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IRC Log for 2019-01-22

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[0:09] <_unreal_> wish I could find one of these old computers I'm looking for.... trying to find a "virgin webplayer"
[0:09] <CoJaBo> a wat
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[0:11] <_unreal_> its an old internet computer from early 2k
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[0:12] <_unreal_> if your less then 25 or younger prob never heard of it
[0:12] <_unreal_> was new 19 years ago
[0:15] <toresbe> heh, yeah, we had something like these bundled with an ISDN product
[0:16] <Bitweasil> Was that one of those "email and e-Superhighway terminal" things?
[0:16] <toresbe> The "SmartPhone"
[0:16] <toresbe> https://dms-cf-01.dimu.org/image/012uLXWzp8F4?dimension=1200x1200
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[0:20] <pi0> sorry i had to set away
[0:20] <pi0> ethernet to usb?
[0:20] <pi0> friendofafriend: so far good, just trying to multitask school and arduino/raspberry pi projects
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[0:22] <friendofafriend> pi0: Dropping out is always a wise option.
[0:23] <pi0> lol
[0:24] <Bitweasil> pi0, what are you trying to do, exactly?
[0:24] <Bitweasil> SSH over usb is a bit of a nonsense statement without more explanation.
[0:25] <Bitweasil> As SSH is a network stream protocol.
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[0:36] <BCMM> i mean, you *can* do networking over usb...
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[0:38] <Bitweasil> Sure, but that's an odd way to phrase the question.
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[0:50] <nuxil> howdy..
[0:51] <friendofafriend> Hey there, nuxil.
[0:52] <nuxil> i got a pi 3b... i do like to install some 64bit system on it.. where do i start looking ? afik raspbian is only 32bit.
[0:53] <Bitweasil> Why do you want a 64-bit system?
[0:54] <Bitweasil> For hardware with 1GB RAM, 32-bit binaries are smaller in RAM, as pointers are smaller.
[0:54] <Bitweasil> And can address all reasonable memory.
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[0:57] <Bitweasil> If you're doing massive memory mapped file IO, I can see the desire for 64-bit, but... a Raspberry Pi is not typically the platform one would use for that.
[0:57] <nuxil> do i need a special reason? i can list up few.. like not pissing away 1/2 of the billions of transisors on cpus regiters. its faster doing misc math calulations. float etc.
[0:57] <Bitweasil> I don't think register files are half a CPU's transistors.
[0:57] <Bitweasil> And the execution hardware is the same for both paths.
[0:58] <stiv> until you get over 4gb of mem, there is little point in 64 bit OS
[0:58] <Bitweasil> In any case, https://github.com/bamarni/pi64 might be a good place to start.
[0:58] <nuxil> i didnt come to talk why i want 64bit. im asing for suggestions for distors that made arm64|aarch64 distros.
[0:59] <nuxil> *asing-> asking
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[0:59] <stiv> we're just discussing the reasons that might be hard to find. don't let us slow you down!
[1:01] <Bitweasil> In that case, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Raspberry+Pi+64-bit+OS
[1:01] <Bitweasil> Go build it.
[1:01] <nuxil> and memory limitations isn a issue. you can always toss in a usb disk and set up a swao with whatever you need .
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[1:01] <nuxil> *swap
[1:01] <nuxil> a bit slow tho :p
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[1:02] <Bitweasil> I'm not sure Pi64 supports the 3B+, but if you've got a 3B, try it.
[1:02] <nuxil> Bitweasil, pls thats just trolling..
[1:03] <Bitweasil> If you've got over 3GB of swap in use, for a single process, that process isn't going to be very well running.
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[1:03] <Bitweasil> It's not a total limit on the machine, it's a per-process limit, typically.
[1:03] <Bitweasil> but with 1GB physical RAM, any process actually using over 2-3GB of RAM is going to run like shit.
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[1:06] <Bitweasil> There are images from 2017 here: https://github.com/bamarni/pi64/releases
[1:06] <Bitweasil> I wouldn't expect much in the way of update support, though.
[1:06] <nuxil> been looking at that.. and yea.. i think its too outdated.
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[1:10] <Bitweasil> So go build an updated version - should be fine with a cross compiler, though I don't envy the task.
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[1:11] <nuxil> :\
[1:11] <Bitweasil> I'm not aware of any supported and up to date 64-bit install for the Pi.
