#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2019-02-11

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[1:52] <MikeRL> Guess what guys? My official touchscreen display from Amazon was defective.
[1:53] <MikeRL> No bueno.
[1:53] <MikeRL> And what is it with Ubuntu MATE? It used to be so damn quick on the Pi 2. I remember running Firefox on it.
[1:54] <MikeRL> Now even Vivaldi hard locks Ubuntu MATE.
[1:54] <MikeRL> I swear that Ubuntu used to be better.
[1:55] <MikeRL> Raspbian has zero issues.
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[2:04] <MikeRL> Luckily I can sstill output to a TV.
[2:04] <DanielTheFox> nice
[2:05] <DanielTheFox> HDTV or composite?
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[2:08] <MikeRL> HDTV via HDMI.
[2:08] <MikeRL> I blown up the text in Hexchat and the UI and zoom in Vivaldi.
[2:10] <MikeRL> I wonder when Raspbian will provide 64 bit images.
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[2:11] <Khaytsus> Maybe when there's a point to bothering
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[2:12] <MikeRL> Yeah I don't think there's too much of a benefit atm.
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[2:12] <DanielTheFox> tbh, I think no actual programs would benefit of having a 64-bit OS, hopefully they'd be able to process very large numbers faster or access more memoty
[2:12] <MikeRL> The devs would have to maintain two architectures, which would be a PITA.
[2:12] <DanielTheFox> *memory
[2:13] <MikeRL> Now, it would make apps use more memory.
[2:13] <MikeRL> And you might get a few security and stability benefits.
[2:13] <DanielTheFox> memory is not a spare resource in a RPi
[2:13] <MikeRL> At least for a web browser.
[2:13] <DanielTheFox> nor anywhere: it's fairly expensive
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[2:14] <MikeRL> I think Ubuntu MATE being 64 bit may be why it's such a RAM hog.
[2:14] <DanielTheFox> I haven't seen a 16GB RAM computer anywhere that wasn't for gaming, the most I've seen was 8 GB and it was already enormous even for super hog operating systems
[2:15] <MikeRL> This kind of reminds me of the Nexus 9. Device had a 64 bit processor, but most apps weren't 64 bit yet.
[2:15] <DanielTheFox> (and I don't own computers with more than 2 GB RAM anyway, yet I manage to use a browser)
[2:15] <friendofafriend> Are you using links, DanielTheFox?
[2:15] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: links2, yes
[2:15] <DanielTheFox> but also Firefox and Chromium
[2:16] <MikeRL> Firefox 52 ESR?
[2:16] <MikeRL> Isn't that EOL? Don't a lot of sites break in it?
[2:16] <DanielTheFox> I wouldn't use FF if I had not left the AWS credentials there, and I'm too lazy to put the bookmarks on Chromium and input everything there
[2:16] <MikeRL> I know the version of Chromium is old, but at least it's well optimized.
[2:16] <friendofafriend> I've got an AMD A4 that runs links, mutt, IRC, hangouts, plays YouTube by VLC. It's "throwaway"-class hardware here.
[2:17] <DanielTheFox> Mozilla Firefox 60.5.0
[2:17] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: uhh
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[2:17] <DanielTheFox> this is an Intel Pentium 4
[2:17] <MikeRL> Where are you getting 60.5.0 ESR from?
[2:17] <DanielTheFox> it'd go right away to trash or museum
[2:17] <DanielTheFox> MikeRL: Debian Stable
[2:17] <MikeRL> Is it possible for a user to install it?
[2:17] <MikeRL> All I can find is 52 ESR...
[2:17] <DanielTheFox> hmm, I don't even know if it's ESR
[2:17] <friendofafriend> Nice! It's probably a lot faster, this thing is dual-core and clocked at 1.8GHz. Plenty of SBCs would annihilate it.
[2:18] <MikeRL> You should check.
[2:18] <DanielTheFox> firefox -v only outputs Mozilla Firefox 60.5.0
[2:18] <DanielTheFox> is it supposed to output "ESR" if it is?
[2:18] <MikeRL> Not sure. But that's ESR.
[2:18] <Khaytsus> People still use Firefox?
[2:18] <MikeRL> sI do.
[2:18] <MikeRL> I miss it.
[2:19] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: it's a P4 at 2.8GHz
[2:19] <DanielTheFox> not really fast for you
[2:19] <DanielTheFox> but it goes nicely for DosBox, as it's purely single-core
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[2:19] <DanielTheFox> and DosBox appears to use only one core anyway
[2:19] <DanielTheFox> ...I haven't tried to use DosBox on the RPi yet!
[2:20] <MikeRL> How did you get 60 ESR?
[2:20] <DanielTheFox> MikeRL: ...apt update && apt upgrade
[2:20] <MikeRL> Are you on Raspbian or on full blown Debian?
[2:20] <DanielTheFox> no special procedure
[2:20] <DanielTheFox> MikeRL: I'm talking about full blown Debian on a fairly obsolete x86 computer
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[2:21] <MikeRL> DanielTheFox, that explains why I don't see it.
[2:21] <DanielTheFox> Raspbian has no modern Firefox?
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[2:22] <DanielTheFox> well, I'd think they find no reason to maintain it on where 99% people thinks "there is not enough RAM"
[2:22] <DanielTheFox> the heck, I used to work on 64 KB RAM stuff
[2:22] <MikeRL> No modern Quantum, sadly.
[2:23] <MikeRL> firefox -v outputs Mozilla Firefox 52.9.0
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[2:27] <DanielTheFox> how much RAM is enough RAM?
[2:27] <DanielTheFox> the needs rise over time, it looks like we'll never reach a condition where we find "enough" of anything computer-related
[2:28] <DanielTheFox> (on the other hand, if your needs are fixed and don't evolve or rise over time, same-end hardware's price decreases over time, which is good enough for the kind of stuff I do)
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[2:33] <MikeRL> Tried installing it from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/armhf/firefox-esr/download
[2:33] <MikeRL> And got a startup crash
[2:33] <DanielTheFox> that's probably the actual reason
[2:34] <DanielTheFox> the code has a bug somewhere...?
[2:34] <MikeRL> Yeah I think I read something about the 32 bit ARM Firefox builds not starting.
