#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-01-06

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[1:59] <gobostone> what's the state of bluetooth/wifi coexistence
[1:59] <gobostone> ?
[2:00] <gobostone> I just spent forever getting my rpi setup as a a2dp sink and now I can't have wifi on at the same time....
[2:00] <gobostone> ... lame
[2:00] <gobostone> if I have the wifi on the bluetooth/pulseaudio sink goes haywire
[2:01] <gobostone> using a pizero w, so adding a bluetooth dongle isn't exactly obvious
[2:04] <yLwHaTT> it doesnt do that for me
[2:04] <yLwHaTT> the rpi3b is my only computer
[2:05] <yLwHaTT> got a bluetooth speaker and connected to my phones wifi
[2:06] <yLwHaTT> im also using archlinux might be a factor
[2:06] <gobostone> yLwHaTT: I'm on arch too
[2:06] <gobostone> bluez 4.49 and pulseaudio
[2:06] <yLwHaTT> yup
[2:07] <gobostone> I get a ton of buffer underruns when I try to straem anything to the little bugger
[2:07] <yLwHaTT> weird
[2:07] <gobostone> yLwHaTT: could you share your daemon.conf ?
[2:07] <gobostone> and default.ca/system.ca
[2:07] <yLwHaTT> im a lamo
[2:08] <yLwHaTT> i have no idea where those things are
[2:08] <gobostone> oh?
[2:08] <yLwHaTT> yeah i used PINN to install arch
[2:08] <gobostone> hahahaha that's almost impressive if you got all the bluetooth stuff working
[2:08] <gobostone> ah
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[2:09] <yLwHaTT> i use omxplayer with the flag -o alsa
[2:09] <yLwHaTT> if that helps
[2:10] <yLwHaTT> ive been using an aux cord
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[2:10] <yLwHaTT> but i just connected to the thing via bluetooth
[2:10] <yLwHaTT> works great
[2:10] * yLwHaTT going back to aux
[2:12] <yLwHaTT> works great
[2:13] <yLwHaTT> on my end
[2:13] <yLwHaTT> got pidgin and transmission running
[2:13] <yLwHaTT> while watching omxplayer
[2:13] <yLwHaTT> conky just a pumpin away
[2:13] <yLwHaTT> all on xfce4
[2:14] <yLwHaTT> im only using the aux cause blueman uses alot of memory
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[2:18] <jhanarato> Good morning!
[2:19] <jhanarato> I read in one of the MagPi issues that an old BBC series had been rereleased. Does anyone remember the name?
[2:19] <yLwHaTT> not a clue
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[2:21] <yLwHaTT> gobostone: theres a channel #archlinux-arm might help
[2:24] <jhanarato> Hmm... I think I found it: https://computer-literacy-project.pilots.bbcconnectedstudio.co.uk/
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[2:36] <jhanarato> OK Bye!
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[2:37] <hodapp> hmmm. picamera demosaicing is pretty slow
[2:38] <hodapp> I guess I could use PiRGBArray and just try to lock down the settings I'm using... not like the lower 2 bits of the raw 10-bit sensor values are really good for much
[2:39] <hodapp> unless I'm going to do a lot of averaging to cancel the noise out... and if I've the time/space to do a lot of averaging, I may as well be doing it on bracketed images, and getting back the little dynamic range I lost by chopping off the lower 2 bits, and a whole lot more
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[5:51] <PhotoJim> EvilDMP: that explains everything. Probably your WiFi is on a channel that the default (USA?) config isn't allowed to use
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[7:52] <CandySweets> G'day all!
[7:52] <CandySweets> I just found that there are 400GB SD cards on amazon.
[7:53] <Syliss> lol
[7:54] <CandySweets> Was that directed at me?
[7:56] <CandySweets> With 400GB I probably could store the logs of a full month on a raspberry.
[7:57] <CandySweets> That'd be awesome.
[7:59] <Syliss> as long as it doesnt currupt
[8:01] <CandySweets> Yes. I wondered if anyone here has stories to tell about these cards.
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[8:28] <aethersis> hello, I'm looking for estabilishing a possibly lowest latency stream (doesn't need to be HD) from raspberry pi to PC over the internet. Is this channel a good place to ask this question?
