#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-02-09

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[2:28] <MikeRL> Back after a long time away.
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[2:29] <MikeRL> Does anyone know how to setup zram and configure it? Like how to check if it's enabled as well?
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[2:31] <MikeRL> I see a script that may make it work, but I'd rather learn it as I plan on using it on Ubuntu mate as well.
[2:35] <CoJaBo> MikeRL: IIRC, it's roughly: Load the module, create a zram device, format it as swap, and swapon
[2:35] <Khaytsus> https://google.com/search?q=zram
[2:36] <MikeRL> Don't I need to enable the kernel module?
[2:36] <CoJaBo> MikeRL: That's what I mean by load the module
[2:36] <CoJaBo> It'll be a modprobe command
[2:38] <MikeRL> Tried sudo modprobe zram and got blank output.
[2:38] * Khaytsus points to http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/
[2:39] <CoJaBo> MikeRL: Most commands on linux output nothing on success
[2:39] <MikeRL> Did't know that. So I guess zram is loaded as a kernel module. That's good.
[2:40] <CoJaBo> MikeRL: Might help to look for a primer on Linux in general too :P
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[2:40] <MikeRL> Yeah it would. There's a lot to learn.
[2:40] <Khaytsus> CoJaBo: He's a vampire
[2:40] <Khaytsus> There's really no helping him
[2:40] <MikeRL> Couldn't hurt me. I plan on eventually going back to school.
[2:42] <stiv> commands do return an exit status, tho. you can see it via "echo $?"
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[2:45] <cluelessperson> my raspberry pi has an odd ip address
[2:45] <cluelessperson> 169.254.57.206 /16
[2:45] <cluelessperson> why
[2:50] <MikeRL> Agh. Accidentally typed in the wrong size for the zram.
[2:50] <MikeRL> I'll Google and see what I can find.
[2:51] <CoJaBo> cluelessperson: Isn't that that cant-get-an-ip-automatically-assigned-ip range?
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[2:54] <cluelessperson> CoJaBo: maybe
[2:54] <cluelessperson> how do I troubleshoot?
[2:54] <CoJaBo> Make sure the DHCP server is working?
[2:55] <cluelessperson> it is
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[2:56] <cluelessperson> Feb 8 17:55:57 USG kernel: IPv4: martian source 192.168.5.66 from 169.254.57.206, on dev eth1.4
[2:56] <cluelessperson> hrm
[2:57] <cluelessperson> it just stopped working one day, not sure why
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[3:00] <cluelessperson> So how do I troubleshoot this
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[3:03] <cluelessperson> rpi not resolving dhcp
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[3:06] <cluelessperson> well, I think I found why it was happening
[3:06] <cluelessperson> improper dhcp guarding
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[5:03] <lkthomas> folks, I am curious, other than RPi, which other single board computer is well supported ?
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[5:06] <hodapp> welllll... BeagleBone maybe? there are numerous other little boards but the Pi far exceeds pretty much all of them in terms of support
[5:07] <hodapp> NVidia has things like the Jetson TX1 that they support, but those are pricier (and mostly for if you happen to need a bigger GPU)
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[5:12] <lkthomas> I actually need Gigabit ethernet
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[5:13] <CoJaBo> lkthomas: 3b+ has sorta gadabout
[5:13] <CoJaBo> gigabit
[5:13] <CoJaBo> It's limited to USB2 speeds, but still faster than 100M
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[5:17] <lkthomas> I think I have previous generation of Pi
[5:18] <hodapp> ARM boards with decent GigE are sorta rare
[5:18] <hodapp> I think Jetson TX1 has it though
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[5:32] <password2> when are rpi getting usb3
[5:32] <password2> :D
[5:33] <CoJaBo> Hopefully pi4 will have it
[5:34] <CoJaBo> And h.265 =D
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[5:37] <password2> does it not already have h.265?
[5:41] <password2> what does it have now?
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[5:49] <rud0lf> /nick hunter2
[5:52] <password2> /response - old
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[5:57] <lkthomas> pi4? maybe we need to wait another 10 years
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[6:01] <rud0lf> it's gonna have geforce 1080 builtin
[6:01] <rud0lf> for mild experience
[6:04] <CoJaBo> password2: AFAIK, even the pi3b+ has only h.264
[6:06] <password2> whats the diff?
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[6:12] <password2> aparently its a lot more resource intensive
[6:14] <password2> meh , i need to be going
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[6:38] <Galactor> Hey quick question. Anyone here use the Arcade Punks' "All Killer no Filler" 128gb arcade pack? Does it handle the N64 games well?
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[6:49] <pagetelegram> Hi ---- So my 2006 Xeon based Dell Precision 490 finally died (Processor issue) and have only a 2nd generation Pi to work with. I have Raspbian Stretch and looking to set it up for entertainment. Right now wondering if any youtube clients are actually working. Any recommendations?
[6:50] <pagetelegram> So far I've installed Pithos. I also want to get printing working. I installed CUPS however I do not know what else to install so I'd get the add printers option.
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[12:22] <plasmoduck> macOS System 7 on RPI
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[14:57] <zautomata> what is the best Signage software for rpi3?
[14:58] <zautomata> as in "most comprehnsive in terms of features" ?
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[15:06] <Snert> Can I just apt-get delete dhcpcd to get rid of that stupid thing?
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[15:08] <Snert> Maybe I'm better off disabling it somehow - keep it around just in case? How would I just disable it?
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[15:30] <BurtyB> Snert, you can add "denyinterface eth* wlan*" etc to the config to leave those alone.
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[16:00] <Snert> thx.
[16:00] <Snert> usually I just set the immutable bit on a config file.
[16:01] <Khaytsus> ANYTHING that includes immutable bits is a hack.
[16:01] <Snert> is that a bad approach?
[16:01] <Snert> I use it as a quick indicator of who owns the problem.
[16:01] <Khaytsus> How does that indicate anything?
[16:02] <Khaytsus> And it's rarely a problem..... it's a user wanting to do something out of the design, or hasn't configured it to do their desired thing.