[2:35] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[2:35] <DanielTheFox> I'll turn into a skeleton if I keep waiting for some kind of semi-local AWS client that uses the API
[2:36] <DanielTheFox> but it's currently painful here to use the web version
[2:36] <DanielTheFox> since it's a horrible airport-like hotspot which is unencrypted but you have to put a password on a local html page
[2:37] <DanielTheFox> and kicks you off if the connection somehow gets reset or you overshoot an invisible connection/failure/data threshold
[2:37] <DanielTheFox> so you have to put the goddamned password again :<
[2:40] <DanielTheFox> hmm, gonna need to mail the ISP guy (I know him) and ask him about that
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[8:29] <plasmoduck> I have a small pc speaker, can I connect it to the gpio pins to use it for audio play back?
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[8:33] <shiftplusone> not directly, no. There's no analog output. You'd need make a circuit to use PWM and give enough power to drive the speaker.
[8:45] <plasmoduck> damn
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[9:06] <friendofafriend> A small PC speaker, do you mean like a buzzer?
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> plasmoduck, depending on the resistance of the speaker, some beeps and squawks might be possible.
[9:08] <friendofafriend> Something like this? https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1xa3rRFXXXXbNXFXXq6xXFXXXh/5-PCS-Free-Shipping-Mini-Plug-Speaker-For-PC-Interanal-BIOS-Computer-Motherboard-Mini-Onboard-Case.jpg
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[9:08] <gordonDrogon> it depends if you want "audio" - meaning music, speech and what not, or 'chip tunes' type stuff.
[9:08] <plasmoduck> Yes
[9:08] <plasmoduck> thats what I have
[9:09] <friendofafriend> Oh, yeah, that's a buzzer. You can connect it right up.
[9:09] <plasmoduck> I want it to play SID music
[9:09] <plasmoduck> Is that possible?
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> well - yes.
[9:09] <plasmoduck> :)
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> assuming your SID playe uses the standard Linux audio drivers - just use the PWM output pins - which is how the Pi generates audio to the 3.5mm jack output.
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[9:10] <gordonDrogon> or just connect it to the 3.5mm jack.
[9:10] <friendofafriend> With a piezo buzzer?
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[9:10] <gordonDrogon> it's designed for driving headphones not a speaker though.
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> but you can get it to buzz a piezeo.
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[9:11] <friendofafriend> There's a cute little instructable about using a Piezo from the GPIO pins. https://www.instructables.com/id/Playing-the-Imperial-March-From-Star-Wars-on-Raspb/
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_i2P-wazhA
[9:12] <friendofafriend> Oh hey, and what a repo he clones! ;)
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> also: https://youtu.be/Ij_HR_kr_eg
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[9:14] <gordonDrogon> that's using a small 80Ω speaker. Not sure I actually recommend it though, but it works. that works by old fashioned toggling a pin rather than use the Linux audio driver via the PWM ports.
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[9:20] <phinxy> I hope the next raspberry get AV1 video decoding
[9:21] <friendofafriend> What SBCs have hardware AV1 decoding?
[9:22] * gordonDrogon shrugs
[9:22] <gordonDrogon> I don't evne know what that is, so I'm obviously not missing it.
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[9:24] <friendofafriend> Panel at the National Association of Broadcasters 2018 says AV1 hardware support is two years out.
[9:24] <friendofafriend> https://www.multichannel.com/news/hardware-support-big-step-ahead-av1
[9:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. has a royalty-free codec ever gone mainstream?
[9:27] <gordonDrogon> it's a great idea, but I fear projects like this just get squashed by the greedy corps )-:
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[9:30] <friendofafriend> My TV supports Vorbis. I don't think I've got any non-computer device that supports Opus.
[9:30] <shiftplusone> It's hard to argue with free. Like ARM is probably losing a lot of revenue with some companies choosing riscv, if you can get better performance than HEVC for free, I'm not sure how they could squash it.
[9:30] <shiftplusone> Of course the cost of developing hardware to do it and all that is a whole separate issue.
[9:31] <friendofafriend> Googs is working on a hardware AV1 decoder, it seems. https://parisvideotech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/AOM-AV1-Video-Tech-meet-up.pdf
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[9:32] <friendofafriend> (Page #28.)
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> if the Pi GPU up to the decode? (and is someone up to the challenge of writing the code!)
[9:33] <shiftplusone> verilog source code and royalty free license... hard to argue with that.
[9:33] <friendofafriend> It'd be neat to see a hardware decoder add-on board like the CrystalHD.
[9:34] <friendofafriend> I think there's even been Linux-supported video-encoder-on-USB devices around.
[9:34] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon: I think the idea is that there would be an added block that would do it, rather than the existing GPU. There has been some work done to accelerate codecs by using the QPUs and VPUs, but it's nowhere near as good as hardware dedicated for the purpose.
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> heh..
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> I remember when (unnamed company) was experimenting with audio codecs - we built a box of about 8 boards, each with 4 transputers on running at 25Mhz to do the encoding...
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[9:37] <shiftplusone> Looks like google were planning to release something in 2017, but I can't find anything. Sounds like they've dropped it?
[9:37] <gordonDrogon> now I can do 8-channels of it it in software on a 1Ghz VIA chip.
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[9:47] <plasmoduck> Instead of connecting all my computers to wifi, how can I just have the pi connected to the wifi and make it share the internet connection to to its ethernet port so I can plug it into a network switch and plug all my computers into the switch for internet?
[9:47] <plasmoduck> Also does that mean that just 1 computer connection and ip will show up on the modem router?
[9:47] <plasmoduck> Or will it still show all the computers?
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> it depends how you do it.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> if you make the Pi a switch then all will show on the router.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> if you make the Pi a router then only one will show.
[9:48] <shiftplusone> You don't mind that it's going to be slow and the bandwidth will be shared between all the connected PCs?
[9:48] <plasmoduck> I stay in a hotel and I want to have my own mini network
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[9:48] <plasmoduck> I wanna make it a router running pi hole and dns server
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> I'd buy a dedicated device that does it, but it's not too hard on a Pi.
[9:49] <plasmoduck> and share the internet from its wifi connection to ethernet, I only have 2 pcs and a laptop will connect to it
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> in this case you'd want the Pi to be a router and run dhcp on the Ethernet side of things.