[8:30] <NorthwestVegan> you could probably use ffmpeg and cvlc
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[8:39] <CandySweets> aethersis: If you stream across the internet there's only that much you can do to achieve "low latency".
[8:40] <CandySweets> aethersis: What do you want to stream?
[8:40] <aethersis> video
[8:40] <aethersis> from the raspberry pi CSI camera
[8:41] <CandySweets> And it doesn't work as expected?
[8:43] <CandySweets> Have you already established a connection between the PC and the pi?
[8:46] <aethersis> yes
[8:47] <aethersis> I have very little knowledge about gstreamer so basically I know one option is to do it via rtsp and vlc (easier on the frontend) or via custom gstreamer stream (more fiddling with settings, frontend needs gstreamer)
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[8:47] <aethersis> the second method should also have lower latency
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[8:56] <CandySweets> Well, to test a network connection I usually use ping and iperf. But you said you already could connect to the pi. So, I'm not sure how to help you here, aethersis
[8:56] <CandySweets> People also use "motion" to stream from their cams.
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[9:00] <CandySweets> I'm not sure if that link is of any help to you: https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-webcam-server/
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[9:04] <aethersis> no, like I said, it's a CSI camera which makes it lower latency than USB and I need it to be near-realtime
[9:05] <CandySweets> Yeah, then I can't help.
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[9:12] <aethersis> thanks anyways :)
[9:14] <CandySweets> Sure thing.
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[10:15] <ali1234> aethersis: use gstreamer to send an rtsp stream. latency is about 0.2 seconds. nothing else can get close, especially not vlc
[10:16] <ali1234> use gst-rpicamsrc to get video from the camera
[10:16] <ali1234> don't use vlc on either the front end or backend, it will add about 5 seconds of buffering wherever you use it
[10:16] <aethersis> can you give me some pipeline example or something? Been trying for good few hours now
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[10:19] <ali1234> https://www.stev.org/post/raspberrypisimplertspserver
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[13:02] <markit> hi, I want to use rpi to control some releays AND act as a music player with web interface. So far I find a lot of project that seem not to be installable as a package, but you have to flash the SD!
[13:02] <markit> but if I use the SD of a music player I miss a lot of things that I need to relay control, and if I flash the SD for relay control, I've no music player :(
[13:03] <markit> do you know any "audio media center" with web interface (so I can control it through cell phone or a different pc) that is easy to install in stock raspbian lite?
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> 1. install standard Raspbian.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> 2. write your own code.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> 3. ...
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> 4. profit.
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[13:04] <markit> gordonDrogon: very funny
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> possibly, but you know, the Pi is an educational tool. Use it as a learning experience.
[13:06] <markit> oh, I did not know that, I thought was a computer
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> or, if you want something "off the shelf", you always have the option of (a) asking the community to do it for you, or (b) pay someone to do it for you (and of-course (c) DIY).
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[13:06] <markit> gordonDrogon: maybe you did not understood my question, never mind, someone else could answer
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> I understand perfectly, however, you want something that doesn't currently exist.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> not as a single package, anyway.
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[13:10] <Habbie> i bet some of those full images actually contain raspbian
[13:10] <Habbie> which means you can do your other things on it
[13:11] <Habbie> it also means the images are silly
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> I got requests to make a wiringPi specific image way back when Pi was new. I rejected that idea then and stated why. Seems people don't learn.
[13:12] <Habbie> yes
[13:12] <Habbie> i understand the appeal, but i also would have rejected it
[13:12] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Put wiringpi in an image without raspbian ;)
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, the bare-metal people don't like wiringPi.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> it's something I've looked into.
[13:13] <Lartza> Yeah probably not, but then you have an image for the people and they can just say "but... I wanted Raspbian" :D
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> however, launching RTB Basic in a bare-metal system is also something I've looked into, so who knows...
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[13:18] <Habbie> how bare are we talking? linux kernel or not?
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> not.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> the PiTube project has re-kindled my interest in this stuff, however I also have 1e6+1 other things to do... )-:
[13:20] <ShorTie> ah, so you'll get to it next week
[13:20] * ShorTie snickers
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> sure next week, but which year?