[16:02] <Snert> if the config file stops changing and the problem goes away I know someone is changing it.
[16:02] <Snert> someone being a daemon
[16:02] <Khaytsus> Most often it's nonsense like "but I dont' want my resolv.conf updating from dhcp" Which is, frankly, dumb
[16:03] <Snert> agreed. I got good dhcp with reservations and everything is great without that thing.
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[16:07] <Snert> I hand out different dns servers to different groups of clients according to do they want pihole goodness, or not.
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[16:08] <Snert> wife devices get straight dns.
[16:08] <Snert> my devices get pihole.
[16:09] <Khaytsus> So you have to figure out the _sane_ way to use your own dns servers, not set immutable ids.
[16:09] <Khaytsus> erm bits
[16:10] <Khaytsus> Or do silly hacks, which is the simply easy way and then later is going to cause you issues when somethign flips out because it can't update a file.
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[16:11] <Snert> that different dns thing works fine, not talking about that.
[16:11] <Snert> that's all done the right way.
[16:12] <Snert> on both the hardwire and the wireless vlans.
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[16:14] <Khaytsus> cool.
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[16:15] <Snert> and my internal dns is authorative for my name too.
[16:15] <Snert> pihole looks to that.
[16:19] <Snert> looks to me like you need to edit just about exactly as much in the dhcpcd.conf file as in the network/interfaces file.
[16:19] <Snert> so whatz the gain.
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[16:19] <Khaytsus> I've never bothered, but I wonder... can you set dns per host entry in dhcpd.conf
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[16:20] <Snert> yep with a group of defined mac addys.
[16:20] <Snert> these get this...those get that.
[16:21] <Snert> completely different sets of info if ya want.
[16:21] <Khaytsus> Well, yes. But I mean per specific host
[16:22] <Snert> yes, the name of the host is tied to the group of individual mac addys.
[16:22] <Khaytsus> I wish I could use pihole here, but I can't... Of many things I do at work, one of them is the QA lead and I have to test our websites which include a bunch of tracking cookies and pixels and such.
[16:23] <Khaytsus> And pihole (by design) destroys them ;)
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[16:24] <Snert> you could easily make your own mobes use pihole
[16:25] <Snert> if you use dhcpd.
[16:25] <Khaytsus> And yeah I see the group in dhcpd.conf now.. Not something I gnerally need but could need
[16:25] <Khaytsus> My own what?
[16:25] <Snert> mobile device.
[16:25] <Khaytsus> Yes, everything else uses pihole
[16:25] <Khaytsus> Not my workstation
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[16:28] <Khaytsus> It did take me quite a bit of tinkering with pihole to make it stable though... it used to just randomly stop working. I'd have to restart some of its processes and it'd be fine again. Not sure what I did to fix it, but I turned off ALL logging in it, which is what I want anyway ultimately
[16:28] <Khaytsus> Not for privacy, but so it doesn't murder the sdcard
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[16:32] <Snert> speaking of that......
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[16:33] <Khaytsus> Me too; speaking of that I've been saying for WEEKS I'm going to go around and backup all of my pi sdcards.
[16:33] <Snert> I've been hammering the flash on this bbb doing dns logging for over 2 years now.
[16:33] <Snert> I think I'm crazy for doing this.
[16:33] <Khaytsus> I've murdered sdcards in weeks with things that log constantly
[16:34] <Khaytsus> Now all of mine log to tmpfs
[16:34] <Khaytsus> But that's a bit annoying, have to micromanage the space a bit
[16:34] <Khaytsus> so I had to write scripts to clean it out, or do it in logrotate...
[16:34] <Snert> well, how big...I only need 1 version and 1Mbyte size.
[16:35] <Snert> just be able to tail the incoming is all.
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[16:35] <Khaytsus> of tmpfs? I usually go pretty minimal.. 2m on most of 'em, I have another I want more history on, so I give it 4m
[16:35] <Snert> see why dns is messing up
[16:35] <Khaytsus> it's just kind of annoying when it fills up of course
[16:36] <Khaytsus> The cleanest solution, assuming you can go multiple days without filling up, is logrotate daily and only keep 1 file or such
[16:36] <Khaytsus> Otherwise, a cron job
[16:36] <Khaytsus> I have one that every 15m does a df.. stupid, but well.......works
[16:37] <Snert> I only need like a 8Mbit tempfs for bind logging. Maybe 16.
[16:38] <Snert> I don't need to keep logs at all...just give me something to tail.
[16:39] <Snert> and bind itself limits and rotates.
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[16:40] <Snert> so it would never fill up.
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[16:40] <Snert> it's just that I'm hammering the flash. and have been for 2 years.
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[16:52] <password8> m.2 woudl be neat
[16:52] <password8> in a pi
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[16:53] <sicelo> quick question - i know the older RPis did not have analog in. does any RPI have now?
[16:54] <stiv> pi is digital. if you want analog, arduino is nice, but lower level
[16:54] <stiv> you can always connect an ADC to the pi
[16:54] <dury> hi there channel :-)
[16:54] * d0rm0us3 wonders what the sampling rate is on the mic input
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[16:55] <sicelo> thanks stiv.
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[16:57] <dury> did anyone install this => https://janw.me/2019/installing-php7-3-rapsberry-pi/
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[17:00] <Khaytsus> dury: why would you? What's wrong with the php in raspbian?
[17:00] <Lartza> I just pacman -S php ;P
[17:01] <dury> if so... how can I tell apache this php release. by repos php default it's 7.0
[17:01] <Lartza> dury, And what's wrong with 7.0
[17:01] <stiv> my mom won't let me use php. she says it's unseemly
[17:03] <Khaytsus> it is
[17:03] <Khaytsus> 7.0.33
[17:03] <dury> well... it's obsolete when I try to install joomla last stable version. give me an error
[17:04] * Khaytsus shrugs
[17:04] <Khaytsus> Install a vesrin that supports 7.0?