[9:49] <plasmoduck> and not all being used at once
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> (and NAT)
[9:49] <shiftplusone> Some of the essentials covered here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_sharing
[9:50] <shiftplusone> in short, set up dnsmasq, iptables rules and ip forwarding
[9:50] <shiftplusone> and a static IP for the pi
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> or just buy a box that does it for you.
[9:51] <plasmoduck> what kind of box?
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> a black one.
[9:51] <friendofafriend> Gosh, I can't recommend OpenWRT enough for doing that.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> I think the keyword to look for is "travel router"
[9:53] <friendofafriend> OpenWRT runs great on the Raspberry Pi, friendly web interface. https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.2/targets/brcm2708/
[9:53] <friendofafriend> Best part, a ~10MB image. ;)
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[10:24] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend why is there 3 different versions?
[10:24] <plasmoduck> Which one do I get?
[10:24] <plasmoduck> I have RPI 3 Model B
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[10:28] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: You'd need this one. https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.2/targets/brcm2708/bcm2710/
[10:29] <plasmoduck> ta
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[10:37] <plasmoduck> How do I install it onto the sdcard?
[10:37] <plasmoduck> Its different to raspbian image
[10:37] <plasmoduck> its not .img
[10:38] <shiftplusone> you mean the .img.gz file?
[10:39] <shiftplusone> etcher might handle the extraction for you. Otherwise gzip -d blah.img.gz to turn it into a regular .img file. Or use 7zip if you're in windows
[10:41] <friendofafriend> Yep, shiftplusone's got it. You'd just use https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.2/targets/brcm2708/bcm2710/openwrt-18.06.2-brcm2708-bcm2710-rpi-3-ext4-factory.img.gz unzip and write the image to SD card like usual.
[10:41] <friendofafriend> Same process as Raspbian.
[10:46] <ShorTie> it's aarch64 ??
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[10:51] <friendofafriend> ShorTie: sho'nuff.
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[10:59] <plasmoduck> Fuck I hate YouTube how-to's with a strong indian accent, its so hard to understand
[11:00] <plasmoduck> why indian always say M B and G B's instead of megabytes or gigabytes? Do they not know what it is called?
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[11:02] <friendofafriend> YouTube is kind of a lousy place to answer your tech questions. Having a problem getting OpenWRT onto your SD card?
[11:03] <shiftplusone> Keep it family friendly, please.
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[11:03] <friendofafriend> True. Raspberry Pi, like Wu-Tang, is for the children. Mang.
[11:04] <plasmoduck> Soz
[11:04] <plasmoduck> Can I bridge wifi and ethernet in openwrt?
[11:04] <friendofafriend> Yep.
[11:05] <friendofafriend> All that stuff you can do through the web interface. Nice and pointy-clicky.
[11:05] <shiftplusone> And if you read something a lot and don't hear it said often, you don't necessarily know how to say it. Or if everybody around you says it a certain way, you pick up their way of saying it. Plus English tech terms are inconsistent where sometimes you spell out the letters, sometimes you say the whole thing like one word or sometimes you just say the thing the letters stand for. I wouldn't blame anybody for him English is a second
[11:05] <shiftplusone> language for getting it 'wrong'
[11:06] <friendofafriend> When you get the Pi booted with OpenWRT, plug something into its Ethernet port. You'll get an IP address from the DHCP server running on the Pi. Navigate to and away you go.
[11:07] <shiftplusone> Does anyone actually pronounce MySQL and 'my sequel'? I've only ever heard it pronounced My S Q L, but apparently that's wrong.
[11:07] <friendofafriend> I've heard it both ways, and that "my sequel" is incorrect.
[11:09] <friendofafriend> I know this one Finnish guy, pronounces Linux as "Leeeee-nukes".
[11:10] <shiftplusone> Hey, the Fins invented it, they can call it whatever they want.
[11:12] <friendofafriend> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.mp3
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[11:13] <shiftplusone> Yeah, but the guy who invented gifs pronounces it wrong, so you know...
[11:13] <friendofafriend> Are you new to Compuserve?
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> My ess queue ell. that's good enough for me.
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[14:14] <hodapp> haaaah, I was in 16-Bit in Columbus and saw that they had what appeared to be two machines there running RetroPie
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[15:51] <plasmoduck> Is it possible to ssh into my pi from the outside without port forwarding?
[15:53] <BurtyB> if it has a public IP sure
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[15:58] <romano2k> hello! i have a problem with one of my Pis. when booting Raspbian Lite with a microSD card on which I have installed NOOBS, i get "mmcblk0: error -5 (…)" errors then a kernel panic.
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[15:59] <Khaytsus> romano2k: Your card is dead?
[15:59] <romano2k> when i try to mount the Raspbian Lite partition from an Arch Linux PC, it says (in French, my own language) that it's impossible to mount /dev/sde7 in read only. I can mount /dev/sde9 on which I have OSMC, but it says that the device is write protected and that it's mounted read only
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[16:00] <romano2k> Khaytsus: is there a way to verify this?
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[16:01] <Khaytsus> Why would your sdcard have 9 partitions? Normally it'll have 2 with rapsbian
[16:01] <Khaytsus> And how to verify it? Sure. run badblocks on it or something
[16:04] <romano2k> Khaytsus: regarding partitions, in fact it has 6 partitions. why they are numbered that way i don't know, i just installed Raspbian and OSMC through NOOBS. here is my partition table: https://pastebin.com/0TjziBxn
[16:04] <Khaytsus> oh, ah.. noobs might have them on a bunch of partitions, neve rused it
[16:05] <romano2k> I'm checking the SD card with badblocks, thanks
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[16:06] <romano2k> if i recall, i kill one microSD card per year with Raspbian and the services I use (mostly Flightradar24 feeder and a personal Ubiquiti UniFi Controller for my only Wi-Fi access point)
[16:07] <romano2k> i guess that logs or something use all the cells? what's the best way to prevent this?
[16:08] <galtj> disable logs?
[16:08] <galtj> \o/
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[16:08] <galtj> jk, i don't know
[16:09] <stiv> buy better cards?
[16:09] <romano2k> galtj: i may disable some logs i never use, but may be there's a way to handle other logs differently?
[16:09] <romano2k> stiv: it's a high end Lexar microSD, are there "better" cards than this?
[16:10] <galtj> romano2k: what do you mean
[16:10] <stiv> if it's a brand name, you are probably good. it's the ones in the checkout line at the gas station that are problematic
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[16:11] <romano2k> galtj: i don't know, is there something like keeping most logs in RAM and write them on the filesystem once a day or once a Megabyte to reduce cells wear?
