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IRC Log for 2019-01-13

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[0:03] <friendofafriend> echo "Khaytsus" >> ~/list_of_confirmed_feds
[0:03] <friendofafriend> Oops, wrong window.
[0:03] <Khaytsus> If I were fed I'd be on vacation
[0:03] <Khaytsus> While the oragutan throws a fit
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[0:07] <friendofafriend> If you're muling in contraband, this is the time.
[0:08] <d0rm0us3> border patrol, DEA, DHS, and the like are classed essential personnel
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[0:09] <Khaytsus> I know someone in government who I wish wasn't essential
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[0:10] <friendofafriend> Probation officer?
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[0:24] <Phischi> hello, is there a reasonable priced 5GHz wifi-adapter that works well with the Pi?
[0:25] <Phischi> doesn't need to do monitor-mode. One project sits in the middle of a dozen open hotspots that spam the 2.4GHz band :/
[0:25] <friendofafriend> Phischi: What protocol?
[0:26] <Phischi> uh... n?
[0:26] <Phischi> uh no a
[0:27] <Phischi> I think I forgot to check the wifiprotocols after n :p
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[0:27] <rpjsf> Phischi: although I realize it's pretty big, I've been using this adapter with with a Pi 2 for years and it has worked great the entire time. I don't use the additional external antenna though, that's just *too* big :D
[0:27] <rpjsf> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FB45USW
[0:28] <Phischi> is that reasonable priced? :P
[0:28] <Phischi> well the SMA-connector is a must. The Pi sits behind a 60" LCD-panel.
[0:28] <rpjsf> yup! the little tiny button-style USB ones average about $30, and at that size their antennas are effectively useless.
[0:29] <Phischi> hm
[0:29] <rpjsf> better option might be to just buy a newer Pi with built-in wifi :)
[0:29] <rpjsf> I :heart: the Zero W
[0:29] <Phischi> I have the TP-WN722N usb-sticks that work in general... just not at 5GHz :p
[0:29] <Phischi> nah
[0:29] <Phischi> it's a Pi3
[0:29] <rpjsf> ah yup, and if you need the SMA you're looking at that price range regardless I think
[0:30] <Phischi> but the internal wifi doesn't work on that distance
[0:30] <Phischi> duh
[0:30] <rpjsf> haha yeah, now I see why you want that SMA connector :)
[0:30] <Phischi> I don't need 300MBit too
[0:30] <Phischi> 802.11b would be good enough I say :P
[0:31] <Phischi> but if the place is crowded with like 1200 tourists and only half of them using the open APs.... huge ping-losses on the wifi-connection :/
[0:31] <rpjsf> well now you're starting to bring physics into the problem, and that's well out of my comfort zone :P
[0:32] <Phischi> I think I started with the physics :p
[0:32] <rpjsf> LOL ;)
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[0:36] <Phischi> rpjsf: this looks trustworthy https://www.ebay.de/i/273136463381?chn=ps :P
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[0:38] <Phischi> https://www.ebay.de/itm/USB-2-0-WLAN-WiFi-Wireless-LAN-Dongle-Adapter-600Mbit-3-dBi-Antenne-Dual-Band-2/273122777637
[0:38] <Phischi> no info what chip is inside
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[0:40] <rpjsf> Phischi: lol totally trustworthy!
[0:41] <rpjsf> joking aside though, I actually do order from China via eBay & Aliexpress *all* the time, and generally have really good results
[0:41] <Phischi> yeah, I just cringe at hardwarebuzzwords without any hind which chipset was used
[0:41] <binaryhermit> usb 2.0 wlan ain't gonna do 600 mbps though
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[0:42] <rpjsf> that said, I'm usually just ordering BOM parts and not complete systems, but even then if you're already considering something whose provenience isn't known, might as well buy a bunch of *really* ones from China and try them out :)
[0:42] <rpjsf> really *cheap* ones, I meant to say
[0:42] <rpjsf> because there is some *really cheap* stuff there :)
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[0:43] <Phischi> binaryhermit: ofcourse... the 4xxish Megabit are also just a hoax... half of that
[0:43] <Phischi> rpjsf: yeah :)
[0:44] <binaryhermit> The pi's built-in wifi, from my chromebook I've gotten like 90 Mb/s from iperf
[0:44] <Phischi> I barely get near the 40MB/sec on USB2
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[0:45] <friendofafriend> Yeah, honestly you might consider just buying a Raspi 3B+ for the wifi alone.
