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IRC Log for 2019-01-30

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[0:00] <hodapp> yes, of course
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[1:07] <Mibix> so i think that RPI permanently ruined my sdcard
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[1:09] <Snert_> can you reformat the SD card?
[1:09] <Mibix> nope
[1:10] <Mibix> tried in ubuntu, win 10, dispart, easus
[1:10] <Mibix> *diskpart
[1:10] <Mibix> fcsk doesnt like it either
[1:10] <Mibix> think ill just start using a SSD instead
[1:11] <Snert_> 1st time this has happened? It might just be an ill timed coincidence
[1:12] <Mibix> first time i havent been able to format an sdcard :/
[1:12] <Mibix> it was running on my 3b+ for a month or two though
[1:12] <Snert_> maybe the card just went byebye.
[1:12] <Snert_> all on it's own
[1:12] <Snert_> now if it happens a 2nd time....
[1:13] <Mibix> its a nice sandisk though
[1:13] <Mibix> i can still access the partitions
[1:13] <Mibix> just cant write or format
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[1:18] <fairytaleTrash> how old is the SDcard? too much data being written and erased will cause it to go read only. I've had this happen to a few over the years, especially the ones used in my helmet cam on my bike
[1:19] <fairytaleTrash> I got one replaced for free from Sandisk because it was less than 12 months old
[1:20] <toastintheshell> Is it typical for plugging in a usb device to force a sudden reboot on a pi0w?
[1:20] <Mibix> ehh i dont think its that old
[1:21] <fairytaleTrash> generally happens as the sd card becomes degraded. supposedly you can clear the read only flag through diskpart
[1:21] <fairytaleTrash> i've never tried that though
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[1:21] <Mibix> if im going to run from an SSD and used a sata to usb connector can I just use something like etcher like i do for microsd?
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[1:21] <Mibix> dont want another micro sd
[1:23] <fairytaleTrash> sorry, haven't done that. All of my RPi devices are running from sdcard.
[1:23] <fairytaleTrash> but anything that has any type of storage requirement is using an external drive, or USB memory sticks
[1:24] <friendofafriend> You'll want to follow this, Mibix. https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
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[1:24] <Mibix> ty
[1:24] <friendofafriend> You'll have to boot the Raspi once from SD card.
[1:24] <friendofafriend> Very welcome, anytime.
[1:24] <Mibix> god damn sd cards
[1:24] <Mibix> lol
[1:24] <Mibix> i dont want to get another one
[1:25] <Mibix> oh i have the 3b+ so it looks like i dont have to do that :D
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[1:28] <Mibix> i cleared the attribute!
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[1:31] <friendofafriend> Hooray! All working now, Mibix?
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[1:33] <Mibix> nope it didnt do anything lol
[1:35] <Mibix> very weird i can create new folders in the FAT partition
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[1:38] <friendofafriend> Sure, you should be able to make folders there.
[1:39] <Mibix> even if its read only?
[1:40] <Snert_> what brand is it
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[1:40] <Mibix> sandisk 64gb
[1:40] <Snert_> seems good 'nuff
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[1:41] <Mibix> this lil guy bf
[1:41] <Mibix> https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B073JYVKNX/
[1:41] <Mibix> lol weird
[1:41] <Mibix> -bf
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[1:49] <friendofafriend> Mibix: If you can make folders in /boot, the card isn't read only.
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[2:05] <toastintheshell> does anyone here use a graphical interface with the pi0w?
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[2:08] <toastintheshell> I'm thinking I'd like to have mine set up with lightdm and i3 just on the occasion I feel like really messing with it, but keeping it in multiuser.target so it only runs X manually
[2:09] <toastintheshell> having some trouble getting it working though, lightdm worked fine when installed, then after installing i3 it just goes to black, never loads
[2:09] <toastintheshell> tried purging lightdm and reinstalling, same issue
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[2:12] <toastintheshell> any ideas?
[2:13] <Mibix> friendofafriend why cant i delete boot though haha
[2:14] <Mibix> trying this wipe function in easeus
[2:15] <toastintheshell> is the pi0w even usable enough in the gui to bother? I figured i3 wouldn't be too resource hungry, mostly just plan on running multiple terminal emulators and occasional gui programs
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[2:25] <friendofafriend> toastintheshell: Have you tried running startx directly?
[2:26] <friendofafriend> Mibix: I don't understand. Are you having problems putting the image onto your SSD?
