#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2019-01-31

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[0:02] <Snert_> toss. ain't worth fooling with it anymore.
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[0:10] <faLUCE> Bitweasil: if I format the sd card with fat32 or ntfs fs, I can write into it
[0:11] <faLUCE> if I format with ext2,3,4, I have to remount it in rw mode in order to write in it
[0:11] <faLUCE> if I flash the image, I can only go in read-only mode for the card
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[0:19] <Bitweasil> Not sure, then.
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[0:30] <colemickens> Bitweasil: thanks for the link a while back, I had to run out abruptly
[0:30] <colemickens> and yeah, I would probably wind up with something like that form factor if I actually made any serious progress with my random idea.
[0:32] <faLUCE> lot of people say that a 16GB sd card for home assistant on raspberry is more than enough... why the website suggests 32 GB ?
[0:36] <ShorTie> you'd be amazed how much you can do with 50k of code
[0:37] <Bitweasil> Then Windows 10, at... what, 20GB used, should be amazing! :D
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[0:41] <taza> It rather is tbh, given the sheer range of software and hardware
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[0:42] <taza> And the recovery technology, RPi will sometimes corrupt the SD if you're looking at it wrong, say, under a light too bright
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[0:44] <taza> faLUCE The price/capacity difference between 16gb and 32gb means 16gb barely makes sense in the parts with free Amazon shipping
[0:47] <faLUCE> taza: I see
[0:47] <taza> So people just default to "you should use 32gb" even if 4gb would do the job.
[0:47] <taza> Also 32gb is a Magic Number, 64gb cards require significantly more knowledge.
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[0:51] <taza> You should at least have the one 32gb card so you can experiment, and once you know what you need, branch out from there. The wiki has a very useful list of SD cards known to work.
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[0:54] <colemickens> Looks like there's "LetsTrust" TPM that is cheaper.
[0:55] <faLUCE> taza: I see. I was aware of the current prices
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[0:55] <faLUCE> I meant: I was not informed
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[1:16] <faLUCE> well. I'm trying to add a configuration file to a flashed image of home assistant, for raspberry. However, the resulting file system in the SD card is read only. I tried with another SD card and it is still read only. how can I solve that?
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[1:23] <_rabies_> anyone know if raspberry pi are now junk for emulation due to the retroarch runahead=2 setting? Or do they actually have the power to do that with snes9x
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[1:47] <sublevel_> _rabies_: https://old.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/8ikd8c/how_far_off_are_we_from_having_runahead_latency/dysimnv/
[1:49] <_rabies_> heh, I figured
[1:49] <sublevel_> I'll take your junk pis off your hands
[1:50] <_rabies_> I tried it on bsnes and higan speed builds on a regular PC and it failed there
[1:50] <_rabies_> but works damn good on snes9x
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[1:50] <_rabies_> funny how the 2nd best emulator suddenly becomes the best due to some ghetto hack
[1:50] <_rabies_> which I'm sure enraged higan
[1:50] <sublevel_> do I understand right, this is eliminating lag that existed on the original hardware?
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[1:51] <_rabies_> supposedly all snes games have 2 frames of processing lag
[1:52] <sublevel> interesting, doesn't bother me but glad there's a fix
[1:53] <_rabies_> it really bothers me. Anytime I tried a twitch based emulator game in the past it was never that fun like super mario world, but I tested run ahead =2, audio latency set to 24ms, "Frame Delay" set to 8-10, and GPU sync = on and now it's ALMOST as good as the original hardware
[1:54] <_rabies_> I wouldn't be surprised if the sega emulator felt the same as the real hardware. I think snes emulation has always been a bit more sluggish
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[1:54] <_rabies_> so if you're testing on a PC, try those settings
[1:55] <_rabies_> and possibly set "dynamic rate audio control" from 0.005 to 0.000
[1:57] <taza> _rabies_ the sun rising is enough to enrage Higan so, yes.
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[1:59] <taza> I can be sure bsnes is the most accurate - and least useful - emulator out there because every single line is coded fueled by nothing but rage
[1:59] <_rabies_> well, that's why he re-released BSNES 1.06
[1:59] <_rabies_> because he has to compete with snes9x core now
[1:59] <_rabies_> the consumer wins!
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[2:02] <puff> Good evening, anyone familiar with robotpy? Most of what I can find about it is about putting it on platforms like roborio, hoping I can make it work on a raspberrypi.
[2:04] <_rabies_> I remember reading a higan post a long time ago and it was like "I've been learning japanese. Not sure what I'm supposed to do now. Life really sucks"
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[2:05] <_rabies_> since everyone in America is lazy, being Japanese and learning English is the real payoff, not vice versa so that you're required to work harder
[2:09] <taza> Higan sure... he sure emotionally puts his all into everything he does?
[2:09] <taza> The problem being he doesn't ask himself what he's trying to accomplish... at any point really.
[2:11] <_rabies_> well, anyone involved with video games has some motivation to learn japanese at some point. I attempted to just to play Final Fantasy V once, then gave up shortly after
[2:11] <_rabies_> because it didn't really serve me any other real world purpose
[2:11] <taza> I mean, motivation yes, but uh, I went "naah"
[2:13] <_rabies_> I wonder how learning a foreign languages compares to learning a coding language in some sort of objective metric
[2:14] <_rabies_> you would think learning a coding language would vastly outperform it, but I'm sure there's plenty of jobs in business for people *FROM* their own country to represent it that speak a foreign language
[2:16] <taza> You're trying to figure out an objective metric for a subjective matter
[2:17] <_rabies_> measured in dollar opportunities
[2:17] <_rabies_> could probably be objective
[2:17] <_rabies_> but then again, most translators are "good enough", while most coders aren't lol
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[2:19] <taza> I mean I went "nah" at Japanese because I already speak four languages, two poorly.
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[2:20] <_rabies_> like if you're a random white dude in the US that speaks Arabic or Persian, I'm sure the US military has some type of shit for you to do for $100k+ a year (probably will die in the process, but o well)
[2:20] <_rabies_> I'd guess there's lots of opportunities like that for Americans that speak Japanese and other languages too
[2:21] <Snert_> I speak C and Voltmeter. I can work in any country
[2:22] <taza> I speak binary but I have a religious commitment against converting it to any language.
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[2:24] <puff> _rabies_: My old roommate spent years learning mandarin, got his masters in asian polysci, went to China for a year for postgraduate studies. Couldn't get a job as a translator, too many Chinese people with fluent english around. Then again, that was about 20 years ago.
[2:24] <taza> Yeah there's millions of people more capable than him now.
[2:24] <puff> _rabies_: My brother speaks incredibly fluent japanese, but then he's been living in Japan for 17 years.
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[2:25] <puff> _rabies_: I've never talked with him about job opportunities back in the states.
[2:25] <_rabies_> it sounds like your roommate was trying to go to work FOR the Chinese though. In that case he would have zero advantage because the Chinese don't trust him and see him as one of their own. He would need to get a job for the US govt to make anything.
[2:25] <puff> _rabies_: Not for the chinese, no, his goal was to get into the civil service. Didn't make it.
[2:25] <_rabies_> or some type of corporation
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[2:26] <puff> Yeah, or some corporation, but again, plenty of english-fluent native mandarin speakers around for htose jobs, even in a relatively minor US city.
[2:26] <_rabies_> the only thing your roommate has going for him is plausibility that he's not a Chinese spy and can be trusted, so going into a job where there's not a benefit is going to get him nothing
[2:26] <taza> I just speak three languages and English because they're all widely used around the sea I live next to. *shrug*
[2:27] <_rabies_> *there's=that's
[2:27] <d0rm0us3> taza, which is your milk tongue?
[2:28] <taza> I don't have one. Also, that expression makes no sense in English.
[2:28] <_rabies_> how did your brother get a permit to live in japan? started as an English teacher and somehow stayed?
[2:28] <d0rm0us3> <quote> I just speak three languages and English </quote> This phrasing marks you as a non-native english speaker
[2:29] <taza> Does it now?
[2:29] <_rabies_> I think the Chinese let in English teachers and then kick them out after like 2 years so they can't get citizenship heh
[2:29] <_rabies_> or is that Japan too, I forget
[2:32] <taza> d0rm0us3 I mean I can reveal where I'm from if you reveal how that says I'm not a native English speaker
[2:32] <taza> But the answer will be a bit of a "what?" moment
[2:33] <d0rm0us3> Native English speaker would say 'I speak four languages counting English'
[2:33] <taza> This isn't true.
[2:33] <d0rm0us3> Your phrasing indicated that english isn't a language to you.
[2:34] <taza> Yeah because it's a hodgepodge of words cribbing from anything and everything.
[2:34] <d0rm0us3> s/counting/including
[2:34] <_rabies_> I don't think that's right at all. A native speaker usually lists their native language first not last o_O
[2:34] <taza> My native languages are English and Finnish, I'm afraid. I live on the edges of the Baltic.
[2:35] <taza> I listed the "three languages" because they're the ones spoken around the Baltic, meanwhile I'd have to hit the North Sea for the remaining three.
[2:35] * d0rm0us3 was picking at nits
[2:35] <taza> Finnish and English don't coexist on any sea... I may have stretched this a bit far.