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> markit, find/google/search/whatever for a package that runs under Raspbian that does the web+music side of things first. The GPIO control is much easier and you can bolt that in afterwards.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> or even write it - getting some php running under apache to call aplay (or whatever the current command-line music player is these days) isn't that hard.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> or bash, python, basic,C, bcpl - whatever your prefered coding language is.
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[13:27] <markit> gordonDrogon: GPIO control is easy, but there are also projects that could do a lot of job that I need without me programming. Also I've found "raspina based" web+music that remove a lot of "unecessary things" and "fine tune the OS for audio" that I fear could interfere with GPIO
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[13:27] <markit> I'm used to debian with "add this package to do this" and not "flash the SD to do this", single goal/usage mentality
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[13:28] <markit> in any case I will follow your suggestion and try :)
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> it's unlikely gpio relay control will interfere with audio.
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[13:44] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: you should port basic to vc4, that will really confuse everyone
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> and me!
[13:51] <Lartza> All the merrier
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> RTB relies on a good C library, especially malloc(). It also uses SDL for graphics, but the reality is that it just uses that to get a pointer into a pixel buffer that I then poke pixels at.
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> so the only other big thing is file-handling - drop that and it becomes relatively easy to port...
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> This is something I have been looking at recently, although not porting it to a Pi device, but to an 8 (and 16) bit micro...
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> and re-writing it in bcpl.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> but that's tomorrow. (year not specified)
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[14:15] <ali1234> i'm now seriously looking into what it would take to port micropython
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[14:15] <ali1234> having an interactive python interpreter would i think greatly aid reverse engineering efforts
[14:15] <Habbie> port micropython to bare pi?
[14:15] <ali1234> to bare VC4, yes
[14:16] <Habbie> oh vc4
[14:16] <Habbie> not the arm
[14:17] <ali1234> yeah. the ARM is not a very interesting target for it, it's probably already possible anyway
[14:17] <Habbie> i be
[14:17] <Habbie> t
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[14:56] <szy_mat> Hello everybody! I am using GPCLK0 output for clocking external microcontroller (oscillator divided by 2, so 9,6MHz). Can I assume that ticks of that clock are synchronized with the main CPU's clock?
[14:59] <szy_mat> or should I use PLLC, PLLB or HDMI auxillary clock as the base to ensure that?
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[15:01] <Habbie> szy_mat, why do you care about synchronising with the main CPU?
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[15:15] <dreamon> searching a way to send information from different rpi's to one rpi's that should react. all devices are in the same local network
[15:16] <dreamon> what would be a good protocol to use. Im not sending much data.. only a 1line massage
[15:16] <Habbie> dreamon, mqtt
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[15:19] <szy_mat> @Habbie I am doing near-real-time things as kernel module of non-preemptive kernel
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[15:19] <szy_mat> @dreamon
[15:20] <szy_mat> @dreamon echo "This is a message to send" | nc 192.168.1.x -p 2121 on a sender
[15:20] <szy_mat> nc -l 2121 on receiver
[15:21] <dreamon> szy_mat,Ok. can I crypt it somehow?
[15:21] <szy_mat> yeah, use openssl
[15:22] <szy_mat> see man openssh for more, you can use both symmetric or asymmetric cipher
[15:22] <szy_mat> openssl, I ment openssl
[15:23] <dreamon> Wo can I see that it was received?
[15:23] <dreamon> How can I see that it was received?
[15:23] <szy_mat> it will appear on the console of receiving netcat, aka streamed out of stdout of netcat command
[15:24] <Habbie> don't roll your own encryption, you'll mess it up
[15:24] <szy_mat> you can use grep to wrap it into bash if statement if you want to do such things
[15:24] <Habbie> try MQTT :)
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[15:25] <szy_mat> openssl uses well-known ciphers like AES or RSA, it isn't anythink like rolling out your own encryption scheme
[15:25] <dreamon> Habbie, is there a easy entry to MQTT? a example would be fine.
[15:25] <szy_mat> @Habbie
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[15:35] <dreamon> szy_mat, Ok sending and receiving worked. now I will find out if it was received or not, for sender.
