#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-02-08

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[0:06] <toastintheshell> Anyone have any experience with the pi-top laptop? I was thinking of grabbing one of those
[0:08] <Bitweasil> For what? An Intel netbook is going to be way more useful for the same money.
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[0:11] <toastintheshell> Bitweasil: I was thinking of doing a mod project
[0:14] <toastintheshell> jam like 4 or 5 in one case, with a master pi acting as a (mostly) dumb terminal with not much more than xorg, a basic window manager, and ssh
[0:16] <Bitweasil> For what?
[0:17] <toastintheshell> another one as a dedicated browser server, does nothing but sends a lightweight browser with X forwarding. One more might just be for miscellaneous whatever (probably keep it on berryboot, rebooting at will to whatever img strikes my fancy, controlled by the master), and maybe the last one would act as a router for internet access and switching between the other 3...
[0:17] <toastintheshell> something along those lines
[0:18] <flyback> toastintheshell, +5 for clever nick
[0:18] <toastintheshell> basically I wanted to see if I could get more or less a similar experience with a few raspis as I get with my $3000 laptop
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[0:23] <toastintheshell> and more importantly, would it be possible to use these cheap little computers as modular parts of a single personal computing platform instead of the traditional single-system. And can it be modular enough that you could add as many as you want without the complexity of scaling overtaking its benefits?
[0:23] <toastintheshell> people seem to like my nick :)
[0:25] <toastintheshell> ultimately I'd like to see if you could actually figure out a way to use clustering to boost performance on day-to-day stuff, rather than just hyper-specialized scientific applications... although I'm aware that's probably impractical
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[0:31] <toastintheshell> So I'm thinking of using the pitop as my peripherals for the primary brains of the project, then dock it to a larger non-portable portion of the network
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[0:39] <Bitweasil> Honestly, Qubes OS sounds like a whole lot less pain in the rear.
[0:39] <Bitweasil> Network bandwidth on the Pis sucks, compute is meh, RAM is limited.
[0:39] <Bitweasil> You might be able to make it "work" but it's not going to perform anywhere near a modern x86 machine.
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[0:49] <DanielTheFox> glad I don't even own modern x86 machines
[0:49] <DanielTheFox> which eases my job of liking my RPi 3B+
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[0:50] <toastintheshell> Bitweasil: well these are what we have available *now*, but I'm betting tiny cheap computers like these will only get better for less money as IoT becomes more of a thing (with all the commercial R&D driving innovation in the commercial sector)
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[0:52] <toastintheshell> I mean there are other systems that give you more bang for your buck already, but I live a mile from a brick and mortar with every pi ever made and a ton of peripherals
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[0:54] <toastintheshell> qubes was a big inspiration for this project as well, just with physical separation of security contexts rather than virtual
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[0:55] <Bitweasil> DanielTheFox, I like my 3B+ as well - I'm using it as a light desktop. But I don't pretend it's an x86 replacement either.
[0:55] <toastintheshell> other pros: cheap/easy backups of software *and* hardware, completely modular (every replacement is literally just the same device)
[0:56] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[0:56] <Bitweasil> Yeah, but if you use the SD cards, horrid write performance, and not enough network bandwidth to really netboot them.
[0:56] <Bitweasil> Or not to run a cluster of them without something else for storage.
[0:56] <DanielTheFox> the thing is that my computers here are so powerless the Pi is actually a fair replacement
[0:56] <Bitweasil> 300-400Mbit is nice, off one, but one netbooting a bunch of others... eh.
[0:56] <toastintheshell> Bitweasil: not pretending anything, this is just a sort of proof of concept study
[0:56] <Bitweasil> Fair.
[0:56] <Bitweasil> I mean, sounds fun, just of limited use.
[0:57] <DanielTheFox> particularly, I like the hardware h264 encoder
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[0:58] <DanielTheFox> if I happen to have the chance, I should really try once in my life to make a Pi cluster computing array (or whatever the correct term is) ;)
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[0:59] <toastintheshell> well 60% of my computing consists of a terminal emulator, 35% in a browser, so I don't think I'll be missing much
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[1:00] <DanielTheFox> later on, I should also upgrade this Pentium 4 (did I tell you my computers here are powerless?) to Core 2 Duo, hopefully making it worth again
[1:00] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: why no x86 machines? just no need?
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[1:00] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: lack of budget
[1:00] <DanielTheFox> more than just a constrained one
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[1:01] <DanielTheFox> I mean, I'm running this stuff for free
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[1:01] <toastintheshell> that's another potential pro of using lots of little inexpensive computers, you can buy just enough machine for your budget as needed
[1:01] <DanielTheFox> got this amazing ThinkCentre as a gift two years ago
[1:02] <DanielTheFox> heh
[1:02] <DanielTheFox> and by no budget, I mean I'm running literally for free ;)
[1:02] <DanielTheFox> no change to upgrade on my own for now
[1:02] <toastintheshell> oh, that's the thinkpad desktop right?
[1:02] <DanielTheFox> yes
[1:02] <DanielTheFox> currently it has a Pentium 4 at 2.8GHz
[1:02] <toastintheshell> nice, is that before or after lenovo bought it?