[2:36] * phinxy is stretching bread
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[2:36] <taza> Your use of phrases like "milk tongue" reveals you're not quite capable of figuring out if I'm a native speaker or not, so I was wondering what you thought made me a non-native speaker.
[2:36] <phinxy> dough*
[2:36] <taza> I'm stretching pennies.
[2:37] <_rabies_> you can spot a northern Euro English speaker with ease because they're 10x more anal about grammar than a native English speaker
[2:37] <d0rm0us3> milk tongue aka birth language.
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[2:37] <taza> _rabies_ dang not even wrong
[2:38] <taza> d0rm0us3 yeah but a native speaker would use "mother tongue"
[2:38] * d0rm0us3 chuckles
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[2:38] <d0rm0us3> Not if one is a really old fart ;)
[2:38] <_rabies_> Then for Asians speaking English...it's kind of a dead giveaway hearing words like "Donna Trump" and I'm like who?? Donna Trump? Who is that??
[2:39] <d0rm0us3> And actually my birth language is American English.
[2:39] <d0rm0us3> Now that is the one that is a true amalgam
[2:39] <taza> Funny. Because, uh, well.
[2:39] <taza> Does "Michigan" say anything?
[2:40] <d0rm0us3> Algonquin?
[2:40] <taza> 'cause the last place my family could ber tracked is Newberry
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[2:42] <taza> The reason for my weird English is... halfway that I grew up mostly among Finnish-speakers but mostly my general language processing quirks?
[2:42] <d0rm0us3> Understandable.
[2:42] <d0rm0us3> Left handed by chance?
[2:42] <taza> Nah
[2:42] <taza> Got head scars
[2:43] <d0rm0us3> Ahhhh...
[2:43] <taza> I was left smarter by the incident!
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[2:43] <_rabies_> what's the left handed stereotype? They're supposed to be smarter? And serial killers or something too?
[2:43] <taza> Nah, just slight processing difficulties.
[2:43] <d0rm0us3> has to do with processing in the brain.
[2:44] <taza> Well, difficulties interacting with normal folk
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[2:44] <d0rm0us3> All of us geeks have that problem.
[2:44] <_rabies_> that's why I hate basketball, because it favors being ambidextrous, that and 7 feet
[2:44] <taza> Meanwhile I got a brain surgery that the docs said had odds of leaving me crippled. Instead, it left me smarter. And uh, paralyzed.
[2:45] <d0rm0us3> A bunch are diagnosed as 'High functioning Autistic'
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[2:45] <d0rm0us3> taza, brave choice.
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[2:45] <taza> Not really, all doctors were in agreement what would happen without the surgery
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[2:46] <aos> Whew that was a wild ride
[2:46] <aos> finally set up my pi to be an irc client
[2:47] <_rabies_> paralyzed where? everywhere?
[2:48] <taza> Left side, partial
[2:48] <taza> Can't tell where anything is
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[2:48] <_rabies_> meh, that's not too bad then. Can still eat, play video games, all the basic functions
[2:48] <taza> Heck, I can stand
[2:49] <taza> Just have to make sure where my foot is before putting weight on it
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[2:49] <_rabies_> man I fucked up my leg bad doing that. My foot was asleep and I didn't know how it was orientated and I stood up on it with my food sideways and heard a crack/pop sound
[2:49] <_rabies_> not even sure what happened
[2:50] <taza> Mayyybe not the most tactful way to put it, but yeah, it's not nearly as bad as it could be.
[2:50] <eimis> Is there a simple way to create an ALSA audio device that outputs Left-Justified I2S? I see there are overlays available for various DACs but no mention anywhere how to create a left-justifed overlay
[2:50] <taza> People generally get real upsetti when you go "yeah you're permanently disabled but that's still pretty easy"
[2:50] <d0rm0us3> Nicely phrased taza
[2:50] <_rabies_> lol, it depends on what your goals are
[2:50] <taza> Me? I've spent time in the neuro ICU.
[2:50] <_rabies_> I assumed you were not an NFL running back or figure skater
[2:51] <taza> Actually I'm from a family of olympic athletes.
[2:51] <taza> Wahh-wahh
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[2:52] <taza> That's not a joke either
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[2:53] <d0rm0us3> Roughly one in four?
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[2:53] <_rabies_> but yea, in America when I'm 99% sure I broke something in my ankle, I didn't even bother going to the hospital and just walked it off because going to the hospital would be stupid amounts of cash I'd rather spend on something else
[2:54] <_rabies_> I think I saw a medical invoice of someone being bitten by a snake and costing like $300,000
[2:54] <taza> I could claim American citizenship. I'm... not going to.
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[2:56] <_rabies_> it's better than most places simply because the communists haven't been able to confiscate the guns yet
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[2:56] <_rabies_> once they have the guns, you're a slave and there's not shit you can do about it
[2:57] <taza> Hah, communists.
[2:57] <_rabies_> bolsheviks, communists, authoritarians, whatever, all same difference
[2:58] <CompanionCube> usually the third type
[2:58] <taza> I dunno, "authoritarian" seems to pretty well match the US government... for well over a hundred years if you ain't white?
[2:58] <_rabies_> all nations without an ethnocentric majority collapse - sociology 101
[2:58] <CompanionCube> actual communists are basically a nonentity especially in the US of all places
[2:58] <_rabies_> only reason nations like China and Japan still exist
[2:59] <taza> All nations where ethnicity is legislated have collapsed thus far
[2:59] <CompanionCube> also
[2:59] <CompanionCube> >implying the guns will stop the military from raining down whoop-ass when needed
[2:59] <_rabies_> America is still just a brief experiment that is not a valid example of working multiculturalism or anything like that. The odds are far higher it will balkanize into smaller parts as Russia predicted a few years back.
[3:00] <_rabies_> not that multiculturalism is actually working here in the first place or anywhere for that matter
[3:00] <taza> Or monoculturalism
[3:01] <CompanionCube> your definition of brief stretches back to the late 1700s?
[3:01] <taza> If you think anyone talking to you about race ain't selling you something, you haven't been paying attention.
[3:01] <CompanionCube> What a weird definition.
[3:01] <_rabies_> yes, it's a short time span
[3:01] <d0rm0us3> taza +1
[3:01] <CompanionCube> on what scale?
[3:02] <taza> All opposition of multiculturalism is is someone trying to point at a scary different person while they pick your pocket.
[3:02] <_rabies_> and another reason that time span doesn't matter at all is because the US is a pretty large space that has a good bit of uninhabitated area, so the people who do not get along with other groups whether it's Mormons or whoever, often ran off into their own areas like Utah or whatever and no conflict was actually required
[3:02] <_rabies_> when you start running off space for warring facts to separate themselves in, then is when the fireworks start
[3:02] <_rabies_> *out of space
[3:02] <_rabies_> *factions
[3:03] <taza> Yeah but even if you succeed into keeping into a single faction, they'll find reasons to separate themselves.
[3:04] <_rabies_> well, that's evolution for you. The earth is a closed ecosystem caged deathmatch where entropy will create some new team then the old vs new fight to the death to see who the winner is
[3:04] <taza> Exactly
[3:04] <taza> So trying to fight multiculturalism is like yelling at entropy to stop it
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[3:04] <_rabies_> well, I was speaking about ideological terms, not a new race appearing out of the blue
[3:05] <taza> It doesn't actually matter?
[3:05] <CompanionCube> remind me
[3:05] <yLwHaTT> early mormons would dress as indians and raid stagecoach trains to start their settlement and get the govt to eradicate the native population that didnt want them there
[3:05] <taza> By the time you put racial or cultural purity on a pedestral, you're chaining yourself to a corpse that won't help you because it's a corpse
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[3:06] <_rabies_> lol, so just let yourself be invaded and destroyed by the kalergi plan?
[3:06] <CompanionCube> nice meme bro
[3:06] <CompanionCube> we're all being invaded by the scary Others.
[3:07] <_rabies_> there's a difference from natural migration or whatever and having George Soros trying to destroy your country on purpose
[3:07] <CompanionCube> oh, you did the other part for me. How nice.
[3:07] <taza> It's a country that can't stop fighting pointless wars, doing horrible experiments on its population, robbing around the world like it's going out of style or even having basic healthcare? Good riddance?
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[3:07] <_rabies_> why is George Soros' ideology superior to mine? He wants your country to be flooded with people who aren't like you, so if I say that's bad, why does his ideology win?
[3:08] <taza> The reason I know both the Kalergi Plan and the George Soros Conspiracy are nonsense is because they've not tried to hire me.
[3:08] <_rabies_> it's not like he's doing it as a favor to you or anything. He's not benevolent. His intentions are malevolent just like when he tries to destroy the currencies of nations in the past.
[3:08] * CompanionCube has never understood the obscession with George Soros...and what the hell is even the Kalergi Plan? Haven't heard that one before.
[3:09] <taza> CompanionCube Removal of the certain-skinned people to whom that shall not be done
[3:09] <taza> Again, the only reason people tell you these things so your fear keeps you from paying attention to them picking your pockets.
[3:09] <_rabies_> no, backup. Are you trying to claim George Soros is trying to flood nations with 3rd worlders out of the kindness of his heart?
[3:10] <CompanionCube> I'm claiming that he ain't doing jack.