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[15:39] <dreamon> szy_mat, echo "Test Test Test." | nc 192.168.0.1xx xxxx -q 1 → It ends if it was received or not it doesnt matter.
[15:41] <hodapp> blaaargh, can't get full 2592x1944 RGB image with PiRGBArray if I have use_video_port=True
[15:41] <hodapp> works with PiYUVArray but is almost twice as slow (3.2 seconds per image rather than 1.6 per image, with capture_sequence)
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[15:42] <hodapp> unless I reduce resolution or use YUV, incoming images are all black, but docs don't seem to say anything about this being a known issue
[15:43] <szy_mat> @dreamon yeah, it works this way
[15:43] <szy_mat> you can read echo $? to determine success or failure
[15:44] <ali1234> i am also interested in this cpu clock thing
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[15:44] <ali1234> what does a synced clock get you? the problems with real-time code on rpi are caused by preemption
[15:45] <shauno> dreamon: you can test the exit status of nc to see if anything was on the other end, eg https://pastebin.com/zy5F6MFF (this only confirms a connection was actually established & closed, it doesn't guarantee the receiver made any sense of it)
[15:46] <shauno> eg if you echo "test test test" to a mailserver, nc will think that went well. the mailserver will be less impressed.
[15:47] <szy_mat> @ali1234 i have kernel which supports preemption only for userland tasks, not for kernel modules
[15:48] <szy_mat> and I do realtime things as kernel module
[15:48] <ali1234> szy_mat: you can't avoid preemption by the GPU
[15:48] <szy_mat> @ali1234 i use blobless linux with simple GPU bring-up-only firmware
[15:48] <dreamon> shauno, szy_mat Thats it. It worked Thanks
[15:49] <ali1234> szy_mat: okay then, you should be good
[15:49] <szy_mat> on other machine I do realtime things as a bare-metal program, but here I need some linux code to do networking etc (I don't want to implement it on my own)
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[15:50] <ali1234> i am not sure where GPCLK really comes from. the CPU clock obviously can change up and down, there are lower level clocks which don't
[15:50] <szy_mat> https://pinout.xyz/pinout/gpclk
[15:50] <szy_mat> it can come from several sources, you can set it
[15:50] <ali1234> that seems to cover it yeah
[15:50] <ali1234> so it won't be synced if the CPU clock changes
[15:51] <ali1234> at least not on "oscillator" setting
[15:51] <szy_mat> PLLC should be changing together with CPU clock
[15:51] <szy_mat> but still I'm not sure
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[15:52] <szy_mat> @shauno, it will happen this way... if you want ACK-like replies, you will need two-way protocol
[15:53] <szy_mat> @ali1234 however I'm not sure whether changing CPU clock changes PLL frequency or just clock divider
[15:54] <ali1234> it changes PLL
[15:55] <szy_mat> so I will need to disable clock scaling, probably even in kernel config
[15:55] <ali1234> are you aware of the UART problems on the bluetooth enabled rpis?
[15:55] <ali1234> it's basically the same problem you face
[15:55] <ali1234> one of the two UARTs, the baud rate changes when the CPU clock changes
[15:56] <ali1234> so you have to lock the CPU clock in order to use it
[15:56] <ali1234> this is a problem with bluetooth because that uses one of the UARTs
[15:56] <ali1234> i don't know more details than that, but i bet it has been documented and you can probably find out more about which clocks affect which others by researching that bug
[15:58] <szy_mat> bigger UART RX and TX buffer would solve that problem, because you don't need real-time properties to do that
[15:59] <ali1234> no they wouldn't, the actual baud rate of the port changes
[15:59] <ali1234> one minute it's 115200, the next it is 115200 + 15%
[15:59] <ali1234> the other side can't sync with that
[15:59] <szy_mat> okay, I see
[16:00] <ali1234> and it's all down to clocks influencing other clocks
[16:00] <szy_mat> but uart should be clocked independently from CPU core clock
[16:00] <ali1234> it should be yes, but it isn't
[16:00] <ali1234> something to do with there not being enough general purpose clocks i think
[16:00] <ali1234> this only affects one of the two UARTs that the rpi has
[16:01] <ali1234> but it makes the second one largely unusable unless you lock the CPU frequency
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[16:02] <szy_mat> are you talking about PL011 UART or mini-UART?