[1:02] <DanielTheFox> after, but not that much
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[1:02] <DanielTheFox> it still has IBM logos on the front
[1:03] <toastintheshell> yeah it was pretty close in time
[1:03] <DanielTheFox> but the lenovo one is more prominent
[1:03] <DanielTheFox> before that, I was using a netbook with Intel Atom N270 at 1.6GHz as main computer
[1:04] <DanielTheFox> the Pi is faster than that netbook and uses less power
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[1:04] <DanielTheFox> the netbook is now a reverse router, grabbing WiFi and NATting to my wired LAN
[1:04] <DanielTheFox> so that wired-only computers can get internet
[1:05] <toastintheshell> I loved all the thinkpads I've had, I should really open up that last one and see if it's salvagable, I think it was just a basic power issue or something
[1:06] <DanielTheFox> and now that I know how to use the h264 hardware encoder
[1:06] <DanielTheFox> I like this Pi even more
[1:06] <DanielTheFox> since it encodes to h264 many many times faster than my Pentium 4 (at least twice as powerful in CPU terms) can do
[1:07] <DanielTheFox> (and, on the other hand, the ThinkCentre consumes about 20-30 times the Pi does) ;)
[1:07] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: that's funny, I have a pi0w as a pseudo- wifi adapter for this macbook, because the wifi drivers for linux just aren't quite there yet
[1:07] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[1:07] <DanielTheFox> my netbook has painful b43 card
[1:08] <DanielTheFox> but not that bad, at least I could grab some drivers, shove them in and now I'm happy
[1:08] <DanielTheFox> wifi works
[1:10] <DanielTheFox> also, for one of my usecases, I should also grab a Pi Zero WH
[1:10] <DanielTheFox> but they're insanely expensive here
[1:10] <DanielTheFox> 25 USD the less dishonest sellers
[1:11] <toastintheshell> oh really? I think mine was $10
[1:11] <toastintheshell> where do you live?
[1:11] <DanielTheFox> Mexico
[1:14] <toastintheshell> cool, how is the maker scene in mexico?
[1:14] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: this is a land where people actually pull profit out of charity stuff
[1:14] <DanielTheFox> slow as heck
[1:14] <DanielTheFox> it's a chicken-and-egg trouble
[1:14] <DanielTheFox> nobody buys techy stuff at all because prices are high
[1:15] <DanielTheFox> prices don't go down because nobody buys that
[1:15] <toastintheshell> ah, yeah, so what's the 3b+ go for then?
[1:16] <DanielTheFox> luckily the 3B+ was just 45 USD
[1:16] <DanielTheFox> now it's around 50-55 USD
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[1:16] <DanielTheFox> but counting the price in USD is unfair because the price relative to USD of many things is barely movig
[1:16] <DanielTheFox> *moving
[1:17] <DanielTheFox> people obviously don't earn relative to USD, they earn with local currency and it's often fixed if the business never leaves the country
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[1:19] <toastintheshell> damn, are those price differences similar with all electronics, like traditional laptops/desktops?
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[1:20] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: compare yourself
[1:20] <DanielTheFox> regular HP 14" screen, non-touch, Celeron, 4 GB RAM, Windows 8 or 10, they're around 300 USD
[1:21] <DanielTheFox> want a less horrible CPU? Core i3? that's 100 USD more
[1:21] <DanielTheFox> MacBook? uhh, that's for rich boys! as low as 700 USD
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[1:22] <Prestige> so I have an ootb pi 3B+ with a linux bootable usb in, power cable and hdmi plugged in, power indicator light is on but no display for hdmi. Am I missing something?
[1:23] <toastintheshell> damn, does win10 even run on a Celeron?
[1:23] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: it walks
[1:23] <DanielTheFox> :)
[1:23] <toastintheshell> lol
[1:24] <DanielTheFox> gaming rig for, uhh, last-year games for PC? no problem, just as cheap as an used car, 2000 USD or more
[1:25] <toastintheshell> Prestige: do you have a live network cable? what happens if you plug it in?
[1:25] <DanielTheFox> (it's often cheaper to just buy legal videogame systems (which aren't really inflated) and games instead of a single gaming PC and pirating every game now and then)
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[1:26] <Prestige> I'll try it out, give me a min
[1:27] <DanielTheFox> and talking about piracy, it's incredibly unenforced
[1:27] <Prestige> ah the power isn't even staying on unless i keep pressure on it...
[1:27] <DanielTheFox> it's not your typical US situation "hey, I downloaded stuff through torrent and got a mail from FBI/police/DMCA/my ISP threatening me to stop doing that"
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[1:28] <DanielTheFox> it never happens here
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[1:28] <DanielTheFox> police barely ever messes with obvious pirated movie sellers on your corner
[1:29] <DanielTheFox> you can definitely assure your data is private, even if transfrred through unencrypted data channels and protocols!
[1:29] <Prestige> toastintheshell: ethernet plugged in, still no display
[1:30] <Prestige> also tried the ribbon display with the screen I got, no cigar
[1:30] <toastintheshell> Prestige: I really hope they switch to USB-C for the next iteration, microUSB was such a garbage standard
[1:30] <Prestige> I agree
[1:31] <DanielTheFox> heck, now I'll have to buy USB-C chargers, USB-C cables, and microUSB to USB-C adapters
[1:31] <Prestige> I wonder if it's just not booting from the usb like it's supposed to
[1:32] <Prestige> I am concerned about the power connection, maybe I should send the pi back.
