#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-02-05

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[0:04] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: ok
[0:05] <DanielTheFox> http://www.danielthefox.com/stuff/pins.tar.gz
[0:05] <DanielTheFox> those are the pin testing programs
[0:05] <DanielTheFox> you're supposed to invoke routerwhatever.sh from /etc/rc.local
[0:05] <DanielTheFox> the pinchecking programs themselves are harmless
[0:06] <DanielTheFox> be careful with routertest.sh
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[0:07] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: Sweet! Thanks for sharing that stuff!
[0:07] <DanielTheFox> I'll show you config.txt in a sec
[0:07] <DanielTheFox> http://www.danielthefox.com/stuff/config.txt
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[0:10] <friendofafriend> Wow, negative over_voltage! That's so cool.
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[0:10] <DanielTheFox> yes, that's called "undervolting" where I come from
[0:10] <DanielTheFox> completely useless in the gaming folklore
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[0:11] <DanielTheFox> but very handy in the art of saving each milliamp of power available
[0:12] <DanielTheFox> normally, the auto-play folder has pooploads of copyrighted material, so I substituted it with something that is more or less mine
[0:13] <friendofafriend> Huge fan of undervolt and underclocking here, used to live someplace with no A/C and that's how I could keep my PC up. ;P
[0:13] <DanielTheFox> feel free to put copyrighted music if you want to, I think it only works if you actually put music files there (.mp3, .wav, .ogg, whatever)
[0:13] <friendofafriend> I only listen to GPL music.
[0:13] <DanielTheFox> ok
[0:13] <DanielTheFox> cool then
[0:14] <DanielTheFox> the electricity here is not that nice here either
[0:14] <DanielTheFox> when the weather goes bad, electricity goes off
[0:14] <DanielTheFox> I'd like to have some large fancy UPS
[0:15] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: note that the commented lines all around the place mirror my habits with my Pi
[0:15] <DanielTheFox> for example, notice there are some lines that set the framebuffer for 480x320
[0:15] <friendofafriend> Of course! Power can be tough, maybe you could salvage some 18650s?
[0:16] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[0:16] <DanielTheFox> the 480x320 tho, it's for composite video output
[0:16] <friendofafriend> Also, some dope jams. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Free_Software_Song_Bulgarian_Style.ogg
[0:16] <DanielTheFox> the overscan there then should be about 40 pixels each side
[0:16] <DanielTheFox> but that small (but there) overscan is because my HDMI2VGA converter has small quirks here and there
[0:17] <DanielTheFox> and thus I put some overscan
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[0:18] <DanielTheFox> in fact, there's a (commented) line that disables colorburst, thus, disabling color on composite output
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[0:25] <DanielTheFox> :3
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[0:30] <DanielTheFox> I should code an extra jumper that checks if the device should or not be turned off
[0:30] <DanielTheFox> ...yeah, gonna check that
[0:30] <DanielTheFox> :>
[0:30] <DanielTheFox> so I can avoid rude powerdown behavior when I can't use a SSH terminal
[0:32] <friendofafriend> Nothing as much fun as connecting a USB keyboard to a Raspi and shutting it down blind. :P
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[0:42] <friendofafriend> I've got a rather anemic 4000mAh pack for my Raspi Zero W here, trying some power-saving from your config.txt! :)
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[0:50] <DanielTheFox> fair enough
[0:50] <DanielTheFox> I programmed it
[0:51] <DanielTheFox> no rude shutdown anymore
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[0:53] <DanielTheFox> now I want a RS232 3V3 TTL->USB adaptor
[0:54] <toastintheshell> shiftplusone: I read your message from earlier, but I don't have anything before "also take a look at PINN if you're into that kind of thing"
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[0:54] <DanielTheFox> so I can access the Pi through UART, just like Khaytsus routinely does
[0:54] <friendofafriend> That's basically all Khaytsus ever does.
[0:54] <friendofafriend> Can you do it with an Arduino?
[0:54] <DanielTheFox> what exactly?
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[0:55] <friendofafriend> Use the Arduino as a UART adapter.
[0:55] <DanielTheFox> unfortunately, I don't have an Arduino
[0:55] <DanielTheFox> the original purpose of the Pi I bought was replacing my cellphone and using it as a laptop
[0:55] <DanielTheFox> and it was a nice success at everything
[0:56] <friendofafriend> If you ever find an Arduino, check out this gist. https://gist.github.com/wmhilton/6034455
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[0:56] <friendofafriend> You can do it with lots of other microcontrollers, too. Works on the ESP-01.