[16:02] <ali1234> the mini-uart is the one that has this problem
[16:04] <szy_mat> and one cannot reroute on-board bluetooth to the PL011 UART?
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[16:05] <ali1234> it uses that one by default
[16:06] <ali1234> meaning if you use bluetooth, you can't use the UART on GPIO header
[16:06] <ali1234> unless you lock the clock
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[16:07] <BurtyB> the mini-uart also only has an 8 byte buffer so it causes sadness twice as fast as the pl011 :)
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[16:08] <ali1234> yeah but that's a minor problem compared to the thing speeding up and slowing down at random :)
[16:08] <szy_mat> mini-UART was probably ment this way, as a part of ARM clock - adding additional full UART on SoC would be probably too expensive, and it's always better to have 1,5 UART (one full-fledged and one simple) in place of one :)
[16:08] <szy_mat> *part of ARM core
[16:08] <ali1234> anyway the exact details aren't important, what's important is if you go and research this, you'll find out more about how the clocks work
[16:09] <szy_mat> the best solution is probably implementing soft-UART as kernel module as the second UART and using PL011 with BT
[16:11] <szy_mat> connecting oscilloscope or logic analyzer to GPCLK0 and outputting clocks from several PLLs would be good way to work it out
[16:11] <szy_mat> and checking which one will fluctuate when changing ARM core clock
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[16:11] <ali1234> sounds like a good plan
[16:11] <ali1234> see if you can figure out what TE0 and TE1 do as well :)
[16:12] <ali1234> i wonder if they are related to testdebug0/testdebug1
[16:13] <szy_mat> even when using original GPU firmware you could probably find out a way to detach kernel interrupt procedure from interrupt caused by GPU
[16:15] <ali1234> you could, but that would probably cause the GPU and/or kernel to crash
[16:15] <szy_mat> of course if you are ignoring GPU interrupts graphics will not work
[16:15] <ali1234> not just graphics, other things too
[16:16] <szy_mat> GPU crash shouldn't reset the ARM core
[16:16] <ali1234> why?
[16:16] <ali1234> it will load bootcode.bin and boot up the system again, if it restarts
[16:16] <ali1234> if it locks up then maybe...
[16:18] <szy_mat> yeah, reset of GPU would reset CPU core but hang of GPU core wouldn't reset CPU core, it can hang kernel if it is non-preemptive and you aren't ignoring GPU interrupts, but if you are, you would be set
[16:20] <szy_mat> but you won't benefit anything more than using open minimal init-only firmware
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[17:06] <hodapp> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=722496&sid=0a2f2de542c7de70f58e138b0e2af779#p722496 oh, interesting, someone else seems to be having this exact same issue
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[17:23] <tomty89> has the audio part changed in rpi 3 b+? i can only see a vc4hdmi (even when hdmi is not connected) in aplay -l, dtparam=audio=on doesn't seem to do anything (neither can i do the amixer cset thing)
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[17:28] <Khaytsus> If you mean you can't find the non-hdmi sound card, nope, it should be there same as always.
[17:29] <tomty89> do i have to do anything after i changed /boot/config.txt before rebooting?
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[17:40] <friendofafriend> tomty89: What's not working?
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[17:41] <tomty89> friendofafriend: as Khaytsus said, the non-hdmi sound card is not showing up
[17:41] <tomty89> friendofafriend: even if I boot with dtparam=audio=on in /boot/config.txt
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[17:44] <Khaytsus> You shouldn't have to touch boot config for audio.
[17:44] <Khaytsus> s/shouldn't/don't/'
[17:44] <friendofafriend> Have you tried issuing an "amixer cset numid=3 1"? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/audio-config.md
[17:44] <tomty89> friendofafriend: that command can only be run if the card has show up
[17:45] <tomty89> friendofafriend: now i have only a vc4hdmi that does not have numid=3
[17:45] <friendofafriend> Are you saying when you run that command, it fails?
[17:45] <tomty89> yes
[17:46] <friendofafriend> What operating system are you using?