[17:04] <Lartza> It doesn't really affect joomla but
[17:04] <Khaytsus> Or do whatever you want heh
[17:04] <Lartza> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Apache_HTTP_Server#Using_php-fpm_and_mod_proxy_fcgi
[17:04] <Lartza> Wait hang on
[17:05] <Lartza> Why is the article telling you to mix buster repos to your stretch system...
[17:05] <Lartza> Don't do that
[17:05] <Lartza> Just install 7.3 in a sensible way
[17:07] <Khaytsus> Most internet guides are one-sided boneheadd nonsense
[17:07] <Khaytsus> Like most quora, howtoforge, etc
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[17:07] <dury> Lartza, I already did that I mean did already https://janw.me/2019/installing-php7-3-rapsberry-pi/
[17:07] <Lartza> I mean it does change priorities for the repos but still
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[17:07] <dury> how to go backwards
[17:07] <Khaytsus> dury: So why are you asking here then? ;)
[17:08] <Khaytsus> So your actual question is "how do I clean up a mess I made" ?
[17:08] <Lartza> The guide just tells you how to update to 7.3 but doesn't install mod_php or how to use it ;)
[17:08] <password8> hah
[17:08] <dury> I guess so
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[17:10] <dury> would you guys please tell me what to do?
[17:10] <password8> start from scratch?
[17:11] <Lartza> I linked you how to use php-fpm
[17:12] <dury> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Apache_HTTP_Server#Using_php-fpm_and_mod_proxy_fcgi, this?
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[17:13] <Khaytsus> It's funny how arch and gentoo have the best wikis but so few people use them ;)
[17:13] <Khaytsus> (the distro, that is)
[17:13] * Khaytsus waits for 1 person to say BUT I USE ARCH!
[17:13] <Snert> BurtyB, thx I'll try that at least see if any side effects.
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[17:14] <dury> My purpose is to install, use joomla, & wordpress in my pi that's all
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[17:15] <Khaytsus> Good thing is with the pi being kind of low resource it'll take 2s to get hacked instead of .2
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[17:20] <pagetelegram> I'd like to hook up a serial modem ttyS0 for example, does the PI GPIO have pin outs for serial 9 pin adapter?
[17:21] <hodapp> 9-pin? are you talking about actual RS232?
[17:21] <hodapp> if it's RS232 you'll need an adapter as the voltage levels aren't compatible
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[17:23] <pagetelegram> Yes RS232, do the adapters exist...I'm runnig off a pi now and too slow to web browse (tho I'm just installing lynx atm)
[17:23] <hodapp> yes, just look up pretty much any USB to RS232 adapter
[17:23] <hodapp> I've used several of them
[17:24] <pagetelegram> Great idea thank you!
[17:24] <dury> Lartza?
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[17:42] <dury> Khaytsus, arer you there? busy?
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[17:45] <wonderer> hi all
[17:46] <wonderer> is it possible todo a dd/rsync image*backup of my rpi3 to a nas share?
[17:46] <wonderer> rather than halt -p
[17:47] <password8> dd is bad for backups
[17:47] <wonderer> and then take sd card clone it with etcher or Win32DiskImager
[17:47] <wonderer> ok password8
[17:48] <wonderer> was hoppying i could run a bash scrip from my nas or elsewhere todo the backup
[17:48] <Fulgen> Khaytsus: BUT I USE ARCH!
[17:49] <password8> rsync should do the jub?
[17:51] <r3> wonderer: I pop the sd card out of the Pi and into a reader I have on a Debian system. I then do GNU ddrescue to make an image on it (or the NAS) ... then I pop in a new SD card and put the image on it. Done.
[17:51] <r3> er, "make an image from it", that is
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[17:53] <r3> ~ $ aptitude search ddrescue (you want the one named gddrescue - GNU data recovery tool)
[17:53] <Khaytsus> dd is how I back up my cards so I don't have to worry about the partitions etc again later.. it is a waste of space though
[17:53] <Tenkawa> Khaytsus: rsync ftw
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[17:54] <r3> Khaytsus, aye, if I had hundreds of images I would be more concerned with space :) I should clean up some old stuff off the NAS anyways, it's over half full of its 27TB ;)
[17:54] <Khaytsus> Tenkawa: Still gotta fool with the partitions, but I guess that's not _that_ big a deal
[17:54] <Tenkawa> once you do it once its done
[17:55] <r3> I also use rsync for more critial systems to the NAS, it's nice once it is set up. Some voodoo sometimes involved, but once you have it done it works well
[17:55] <password8> dd will happily make broken images
[17:55] <Tenkawa> It as been super useful for me
[17:55] <Tenkawa> er has
[17:55] <Khaytsus> When I'm backing up pi's it's so if/when the sdcard dies I can get back where i was easily
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[17:56] <Khaytsus> I certainly use rsync for my other backups ;)
[17:56] <Tenkawa> and man the speed ...
[17:56] <r3> password8: I've had more luck with ddrescue and highly recommend it... I think there is a verify step? It has been some time since I fooled with it.
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[17:56] <Tenkawa> rsync + compression can be amazing
[17:56] * r3 nods
[17:56] <hodapp> ddrescue and dd_rescue also differ, be forewarned
[17:57] <hodapp> but one of them (I forget which) is great at handling dodgy disks, though I've mostly only used it on old failing magnetic disks
[17:57] <r3> aye, I hoped that I had pointed out that one wants the GNU ddrescue from that aptitude search there
[17:57] <Khaytsus> I used ddrescue once on a disk that was dying every 5 minutes
[17:57] <Khaytsus> I've also just done repeated resyncs too
[17:57] <hodapp> but it can do a quick first pass that just gets the data that can be read immediately, while noting down the blocks that are causing problems
[17:57] <Khaytsus> Just depends on the situation
[17:58] <Khaytsus> rsyncs, not resyncs
[17:58] <hodapp> and on subsequent passes it can try to fill in those blocks
[17:58] <r3> Khaytsus: me too, I just use it now by default :)
[17:58] <r3> and there is some additional verbiage with it that makes it less scary or prone to mistyping than dd
[17:59] <r3> if you've ever dd'ed the wrong direction, I feel your pain ;)
[17:59] <hodapp> I have, but the end result was simply that I tried to write to /dev/zero
[17:59] <r3> lol
[18:00] <hodapp> my most idiotic mis-type was probably the time circa 2002 that I was fiddling around trying to make a build work and I accidentally deleted libc instead of a symlink to it
[18:00] <hodapp> a lot of stuff broke.....
