmare> and doesnt fold like a laptop
[23:40] <rabbitnightmare> the keyboard is this cheap wireless thing
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[23:40] <rabbitnightmare> its pretty bright orange
[23:40] <binaryhermit> battery?
[23:40] <rabbitnightmare> yes
[23:40] <Khaytsus> Sorry, $15 charger
[23:40] <rabbitnightmare> charging it because its dead
[23:41] <rabbitnightmare> it came with that too
[23:41] <Khaytsus> erm, portable battery
[23:41] <rabbitnightmare> everything
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[23:41] <binaryhermit> Just saying, that's an additional cost, and a pointing device and case
[23:41] <Khaytsus> So um. Call it $130
[23:41] <binaryhermit> but still, niot $229
[23:41] <rabbitnightmare> my friend wanted an extra pi to throw in one of those 1up arcade machines to play roms on it
[23:41] <rabbitnightmare> on their website its $229
[23:42] <binaryhermit> $180 on amazon, but 2.9* reviews
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[23:43] <binaryhermit> also, a speaker
[23:43] <rabbitnightmare> yes came with that
[23:43] <rabbitnightmare> the speaker sucks
[23:43] <rabbitnightmare> not gunna lie
[23:44] <rabbitnightmare> the button to power it on is very weak
[23:44] <rabbitnightmare> I broke it
[23:44] <rabbitnightmare> screen resolution is very good though
[23:44] <rabbitnightmare> I think its 1080 though I could be wrong
[23:44] <binaryhermit> also, if it's connected to the headphone jack, the audio out on the pi is awful from what I've hear
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[23:45] <binaryhermit> from the size, I'd guess 10.1" 1280x800
[23:45] <rabbitnightmare> I have the 3b+ with the better audio chip
[23:45] <binaryhermit> like the asus chromebook flip c100pa or whatever
[23:45] <rabbitnightmare> ah
[23:46] <rabbitnightmare> omg it comes with STICK3RZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^_^
[23:46] <rabbitnightmare> its really lame lmao
[23:47] <rabbitnightmare> I like it, for the price I got it for
[23:47] <rabbitnightmare> they have these in Africa? I doubt it would survive the dirt...
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[23:49] <Khaytsus> the 3b+ has better audio?
[23:49] <rabbitnightmare> yes
[23:49] <Khaytsus> How so?
[23:50] <Khaytsus> If you want non-daft audio from a pi, you get a usb dac.. they can be $5 or $100; $5 is fine for most things unless you're listening to music via decent headphones or something.
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[23:53] <rabbitnightmare> https://volumio.org/raspberry-pi-3-b-plus-audio-review/
[23:53] <rabbitnightmare> it is noticably better
[23:53] <rabbitnightmare> you're not going to get flac quality music from it
[23:54] <Khaytsus> rabbitnightmare: Where does it say that the audio has changed there
[23:55] <BurtyB> rabbitnightmare, looks like that's comparing "USB audio"
[23:55] <rabbitnightmare> ah
[23:55] <BurtyB> from the Pi3/Pi3+ schematics there's no difference in the audio
[23:55] <rabbitnightmare> might have been the 2b that the sound sucked on
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