#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-01-12

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[0:56] <darkdrgn2k3> any one know of a command line sip client that can answer a call and connect to a mic/speaker
[0:57] <darkdrgn2k3> kinda like an auto answer handless device?!
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[0:59] <friendofafriend> darkdrgn2k3: twinkle
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[1:01] <chris_99> oooh - https://abopen.com/news/raspberry-pi-foundation-announces-risc-v-foundation-membership/
[1:01] <darkdrgn2k3> i was hoping command line :/
[1:02] <friendofafriend> Try "twinkle -c"
[1:02] <darkdrgn2k3> hmmm
[1:02] <darkdrgn2k3> 2009 does it still work?
[1:02] <darkdrgn2k3> 10 years
[1:02] <friendofafriend> Uh oh, might be expired.
[1:03] <darkdrgn2k3> yeh
[1:03] <darkdrgn2k3> gatta throw it out with the rest of the trash lol
[1:03] <darkdrgn2k3> ill try PJSIP first... if that doesnt work il try twinkle :)
[1:03] <friendofafriend> Super great, fantastic.
[1:04] <darkdrgn2k3> i know right!
[1:04] <darkdrgn2k3> thanks for the lead :)
[1:04] <friendofafriend> Welcome, good luck.
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[4:55] <Masterph_> sup bois.. how do I "install" the pi ubuntu mate into my sd card on a mac? tried dd to /dev/disk2 but it won't boot
[4:56] <CoJaBo> Masterph_: what was the full command used
[4:59] <Masterph_> sudo dd bs=1048576 if=ubuntu-mate-16.04.2-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img of=/dev/disk2
[5:00] <Masterph_> gonna have dinner, brb
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[5:20] <Masterph_> back
[5:21] <Masterph_> CoJaBo: ^
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[5:24] <CoJaBo> Masterph_: and /dev/disk2 is definitely the right device
[5:27] <Masterph_> yup
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[5:29] <Masterph_> tried disk2s1 as well - knowing it wouldn't work, but that failed to a higher level
[5:31] <Masterph_> This is what I did: 1> format card to FAT32 & MBR 2> Download the UbuntuMate img 3> run the dd command
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[5:34] <CoJaBo> Masterph_: sure the image isn't corrupt?
[5:35] <CoJaBo> check that, and also try a diffident sd card and/or diffident pi
[5:35] <Masterph_> yeah, I checked the sha256 and everything
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[5:35] <DanielTheFox> wait
[5:35] * ball prices up some PiThings
[5:35] <DanielTheFox> shouldn't the image come with a partition table and all the partitions needed for proper bootup?
[5:35] <Masterph_> I tried with noobs and it's working fine
[5:36] <DanielTheFox> you should be writting directly to the card, not onto a partition, unless the image was properly designed and documented to work inside a partition
[5:36] <DanielTheFox> dunno
[5:37] <DanielTheFox> i.e. /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb2
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[5:38] <ball> Does anyone have a recommended USB 2.0 to SATA cable that they'd use with a Raspberry Pi?
[5:38] <Masterph_> DanielTheFox: I'm on a mac therefore writing to the device is /dev/disk2 and writing to a partition /dev/disk2s1
[5:39] <DanielTheFox> ball: preferably, use stuff that takes its power from somewhere else than the Pi itself
[5:39] <Masterph_> ball: just look for an enclosure with external power supply :)
[5:39] <DanielTheFox> even SSD can take a significant amount of power, enough to upset the poor little Pi
[5:39] <DanielTheFox> :)
[5:39] <DanielTheFox> Masterph_: oh, nice
[5:39] <ball> Masterph_: I was thinking of doing this in a cluster, so the case is going to be further out
[5:39] <DanielTheFox> I have literally zero experience with mac, so hey
[5:40] <ball> (the disks won't be individually cased)
[5:40] <DanielTheFox> ball: still, look for stuff that will feed the HDD/SSD separately, away from Pi's USB port
[5:40] <ball> Hmm... ok
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[5:40] <Masterph_> DanielTheFox: it's very similar to linux for most mundane things
[5:40] <DanielTheFox> so you don't have troubles with not enough power reaching the HDD
[5:41] <ball> That may be impractical, in which case I'd have to resort to a USB flash stick.