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[2:39] <toastintheshell> friendofafriend: I'll try that
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[2:39] <toastintheshell> hm, no startx or xinit on here apparently
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[2:40] <toastintheshell> oh wait, I just uninstalled lightdm again, haha, let me try after reinstalling
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[2:52] <toastintheshell> hm, still the same issue after reinstalling, I did an upgrade between the first time I ran it and when it stopped working, might have broken something there
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[3:03] <toastintheshell> I suppose it's really not necessary to run a dm at all, just a habit installing one I guess...
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[3:21] <Mibix> friendofafriend no i dont have the cable to hook my ssd up yet
[3:21] <Mibix> still trying to get the sd card working again lol
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[4:12] <BenderRodriguez> Mibix: teach me x86 assembly
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[4:56] <aos> Hi everyone -- I have a question
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[4:56] <aos> I'm setting up my pi to be accessible via the interweb
[4:57] <aos> I have it behind a router so I'm wondering about port forwarding
[4:58] <aos> Right now I picked some arbitrary router port (64xxx) and forwarded it to my pi's port 22 for ssh
[4:58] <aos> So far so good as it allows me to ssh into the pi from the net (via my public IP)
[4:59] <aos> But i was wondering what port I should forward if I want to have an nginx reverse proxy
[4:59] <aos> If I want to have some services running on my pi
[5:00] <aos> the reverse proxy will live on the pi
[5:00] <aos> Do I also need to forward to my pi's port 80, and then open that port up to my reverse proxy?
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[6:16] <bbenz> I'm using a simple flask app to change the colors of an RGB LED
[6:16] <bbenz> the light is flickering when I run it in the flask app, but it's fine otherwise
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[10:22] <EdwardIII> ok using the offical rpi power adapter now. no more power errors in hte log but when i try and start it up i see errors in dmesg, it's still saying "EXT4-fs error..." and system-fstab-generator failed with error code 1
[10:22] <EdwardIII> bust sdcard?
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[10:23] <EdwardIII> (i reflashed it)
[10:23] <friendofafriend> You'd have to post the error log to a place like http://paste.debian.net or something.
[10:23] <friendofafriend> It's unlikely to be the SD card if you successfully reflashed it.
[10:25] <EdwardIII> hmm i'm not sure of a way to get the errors off of the device, because it's mounted the drive ro (or a bit of it, it's just showing something like 4g out of 64g on df -h) i can't get networking or anything working
[10:26] <EdwardIII> and it won't have been able to write any logs either for that reason by the looks of it so i can't just pull the sdcard out and mount it i think
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[10:27] <friendofafriend> That's kind of the pits. So you've reflashed the card, your PC doesn't have any problems writing it. Have you tried another SD card?
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> you can test the sd card if yo can login to the pi using the badblocks command.
[10:29] <EdwardIII> friendofafriend: hrm don't have one, but going to order one now
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> sudo badblocks -c 256 -s /dev/mmcblk0
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> that does a read-only test.
[10:29] <EdwardIII> gordonDrogon: let me try that
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[10:30] <gordonDrogon> if it passes that, then I'd try re-imaging it again.
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> it will take some time - maybe 10 miuntes, depending on the card size but the -s flag gives you progress indicator.
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[10:34] <EdwardIII> i love progress indicators. that's running now, thanks for the pointers both
[10:35] <friendofafriend> EdwardIII: Always welcome, good luck.
[10:36] <EdwardIII> i am using a crappy sdcard writer? maybe that could be a factor?
[10:36] <EdwardIII> although i would guess the verify would still fail in that case?
[10:39] <EdwardIII> it has worked OK for sdcard writes for other things though
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[11:42] <faLUCE> Hello. I have an "official" power supply (5V 2A) for pi2: can I use it for pi3+
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[11:45] <shiftplusone> "official" or official? If official, yes, although 2.5A is recommended. If you see under-voltage warnings, you should consider upgrading.
[11:46] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: upgrading what? the power supply ?
[11:46] <shiftplusone> yes
[11:47] <shiftplusone> but it depends on what you've got plugged into the usb ports and what you're doing. The 2A may be fine.
[11:47] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: I have to run home assistant (with the GUI) on it
[11:48] <shiftplusone> I'd say try it and see if you get any undervoltage warnings
[11:48] * divx118 gets reminded to upgrade the 2A powersupply on his pi3, because of occasional under-voltage warnings.
[11:49] <faLUCE> where do I see the under-voltage warnings ?^
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[11:49] <divx118> faLUCE dmesg
[11:49] <faLUCE> ok thanks
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[12:03] <shiftplusone> You'd also see a lightning bolt in the top right corner, if you have a display attached.
[12:05] <faLUCE> When the raspberry connects to the LAN Wi-fi, it receives a LAN IP with dhcp. How can I set a "name" for the raspberry, so I can reach it by the name instead of the IP ?