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[16:12] <galtj> romano2k: i don't know, but look into how each specific application logs, there might be useful settings there
[16:12] <romano2k> stiv: then it might just be too much writes out of my setup that any microSD can handle
[16:12] <romano2k> do you guys take specific actions to prevent too much wear on raspberry pis?
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[16:13] <stiv> there are limits to the lifetime of a card. don't recall what exactly offhand
[16:14] <oq> romano2k: boot off usb
[16:14] <H__> romano2k: i use the cd card in read-only mode on some PI's where I do not need to keep local state
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[16:15] <romano2k> oq: isn't it the same problem with any flash storage? (and mostly removable types?)
[16:15] <H__> other than that, I find sd cards (and USB sticks) are quite unreliable
[16:15] <romano2k> H__: for my use cases i need read/write access
[16:15] <oq> romano2k: you'd think so but generally it fares a little better
[16:16] <romano2k> i might try network boot from my server with a "true" SSD, which is still flash but hasn't such endurance problems
[16:16] <Khaytsus> Seriousyu, yes, disable logging.
[16:17] <Khaytsus> I use tmpfs for all logging on my pi's
[16:17] <H__> use remote syslog
[16:17] <Khaytsus> You could maybe do something like log data into tmpfs, then rsync it over to the sdcaard every hour or something
[16:17] <Khaytsus> H__: He's logging data, not logs
[16:18] <romano2k> Khaytsus: how do you use tmpfs? i guess you configure softwares to store logs to /tmpfs/logfile and it stays in RAM, am i right? is it enabled by default on Raspbian?
[16:18] <stiv> perhaps just maybe the pi is not the ideal platform for this application
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[16:19] <romano2k> stiv: yes, i might also move the UniFi controller to another device
[16:19] <Khaytsus> romano2k: It's a mount line in fstab
[16:19] <romano2k> Khaytsus: ok, i'll read the docs about it, thanks for the suggestion
[16:19] <Khaytsus> romano2k: So you could add like tmpfs /blah and log your data to blah, then cronjob /blah to the real disk. that at least it's writing hourly vs constantly
[16:19] <romano2k> H__: noted, thanks! :)
[16:19] <Khaytsus> Kind of a hack but not too bad
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[16:20] <romano2k> i'm not using logs at all except for troubleshooting when something doesn't work
[16:21] <Khaytsus> romano2k: Ah, well, for random system logs I always make /var/logs tmpfs..
[16:21] <stiv> what exactly are you writing?
[16:21] <Khaytsus> I thought your adsb logging needed to be persistent
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[16:22] <Khaytsus> ONly problem with tmpfs var is you might have to micromanage it.. I just have logrotate clean up daily
[16:22] <romano2k> stiv: frankly i don't know. i know that the unifi controller uses a mongodb database and i guess it uses it to log a bunch of things happening on my wireless access point (connects, disconnects, etc.)
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[16:23] <Khaytsus> romano2k: Does that mongodb need to be persistent? I would guess it does
[16:23] <romano2k> but i would live with just a few hours or days of backlog in RAM, and i'd be fine if i loose everything on reboot too
[16:24] <romano2k> Khaytsus: i think unifi controller requires the mongodb to be persistent, but i may be able to disable most logging
[16:24] <stiv> are connects/disconnects that interesting that they need to be logged?
[16:24] <Khaytsus> yeah.. like pihole... logs a TON of stuff, but none of it really needed
[16:24] <romano2k> i guess that the database keeps track of my unifi devices and their configurations
[16:24] <ShorTie> lot depends on how nice you are to them
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[16:25] <romano2k> stiv: you can get analytics and detect rogue devices in a business environment, which unifi APs are made for, but i don't care about that at home
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[16:27] <romano2k> "sudo badblocks /dev/sde" returned nothing :-/
[16:28] <stiv> if you are not doing analytics, seems like a waste to save the data. tl;dr: if your card is wearing out from writes, don't write anything you don't care about
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[16:30] <Khaytsus> romano2k: huh.. interesting... what brand card?
[16:30] <Khaytsus> I've had sdcards that just do _not_ work well.. almost always offbrand cards
[16:30] <Khaytsus> Work fine in one device, not another
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[16:31] <romano2k> Khaytsus: it's a Lexar 300x 16GB microSD
[16:31] <Khaytsus> Seems that should be fine
[16:31] <romano2k> yes, i'm a little surprised
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[16:32] <Khaytsus> If you're just using raspbian, I'd just use raspbian vs noobs, but that should not matter
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[16:33] <romano2k> Khaytsus: it might matter a little because of partition sizes, depending on how the flash storage controller works
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[16:34] <romano2k> as i've had Raspbian and OSMC with an ~8GB partition for each, i may have killed the Raspbian partition twice as fast
[16:35] <Khaytsus> Well, it could be slightly different but afaik noobs doesn't have such issues in general..
[16:35] <Khaytsus> If the card was bad, badblocks should have exposed it pretty fast
[16:35] <romano2k> do i have to specify options?
[16:35] <romano2k> or is "sudo badblocks /dev/sde" enough? do i have to specify a partition?
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[16:37] <theGoat> is there an acl (getfacl, setfacl) package for raspian? i'll be damned if i can find one
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[16:38] <Khaytsus> theGoat: acl
[16:39] <Khaytsus> I mean, tat is the package.. should just work
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[16:39] <theGoat> apt-get install: E: Package 'acl' has no installation candidate
[16:39] <romano2k> anyway i'll see if i can recover my configuration files, then i'll start over with a new card and configure my services to write a lot less to the filesystem, thank you all for your advices!
[16:39] <Khaytsus> theGoat: cache up to date?
[16:39] <Habbie> theGoat, did you run 'apt-get update' recently?
[16:40] <Khaytsus> Habbie: I thought apt-* was deprecated? :D
[16:40] <Habbie> Khaytsus, i did not get that memoy
[16:40] <Habbie> -y
[16:40] <Khaytsus> but yes apt update ; apt install acl
[16:40] <Habbie> Khaytsus, i haven't seen any suitable replacements anyway
[16:40] <Khaytsus> Habbie: apt-get update == apt update
[16:40] <theGoat> khaytsus: i'll run it again
[16:40] <Habbie> apt is unfinished beta software
[16:40] <Habbie> but, doesn't matter here
[16:40] <hodapp> plasmoduck: not sure if you ever got an answer to this, but if you've a host on the Internet that the Pi can SSH into, you can set up a reverse SSH tunnel that will let you get into the Pi regardless of what NAT it might be behind
[16:40] <Khaytsus> Oh, interesting.