[5:41] <DanielTheFox> Masterph_: oh, then I should at least somewhat swim on it
[5:41] <DanielTheFox> instead of drowning
[5:41] <ball> (well, four USB flash sticks)
[5:41] <DanielTheFox> ball: oh, then you MIGHT get away with powering from the Pi itself
[5:41] <DanielTheFox> in that case, just cross your fingers
[5:42] <DanielTheFox> that your disks don't take more than what the Pi is willing to give
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[5:43] <ball> I /might/ get a 60W multiport USB "charger"
[5:44] <DanielTheFox> fair enough
[5:44] <ball> 60W / 5 V = 12 A
[5:44] <ball> 12A / 4 = 3 A
[5:44] <DanielTheFox> even another 2A port for feeding the HDD will be enough
[5:44] <ball> DanielTheFox: I've given up on disks for now, though I suppose the headnode could have one.
[5:44] <DanielTheFox> like, even if the Pi has spare power, it may still be rejectful to give too much power onto the USB ports
[5:45] <DanielTheFox> ball: well, I call HDD to anything that can be connected onto SATA
[5:45] <ball> DanielTheFox: ...but I might use an extra USB port (on the PSU, not a Pi) to power a cooling fan
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[5:45] <DanielTheFox> and since 99% stuff I deal with still has HDD, then I just enclose the whole HDD/SSD thingie onto the single term HDD
[5:47] <ball> Hmm... I'll need four microSDHC cards too
[5:48] <DanielTheFox> hell
[5:48] <DanielTheFox> it was a triumph to get one Pi and one microSDHC card
[5:49] <ball> So far my cluster looks like it will cost US$ 236 +tax
[5:49] <ball> ...and that's not including cables.
[5:49] <DanielTheFox> heh
[5:49] <DanielTheFox> I was pround of my portable setup that, overall, costed a little bit than $100 USD
[5:54] <ball> $254, excl. cooling fan and mounting hardware.
[5:54] <ball> DanielTheFox: I have really liked my Raspberry Pi boards
[5:55] <ball> I have two Raspberry Pi model B (one untested) and a 2B.
[5:55] <ball> I suppose if I built a cluster, I could test it without USB flash
[5:56] <ball> ...for experimental purposes I suppose that's optional
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[13:43] <PCatinean> Hello everyone, I just installed raspbian on an rpi and installe docker + docker-compose
[13:43] <PCatinean> Does anyone know what is the best way to get the basic libraries needed for GPIO operations in a docker image?
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[13:46] <BurtyB> throw away docker and just use apt-get ? :)
[13:46] <PCatinean> why throw it away? it's really good and a second rpi is setup in minutes
[13:46] <ShorTie> they are all ready included, so don't even need apt
[13:47] <PCatinean> hmm, they are?
[13:47] <PCatinean> I got the minimal version though
[13:47] <ShorTie> yup, called wiringPi
[13:47] <ShorTie> then you might need that
[13:48] <PCatinean> I can make a virtualenv indeed (i might be testing a lot of sensors and I want to use just what's needed)
[13:49] <PCatinean> but docker would be much easier / reproducable
[13:49] <BurtyB> it sounds it :p
[13:49] <PCatinean> what?
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[13:52] <ShorTie> what sensors if i can ask ??
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[13:52] <PCatinean> in this case it's the humidit dht-11 one
[13:55] <ShorTie> it's already in wiringPi, https://github.com/nkundu/wiringpi-examples/blob/master/dht11.c
[13:56] <PCatinean> ohh, thanks for the info, appreciate it
[13:56] <PCatinean> I'll install wiringPi now
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[13:57] <BurtyB> or you can use the "gpio" tool (also in wiringpi) from the command line if you don't want to write anything
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[13:59] <PCatinean> ohh nice!
[14:01] <PCatinean> I wonder how I can read the humidity with gpio
[14:01] <PCatinean> cli
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[14:02] <ShorTie> i think you gotta read all data, then pick out what you want
[14:03] <ShorTie> so it's not really a 1 liner
[14:03] <PCatinean> i did gpio readall and got a table but can't make out any specific data
[14:08] <ShorTie> http://wiringpi.com/the-gpio-utility/
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[14:13] <PCatinean> ah it's made in C for C devs, python doesn't help me much here I take it
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[14:32] <H__> PCatinean: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi-Python
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[15:11] <stiv> as a general rule, there are python bindings for anything pi-related
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[16:18] <digital> the file /boot/config.txt is parsed before start.elf is loaded, right?