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[12:06] <shiftplusone> you can set the hostname, but it's up to your router and your dns settings whether you can resolve IPs of local devices based on their hostname
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[12:07] <shiftplusone> You can try to ping raspberry.local (if you have avahi/bonjour installed) or something like raspberry.home (as mentioned above, that may or may not work)
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[12:13] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: why it could not work?
[12:13] <Alina-malina> how docker containers run on rpi? Is there a sence to run a small docker with linux container and run some website inside on rpi?
[12:14] <Alina-malina> maybe there is lightweight docker container exist?
[12:14] <shiftplusone> because it depends on your own network hardware and configuration, not the pi.
[12:14] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: it's a normal router
[12:14] <faLUCE> home router
[12:15] <shiftplusone> there's no one normal router, there are millions of normal home routers.
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[12:15] <shiftplusone> Alina-malina: to get full docker support, you'd need to build the kernel with some features which are currently disabled. There should be an issue open on github which lists those options.
[12:15] <BurtyB> hrm isn't it "raspberrypi.local" ?
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[12:15] <tvm_> Alina-malina: why not just run it natively ?
[12:16] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: in cases where avahi/bonjour is installed
[12:16] <Alina-malina> tvm_, well i want to separate it from my main system
[12:16] <Alina-malina> shiftplusone, ok thanks i will look for another solution then
[12:16] <tvm_> Alina-malina: the performance is not going to be great
[12:16] <shiftplusone> Alina-malina: systemd-nspawn may be another way to accomplish what you want.
[12:16] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, was re the missing "pi" in what you said ealier
[12:16] <Alina-malina> thanks shiftplusone
[12:17] <tvm_> Alina-malina: what kind of website/app is it ?
[12:17] <Alina-malina> tvm_, ummm nginx
[12:17] <shiftplusone> BurtyB: oh right, yes. My mistake, sorry.
[12:17] <tvm_> Alina-malina: and the web code ?
[12:17] <Alina-malina> its static html
[12:17] <tvm_> then i'd just install nginx and would call it a day
[12:18] <Alina-malina> probably i guess it might be the solution
[12:18] <tvm_> yeah, with static html and no deps, there's no reason for docker
[12:19] <Alina-malina> well, its going to be run as hidden service to access from outside to my home
[12:19] <Alina-malina> i am behind double NAT
[12:19] <tvm_> that doesn't changes anything i guess
[12:19] <tvm_> nginx in docker is still nginx
[12:19] <Alina-malina> just another layer to protect from pirates
[12:19] <tvm_> you just could use jails or something like that
[12:20] <tvm_> but that's not linux thing really
[12:20] <Alina-malina> i dont know, i dont trust chroot, it been compromized
[12:20] <tvm_> if it's really 'static', then the attack vectors are quite limited
[12:20] <Alina-malina> i will check systemd-nspawn
[12:21] <Alina-malina> alrighty
[12:21] <tvm_> unless nginx will have security hole
[12:21] <tvm_> and that badboy has been quite secure from what i know
[12:22] <Alina-malina> well, and nginx, and tor and maybe some other technology might have security hole inside, yesterday i compile from source tor and running it separtely, still running lol
[12:22] <Alina-malina> ye nginx is good
[12:22] <shiftplusone> If the idea is to isolate the host completely in a way that prevents jailbreaking, I'm not sure that any of the container software is up to it
[12:23] <Alina-malina> yes thats the idea i guess
[12:24] <shiftplusone> Some ideas to test how protected the environment is https://github.com/earthquake/chw00t
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[12:27] <Alina-malina> hehe
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[13:20] <EdwardIII> hrm ok badblocks says "done". i guess that means it didn't find any bad blocks
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[13:24] <shiftplusone> bad block aren't really the issue with sd cards. The issue is that files end up zero length of containing random gibberish from somewhere else on the card. All while still being on a perfectly clean filesystem according to fsck.
[13:25] <EdwardIII> heh great stuff
[13:25] <EdwardIII> i think i'm going to try a fresh SD card anyway. this one was borrowed from someone else in the office so could be really old with a lot of historical use
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[13:25] <EdwardIII> "borrowed"
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[13:26] <shiftplusone> that's only an issue if you randomly power off your pi while it's actively writing or you get a fake card or you have a bad power supply. Otherwise, they're typically fine. Before a decent card dies, it will go read only, so you'll be able to copy your data off it, but I've only had that happen on 2 cards in the years I've been using the pi (since it originally came out).