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[1:43] <toastintheshell> Prestige: definitely try some more microusb cables, those things warp so easily
[1:45] <toastintheshell> the female ports I think are a little less prone to failure than the cables
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[2:35] <therion23> i know this is semi off topic, but any of you got a suggestion for a bitmap editor i can use to draw logos for an inky phat? something as simple and light weight as Deluxe Paint in the good old days, and preferably for macOS although Debian will do
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[2:49] <tristero> therion23: you can use Gimp, export as black-and-white, and perhaps use another tool to convert to bitmap file format of your choice. See https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Creating_Icons/ for example
[2:50] <therion23> tristero: gimp is much too heavy for such a small task if you ask me .. i was looking for something super light with an old school feel, since i am gonna work with such a small display :)
[2:51] <therion23> but yeah, agreed, if all else fails, gimp to the rescue, great product
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[3:19] <therion23> ooh, grafx2 looks tasty
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[4:24] <SMPL> Could this be used to power 4 strands of LEDs https://www.amazon.com/KNACRO-Converter-Step-down-Transformer-Waterproof/dp/B07D2833Y7 ???
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[4:25] <SMPL> r/strands/strips
[4:25] <Haxxa> SMPL, yes
[4:26] <Haxxa> I assume you mean 5 led stips of 1-2m length?
[4:26] <Haxxa> which run at 5v
[4:26] <SMPL> Yeah 1M strips 144LEDs
[4:26] <SMPL> I can just use the 1 Buck? or would I need one per strip ?
[4:28] <SMPL> 144LEDs per strip
[4:29] <Haxxa> SMPL, yeah 1 buck will be fine it has max 150w rating tahts ample
[4:29] <Haxxa> *thats
[4:31] <SMPL> Awesome Sauce! Thanks for the help/info.
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[6:31] <wurst> I read somewhere that the Pi has 2 hardware PWM channels; I’m only aware of GPIO18.. what is the other one?
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[6:33] <wurst> And it if in fact has 2 PWM channels, can the be controlled at the same time?
[6:33] <wurst> they*
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[7:06] <wurst> Seem to have found it.. 4 pins but 2 pairs.
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[7:46] <mlelstv> it's two PWM signals, not completely independent.
[7:47] <mlelstv> it's used for the stereo analog audio signal.
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[10:39] <Ad0> what's the best service for doing a total custom board designed based off RPI3+ ? :)
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[10:48] <immibis> you want a custom board with the specific processor used in the raspberry pi?
[10:49] <immibis> i don't think that's possible as the processor is only available to the raspberry pi factories. you can use the compute module
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[10:50] <mlelstv> you could make broadcom an offer they can't refuse
[10:50] <Ad0> hm
[10:50] <immibis> hey broadcom do you want 500 billion dollars
[10:50] <Ad0> I thought raspberry pi was open source so you could mix and match perpherials on the base board
[10:50] <Ad0> for instance, if I want to go nuts and have 3 ethernet controllers
[10:51] <immibis> no it is not
[10:51] <Ad0> integrate more stuff on it
[10:51] <Ad0> is gepetto just the compute module ?
[10:51] <oq> raspberry pis don't have open source hardware
[10:52] <Ad0> right
[10:56] <Ad0> I have misunderstood then thanks. I guess someone told me and I just trusted that statement :)
[10:56] <Ad0> so I guess the way to extend the PI3+ is to make a custom compute module
[10:59] <oq> or via a hat
[11:02] <Ad0> if you were to have more ethernet I dunno if the GPIO would have enough bandwidth
[11:03] <Ad0> or SPI or whatever
[11:06] <Habbie> or the USB
[11:06] <Habbie> the answer to all of that is 'not really, no'
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> the best you get is the compute module.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> you can design (and many have) your own board round that.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> as for 3 ethernet controllers - sure, however note that the SoC doesn't have ethernet itself but uses USB, so all 3 Ethernets would share the single USB interface.
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[11:58] <Arlenx> hi, i'm trying to execute this tiny bluepy script: https://pastebin.com/Q74Bki5F but it say: Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:58] <Arlenx> File "./bleconnect.py", line 3, in <module>
[11:58] <Arlenx> from bluepy import btle
[11:58] <Arlenx> ImportError: No module named 'bluepy'
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[12:01] <Arlenx> i also installed all libraries: sudo apt-get install python-pip and sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev and sudo pip install bluepy as the instructions say in this link: https://www.elinux.org/RPi_Bluetooth_LE
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[12:10] <EdwardIII> so i've got the offical 7" screen, raspbian, chrome in kiosk mode showing my reports from datastudio on my desk. looks pretty nice!
[12:10] <VladTheImplier> Hey all :] I'm fighting a very bizzare problem. I use the PiZero as a USB gpioExpander. Due to a firmwarebug RPi I have to use a PCI to USB controller. If I loop GPIO commands (reads/set hi/set lo), after a couple of seconds the whole system hardlocks. Not even a kernel crash, full on death. A bash loop of (pigs r 23) is enough. Doesnt happen with internal USB. Can anyone help? (Made a github issue with details... github.
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[12:11] <VladTheImplier> *[...]Due to a firmwarebug RPI's have I [...]
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[12:28] <immibis> do rpi's even have a PCI bus?
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[12:31] <pksato> immibis: no.
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[12:34] <VladTheImplier> immibis: No, the PiZero has the ability to do be used as a gpioexpander when connected via USB, it's even built into Raspbian. (https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/pi-zero-gpio-expander/) The issue arrises if PCI comes into play.
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[12:53] <Ad0> thanks Habbie and gordonDrogon
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> Ad0, what is it that you're thinking of doing?