[17:47] <tomty89> ArchLinux ARM
[17:47] <friendofafriend> I'd recommend trying a different operating system, like Raspbian. If it works there, at least you can discount the problem being hardware.
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[17:50] <Khaytsus> meh
[17:50] <Khaytsus> Ask arch
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[17:54] <tomty89> maybe i'll an rpi kernel build first
[17:54] <tomty89> *try
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[17:57] <Khaytsus> I really think this channel should officiall suport hardware and software supported by the pi foundation. Anything else if someone knows great, otherwise, sorry.
[18:00] <tomty89> is there any distro provides kernel build of rpi-4.20.y?
[18:01] <friendofafriend> 4.20 is pretty recent, and you'll likely have to build it yourself.
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[18:02] <friendofafriend> On the upside, building a kernel for the Raspberry Pi is well documented. https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md
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[18:24] <lenswipe> hey folks
[18:24] <lenswipe> Can I pick someone's brains regarding printing?
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> best to just ask rather than to ask to ask.
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> (and then wait, patiently)
[18:26] <Khaytsus> printing on a pi?
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[18:27] <tomty89> hmm okay so dtparam=audio=on works with rpi 4.14 kernel, time to find out whether it's a 4.20 regression or an upstream kernel / ArchARM problem I guess
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> it ought to be generic these days - cups and all that. the down-side will be needing something x86 specific like the hp utils...
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[18:49] <binaryhermit> I think there's a port of google cloud print to CUPS, so that might be an option if your printer supports it and there's no other option
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[18:51] <binaryhermit> and it seems to have worked on jessie, so it might (probably does, I'd guess) still work on stretch, if you're willing to build from source https://github.com/google/cloud-print-connector/wiki/Installing-on-Raspberry-Pi-Raspbian-Jessie
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> they've not asked about a specific issue yet though ...
[18:52] <binaryhermit> oh wait, that's the wrong direction, that's a server that connects a local printer
[18:52] <binaryhermit> true
[18:52] <binaryhermit> mea culpa
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> and, actually, they have left too )-:
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[18:54] <binaryhermit> do hp printers, "hp print utils" be darned, work at all on pis? just curious
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[18:54] <defsdoor> does anyone know about the pimoroni friction fit shims ? or if there are any really small header sockets that will allow a small board to exist under the POE hat ?
[18:55] <defsdoor> binaryhermit, arent most HP's postscript or pcl - they have v.good support for many years
[18:55] <binaryhermit> no clue
[18:56] <binaryhermit> gordondrogon just brought up hp print utils
[18:56] <binaryhermit> which he(?) implied were x86-only
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> they used to be - I'ev not actualy checked for some time as it's not something I need to do though.
[18:57] <binaryhermit> but going with proprietary interfaces when a well understood one works well enough seems like reinventing the wheeel
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> I always used to try to get printers that understood postscript, but that seems harder these days.
[18:57] <binaryhermit> something something xkcd "standards"
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> actually, it looks like hplip does work with raspbian, so that's a bonus,
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> and my brother laser that we have here just needed a ppd file downloaded from the brother website, so maybe things are looking up...
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[19:19] <TheGallopingFox> anyone recommend a really light weight browser designed for rpi3?
[19:19] <TheGallopingFox> like a browser what has been stripped down
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[19:23] <Snert> lynx is good.
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[19:36] <akk> TheGallopingFox: qutebrowser might be worth checking out, though raspbian doesn't package it.
[19:36] <akk> It's in pip3.
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[19:44] <larsks> TheGallopingFox: Maybe "surf" or "dillo" (both packaged in Raspbian).
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[19:56] <friendofafriend> TheGallopingFox: links is very lightweight. There's a graphical version.
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[20:11] <akk> Browsers are always a tradeoff between how well they show modern/complex websites and how slow/bloated they are.
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[20:12] <akk> qutebrowser (or anything else based on qt5webengine) is on the compatible/graphic end of the spectrum, lynx/links/w3m on the fast end.
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[20:29] <dreamon> omxplayer seems to have issues playing rtsp videos. does anybody know a solution?