[1:11] <Bitweasil> So you're off into build it yourself weeds.
[1:11] <Bitweasil> Gentoo might do something...
[1:12] <Bitweasil> https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi3-64bit looks like it's promising, if you're OK with gentoo.
[1:12] <nuxil> i was looking at this though. https://github.com/drtyhlpr/rpi23-gen-image
[1:15] <nuxil> i dont know jack about gentoo :p i been a deb user most of my linux time, once in a while tried fedora but quicly swaped back to a deb based system.
[1:16] <Bitweasil> I still don't understand why you're running into limitations of a 32-bit system on a Pi that requires 64-bit.
[1:16] <Bitweasil> beyond "It's a 64-bit chip so I insist on a 64-bit OS."
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[1:19] <Bitweasil> I'm off, later.
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[3:00] <ekaj_> Does anyone know of a reliable ~10 dollar or less pH sensor, or how to possibly build one? I am seeing quite a few for 50+ but I don't need something with super high accuracy
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[3:06] <friendofafriend> ekaj_: You're talking about a pH sensor that will be constantly submerged?
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[3:08] <ekaj_> friendofafriend: yes
[3:08] <friendofafriend> ekaj_: You might find this thread interesting. https://www.reddit.com/r/arduino/comments/8jiwu6/anyone_know_of_any_ph_sensors_that_can_operate/
[3:09] <friendofafriend> pH probes can be kind of pricey when you need constant readings.
[3:09] <ekaj_> that's what I've noticed so far..
[3:10] <friendofafriend> Will you be using this for, say, hydroponic applications?
[3:12] <ekaj_> haha no, this would just be a pool
[3:13] <friendofafriend> Don't worry, I won't report you. The sensor's materials become a bigger concern when they're in systems producing a product for human consumption.
[3:14] <friendofafriend> Some are Teflon-coated, some have heavy metals, unfriendly plastics.
[3:14] <friendofafriend> And you don't want your next kid to come out with a blowhole or fangs.
[3:14] <ekaj_> naw not for human consumption, athough when I was looking for sensors earlier i did come across pi-reef or something
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[3:17] <friendofafriend> There are some purpose-built devices that are a couple hundred bucks. If you're already looking at spending that on an IP68 housed Pi, some I2C pH sensor, and the fixin's, that might make sense.
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[3:20] <friendofafriend> Conversely, if you're looking at doing dosing to manage pH, a Pi system would probably be more economical. Or at least a lot more open.
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[3:29] <ekaj_> nah, I was mainly looking for something very cheap I could use with some other stuff on an arduino
[3:29] <ekaj_> or small ic of some type
[3:30] <pi0> friendofafriend: i found a place i can park my pi at
[3:30] <pi0> but i need to be able to access it remotely
[3:30] <pi0> the router does not support port forwarding
[3:30] <pi0> are there free services that can offer some or of middle
[3:31] <pi0> were i connect the pi to the server
[3:31] <pi0> then i connect to the server
[3:31] <ekaj_> vpn
[3:32] <pi0> hmm
[3:33] <ekaj_> or use public host as a jump box
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[3:39] <pi0> public host? like?
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[3:48] <friendofafriend> The router does not support port forwarding, pi0?
[3:48] <friendofafriend> Not even by uPnP?
[3:49] <pi0> cheap tplink
[3:50] <pi0> not even ddwrt
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[3:52] <friendofafriend> OK, most routers support uPnP and it's usually on by default.
[3:52] <friendofafriend> I use this client called upnpc, you can get it with a "sudo apt-get install miniupnpc".
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[3:57] <veegee> I'm getting excellent performance from the sandisk extreme pro 64GB micro SD cards on the raspberry pi
[3:58] <veegee> sequential 40MB/s read and 30MB/s write with the SD card overclock setting
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[4:03] <friendofafriend> What sort of performance were you seeing before overclock?
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[4:16] <pi0> unpnp?
[4:16] <pi0> friendofafriend: how do i go about working this out?
[4:31] <friendofafriend> Oh, it's not very hard at all, pi0.
[4:32] <friendofafriend> A command like "upnpc -r <port> TCP" should do it. You don't even need root.
[4:44] <pi0> hmm
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[6:10] <veegee> friendofafriend 20MB/s read, 20MB/s write (sequential)
[6:11] <veegee> this card can operate in UHS-1 mode and easily sustain 90MB/s write
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[6:21] <friendofafriend> Hey, that's really fantastic. Is it only for the Pi3?