[0:56] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[0:56] <DanielTheFox> talking about the Arduino
[0:56] <DanielTheFox> they have only 2 KB RAM, right?
[0:57] <friendofafriend> You got it.
[0:57] <DanielTheFox> fair enough
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[0:58] <DanielTheFox> I wouldn't even use C on that :)
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[0:58] <DanielTheFox> I think it'll be cleaner (although harder) to use ASM
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[1:00] <BurtyB> ram depends on which ic is in the arduino
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[1:10] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: You mean I access Chi through FART.
[1:10] <Khaytsus> But similar, I get the confusion
[1:10] <friendofafriend> Hmmmm, about Arduino models?
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[1:11] <friendofafriend> To be fair, you're best off getting a few adapters at $0.80/ea.
[1:11] <friendofafriend> I don't think even a clone Arduino Nano from eBay is close to that price.
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[1:50] <DaCoolCat> Go Raspberry Pi!
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[2:01] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: yeah, if only they were that cheap in Mexico...
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[2:05] <DanielTheFox> easy as Pi!
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[5:20] <moog> </quit
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[5:35] <synack> protip: go for the Prolific PL2303 adapters, rather than the FT232 ones, the PL2303 can do 1.5 Mbps, which I've seen on a handful of recent ARM boards, FT232 maxes out at 115200
[5:36] <synack> *unless you need 5V tolerant, then go with the FTDI... or just have a few of both
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[6:10] <ASB2> Err:8 http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian stretch/main armhf ruby-did-you-mean all 1.0.0-2
[6:10] <ASB2> 404 Not Found [IP: 5.153.225.207 80]
[6:10] <ASB2> Is this happening to anyone else or have I messed something trying to install ruby
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[6:23] <bhez> ASB2: I just got that myself. must be some server maintenance
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[7:38] <moonstroller25> I'm using a wifi keyboard/mouse combination with usb dongle. I'd like to use one pi to be a switch for the keyboard to control the other three pis.
[7:38] <moonstroller25> Links? Ideas?
[7:39] <moonstroller25> What would be a good way to word the search for this idea?
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[7:44] <moonstroller25> Basicly I'd be using one pi as a kvm switch with a multiple usb output, powered module. I'd be pluigging in each pi to the module via usb. the module plug would connect to the kvm pi which would switch the keyboard and mouse between the three pi's.
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[8:30] <moonstroller25> Sorry for sudden detachment. :)
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[9:31] <friendofafriend> moonstroller25: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/share-keyboardmouse-between-multiple-computers-x2x
[9:32] <friendofafriend> And you can find code over here. https://github.com/dottedmag/x2x
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[10:24] <aZz7eCh> Can my RPI2's drive these relays from the GPIO up/down pins? https://goo.gl/K2ogcY
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[10:26] <aZz7eCh> at the moment we are using 8-channel 5v relay boards... but interested in switching to these din rail relays to end wiring/mess. thing is... with the 8-chan relay boards, you carry the 5v over to power the board, as well as the gpios to the control pins. there is no carry the 5v over in this situation with these relays as linked ... any pointers?
[10:26] <ShorTie> looks like it to me
[10:27] <aZz7eCh> the gpio's send out enough power (15ma) at 3.3ish v ?
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[10:30] <ShorTie> it's pushing the limit, but 2-3 on at a time should be ok
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[10:31] <ShorTie> might be able to add a resistor to drop the 15ma a little and be able to use more at 1 time
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[10:32] <aZz7eCh> hmm we have 5 circuits that can all be on at same time
[10:32] <aZz7eCh> so on a rpi2 model b, i'd be well passed the available power ?
[10:32] <aZz7eCh> past? passed .... passed.
[10:33] <BurtyB> think there's a 50ma limit per gpio bank or something
[10:33] <aZz7eCh> gah damn... okay so immediately shooting this idea in the foot me things
[10:33] <aZz7eCh> thinks*
[10:35] <BurtyB> 50mA for gpio0-27 and 50mA for gpio28-45 from the CM datasheet
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, those relays will be OK from the Pi. they won't pull 15mA - more like 5mA each.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> they would pull more current if you were feeding them from a higher voltage source. The thing to mind is that sometimes their on-board indicator LED won't light fully - may just be dim.