[3:10] <_rabies_> you never rationalized ANY type of motivation for what he's doing
[3:10] <taza> He's not doing that though
[3:10] <_rabies_> lol yea right. He's been caught RED HANDED in italy running these NGOs trying to flood Italy with them
[3:10] <_rabies_> that's why Russia booted out his NGOs
[3:10] <taza> The 3rd worlders are doing it by themselves because their homes aren't great, doubly so after being robbed of their natural resources by superpowers.
[3:10] <taza> Russia would also be the country helping themselves to natural resources in the region.
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[3:12] <taza> So there's no need for anyone to flood places with people escaping horrible places, the destroyed farmland is quite enough for that.
[3:12] <_rabies_> from an economics perspective, flooding a country with unskilled labor drives down the standard of living of the host nation. So there's zero reason for anyone to support it. It's why if you try to migrate to somewhere like New Zealand, Japan, or anywhere, they basically demand you have a college degree and or lots of money to start a business
[3:12] <CompanionCube> _rabies_: so, where's the evidence to back up your claims?
[3:12] <CompanionCube> (the former one)
[3:12] <_rabies_> that George Soros runs NGOs with the goal of flooding nations with 3rd worlders?
[3:12] <taza> So if someone was trying to flood developed countries with refugees it'd make sense they'd fund kleptocracies causing strife
[3:13] <CompanionCube> yes
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[3:13] <_rabies_> this isn't common knowledge to anyone walking the earth?
[3:13] <taza> It's unfortunately false nonsense
[3:13] <_rabies_> lol, yea right
[3:13] <taza> It's told to people to keep them from realizing the actual truth
[3:13] <_rabies_> why are you pro-massive 3rd world invasion? What's in it for you?
[3:13] <CompanionCube> it's common knowledge to a certain political faction
[3:14] <CompanionCube> but that's it
[3:14] <taza> Why would I be anti-migration? What's in it for me?
[3:14] <_rabies_> I just told you. Flooding a nation with unskilled labor lowers the standard of living dramatically.
[3:14] <_rabies_> it's deflationary on wages
[3:15] <taza> Only for unskilled work.
[3:15] <_rabies_> and then it causes more people to go into colleges to compete because there's no low level jobs
[3:15] <_rabies_> nope
[3:15] <_rabies_> it causes deflation ALL THE WAY UP
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[3:15] <taza> Nah it just causes a glut of for-profit education.
[3:16] <CompanionCube> you know this argument stretches to 'having children is bad because it's deflationary on wages'
[3:16] <_rabies_> this is actually one reason why they're trying to build a wall between the US and Mexico. Debt based, fractional reserve currencies require permanent inflation or they collapse.
[3:16] <taza> So, say, if you have a private university and use the fears of the people fearing the third worlders to, say, get people to vote for you, the situation suits you fine.
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[3:16] <CompanionCube> the wall isn't even an *effective* idea
[3:16] <_rabies_> so if you keep shipping in millions of 3rd worlders into the US, the banks blow up
[3:17] <_rabies_> they liked doing it at first because corporations got more profit from slave labor
[3:17] <_rabies_> but then the deflation becomes a problem
[3:17] <_rabies_> and causes banks to implode
[3:17] <CompanionCube> remind me why wages going down has a direct impact on the inflation of the currency as a whole?
[3:17] <CompanionCube> I'm not seeing that causal link.
[3:17] <taza> It doesn't until you add the last link, which _rabies_ is handily ignoring here.
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[3:18] <_rabies_> supply and demand
[3:18] <taza> Landlords like, say, a certain golden tower owner, and companies like one with a star in its name squeeze the people for all their disposable income, which causes a death spiral for the smaller businesses.
[3:19] <taza> _rabies_ there's no grand conspiracy, and certainly no communists. It's just consequence of capitalists greedily going after their personal self-interest, generation after generation.
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[3:19] <taza> And even your prepackaged worldview is a way to sell you product, in this case, a political party to vote for, political views to vote for, and uh, food supplements?
[3:19] <taza> And guns, don't forget guns.
[3:20] <_rabies_> what I said is not even political
[3:20] <_rabies_> just plain old economics
[3:20] <CompanionCube> lies
[3:20] <taza> The communists were the only thing keeping the dip in living standards in check by threatening capitalists with an alternative until, well, China went all, uh, modern China.
[3:21] <taza> Because the dip - the current mess - is just a repeat of the economic setup a century ago. And as then, as now, the people who tell you to fear the foreigner instead of the person with their hand in your pocket is not a good leader here.
[3:21] <taza> Look at the people not suffering from decline in living standards and ask why it doesn't quite go all the way to the top.
[3:21] <taza> You insufferable doofus.
[3:21] <_rabies_> what is your purpose of pushing a pro-Marxist, open borders view? As a disabled person, I assume you might possibly draw money from the state. And even if you don't now, it's possible you will in the future. You can't have a welfare state with open borders, so you're basically inviting an endless flood of people in to implode the system you rely on
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[3:22] <CompanionCube> I don't think that's crossed the theshold into full marxism yet but I don't know much about marxism so
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[3:23] <taza> Marxism is basically "nobody gets to hire anyone, everyone gets to sell what they made instead of someone else hiring them to make something"
[3:23] <_rabies_> communism isn't a real thing, it's more of a backroom Enron scam to centralize all wealth and power then steal it all and rule over everyone as slaves. There's no such thing as "communism keeping capitalism in check"
[3:23] <_rabies_> it's just a flat out scam
[3:23] <_rabies_> it's not a real system
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[3:24] <taza> Marx was btw a rich drunkard who just went "uh oh if we don't do something the poor will get real upset and we'll get a French Revolution too"
[3:25] <taza> So he started preaching Marxism to keep his infinite supply of free wine from rich nobility. And he died well-marinated, so I guess it worked!
[3:25] <_rabies_> kind of like how the Carbon credit trading system was an actual Enron scam too. You pay money to financial scammers for each unit of carbon you emit.
[3:25] <CompanionCube> I wouldn't say it's a scam, even though it does usually devolve into an authoritarian dystopia that's nothing the intention
[3:25] <_rabies_> and that causes the planet not to die, being swindled
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[3:28] <_rabies_> well, anyways, I hate to break it to you guys, but the world already is a dystopia right now and it's one run by leftists, so whatever which way the world swings when this dystopia collapses, it's going to be to the far right
[3:28] <_rabies_> we're already living in your dream world right now, and it's going to be the exact opposite in the future
[3:28] <taza> Hah. No, I don't need overpriced food supplements.
[3:28] <CompanionCube> 'one run by leftists' ...
[3:29] <taza> Anyway it's called the Walmart Death Spiral for a reason
[3:29] <taza> It's actually not economically right-wing. Or left-wing. It's just authoritarian.
[3:29] <CompanionCube> so, if this world is run by leftists
[3:29] <_rabies_> it can't go any more dysfunctionally left than it already is. Not sure how you can't comprehend that. The only way the world has left to go is to the far right when this system blows up.
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[3:29] <CompanionCube> then why the hell is pretty much every national government firmly on the economic right?
[3:30] <taza> It is also the logical conclusion of capitalism, but it only appears after capitalism stops working and capitalists try to lobby the government to fix it without taking any of their money.
[3:30] <CompanionCube> surely the leftist ruling class would implement policies that are...y'know, leftist in economics.
[3:30] <taza> Aka it's the "no take only throw" problem, but for capitalists.
[3:30] <_rabies_> it's not, a central bank is one of the main tenets of communism. You already live in communism. There is nothing "to the right" about the economic system at all.
[3:30] <_rabies_> you're trying to blame the failures of centralized communism on capitalism
[3:31] <taza> It makes perfect sense once you understand property rights are only a social convention, though.
[3:31] <CompanionCube> if i already live in communism then why the hell is the bourgosie still around
[3:31] <CompanionCube> any actually communist state will have purged them eons ago
[3:31] <_rabies_> communism requires top down power and control
[3:32] <taza> This isn't actually true of communism but state capitalism, but granted every communist superpower has also made that mistake.
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[3:33] <CompanionCube> true, and I also guess that 'communist state' is an oxymoron
[3:33] <CompanionCube> s/guess/remember/
[3:33] <_rabies_> he's trying to claim communism eliminates the rich robber barons and social controllers when that's the freaking definition of communism, a tiny amount of people who control all power and resources lol
[3:33] <taza> _rabies_ but yeah you've been sold a ready-made worldview to keep you from paying attention to the actual cause of the problems you see, so good job with that?
[3:34] <taza> Thinking that Soros has time for any of that is pretty silly though
[3:34] <CompanionCube> _rabies_: no
[3:34] <CompanionCube> that would be the definition of oligarchy
[3:34] <CompanionCube> not communism
[3:34] <taza> ^ That, but in more words.
[3:34] <_rabies_> Soros is a zionist. Anyone who has examined the Talmud knows Zionism is idential to Nazism, just with a different race that benefits.
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[3:35] <CompanionCube> well, that's the rubicon crossed into straight-up neonazi land
[3:35] <taza> Actually he went there by the time he blamed Soros for this.
[3:35] <CompanionCube> (is it even neo?)
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[3:35] <taza> Soros is so obviously innocent of this, he just loves being sassy.