[16:19] <digital> nvm, start.elf reads config.txt
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[16:28] <DanielTheFox> digital: yes, start.elf is the first one executed :)
[16:29] <DanielTheFox> config.txt is plaintext magic: you can change the behavior of the Pi through that file
[16:29] <DanielTheFox> including amazing things such as CPU/GPU/RAM speed
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[16:30] <digital> and for some reason the start.elf version for the rpi3 aarch64 lost the ability to load a kernel.img specified in config.txt with `kernel=file`? https://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot#Copy_U-Boot_to_your_SD_card
[16:31] <digital> I guess i could just try this
[16:31] <digital> >.> <.<
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[16:42] <digital> I can confirm that this is true :(
[16:44] <DanielTheFox> attempting to load 64-bit OS?
[16:45] <digital> how do I boot a raspberry pi 3 from an u-boot shell? the instructions given in https://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot#Booting_from_an_SD_card are apparently outdated, the u-boot I downloaded and compiled today don't have the `bootz` command.
[16:45] <DanielTheFox> you know, the Pi 3 still has only 1 GB RAM
[16:45] <DanielTheFox> but oh well
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[16:46] <PhotoJim> I remember being excited getting a computer with 64 kB of RAM. but that's true, if you want a GUI, 1 GB ain't much anymore.
[16:46] <DanielTheFox> heh, that could explain
[16:47] <DanielTheFox> I'm not using a GUI at all
[16:47] <DanielTheFox> lemme check my RAM usage...
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[16:47] <PhotoJim> without a GUI, a gig should be pretty good for anything but really heavy usage
[16:47] <digital> I'm just playing around with the rpi and the os. if aarch64 doesn't work out, i'll switch to armv7
[16:47] <DanielTheFox> PhotoJim: 62 MB used
[16:47] <DanielTheFox> playing music, ping, weechat, screen
[16:48] <PhotoJim> there you go
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> no GUI of any kind
[16:48] <PhotoJim> none of that needs much
[16:48] <PhotoJim> you could do that with 128 MB
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> yep
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> actually
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[16:48] <DanielTheFox> the GPU itself has 128 MB
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> despite it's never used
[16:48] <PhotoJim> you can reconfigure it to use only 16 MB
[16:48] <PhotoJim> and you probably should
[16:48] <PhotoJim> I think 16 is the minimum
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> because the SPI screen doesn't get acceleration of any kind
[16:48] <PhotoJim> the config is in /boot
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> but sometimes I plug onto a TV
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> so sometimes I want some handy video RAM
[16:49] <DanielTheFox> and, even with a GUI, I don't use that much RAM, only up to 512 MB
[16:50] <PhotoJim> my Pis that don't run a GUI only do a text console via video, so there isn't any need for tons of memory
[16:50] <PhotoJim> I've still got a couple of first-gen Pis running. they still work :)
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[16:50] <DanielTheFox> been living many years with no more than 1 GB RAM even on a desktop computer, it's not quite a pain, you just need some sense of austerity
[16:51] <PhotoJim> it can definitely be done
[16:51] <PhotoJim> the worst GUI machine I have has 1.5 GB. I'm not sure if the RAM or the old 32-bit Atom N270 processor are the bigger bottlenecks
[16:51] <PhotoJim> but it's a tiny machine that still works well so I still use it occasionally
[16:51] * DanielTheFox has a netbook that has 2 GB RAM and an Atom N270 :)
[16:52] <DanielTheFox> I used a GUI (Windows XP) for a long time, until I decided to turn it into a WiFi-to-Ethernet router
[16:52] <PhotoJim> yeah, that's what this is. Acer Aspire One. but the first half-gig is soldered to the motherboard, hence not practically upgradeable :)
[16:52] <friendofafriend> I like those PiBooks, but the Pinebook is a lot cheaper. :\
[16:52] <DanielTheFox> I don't even need that 2 GB RAM, it'd survive with 512 MB just fine
[16:52] <PhotoJim> I have a Pinebook, too, but I haven't used it much lately. need to reinstall it. I borked it.
[16:53] <PhotoJim> I have a 486 with 32 MB RAM that runs Debian kicking around, mostly for kicks. It was my first-ever Linux machine. but I broke a kernel upgrade so it needs help.
[16:53] <PhotoJim> but when last it ran, although it ran slowly, it definitely ran.
[16:53] <DanielTheFox> :)
[16:53] <DanielTheFox> I have a 486-66 with 16 MB RAM
[16:53] <PhotoJim> you could probably upgrade that to 32 or 64 MB pretty easily.