[18:00] <r3> eep!
[18:01] <hodapp> I think I ended up doing another Linux install to another hard disk (had no Intarwebz at the time on this machine), digging up the appropriate file, and copying it over
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[18:03] <r3> I have had to do full restores from tape where some "expert" (who demanded root access) did "rm -rf /*" or similar but probably meant "rm -rf ./*" or such. That was an unhappy day ... he (and the other "experts") had his access privileges changed after that on the surviving systems.
[18:03] <hodapp> are you an ex-BOFH?
[18:04] * r3 stops himself from "storytime"
[18:04] <r3> one is never an ex-BOFH ;)
[18:05] * Tenkawa has been a "nice guy" for 25 years
[18:05] <Tenkawa> systems and databases
[18:05] <Tenkawa> some would not always agree with the nice... most would though
[18:06] <Tenkawa> scariest part was actually being a code integrator
[18:06] <password8> r3 idk about ddrescue
[18:06] <hodapp> a coworker once insisted that we had to block Wikileaks on the entire corporate network for some vague legal reasons, so he put in a firewall rule, but he didn't understand netmasks and he did basically block on basically the whole /8 subnet instead of a /28 or something
[18:07] <Tenkawa> ouch
[18:07] <hodapp> remove one of those superfluous "basically"...
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[18:07] <Tenkawa> my first job was running an isp
[18:07] <hodapp> my uncle worked at an ISP and may or may not have given me the throwaway login that techs in the fields would use to test things
[18:07] <stiv> so he basically did it in Basic?
[18:07] <r3> I will say that my career stretches back so far as to have done tape drive rewind/eject races with IBM 3420 (I think) tapes. Basically if you jammed the front glass door open and bent a piece of the tape, once it rewound all the way it would pop off the spindle, drop to the floor, and take off at a crazy speed trailing magnetic tape behind it
[18:08] <hodapp> lol
[18:08] <Khaytsus> That doesn't seem conducive to getting reliable backups :P
[18:08] <r3> one only could do this when management wasn't looking, and with bad scratch tapes, but it was fun to show off
[18:09] <Tenkawa> is it a exi4 filesystem?
[18:09] <Tenkawa> er ext4
[18:09] <Khaytsus> I was a tape backup robot once, but they were cassettes, not spools.. most boring job of my life
[18:09] <Tenkawa> (standard setup)
[18:09] <Tenkawa> Khaytsus: yep i hear ya
[18:09] <Khaytsus> I don't recall if they were DAT or some other format... but they weren't spools
[18:10] <Tenkawa> dat... dds maybe
[18:10] <r3> the first hard drive I had at home was an external 10MB monster that was too big for my desk, so I put it on a TV tray next to my desk. The tray would wobble back and forth when the drive did a "full seek" and with some clever programming could be made to really wobble, nearly walking :) Ahh the good old days ;)
[18:10] <r3> Khaytsus: was it 8mm tape?
[18:10] * Tenkawa shudders
[18:10] <Khaytsus> Yeah, I imagine it wasn't DAT.. but in a cartridge. Looked pretty much like a DAT cartridge to me really.
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[18:11] <Khaytsus> Yeah it might have been DDS, googling that
[18:11] <Khaytsus> after googling that...
[18:11] <Tenkawa> yeah those were popular
[18:11] <r3> I did do work for some time with StorageTek and their large robotic tape libraries. I knew someone that lost a finger when the arm came swinging around and he had his hand inside the casement... eek
[18:12] <Khaytsus> I thought the robot replaced the humans :P
[18:12] <Tenkawa> its round 2
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[18:12] <schibes> Hard to imagine today but there was once a time when tape backups were state of the art bleeding edge type stuff... while I never handled them myself, I heard some pretty good horror stories about punch cards at an old job of mine long ago.
[18:12] <schibes> DO NOT FOLD SPINDLE OR MUTILATE
[18:12] <Khaytsus> I remember when the local university installed their first backup robot. They were so proud. Literally had tours.
[18:12] <r3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_library#/media/File:StorageTek_Powderhorn_tape_library.jpg
[18:13] <Khaytsus> schibes: And don't taunt happy fun ball
[18:13] <Tenkawa> yep
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[18:13] * Tenkawa remembers those days
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[18:14] <r3> schibes: what really is amazing is that tape was significantly less expensive than disk, so I worked with a system that would migrate files off of disk and onto tape, leaving only a small "marker" file on the disk. The next time that file was accessed, it would be pulled back from tape.
[18:15] <r3> the problem was that it wasn't that smart. So if you had someone at their workstation doing a "backup" or something, it could pull hundreds of MB (GB?) back from tape, running the filesystem out of room.
[18:15] <Khaytsus> Ouch :D
[18:15] <r3> also, if your backup software wasn't properly configured and integrated with this system, the system backups could also trigger it, also running your filesystem out of room.
[18:15] <Khaytsus> But yeah the university had the same thing.. similar to what like amazon calls it today.. there was hot, warm, and ocld storage
[18:16] <Khaytsus> hot = on disk, warm = had to be retrieved. cold = had to be requested
[18:16] <Khaytsus> cold was a manual process, that is
[18:16] <r3> it was a nightmare. Once, the file attributes for one of the main database files got corrupt and it began migrating the database to tape, but it would get locked at various points, but it kept on trying
[18:16] <r3> yeah, the warm "near online" idea
[18:16] <schibes> I'm guessing the "cold" was some dude hopping into his car and driving somewhere
[18:17] <schibes> or maybe FedEx was somehow involved
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[18:18] <r3> of course, as I was working for a tape/tape drive manufacturer at the time, we had a partnership with the morons who were pushing this software, and corporate LOVED the idea (to sell more tape drives), so we HAD to use it on the coporate network/servers. It was awful.