[16:40] <Habbie> Khaytsus, in 9, at least - perhaps it's finished in 10 :)
[16:41] <theGoat> that's interesting....i had run apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade yestarday to bring it up to date, but just ran apt-get update again, and it was there
[16:42] <Khaytsus> theGoat: Same pi? ;)
[16:42] <theGoat> yeah
[16:42] <Khaytsus> afaik that package isn't new.. but who knows ;)
[16:43] <Habbie> that doesn't make sense, no ;)
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[16:43] <theGoat> i am not that familiar with arm architecture, i need to install the splunk UF to do some testing, and splunk's site says it's for arm v6, will it run on this pi which is v7?
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[16:44] <Khaytsus> theGoat: I think that's a question for their support
[16:45] <Khaytsus> Googling says it works, but
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[16:56] <phinxy> /j #mpv
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[17:04] <Habbie> theGoat, yes, that is not a problem, as long as it has also been compiled for the right linux distribution
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[17:04] <theGoat> yeah, i just installed, and it seems to run
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[18:24] <oneguynick> I have look at using pv -tpreb and oflag with dd, but my CM3 still is imaging at the lightspeed of 700+MB/s
[18:24] <oneguynick> anyone have any issues like this with the CM3
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[18:46] <BurtyB> oneguynick, is the /dev/... you're writing to a device file?
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[19:07] <jancoow> Doesn't epiphany have a garbage collector for JS? I'm running a web application 24/7 and there seems to be some memory leak in it
[19:07] <jancoow> Every hour the memory increases with like 2 mb
[19:07] <jancoow> It doesn't seems to much but the rpi will crash at some point (because it's using a tmpfs)
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[19:10] <HighInBC> I have found the garbage collection in any JS engine is incomplete and that memory leaks are very easy to accomplish
[19:10] <HighInBC> the less than ideal solution for me has always been to restart the app every so often
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[19:11] <jancoow> mmh right; or refresh the page maybe?
[19:11] <jancoow> Or restart the app indeed in a cronjob every night yea
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[19:16] <HighInBC> that is how I solved most memory leaks throughout my career. Often it is deeper than your own code
[19:19] <hodapp> yeah, and it's part of why Mozilla created Rust and why Go has GC
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[19:23] <jancoow> well; I load every minute new data from the server
[19:24] <jancoow> and draw some graphs etc.
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[19:24] <jancoow> I see in the chrome developers tool that on each call the memory usage rises with ~1 mb
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[19:27] <RoyK> jancoow: could it be the tmpfs is filling up? that'll eat some memory, surely
[19:28] <jancoow> RoyK: meh; I'm closely looking at htop and writing each hour numbers down. It's clearly epiphany which raises in memory
[19:28] <RoyK> jancoow: if you try to use an on-disk filesystem, at least you could exclude that issue
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[19:28] <RoyK> jancoow: I see
[19:29] <RoyK> jancoow: then try to run it through valgrind - it's a good tool for finding memory leaks
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[19:31] <hodapp> valgrind might be iffy as it'll try to run the entire thing in a VM
[19:32] <jancoow> well I think the issue also existed when I used a normal FS; but it would work for ~1 month before it would crash. I guess because there was much more memory available
[19:32] <jancoow> but now it's kinda annoying it crashes every 5 days or so
[19:32] <RoyK> valgrind works well in a vm too
[19:32] <RoyK> same OS - same thing
[19:32] <jancoow> yeah I hope googles dev tools could help me find the bug :) The code isn't that hard but I'm not familiar with memory management in JS
[19:33] <hodapp> there really shouldn't be any, aside from making sure things aren't letting stuff grow in size
[19:34] <jancoow> for example; every minute I need to know the current time: var currentTime = new Date ();
[19:34] <jancoow> but never delete that object
[19:35] <RoyK> that doesn't sound too wise
[19:35] <hodapp> RoyK: no, what I'm saying is that valgrind itself implements a VM in order to track memory allocations/deallocations
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[19:35] <hodapp> and this VM carries considerable overhead
[19:36] <jancoow> RoyK: exactly :)
[19:36] <hodapp> it should be deleting that object if you keep no references around to it
[19:36] <RoyK> obviously - but you don't run it within valgrind all the time - 10-20 minutes should do
[19:36] <jancoow> hodapp: yes that's something I don't know in javascript
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[19:38] <hodapp> it's pretty unlikely valgrind is going to find something, unless there's literally a leak in C/C++ underneath
[19:38] <hodapp> if the JS engine has allocated something and kept a reference to it internally - but the JavaScript has not - it's not going to catch this
[19:40] <hodapp> you can't really trust anything valgrind tells you here, because as soon as GC *and* another interpreter is involved you aren't really certain if valgrind has found an actual leak or if it has just found something the GC has yet to take care of
[19:40] <hodapp> if you run your code in several differene JS engines and see similar behavior, then maybe you know for sure that the code is the problem
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[19:41] <jancoow> well I do see on each of these function calls a small hop in memory (of only 7kb)
[19:41] <jancoow> so let's check if I remove that new date() line
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[20:37] <romano2k> Hello again! I connected at around 16:00 about a dead microSD card. Some of you offered good solutions (mainly disabling or offloading logs) and I thank you again for that. I reconnect just to let you know that in the meantime I've found the solution I'll use: OverlayFS with regular syncs. What do you think about that Khaytsus, stiv and H__ ? :)
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[20:43] <indomitable> romano2k, that's a lot of highlights for no apparent reason
[20:44] <hodapp> yeahhhhh
[20:44] <hodapp> unless this is in regards to some specific discussion that happened in the recent past and involved all of them
[20:45] <hodapp> which I sort of doubt it is
[20:45] <romano2k> indomitable: then don't trust appearances. these are the 3 persons with who i talked this afternoon. they might be interested in this solution and they might have advices
[20:45] <H__> romano2k: that should help
[20:45] <indomitable> I don't even know how you kill microSD-cards
[20:45] <indomitable> Must be a ridiculous amount of IO
[20:45] <H__> well ...