[16:53] <DanielTheFox> given 16 MB, it can only run retro software :)
[16:54] <PhotoJim> this 486 I have was so old, it was ISA and used 30-pin SIMMs.
[16:54] <DanielTheFox> yes, now I hope the RAM is cheap and the shipping is, too
[16:54] <DanielTheFox> PhotoJim: mine is :P
[16:54] <PhotoJim> heh
[16:54] <PhotoJim> I wish it had PCI. then I could put a USB card into it.
[16:54] <DanielTheFox> it has four 30-pin SIMMs and 7 ISA16 slots
[16:54] <DanielTheFox> three of them are also VLB
[16:54] <PhotoJim> oh, cool.
[16:54] <DanielTheFox> there is also two 72-pin SIMMs
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[16:54] <PhotoJim> oh, it's one of those hybrid machines.
[16:55] <PhotoJim> that's the generation that started having PCI slots. guess yours was a little too early.
[16:55] <DanielTheFox> the RAM bank 0 is either the first 72-pin or all the four 32-pin SIMMs
[16:55] <DanielTheFox> so you cannot fill them all
[16:55] <PhotoJim> right. so use 30-pin and you'd have 32 MB. use 72-pin and you'd have 64 MB.
[16:55] <DanielTheFox> either the first 72-pin or the four 30-pin
[16:55] <PhotoJim> well, 8 MB 30-pin SIMMs are rare. so you're definitely better to go 72-pin.
[16:56] <DanielTheFox> the second 72-pin is apart, so you can use it (or not use it)
[16:56] <PhotoJim> if I ever retire this machine, I'd probably get a hundred bucks for that RAM :)
[16:56] <DanielTheFox> unfortunately, the PSU is broken
[16:56] <PhotoJim> oh, that's unfortunate.
[16:56] <DanielTheFox> the 12V is supplying 3.5V
[16:56] <DanielTheFox> the -12V is giving -8V
[16:56] <DanielTheFox> the 5V lines are alright
[16:57] <DanielTheFox> the orange line is giving 4.16V
[16:57] <DanielTheFox> it's one of those heavy AT PSU
[16:57] <DanielTheFox> I need a ATX->AT cable
[16:57] <PhotoJim> heh
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[16:57] <DanielTheFox> I have a s**tload of ATX power supplies I can't use :P
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[16:58] <DanielTheFox> I didn't test the -5V line (if any), but it's a dont-care because the important 12V lines just went onto a strike
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[17:00] <stiv> you might examine the capacitors on the PSU. sometimes they leak (or explode!). too much chinesium or something
[17:00] <DanielTheFox> ...or give up and use an ATX->AT PSU
[17:00] <DanielTheFox> that should be more reliably anyway
[17:00] <DanielTheFox> *reliable
[17:01] <DanielTheFox> the only use for that 486 is DOS/Win16 gaming anyway :D
[17:01] <DanielTheFox> like DosBox, but on a different computer
[17:01] <DanielTheFox> (power bill here is not metered, so those worries about power consumption are also a dont-care)
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[18:19] <DanielTheFox> I put my raspberry pi 3 b+ to play .MOD and other old-school trackers
[18:19] <DanielTheFox> then shut both LEDs off
[18:20] <DanielTheFox> then hot-disconnected the GPIO screen while the computer was turned on (NEVER DO THIS, I got away with it today, but I might not tomorrow)
[18:20] <DanielTheFox> all that with analog headphone output and powerbank power
[18:20] <DanielTheFox> and, well
[18:20] <DanielTheFox> I slept 8 hours with fancy music
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> when I woke up, I noticed the powerbank said 49%
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> by now it would be below 10%
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> or, not so low, but well, 20%
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> so I guess the screen is taking a significant amount of power
[18:22] <Habbie> screens are a big part of the power usage of phones, too
[18:22] <DanielTheFox> it's a TFT screen
[18:23] <DanielTheFox> using some small white LEDs for backlight
[18:23] <DanielTheFox> 3.5"
[18:23] <DanielTheFox> so, well
[18:25] <galtj> lol
[18:25] <galtj> hot-disconnecting hardware is never a good idea
[18:26] <DanielTheFox> hence why I said that
[18:27] <galtj> have you tried zynthian
[18:27] <DanielTheFox> no, what's that?