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[13:30] <EdwardIII> shiftplusone: well i did a few boots where the pi was resizing on low power
[13:30] <EdwardIII> so maybe that scuppered the card
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[13:33] <shiftplusone> shouldn't permanently damage the card
[13:36] <EdwardIII> i've got like a crappy 2£ card reader/writer. it's worked fine on other, smaller SD cards so not sure if that could be a problem. but then i'd guess it would fail validation in sketcher
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[14:53] <tvm_> RW issues were on older RPIs, RPI3 is solid on sudden shutdowns
[14:54] <tvm_> ext3 handles the rest
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[14:55] <Khaytsus> tvm_: How would one pi to another fix you yanking the plug on a device that oculd be writing at any time
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[14:57] <tvm_> Khaytsus: journaling filesystem ?
[14:57] <Khaytsus> That hasn't changed
[14:57] <tvm_> but older RPI had some hw issues with that
[14:57] * Khaytsus blinks
[14:57] <tvm_> yep
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[14:58] <Khaytsus> Pray tell how hardware possibly makes this change
[14:58] <tvm_> on older devices we mount the fs read only unless explicit write is necessary
[14:58] <Khaytsus> Yanking the power on a drive while writing.
[14:58] <tvm_> i'm talkig about original RPI
[14:58] <Khaytsus> No the hardware does not do that.
[14:58] <tvm_> tell that to my CTO
[14:58] <tvm_> i didn't investigate
[14:59] <Khaytsus> If raspbian etc does that, I dont' know, not that I've ever seen
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[14:59] <Khaytsus> But HW? HW doesn't decide that.
[14:59] <tvm_> but with thousands of deployed devices, they probably know
[14:59] <tvm_> as they tackled the issue for months
[14:59] <Khaytsus> Every pi I've ever seen everything is R/W, including logging etc going on.. I alwys have to move it to tmpfs
[15:00] <EdwardIII> our of curiosity what's getting deployed on these thousands of devices? some kind of kiosk thing?
[15:00] <Khaytsus> Wastes a little ram, and you have to manage the space so logs don't fill up tmpfs, but it is what it is.
[15:00] <tvm_> i'm talking about deployed devices, if you deploy thousands of them and pull the plug every day
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[15:00] <tvm_> the problem will be more apparent
[15:00] <Khaytsus> tvm_: I suspect they're using an image that's ro
[15:00] <Khaytsus> Lots of people do that
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[15:01] <tvm_> i don't know, this is just the way they built the product
[15:01] <Khaytsus> Like one appliance for Pi I use, the system is RO unless you ask for an update, it remounts RW, upates, remounts RO again.
[15:01] <tvm_> yep
[15:01] <Khaytsus> So they built the _os_ to do that.
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[15:01] <tvm_> yep
[15:02] * Khaytsus blinks
[15:02] * Khaytsus goes back to work
[15:02] <tvm_> i asked them why is that
[15:02] <tvm_> and was told what i've written above
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[15:42] <Jenz> Why isn't my raspberry pi zero showing up in dmesg when I plug the usb cable in?
[15:42] <shiftplusone> Show up as what?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> the power port doesn't have data lines connected. The other port would need to be configured to show up as whatever you want, but it's not in gadget mode by default.
[15:43] <Jenz> I'm trying to achieve this: https://www.thepolyglotdeveloper.com/2016/06/connect-raspberry-pi-zero-usb-cable-ssh/
[15:44] <Jenz> And I'm using "the other port" so no problem there
[15:44] <shiftplusone> This is the definitive guide https://gist.github.com/gbaman/50b6cca61dd1c3f88f41
[15:44] * Jenz :D
[15:44] <Jenz> Thanks a ton!
[15:45] <shiftplusone> Let's see if it actually works for you. It should, but you never know.
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[15:46] <Jenz> Indeed
[15:49] <\\Mr_C\\> you probably cooked it now
[15:49] <\\Mr_C\\> jenz
[15:50] <shiftplusone> I don't think so
[15:52] <Jenz> Cooked?
[15:53] <\\Mr_C\\> nothing
[15:53] <Jenz> I got some dmesg output now: https://bpaste.net/show/de080296a1d1
[15:54] <\\Mr_C\\> just reminded me of the guy who hooked his camera to the video port and cooked the camera
[15:54] <Jenz> Though it's not looking good :/
[15:56] <CoJaBo> \\Mr_C\\: who did what now
[15:56] <\\Mr_C\\> last month some dude hooked a rpi camera to his lcd port instead of the camera port on the board
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[15:57] <CoJaBo> ..that seriously fries the camera? lol
[15:57] <\\Mr_C\\> it did his
[15:57] <\\Mr_C\\> hehe
[15:57] <CoJaBo> weird. you'd think they'd engineer to prevent that, given it will happen
[15:57] <\\Mr_C\\> felt bad for the guy
[15:58] <Jenz> Anyone make sense of that dmesg output? I don't understand what's going on there
[15:58] <\\Mr_C\\> he was here for days trying to figure out why the camera was not working
[15:59] <\\Mr_C\\> jenz, i dont, but maybe try power off both devices and trying a different usb port
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[15:59] <Jenz> I've tried both
[15:59] * Jenz :(
[15:59] <Jenz> But thanks still
[16:00] <\\Mr_C\\> is it a shitty computer?