[3:37] <taza> _rabies_ but in case you're not just flat out trolling and instead have fallen for the feint, have an explanation for the other side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvskMHn0sqQ
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[3:38] <CompanionCube> eh, blaming soros is common enough in certain groups that by itself it isn't neonazi even if the underlying reasoning is
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[3:38] <_rabies_> I'm not a religous person, and I frankly don't care whether any of you are or not, but from any objective point of view, it's pretty safe to classify modern day Christianity as a benign cult, Islam just a straight up kill you or convert you cult, and Talmudic Judaism as an evil cult identical to Nazism
[3:39] <CompanionCube> ain't nothing objective about that view
[3:39] <taza> _rabies_ that video *isn't* from a certain viewpoint, so it's actually a super okay watch.
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[3:39] <CompanionCube> positively the opposite in fact
[3:39] <_rabies_> of course it's objective
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[3:40] <CompanionCube> what makes it objective then?
[3:40] <CompanionCube> (I mean, it's rather difficult to objective in a field that has an intrinsic close link with people's individual beliefs and faiths
[3:40] <_rabies_> Christianity welcomes new people in while Islam demands you convert or die, and the Talmudic Zionists have an identical to Nazi view where they view themselves as the "chosen" superiors of everyone else and are allowed to treat others differently and discriminate against them
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[3:41] <taza> Yeah no ranking cults from harmful to not harmful is innately subjective because you can't have an objective definition of "harmful"
[3:41] <taza> My response to any question to which cult I subscribe to is just to start singing Rush tho so.
[3:42] <_rabies_> both Islam and talmudic Judaism for instance claims it's okay to lie to non-believers of their faith to push their agenda, while Christianity forbids it outright. Talmudic Judaism even says it's okay to steal from people not of their "chosen" faith
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[3:43] <_rabies_> it's worse than Nazism
[3:43] <CompanionCube> nope.
[3:43] <_rabies_> why? because you are one?
[3:43] <_rabies_> sorry, not a valid reason
[3:44] <taza> I mean, they both sound like I'm supposed to die, only one ever got close, so, y'know.
[3:44] <CompanionCube> Dare you to cite the specific text of the relevant books.
[3:44] <_rabies_> sandreheden or something like that
[3:44] <_rabies_> I can probably find it
[3:44] <CompanionCube> Please do so.
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[3:45] <_rabies_> okay, beforehand
[3:46] <_rabies_> you're already agreeing with me that Islam allows you to lie on purpose to non-islamic people right?
[3:46] <_rabies_> yet you disagree and demand I provide evidence that talmudic judaism does the same thing, correct?
[3:46] <CompanionCube> neither
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[3:46] <_rabies_> ...
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[3:46] <_rabies_> were you born yesterday? This is common knowledge in Islam
[3:46] <taza> Also y'know Christianity asking people to not lie sure hasn't worked.
[3:46] <_rabies_> even an islamic person will tell you this
[3:46] <tristero> _rabies_: please take your islamophobia and antisemitism and fuck all the way off
[3:46] <_rabies_> it's not a secret whatsoever
[3:47] <_rabies_> tristero: take your evil cults and fuck off
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[3:47] <taza> tristero I'm afraid there's no moderators around right now. I wish.
[3:47] <_rabies_> because god forbid someone should refer to an evil cult as an evil cult?
[3:47] <taza> I know, I know, I shouldn't treat arguments like theirs as genuine, I should just dismiss them and hope they shut up.
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[3:48] <_rabies_> so I'm guessing you're a non-religious northern euro and yet feign offense at people calling Islam and Judaism evil cults?
[3:48] <tristero> wrong on islam, wrong on judaism, so you're batting 0%, idiot-boy
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[3:49] <_rabies_> wrong my ass
[3:49] <_rabies_> it's 100% true in both
[3:49] <_rabies_> you just never bothered to study them at all
[3:49] <CompanionCube> prove it or STFU
[3:49] <tristero> proof or stfu. "it's common knowledge" ain't it
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[3:50] <tristero> do you read Hebrew? Arabic? then your study is probably youtube videos, right?
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[3:51] <tristero> shame on me for feeding trolls
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[3:51] <taza> _rabies_ you're batting 0% and are an idiot-boy because you think loyalty to your own kind counts for shit. Because it doesn't, and it never has. I'm immune to that because I've been visibly disabled for a while and I *know* I'm surrounded by people just as awful.
[3:51] <_rabies_> it's an undisputed fact about islam. Islamics agree about it, Jews agree about it, the only contentious point is that Talmudic judaism allows the same thing
[3:51] * CompanionCube would say what he is but I already know what comes next so I won't bother.
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[3:54] <_rabies_> okay, here's your first answer:
[3:54] <_rabies_> "Rab Judah said in the name of Samuel: The property of a heathen3 is on the same footing as desert land; whoever first occupies it acquires ownership." Baba Bathra 54b
[3:54] <_rabies_> there's one point in Talmudic Judaism where it says you're allowed to steal from non-"chosen" ones
[3:54] <_rabies_> but there's actually SEVERAL
[3:55] <_rabies_> it's an evil cult worse than Nazism
[3:55] <_rabies_> both Islam and Judaism essentially say people who do not belong to their cults are enemies and can be lied to, stolen from, destroyed, etc
[3:56] <_rabies_> while christianity does not
[3:56] <CompanionCube> well
[3:56] <CompanionCube> i can only find that quote on a single random 'judeo-christian' research website...and stormfront
[3:56] <_rabies_> bullshit
[3:56] <CompanionCube> so forgive me if I don't believe in the authentitcity
[3:56] <_rabies_> you didn't even look
[3:56] <CompanionCube> oh wait, i left the three in.
[3:57] <CompanionCube> that makes it *slightly* more common
[3:57] <_rabies_> it's not secret that Talmudic Judaism and Islam treat people who don't belong to their cults as enemies
[3:57] <_rabies_> *not=no
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[3:59] <puff> taza: "milk tongue" is an old phrase in english. Mother tongue is another variant.
[3:59] <_rabies_> this stuff is written based around warring tribes. Did you expect it to be "inclusive" lol
[3:59] <_rabies_> half of it is about destroying one another
[3:59] <puff> _rabies_: My brother was part of the JET program, applied for an extension, after 4 years applied for a visa.
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[4:00] <puff> _rabies_: Working for the japanese school system the entire time. They love him, he's more japanese than the japanese when it comes to responsibility, organization, punctuality, etc.
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[4:00] <puff> _rabies_: Most JET program teachers are limited to 2 years, yeah.
[4:02] <puff> It's not just judaism and islam, it's basically the vast majority of history. Go back several hundred years and most cultures word for "barbarian" basically meant "not us".
[4:03] <puff> taza: Btw, one of my favorite SF writers is finnish. Hannu Rajaniemi.
[4:03] <taza> And thinking they rule the world falls apart at the very least looking at the way they live.
[4:03] <_rabies_> well, that's what I'm saying, I'm not religious, but Christianity is all inclusive, while Islam and Judaism are written around people who aren't a part of their cults being enemies and you're allowed to lie and steal from them, etc
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[4:04] <taza> puff also yeah I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt... but sometimes you shouldn't
[4:05] <_rabies_> Taza: Ted Kaczynski was the first person to accurately diagnose liberalism as a mental disorder based on inferiority complex where you're unable to relate to anyone except underdogs, people deemed unwanted, etc
[4:05] <_rabies_> you were probably bullied in school or something
[4:05] <_rabies_> and now have this complex
[4:06] <taza> You missed.
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[4:07] <taza> I did explain why I think the way I do, and linked you to a video.
[4:07] * puff catches up to the Soros debate. "Has he brought up the 'nazi ties' yet?"
[4:07] <_rabies_> it's why liberals are obsessed with things like native american indians even though they have zero relation to them, never see any around, etc
[4:07] <_rabies_> in the US that is
[4:07] <taza> I'm personally by now waiting for the sales pitch for supplementations.
[4:08] <_rabies_> because they are the "defeated" ones
[4:08] <taza> _rabies_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvskMHn0sqQ
[4:08] <taza> Did you watch it?
[4:08] <_rabies_> it was transgender porn
[4:08] <taza> Rather not, no.
[4:08] <CompanionCube> 'A Selfish Argument for Making the World a Better Place – Egoistic Altruism
[4:08] <CompanionCube> you didn't even look at it lol
[4:09] <taza> _rabies_ as a result of you not even touching a concise explanation I must assume you don't actually care what I have to say.
[4:09] <_rabies_> and that's where the road to hell is paved with good intentions slogan comes in. You probably advocate socialism and other things, like being ignorant of the fact that one man's free shit is another man's indentured servitude
[4:10] <taza> Yeah, you missed again, pal.
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[4:10] <_rabies_> you're not pulling a road to hell is paved with good intentions scheme by being pro-open borders even though it's going to negatively affect you and everyone around you?
[4:10] <taza> See, you're just rambling on, communicating nothing to anyone, fearful of imaginary threats or just trolling.
[4:11] <_rabies_> and even when the person Soros doing it is doing it for malevolent reasons
[4:11] <taza> You're not trying to make other people understand what you're saying, is the curious part.
[4:11] <taza> Does it mean you already know it's a bunch of lies you repeat to avoid thinking about the actual problems?