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> that's my experience with using SSRs with indicators, anyway.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> the obligatory don't do this at home image: https://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
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[10:58] <aZz7eCh> hmmm
[10:58] <aZz7eCh> Shortie & BurtyB vs gD ... if you're sure about that, i'll grab some and try them then
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> the one thing I'm not sure about is the little schematic on the side of thos SSRs - it shows diodes back to back and no resistor. The SSRs I've used have had internal limiting resistors.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> it's easy to check though - just stick an ammeter in-line with it and feed one off the Pi's 3.3v supply.
[11:07] <aZz7eCh> well ... i'll order some and will take a few weeks till they get here from china
[11:07] <aZz7eCh> fiddle with it then and see
[11:07] <aZz7eCh> i'm thinking for $50 its a worthwhile gamble if they work fine
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> china... cheap ... lets hope you're not controlling anything remotely life critical....
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[11:19] <aZz7eCh> no just 240v circuits
[11:19] <aZz7eCh> equivalent version from my supplier here is like $50 EA
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[11:51] <shiftplusone> toastintheshell: there was nothing else. That was a response to your appreciation for berryboot
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[12:26] <tommy``> 3
[12:26] <tommy``> ops sorry
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[12:42] <GeekOfflineNL> hi
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[13:31] <Emil> Hey
[13:32] <Emil> To disabled hdmi on boot, I should add hdmi_blanking=1 to /boot/config.txt?
[13:32] <Emil> and also disable_splash=1
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> no idea, but hdmi normally disables itself if there is nothing plugged in.
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[14:17] <shiftplusone> Emil: those options are not related to disabling hdmi
[14:20] <shiftplusone> hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 will force composite even if HDMI is plugged in
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[14:53] <Emil> shiftplusone: eh?
[14:53] <Emil> I don't want composite, I don't want any kind of video.
[14:53] <shiftplusone> It's there either way, it's just a matter of where it goes.
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> don't plug anything in and use raspi-config to enable boot to console to disable X starting.
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[14:56] <shiftplusone> I just found hdmi_blanking=2, which is indirectly related, but still probably not what you're after. It's not clear what you're actually after though.
[14:56] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/352
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[14:56] <ShorTie> what's the matter with some video ??
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[16:13] <Emil> Anyone put the filesystem in read only mode?
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[16:14] <shiftplusone> sure
[16:15] <Fulgen> Emil: put /var onto a writable partition / filesystem, the rest can be read only
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[16:19] <stiv> and /tmp ?
[16:19] <Fulgen> /tmp is usually tmpfs (in RAM)
[16:22] <stiv> that sounds shaky, depending...
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> why shaky?
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[16:38] <stiv> too much junk written to /tmp might chew up all available memory. as i said, it all depends on what you are doing. and if anything goes wrong...
[16:38] * stiv 's sysadmin gene makes him paranoid
[16:39] <sublevel> afaik it's still a file system and it has a set amount of space
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> /tmp is by its nature, temporary - is usualyl wiped at reboot time with it mounted on media, and ramdisk mounting, you set the size.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> look in /etc/defaults/tmpfs where you can set the size.
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[17:03] <Emil> Fulgen: I put / and /boot into ro
[17:03] <Emil> Seems to work just fine
[17:04] <Fulgen> Emil: if /var is ro you get some funny bugs
[17:04] <Emil> Fulgen: like?
[17:04] <Fulgen> like dnsmasq not being able to give out IP addresses
[17:04] <Emil> Fulgen: issue is that I don't want to logging to fuck up my sd card :D
[17:05] <Fulgen> then disable the journal...
[17:05] <Emil> Fulgen: dnsmasq is not there by default, right?
[17:05] <Emil> Fulgen: how should I do that
[17:05] <Fulgen> https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/63985/how-to-correctly-disable-journald/
[17:05] <Emil> Fulgen: journald is not the same thing as logging
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> Emil, try to keep it family friendly, please.
[17:05] <Fulgen> first google result (no claim that it works)
[17:06] <Emil> You can have multiple systems that attempt to log to various logs on /var/log
[17:06] <Fulgen> then mount nullfs on /var/log
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> or another tmpfs and diable/uninstall rsyslogd
[17:07] <Emil> rsyslog doesn't handle it for everything, either
[17:07] <Emil> for example ntp still happily logs even after rsyslog disabled
[17:07] <Fulgen> mounting /var read only because of _logging_ is like using a nuke as a pesticide
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> so ....or another tmpfs and diable/uninstall rsyslogd
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> it all helps.