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[7:27] <pi0> friendofafriend: do you have a blog or tutorial website?
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[7:37] <friendofafriend> pi0: For upnpc?
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[7:46] <friendofafriend> pi0: The man page is a couple dozen lines long, there's really not much to miniupnpc. Once you have a command that works for you, put it into a script and drop it off in /etc/cron.daily/ (because uPnP forwards expire after a while).
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[8:00] <pi0> but were do i forward to tho?
[8:01] <pi0> not sure how upnp works
[8:01] <pi0> is it like noip?
[8:05] <friendofafriend> Nope, it's a command that you run that will open ports on your router and forward them.
[8:05] <friendofafriend> You don't need to be root on your Pi, you don't need to be admin of the router.
[8:07] <friendofafriend> So, to find your external IP address, you can just run a "upnpc -s| grep Ext".
[8:08] <friendofafriend> When you open a port with upnpc, it will be opened on that external IP address and forwarded to the port on the Pi that you specified.
[8:09] <friendofafriend> You can also forward ports from the outside to other systems on your LAN.
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[8:22] <voi> im installing pihole and the installer is stuck on [i] Using interface: eth0 , [i] Using Google DNS servers. The correct interface would be wlan0 not eth0. where do i set this/how do i fix this?
[8:27] <friendofafriend> voi: Is the wlan0 interface up?
[8:29] <pi0> i will give it a shot
[8:29] <friendofafriend> The pihole install script checks to see if there's more than one interface up. If there's only one, you will not get a dialog to choose the interface you wish. That part of the script starts at line 563.
[8:29] <pi0> i heard of pi hole
[8:29] <pi0> looks nice
[8:30] <voi> friendofafriend, yes, its (the only one) up. actually i just noticed that the pi died on the install script
[8:30] <friendofafriend> OK, bring up wlan0 and you should have the option to select between interfaces.
[8:30] <voi> i was connected to it via ssh and now i cant (ping) it anymore
[8:32] <voi> eth0 is not used so id think its stuck trying to contact google dns servers through eth0
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[8:32] <friendofafriend> Then it might be best to down eth0.
[8:33] <voi> how do i down eth0
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[8:34] <friendofafriend> How do you up wlan0?
[8:34] <voi> there is nothing connected to the eth0 port. shouldnt it be down?
[8:36] <friendofafriend> Sure, it's not trying to connect through a disconnected interface.
[8:36] <friendofafriend> If you'd like to manage the interface in the usual way, you can install net-tools with "sudo apt-get install net-tools"
[8:37] <friendofafriend> Then you'll get wonderful utilities like ifconfig, which will allow you to easily manage your interfaces by simply typing "sudo ifconfig <your interface> up" or "sudo ifconfig <your interface> down".
[8:38] <voi> depricated tools like ifconfig
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[8:39] <friendofafriend> Time-tested, trusted, well-documented tools like ifconfig.
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[8:42] <shiftplusone> Oof... you won't take it well when it's no longer installed by default on most distros or stops working. It'll be systemd all over again.
[8:43] <friendofafriend> Oof, enjoy using that hot mess that's supposed to replace it.
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[8:44] <shiftplusone> I don't like it either
[8:45] <shiftplusone> but hey... the devs have decided that's what we're using now and I trust that they have good enough reasons. Better get used to it early then be forced to later.
[8:46] <friendofafriend> The devs can decide that for themselves, trusting them is what got us systemd.
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[8:51] <shiftplusone> which does the job and makes it easy to write services without 50 lines of boiler-plate.
[8:52] <shiftplusone> anyway, to each his own
[8:52] <friendofafriend> Enjoy that million lines of code, then.
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[8:52] <shiftplusone> doesn't affect me as a user in any way. What bugs me is that most bugs are treated as features.
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[8:55] <friendofafriend> Replacing Linux subsystems has been folly after folly.
[8:56] <friendofafriend> And it's spearheaded by people who want Linux to act like something else, usually something they did on Windows.
[8:58] <shauno> nah, you just don't notice the ones that went well
[8:58] <shauno> still using ipchains? or have you finally admitted that iptables had good reasons for replacing it
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[8:59] <veegee> not sure why they say you need a 2.5A power supply for the 3B+. I'm powering it off a lab power supply and it's drawing like 600mA under full load
[8:59] <shiftplusone> iptables? isn't that deprecated now?