[16:00] <\\Mr_C\\> not some old crap
[16:00] <\\Mr_C\\> its not usb 1 is it?
[16:00] <Jenz> MacBook air ~2011
[16:00] <\\Mr_C\\> try a different usb cable
[16:00] <Jenz> It's got usb2 and 3
[16:01] <\\Mr_C\\> dont use the usb 3 ports
[16:01] <\\Mr_C\\> i read they cause problems
[16:01] <Jenz> I'm not using a cable, but this: http://www.raspberrypiwiki.com/index.php/Raspberry_Pi_Zero_W_USB-A_Addon_Board
[16:02] <Jenz> I've tried with 3 different cables as well
[16:02] <Jenz> I'm fucked am I not
[16:02] <Khaytsus> I Just use an otf cable heh
[16:02] <Khaytsus> otg
[16:02] <\\Mr_C\\> try unhooking all and reseating it all
[16:03] <BurtyB> \\Mr_C\\, and Jenz you might want to re-read the channel rules (linked in the topic) re keeping it family friendly in here
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[16:03] <Jenz> Oh, sorry D:
[16:03] <ShorTie> check your connections to the pi0
[16:03] <Jenz> The chip gets quite warm
[16:04] <ShorTie> is it pogo pins ??
[16:04] <Jenz> But the led that is supposed to blink when reading the sd card is not blinking
[16:04] <Jenz> And ShorTie: the usb port
[16:04] <\\Mr_C\\> uhh
[16:05] <\\Mr_C\\> read read and read, your gonna cook something
[16:05] * Jenz ?
[16:05] <\\Mr_C\\> cook = fry = kill = blow up
[16:06] <Jenz> Um ok, well it hasn't blown up in any spectacular fashion at least
[16:06] <\\Mr_C\\> try it without that otg crap
[16:06] <Jenz> Right
[16:06] <\\Mr_C\\> is crap family related?
[16:06] <BurtyB> those sort of errors are normally connection/cable issues - if you remove the SD card and plug it in does it show up as a " new full-speed USB device" .. "Product: BCM2710 Boot" etc in dmesg?
[16:07] <Jenz> BurtyB: No, this's the dmesg output: https://bpaste.net/show/de080296a1d1
[16:07] <\\Mr_C\\> i thought uhci was usb 3
[16:08] <\\Mr_C\\> try usb 2 port
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[16:15] <Jenz> Well, now I get nothing in dmesg whichever port and whichever usb connector I use
[16:16] <Jenz> Why is life so hard :D
[16:17] <\\Mr_C\\> dude
[16:18] <\\Mr_C\\> check stuff
[16:18] * Jenz O_o
[16:18] <Khaytsus> You have a otg cable?
[16:19] <Jenz> I'll be honest, I've no idea what an otg cable is
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[16:20] <Jenz> This cable has worked for with various µcontrollers before
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[16:23] <Khaytsus> otg really just connects microusb to usb a.. General use is to like plug a USB device into a phone.
[16:23] <Khaytsus> like a keyboard, or a thumb drive
[16:24] <Jenz> Then yes
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[16:32] <deadrom> hi
[16:32] <deadrom> pi3, what reasons lead to a fullscreen rainbow?
[16:32] <mlelstv> the bootloader started
[16:33] <deadrom> so it *always* does that? ok, what reasons lead to the big rainbow getting stuck forever?
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[16:33] <mlelstv> the next thing didn't initialize the display
[16:34] <deadrom> the what?
[16:34] <mlelstv> i.e. kernel isn't found or cannot be loaded or crashes early
[16:34] <deadrom> what does that have to do with display init?
[16:34] <mlelstv> if the kernel starts it initializes the display and the rainbow goes away.
[16:35] <deadrom> what if the display at that time is in standby, say a public display / digital signage?
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[16:36] <mlelstv> you mean the monitor? why would it be in standby if it shows the rainbow?
[16:37] <deadrom> full story: Pi is switched off in the evening, when switching it on in the morning it comes up with a rainbow - well, sometimes. you power cycle it - boots as if nothing happened. what causes it one and the next not?
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[16:38] <mlelstv> could be some read error on the SD card, or the power isn't stable when switching on.
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[16:39] <mlelstv> how do you power cycle?