[4:11] <_rabies_> you never gave even a simple explanation for your pro-open borders reasoning
[4:11] <taza> I linked a video that does it in seven minutes.,
[4:11] <_rabies_> yet I gave you many for why it's a bad idea
[4:11] <_rabies_> yet you can come up with no excuse why it's good
[4:12] <puff> Note, by the 'nazi ties' to soros, I wasn't talking about _rabies_ comment about Soros and neo-nazis, but rather the silly lie that a prepubescent Soros was somehow a Nazi during WWII.
[4:12] <taza> Which you entirely ignored.
[4:13] <_rabies_> it's okay, I could personally care less if someone calls me a "nazi". The lunatics running around call anyone that who doesn't support radical feminism or whatever scheme they have.
[4:14] <taza> What if someone calls you someone unconcerned with talking with other people and only using it as an excuse to fight with people?
[4:14] <_rabies_> lol, you claimed I was Alex Jones because open borders is not a viable economic option
[4:14] <taza> Because you've now fallen short, several times, on even replying to other people's arguments, nevermind countering them.
[4:14] <friendofafriend> This, in #raspberrypi?
[4:15] <_rabies_> this is normal everywhere
[4:15] <_rabies_> because there is a world wide ideological divide in the west
[4:15] <taza> friendofafriend eh, we don't have moderators. ;_;
[4:15] <_rabies_> which will eventually have to be sorted out through war or something
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[4:15] <taza> And I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and have trouble disengaging in time.
[4:16] <friendofafriend> We do have logs, and it's nice to keep 'em clean. I visit ##information and I think there's a conspiracy channel too.
[4:16] <puff> Okay, so, i2c anyone?
[4:16] <_rabies_> are you really pulling a teenage girl move of "wah, I don't agree with this person, ban him"
[4:16] <_rabies_> I could say the same thing about you
[4:17] <_rabies_> banned for being a mentally ill leftist
[4:17] <_rabies_> hows that?
[4:17] <CompanionCube> _rabies_: why woyld you want a war, other than to purge those who dare disagree with your far-right bollocks?
[4:17] <puff> Any gotchas to watch out for? This is going to be on an rpi also connected to a canable->talon srx->canbus motor controller, any conflicts there?
[4:17] <leftyfb> um
[4:17] <taza> CompanionCube ignore pact? Ignore pact.
[4:17] <taza> I'll ignore him if you do.
[4:17] <CompanionCube> fine by me.
[4:17] <leftyfb> can we keep the politics/religion out of here and into their appropriate places for discussion?
[4:17] <_rabies_> you two can form your leftist safe space if you like
[4:17] <_rabies_> fine by me
[4:18] <_rabies_> you already know I'm right though and the world is as big of a leftist dystopia as you can get already, and when it implodes, it's swinging farrr right and there's nothing you can do about it
[4:19] <leftyfb> _rabies_: please take the discussion elsewhere. It is completely offtopic here
[4:19] <_rabies_> and who are you random guy?
[4:20] <leftyfb> _rabies_: This channel is for discussion and support with the Raspberry Pi. There are plenty of other places to discuss other topics. This isn't one of them.
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[4:20] <Travis> Hello
[4:20] <leftyfb> Hi Travis
[4:20] <friendofafriend> Hello, Travis.
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[4:22] <Travis> I am podering how to turn my old Panasonic CF-29 laptop into something for my Pi. It's slow on Windows, yet don't want to get rid of it.
[4:22] <_rabies_> well, good sir, my reply to you would be that although you may attempt to speak to others like they're your children and you're the boss of them, that would not actually be the case, so you should probably rearrange your dialogue in some manner if you wish to achieve some type of result with your actions
[4:22] <leftyfb> Travis: tried running Raspbian or some other linux distro on it?
[4:22] <Travis> Never tried Raspbian on it.
[4:22] <Travis> I thought it was just for Pis
[4:22] <taza> I honestly run Debian or Xubuntu on those things and use them to take Pi snapshots.
[4:22] <leftyfb> Travis: There's an x86 version on it
[4:22] <Travis> oooooh!
[4:23] <friendofafriend> Neat, didn't know there's an x86 version of Raspbian! Of all things.
[4:23] <Travis> I mainly want it to run two programs: Hexchat and Fldigi.
[4:23] <Travis> I may have to think about this now. You have piqued my interest.
[4:23] <leftyfb> Travis: both of those should run fine
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[4:25] <Travis> ok. How well would a device like a SignaLink run on a Pi? It draws its power from the USB ports. I have never done this before.
[4:25] <Travis> (on a pi)
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[4:26] <leftyfb> Travis: if it draws more than 500Ma, I would get a powered USB hub for it
[4:26] <leftyfb> sorry, 500ma
[4:26] <Travis> Got one!. I just have to find the power cord.
[4:27] <Travis> ok, leftyfb. Even their own website recommends a powered usb hub.
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[4:28] <taza> Travis btw with powered USB hubs it's relevant to know if it feeds power back to the Pi
[4:28] <Travis> As a radio operator, I understand that very well. Power coming back = bad for business.
[4:29] <Travis> Thanks for the help everyone. Now it's time to experiment.
[4:29] <shauno> it's not always bad. I had a pi & a modem running off a single power supply like that, which was handy. it's just worth being aware of & planning for
[4:30] <taza> Yeah it's not always bad but it does change the way they behave.
[4:31] <Travis> Only one way to find out: experiment.
[4:31] <shauno> yeah, I found mine by accident when I wanted to hard reboot, but when I pulled the power it didn't turn off. I probably had a very confused face for a good few seconds
[4:31] <Travis> I don't like multiple power supplies. Yet, it may be necessary in this case.
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[4:32] <friendofafriend> Travis: You may be able to power the Pi from the powered hub.
[4:32] <Travis> Time to do what we hams do best: experiment!
[4:32] <leftyfb> make sure you have a spare pi :)
[4:33] <Travis> I am technically on a Pi now (IRC bouncer).
[4:33] <leftyfb> as am I :)
[4:33] <Travis> I have another with a webcam OS, that turns it into nothing but a IP camera.
[4:33] <Travis> I think I have a spare.
[4:33] <taza> I'm not, I'm IRCing off my Windows PC while tinkering around with my Pi's image on my Ubuntu box.
[4:34] <leftyfb> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GeqRkvAjF4eeZYH26 one of those pi's in my bouncer :)
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[4:34] <_rabies_> taza: as a communist, do you believe in intellectual property rights or not
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[4:35] <Travis> I keep threatening my employer (in a good way) to have someone write code for a Pi, to control my prison's main sallyport doors.
[4:35] <_rabies_> you own a prison
[4:36] <Travis> no, work in one.
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[4:36] <_rabies_> that sounds fun
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[4:37] <leftyfb> Travis: I have code that might help with that
[4:37] <Travis> Think again!
[4:37] <Travis> I don't know how well a Pi would hold up to the rest of the electronics.
[4:37] <leftyfb> that's what relays an opto's are for
[4:37] <taza> Relying on a Pi to do anything is a bad idea.
[4:38] <Travis> I saw the inside of one of the panels. I about had to change my pants, when I saw the plethora of relays and what not.
[4:38] <_rabies_> lol
[4:38] <taza> The important word being "relying"
[4:38] <leftyfb> taza: why is that?
[4:38] <taza> Pis are worth their weight in copper for prototyping and experimenting, but uh, finalised solutions generally ask for more reliable parts.
[4:38] <taza> Well there's the power irregularities and the corrupting memory problems
[4:39] <Travis> It's just a fun idea.
[4:39] <leftyfb> taza: we have a pi on every inner and outer door of our makerspace. All been running for over 5 years now with no issues other than 1 instances of an old SD card going belly up.
[4:39] <taza> Yeah and it's a door on a maker space.
[4:39] <Travis> I used to have an old Pi B, from when Ratshack sold them in a kit.
[4:40] <leftyfb> Travis: those are the pi's we're still using
[4:40] <Pie_Mage> my old company used the pis as asterisk servers for on-prem voip
[4:40] <taza> No Pi responds well to power going out, and any non-hacky solution to fix this costs more than a laptop to do the same job
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[4:41] <leftyfb> taza: every pi is powered by a PoE adapter, the PoE switch being on a UPS. All our doors still function when the power goes out
[4:41] <leftyfb> and we've lost power multiple times for many hours
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[4:42] <taza> The plural of anecdote is data only for uncountably large numbers!
[4:42] <_rabies_> it costs $50,000 in tax per US citizen to keep the govt afloat without running a deficit. What do you do with all the prisoners soon as the world refuses to buy US debt and the act of printing instead causes it all to blow up anyway
[4:42] <_rabies_> per year
[4:43] <leftyfb> jeezus christ. _rabies_ shut your piehole
[4:43] <CompanionCube> you should've said pihole
[4:43] <leftyfb> _rabies_: this is NOT the place for your rants
[4:43] <_rabies_> random dude: take your hollow threats to your cat or dogs or kids or whoever
[4:43] <taza> But yeah the problems are exceedingly well-documented and not actually a flaw, but they do mean a Pi isn't a good answer for anything mission-critical.
[4:43] <_rabies_> because they don't work on me
[4:43] <taza> The flaws could easily be solved but it would add cost to the design
[4:43] <password2> CompanionCube, hahaha
[4:43] <taza> leftyfb yeah I realized I had to ignore him so I'd stop replying to him
[4:44] <taza> Because well-intentioned as I may have been, better not.