[12:54] <Ad0> just thinking about if you need extra perpherials and want to make like 1000 of them
[12:54] <Ad0> it's not cost effective to buy external USB ethernet adapters etc
[12:55] <Ad0> if you want 2 or 3 ethernet ports I was hoping some manufacturer could make a custom board based on PI so images etc would still work
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> you could take a Pi3 and put it on a board with the usb ethernet chips..
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> but it's not a good router/switch then and I'm sure there are better platforms.
[12:56] <Ad0> hm
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[12:57] <ShorTie> orange pi has a board with 2 nic's
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> are they native or usb though?
[12:58] <Ad0> orange pi is also another chipset
[12:58] <Ad0> or SoC that is
[13:00] <Ad0> https://customrpi.com/
[13:00] <Ad0> you have these sites
[13:00] <ShorTie> not sure right off hand how they are connected
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[13:00] <Ad0> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76955
[13:01] <Ad0> "re-configure board layout"
[13:01] <Ad0> I Know the cpu and gpu etc is not open source hardware, but I think the arrangement is
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> that scustompi site is intersting, but no pictures of any finished design.
[13:03] <Ad0> there are several places that do this
[13:03] <Ad0> I just need to find the right one
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> wonder how they do it.
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[13:04] <Ad0> wonder if they get every single component or if they just re-solder
[13:04] <Ad0> if the latter it can't be cheap
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> farnell might be able to as they already make Pi boards for the foundation.
[13:05] <ShorTie> interesting page, but sounds like you gotta order 5000
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> however you're still stuck with the same basic IO - ie. USB. There is no USB3 for example (of it there is, it will be strictly in usb2 emulation mode)
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[13:06] <EdwardIII> does anyone know if this is possible with raspbian & chromium? i want it to auto-refresh a tab after, say, 5 mins, but only after 5 minutes of no touch activity. i'm guessing the way to go may just be to make a custom monkeywrench script for chromium?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> EdwardIII, why not a trival refresh= tag in the html?
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5">
[13:08] <Ad0> that's fine
[13:08] <Ad0> dont need USB if I get what I want integrated ;)
[13:08] <EdwardIII> gordonDrogon: that would still refresh regardless of whether there was touch activity or not, wouldn't it?
[13:08] <Ad0> but 5000 units, sheesh
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> unless you redesign the SoC you can't get anything integrated that you don't currently have. So no Ethernet for example, other than USB.
[13:09] <EdwardIII> i want to avoid a scenario where someone is in the middle of trying to interact with it then it refreshes partway
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> EdwardIII, I've really no idea, but yes, it might well auto-refresh at the point someone touches the screen
[13:10] <EdwardIII> that's why i'm trying to find a solution that's a bit more touch-aware
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[13:18] <EdwardIII> or i could not refresh, hook up a big fat red button to a gpio pin then use that as the refresh instead heh
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[13:23] <Ad0> how do the ethernet ports on a compute board work?
[13:23] <Ad0> do they appear as USB?
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[13:27] <BurtyB> Ad0 there is no ethernet it has usb
[13:28] <Ad0> yeah doesn't really matter
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[13:28] <Ad0> not running a datacenter off it anyway
[13:29] <Ad0> :D
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[13:33] <Curi0> Is it safe to run a RPi using CH341a which is plugged into my laptop's USB port ?
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[13:34] <Habbie> Curi0, 'maybe'
[13:35] <Curi0> do laptop's normally have a fuse if theres a short ?
[13:35] <Habbie> 'maybe'
[13:35] <Habbie> i know mine does because i tried this and failed
[13:35] <Habbie> it smelled
[13:35] <Habbie> but the laptop still works
[13:36] <Curi0> the port does still ?
[13:36] <Habbie> also, yes
[13:38] <Curi0> do the usb uart chips use enough power that the pi might be effected ?
[13:38] <Habbie> oh wait
[13:38] <Habbie> you are not powering the pi from your laptop usb?
[13:38] <Curi0> i am
[13:39] <Curi0> the ch341a has a 5v pin
[13:39] <Curi0> ch341a is plugged into a usb port
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[15:10] <DanielTheFox> heyo guys, my own i-had-too-much-spare-time trashy RPi 2B/3B/3B+ case: http://www.danielthefox.com/mp4/rpi_trashcase.mp4
[15:11] <DanielTheFox> horrible, it has issues, but it somewhat works :)
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[15:12] <gordonDrogon> cardboard?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> there were a few early cardboard cut-out and fold designs, but not seen for a while.
[15:13] <DanielTheFox> the thing is
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[15:13] <DanielTheFox> I made it up, I took the ruler myself
[15:14] <DanielTheFox> and it's horrible since I tolerated too much failure (I didn't expect 2 mm to have such horrible effects)
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[15:17] <DanielTheFox> as you can see, it's also regular cereal cardboard :>
[15:20] <hodapp> back in my day, we used PIZZA BOXES, and we put SUN systems in them!
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[15:23] <DanielTheFox> does somebody like it?
[15:23] <DanielTheFox> at least it looks cute
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[15:23] <gordonDrogon> DanielTheFox, actually, I only watched the first 30 seconds - shaky video does my head in, so I stopped watching it.
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> yeah, light was a premium
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> 23:15 or so?
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> but yes, 2mm can make a big difference - I have a black belt in origami ...
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> and I recorded using one hand, the other was handling the Pi
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> insert tab A into slot B ..