[17:08] <Emil> Anycase, how should I configure the wifi so that it automatically connects
[17:08] <Emil> right now I have two interfaces, one usb0 and wlan0 and both seem to work
[17:08] <Fulgen> usb0 is from ethernet forwarding
[17:08] <Emil> but the moment I just plug it into a usb power source, wlan0 doesn't want to come up
[17:08] <Emil> Fulgen: I know
[17:08] <Fulgen> (also, you need /var read write to use autoconnect afaik)
[17:08] <Emil> gah
[17:09] <Emil> might explain then
[17:09] <Fulgen> do you even know what var stands for
[17:09] <Emil> Fulgen: it stands for variable
[17:09] <Fulgen> ""/var is a standard subdirectory of the root directory in Linux and other Unix-like operating systems that contains files to which the system writes data during the course of its operation."
[17:10] <Emil> Okay so what was the command to mount /var/ as tmpfs?
[17:10] <Fulgen> sorry mods, I have to do it - "don't be a help vampire"
[17:11] <Emil> Fulgen: this is far from being a help vampire and is in the context of the discussion
[17:12] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/piserver/blob/master/scripts/convert_chrooted_cmds
[17:12] <Fulgen> Emil: a little googling like "mount /var tmpfs" doesn't hurt
[17:12] <Emil> shiftplusone: nice, thanks
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[17:14] <Emil> did just doing tmpfs /var tmpfs defaults,noatime 0 0 result in the content of the /var/ directory being copied onto that tmpfs first?
[17:14] <Emil> or does it become blank
[17:15] <plugwash> a freshly mounted tmpfs will always be blank, so if you want to make /var a tmpfs you will need to hack up the boot process to populate it.
[17:15] <Emil> plugwash: exactly what I was fearing and after Fulgen ...
[17:15] <shiftplusone> plugwash: o/ ah... we're on at the same time for once. I think I've missed a few pings from you.
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[17:20] <DanielTheFox> can I make an AI tic-tac-toe player with a Pi Zero?
[17:20] <shiftplusone> yup
[17:20] <DanielTheFox> nice
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[17:21] <Fulgen> DanielTheFox: make it move a pen to draw its symbols on real paper!
[17:21] <Emil> So something like this: https://emil.fi/m/2019-02-05_18-21-39_Wr7JVdC2.png should work?
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[17:22] <DanielTheFox> yeah, I was thinking about that
[17:22] <DanielTheFox> I remember about the C64 once being used for that, but only on its own video output
[17:22] <DanielTheFox> why not using an arm and drawing on paper?
[17:23] <DanielTheFox> (I wonder if that would be doable on an Arduino)
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[17:30] <Fulgen> you might need something like OpenCV in order to recognize what's on the paper
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> DanielTheFox, Tic-Tac-toe (aka noughts and crosses) is a solved puzzle. a trivial look-up table works and you can win or draw every single time.
[17:32] <DanielTheFox> yes
[17:32] <DanielTheFox> that eases up setting difficulty
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[17:33] <DanielTheFox> Paid (always loses), Easy (fails easily), Normal (as falible as an inexpert human) and Perfect (never loses, can only win or tie)
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> what about nine mens morris? Also a solved game, but a bit more challenging.
[17:34] <shiftplusone> Paid? Getting EA to publish it with microtransactions?
[17:34] <DanielTheFox> shiftplusone: paid, as in you paid him to lose
[17:35] <DanielTheFox> so you always win
[17:35] <DanielTheFox> like corruption in sports
[17:35] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I got it.
[17:35] <Fulgen> what's the point of playing then =P
[17:35] <shiftplusone> Just the thought of EA publishing naughts and crosses with pay-to-win built in amused me a little.