[18:18] <Khaytsus> schibes: Never underestimate the bandwidth capacity of a station wagon full of backup tapes.
[18:18] <r3> heh
[18:18] <schibes> sneakernet!
[18:18] <Khaytsus> Or my modern version
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[18:18] <Khaytsus> Never underestimate the bandwidth capacity of a pair of cargo pants full of thumb drives.
[18:18] <r3> ok, </storytime> and </oldtimer> ... I've got stuff to do. Cheers for now! Thanks for letting me reminisce.
[18:18] <schibes> bye!
[18:18] <Khaytsus> r3: Time to nap huh? :D
[18:19] <Khaytsus> schibes: I think cold storage was intended to archive something you didn't need anymore, so somehow that was marked as such and put on tape and that tape did not live in the robot
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[18:20] <Khaytsus> If you needed it back, they'd have to get it from wherever they stored offline tapes
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[18:32] <mlelstv> ... using other robots
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[18:45] <dury> <?php phpinfo(); ?> doesm't recognize my php version, but if I do php -v command on terminal it doesn't
[18:46] <dury> sorry it does
[18:46] <dury> by terminal I mean
[18:46] <Khaytsus> 11:08:10 Lartza | The guide just tells you how to update to 7.3 but doesn't install mod_php or how to use it ;)
[18:48] <dury> Khaytsus, I don't know how to do it
[18:48] <stiv> dury, sounds like the webserver is not seeing php
[18:48] <Khaytsus> He didn't install mod_php or something
[18:48] <stiv> that would do it
[18:49] <dury> so "sudo apt install mod_php" then?
[18:49] <Khaytsus> raspbian is just debian in a pi... so look up how you'd do it on debian
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[19:02] <dury> stiv, did "sudo apt install mod_php" it says that package couldn't find
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[19:03] <stiv> mod_php or something. a little googling should find the exact package name
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[19:04] <dury> stiv, could you please help me, which one would it be?
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[19:06] <stiv> sorry, dury not really a php guy
[19:06] <Tenkawa> dury: apt-cache search mod_php
[19:06] <Tenkawa> let me look
[19:07] <dury> thanks Tenkawa
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[19:07] <dury> really appreciate it, believe me
[19:07] <Tenkawa> which php module you looking for?
[19:08] <Tenkawa> just the general one?
[19:08] <dury> mmm.. for php version 7.3
[19:08] <Tenkawa> see if this is what you are looking for
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[19:09] <Khaytsus> he installed php from some random source
[19:09] <Tenkawa> apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php
[19:09] <Tenkawa> oh
[19:09] <Khaytsus> and can't find mod php
[19:09] <Tenkawa> not from raspbian sources?
[19:09] <Khaytsus> apparently not
[19:10] <Tenkawa> then he's probably going to going to need to get the source and compile it or grab it from the same place
[19:11] <toastintheshell> I'm finally watching netflix on a raspi :D
[19:11] <stiv> dury, what are you using for a webserver?
[19:11] <dury> apache
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[19:11] <Tenkawa> not having any context of how he installed php makes it next to impossible for me to speculate
[19:12] <Tenkawa> toastintheshell: nice
[19:12] <Tenkawa> toastintheshell: will hulu work yet?
[19:12] <dury> stiv, apache
[19:13] <dury> Tenkawa: did this => https://janw.me/2019/installing-php7-3-rapsberry-pi/
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[19:14] <Tenkawa> thats all official packages
[19:14] <toastintheshell> for a while netflix and amazon were broken, but seems to be working in LibreELEC9/Kodi18, +special jerryrigged netflix repository addon, plus apparently the only way to install widevine plugin is by downloading a 2gb chromeos backup image to your pi, extracting the armhf version from that, then installing it
[19:15] <toastintheshell> the chromeos widevine stuff is all automated in the latest release though
[19:15] <toastintheshell> hulu and amazon prime video I don't know about, prime I'll definitely want, hulu I could take or leave
[19:16] <dury> Tenkawa, by default raspbian install 7.0.33 php version
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[19:17] <dury> but need 7.1, 7.2 or 7.3
[19:17] <Tenkawa> yes... what I'm saying is that stuff is still all official
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[19:18] <Tenkawa> the mod_php if you want newer you will have build yourself
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[19:18] <dury> How does it do it, stiv
[19:18] <toastintheshell> so the official raspbian php package isn't up to date?
[19:18] <Khaytsus> toastintheshell: it's at 7.0
[19:18] <Khaytsus> Which is just fine
[19:19] <Tenkawa> I'm looking at the newest one in the the repo in stretch is 7.0-49
[19:19] <stiv> dury, sorry? how does what do what?
[19:19] <Khaytsus> He wants joomla which requires 7.1+
[19:19] <Tenkawa> if you want anything newer then you must build it yourself
[19:20] <dury> I don't know how to do it... that's what I'm saying
[19:20] <Tenkawa> or find pre-staged
[19:20] <stiv> to install stuff from source you typically: download & unpack it; run configure script; make; sudo make install;
[19:20] <Tenkawa> I know
[19:20] <stiv> if you are lucky.... but that's the basic process
[19:20] <Tenkawa> This is how we all learned
[19:21] <stiv> if one chimp can do it, so can another! # motto for today
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[19:22] <Tenkawa> doesnt php have a cpan equivilent
[19:22] <Tenkawa> I thought it had something similar
[19:22] <Tenkawa> to update modules
[19:22] <Tenkawa> (cpan being perl's update utility)
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[19:23] <Tenkawa> bbiaf... afk
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[19:30] <dury> stiv, which package source should I download to run make install in my case?
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[19:39] <dury> Khaytsus, I think it's better to remove sd-card with all system running right now, and do clean install for the beginning and install (apache, mysql all the stuff need it for joomla from source rather than repos) what you think?