[4:44] <password2> _rabies_, go grow some cancer
[4:44] <_rabies_> that's not very nice?
[4:44] <password2> not at all
[4:44] <_rabies_> and here you mentally ill leftists were pretending to be humanitarians
[4:44] <_rabies_> when in fact
[4:44] <_rabies_> you're just evil pieces of shit
[4:45] <larsks> Could you folks take this off the channel? Esepcially the nasty language.
[4:45] <taza> I'm gonna have to ask you to retract that last bit, larsks
[4:45] <leftyfb> larsks: he's been asked multiple times
[4:45] <taza> The nasty language is not the biggest problem here.
[4:45] <_rabies_> Taza already said earlier he thought "everyone around him" in real life was a terrible person lol
[4:45] <larsks> you want me to...retract complaining about the language?
[4:45] <_rabies_> yet he pretends to be a humanitarian of some kind
[4:46] <taza> I want you to acknowledge it's not the biggest problem
[4:46] <larsks> Oh. No, sorry, I'm not playing this game. I was just asking folks to take it elsewhere.
[4:46] <taza> Okay, fair.
[4:46] <larsks> Just ignoring everone now. Carry on!
[4:46] <_rabies_> if you think everyone around you in real life is a horrible person, I doubt you are the exception as some type of angel. It's more likely you're a giant hypocrite
[4:46] <leftyfb> _rabies_: please stop. This is not the place
[4:46] <Travis> wow.
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[4:47] <_rabies_> leftyfb: we already went over this. Trying to exert your will over others by pretending you can talk to people like they're your kids does not work, especially if they're smarter than you are.
[4:48] <_rabies_> leftyfb: you will need to learn an entirely new social strategy
[4:48] <_rabies_> maybe an entirely new way of life in general
[4:48] <Pie_Mage> Wow, indeed
[4:48] <Travis> leftyfb: if one shuts a pihole, then is the pi still usable?
[4:49] <leftyfb> _rabies_: If you do not want to be treated like a child, then stop acting like one. This is not the appropriate place for your rants or offtopic discussions. It is pretty obvious. Grow up.
[4:50] <Pie_Mage> _rabies_: as someone who is clearly superior to everyone else here, you should find a place where you can be amongst your peers, as clearly you are not here
[4:51] <Pie_Mage> i accept my lowlyness before you
[4:51] <_rabies_> Leftyfb: you barged into a conversation you're not a part of and start screaming like a maniac at people. You are the child here.
[4:51] <leftyfb> no u
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[4:52] <_rabies_> you'll notice I've made no angry statements or threats against you
[4:52] <_rabies_> yet you're losing your mind over here
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[4:52] <_rabies_> while also pretending you have any authority over anyone
[4:52] <_rabies_> that's not a healthy viewpoint to have
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[4:53] <leftyfb> _rabies_: As you've been told multiple times, this is not the appropriate place for such banter or offtopic discussions. Please take it elsewhere. Feel free to discuss or ask for help with Raspberry Pi's here.
[4:54] <_rabies_> no no
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[4:55] <_rabies_> see, this is where your delusion comes in
[4:55] <_rabies_> thinking you get to tell anyone anything
[4:55] <glguy> _rabies_: Can I chat with you in /msg ?
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[4:56] <_rabies_> leftyfb: where in your brain did you derive the idea that you get to tell some guy named rabies what to do as your personal servant and not vice versa? Maybe rabies is your commander in chief and you were living in delusion all along?
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[4:59] <leftyfb> Our commander in chief doesn't know how to spell pi, let alone raspberrypi, and certainly doesn't know how to get onto IRC. So I'm pretty confident that you are not he.
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[5:07] <pagetelegram> Hi, wondering if anyone have embedded projects with the Pi?
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[5:07] <pagetelegram> Single purpose ISOs that are small and specifically orientated to embedded tasks and functions.
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[5:10] <pagetelegram> http connection to your logs time outs with lynx browser. http://srv.datagutt1.com < - ?
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[5:16] <pagetelegram> Hi
[5:16] <larsks> pagetelegram: I had a custom build of tinycore linux that I was using for a music player at one point (http://tinycorelinux.net/ports.html)
[5:17] <shauno> I was using yocto/openembedded until we moved to another device
[5:17] <pagetelegram> Thanks I tried a similar approach and did some kbd configs to reassign letters to make use of a bluethooth numlock pad as a controller for the music player. Checking your project in a few.
[5:17] <pagetelegram> oh yeah, that's just tiny core.
[5:18] <pagetelegram> I considered tiny core then someone suggested a kernal kit to strip debian of everything (raspbian etc) such as the language stuff takes up a lot of space.
[5:18] <larsks> Right. I build some custom packages with my own code and created a purpose-specific image that I could just burn to card, pop in, and boot.
[5:18] <larsks> That was a while ago, though.
[5:19] <pagetelegram> Hear you....I did for my mom so she can just plug her USB mp3 drive into the pi, plug it in and listen. No input required unless wanted with the keypad.
[5:21] <pagetelegram> I had a site with these kidn of projects in mind and some spam bots destroyed my hosted sites, site wide hack. Most I got from my host was a copy of the ftp denial logs, about 5k attempts in a month. No matter chaning my ftp still got compromised. Now I run a VPS and deal with hacks directly.
[5:21] <pagetelegram> Still that project is long on my sights before seeing day of light again.
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[5:22] <pagetelegram> My pis stowed away at the moment and jsut recently hooked up a Beaglebone-green which is very similar to Pi experience only that it costs more and is open hardware.
[5:22] <pagetelegram> I was thinking it be good to start something of sharing embedded projects for the Pi.
[5:23] <pagetelegram> For grandmas and elder mothers and grampas and such, to get them using the Pis. I had success with my mother using it as an mp3 player and she still uses a flip phone.
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[5:33] <Travis> I had to leave for a few. I had one more question.
[5:33] <Travis> I've been playing with motionEye. I don't like how slow the camera is, to respond to movement.
[5:34] <Travis> Does the Pi have any software to make it more like it would be, as if I viewed it from a desktop computer?
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[5:35] <friendofafriend> Travis: Try mjpg-streamer.
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[5:38] <Travis> Thanks. I will see what I can do. Back to my experimentation.
[5:39] <friendofafriend> Travis: Good idea. And take an inmate a cigarette, while you're at it.
[5:40] <Travis> That's a felony
[5:41] <friendofafriend> Everything's a felony, if you get caught.
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[13:53] <EdwardIII> the tension is building: i'm trying again with a new sdcard
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[14:02] <EdwardIII> YESSS it boots into a windows environment AND the touchscreen works like a mouse out of the box. great stuff
[14:03] <Khaytsus> Wrong channel?
[14:03] <EdwardIII> *windowed environment
[14:04] <EdwardIII> Khaytsus: it's a raspberry pi - people in here have been helping me diagnose why it wouldn't boot, looks like it was a bust sdcard
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[14:04] <Khaytsus> Happens.. especially crappy cards
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[15:57] <DanielTheFox> it'd be great if humans were grown with a /RESET line and a 0V/GND line to bridge if wanted
[15:58] <Khaytsus> I'm pretty sure I see some users on irc reboot
[15:58] <Khaytsus> Ask a dumb question, people try to figure out what htey want, confuser user..........
[15:58] <Khaytsus> repeat
[16:00] <DanielTheFox> as I finally use the HDMI audio, I notice it's more powerful and won't crackle at higher volume levels
[16:00] <stiv> "I'm getting an error. What should I do?" /classic
[16:00] <DanielTheFox> but quality isn't all that different, since I'm listening to MP3s anyway :D
[16:00] <DanielTheFox> such old-school dummy I am :>
[16:01] <Khaytsus> Someone in #centos a few minutes ago said "I wrote a script, it outputs "file not found" what do I do.
[16:01] <stiv> my mom would ask, "well, where did you have it last?"
[16:02] <DanielTheFox> stiv: what about "I'm getting a Disk Full error when copying to my hard disk drive. Why does this happen?"
[16:02] <Khaytsus> shitters full, you
[16:02] <Khaytsus> yo
[16:02] <DanielTheFox> or...
[16:02] <Khaytsus> Although sometimes that can be a bit confusing if you're out of inodes from having a crazy number of files
[16:02] <Khaytsus> df -i
[16:03] <DanielTheFox> "I clicked on Empty Recycle Bin and now all my files on the Recycle Bin are gone."
[16:03] <Khaytsus> I read a rant from someone who said a windows update empetied their recylce bin. THey keep "important files" in there.
[16:03] <Khaytsus> WHich part of "Recycle bin" was not clear
[16:03] <DanielTheFox> haha
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[16:04] <Khaytsus> https://i.imgur.com/uvou947.gif
[16:04] <BurtyB> or how about I keep saying non-family friendly things in a channel with family friendly rules.. looking at you Khaytsus
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[16:04] <stiv> maybe when you remove stuff from the Recycle Bin, it should go to the Regional Landfill in case you want to get it back
[16:05] <DanielTheFox> is landfill still a thing there?
[16:05] <Khaytsus> stiv: I heard a story once about someone trying to get permission to dig around in a landfill for a hard drive that was thrown away by accident
[16:05] <Khaytsus> DanielTheFox: Yes, garabage still goes somewhere.