[20:45] <romano2k> indomitable: have i asked for your help?
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[20:46] <H__> i've worked with over 200 rpi, and seen at least 100 sd cards being killed
[20:46] <indomitable> H__, that's a lot of rpis. What was the average life?
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[20:47] <H__> the most annoying being when they lie about having written something. Then after a reboot none of the recent changes are there anymore.
[20:47] <H__> you can dd a new image to it, and it boots the old image
[20:48] <hodapp> H__: I ran into that on one and it was baffling to me how it was able to store megabytes worth of changes, say that everything was fine, and then lose all those changes
[20:48] <hodapp> where are they even stored? some internal buffer?
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[20:48] <romano2k> H__ : did you knew about overlayFS? if yes, is there a reason why you haven't suggested it? do you think it's not a good solution?
[20:49] <H__> i also have one card here that survived being up for 756 days. with regular syslog writes written to it. That's an old 4G card of a rpi1
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[20:49] <H__> romano2k: i was fine with just tmpfs for /tmp and remounting the rest read-only.
[20:50] <H__> indomitable: average life, most broke withing 2 months i think
[20:50] <H__> within
[20:50] <H__> that was for a walk-in 3d scanner :)
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[20:52] <romano2k> H__: ok, thanks, i keep this suggestion also, i might use both in conjunction
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[20:53] <indomitable> 2 months?!
[20:53] <indomitable> jesus christ
[20:53] <indomitable> what were they used for?!
[20:53] <indomitable> what kind of stupid level io was there?
[20:53] <indomitable> cheapest possible sd cards?
[20:53] <H__> very low IO. regular raspbian.
[20:54] <indomitable> there are people here who have had single sd cards for years
[20:54] <indomitable> and you break yours in 2 months?
[20:54] <indomitable> lol
[20:54] <indomitable> it's literally impossible for "very low IO" to break sd cards
[20:54] <indomitable> that doesn't make any sense
[20:54] <H__> that was from a pool of 150 rpi
[20:55] <indomitable> ...still
[20:56] <indomitable> that's ridiculous
[20:56] <Khaytsus> I have only experienced that with docker or vm's as a way to replace immutable files with updated ones.
[20:56] <Khaytsus> I'm offhand not sure that's the best fix, romano2k
[20:56] <H__> i use sandisk SD 'class 10' cards myself but am not impressed with their stability at all
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[20:56] <Khaytsus> If I NEEDED to write to a sdcard a lot on a pi, ie: It was its primary function. I think I'd get a "dash cam" type card.
[20:57] <Khaytsus> Or a USB to SATA adaptor and a small hard drive
[20:57] <H__> my hero card is a transcend one, but that's 1 card out of a pool of 1 ... so has no statistical value
[20:57] <Khaytsus> Not expensive
[20:58] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: If you're on a router where you can't port forward, try miniupnpc.
[20:58] <Khaytsus> I blew up an SD card on a pi once that was NOT doing heavy IO. In fact the only IO I really know about was kind of bog standard rsyslog activity.
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[20:58] <Khaytsus> But it blew up the sdcard so hard that even static content was corrupted.
[20:58] <Khaytsus> I had binary in text files, etc
[20:59] <indomitable> I have sandisk extremes
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[20:59] <indomitable> I expect they'll last a while
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[21:00] <Khaytsus> Nah, they are fast, not sturdy
[21:00] <indomitable> I think it'll be fine
[21:00] <Khaytsus> I think they might have environmental improvements, but not writing
[21:01] <indomitable> do you have one?
[21:01] <Khaytsus> and if you're writing to a pi sdcard, expect it _will_ break at some point. Period.
[21:01] <Khaytsus> I've used sandisk extremes in action cameras and digital cameras, yes, primarily because of their write speed.
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[21:01] <Khaytsus> I disable all writing to my pi's.. tmpfs for logs
[21:02] <friendofafriend> How big of a tmpfs do you use, Khaytsus?
[21:02] <Khaytsus> If I need to persist some data, I rsync it.. either to the sdcard, or elsewhere
[21:02] <Khaytsus> friendofafriend: for logs? 2m is fine. Just gotta set up logrotate
[21:03] <Khaytsus> Clean up daily, no archiving...
[21:03] <Khaytsus> Just let it handle the things that stuff likes.. hups, etc..
[21:03] <Khaytsus> Of course if your logs are more noisy... might have to do something else
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[21:04] <friendofafriend> I've had some problems with tmpfs, where the filesystem would fill and the system would crash.
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[21:23] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: How goes the OpenWRT on your Pi?
[21:24] <plasmoduck> I'm trying to share the wifi to ethernet
[21:24] <plasmoduck> I have NO idea how to :/
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[21:25] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend can you help me please?
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[21:26] <friendofafriend> Sure, plasmoduck. You'll want to connect to your existing wifi in client moded.
[21:26] <friendofafriend> mode**
[21:27] <plasmoduck> Yep Ive done that, under Network > Wireless
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[21:28] <friendofafriend> Sweet! Do you see your SSID under "Associated Stations"?
[21:28] <plasmoduck> Yes
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[21:29] <friendofafriend> When you check Network -> Interfaces, do you see an IP address for the "WWAN" interface?
[21:30] <plasmoduck> IPv4:
[21:30] <plasmoduck> Thats correct cause it is the same ip that was assigned when I was using Raspbian.
[21:31] <plasmoduck> SO I know the wifi router assigns that ip to this pi
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[21:32] <friendofafriend> Sweet! So, your LAN interface is numbered the same way, 192.168.1.x.
[21:33] <plasmoduck> Yes
[21:33] <friendofafriend> (This makes a router kind of confused.)
[21:33] <plasmoduck> LAN IPv4:
[21:33] <friendofafriend> So under Network -> Interfaces -> LAN, click the Edit button.
[21:34] <plasmoduck> Done
[21:34] <friendofafriend> You'll see the IPv4 address is set to You'll want to change that to something else. I use here.
[21:34] <friendofafriend> The key is that it has to be on a different network.
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[21:35] <plasmoduck> I changed it to
[21:35] <friendofafriend> That'll work. Once you've done that, you'll click that happy little "Save & Apply" button at the bottom.