[17:36] * plugwash wonders, is it possible to force a draw against a tic-tac-toe opponent that is actively trying to lose
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[17:36] <DanielTheFox> plugwash: you'll end with a jumble mess each playground
[17:36] <DanielTheFox> instead of attempts to close the line
[17:36] <DanielTheFox> as if two 4-year-old kids were attempting to play
[17:37] <plugwash> Right but what if a player actively tries to lose, that is they don't just attempt to not-win, they attempt to push the opponent into winning
[17:37] <DanielTheFox> Fulgen: probably telling your friends "I can win easily against the computer"
[17:38] <DanielTheFox> plugwash: maybe
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> this may be more challenging: The Royal Game of Ur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZskjLq040I
[17:38] <Fulgen> DanielTheFox: :P
[17:38] <Fulgen> "I can win easily against the computer program I designed to fail"
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[17:39] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[17:40] <DanielTheFox> what's the point of playing soccer against a bribed opponent and bribed referees
[17:40] <DanielTheFox> :P
[17:40] <DanielTheFox> yet it happens IRL
[17:40] <Fulgen> money
[17:40] <DanielTheFox> money money money
[17:40] <Fulgen> given how much you earn with a win in soccer
[17:40] <DanielTheFox> I definitely believe you can buy thing that make you happy with money
[17:41] <DanielTheFox> for example, chocolate
[17:41] <Fulgen> yea
[17:41] <DanielTheFox> or raspberry pi computers
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[17:41] <Fulgen> nice way to stay ontopic :D
[17:42] <DanielTheFox> I'd buy bulk of Pi Zero W, Pi 3B+ and Pi 3A
[17:42] <DanielTheFox> if I had enough money to spend it as if I was gonna have more tomorrow
[17:43] <Fulgen> why a 3A?
[17:44] <DanielTheFox> no built-in USB hub, fairly good for stuff that can be embebbed or where you want all the features of the 3B without guzzling as much power
[17:44] <DanielTheFox> and less RAM, thus, I can buy more with the same amount of money
[17:44] <plugwash> Minor nitpick: the 3A was never released, there is only a 3A+
[17:44] <DanielTheFox> wat
[17:44] <DanielTheFox> oh, yeah
[17:44] <DanielTheFox> typo
[17:44] <DanielTheFox> *3A+
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[17:45] <DanielTheFox> whatevah
[17:45] <Fulgen> yeah, power consumption is a thing
[17:46] <Fulgen> I've got a 3B screwed onto the back of a 10.1" HDMI screen which requires 5V and 3A max, given the 2.5A a 3B needs at max, it will be lovely to find a suitable powerbank...
[17:46] <Fulgen> might look into putting two in parallel
[17:47] <DanielTheFox> I use a regular 2.4A 12500mAh powerbank with my 3B+
[17:47] <RoyK> Fulgen: I doubt you'll find a powerbank that can output 4,5A
[17:48] <Fulgen> DanielTheFox: I've got a 20000mAh 2.1A one, so the Pi alone works
[17:48] <Fulgen> RoyK: yeah
[17:48] <RoyK> Fulgen: better get three "normal" ones and connect them in parallel - most of them can do 2A
[17:48] <Fulgen> do they have something that protects them from applying voltage to the out ports?
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[17:49] <Fulgen> (the usual potential difference in parallel batteries stuff)
[17:49] <DanielTheFox> I do some cheating to reduce power consumption when I want to
[17:50] <RoyK> what sort of cheating?
[17:50] <DanielTheFox> for example, I disable the USB hub (thus killing ethernet and USB ports) and shut video output off (tvservice -o)
[17:50] <RoyK> then what do you use it for?
[17:51] <DanielTheFox> only two ways to shut it down are through shorted GPIO pins (I know which since I programmed that) and SSH into WiFi AP mode (I set it to AP mode) and use the command line
[17:51] <DanielTheFox> or, well, disconnecting it (but it's RUUUUUDE!)
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[17:51] <DanielTheFox> RoyK: playing music all nite
[17:51] <RoyK> ok
[17:51] <DanielTheFox> I use the analog audio output, which isn't disabled
[17:52] <Fulgen> speaking about GPIO shorting, is there anything special I need for that to power it up? shorting GPIO 5 & 6 doesn't wake it from the halted state
[17:52] <RoyK> yeah - schtemt - wifi isn't on the usb bus on the 3+
[17:52] <DanielTheFox> Fulgen: short PEN/RUN with GND
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> the run pins are reset - short them and it'll boot.
[17:53] <DanielTheFox> any will do
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> you can also short one of the I2C pins to 0v to reboot too.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> (after a halt)
[17:53] <DanielTheFox> PEN or RUN need to be shorted with GND
[17:53] <DanielTheFox> then open the short
[17:53] <DanielTheFox> and voilà
[17:53] <DanielTheFox> it'll reboot
[17:54] <DanielTheFox> I do it sometimes with a regular 3.5mm aux cable (using the tips)
[17:54] <DanielTheFox> a lot of things are GND
[17:54] <DanielTheFox> for example, the big metal (shield) on the HDMI port, the Ethernet port and the USB ports
[17:54] <Fulgen> gordonDrogon: GPIO 2 and 3?