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[15:25] <EdwardIII> i tried to make an arduino case out of cardboard from brown corrugated boxes, and gave up. i'm so undexterous
[15:25] <DanielTheFox> at the end of the video, you can see how can I pull the Pi off
[15:26] <DanielTheFox> it's a tray-like arrangment
[15:26] <DanielTheFox> it's super cute
[15:26] <DanielTheFox> my skills with the scissors were always subpar
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[15:28] <DanielTheFox> EdwardIII: corrugated boxes are horrible for this
[15:28] <DanielTheFox> very fat, hard to maneuver with
[15:29] <DanielTheFox> and won't give up easily against regular school scissors
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> amazon book shipping boxes with thin corrugated cardboard might be better
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> but do invest in a cutting mat and a good craft knife or 2. well worth it for this sort of thing.
[15:30] <DanielTheFox> thin cerealbox cardboard is perfect for many things
[15:30] <DanielTheFox> since it's very thin, it can be cutted easily :)
[15:31] <DanielTheFox> and if you bend it properly, it can take some sort of shape
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> I don't buy cereals though.
[15:32] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> but do get amazon deliveries :)
[15:33] <DanielTheFox> having younger brother and sister, you always have spare cereal cardboard
[15:33] <DanielTheFox> and people around here would simply burn it
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> my young (6,10yo) nieces don't eat cereals either, however .. no recycling facilities?
[15:34] <DanielTheFox> nope
[15:34] <DanielTheFox> not in two hundred miles or so
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> oh well, keep it for cold days then ..
[15:34] <DanielTheFox> nearby cities have regular incineration or landfill
[15:35] <DanielTheFox> nearly zero recycling
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> wow. I think our local council is at about 65% recycling.
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[15:38] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: still living on the estate? :D
[15:39] <DanielTheFox> quite
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[15:42] <EdwardIII> don't suppose anyone here goes to maker workshops in the midlands?
[15:43] <DanielTheFox> nah
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[15:44] <DanielTheFox> if you live here, you're already lucky that computers and tech aren't taken as things coming from the devil
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> the midlands of which country?
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> (although I would naturally assume engurland, however)
[15:45] <DanielTheFox> MX
[15:45] <DanielTheFox> or, among other nicknames
[15:45] <EdwardIII> england of course
[15:46] <DanielTheFox> tacoland, the land trump hates, the natural continental bridge betwen Honduras and Trumpland, cant-decide-if-north-or-central-america
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> well, in our global internet world, there is no "of-course" and we do not know which country you're connecting in from.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> DanielTheFox, keep it family friendly, old chap :)
[15:47] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[15:47] <DanielTheFox> or, as I said before
[15:47] <DanielTheFox> MX
[15:47] <EdwardIII> ah sorry i misread, i thought DanielTheFox was talking about councils so assumed he was from the UK, but it was actually you gordonDrogon
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[15:47] <EdwardIII> i do get a very strong UK feel from #raspberrypi though
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> it's a UK company, so ..
[15:47] <DanielTheFox> I get equally strong US/UK forces from this channel
[15:47] <DanielTheFox> and personally I prefer the UK ones
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> it depends on the time of day you connect in.
[15:48] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: i've got tons of family in mexico city
[15:48] <EdwardIII> my mum is from there (sort of)
[15:48] <DanielTheFox> cool
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> EdwardIII, I'm in Devon - and a couple of libraries have fablabs, but there isn't a proper make/hack space here.
[15:49] <EdwardIII> i used to live in rural wales, i feel your pain :)
[15:49] <EdwardIII> moving to the midlands was like moving into the future
[15:49] <EdwardIII> cable internet, central heating and everything
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I came here 17 years ago - it was a 3rd world county. I brought broadband here.
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[15:51] <DanielTheFox> this town here has not even paved streets
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[15:52] <DanielTheFox> internet comes through terrestrial antennas, satellite would be expensive and latency would be fairly high anyway
[15:52] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: is there much of a maker scene where you are? pi, arduino, 3d priting stuff?
[15:52] * gordonDrogon notes that on your side of the pond you walk on the side-walk and drive on the pavement and this side of the pond, we drive on the road and walk on the pavement ...
[15:52] <EdwardIII> we tried satellite internet, it was disgustingly bad and so expensive
[15:52] <DanielTheFox> EdwardIII: zero
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[15:52] <DanielTheFox> everything interesting in this country is in Mexico City
[15:52] <DanielTheFox> otherwise, it's low-grade junk :)
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> including crime if the popular press is to be believed...
[15:53] <EdwardIII> i went to see my family about 6-7 years ago, everyone said i was going to get shot to pieces
[15:53] <DanielTheFox> crime appears to be a thing in the majority of the country, to be fair
[15:53] <EdwardIII> it felt no more dangerous than being down on the tube station at midnight tbh
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. equal opportunities crime then.
[15:54] <DanielTheFox> Trump might have exaggerated it, but the main idea is true: lots of places aren't even safe to live in
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> I like living in ruralistan.
[15:54] <EdwardIII> i grew up there and couldn't stand it, had to get out
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[15:55] <gordonDrogon> I did city life for a while, didn't like it that much.
[15:55] <EdwardIII> well i'm about 30 mins out of birmingham so it's sort of best of both
[15:55] <EdwardIII> although of course everyone that grew up here hates it
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[15:55] <DanielTheFox> how to be safe in Mexico? Easy: stay away from the largest cities, don't live in states with high crime rates (this can be done with a lookup table), if you're rich, hide the money or hints of being rich, you're safe now
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> and I'm 30 min. from exeter or plymouth ..