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[19:40] <dury> of follow the linked by Lartza
[19:40] <stiv> dury, one of these, I guess. http://www.php.net/downloads.php
[19:43] <dury> stiv, which one .bz2, gz, or xz?
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[19:43] <stiv> the extension just tells what compression method was used
[19:44] <stiv> .gz tends to work everywhere by default
[19:44] <dury> stiv, right I see, great thanks
[19:46] <dury> is it possible to download by wget'
[19:47] <dury> need to go to toilet one sec.
[19:48] <dury> sorry guyss
[19:48] <dury> one sec....
[19:50] <stiv> wget *should* work. unless they are doing funny web stuff
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[19:56] <dury> back
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[19:58] <dury> stiv, let's say "wget http://www.php.net/downloads.php/php-7.3.2.tar.gz"
[20:01] <dury> stiv, it did :-)
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[20:03] <Khaytsus> Lord this is still going
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[20:10] <dury> stiv, the thing now is to untar "php-7.3.2.tar.gz" in which directory or folder?
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[20:26] <Khaytsus> dury: this is not the place to walk you through building php...
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[20:27] <Khaytsus> dury: You should just use older joomla
[20:27] <dury> ok
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[20:30] <dury> Khaytsus, what about WordPress'
[20:31] <Khaytsus> Why are you running a blog on your pi anyway... do you even know how to make it reachable from the internet?
[20:34] <dury> yes sir I do reachable from internet, of course
[20:34] <dury> from the internet, sorry
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[20:36] <dury> Khaytsus, would you like ssh ?
[20:36] <dury> to reach it
[20:38] <Khaytsus> uh no
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[20:41] <dury> Khaytsus, I'm pretty sure you would able to configure it as a stable webserver for joomla and Wordpress though
[20:41] <dury> anyway... will see what's happen
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[20:43] <dury> just need someone to drive me how to do it that's all
[20:44] <dury> did install apache on it it works
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[20:45] <dury> so the trick is to install older joomla and WordPress, right?
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[20:50] <toastintheshell> man, netflix is super laggy, would overclocking maybe help?
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[20:54] <DanielTheFox> I thought netflix used h264
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[20:55] <toastintheshell> yeah it says that in the stream info
[20:56] <toastintheshell> in stream selection there's only 1 stream available at 1080p, nothing i can find to switch to 720
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> someone asked me once how could I stand my "horrible" internet speed
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> (1 MB/s symmetric)
[20:58] <DanielTheFox> I told them "no torrenting, no netflix, no realtime streaming, downloading to disk and watching from disk afterwards is faster and allows you to watch multiple times"
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[20:59] <toastintheshell> would more gpu memory be better or more cpu? is it the cpu handling streaming video?
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[20:59] <DanielTheFox> which model of RPi are you using?
[20:59] <DanielTheFox> are the movies 60fps?
[20:59] <toastintheshell> 3B+
[21:00] <toastintheshell> i'll have to doublecheck that once it reboots
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> AFAIK, the RPi is supposedly incapable of playing 1080p at 60fps, only up to 30fps
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> not even the 3B+
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[21:01] <DanielTheFox> if it's h264, it's almost entirely GPU's job
[21:01] <dTal> DanielTheFox: what's the distinction between "torrenting" and "downloading to disk and watching from disk afterwards"
[21:01] <dury> tar xf php-7.3.2.tar.gz
[21:01] <dury> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[21:01] <dury> tar: Child returned status 1
[21:01] <dury> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[21:02] <DanielTheFox> if it's HEVC h265, it's most likely CPU's job, with some little computing assistance from GPU
[21:02] <toastintheshell> so gpu_mem_512=256 would be best?
[21:02] <pagetelegram> I play HD just fine on 2nd gen Pi, though all in ASCII with aaxine :P I am a ASCII char peeper!
[21:02] <DanielTheFox> dTal: because 99% people I know that do torrenting are not downloading movies, but games instead
[21:03] <dury> the same if I do tar -xzvf php-7.3.2.tar.gz
[21:03] <dTal> sounds like a great way to give your computer aids
[21:03] <DanielTheFox> yes :P
[21:03] <toastintheshell> I really just use torrents for ISOs
[21:03] <DanielTheFox> and the same morons go and buy pirate movies from somebody else
[21:04] <Jigsy> Uh, what are the three commands for upgrading again? There's apt-get update, apt-get upgrade...
[21:04] <DanielTheFox> they have the guts to get games from questionable sources but not for movies, so they have to spend $$$
[21:04] <Jigsy> I don't remember the third.
[21:04] <dTal> idist-upgrade
[21:04] <dTal> *dist
[21:04] <dTal> also safe-upgrade but no one knows what that does :p
[21:04] <toastintheshell> I just buy my bootleg movies from the chinese fella on the subway the old fashioned way
[21:05] <Jigsy> I also seem to be having trouble installing packages for some reason.
[21:06] <toastintheshell> I've heard for rolling-release distros we're supposed to use apt full-upgrade
[21:07] <Jigsy> That was it!
[21:07] <Jigsy> Thanks.
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[21:07] <Jigsy> I did have them written down, but I seem to have lost the list.
[21:07] <toastintheshell> Jigsy: is that a rolling release distro you're working with?
[21:07] <Jigsy> Uh...?
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[21:08] <toastintheshell> definitely check distro docs first, they all have their own little quirks
[21:08] <toastintheshell> but for most rolling-release I think apt full-upgrade, for regular releasae apt-get dist-upgrade is preferred, not entirely sure what the difference is
[21:09] <d0rm0us3> stable & bleeding edge
[21:09] <toastintheshell> dist=stable full=bleeding edge?
[21:09] <d0rm0us3> That's the I figure it.
[21:10] <d0rm0us3> + way
[21:10] <d0rm0us3> But I'm a noob
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[21:10] <Jigsy> Also, is there an equiv of gparted on Raspbian?
[21:10] <Jigsy> One of my USB drives screwed up and I can't format it on windows.