[17:55] <DanielTheFox> those big metal pieces appear to be connected to GND, at least on the Pi 3B+
[17:55] <Fulgen> DanielTheFox: well, the RUN header is a bit difficult to short from outside :p
[17:55] <DanielTheFox> Fulgen: true, I don't use a case in that case :P
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> Fulgen, physical pin 5
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/buttonBoot
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[18:11] <Fulgen> gordonDrogon: will try that, thanks!
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[18:14] <Fulgen> yep, works
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[18:14] <Fulgen> (hope I won't accidentally short GPIO 2 to 5V =S)
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[19:22] <Mezzmer> http://twitch.tv/ubercereals
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> that's an inappropriate video for here.
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[19:25] <DanielTheFox> what's that?
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> gone. nothing to see. move on.
[19:25] <DanielTheFox> glad I'm on Linux VT, unable to watch videos
[19:26] <Jusii> vlc does have ascii art output module
[19:27] <DanielTheFox> can vlc play directly twitch videos?
[19:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> DanielTheFox yes
[19:28] <Jusii> well, there's addon for that
[19:28] <DanielTheFox> fair enough
[19:28] <DanielTheFox> aww
[19:29] <MrCrackPotBuilde> no need for add on as can use command line
[19:29] <Jusii> aa, built-in then
[19:29] <DanielTheFox> ok, fair enough then
[19:29] <DanielTheFox> but I don't really watch twitch videos anyway
[19:30] <DanielTheFox> nor streams
[19:30] <DanielTheFox> actually
[19:30] <DanielTheFox> I don't even watch streams
[19:31] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Jusii you can use the open network stream if you have the link
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[21:51] <slicktux> Hello, anyone here ever use the banana-pi?
[21:51] <DanielTheFox> don't they even have forums nor IRC channels?
[21:51] <slicktux> The forums are terrible and the IRC is dead.
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> (also, if I was you, I'd be slightly afraid to even come here, there might be people who automatically assume a competition-user coming here like a turf ware)
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> *turf war
[21:53] <Lartza> I mean, is that our fault their community sucks? :P
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[21:53] <DanielTheFox> Lartza: can I bring the grenades and the beans?
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[21:55] <Lartza> Hehe
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[21:56] <Lartza> Plenty of people have some knowledge of banana pi's here though, you should try asking a real question instead probably
[21:56] <Lartza> But they are chinese knock-off pi's that aren't that great, what more do you need to know about them :P
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[21:56] <DanielTheFox> how horrible are they?
[21:56] <DanielTheFox> they aren't even sold here
[21:58] <slicktux> Well, I found it interesting as it has internal eMMC memory. . .and I wanted to avoid the sd card killing of the rasp-pi. . .
[21:58] <slicktux> anyhow. . .
[21:58] <slicktux> I'll head over to the forums. .
[21:58] <Lartza> My SD card is just fine, something is wrong in your rpi setup possibly? :)
[21:58] <Lartza> There are plenty of better emmc boards imho
[21:58] <slicktux> Lartza: What could it be?
[21:58] <Lartza> Bad power supply?
[21:59] <DanielTheFox> there have been terror stories about older models of Pi killing SD cards
[21:59] <slicktux> I mean my Pi has killed plenty of SD cards. . .maybe it is because of unplugging without shutting down?
[21:59] <Lartza> That too...
[21:59] <DanielTheFox> not that they apply anymore on newer models, and unplugging like that is bound to cause problems of any kind and size
[22:00] <slicktux> But, I tend to be cautious. . .I do compile a lot on the cards. ..and I assume they can't handle the R/W. . .I mean they are SD cards.
[22:00] <Lartza> DanielTheFox, I'm personally not a fan of mediatek or allwinner
[22:00] <Lartza> Also banana pi has like, at least 20 different boards for some reason
[22:00] <Lartza> Okay 19
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> I disable swap on my Pi
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> everything is fine
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> and I have plenty of RAM (1 GB) anyway, who needs more RAM than that?