[8:59] <shiftplusone> veegee: spikes and usb devices
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[9:00] <shiftplusone> limit the bench supply to 600mA and try playing a video off a USB hard drive
[9:01] <friendofafriend> shauno: There was no scope creep.
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[9:02] <shauno> what's the scope creep in iproute2? that it actually supports the kernel's features?
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[9:04] <friendofafriend> iproute2 has a disgusting interface, there's been tools for years to do what it does.
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[9:05] <shauno> no, there's been tools for years to do half of what it does
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[9:05] <friendofafriend> Right, they've shoehorned the functionality of a suite of utilities into an ugly set of command options.
[9:07] <friendofafriend> And then took away the package of the old utilities, and people just acquiesce "because there must be some reason".
[9:07] <shauno> because it hasn't been updated since 2001 and doesn't support all the modern kernel interfaces?
[9:08] <shiftplusone> Why would you need to update perfection? /s
[9:08] <shiftplusone> perfect since 2001 =P
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[9:08] <friendofafriend> It was updated more recently than 2001.
[9:09] <shiftplusone> upstream or by distro maintainers?
[9:09] <shauno> it hasn't been maintained since 2001. debian shoe-horned in the odd security fix, but there's no upstream anymore
[9:09] <friendofafriend> And it would have been easy enough to emulate the old tools by way of iproute2.
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[9:09] <shauno> it was a horrible shim adopting bsd's tools for a network stack they weren't designed for
[9:10] <shauno> and died when there was finally a tool that supported native interfaces
[9:10] <friendofafriend> In fact, that's how the developers of iproute2 got the change swallowed, was that they'd write a wrapper that made it work like ifconfig.
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[9:11] <shauno> the bit that bugs me isn't that people insist on being wrong. it's that they still teach tools that have been dead for 18 years to newcomers, so that they can be held back too
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[9:12] <friendofafriend> I guess there was no care taken to preserve the workflow, oh well.
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[9:14] <friendofafriend> That's a pretty hard argument, to say people were being "held back" for a decade and that some tool has freed them. People figured it out before, and you don't go tossing everything because of some edge case.
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[9:20] <friendofafriend> So, installing net-tools it is. And it was daffy to remove it in the first place.
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[9:33] <immibis> friendofafriend: if you don't like it then maintain it
[9:34] <friendofafriend> immibis: Works fine, nothing to maintain. Fix your own edge case.
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[9:35] <immibis> friendofafriend: multiple IP addresses on an interface? how do I fix that exactly without deleting them?
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[9:38] <friendofafriend> immibis: Make a subinterface. Or better yet, use ip if it floats your boat.
[9:39] <immibis> subinterfaces are deprecated
[9:39] <immibis> because they're weird and don't work like you'd think
[9:39] <friendofafriend> They might not work like you think they should, and that's fine.
[9:40] <immibis> subinterfaces were a hack
[9:41] <immibis> and what about ipv6 where a normal interface usually has multiple addresses?
[9:41] <friendofafriend> You can use whatever utility that makes it easy for you, which I see is not a courtesy given to the utility that's been around since 1986?
[9:41] <immibis> well ifconfig doesn't support multiple ip addresses on an interface, other than ones created using the hack that's only used by ifconfig
[9:42] <friendofafriend> Well, then go maintain the code. Or use iproute2.
[9:42] <immibis> um... I do use iproute2. you were the one telling me to use ifconfig
[9:42] <immibis> you were saying to go fix my edge case so it works with ifconfig
[9:43] <friendofafriend> You got it, go fix the code yourself if you don't like it. No one is making you use iproute2.
[9:43] <immibis> I don't not like it. I am fine with it
[9:43] <friendofafriend> Then that's great. I'm happy you have a utility that works well for you.
[9:44] <friendofafriend> And nobody should have removed ifconfig, likewise.
[9:44] <immibis> you should update ifconfig so it handles things like multiple IP addresses
[9:44] <immibis> then it won't be outdated, and that will help you persuade people to add it back
[9:44] <friendofafriend> Why, because of your use case? I don't care about it, it doesn't bother me.
[9:45] <friendofafriend> If it bothers you that ifconfig doesn't do your bidding, you may fix it.