[21:35] <plasmoduck> Yep done
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[21:36] <Khaytsus> Oh yay, we get to talk about zram more
[21:36] <friendofafriend> Because you've changed the IP, OpenWRT won't bring you back to the interface after you apply. You may want to disconnect and reconnect your network cable to the Pi. You'll get a new IP address, like or something like that.
[21:37] <friendofafriend> And now, you visit to use the router.
[21:37] <friendofafriend> Khaytsus: zram is where you store zbits.
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[21:38] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend: sorry
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[21:39] <plasmoduck> I got kicked off the wifi after I Saved and restarted
[21:39] <plasmoduck> SO I jumped on my laptop
[21:39] <friendofafriend> Heh, no problems.
[21:39] <Khaytsus> plasmoduck: did you break the screen?
[21:40] <friendofafriend> I was working for Vonage technical support, when the call ran long we'd tell 'em to reset their wireless router.
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[21:40] <Khaytsus> savage
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[21:41] <plasmoduck> haha
[21:41] <friendofafriend> Just terrible people, we were. Do you have a 192.168.2.x network address now?
[21:42] <friendofafriend> Hitting that router by
[21:42] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend: I can't access the web interface now after changing the ip and resetting
[21:42] <friendofafriend> Well, you'll want to check that your device actually has an address on that network.
[21:43] <friendofafriend> And from there, you could try pinging to see if it's up.
[21:43] <plasmoduck> Do I need to set my ip manually now on my desktop?
[21:43] <hodapp> my favorite was when I called campus IT because my intarwebz weren't working, and they asked if I was on Windows or MacOS, and before I had finished saying the word "Linux" they had transferred me up the chain.
[21:43] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: Nope, the address change will make OpenWRT's DHCP server start issuing IP addresses from the new range.
[21:43] <Khaytsus> these days it's not so bad
[21:43] <Khaytsus> Back in the day... never say Linux
[21:43] <Khaytsus> ISP down? NEVER ADMIT IT WAS LINUX
[21:43] <hodapp> this was circa 2005
[21:44] <Khaytsus> "can you reboot your computer?" "oh, o9kay" watch clock for 2 minutes. okay done
[21:44] <hodapp> I also happened to know that you could make a computer bypass Cisco CleanAccess by booting a Linux live CD and browsing, then restarting into Windows
[21:44] <hodapp> for some reason...
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[21:46] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend: I dont think the ip change worked, I noticed it said some error and something about rolling back when I changed it to
[21:46] <plasmoduck> Let me reboot it and start again
[21:46] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: OK, no big deal. There's more than one way to skin it.
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[21:46] <plasmoduck> Ok im in
[21:46] <friendofafriend> It'd already be working if the LAN address wasn't the same as the WAN address. ;P
[21:47] <plasmoduck> Shall I try to change the LAN ip again to
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[21:47] <friendofafriend> That's sure the way it's supposed to work! If you catch some error, maybe a ninja-fast printscreen?
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[21:48] <plasmoduck> Damn, Failed to confirm apply within 30s, waiting for rollback...
[21:48] <plasmoduck> Why is it doing that?
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[21:49] <friendofafriend> Oh, fiddlesticks. That's sort of a new thing, and not very well thought out.
[21:49] <plasmoduck> All I did was change the IP in LAN from to
[21:50] <friendofafriend> Did you get the option to "Apply Unchecked"?
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[21:51] <plasmoduck> Save & Apply / Save / Restart
[21:51] <plasmoduck> I hit Save & Apply. You want me to just hit Save?
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[21:51] <friendofafriend> You could do that, and reboot from the menu.
[21:51] <yko> hello guys
[21:51] <friendofafriend> Howdy, yko.
[21:53] <yko> I have a question please, I made a simple sh script that do some echos to a simple output file in same directory.
[21:53] <yko> I try to execute it every 2 minutes by using crontab
[21:53] <yko> so I typed crontab -e
[21:54] <yko> then add at the end of the file, */2 * * * * /home/pi/dir/myscript.sh
[21:54] <yko> script running well, chmod +x but no log from crontab
[21:54] <yko> any advices ?
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[21:54] <yko> using raspbian*
[21:55] <larsks> yko: redirect output from your script to a file: */2 * * * * /home/pi/dir/myscript.sh > /home/pi/script.log 2>&1
[21:55] <larsks> then check the log file
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[21:57] <plasmoduck> wtf is with this thing! why the hell can't I change a simple lan ip :/
[21:57] <plasmoduck> ITs not letting me change it
[21:57] <friendofafriend> So, here's sort a nutty way to do it, plasmoduck.
[21:58] <friendofafriend> You make the changes, while and then in 30 seconds, you renew your IP and hit the new web interface.
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[21:58] <friendofafriend> yko: You should really be seeing the log of your command running in /var/log/syslog .
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[21:59] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend: I don't quite understand?
[21:59] <plasmoduck> change the ip and then?
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[22:00] <larsks> friendofafriend: should the log show up their by default? I didn't think crond would log stdout/stderr to syslog by default.
[22:00] <larsks> *there ouch wow
[22:00] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: Change the IP, remove the network cable from the LAN port and reconnect it. Your system should get a 192.168.2.x address, you should be able to hit the web interface. That'll stop the countdown.
[22:00] <stiv> yko, 1) there is a difference between the output of your script and the log of cron. 2) your script is probably not writing to where you think it is, unless you specified the complete path
[22:01] <plasmoduck> Remove the cable from the pi or pc?
[22:01] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: You can also ssh into the router, edit /etc/config/network, find under config interfance 'lan' change it to, save, reboot.
[22:01] <plasmoduck> change it and then remobe the cable before hitting apply and save? Or hit apply and save then pull the cable
[22:02] <yko> OK guys thanks for help, the output in cron helped me to see
[22:02] <friendofafriend> Hit apply, remove the network cable from whatever computer you're using, plug it back in. Your system should get a new IP.
[22:02] <friendofafriend> yko: Always welcome.
[22:02] <yko> so my cron was running fine, my log was in my /home/pi/dir/script
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[22:03] <yko> taht log worked when lauching the script
[22:03] <yko> by cron i don't know why it logged in /home/pi/log
[22:03] <plasmoduck> I would ssh but I can't use vim
[22:03] <plasmoduck> I only know nano
[22:03] <yko> not the same directory as the script as I expected
[22:03] <yko> for info my script is jsut >> log
[22:03] <MikeRL> Anyone else annoyed how Chromium based browsers on Linux don't have autoscroll? I had to install an extension to get this basic feature.