[15:56] <EdwardIII> yessss i imagine the distance feels more significant down there though
[15:56] <EdwardIII> but could be wrong
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> it's the 2nd (maybe 3d) largest county, but the population density is zero.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> the population of the whole of devon is just under (last time I looked) than urban Bristol.
[15:57] <DanielTheFox> I should move to Canada :)
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> do it - freeze in the winter, get bitten by midges in the summer.
[15:58] <EdwardIII> my brother lives in montreal, it's my favourite place in the world (except for the language thing, had enough of that in wales)
[15:58] <DanielTheFox> note that moving a person from A to B is fairly expensive
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[15:58] <DanielTheFox> significantly more expensive than moving non-living things from A to B
[15:58] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: if you've got solid tech skills that could be a good pathway though
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, the whole welsh language thing is a waste of money, unless you're a native speaker that is.
[15:59] <DanielTheFox> not that solid, but definitely "more than the regular bystander"
[15:59] <EdwardIII> gordonDrogon: my experience was that it was a tool of nationalism rather than culture
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, I had a lovely welsh girlfriend some 25+ years back and it wasn't much an issue then as it seems to be now.
[16:00] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: one of the companies i do a lot of work with in germany recruit internationally. they send a 2-3 week project to do (paid), then, if the results are good, extend a job offer and try to help sort out visas etc
[16:00] <DanielTheFox> nice
[16:00] <DanielTheFox> what do they work on?
[16:00] <EdwardIII> end up recruiting people from russia, spain etc
[16:00] <EdwardIII> .NET web applications
[16:00] * gordonDrogon cringes.
[16:00] <DanielTheFox> hmm, I can learn that
[16:00] <EdwardIII> well they use .NET core if that's any consolation
[16:00] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: cringe at .NET?
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> I guess someone has to do it :)
[16:01] <EdwardIII> gordonDrogon: what do you do? dev?
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> I make bread.
[16:01] <DanielTheFox> I cringe at many things nowadays
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> when I'm not making bread, I'm an independant weight-loss consultant. I call it a sustainable business.
[16:01] <Habbie> fatten them up, slim them down, repeat ;)
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> and when not doing that, I do small-scal embedded computing project work.
[16:01] <DanielTheFox> become rich each successful loop
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I have in the past run an ISP, VoIP telco, supercomputing, and lots of other "stuff".
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> but speaking of bread, it's bakery time - sourdough to make up for this evening. back later.
[16:03] <EdwardIII> all the best
[16:03] <DanielTheFox> does tech support actually knows the tech they have?
[16:03] <DanielTheFox> our tech support acts like they don't even know how things work
[16:04] <EdwardIII> depends on the tech support heh
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[16:08] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: so what are you doing with rpi in MX then?
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> mostly using it as a personal computer
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[16:08] <DanielTheFox> but I do some stuff sometimes
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> for example, now I made it into a portable WiFi AP, with files and that stuff
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[16:09] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend might know a little bit, I told him and even gave him my scripts
[16:09] <DanielTheFox> also, now it plays music all nite
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[16:11] <DanielTheFox> if two specific pins are shorted while the computer is booting up, a script is invoked, then that script sets the volume to a fair level and plays all songs in a specific directory
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[16:12] <DanielTheFox> other two jumpers do different things, my favorite sets it to AP mode and disables the USB hub and the video output
[16:12] <DanielTheFox> so the battery lasts longer
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[16:15] <EdwardIII> that's cool
[16:15] <EdwardIII> didn't occur to me that someone might use it as their actual day-to-day PC
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[16:16] <DanielTheFox> it happens when the other computers aren't that powerful
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> also, I like how it runs from 5V, so I can use a powerbank
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[16:17] <DanielTheFox> (I have no laptop with working battery anyway, this computer was designed to replace both cellphone and laptop, as I never used a cellphone for cellphone-specific things)
[16:18] <EdwardIII> so do you have a sim card integrated too?
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> nope
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> as I said, I never used a cellphone for cellphone-specific stuff
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> (and there's no phone signal here anyway)
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> pseudo-phone signal here is WiFi, must pay per hour (0.50 USD/hour, a little bit expensive), but their DNS can be hacked
[16:20] <DanielTheFox> IP tunnel over DNS works
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[16:21] <EdwardIII> 50c/hr, that really really sucks
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> yes
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> it's easier to buy monthly
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> more or less 20 USD/month
[16:22] <pwillard> haha... net config typo... shot myself in the foot... "Temporary failure resolving 'raspbian.raspberrypi.org'"
[16:22] <DanielTheFox> lol
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[16:23] <pwillard> Its like locking the house with the keys inside. DOH!
[16:23] <DanielTheFox> happened to me once
[16:23] <DanielTheFox> never messing with net more than necessary anymore
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[16:38] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: Hey. :] You linked a library yesturday, which allows for any linux machines to talk to GPIOs.
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[16:40] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: In my infinite wisdom I forgot to save it, since I'm in a web based... Could you re-link it?