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[16:43] <deadrom> mlelstv: switch mains 230V, wait 5 sec, switch on
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[16:44] <mlelstv> and what kind of PSU ?
[16:45] <mlelstv> just a regular USB-charger or something else?
[16:46] <deadrom> mlelstv: it's an industry hardened wide range DC PSU board provided with this version of the pi. it is a lot "softer" than yanking out the micro usb cable
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[16:47] <mlelstv> I'm thinking about the voltage to the pi rising too slow when you power on
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[16:49] <mlelstv> since you get the rainbow, something already started. You could try a 'boot_delay=5' in your config.txt.
[16:50] <mlelstv> that's a 5 second delay for starting linux
[16:50] <mlelstv> default is 1
[16:50] <deadrom> mlelstv: *who* evaluates config.txt...? the firmware in the video chip, am I remebering this properly?
[16:51] <mlelstv> yes
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[16:51] <mlelstv> the start.elf firmware.
[16:51] <deadrom> ok, i'll try the delay, thanks
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[16:54] <anthonysalamanca> morning fellas, i've got a smart plug with usb outputs that can be controlled remotely, is there a way to use the usb ports to send a signal to a relay?
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[16:55] <anthonysalamanca> like imagine a usb male connector with leads on the other end
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[16:57] <deadrom> can one "overclock" the power drive for the USB ports? say go beyond standard 500mA when one knows only 2 ports are used?
[16:59] <mlelstv> there is a 'max_usb_current=1' setting
[17:01] <deadrom> thanks again
[17:03] <shiftplusone> that's on by default nowadays
[17:03] <mlelstv> it probably has no meaning for an RPI3. For RPI1b+ and RPI2 it gives you 1.2A combined (still 0.5A per port).
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[17:04] <deadrom> oh, so this won't increase per port anyway?
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[17:04] <mlelstv> don't think so.
[17:04] <Fulgen> deadrom: if you need that much power you might consider an active USB hub or something like that
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[17:06] <bazul> hey
[17:06] <bazul> what are some good EU shops to buy sensors and stuff
[17:07] <bazul> i'm going to buy from pimoroni and pi hut
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[17:11] <Khaytsus> bazul: find 'em on the big pi places by part number then find it elsehwere if needed?
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[17:16] <faLUCE> Hello. I want to add a touch screen (mpi3508) on a raspberry with home assistant. Can I add the firmware of the touch to home assistant image, or do I have to install this firmware (which is in a raspbian image) and then home assistant on raspbian?
[17:19] <Khaytsus> This is the problem with applicances like HA. How to add things to them that doesn't break updates in them.
[17:20] <Khaytsus> Or need to be readded every time it upates
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[17:21] <faLUCE> Khaytsus: I wonder if I can install the firmware of the touchscreen with the terminal addon
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[17:32] <Jenz> scc - are you a c compiler?
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[17:33] <scc> Jenz, interesting questions. I've never thought of that So, "maybe"...
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[17:34] <Jenz> "Indeed," that might bee...
[17:34] <Jenz> beee
[17:34] <Jenz> I meant ofc "be"
[17:35] <Jenz> Very interesting conversation this
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[17:56] <faLUCE> hello, do you know how to set the network configuration of hassos for connecting to the wifi by editing some file on the image in the sd card?
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[17:58] <stiv> is 'hassos' a typo or an actual thing?
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[18:35] <Snert_> hassos is googlable.
[18:35] <Snert_> home automation sumpin'-er-other
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[19:08] <faLUCE> hello. I flashed the image of hassos.img on a sd card, but the created file system is read-only. Is there a way to make it writable?
[19:09] <Snert_> kick it out. Put it back in and see if it's still not writable.
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[19:11] <faLUCE> Snert_: not writable yes
[19:11] <faLUCE> Snert_: not writable yet
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[20:17] <Zelink> So after installing Raspbian on my RPI, I discovered that it only has ancient version of PHP (7.0 -- 7.3 is current). Does the RPI have some sort of "management OS" which runs containers or something? Or is it way too weak for that?
[20:18] <Habbie> you can install docker
[20:18] <Habbie> containers are cheap
[20:18] <Habbie> there's no such thing as 'too weak'
[20:19] <stiv> heh. that's funny!
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[20:21] <hodapp> Zelink: something like Balena has no problem running containers on a Pi
[20:21] <fury> anyone know how to disable vsync on the pi? i'm finding it incredibly hard to google this for some reason, keep getting people who want it on, i want it off lol
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[20:30] <Zelink> What is Balena?
[20:30] <Zelink> And Docker isn't an OS but some shitty bullshit that doesn't do anything. I tried installing it on Windows recently.