[0:45] <binaryhermit> that's megabit, though
[0:45] <binaryhermit> not byte
[0:46] <Phischi> binaryhermit: yeah, that's not the prob here. The connection is between to Pis, one behind a big LCD-panel hanging at a concretewall, the other one almost hidden behind another wall 20-25m away... built-in won't work
[0:46] <binaryhermit> but still, that's more than good enough for my torrenting and NAS use
[0:46] <friendofafriend> A USB extension cable is a smart way to get around external antennas.
[0:47] <binaryhermit> since my connection's about 4 mbps down 2 mbps up and I'm only usually accessing the nas from one place
[0:47] <Phischi> friendofafriend: I do that already :P the 5m barely reach it's place... pondering a expander
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[0:52] <friendofafriend> Wifi can be awfully fickle.
[0:54] <PhotoJim> yes, wire is best if you can manage it
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[0:54] <binaryhermit> especially when it's 20+m and 2 walls
[0:55] <binaryhermit> dual-band probably doesn't matter there, you're not gonna get usable 5ghz signal there
[1:00] <Khaytsus> I have no problem with wifi strength any more with a good 5ghz a/c but my problem is too many clients = large wireless collision domain
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[2:31] <x545> hi, I have an old raspi1 and upgraded from freebsd 10 to 12, now powerd isn't working like in 10 anymore, I always get when starting powerd: powerd: no cpufreq(4) support -- aborting: No such file or directory | does anybody know why?
[2:32] <x545> even in dmesg no mesg about cpufreq is shown, but kernel object is loaded
[2:33] <x545> irssi is running on rpi-b, wo feel free to post commands for issi to get more info
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[2:36] <friendofafriend> I'd take a look at how powerd was getting invoked in 10.
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[2:42] <x545> friendofafriend: I'm pretty sure I used the same command as in 10
[2:43] <x545> I think its not a problem with powerd, is some level(s) deeper
[2:43] <x545> maybe kernel level, because of the missing dmesg message
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[3:12] <devslash> i cant reset my pi password
[3:12] <devslash> i booted in reovery mode but it wont let me change it
[3:12] <devslash> can anyone help me out
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[3:14] <devslash> is anyone here
[3:14] <friendofafriend> Sure.
[3:14] <devslash> what do i do
[3:15] <friendofafriend> So, you've got this pi.
[3:15] <devslash> im about to reformat the card and start over
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[3:15] <devslash> im booted in recovery
[3:15] <devslash> at shell prompt
[3:15] <devslash> fs is read only
[3:15] <devslash> i cannot mount it as writable
[3:16] <devslash> is there anything else i can try before i format the sd card
[3:16] <friendofafriend> Sure, plenty of stuff.
[3:16] <devslash> like what
[3:17] <friendofafriend> You could put the SD card into another Linux machine, mount the rootfs, edit /etc/passwd.
[3:17] <devslash> what would i do in that file
[3:18] <friendofafriend> It's the "pi" user you've forgotten the password to?
[3:18] <devslash> pihole is the userrname
[3:19] <friendofafriend> OK, so we'll use the entry for "pi" as an example.
[3:19] <devslash> in /etc/passwd it shows pihole at the end of the line it says /usr/sbinnologin
[3:19] <devslash> in /etc/passwd it shows pihole at the end of the line it says /usr/sbin/nologin
[3:19] <friendofafriend> Oh, well even if you knew the password there's not much you're doing with nologin as your shell.
[3:20] <devslash> well forget about that
[3:20] <anothertorusr> could mount it , then chroot to / as root and change it ?
[3:20] <devslash> i want to log in as pi
[3:20] <devslash> i cant
[3:20] <devslash> i trieds that already it doesnt work
[3:20] <friendofafriend> Right, if there's no user "pi" in /etc/passwd, you could certainly add one.
[3:20] <devslash> there is
[3:21] <friendofafriend> OK, and "pi" is the user with the password you can't remember?
[3:21] <devslash> yea
[3:21] <friendofafriend> OK, no big deal.
[3:21] <friendofafriend> You'll have a line like: "pi:x:1000:1000:,,,:/home/pi:/bin/bash"
[3:21] <devslash> i cant edit the fs
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[3:22] <friendofafriend> Yeah, which is a bit of an interesting problem in general. Can you edit the rootfs by inserting the SD card into another Linux machine?