[18:27] <galtj> is there some SID-like "expansion pack"
[18:27] <galtj> it's a synth
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[18:29] <DanielTheFox> I used xmp
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[18:33] <galtj> ok
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[18:40] <burner01> looking to do a raspberry pi project. the centos7 armhfp mirror has raw.xz files... when i uncompress it obviously exports to .raw
[18:40] <burner01> is .raw the same as .img or is there a conversion needing to take place?
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[18:44] <RoyK> burner01: using centos on a pi?
[18:45] <RoyK> I've only tried that briefly, and it wasn't good
[18:45] <burner01> apparently it's a thing
[18:45] <RoyK> what usecase?
[18:46] <burner01> eh, just putzing around. i prefer redhat over deb and wanted to test some web services on it
[18:46] <RoyK> gui involved?
[18:46] <burner01> before i gave up and went raspbian, figured id see if there's an issue when i'm imaging to the sd card. (getting a rainbow)
[18:46] <burner01> i can do headless.
[18:47] <RoyK> then centos might work - just decompress the file before you dd it over
[18:47] <burner01> so .raw is ok to use and doesn't need a file extension of .img?
[18:47] <RoyK> probably the same
[18:48] <RoyK> I tried centos on a pi for infoscreens some time back - it failed
[18:48] <RoyK> raspbian just works :)
[18:48] <burner01> yeah... i just don't dig the deb lyfe :\
[18:48] <RoyK> but then - that was with X and all - a lot harder
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[18:49] <RoyK> I've been using debian for 20 years or so, and like it - but then - that differs for all of us
[18:49] <burner01> Yeah, I mean i don't hate it, we all just have our preferences.
[18:49] <RoyK> yep
[18:51] <RoyK> you did decompress the file before you dd'ed it over to the card?
[18:51] <burner01> yeah, definitely.
[18:51] <burner01> I'm getting the rainbow so it looks like it's sort of recognizing the SD card haha
[18:52] <Khaytsus> There is a specific CentOS build for the pi.. not sure you're going to get anywhere fast doing what you're doing
[18:52] <Khaytsus> http://mirror.centos.org/altarch/7/isos/armhfp/CentOS-Userland-7-armv7hl-Minimal-1603-RaspberryPi3.img.xz
[18:52] <Khaytsus> Unless that's the same thing you got
[18:52] <Khaytsus> unzsquish it with unxz or wahtnot, then just dd
[18:53] <Khaytsus> https://tecadmin.net/install-centos-raspberry-pi/ full steps
[18:53] <burner01> That link 404's
[18:53] <Khaytsus> that path anyway.. might be an updated built
[18:53] <Khaytsus> d
[18:53] <burner01> Yup there is.
[18:53] <burner01> there isn't any .img.xz in the mirror, only .raw.xz
[18:54] <RoyK> which pi?
[18:54] <Khaytsus> Interesting..
[18:54] <burner01> 2, :\ but i've read 2 works.
[18:54] <Khaytsus> https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AltArch/armhfp
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[18:55] <burner01> http://mirror.calgah.com/centos-altarch/7.6.1810/isos/armhfp/
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[18:55] <Khaytsus> I use Fedora on things with monitors, CentOS on things without.. and raspbian lite on all my pi's heh
[18:55] <burner01> Yeah, I don't mind headless, but it's simply just not booting.
[18:56] <burner01> I'll try again tho
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[21:13] <eject_ck> Did anybody there tried use pifm? it's not working for me http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[21:16] <eject_ck> I'm interesting if any additional configuration needs to be done on on Pi 3 Model B rev 1.2
[21:18] <friendofafriend> You might try using rpitx, eject_ck.
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[21:20] <eject_ck> friendofafriend: let me check
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[21:31] <eject_ck> @friendofafriend: it works!
[21:31] <eject_ck> thank you
[21:32] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome, eject_ck. rpitx is much more full featured, allowing for transmission of AM, sideband, and lots of other modulations.
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[21:32] <eject_ck> Any works to broadcast DVB-T ?
[21:32] <friendofafriend> Just be careful, adding an antenna can make your transmissions travel for quite a distance and cause interference to others. It's smart to use a filter.
[21:33] <eject_ck> I'm careful in the middle of nowhere
[21:33] <eject_ck> no antenna for sure
[21:33] <eject_ck> are you using it ?
[21:34] <eject_ck> I just tried easytest and it worked withj modulation and rds
[21:34] <friendofafriend> rpitx? Sure, I've used it before.