[9:45] <immibis> it's deprecated because it doesn't handle several use cases, some of which are now considered normal
[9:45] <immibis> that is the reason it is deprecated
[9:45] <immibis> if it bothers you that it is deprecated, then fix the reason it is deprecated
[9:46] <immibis> nobody wants to ship broken tools
[9:46] <immibis> they would rather ship a tool with more functionality and less broken cases
[9:47] <friendofafriend> So, to recap. It was broken in Linux for 25 years, and people suffered horribly, and now iproute2 saves the day?
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[9:47] <friendofafriend> Because people were suffering with the old tools for... 25 years? And did nothing?
[9:47] <immibis> no, it was broken since linux gained more advanced networking capabilities
[9:48] <immibis> I'm sure it used to be the case that an interface could only have one IP address and it had to be IPv6
[9:48] <immibis> IPv4*
[9:48] <immibis> actually, I see my version of ifconfig (at least) does display multiple IPv6 addresses. I thought I remembered that's what was broken but maybe it was something else
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[9:48] <friendofafriend> Hey, I'm proud of you for having ifconfig installed, immibis! Good thinking.
[9:48] <immibis> you can't use it to set multiple ip addresses, other than the alias device hack)
[9:49] <friendofafriend> ..."my version of ifconfig". Right on! Way to go, net-tools user!
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[9:50] <friendofafriend> And it ended up there because it worked. And it still does for most of what anyone will ever do with it.
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[9:51] <immibis> what are you even complaining about
[9:52] <shauno> it'll do multiple ipv6 but not multiple ipv4. it won't (can't) show much detail about the v6 though
[9:52] <friendofafriend> Complaining? That it's not installed by default, like it always has been and should absolutely still be.
[9:52] <immibis> just install it
[9:53] <friendofafriend> Oh I do, and I tell others to do the same. And it works like it always did.
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[9:54] <shauno> which is "poorly", if your networking is any more advanced than "I can haz ip address?"
[9:54] <friendofafriend> It is kind of awkward to install a networking tool before the network is up, but that's clearly short-sightedness of Debian and they deserve condemnation.
[9:54] <immibis> shauno: are there any major missing features other than multiple IPv4s?
[9:55] <shauno> vlans, and lifetimes on v6 temporary (privacy) addresses
[9:55] <shauno> I mean, the lifetimes are there because _lft is in the kernel. you're just not allowed to know what the value is because it's still 1998
[9:56] <immibis> friendofafriend: also you could use ip to bring your networking up
[9:57] <friendofafriend> Oh sure, ip... some dev in there and link and some set? Or, I could use ifconfig <interface> <action>.
[9:58] <immibis> you actually can't use ifconfig <interface> <action>. that is not the syntax for ifconfig
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[9:59] <friendofafriend> Let's see, "ip link set dev eth0 up", a grab bag of options that could literally make as much "sense" in any order. And 24 characters, to boot.
[10:00] <friendofafriend> And "ifconfig eth0 up", 17 sweet characters. Does what it says. Utility, interface, up or down. And for almost every box I'm going to deal with, that's basically it.
[10:01] <immibis> well "dev" is optional
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[10:45] <fs31> I followed the instructions to make rasp. 3 b+ to work as an access point and I didn't even got to the "Using the Raspberry Pi as an access point to share an internet connection (bridge)" step and I already can access internet using the rasp. AP. How can that be correct if I don't even set it to use a bridge mode from ethernet cable to wifi?
[10:46] <fs31> This is the instructions page https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/access-point.md#internet-sharing
[10:49] <friendofafriend> fs31: You are using NAT, and not a bridge.
[10:50] <friendofafriend> fs31: The second part of that page is for setting up a bridge.
[10:51] <fs31> oh, right. And using NAT should be fine to use the rasp as a AP, right?
[10:52] <friendofafriend> Probably. NAT translates addresses between two different networks. Bridging makes one big network.
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[10:53] <fs31> I mean, people connected to the AP will not be able to ssh some other computer in the local network that is not connected to the rasp AP, right?
[10:53] <fs31> ok
[10:53] <fs31> that's great. Thank you!
[10:53] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome. Have a good day1
[10:54] <fs31> friendofafriend: thank you! Have a good day too!