[3:23] <anothertorusr> friendofafriend, yes you can do it on with a livecd
[3:23] <devslash> maybe but i wpuldnt know what to do
[3:23] <anothertorusr> chroot'ing will allow it
[3:23] <devslash> maybe but i wouldnt know what to do
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[3:23] <anothertorusr> sec, i think i have what i did for a rehl box awhile back
[3:23] <friendofafriend> Right, so you'd insert the SD card into your Linux machine.
[3:24] <friendofafriend> It will probably appear as /dev/sdb, and your rootfs will probably be something like /dev/sdb2.
[3:24] <friendofafriend> You'd make a mount point, like "mkdir /tmp/pi"
[3:24] <friendofafriend> And then a "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /tmp/pi".
[3:25] <friendofafriend> And then you'd edit your /etc/passwd like "sudo vi /tmp/pi/etc/passwd".
[3:25] <anothertorusr> not quite, you need to map sys to it as well
[3:25] <friendofafriend> You don't need to map a dickie bird to it.
[3:26] <devslash> ok then ?
[3:26] <devslash> im in passwd
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[3:26] <devslash> the pi line looks like this: i:x:1000:1000:,,,:/home/pi:/bin/bash
[3:27] <devslash> the pi line looks like this: pi:x:1000:1000:,,,:/home/pi:/bin/bash
[3:27] <anothertorusr> you should chroot into your mount point, then as root just do passwd pi
[3:27] <friendofafriend> No.
[3:27] <friendofafriend> Look, just remove the "x" in that user's line.
[3:27] <devslash> how do i do that
[3:27] <devslash> chroot
[3:27] <friendofafriend> So it says "pi::1000:1000:,,,:/home/pi:/bin/bash" instead.
[3:27] <devslash> it doesnt work for me
[3:28] <devslash> chroot fails with an error
[3:28] <friendofafriend> Or you could use nano, or emacs, or some GUI text edit.
[3:28] <friendofafriend> editor**
[3:28] <devslash> i did sudo chroot /tmp/pi
[3:28] <devslash> can i just manually edit the file
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[3:28] <devslash> and remove the x
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[3:28] <friendofafriend> Yes, just the "x". There's no reason to chroot anything at all.
[3:29] <devslash> so itd read :: instead of :x: right ?
[3:29] <friendofafriend> Easy peasy, first day UNIX class stuff.
[3:29] <poisonby> Is there a good casting server for raspberry pi? I've tried RaspberryCast but the rcast.py script it comes with doesn't work with any of my files.
[3:29] <friendofafriend> You got it.
[3:29] <devslash> this isnt first day unix stuff
[3:30] <devslash> this is unix has gone batshit crazy stuff
[3:30] <friendofafriend> Oh, not even a little bit. Easy stuff. Edit a file.
[3:30] <anothertorusr> im curious how / why you set pi to nologin :)
[3:30] <devslash> i didnt
[3:30] <friendofafriend> That was the "pihole" user.
[3:31] <friendofafriend> So once you have that :x: gone, that line looks like "pi::1000:1000:,,,:/home/pi:/bin/bash". Save the file.
[3:31] <devslash> yep
[3:31] <devslash> rwbooting now
[3:32] <devslash> rebooting now
[3:32] <friendofafriend> Yeah, so normally you'd umount the card and just remove it.
[3:32] <devslash> yea
[3:33] <friendofafriend> But, doesn't really matter. You've got the file edited, gently place the SD card back into your Pi, boot it up, the user "pi" will no longer have a password.
[3:33] <friendofafriend> And you'll want to immediately run the passwd command to set one.
[3:34] <devslash> ok thanks
[3:34] <friendofafriend> You're welcome, did that work out?
[3:34] <devslash> yes it did thanks
[3:35] <devslash> setting up a pi hole server
[3:35] <devslash> give me back my pi hole ...
[3:36] <friendofafriend> Hey, glad to hear it. Good luck setting PiHole up.
[3:36] <devslash> thanks
[3:36] <friendofafriend> You're welcome.
[3:36] <devslash> its already set up actually i stopped using it a while ago. decided to start using it again
[3:37] <friendofafriend> Cool, the Pi is pretty handy for blocking ads.
[3:37] <anothertorusr> 160k a month for me
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[3:38] <friendofafriend> anothertorusr: Especially nice for devices that don't have ad-blockers.
[3:38] <poisonby> It's just a hosts list blocker, right? It's pretty limited in what it can do.