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[20:37] <dreamon> omxplayer seems to have issues playing rtsp videos. does anybody know a solution? smearging videos
[20:37] <TheGallopingFox> ok thank you :)
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[21:07] <friendofafriend> dreamon: What's "smearging"? Smearing?
[21:09] <dreamon> friendofafriend, Like this → https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/12424923/18094168/cd4eb4ce-6ed2-11e6-8b47-bec093a1bd1f.jpg
[21:09] <friendofafriend> What a neat effect!
[21:10] <ali1234> that is really weird
[21:10] <ali1234> never seen decoding errors like that before
[21:10] <ali1234> it almost looks like the monitor is broken
[21:10] <ali1234> i don't know how the decoder could even produce that
[21:11] <friendofafriend> So, I'd probably use ffmpeg to copy the rtsp stream and then pipe the result into omxplayer.
[21:11] <ali1234> what if its live?
[21:11] <ali1234> looks like security cam footage to me
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[21:12] <friendofafriend> Right, live or a file wouldn't matter.
[21:12] <ali1234> oh, you mean remuxing it
[21:13] <ali1234> yeah that might help
[21:13] <_unreal_> finished my rpi/LCD case.... I made a mold so I can make these easy... https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kPtps_VMSsQqWfIx5baqdu2rawGrnZwf https://drive.google.com/open?id=12FCPeGZaj0kRAyfx6iKHc474iH7iYEuP takes a 7" rpi/LCD maybe upto an 8"..
[21:13] <_unreal_> I still need to cut out the front so I can mount the lcd
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[21:13] <_unreal_> I dont think I'll get to that till tomorrow maybe
[21:13] <_unreal_> but at least its done
[21:15] <friendofafriend> dreamon: So, first you'd make a fifo, like "mkfifo file.mp4".
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[21:16] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QkWgHpnCRs6qtWHWWXF8qHhw2aM0cW4l
[21:16] <friendofafriend> dreamon: Next, you'd run an ffmpeg copy command like "ffmpeg -i <rtsp_url> -c copy file.mp4 &"
[21:17] <_unreal_> what do you guys think?
[21:17] <friendofafriend> dreamon: And then you'd run omxplayer on that fifo, like "omxplayer ./file.mp4".
[21:17] <_unreal_> of the mold
[21:17] <_unreal_> rather the part the rpi casre
[21:17] <_unreal_> case
[21:18] <friendofafriend> Sure looks pretty crafty, _unreal_. Planning on making lots of them?
[21:18] <_unreal_> I can
[21:18] <_unreal_> made from fiberglass
[21:19] <_unreal_> the shell is on average about 1/8th " thick and stronger then any plastic version
[21:20] <dreamon> frke d
[21:20] <dreamon> ups
[21:20] <_unreal_> ?
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[21:21] <dreamon> friendofafriend, do you think pi is fast enough?
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[21:22] <_unreal_> dreamon, if your asking is it fast enough to play mp4's its not the CPU that handles it... its decoded in hardware
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[21:22] <_unreal_> as long as the CPU can keep the decoder buffered it should be plenty fast enough
[21:24] <dreamon> Ok, i will give it a try. omxplayer is from year 2016 might be to old too?
[21:24] <friendofafriend> dreamon: You should certainly use the latest omxplayer.
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[21:25] <friendofafriend> That ffmpeg command is simply to recopy the stream into a FIFO. It's not very CPU intensive. Its purpose is because there's been problems with how omxplayer handles streams, and ffmpeg is known to handle them correctly.
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[21:36] <dreamon> instead of using newer version, a older seems to be better → https://github.com/SvenVD/rpisurv/issues/16
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[21:39] <friendofafriend> Right, but if you're using ffmpeg and doing a copy, you're no longer using omxplayer to stream from RTSP.
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[21:43] <friendofafriend> (You're just playing a "file" from FIFO, and omxplayer won't know anything about the source.)
[21:44] <dreamon> friendofafriend, Thanks I will try this out!
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[21:47] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome, dreamon! Good luck.
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[21:52] <retromode> hello. what would be the best way for me to display my pi's desktop on my PC desktop? ive read Xming is an option but im unsure of how safe it is
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