[10:56] <fs31> By the way, I'm getting some red lines on dmesg about the network driver. I'm a bit worried, can you take a look? https://0bin.net/paste/EdhFFRP4bw1gkYUp#OCM4PVgQNZ5dXG8I4bTrxcAPKH7fkAeYwAm70l35FI3
[10:56] <fs31> It seems like its informational only, but it's in red color.
[10:56] <friendofafriend> All that is just fine.
[10:57] <fs31> Great, thank you once more
[10:57] <friendofafriend> And again welcome. Good luck, fs31!
[10:58] <fs31> Thanks. You yoo
[10:58] <fs31> too*
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[11:29] <fs31> friendofafriend: I have done now all the instructions and in the beginning the rasp AP was set with a fixed IP 192.168.4.1 and now, with the bridge, it's not the fixed anymore. Now my rasp AP is 192.168.2.1
[11:30] <fs31> what's going on here? The bridge mode is supposed to ignore the fixed ip?
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[13:22] <echoSMILE> does anybody installed raspbsd?
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[13:28] <Habbie> echoSMILE, do you have a question about it?
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[13:31] <echoSMILE> if is stable
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[15:56] <sb79a> Hello, somebody created a rpi image which can boot from a server? (not from local network, eg from main server)
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[16:59] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. I have a pi with 2 wifi interfaces. interface a has internet access, interface b doesn't. I can't access the internet at all until I disable interface b with ifconfig down. Ive had this in the past and remember there was something I could do to stop outgoing traffic attemptin interface b but I can't remember what it was, may have been something with wpa-cli disabling an interface but i might be misremembering. can anyone help?
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[17:02] <stiv> something about the default route?
[17:03] <DrunkenDwarf> stiv, that was it I think
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[17:05] <DrunkenDwarf> oh wow, this page is horrible https://m.wikihow.com/Add-or-Change-the-Default-Gateway-in-Linux full screen screenshots for each terminal command
[17:06] <DrunkenDwarf> nvm, its better when not using the mobile version on desktop :P
[17:06] <Fulgen> because text is just too easy
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[17:10] <stiv> Fulgen, i recommend youtube vids of the command line. that way you don't have to read anything!
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[17:19] <Fulgen> stiv: why, do they hack my PC and enter the commands themselves? :p
[17:20] <stiv> heh. that's what happens when you plug your PC into the power grid
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[17:42] <DrunkenDwarf> stiv, okay, so I did what I thought i remembered doing and removed the default route with the ipaddress of interface b, but that stopped all traffic :(
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[17:57] <stiv> i can believe it. the default route is the one used by default - when there isn't any specific route to a host
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[17:58] <DrunkenDwarf> stiv, ahh, there were 2 default routes listed, i removed the one from the interface which has no internet
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[21:09] * shbrngdo scrollback - DrunkenDwarf, when you want to have multiple possible gateways for network traffic, you always run into problems trying to set it up. In general, just use one of them as your gateway. no need for multiple gateways.
[21:09] <shbrngdo> oh wait, looks like he left
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[21:19] <Bitweasil> Unless you're doing split route stuff.
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[22:11] <veegee> Does the Pi 3 B+ have any reverse polarity protection on the USB power input?
[22:11] <veegee> I accidentally wired the cable backwards and plugged it in for a few secodns
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> veegee, I'm fairly sure it has, however... How can you plug a usb cable in the wrong way?
[22:15] <Habbie> 'wired', not 'plugged'
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> ah ... hmmm.
[22:15] <veegee> gordonDrogon haha I made a custom cable to plug into my lab power supply
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> right.
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> so does it work when wired up the right way?
[22:15] <veegee> but I did it while under the influence of stuff
[22:15] <veegee> yeah it works just fine
[22:16] <veegee> but that doesn't mean something isn't damaged
[22:16] <veegee> because when I plugged it in initially, I saw that it was pulling 3 Amps immediately
[22:16] <veegee> so that 15W went somewhere
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> you can get the schematic of the power input from the raspberrypi website.
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> I think there's a sacrificial diode.
[22:16] <veegee> I yanked it out immediately when I saw that, after about 1 s or so
[22:17] <veegee> I heard something about an ideal diode but that should mean zero power draw
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> there's a 5A Zener diode.
[22:18] <veegee> ah that's where it went then
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> they dropped the ideal diode on the 3 from what I can tell.
[22:18] <veegee> ok great, luckily I current limited the bench power supply to 3A
[22:18] <veegee> thanks!