[21:34] <friendofafriend> In fact, you can set it up to read I/Q samples from a pipe, and then transmit from the Raspberry Pi from GNURadio on another system.
[21:36] <chris_99> heh, that's neat
[21:36] <friendofafriend> Was using GNURadio and rpitx to send data to a ChipCon radio, the CC1101.
[21:37] <chris_99> would it be right in thinking that pi script, uses SPI?
[21:39] <eject_ck> this one is nice https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx/tree/master/src/pifmrds
[21:41] <friendofafriend> chris_99: That script is (ab)using the GPIO clock.
[21:41] <chris_99> oh interesting, how's that work roughly?
[21:44] <mfa298> even low power signals can travel a very long way in the right conditions :)
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[21:47] <chris_99> mm! :)
[21:50] <mfa298> chris_99: I think there's a few good descriptions around via google on how it works, but roughly (as friendofafriend said) it's (ab)using a clock on the pi to generate something that looks enough like modulated rf. It's a not particularly clean signal so there's potentially a lot of bad stuff generated at the same time
[21:50] <mfa298> i.e. lots of harmonics as it's mostly a modulated square wave, which is why as a minimum you need some good filtering on the output (and it still probably isn't legal)
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[21:51] <friendofafriend> chris_99: Here's the original write-up. http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[21:51] <chris_99> cheers, will have a dig into the code
[21:52] <friendofafriend> There's considerable advancement since the proof-of-concept. I think the real star of the rpitx show is csdr, I can't live without it.
[21:53] <chris_99> this will sound way way way worse - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSj5skknXWg&feature=youtu.be but i modified a C program i found, to 'broadcast' .wav audio from a laptop (it only works with AM though, since you can't actually define the modulation)
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[21:59] <eject_ck> it works for me perfect
[22:00] <eject_ck> friendofafriend: what's csdr ?
[22:00] <friendofafriend> You might try system-bus-radio, chris_99. https://github.com/fulldecent/system-bus-radio
[22:00] <friendofafriend> eject_ck: You're using it.
[22:00] <chris_99> thats what my thing is based on
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[22:01] <friendofafriend> csdr is a program for doing DSP that can be optimized for your processor, it takes advantage of NEON, SSE, and other instruction sets.
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[22:05] <eject_ck> cool
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[22:10] <eject_ck> friendofafriend: can you suggest how to stream to stdout mp3 stream ?
[22:10] <eject_ck> ffmpeg ?
[22:11] <friendofafriend> Uh, sure, but I don't understand exactly what you want.
[22:12] <friendofafriend> You have an mp3 file and you're trying to stream out, like WAV?
[22:13] <friendofafriend> Probably something like, "ffmpeg -hide_banner -loglevel panic -i yourmusic.mp3 -f wav -acodec pcm_s16le -ac 1 -"
[22:13] <eject_ck> ffmpeg -i http://bbcmedia.ic.llnwd.net/stream/bbcmedia_radio4fm_mf_q -f s16le - | sudo ./pifmrds -freq 100.0 -ctl rds_ctl -audio -
[22:13] <friendofafriend> Cool, is that working out?
[22:14] <eject_ck> with your help - yes )
[22:14] <eject_ck> ffmpeg -i http://bbcmedia.ic.llnwd.net/stream/bbcmedia_radio4fm_mf_q -f wav -hide_banner -loglevel panic -acodec pcm_s16le -ac 1 - | sudo ./pifmrds -freq 100.0 -ctl rds_ctl -audio -
[22:14] <friendofafriend> You are always very welcome. I'm glad you've got an RDS radio to test!
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[22:18] <eject_ck> yes, will share some photos
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[22:25] <eject_ck> https://imgur.com/a/vZaZnyB
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[22:28] <eject_ck> I like signal level
[22:28] <eject_ck> friendofafriend: any works to make DAB?
[22:28] <friendofafriend> To have it broadcast DAB?
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[22:34] <friendofafriend> There is a DAB transmitter that you can use with GNURadio. https://github.com/kit-cel/gr-dab
[22:34] <friendofafriend> And you could probably make a recording of the I/Q file that results, and test transmitting it through rpitx.
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[22:37] <eject_ck> friendofafriend: sorry can you clarify about recording? You asking to record my broadcasting or ?
[22:38] <friendofafriend> No, are you trying to transmit DAB from the Pi?
[22:38] <friendofafriend> It's a bit more complicated than the examples.