[22:01] <mlelstv> firefox
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[22:01] <Lartza> Chrome would like to have a word with you
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> and why browsers are heavy anyway? :)
[22:01] <Lartza> Ehhhh too many reasons to list
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> ok, end of discussion here, it's slowly scalating to rand (my fault)
[22:01] <Lartza> Mostly because websites are
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> *rant
[22:01] <Lartza> And web is complex
[22:02] <Lartza> Well it is pretty quiet at this hour :)
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> yeah, but I don't like other people ranting on family-friendly channels
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> and I guess most people here dislike so too
[22:02] <Lartza> Yeah probably
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> do we count a banana pi as a RPi bootleg?
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[22:03] <Lartza> No, it's more of a clone
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> ok
[22:03] <Lartza> It's not really totally the same device, nor is it a ripoff or fake of any kind
[22:03] <Lartza> Just same form factor and connections etc
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> cellphone clones are often worse than their real counterparts
[22:04] <DanielTheFox> (thus, not clones in the real sense)
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[22:04] <Lartza> Well they aren't trying to sell as a raspberry pi
[22:04] <Lartza> They have totally different SoC's etc
[22:04] <DanielTheFox> that's a relief
[22:04] <DanielTheFox> they have a low reputation to maintain :)
[22:05] <Lartza> And plenty of good SBC's have the same form factor as the RPi like odroid and at least some rock boards
[22:05] <Lartza> There's even a Rock Pi now
[22:05] <Lartza> But I don't remember if it was from the rock64 guys or different
[22:08] <Lartza> I think odroid at one point wanted to use the BCM SoC's the Pi uses but Broadcom after initial discussions refused to sell them any
[22:09] <Lartza> So that might be a reason why there are no total bootlegs out there of the pi
[22:09] <Lartza> At least not popular ones
[22:09] <DanielTheFox> fair enough, it's a nice thing that the Pi is so low-cost
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> it is rather unfeasible to make ripoffs
[22:10] <Lartza> Who'd even want to copy such a bad SBC /s ;)
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> the Raspberry Pi, I mean
[22:10] <Lartza> I think most of the clones do something better to cover uses the RPi doesn't really even try to since it focuses on affordability and education
[22:10] <Lartza> I know, I meant that too :D
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> haha, then
[22:11] <Lartza> It's underpowered, has bad IO, not a lot of memory
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> true
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> at least it's low cost
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> it didn't require selling my clothes out to buy it :)
[22:11] <Lartza> Yes, because the focus is education and etc
[22:11] <Lartza> Still costs like 55€ for me
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> and I need to be educated in electronics anyway
[22:12] <DanielTheFox> and programming too
[22:12] <dTal> the functionality of a pi zero w, for the price, is nothing short of flabbergasting
[22:12] <Lartza> Ah, seems the price is down to 40€
[22:12] <Lartza> The zero is pretty great, but I think the foundation makes no profit from them possibly
[22:12] <DanielTheFox> to be fair, I want a Pi Zero W
[22:12] <Lartza> Could be wrong
[22:12] <dTal> I hope they make at least a little
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> but they're about 2x the proper price here
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> so, uhh
[22:13] <Lartza> "proper"?
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> I mean
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> here they are 25 USD
[22:13] <Lartza> Shipping and taxes aren't free
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> the bare board, what even USA would pay 15 USD
[22:13] <Lartza> I can't even get one locally I don't thjink
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> and some dishonest sellers just go further and further, up to 40 USD
[22:14] <Lartza> Ah nvm of course farnell suppliers sell them
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> so, well
[22:14] <dTal> that sounds like a good racket
[22:14] <Lartza> zero w + 8GB sd + case 43,50€
[22:15] <DanielTheFox> on the other hand
[22:15] <dTal> hah, only an 8x markup :p
[22:15] <Lartza> From my local farnell importer
[22:15] <DanielTheFox> my 3B+ costed me 45 USD
[22:15] <DanielTheFox> which is only 10 USD over the "official" price
[22:15] <Lartza> There is no official price though
[22:16] <Lartza> If you have taxes, it's going to be more than the "official" price
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> hence why the doublequotes
[22:16] <Lartza> I also live in Finland, importing here is expensive
[22:16] <Lartza> But 24% VAT is fun too
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> I'm just too far away, the government doesn't seem to put overtaxes on imports
[22:17] <DanielTheFox> like, mostly, only cars and containers as whole appear to pay expensive taxes
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[22:21] <krautguy> i got the error message while trying tu build an debug a c++ program
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