[22:05] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: Try that cable juggling trick. Another way is you could just release/renew your IP on your computer, but unplugging and replugging the cable is automatic way.
[22:06] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend: Im not sure when to pull the cable, like I can change the ip in the web interface, but I need to save & apply it, but as soon as I hit that it starts counting down and errors out. When do you want me to remove the cable?
[22:06] <friendofafriend> larsks: I'm getting logs of my user's cron jobs in /var/log/syslog.
[22:07] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: Right after you hit Save and Apply, you've got 30s.
[22:07] <larsks> Huh, okay.
[22:07] <friendofafriend> Just tried it, I don't really use crontab but: Feb 11 15:58:01 mon0 CRON[17093]: (pi) CMD (/home/pi/test.sh)
[22:07] <plasmoduck> Well I done that, I changed it, hit save and apply and as it was counting, I pulled the cable from the pi, then plugged it back in then rebooted it and the ip was still the same
[22:08] <larsks> friendofafriend: ...but that's not stdout from test.sh; that's just a record of the command executing.
[22:08] <friendofafriend> larsks: Right, but he was just looking for "a log from cron", I do believe.
[22:09] <larsks> Sure, no worries. I was just surprised when I said I didn't think stdout/stderr would show up there and you said it was. All sorted out now.
[22:10] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend: okay FINALLY I got it changed :)
[22:10] <plasmoduck> Now what?
[22:10] <friendofafriend> Wowzers, neat-o!
[22:11] <friendofafriend> Now, with your new 192.168.2.x address, you should try pinging
[22:11] <plasmoduck> Oh, I think its actually working
[22:11] <friendofafriend> Or try visiting a site on the Internet.
[22:11] <plasmoduck> I think I have net already :)
[22:11] <plasmoduck> wow
[22:11] <friendofafriend> Yep, good chance of that.
[22:11] <plasmoduck> that was easy, kinda
[22:11] <yko> any idea why my log was written in home/pi instead of /home/pi/dir/ (as it does when i run the script manually ?)
[22:11] <yko> just using >> in my script
[22:11] <plasmoduck> Just one more thing, can I run pi-hole on that same pi?
[22:12] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: It works just like a normal router, pretty much.
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[22:12] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: There's not PiHole, but there's adblock software. System -> Software, click the "Update Lists" button.
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[22:12] <plasmoduck> Will this show up as just 1 ip connected to the wifi router even if I have multiple computers connected to my switch? OR will they all show up?
[22:13] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: Just one IP address will appear.
[22:13] <plasmoduck> Thats awesome
[22:13] <friendofafriend> The software you're looking for is "luci-app-adblock".
[22:14] <friendofafriend> It will make a new menu entry for Ad-blocking, and you can select what lists to use from there. Same as PiHole.
[22:14] <plasmoduck> Because the owner has a habit of blocking new IP addresses on the router unless he knows what they are and Im sick of going to tell him my ip everytime I want to connect a new device
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[22:14] <friendofafriend> Yeah, no more of that.
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[22:14] <plasmoduck> So now I can just go nuts and plug whatever into my switch and he wont even know? :)\
[22:14] <friendofafriend> Yep.
[22:15] <friendofafriend> You can probably pop holes in his router by uPnP also. ;)
[22:15] <plasmoduck> Thank you so much for your help
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[22:15] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome, plasmoduck. Anytime.
[22:15] <plasmoduck> what do you mean pop holes in his router by uPnP?
[22:16] <d0rm0us3> plasmoduck: Congratulations... soon you'll be joining the ranks of the un-employed.
[22:16] <plasmoduck> I am unemployed already :(
[22:17] <friendofafriend> d0rm0us3: Where are you going with that?
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[22:17] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: Check out the package "miniupnpc".
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[22:17] <d0rm0us3> 'the owner' is trying to be a good netizen, and plasmoduck is gonna be punching holes in that network.
[22:18] * d0rm0us3 shakes his head
[22:18] <friendofafriend> You're assuming 'the owner' is 'the employer'? That's very capitalist-centric thinking.
[22:18] <plasmoduck> Is there some way to setup my vpn on there too so its network wide?
[22:19] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: Yep, check out luci-app-openvpn.
[22:19] <d0rm0us3> erm... owner by definition is capitalist
[22:19] <friendofafriend> d0rm0us3: erm, jumping to unemployment is kind of a leap.
[22:20] <d0rm0us3> Rephrase...
[22:20] <d0rm0us3> plasmoduck, you'll likely not be welcome on that net in the future.
[22:20] * DanielTheFox kinda relies on capitalism existing
[22:21] <friendofafriend> It's not his company's router, there was never a reason to believe it was, and that's weird to welcome him to the ranks of the unemployed.
[22:21] <plasmoduck> d0rm0us3: it's fine :)
[22:22] <plasmoduck> friendofafriend: wow, this software is so awesome, it does so many cool things with one package :)
[22:22] <friendofafriend> It's very light, because it's software meant to run on wireless routers like you buy from the store.
[22:23] <friendofafriend> They don't have much storage, CPU, or memory, so all the software, operating system and all, has to fit in 4-8MB.
[22:24] <plasmoduck> wow
[22:24] <DanielTheFox> and so, people used to write fancy programs for a C64 (with 64KB RAM), then for a DOS machine (with varying specs, but they started with less than 640 KB RAM and with an 8088)
[22:24] <DanielTheFox> so, nothing surprising
[22:24] <plasmoduck> So it's best just to use this pi as a dedicated openwrt router and not for anything else?
[22:24] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: Demoscene is still pretty active.
[22:25] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend, then s/used to/still
[22:25] <DanielTheFox> :D
[22:25] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: It's smart to do as little on the router as you can.
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[22:26] <friendofafriend> plasmoduck: If you need that Pi to do something else, back up its SD card first and you can just recopy the image over when you're done. ;)
[22:26] <friendofafriend> Under System -> Backup/Flash Firmware, under Backup, you can click the "Generate Archive" button.
[22:27] <friendofafriend> That'll save your configuration all into one file, and you can reupload it if something breaks.
[22:27] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: NVIDIA still does a lot of hiring out of the demoscene.
[22:28] <DanielTheFox> except that won't run on my available hardware :D
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