[20:31] <Habbie> please mind your language, Zelink
[20:31] <Habbie> besides that, what you said is simply not true
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[20:36] <hodapp> the fact that Docker has an idiotic level of marketing surrounding it doesn't mean it's useless.
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[20:39] <Habbie> ah, resin is now balena
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[20:43] <hodapp> yeah
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[20:44] <GunArm> lol @ "docker is some shitty bullshit"
[20:45] <GunArm> not sure docker even has any marketting
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[20:45] <GunArm> just lots of people talking about it because it's so useful
[20:46] <fury> i like docker
[20:46] <Habbie> i also like docker
[20:46] <Habbie> use it a lot
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[20:47] <Pie_Mage> one thing I recently realized is that the OSX & Windows experiences for docker are terrible
[20:48] <Habbie> i use it a lot on osx
[20:48] <Habbie> i don't hate it but i definitely know what you mean
[20:48] <Pie_Mage> it feels first class on linux
[20:48] <Habbie> yeah
[20:48] <Pie_Mage> i'm pretty sure it's all the VM-ing that needs to be done under-the-hood
[20:49] <GunArm> I've only personally used it for something trivial on windows. And I really didn't learn anything, because it was so simple I was immediatly done
[20:49] <friendofafriend> It's a hot mess anywhere, solution looking for a problem.
[20:49] <H__> i still prefer lxd for containers
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[20:49] <Habbie> friendofafriend, yes, that's why i use it a lot, because it doesn't solve a problem for me
[20:50] <H__> that said, it's a different use case
[20:50] <friendofafriend> Habbie: For you, that checks out.
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[20:50] <Pie_Mage> I find it super useful for bringing up a whole application stack and doing dev on that
[20:50] <GunArm> i mean, if you think it's useless, you have no use for it
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[20:50] <GunArm> because you maybe work in a bike repair shop or something
[20:51] <Habbie> ok let's stop this topic
[20:51] <Habbie> this will not get better :)
[20:51] <Pie_Mage> nope :P
[20:51] <Pie_Mage> good call
[20:51] <hodapp> GunArm: it has a company behind it and entire conferences devoted to it. yes, it has marketing.
[20:51] <Pie_Mage> the technology-that-shall-not-be-named
[20:51] <Pie_Mage> >_>
[20:51] <Pie_Mage> <_<
[20:52] <hodapp> blaaargh. I have a .deb for OpenCV 3.x on stretch, but it depends on libavformat56, which isn't available on stretch, it looks like
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[20:52] <Habbie> hodapp, raspbian stretch vs. debian stretch?
[20:52] <hodapp> just raspbian
[20:52] <Pie_Mage> wasn't debian switched back to ffmpeg yet?
[20:53] <hodapp> no idea
[20:53] <friendofafriend> Pie_Mage: For what?
[20:53] <Pie_Mage> iirc, libav was a fork of ffmpeg, bunch of folks jumped on it (debian being one) then it lost it's steam and has been dead in the water for a bit
[20:54] <hodapp> all I know is that it always ends up being a world of pain anytime I want OpenCV 3.x on a Pi when compiling it isn't really an option (due to how things are deployed)
[20:54] <hodapp> before it was with Python where at least there was a binary wheel pip could install... but now it's with C++ where I can't as easily use said wheel's libraries
[20:54] <Pie_Mage> and so everyone is moving back to ffmpeg :P
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[20:55] <friendofafriend> ffmpeg is where it's at, pretty much. Still not getting much of anywhere with hardware h264 encoding on the Pi, though. Have you tried it, Pie_Mage?
[20:58] <Pie_Mage> I haven't, actually
[20:58] <hodapp> ugh. I guess I can use jessie instead, which has libavformat56, and hope that it has new enough packages for everything else
[20:58] <Pie_Mage> haven't had much use for video encoding past little while
[20:59] <Pie_Mage> can you change the dependency?
[20:59] <hodapp> me?
[20:59] <Pie_Mage> aye
[20:59] <hodapp> what dependency?
[20:59] <Pie_Mage> OpenCV's dependency on that package
[21:00] <Pie_Mage> if stretch has an updated package that provides the same library, it might be compatable (assuming identical ABI)
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[21:01] <hodapp> not really comfortable doing that, considering code paths that might not be easy to reach but which will break if I just try to swap out different versions of something
[21:01] <hodapp> ugh, but jessie uses an older version of jsoncpp and my code breaks
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[21:07] <GunArm> how do people usually handle the issue all your gpio sensors having to share the same power pins?
[21:07] <GunArm> does everyone make splitter header cables?