[16:40] * stiv guesses wiringpi in its many incarnations (C, bash, python, etc)
[16:41] <VladTheImplier> stiv: Yeah, but a specific library which had to be compiled for C communication based on a pure network interface, which I wanna try to solve this honk of a soul sucking bug: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2851
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> VladTheImplier, it will require work on your part. wiringPi is NOT a newbie learning too. Doubly-so if you want to use the networking stuff.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> however jsut get the sources from the usual place, you know; http://wiringpi.com
[16:42] <DanielTheFox> you can burn your Pi if you do things wrong
[16:42] <DanielTheFox> and you're not the usual bystander that treats his Pi as "easily replaceable"
[16:43] <stiv> no guts, no glory!
[16:43] <DanielTheFox> (having the chance of destroy it when possible)
[16:43] <DanielTheFox> *destroying
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to destroy a Pi.
[16:44] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: no worries, I'm up for it. Nothing like a bit of danger to keep the wits sharp. stiv: reminds me of this: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/856/438/e1c.jpg
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[16:46] <stiv> you are running raspbian on an actual computer?
[16:46] <DanielTheFox> isn't the Pi an actual computer?
[16:47] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: I recall you linking a specific repo. Does https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=summary contain the networking part? stiv: DanielTheFox: I use RaspbianDesktop to connect to a gpioexpander. And am trying to solve this bug: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2851
[16:47] <stiv> turing complete, blah blah blah. but not a desktop machine with pci slots
[16:47] <DanielTheFox> it has a CPU, RAM and enough I/O peripherals to make it usable by a person
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> VladTheImplier, yes. just cd /tmp ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
[16:48] <stiv> i love the pi, but recognize it's limitations
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> then you need to build and install that wiringPi - cd wiringPi ; ./build
[16:48] <DanielTheFox> (and under that, yes, I consider an Apple II, a ZX Spectrum and a Commodore 64 as computers)
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> then build and install wiringPiD - cd wiringPiD ; make ; make install
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> then run wiringPiD ..
[16:49] <VladTheImplier> gordonDragon: arright, thanks!
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> then you need to compile the whole of wiringPi on your Linux PC and then you can write a C program on that PC, link it with wiringPi then call the network setup module then you can digitalWrite() on the Pi from your Linux desktiop.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> you will need to work out how to run wiringPiD on your Pi - but simply: wiringpid -g secretPassword will work.
[16:50] <EdwardIII> DanielTheFox: was the zx spectrum available much in mexico?
[16:50] <DanielTheFox> EdwardIII: not really, it was not even there in USA
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to use the same secretPassword in the other PC talking over the network - the data is not encrypted but the password is hashed and salted.
[16:50] <DanielTheFox> the main thing here was (for long time) the Atari 2600
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[16:50] <DanielTheFox> low cost, color graphics, it was everywhere
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> wiringpid will not allow a connection without a password.
[16:51] <DanielTheFox> even when the C64 was the thing in USA, the Atari 2600 remained here for a lot of time
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> remained in the UK for a while too, but the Vic20 was popular.
[16:51] <DanielTheFox> ...until the NES became cheap
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, mid 80/'s computer gave way to consoles.
[16:52] <EdwardIII> i really feel the price of the zx spectrum is why there's a decent hacker/maker culture in the UK
[16:52] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: "you will need to work out how to run wiringPiD on your Pi" Ahhhhhhhhhhh snap. I thought it didn't need a server and hooked into something raspbian native. That sucks. So instead of booting it into USB expander mode, I have to USBBoot a proper raspbian ;_:
[16:52] <DanielTheFox> to this day, personal computers haven't been that popular as those US documentary programs say :>
[16:52] <DanielTheFox> have been always expensive
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> VladTheImplier, I'm sure I said that a day or 2 back. You need Linux running on the Pi.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> the only way round the issue you're seeing is to re-flash the GPU bootrom which, AIUI, is not possible without a whole new release of the Pi.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> VladTheImplier, can could SD card boot a native raspbian. no need to usb boot.
[16:55] <EdwardIII> from what i've read that was kind of the philosophy behind rpi: kids today are having all this super-polished and expensive stuff or nothing at all, they never knew the fear of joy of starting a machine up and just staring at a blank prompt
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> personally I think it's a step back - it now takes a minute or 2 to boot the device, login, open the fancy gui/ide to start to program. Once upon a time, it was power on, 10 PRINT "Hello, World" : GOTO 10
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> and you could do that in the local computer shop on all their computers and walk out in under 30 seconds ... Not that I did, of-course, however...
[16:57] <VladTheImplier> I guess there is linux already, since the gpioexpander does just boot a stripped down raspbian. I just wanted a bunch of GPIOs to sync the stuff in my appliance. Now it went from simple PIzero plug and play to SD booting a whole system.
[16:57] <VladTheImplier> Is there maybe a PCI card with GPIO like features?
[16:57] <VladTheImplier> I know from coligues that have a pcie card with 100 connections, but that was a custom made 300+€ thing.
[16:58] <EdwardIII> gordonDrogon: well it's horses for courses. i would never have a chance in hell of getting my mum to check her email from linux cli
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> there was a USB board by RyanTeck that allowed just that.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> I also did a serial interface to arduino's from Linux systems too.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> (wiringPi also supports it, but again, you need a Pi running Linux)
[17:00] <stiv> serial interface to an arduino sounds useful & fun
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> now, I think there is a serial protocol that newer arduino boot roms support out of the box.
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> I don't recall it's name though.
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[17:01] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: Hmm. You mean this thing? https://www.modmypi.com/image/catalog/tutorials/ryanteck/debug-clip/debugclip-solder-14.jpg
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> it essentially allows remote digitalWrite(), etc. ovet the serial line. it's a bit heavier weight than mine though.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> VladTheImplier, I get 403 on that link.