[3:39] <anothertorusr> insert every tv provider
[3:39] <anothertorusr> no its a DNS blocker
[3:39] <poisonby> Oh
[3:39] <devslash> yea
[3:39] <anothertorusr> so it propogates across your network
[3:40] <shauno> same thing really. doing it with dns just means the lists are available to your whole network. the actual mechanics are no different to a hosts lists
[3:40] <friendofafriend> Absolutely this. --^
[3:41] <anothertorusr> DNS gives single point of management
[3:41] <anothertorusr> functionality is the same though
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[3:41] <friendofafriend> And even if you've got some custom firmware on your router, your blocklist is much bigger than your RAM.
[3:42] <friendofafriend> So blocking at the router on some small office/home office device is pretty much out of the question, and there's a five dollar device to save the day. Really fantastic.
[3:43] <anothertorusr> yup, plus its good to find out what is chatty on your network
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[3:47] <friendofafriend> I guess it's interesting to see what users would otherwise be getting lots of ads. You shouldn't see many requests blackholed for a system that already has ad-blocking software.
[3:48] <friendofafriend> If you're looking to keep tabs on your LAN's traffic, tcpdump running on your router and piped to Wireshark is pretty easy to setup.
[3:51] <shauno> I mostly find pihole nifty because it covers every device on my network, but also every application. Almost everything talks to the net these days, but only browsers get active adblockers
[3:51] <shauno> (but active adblockers will catch things pihole can't. good news, you can have both!)
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[3:56] <trollboy> anyone ever run multiple kodi's on the same network w/ mysql & a shared smb share?
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[3:59] <friendofafriend> trollboy: Having a problem with it?
[3:59] <anothertorusr> why..?
[4:01] <trollboy> yeah, was wondering if there was a blessed config or a nice tutorial I'm missing
[4:03] <shauno> mostly just https://kodi.wiki/view/MySQL
[4:03] <shauno> I haven't done this for years, but I don't recall it being messy
[4:03] <trollboy> mine's being.. annoying
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[4:20] <devslash> does anyone else here use pi hole
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[4:26] <friendofafriend> devslash: Sure, what's up?
[4:28] <devslash> pi hole works if i configure the client to use my pi hole ip as the dns but if i set the pi hole ip asd the dns in my router it doesnt work
[4:28] <devslash> no sites load
[4:29] <friendofafriend> What DNS servers are you using in Pihole?
[4:29] <devslash> i dont remember
[4:31] <friendofafriend> I'd make sure Pihole isn't looking to your router as a DNS server, maybe looking to your ISP or Cloudflare, Google, OpenDNS, something like that.
[4:32] <devslash> i chose one of those during set up
[4:33] <devslash> opendns
[4:33] <devslash> i dont think its working at all
[4:33] <devslash> it seems very unreliable
[4:34] <devslash> im using this site as a test https://ads-blocker.com/testing/
[4:35] <devslash> i disable ublock in my browser
[4:35] <devslash> i disabled ublock in my browser
[4:35] <devslash> when i load the page it still shows the ad even after setting my laptops dns to my pi hole server
[4:36] <devslash> the only way to truly block it is to reenable ublock
[4:36] <devslash> meaning, pi hole is broken/useless
[4:39] <friendofafriend> There might be something wrong with your installation. I'll bet there's a way to make it work. ;)
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[4:42] <friendofafriend> You might check your /etc/resolv.conf file, and see what DNS servers are listed there.
[4:43] <friendofafriend> And there's a neat article about setting up Pi-Hole on their website. https://discourse.pi-hole.net/t/how-do-i-configure-my-devices-to-use-pi-hole-as-their-dns-server/245
[4:44] <friendofafriend> It seems they recommend using the router for DNS, so clients on your LAN can resolve each other's hostnames. I guess you'd have to make sure your router is offering DNS.
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[6:22] <Snert> cool website. pihole is taking out all the ads for me.
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[6:24] <Snert> normal pihole operation is for all your devices to use pihole for dns. I paid no attention to that stuff about your router providing dns.
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[14:18] <Fulgen> (gonna ask in this channel too, sorry for potential spam) I want NetworkManager to automatically connect to a shared ethernet connection on the usb0 interface which gets provided by the eem.usb0 function in configfs which gets written on each boot; however, it doesn't autoconnect although it's set in the connection settings. how can I get this to work?