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> it's after the polyfuse, so that would trip eventually anyway.
[22:19] <veegee> I'm glad I decided to sacrifice a USB cable for this instead of powering it directly via the pin header
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> oh it's not a zener - that's just the diagram they used on the schematic. its: https://www.littelfuse.com/products/tvs-diodes/surface-mount/smbj/smbj5_0.aspx
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[22:33] <Bitweasil> veegee, does the unit still work? If yes, count yourself lucky. The 3B+'s power supply is a bit fragile.
[22:33] <veegee> oh it's a TVS
[22:33] <Bitweasil> ... also, if you're wiring your own USB cables, wire yourself up a little tester to check pin polarity. Those connectors are confusing at times. :/
[22:33] <Bitweasil> TVS?
[22:33] <veegee> but it's a TVS operating in its forward region
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[22:34] <Bitweasil> Oh, diode.
[22:34] <veegee> transient voltage suppressor
[22:34] <Bitweasil> Or, "protection gizmo."
[22:34] <Bitweasil> Clamp to 5.5V or so on the normal side, short it if you hook up backwards?
[22:34] <veegee> so it was still eating the reverse current
[22:34] <veegee> not quite short, but low voltage, I'm guessing less than 1V
[22:34] <Bitweasil> I mean, at 3A, that could be in the microUSB connector alone. :/
[22:34] <Bitweasil> The 3B+ cannot be properly powered from USB.
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[22:36] <veegee> according to the datasheet https://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/electronics/datasheets/tvs_diodes/littelfuse_tvs_diode_smbj_datasheet.pdf.pdf of the TVS, the forward voltage is < 1.5V for the current I limited it to
[22:36] <veegee> so worst case, the electronics suffered a reverse voltage of 1.5V
[22:36] <veegee> probably didn't damage anything at such a low voltage
[22:36] <veegee> and everything works fine, just ran a pretty thorough test
[22:37] <Bitweasil> Yeah, should be fine then. Just don't do it again. ;)
[22:37] <veegee> lesson learned, don't do electronics drunk
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> just don't do drunk.
[22:37] <veegee> well what's life without a bit of alcohol eh
[22:37] <CoJaBo> Don't do anything drunk.
[22:38] <Bitweasil> I have a standing policy to not do battery work, or anything with a soldering iron, while drinking.
[22:38] <Bitweasil> Too easy for something to go wrong.
[22:38] <Bitweasil> Also, more than a beer or so in, sysadmin is out.
[22:38] <Bitweasil> "Thou Shalt Not Root and Drink"
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> a bit of alcohol - fine. too much, not.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> anyway...
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> that's just my take on it all.
[22:39] <Bitweasil> gordonDrogon, said like a >35 year old. ;)
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Bitweasil, well yes - quite a bit > 35 ...
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[22:40] <Bitweasil> That's about when my tolerance dropped off from "Yeah, I can have a few and be perfectly fine the next morning" to "... unk, what the fuck, someone shut off the sun..." the next morning.
[22:40] <Bitweasil> Doesn't mean I don't then get up and pretend I'm fine, while feeling like shit until 2PM, but... yeah.
[22:41] <Bitweasil> You also don't metabolize it nearly as well and it turns straight to GUT.
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> Bitweasil, we like to keep it more family friendy here ...
[22:41] <Bitweasil> Ok, fair.
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[22:41] <Bitweasil> In any case, wiring up power cables while drinking is a bad idea.
[22:42] <Bitweasil> And I do wish the Pi foundation would put a proper power jack on the Pi3B+.
[22:42] <Bitweasil> Because you can push it up to 2A without peripherals, and doing that over microUSB without massive sag is nearly impossible.
[22:42] <Bitweasil> You have to be pushing 5.5V at the source end to get 5V at the Pi.
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[22:59] <veegee> Bitweasil depends on the cable
[22:59] <veegee> I have a very thick cable
[22:59] <stiv> an interesting example of how changing requirements creates 'bugs' in a design.