[16:06] <DanielTheFox> I thought we were the only polluter stupids who were still filling land instead of recycling or incinerating it altogether
[16:06] <Khaytsus> I'd hope most poeple recycle.. but there's still garbage
[16:06] <Khaytsus> And incinerating it could be worse...
[16:06] <plugwash> landfill is still a thing pretty much everywhere, sure they try to recycle stuff but ultimately there is a load of awkward stuff that can't reasonablly be recycled.
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[16:06] <DanielTheFox> ok
[16:06] <plugwash> Even if you incinerate stuff there is still going to be ash left over.
[16:06] <plugwash> (and incineration has it's own problems)
[16:07] <DanielTheFox> and what happens with the garbage that does not rot despite being buried
[16:07] <DanielTheFox> that landfill will be unusable forever
[16:07] <Khaytsus> Yeah, most of the stuff left over pretty much is there forever
[16:07] <Khaytsus> Who knows, maybe in the future we'll come up with ways to recycle deeper and can reuse stuff in landfills
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> ew
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> including leaked batteries
[16:08] <Khaytsus> Batteries should not be in the landfill
[16:08] <Khaytsus> I don't know where those go offhand though
[16:08] * stiv predicts giant machines that munch thru landfills separating out the useful molecules
[16:08] <Khaytsus> stiv: yeah, there's plenty of stuff in there for sure
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> here we do, since there's no battery/electronics recycle facility in hundreds of miles anyway
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[16:09] <DanielTheFox> (and people don't like throwing working electronics away, they'd prefer to give'em away, that's pretty much an advantage for scavengers like me)
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[16:11] <Khaytsus> I think some stuff is just not a viable tool anymore, but I also don't believe in tossing electronics for the latest model either
[16:11] <DanielTheFox> yep
[16:11] <Khaytsus> My computer is 5+ years old... it's perfectly fine. as long as it has no failures it'll last me for another 5+ I imagine.
[16:12] <DanielTheFox> for example, it's reliefing that the RPi supports SDTV
[16:12] <Khaytsus> Phones I replace when I _need_ to.. not because the latest phone comes in a different shade of blue
[16:12] <DanielTheFox> which is nice because I can use these old CRT TVs
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[16:12] <DanielTheFox> none of my computers are models later than 2010
[16:12] <DanielTheFox> except the Pi
[16:13] <DanielTheFox> to be fair, all of them work as they should
[16:13] <DanielTheFox> I even have somewhere a Pentium III that works
[16:13] <DanielTheFox> and a 486 with a broken PSU
[16:13] <Khaytsus> My previous workstation, which I use as a home server now, is a pretty early i7 with 16g of ram. I'd still be using it as a workstation (12+ years old!) but I had newer hardware so I used it.
[16:13] <Khaytsus> P3 is pretty silly honestly.... a pi is more powerful and uses 1/20th the power
[16:13] <DanielTheFox> indeed
[16:13] <DanielTheFox> I keep it for retro games tho :)
[16:14] <DanielTheFox> and for the retro sensation altogether
[16:14] <Khaytsus> Fair enough.. some old games are pretty ctime critical maybe
[16:14] <DanielTheFox> it's no longer "useful", but videogame systems are not "useful" altogether anyway
[16:14] <Khaytsus> Games have their purpose. Brains need distraction and downtime
[16:15] <mlelstv> keep you from the streets..
[16:15] <DanielTheFox> hence why in double quotes
[16:15] <Khaytsus> Just like everything; done in moderation
[16:15] <DanielTheFox> my dad would definitely label'em as "wasteful"
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[16:15] <DanielTheFox> but it's better than doing drugs or grabbing the car for a joyride
[16:16] <Khaytsus> Why not all three
[16:16] <mlelstv> at the same time
[16:16] <Khaytsus> See
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> that's what GTA does
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> :P
[16:16] <mlelstv> joyriding while being drugged and playing videogames
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> no, you got the sorting wrong
[16:17] <Khaytsus> nah, I thnk everyone has their priorities ;)
[16:17] <DanielTheFox> playing videogames while joyriding and high
[16:17] <mlelstv> will be a short ride and the risk is banned quickly
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> perhaps one of the reason I haven't been blessed with more money is because my practices with the excess money would be far from environment-healty
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> *healthy
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> for example, I like pre-60's cars
[16:19] <Khaytsus> Well, such things you don't necessarily daily drive
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> and many IBM PC-compatible pre-90's computers
[16:19] <Khaytsus> You just enjoy 'em
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> true
[16:20] <DanielTheFox> you see
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[16:20] <DanielTheFox> I saw an old movie, Grease (1978, you'll quickly recognize young John Travolta)
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[16:20] <DanielTheFox> the plot appears to be set in the very late 50's
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> and the cars look more fun that this everything-is-electronic-and-automated age
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[16:22] <DanielTheFox> my older headphones broke two days ago
[16:22] <DanielTheFox> beyond repair, like, the speaker cone was broken
[16:23] <DanielTheFox> (not just a typical connector issue, as I already fixed that before)
[16:24] <korryd> The problem with older cars - all steel (inside) and no airbags
[16:25] <DanielTheFox> rescued the working connector and wire, grabbed some better headphones I had whose connector died beyond repair, cut it, guessed out where the wires went (headphone cable color code is very confusing and probably non-standard), soldered them, tested, everything was alright, covered with black electric tape where it would short, covered the whole thing with more black tape, now they're working as if they
[16:25] <DanielTheFox> were brand new
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[16:26] <DanielTheFox> having a soldering iron, some tin, black tape and some sort of skills is just priceless
[16:26] <DanielTheFox> you should know how expensive are proper headphones here
[16:26] <Khaytsus> Old cars you can open the hood and fix something
[16:26] <DanielTheFox> those that go inside ears, but still not earbuds
[16:27] <Khaytsus> New cars........welp.. no idea what any of this is
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[16:27] <DanielTheFox> 13 MXN (~0.65 USD) for some super cheap and looks-like-gonna-break-today ones
[16:27] <DanielTheFox> more decent ones are like 40 MXN (2 USD)
[16:27] <Khaytsus> I've tried fixing those kinds of wires before.. the coated wires that are in cables like that. So frustrating I've never bothered beyond a few times
[16:28] <DanielTheFox> much better ones are beyond the 4 USD mark
[16:28] <mlelstv> http://thejetsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Space_Car
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[16:30] <m00sehead> what factors should I consider when deciding between the n00bs and raspbian OSs? new to pi so completely indifferent right now
[16:31] <DanielTheFox> m00sehead: as you probably guess out, if you're a complete newbie, go for n00bs
[16:31] <m00sehead> thakns
[16:31] <DanielTheFox> if you have already some experience with Linux, go for Raspbian
[16:31] <Khaytsus> I've never used noobs.. I guess it offers you multiple environments?
[16:31] <DanielTheFox> Khaytsus: me neither, I'm talking out of /dev/zero
[16:31] <Khaytsus> I haven't had a pi on a monitor in a few years either, so
[16:31] <DanielTheFox> but I guess the etymology should be obvious
[16:32] <m00sehead> DanielTheFox: I'm a web developer so I'm pretty comfortable with linux. Can you elaborate though?
[16:32] <m00sehead> i'm going to use it to build an arcade setup
[16:33] <DanielTheFox> by default Raspbian is closer to Lubuntu/Xubuntu than to a CLI-only environment
[16:33] <m00sehead> an emulator + usb controller
[16:33] <DanielTheFox> but it's internally mostly Debian
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[16:33] <Khaytsus> m00sehead: Looked into retropi?
[16:33] <m00sehead> nope but sounds like it might be what i want
[16:33] <m00sehead> awesome
[16:33] <Khaytsus> It's an appliance, kind of one trick pony but it's all set up for games
[16:34] <m00sehead> so its not an OS?
[16:34] <DanielTheFox> I haven't looked into it either
[16:34] <DanielTheFox> but it looks fancy
[16:34] <Khaytsus> retropie is a preconfigured image for the pi.. sure it's running linux but it's all preconfigured and friendly
[16:35] <DanielTheFox> unfortunately, turns out my 2007 computer (Pentium 4 at 2.8GHz, 1 GB RAM) is more powerful than the Pi 3B+, so I use it for emulated retro games instead
[16:35] <m00sehead> i guess I'm just wondering if I still need to choose n00bs/raspbian or if I go straight to retropi and it has everything
[16:35] <DanielTheFox> and energy here is fixed-bill (not metered), so the energy consumption isn't an issue
[16:35] <m00sehead> just formatting the sd card
[16:36] <m00sehead> ill follow some tutorials
[16:36] <DanielTheFox> m00sehead: got lots of spare time?