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[16:51] <randombuilds> Hey Everyone, I'm putting the ultrasonic sensor onto my raspi using the equipment included in the cam jam 3 kit. I was just wondering about the wires. It comes with a bunch but they are all either white or green. In the diagram for putting the sensor on it has red, green, blue, purple and brown wires.
[16:52] <randombuilds> Am I missing some wires or do the colours not matter
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[16:52] <randombuilds> for reference i'm following this guide
[16:52] <randombuilds> https://github.com/CamJam-EduKit/EduKit3/blob/master/CamJam%20Edukit%203%20-%20GPIO%20Zero/CamJam%20EduKit%203%20-%20Robotics%20Worksheet%206%20(GPIO%20Zero)%20-%20Distance.pdf
[16:57] <randombuilds> It's cool, I skipped one of the worksheets that explains exactly what i'm needing to know
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[17:03] <akk> randombuilds: Colors don't matter, they're just to make it easier for you to trace the wiring.
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[17:32] <r3> I don't know, every time I grab a red or yellow wire, it's bitey and hurty, but that never happens with black wires. The color must matter!
[17:33] <r3> ...white ones that I find in the walls are especially angry...
[17:34] <r3> [ randombuilds, I'm trying to be funny, don't listen to me, akk had it right, good luck with your build! :) ]
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[17:46] <Khaytsus> I knew a guy once that would replace wires that weren't the right color. Even if he knew the pinout was right, but the 'wrong' colors... How he determined the 'right' colors, not sure... maybe whatever the first one he used was the template
[17:48] <HighInBC> this is why you never depend on colour of wire for safety
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[17:51] <Khaytsus> Nep
[17:51] <Khaytsus> I've seen people mix up N and G on house wiring too
[17:51] <r3> if anyone else, ever, was going to need to understand a mass of wires I cobbled together, I would probably make them the correct/common color. At the very least use red/yellow/black for things that could be disastrous if hooked up wrong... Why else do I have a dozen spools of different colored wire?! ;)
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[17:52] <Khaytsus> r3: Fair enough. Odd it wasn't right to start with
[17:53] <r3> I've found myself gravitating towards certain colors for functions I run across a lot, like yellow/green for serial RX/TX - blue for PPS or similar - stuff like that... even though it wouldn't be disastrous to get wrong, it makes it easier for me to "see" what I'm doing. Of course, there aren't enough colors sometimes!! :)
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[17:58] <r3> Khaytsus: as far as house wiring, I always leave that to a professional, I'm not getting involved. Partially because I'm sure the insurance company would love to know who "fixed" the wiring before the house burned down ;)
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[18:01] <mfa298> I've bought a few mains things made of the finest chinesium and found the mains wires often wired as blue for live and brown for neutral - most of the world (I think including China) the standard is the other way around.
[18:02] <mfa298> the important lesson is always check rather than assuming things.
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[18:07] <r3> yow! yes, very true, always check!
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[18:20] <r3> 88 kV transmission line breaks over 13.8 kV distribution line - São Paulo, Brazil 12 Jan 2019 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foWOAztCRb4 ] EEK!
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[18:21] <r3> that's what I think will happen if I fool with house wiring ;) heheh
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[19:08] <HighInBC> r3: geeeeez
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[19:12] <RcHaCk> HighInBC
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[20:37] <Wafficus> hi there, question about port forwarding, I tried following this article, but am stuck on the specific router settings for port forwarding, can anyone help me out since this article left me high and dry: https://opensource.com/article/17/3/building-personal-web-server-raspberry-pi-3
[20:38] <Wafficus> I am able to access my router's port forwarding settings, and have all my raspberry pi specific ip and connection related settings written down, but in terms with opening up ports on my router, I'm a bit lost
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[20:45] <Reedy> https://portforward.com/
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[20:57] <friendofafriend> Wafficus: You might be better off just using upnpc.
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[20:58] <friendofafriend> ("sudo apt-get install miniupnpc")
[20:59] <friendofafriend> And from there, you can just use uPnP to pop ports on your router. "upnpc -a <my_lan_ip> 80 8000 TCP" and hey, my web server is on WAN port 8000.
[21:01] <Wafficus> friendofafriend: is that secure though?
[21:01] <mfa298> that assumes the router supports upnp and has it enabled (which can be a security risk)
[21:03] <friendofafriend> Your router probably has uPnP enabled, I don't think I've seen any SOHO equipment with it turned off.