[23:00] <veegee> also if you have remote sense, it doesn't apply
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[23:00] <veegee> the bench power supply adjusts to keep it at 5V at the target
[23:01] <veegee> which is why I made a custom cable, so I can wire the remote sense wires at the end of the cable to make sure voltage doesn't sag. It's also a linear supply with very low noise and ripple, and very fast transient response
[23:01] <veegee> so very high quality power for the pi
[23:01] <Khaytsus> I just bought a $7 charger
[23:02] <veegee> once you get a few quality bench power supplies, you'll never go back
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[23:02] <veegee> it's also pretty necessary for any analog electronics work
[23:04] <Bitweasil> Link to your PSU? I've got a cheapo China Analog one that's good for 60V/5A, but I usually feed it into a buck converter that's a lot more precise.
[23:04] <Bitweasil> haven't messed with remote voltage sense, not a bad idea, though.
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[23:40] <bltzfsck> I can't seem to switch my keyboard from UK to US
[23:41] <HighInBC> try removing the K and the S and switching their locations
[23:41] <bltzfsck> " and @ are swapped, and # gives me the english pound sign
[23:41] <Habbie> also desolder the pound sign from the bottom of your 4
[23:41] <Habbie> bltzfsck, raspi-config can fix that
[23:41] <HighInBC> jokes aside, did you go through the raspi-config?
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[23:42] <bltzfsck> Habbie: i've run it several times, but it doesn't change anything.
[23:42] <Habbie> uhm
[23:42] <Habbie> you need to also pick the right items in there
[23:42] <bltzfsck> yea, that's what I said
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[23:43] <Habbie> .. ok
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[23:43] <HighInBC> I have always chosen from the list, but it has another option to work with you to figure it out
[23:43] <bltzfsck> well, there are about twenty logitech kbs
[23:43] <bltzfsck> i've tried several, all with us configuration, but nothing yet
[23:44] <HighInBC> I have always just chosen the default, which is US style keyboards
[23:44] <bltzfsck> seems like the changes aren't getting saved
[23:44] <Habbie> it's not about the brand
[23:44] <Habbie> tell us what you did in raspi-config exactly
[23:44] <HighInBC> ah, are you saving when you exit?
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[23:47] <bltzfsck> item 4, localisation options- change keyboard layout-select logitech cordless Desktop-English (US)- default layout- no compose key- not to terminate x-server- then there's a flash message about start and stop functions being deprecated, then it's done
[23:48] <Habbie> ok
[23:48] <Habbie> are you in X?
[23:48] <bltzfsck> nope
[23:48] <Habbie> given the flash message, did you try a reboot?
[23:48] <bltzfsck> nope
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[23:48] <bltzfsck> think that would cause it to be written?
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[23:48] <Habbie> i suspect it's written
[23:49] <Habbie> but the flash message might mean it's not in effect
[23:49] <Habbie> which a reboot would correct
[23:49] <bltzfsck> as an alternate, where do the brits hide # ?
[23:49] <bltzfsck> i just want to use irssi, and i can't join this channel without it
[23:49] <Habbie> i'm not sure
[23:49] <Habbie> might be an alt trick
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[23:49] <bltzfsck> dern brits
[23:49] <Habbie> because they added the GBP
[23:50] <Habbie> to a keyboard layout that had no room to spare
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[23:50] <bltzfsck> what file does raspi-config write?
[23:51] <bltzfsck> maybe i can edit it by hand
[23:51] <Habbie> raspi-config calls dpkg-reconfigure <something>
[23:51] <Habbie> did you try a reboot?
[23:51] <bltzfsck> doing it now
[23:51] <BurtyB> bltzfsck, we don't hide it there's a # key
[23:52] <Habbie> BurtyB, where?
[23:52] <BurtyB> to the left of enter on mine
[23:52] <bltzfsck> brits take everything to the left
[23:53] <bltzfsck> simple reboot did it
[23:53] <bltzfsck> i love you habbie
[23:53] <Habbie> <3
[23:53] <Habbie> it's weird that you needed that, though
[23:53] <Habbie> sounds like a bug
[23:53] <bltzfsck> that's what i thought too
[23:54] <bltzfsck> let's just call it a feature
[23:54] <Habbie> did you do anything weird, like replacing systemd with something else?
[23:54] <bltzfsck> oh no
[23:54] <friendofafriend> (As in, "better"?)
[23:54] <Habbie> friendofafriend, no.
[23:55] <friendofafriend> Habbie, yes.
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[23:55] <bltzfsck> i'm gonna cut out and come back on my pi machine
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[23:56] <bltzfsck> and I'm back with a full deck o' keys
[23:57] <Habbie> :)
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