[21:09] <Habbie> i've never gotten beyond some sensors on a breadboard
[21:09] <Habbie> where the power rail makes everything easy
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[21:11] <GunArm> ah yeah I guess most people are tinkering on a breadboard
[21:11] <Habbie> yes
[21:11] <Habbie> you're in that weird grey area where you are beyond a breadboard, but you don't have a nice real board instead, i guess?
[21:12] <GunArm> and then when you actually want to put the device somewhere to do something, when you're done prototyping, you'd just make the splitter
[21:12] <GunArm> yeah
[21:12] <Habbie> i have a few projects that look like that
[21:12] <Habbie> they're super fragile
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[21:17] <GunArm> so glad I finally dived into rpi. more excited about this now than the bigger project this is meant to augment lol
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[21:21] <friendofafriend> GunArm: Point-of-sale for your bike shop?
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[21:24] <GunArm> haha
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[22:16] <colemickens> Hello. Is Zymbit very popular? Is there another RPi+TPM solution that I could look at? Maybe that isn't $40/piece?
[22:16] <Habbie> i have never heard of Zymbit
[22:16] <Habbie> what problem are you solving?
[22:17] <colemickens> I want a sealed key that will be used to unlock the root partition of the SD card.
[22:17] <colemickens> the step by step for the Zymbit is here, but I just need a TPM basically: https://community.zymbit.com/t/encrypting-your-root-file-system-on-raspberry-pi-using-luks-dm-crypt/150
[22:18] <Habbie> what's your threat model?
[22:18] <colemickens> "make it somewhat inconvenient for people to pull a per-RPi encryption key from the SD Card"
[22:19] <Habbie> 'somewhat inconvenient'
[22:19] <Habbie> i like it
[22:19] <colemickens> Actually, I could probably have the application itself use the TPM directly as well... That would remove a step/possible weak spot.
[22:19] <Habbie> normally this is where the conversation becomes painful instead
[22:19] <colemickens> Habbie: haha, I knew where it was headed.
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[22:28] <Bitweasil> colemickens, I don't know that it's popular, but it should do what you want.
[22:28] <Bitweasil> I waffle on ordering one to play with.
[22:28] <Bitweasil> But it's the only thing I've found that resembles a hardware root of trust for the Pi.
[22:28] <Bitweasil> Plus, hey, RTC. :)
[22:29] <Bitweasil> Have you considered the compute module, if "keep people from pulling the SD card" is a useful thing?
[22:29] <colemickens> Bitweasil: hm, "the compute module" ?
[22:30] <Bitweasil> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-3/
[22:30] <Bitweasil> If you're doing integration into another project that requires board design, that's a handy form factor.
[22:37] <Ben64> i've never made a board before, seems difficult
[22:37] <Ben64> but i do have a project that would be really helped by one of those
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[22:40] <Bitweasil> They're a useful little gizmo for some cases.
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[22:43] <Snert_> wouldn't we love 8gigs-o-flash and bootable from flash?
[22:44] <Habbie> Snert_, if you'll settle for four, refer just a few lines back
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[22:46] <Snert_> sweet little board for the right things
[22:47] <Snert_> looks like I have to have one
[22:47] <Bitweasil> Not too useful without a breakout for it.
[22:47] <Habbie> you'll also need some place to put it
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[22:48] <Snert_> was wondering what it plugs into... a dev mommyboard?
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[22:48] <Bitweasil> Usually, "into the equipment you've designed to use it."
[22:48] <Bitweasil> If you just need a discrete board, the Pi is the right one.
[22:48] <Bitweasil> But if you're building a Pi into something else, the compute board is a better option.
[22:49] <Bitweasil> Basically, once you get into "I'm designing a custom PCB for my product," the compute module makes sense. Otherwise, just use a Pi.
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[23:07] <plugwash> even if you are designing a custom PCB the CM is not nessacerally a better choice
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[23:11] <Bitweasil> No, but if you're /not/ designing a custom PCB, it makes no sense at all.
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[23:12] <plugwash> mostly true, the possible exception being if you want the dual-camera support.
[23:14] <plugwash> or if you are really short on space and prepared to solder directly to the CMs pins
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[23:44] <faLUCE> hello. I have to write a config file into the filesystem of an image which is on a sd card. However, I can only access this filesystem in read-only mode. I tried to remount the card in rw mode, but the filesystem is still in read-only mode. how can I solve?
[23:44] <Bitweasil> You're sure the card isn't screwed up?
[23:44] <Bitweasil> Many SD cards go into read only mode if they're fragged.
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[23:45] <faLUCE> Bitweasil: what do you mean with "fragged" ?
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[23:51] <Bitweasil> Damaged. Destroyed. Unable to service writes.
[23:51] <Bitweasil> Worn out.
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