[21:03] <friendofafriend> Forwarding a port from the WAN to the LAN is *always* a security risk. It doesn't matter if you're using uPnP or setting the forward in your router manually.
[21:05] <mfa298> upnp is usually seen as a greater risk than doing it manually. If Upnp is enalbed then any nefarious software you run can randomly open up ports you won't know about or want. At least if you manually open ports you know they're there and choose if you want that hole open or not.
[21:07] <friendofafriend> Sure, a mechanism by which any host on the LAN can open ports to the WAN without the admin? It's not great. The problem really started with the nefarious software, and by the time there's something evil running it can do anything. Talk back to its C&C server, whatever.
[21:08] <friendofafriend> But forwarding ports from the WAN to the LAN, by its very nature, carries some risk.
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[21:10] <friendofafriend> So unpacking, "Is that secure?" Port forwarding is not "secure", in general. uPnP is not a great way to do it, but once it's been done the service is no more or less secure than doing it manually in the router.
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[21:13] <rigid> just my monthly standard question: has anyone heared of any alternatives to pibakery?
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[21:16] <friendofafriend> rigid: What does pibakery not do that you want?
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[21:20] <gordonDrogon> I keep thinking it might be to do with food, however.. )-:
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> (mostly because I have a Pi in my Bakery)
[21:21] <friendofafriend> gordonDrogon: I'd get a loaf shipped, but I fear it'd arrive stale.
[21:22] <rigid> friendofafriend: it doesn't work without node.js or another heavy framework
[21:22] <friendofafriend> rigid: Then just replace it with a shell script, it's not doing any black magic.
[21:24] <friendofafriend> Like, it's got some "Setup WiFi" section. That's just wpa_supplicant.conf .
[21:25] <friendofafriend> It's got something about running a script "On Every Boot", hello to you /etc/rc.local .
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[21:28] <friendofafriend> I'm enabling/disabling audio? config.txt. I'm automatically installing packages at boot? "apt-get update && apt-get -y install foo".
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[21:31] <rigid> friendofafriend: yeah, but you quickly end up with a not-so-trivial app. Especially the repository for "plugins" is a killer feature. Some lightish bash/python app I would use everyday. There is so much repetetive stuff that involves a lot of typing even with script snippets
[21:32] <rigid> and it's not uniform. It's awesome if you can configure a fresh image just by selecting stuff from a list and maybe insert some (preset) parameters like SSID/wpa secret
[21:33] <rpjsf> rigid: you can do that pretty easily with a templated /boot/wpa_supplicant.conf file you just drop onto each new SD card
[21:33] <rigid> the idea of pibakery totally makes sense, it's just that node.js is somewhat horrible to admin on a source-distro without docker or a VM
[21:33] <rpjsf> rigid: have you looked at Balena (nee Resin.io)?
[21:34] <friendofafriend> So, I'm just kind of crusing through https://github.com/davidferguson/pibakery/tree/master/pibakery-blocks
[21:34] <friendofafriend> I don't understand what part is not trivial.
[21:34] <rigid> rpjsf: yeah. And then there's a ton of other stuff like configuring GPU or install your set of packages you always need for.
[21:34] <rigid> friendofafriend: the node.js part is not trivial.
[21:34] <rpjsf> rigid: yeah, true, but that's what Balena is for
[21:35] <rpjsf> rigid: I mean, it'll literally spit out bit-perfect images you can just flash on SD cards...
[21:35] <rigid> rpjsf: no, never heared of it
[21:35] <friendofafriend> rigid: I'd never suggest you use node.js, I'm asking what function it's supplying you that's the "killer feature".
[21:35] <rpjsf> rigid: oh sorry, yeah I thought you were talking about Balena! definitely check it out, it's incredible
[21:36] <rigid> friendofafriend: pibakery is based on node.js. The killer-feature function is that you can have plugins for repetitive tasks in a repository where team-members can contribute.
[21:37] <friendofafriend> rigid: Have you ever taken a look at the actual "blocks" themselves? It's just a tiny shell script.
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[21:37] <rigid> no, it's a python script, a json definition (versioning etc.) and a shell script
[21:38] <friendofafriend> Yes, so you can do whatever PiBakery is doing with no overhead of node.js.
[21:38] <rigid> but yes, something lightweight that interprets those blocks would be awesome.
[21:39] <rigid> how?
[21:40] <friendofafriend> It looks like most of those blocks aren't acting on the image, but happening on first boot.