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[21:13] <toastintheshell> gparted should work, not sure if there's a gui equivalent included, I really only use the lite cli image most of the time and customize from there
[21:15] <Habbie> gparted is gnome
[21:15] <Habbie> so yes, gui
[21:15] <Habbie> and it is in raspbian, indeed
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[21:21] <pagetelegram> heya, where do I start to get printing working under Raspbian Stretch? I installed CUPS and GutenPrint and not sure I know what I am doing.
[21:21] <pagetelegram> Using 2nd gen Pi
[21:21] <pagetelegram> 700mhz one
[21:21] <Habbie> printing under raspbian is just like printing under debian
[21:22] <Habbie> this may make it easier to find documentation
[21:23] <pagetelegram> Ok, with CUPS installed, nothing is inserted in the DE's menu to configure and add printers. Is that a tool missing that I need to install? Usually Debian out of box comes with printing already to setup. Raspbian I am not sure what I need to install.
[21:24] <infojunky> pagetelegram: need printer driver
[21:24] <pagetelegram> I have the PPD file ready just not sure where to plug it.
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[21:25] <pagetelegram> It is an obsure laser printer, using PPD is the only known method for the linux to support.
[21:25] <Jigsy> Aha.
[21:25] <Jigsy> Finally managed to install higan.
[21:25] <infojunky> add printer via config files, ir via localhost:631... it should prompt for driver file location, browse... add, continue..
[21:26] <Jigsy> Guessing I just needed to apt up(dat|grad)e.
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[21:30] <Jigsy> Oh, yeah.
[21:30] <Jigsy> How do I log in as root?
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[21:31] <dury> success guys php version 7.3.1-3 running :-)
[21:31] <Habbie> Jigsy, sudo should work
[21:31] <dury> great
[21:31] <pagetelegram> Jigsy: 'su'
[21:31] <Jigsy> Ah.
[21:32] <toastintheshell> woohoo!
[21:32] <Jigsy> Woot.
[21:33] <Jigsy> Now I need to try and wipe the drive again.
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[21:33] <Jigsy> At which point it'll die.
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[21:34] <Jigsy> I guess that also explains why Wireshark never worked.
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[21:42] <pagetelegram> Printer is USB so listening to ports won't help ifaik
[21:43] <infojunky> pagetelegram: is cupsd running? if so, run 'netstat -ntlp'
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[21:47] <dury> nite nite all
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[21:48] <pagetelegram> yea it is running. No prompt when I plugged in the Usb from printer.
[21:48] <pagetelegram> tcp @ 127.0.0.1 port 631
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[21:49] <infojunky> prompt?
[21:50] <infojunky> go to localhost:631 in browser, if possible.. or enable for :631 on IP ... manage from there
[21:50] <infojunky> else, stuck in cli and config files to resolve..
[21:50] <pagetelegram> Thanks
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[21:51] <infojunky> from their, should be consistent on getting any printer running on linux...
[21:51] <infojunky> there /gah .. horrible
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[22:00] <pagetelegram> Aurora browser crashes the Pi, any recommendation for a very light browser for configuring CUPS
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> hmm
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[22:01] <DanielTheFox> you said you had 2nd generation Pi, right?
[22:02] <pagetelegram> Yes, the first one without the composite out.
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> ok
[22:02] <Khaytsus> pagetelegram: You can't use the command line for cups?
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> (FYI, it still has composite out, just being neatly hidden in the 3.5mm analog audio output)
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> and, well well well
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> you don't have a lot of RAM then :)
[22:03] <pagetelegram> Fox: wow! Khaytsus: Still a novice with these cupsd.conf
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[22:03] <Khaytsus> I didn't say edit the config
[22:04] <pagetelegram> That's why I am trying for lightweight browser....I've used some before just don't recall their names
[22:05] <DanielTheFox> does text browser count?
[22:05] <DanielTheFox> if then, I can suggest Links2
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[22:06] <DanielTheFox> (but it pretty much lacks JavaScript or any sort of client-side scripting, so not well)
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[22:06] <pagetelegram> lynx to config cups? i use lynx in my console only laptop; maybe difficult with cups
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[22:08] <pagetelegram> I'll try it
[22:10] <pagetelegram> what's that netstat command arguement again for cups?
[22:11] <infojunky> netstat -ntlp
[22:11] <infojunky> :631 .. will show up
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[22:13] <pagetelegram> I did 'service cups start' and still not started or program not showing now, after hard reset.
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[22:17] <infojunky> service cupsd start ?
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[22:19] <pagetelegram> now reports service not found /;
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[22:21] <larsks> pagetelegram: "journalctl -u cups" will show you log output from the cups service; maybe there are some errors there that would be useful.
[22:21] <larsks> Also maybe /var/log/cups.
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[22:29] <pagetelegram> lot of 'create-printer-subscription' and yesterday one log for 'CUPS-get-ppds"
[22:29] <pagetelegram> error log is null
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[22:48] <Marco-123> hi all. i've just enabled SPI on my pi with raspi-config. i've wired up my SPI SD card reader. but now i am stuck. I cannot find any tutorials or docs on this. I've found some but they seem to be for versions of the kernel that predate the SPI kernel module. my goal: simply read files from another sd card.
[22:49] <Marco-123> any ideas? please and thank you
[22:51] <ShorTie> usb adapter ??
[22:54] <Marco-123> thanks but i don't like that solution. i'd consider it as a plan b.
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Marco-123, a 2nd SD card? er..
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't a USB SD reader be easier..?
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok, plan b ...
[22:54] <Marco-123> yes it would. it would also be uglier and possibly slower.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> it may be uglier, however it will be faster.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> SPI SD card reading is realatively slow.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I've just in the past couple of days hooked an SPI SD device to an ATmega and written a lot of code for it. It's fine - usable, but not blisteringly fast.
[22:56] <Marco-123> gordonDrogon: i'm gonna take your word for that. makes sense. but i still want to explore this approach. it was so easy to flip on SPI, it would be great to see this through.