[16:36] <m00sehead> not really lol
[16:36] <DanielTheFox> my best guess (and my standard practice) is to try everything
[16:36] <DanielTheFox> and decide which one was better
[16:37] <m00sehead> ill likely try one and if it works, settle with it
[16:37] <m00sehead> dont have a lot of spare time
[16:37] <DanielTheFox> ok
[16:37] <DanielTheFox> that's a fair idea too
[16:37] <EdwardIII> i used retropie and it was brilliant
[16:37] <DanielTheFox> blind shooting and settling is not that good IMO
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[16:38] <EdwardIII> for nes, snes, megadrive, and ps1
[16:38] <DanielTheFox> I don't remember if the Pi 3 B+ is powerful enough for Megadrive and PS1
[16:39] <EdwardIII> any other nintendo console: don't bother, also sometimes things were trickier like trying to get controller/joystick support working for zx spectrum
[16:39] <DanielTheFox> it's easily powerful enough for NES and SNES tho
[16:39] <EdwardIII> i'm using B+ and PS1/MD is just fine
[16:39] <DanielTheFox> on the P4 right on the side I do mostly C64
[16:39] <DanielTheFox> and MS-DOS
[16:39] <DanielTheFox> if I had a better joystick/controller, I'd try out NES or SNES
[16:40] <EdwardIII> i tried C64, worked pretty well actually. but tape roms loaded in like... real time heh
[16:40] <EdwardIII> i.e. they took forever
[16:40] <Khaytsus> gross...
[16:40] <DanielTheFox> right now my only input device is a keyboard
[16:40] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: i just used a £15 unoffical ps3 controller. works great
[16:40] <DanielTheFox> and probably cheating, a mouse
[16:40] <Khaytsus> EdwardIII: Those can't be made some other format?
[16:40] <DanielTheFox> EdwardIII: I attempt to buy a 5 USD cheap USB controller
[16:40] <EdwardIII> Khaytsus: yeah probably, or some kind of fastloader emulation(?)
[16:40] <Khaytsus> I remember C64 tape loading times... meh
[16:41] <Khaytsus> And god we were so afraid to even breathe while it was loading
[16:41] <DanielTheFox> Khaytsus: if you use VICE, you can press Alt+W
[16:41] <EdwardIII> took something like 10 real minutes to load daily thompson decathalon
[16:41] <DanielTheFox> and will switch into super-speed
[16:41] <DanielTheFox> so your ten-minute tape becomes 30 second
[16:41] <EdwardIII> more for me than for Khaytsus heh
[16:41] <Khaytsus> Yeah, I'm not into retro games ;)
[16:41] <DanielTheFox> kay
[16:42] <EdwardIII> good to know though
[16:42] <Khaytsus> There's honestly no C64 games I can think of I'd actually want to play again
[16:42] <EdwardIII> i mean i'm not going to play a lot of C64 games, it was more like "hey look at this isn't it cool"
[16:42] <EdwardIII> yeah, same
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[16:42] <EdwardIII> whereas nes, snes, and md i actually played to completion
[16:42] <DanielTheFox> I actually program some very simple stuff
[16:42] <DanielTheFox> ASM
[16:42] <DanielTheFox> ;)
[16:42] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: for which platform?
[16:42] <DanielTheFox> C64, of course
[16:42] <Khaytsus> Yeah I've played a few Zelda games or such from GB or such emulation
[16:43] <DanielTheFox> weren't we talking about it?
[16:43] <DanielTheFox> the 6502 ASM is amazingly simple
[16:43] <Khaytsus> I did C64 asm in the 80s... heh
[16:43] <DanielTheFox> learned it in three days
[16:43] <DanielTheFox> the C64 hardware itself is very clean and neat
[16:43] <Khaytsus> Much much much simpler instruction set
[16:43] <Khaytsus> Than modern CPUs
[16:43] <DanielTheFox> I guess programmers were in a paradise
[16:44] <DanielTheFox> I'd like to learn ARM as well
[16:44] <DanielTheFox> just haven't been in a platform that uses it and it's easy to debug
[16:44] <DanielTheFox> ARM is RISC, it should be fairly simple
[16:44] <DanielTheFox> specially if I stick to using THUMB instructions
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[16:45] <DanielTheFox> modern x86 is rather complex
[16:45] <DanielTheFox> the 8086/88 weren't that messy
[16:45] <DanielTheFox> but still far more complex than the 6502
[16:46] <Khaytsus> I hever had an 8086 in those days.. did 6502 and 68000 asm
[16:46] <plugwash> afaict the trickiest thing about arm is the operand handling.
[16:46] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: that's pretty cool
[16:46] <DanielTheFox> (also, when going at the same clock speed, the 6502 would beat everyone except the 68XX series)
[16:46] <EdwardIII> i've never honestly written a line of ASM
[16:46] <plugwash> they did a bunch of fancy stuff with respect to literals to try and give the most useful selection of literals possible, but it makes what you can and can't use a rather complex matter.
[16:46] <DanielTheFox> even the fancy 8086 with it's hyper fancy 16-bit arch would be extremely slow
[16:46] <EdwardIII> i did start watching a 'how to code asm for a megadrive emulator' video by the british guy who worked on sonic who does all those cool videos explaining how they did neat tips and tricks
[16:47] <DanielTheFox> ok
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> I haven't tried the 65816
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> (which is in the SNES)
[16:48] <Khaytsus> I've watched some videos on how they worked around limitations on old platforms to do multi layer stuff, more sprites than the HW supported, stuff like that
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> it looks rather weird
[16:48] <Khaytsus> Lots of fancy hacks
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> but still fairly fast, much more capable and faster than the 8086
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> I'll be building a little SBC based on the 65816 in the next month or 2.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> when I get bored of my current little 6502 SBC.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/ruby-pcb0.jpg
[17:07] <stiv> it's adorable!
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> last year marked my 40th year of using the 6502, hence ruby ..
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> so I built a little 'vanity' project sort of thing - I really wanted to go right into the 65816, but I thought I'd stop by the old 6502 first.
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> Mk 1: https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20181115_164041.jpg
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[17:28] <Khaytsus> I'm surprised you can setill get 6502
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon> brand new, get them next day.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> they're approved for use in all sorts of medical kit and they turn up in some weird places like car radios and point of sale tills ..
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> and they are rated to 14Mhz now too. My board runs at 16Mhz.
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[17:32] <stiv> simple processor. fast. nice addressing modes. interesting about medical use approval
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> you can buy it as a soft-core version for inclusion in your own fpga now too.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> all sorts of whacky stuff.
[17:35] <plugwash> There is also at least one open-source FPGA implementation.
[17:35] <plugwash> Someone did a BBC micro clone on a FPGA
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[17:39] <gordonDrogon> to keep this vaguely Pi related, there is the PiTube direct project - stick a Pi Zero on the BBC Micro Tube connector and it can emulate a 250Mhz 6502 ...
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> or all other Tube processors and a few more.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> and I suppose we owe the ARM to the 6502 and Acorn going way back too :)
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[17:42] <hodapp> 8051 is still used in various places too
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> life was simpler back then :)
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[19:11] <donalsd> Hi, I am trying to set up a raspberry pi 3b+ with raspbian stretch lite. I am trying to access it using SSH through ethernet and after putting ip= in cmdline.txt, I tried pinging the ip, but it says Network Host Unreachable.
[19:11] <donalsd> I have also created a blank ssh file in boot, it seems to be going away everytime I plug in the sd card to the rpi.
[19:13] <Pie_Mage> donalsd: the ssh file is only needed once to enable ssh
[19:14] <Pie_Mage> why not use either /etc/dhcpcd.conf or /etc/network/interfaces to assign your ip address?
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[19:18] <akk> The usual way on raspberrypi is to use /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for network assignment.
[19:18] <akk> on raspbian, at least
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[19:26] <Khaytsus> There's some file you can drop into /boot to auto config but I've _never_ gotten that to work
[19:26] <Khaytsus> so yeah I just boot the thing, let it sit for a few minutes, yank the power, put the sdcard in computer/ add wpa_supplicant
[19:27] <akk> You can put a wpa_supplicant.conf in /boot, that works.
[19:28] <Khaytsus> I'll try that.. I don't recall that being the thing to do or I'd remember that ;)
[19:29] <Khaytsus> but yeah that seems to be the way to tackle it.. I haven't set one up in a while, although this looks like 2016 info. Hmff. Maybe I jsut dug up old info before
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> lots & lots of old stuff online. always best to check the foundation website.
[19:34] <DanielTheFox> hargh
[19:34] <Khaytsus> Yep, happens
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[19:35] <ShorTie> ya, anything older then a month should be made to be dated
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[19:36] <Khaytsus> and anything if-then-that or whatever 'guides' site should be quietly hidden from google results
[19:36] <Khaytsus> and quora
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[21:17] <stiv> one of my pet peeves lately is web pages that don't have a date on them.
[21:17] <Habbie> you say it's a pet peeve -lately-
[21:17] <Habbie> but it's hard to tell since when
[21:17] <Habbie> (i will be here all week)
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[21:22] <Snert_> I've been led astray many times by old information.
[21:22] <Snert_> gotta watch that these days
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[21:44] <LKoos> https://www.ptpb.pw/S4Lj my raspberry pi cant ping my default gateway but can ping local devices
[21:46] <Khaytsus> Can other local devices ping the default gateway? It's the same IP?
[21:48] <LKoos> yes
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[21:49] <LKoos> https://www.ptpb.pw/Ax5r
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[22:13] <aos> Yeah I pretty much started with the wpa_supplicant, connected it to wifi. Then set up dhcpcd.conf to give me a static IP address. I didn't know you can setup static IP through dhcpcd.conf and thought it required having access to the router
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[22:58] <faLUCE> can you suggest me a good wirtual keyboard that I can use with my touchscreen (MPI3508 3.5'') on raspberry ?
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