[21:41] <friendofafriend> Put all the scripts into a tarball, untar on first boot, and string together the features you want. Hey, I want vncenable.sh to run.
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[22:31] <phantombeta> Heya
[22:32] <phantombeta> I have a question about the GPIO input voltage
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[22:32] <phantombeta> I know the GPIO inputs are 3V3 tolerant, but could it harm the Pi if the voltage is slightly higher? (3.4~3.6V, specifically)
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[22:36] <rpjsf> phantombeta: slightly higher you'll probably be OK, but it is *not* recommended. if you really expect to be significantly over 3v3 you should account for it (a simple resistor of the appropriate value would suffice)
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> technically you'd need 2 resistors, howeve a resistor an zener has been use for protection like this in the past.
[22:36] <rpjsf> oh shoot yeah gordonDrogon is right, thanks for noting that
[22:37] <phantombeta> Thanks
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> I've seen people use a single resistor just to limit the current through the esd protection diodes.
[22:37] <rpjsf> and yeah I've used a linear regulator in the past for something like this, was just trying to quickly think of the cheap/easy way
[22:37] <phantombeta> I'm trying to interface an Arduino Nano with the RPi through GPIO
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> use usb serial.
[22:38] <phantombeta> Won't really work for my purposes
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> then power the arduino off the Pi's 3v3 supply.
[22:38] <phantombeta> I'm using the Arduino for a controller for RetroPie
[22:38] <rpjsf> aren't Ardunios 5V devices?
[22:38] <phantombeta> Yep
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> actualy, that's not that good an idea, however ...
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> isn't the nano a 3v3 one?
[22:39] <phantombeta> The microprocessor itself can run at 3V3 (and is designed to do so)
[22:39] <rpjsf> yeah I'd be careful then phantombeta, 5V logic on a 3V3 GPIO and you're gonna have a bad time :)
[22:39] <phantombeta> Yeah
[22:40] <rpjsf> I learned that one first-hand awhile ago #ripRPImodel2 #letthesmokeout :D
[22:40] <phantombeta> Which is why I'm planning to not have the Arduino's digital pins go directly to the GPIO
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> well good luck - bed time here.
[22:41] <phantombeta> The question is actually exactly because of that - the easiest method is to use a transistor with the 5V through a resistor at the base, with the collector going to the Arduino's 3V3 rail and the emitter going to the GPIO
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[22:42] <phantombeta> But it seems the 3V3 rail doesn't seem to be regulated too well
[22:42] <phantombeta> So it's at about 3.5V
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[22:43] <rpjsf> ahhh I see what you're getting at... yeah I'd think that'll be safe, if it's coming from a "regulated" rail I wouldn't expect any significant spikes
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[23:11] <pulsar12> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ uptime: 22:11:10 up 503 days
[23:12] <pulsar12> how about yours
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[23:45] <friendofafriend> pulsar12: Read it and weep. "17:44:56 up 1 day, 2:29, 1 user, load average: 1.05, 0.97, 0.93"
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[23:48] <x545> re
[23:48] <x545> hi, I have an old raspi1 and upgraded from freebsd 10 to 12, now powerd isn't working like in 10 anymore, I always get when starting powerd: powerd: no cpufreq(4) support -- aborting: No such file or directory | does anybody know why?
[23:48] <x545> even in dmesg no mesg about cpufreq is shown, but kernel object is loaded
[23:48] <x545> irssi is running on rpi-b, wo feel free to post commands for issi to get more info
[23:49] <friendofafriend> Neat, was powerd invoked differently on FBSD 10.x?
[23:49] <x545> friendofafriend: no, same
[23:50] <x545> maybe kernel level, because of the missing dmesg message
[23:50] <x545> I think its not a problem with powerd, is some level(s) deeper
[23:50] <friendofafriend> What are you seeing in dmesg that's different from 10.x?
[23:51] <x545> friendofafriend: I'm not 100% sure if there was a kernel msg in 10
[23:52] <x545> but howtos state that there should be a msg in dmesg|grep cpu with 10
[23:52] <x545> but nothing in 12
[23:52] <friendofafriend> Are you only getting that error message, or is the processor not throttling also?
[23:53] <x545> in 10 there was an output after starting powerd about power states, in 12 I don't know how to find out what cpu freq is currently set
[23:54] <x545> how to find out in 12?
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[23:56] <friendofafriend> Probably "sysctl dev.cpu.0".

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