[22:56] <Marco-123> damn guys. you're making me want to change approach already.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I don't know if there is a kernel filesystem module for SPI SD cards - although it would surprise me if there wasn't.
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> however there is a lot of code out there to read FAT type filesystems on SD.
[22:57] <Marco-123> if i use a usb adapter, it would mount the sd file system straight away, huh. no fuss.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> so you could write something in C then integrate it into the OS via FUSE (although I know not how, but it's on my to-do list for my project as I am writing a 'new' filesysem that Linux won't recognise)
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> yes - it'll just look like /dev/sda
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> +partitions.
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> you'd be hard pressed to tell it apart from a normal usb data key/thumb drive thing.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fujifilm-USB-SD-Card-Reader/dp/B001725Y0Q
[23:00] <Marco-123> im changing approaches. time is money! thank you gordonDrogon and ShorTie
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Marco-123, yea, I know - it's nice to tinker and build stuff like this though, but sometimes...
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[23:02] <audiopath> hi, i got weird dns problems in octopi (raspbian fork) on my pi3b+, did someone else notice something like that?
[23:02] <Marco-123> indeed. was hoping it would be turn-key because it looks so cool wired up!
[23:03] <audiopath> it must be some failed pi-hole installation or some update
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[23:03] <audiopath> i deleted pi-hole, but maybe not every part of it
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20190209_220701.jpg <-- shows SD card reader on a pcb... ( Marco-123 )
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[23:17] <Marco-123> is that your project?
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[23:18] <Marco-123> "Gordon" ! great work. looks wonderful
[23:18] <Marco-123> very tidy looking
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> yes - it's something I'm working on.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> a fun/vanity project.
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[23:19] <Marco-123> the best kind of project. best of luck
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> slightly better image here: https://unicorn.drogon.net/ruby-pcb0.jpg but that was before I soldered on the sd card voltage lever shifter thing.
[23:19] <Marco-123> i dug out a sd card extension ribbon cable. makes this approach of mine seem neater.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> it's a 6502 system called Ruby becuase last year marked my 40th year of programming the 6502.
[23:21] <Marco-123> what does it do?
[23:21] <Marco-123> do you program the 6052 for a living?
[23:21] <Marco-123> 6502
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I did in the past.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> now, just for fun.
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> that board- well it runs a few different BASICs and lets me play with a 6502, although I do own a few Apple IIs and BBC Micros which were both 6502 based systems.
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[23:25] <Marco-123> interesting. i'm very interested in grabbing an old computer to program. i was thinking a spectrum or something. but when i discuss that with people, i only get "you will find programming those more of a chore".
[23:25] <Marco-123> i mean, i know they are much more low level than what i do these days, but i'm still familiar with basic somewhat
[23:25] <Marco-123> and the hardware is COOL.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> is was a chore, but in the late 70's/early 80's that was what we had.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> so we put up with it and made the most of it - mostly because we didn't know any better...
[23:28] <dTal> you can program a ZX Spectrum in C nowadays
[23:28] <Marco-123> dTal: !
[23:28] <dTal> I made a demo for one for a "Digital Innovations Day" in my hometown, in association with a music festival
[23:29] <dTal> had the festival logo, the complete lineup, and various spectrum-y wipe effects
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> the old 8-bit micros all have C compilers for them, but they're not that efficient.
[23:30] <dTal> the dev cycle is way easier now that we have cross compilers, image->ram convertors, and stereo->cassette adapters :p
[23:30] <dTal> (not to mention emulators)
[23:31] <dTal> trying to program a spectrum in assembly, *on* the spectrum with only a cassette tape for persistence, sounds like it might be painful
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I did it once. just once.
[23:31] <dTal> Marco-123: I would recommend one of the TI graphing calculators if you're interesting in that sort of thing
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I wasn't really a spectrum fan though.
[23:32] <dTal> they're built exactly like an old micro, but they have flash storage and a thriving modern community
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> there was the great wars of the 6502 vs Z80 back then too .... Actually with a :-) almost like vim/emacs today!
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[23:34] <Marco-123> dTal: thanks for all the info. and your c project sounded neat
[23:34] <mlelstv> 6809 to the rescue ?
[23:34] <teepee> dev directly on the machine was much more dangerous on Z80... too powerful machine code available :)
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> one of my goals for this is to get bcpl running on it.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> mlelstv, it was nice, but too little too late for most people.
[23:35] <Marco-123> dTal: is there a TI model that you know if popular for programming (just curious)
[23:35] <mlelstv> TI99 ?
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> the 6809
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> oh- maybe the calculator model you meant there :)
[23:36] <dTal> TI-83+ series (TI-84+ etc)
[23:37] <dTal> those are Z80
[23:37] <mlelstv> TI99/4A, not exactly a calculator.
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[23:38] <dTal> the TI-84 Plus CE came out relatively recently so there's some buzz around it, but it has a color screen
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> no - tired grey cells tonight - that was the computer with the separate graphics chip/memory thing.
[23:39] <Marco-123> im drooling over the ti 92
[23:39] <Marco-123> and i dont even know what i can do with it
[23:40] <Marco-123> im quite intrigued by computers that are compact but have all the necessary periphs included.
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[23:41] <dTal> ah yes the 68k series is very sexy
[23:41] <dTal> afraid the community is not as vibrant around them anymore
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> compact computers with all the peripherals ... mobile phones?
[23:43] <dTal> people have done... impressive things with them
[23:43] <dTal> https://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/251/25178.html
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> Doom :)
[23:44] <dTal> https://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/405/40593.html
[23:44] <Marco-123> yeah saw doom on AVGN
[23:44] <Marco-123> wonderful
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> my first programmable calculator was a Casio FX502p. digits only...
[23:46] <Marco-123> that looks awesome. mean lookin
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> used it during some numerical analysis classes at uni - much to the lecturers annoyance who wanted us to iterate the calculations by hand... damn him, we were there to learn computing!
[23:46] <Marco-123> ive gtg fellas. thank you for the convo!
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> yea, bed time for me too..
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