[22:39] <eject_ck> I have RTL-SDR too and will be happy to try, but yes I was asking if I can tyr transmit DAB from rpi, not using RTL-SDR
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[22:41] <friendofafriend> Yes, you could probably get the Pi to transmit DAB.
[22:42] <friendofafriend> I've got an RTL-SDR here also, hopefully getting NOAA satellites with it soon. https://i.imgur.com/I0c0A2W.jpg
[22:43] <eject_ck> I have usb stick with RTL2838 DVB-T, but gnuradio-companion don't like it for some reason. Generic RTL2832U OEM is device id detected from rtl_test
[22:43] <eject_ck> how it's detected ?
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[22:44] <CentrixReal> yoooo
[22:45] <CentrixReal> arduino is better
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[22:45] <General_Kenobi> :c
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[22:49] <friendofafriend> eject_ck: Use an osmocom source block, in the device arguments put in "rtl=0".
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[22:56] <Khaytsus> Oh noez, troll level 99 wipes out entire channel
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[23:01] <eject_ck> I have rtl=0, what you mean by "osmocom source block" ?
[23:01] <CoJaBo> Khaytsus: ha, i keep thinking you're that level 99 Edgelord troll with a similarly spelled name
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[23:03] <eject_ck> I started gqrx and now it works with gnuradio companion too
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[23:03] <Khaytsus> CoJaBo: Who? I can't think of any trolls with a nick similar to mine
[23:03] <CoJaBo> I kan't remember the spelling lol
[23:04] <CoJaBo> Something like Khatsabs
[23:05] <Khaytsus> Huh, interesting
[23:05] * Khaytsus peeps in his database
[23:05] <CoJaBo> I htink he finally crawled back to reddit, thankfully
[23:06] <Khaytsus> I have a sql soundex search in my irc log query tool.. looking for giggles
[23:10] <Khaytsus> CoJaBo: Khatsabz
[23:10] <Khaytsus> You were close!
[23:10] <Khaytsus> And man that was a lot slower than I remember it being
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[23:13] <CoJaBo> Khaytsus: Damnit, I need one of those
[23:14] <Khaytsus> CoJaBo: :D
[23:14] <Khaytsus> Only activity I've seen from him is #android in 2014 and #freenode asking for cloaks
[23:14] <Khaytsus> Must have been in other channels I wasn't in at the time
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[23:17] <Khaytsus> CoJaBo: but yeah, I'm a nerd.. so I wrote some scripts to pull irssi logs into mysql and then have written all kinds of random queries for stuff... like nick searches like the one I just used, nick corelations (all nicks a nick has used) etc
[23:17] <Khaytsus> https://gitlab.com/khaytsus/chatdb if you're at all curious
[23:18] <CoJaBo> Khaytsus: Yeh, he got banned a bunch of places, so asked for the cloak to evade it
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[23:18] <Khaytsus> CoJaBo: Yeah, that's why I idle in #freenode
[23:18] <Khaytsus> ;)
[23:19] <CoJaBo> Don't tell anyone but...... same :P
[23:19] <Khaytsus> Actually first started to track mimtf if you know that one
[23:19] <CoJaBo> I have the nick correlation thing, but I didn't write my own
[23:20] <Khaytsus> CoJaBo: I've used stalker, irrsi script, for years. It's great, and actually still better than mine in some ways
[23:20] <Khaytsus> But mine I can do a lot more flexable things with.. stalker works great in real time though
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[23:20] <CoJaBo> The one I use can identify VPNs and stuff too
[23:21] <CoJaBo> It has a pretty odd name
[23:21] <Khaytsus> Most vpns have random stuff in 'em..
[23:31] <CoJaBo> ?
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[23:36] <Khaytsus> Most vpn's I've seen are like suchandusch/vpn/lkjl9089ksjlkj and that changes every connection
[23:37] <CoJaBo> Khaytsus: Most VPNs aren't detected by Freenode
[23:37] <Khaytsus> I store it in the db... but not much I can do with it sinc eit's a one time hostname, essentially
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[23:41] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: Mainly for national security applications?
[23:46] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: I can't talk about that
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[23:49] <friendofafriend> Stop snitchin', Khaytsus.
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[23:54] <Khaytsus> I say we have a green light on friendofafriend
[23:55] <Khaytsus> oh..... wrong chan, ignore
[23:56] <netvor_> Khaytsus: sure, np, ignored. Oh wait... :-D
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