[17:03] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: w-a-t. Internet is weird. Here reuploaded: https://i.imgur.com/3yWYA4J.jpg
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[17:04] <VladTheImplier> Do I understand this device correctly?: You connect via USB and can toggle Pins Hi/Lo? And read Hi or Lo?
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> that's not what I was thinking off. his board has a little STM ARM micro on it and a Pi look-a-like 40-pin connector.
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[17:04] <VladTheImplier> ohh ok, Ill look a bit further.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> I do not know what that device is.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> however if you can program serial on a Linux PC then getting an Arduino to interpret commands via serial is utterly trivial.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/drogon-remote-control/drc-downloads/
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[17:06] <VladTheImplier> Ahh, breaks my heart man. All works well, until I start asking my array of PIR sensors for info too fast. Maybe..... maybe... I can trigger a time delayed relay to boot the GPIO expander delayed.
[17:06] <VladTheImplier> That would circumvent the firmware bug and allow me to use an internal port
[17:07] <VladTheImplier> gordonDrogon: many many thanks for you input!
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> I'd just run Linux on a Pi and be done with it.
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> or get an arduino to read PIR sensors - each is as easy as the other and serial is easy
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[18:10] <r3> hey there gordonDrogon, how's it going? Just wanted to say Hello.
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[18:27] <Fulgen> what can cause a Raspberry Pi 3B to complain about undervolting? I've got a 5V 2.5A power supply which at least states it's compatible with the Pi 3 and never had issues with it; however, if I plug the touch cable for the HDMI touchscreen into the USB port, it often appears, but aren't the ports limited on current (I have nothing else connected on the USB ports) (and why should it drain that much
[18:27] <Fulgen> current)?
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[18:32] <DanielTheFox> Fulgen: the cable that goes from your PSU to your RPi might be causing problems
[18:32] <DanielTheFox> in my experience, cables are more troublesome than the phone chargers themselves
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> r3, Hi. doing ok, thanks.
[18:33] <r3> cheers :)
[18:33] <DanielTheFox> (also, not related to RPi, but I think I heard someone here used AWS)
[18:33] <Fulgen> DanielTheFox: ah, thanks!
[18:34] <DanielTheFox> Fulgen: or, on the other hand, which has happened to me once
[18:34] <DanielTheFox> if you accidentally touch or move/wiggle the microUSB connector/cable on the RPi side
[18:34] <DanielTheFox> it may complain about low voltage
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[18:40] <Fulgen> ok
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[18:40] <stiv> is this a phone charger or an actual power supply?
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[18:43] <Fulgen> power supply
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[18:43] <Fulgen> (think so)
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[18:45] <Fulgen> https://www.conrad.at/de/voltcraft-sp-5c-steckernetzteil-festspannung-5-vdc-2500-ma-125-w-raspberry-pi-3-geeignet-raspberry-pi-geeignet-1462834.html it's that one (warning, german page)
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[19:10] <davr0s> anyone got the raspberry pi TV tuner, can it receive and decode more than one channel simultaneosly (does the decoding happen on the tuner board or what)
[19:12] <Khaytsus> Look up the board info.. it probably says. pi has limited hardware decoding capabilities. It does a few things very well, but the rest would be in software and pretty slow
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[19:15] <Khaytsus> DVB-T2 TV would likely be h.264 which the Pi can do in hw with codecs
[19:15] <Khaytsus> Does one still need to buy those codecs? I haven't looked
[19:16] <mlelstv> DVB-T2 is usually h.265 :-/
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[19:18] <mlelstv> depends on country
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[21:15] <MikeRL> Anyone know how to setup zram? I've tried Google and Youtube and failed at it.
[21:17] <Tenkawa> i just got finished doing it
[21:17] <Tenkawa> what part you having trouble with
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[21:17] <MikeRL> The whole config file.
[21:18] <Tenkawa> hmm which config file?
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[21:19] <MikeRL> Well first what package do I need? It appears to be different on Ubuntu MATE and Raspbian...
[21:21] <Tenkawa> just a sec.. fixing something broke over here
[21:22] <Tenkawa> there we go
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[21:23] <DanielTheFox> smoke test!
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[21:23] <Tenkawa> first is the zram module even in the rpi kernel by default
[21:24] <Tenkawa> (raspbian)
[21:25] <Tenkawa> DanielTheFox: nah it was just a I had a copy set to read only when i actually wanted to write over
[21:25] <Tenkawa> nothing so bad
[21:25] <MikeRL> I have to go now. I know it's sudden. Will return in maybe an hour. Something came up.
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[21:26] <Tenkawa> ok
[21:26] <Tenkawa> i should be around
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[21:44] <Tenkawa> yeah my pi is running zswap fine
[21:44] <Tenkawa> zswap: loaded using pool lzo/zbud
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[22:40] <Phonestar> evening
[22:43] <DanielTheFox> evening
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[22:46] <r3> afternoon
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[23:10] <friendofafriend> mid-late afternoon
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[23:10] <Tenkawa> time of the day
[23:11] <Tenkawa> some point in time
[23:11] <DanielTheFox> hello friendofafriend
[23:11] <DanielTheFox> did you see my cardboard case for RPi?
[23:11] <stiv> it is always now somewhere
[23:12] <Tenkawa> and always then
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[23:27] <swift110> hey all
[23:28] <DanielTheFox> shifty swift
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