#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2019-02-12

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[2:55] <RcHaCk> hey
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[3:03] <magic_ninja> RcHaCk, hello
[3:03] <RcHaCk> hey magic_ninja
[3:04] <magic_ninja> whats cracking?
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[3:04] <RcHaCk> not much you
[3:04] <RcHaCk> you know anything about rfid ?
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[3:05] <magic_ninja> not at all
[3:05] <magic_ninja> well, not in terms of the Pi
[3:05] <magic_ninja> you have the driver and data sheet for your device?
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[3:06] <RcHaCk> yes the device is already hooked up
[3:06] <magic_ninja> what are you hung up on?
[3:06] <RcHaCk> it sorta works but the python files to read/write/dump doesnt seem to be working correctly
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[3:07] <RcHaCk> like it sorta works but throws a bunch of auth errors
[3:07] <magic_ninja> does the manufacturer of the device have forums?
[3:07] <RcHaCk> not that i know of
[3:08] <RcHaCk> its a MFRC522
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[3:08] <magic_ninja> You are going to have to rig up a way to test each piece separately.
[3:08] <magic_ninja> as general advice for a problem like that.
[3:09] <RcHaCk> ?
[3:09] <magic_ninja> someone may chime in and help, though.
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[3:09] <magic_ninja> you need to write some code that just does a read, or does a write, then start using any errors you get as a starting point to debug.
[3:10] <magic_ninja> try to find out why one specific action is or isn't working, and go from there.
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[3:10] <magic_ninja> perhaps run it and paste the output too
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[8:28] <Wurst> Anyone? please? I'm trying to shift a 3.3v PWM signal to 5v for some RGB LED Strips
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[8:30] <friendofafriend> Wurst: Got a level shifter?
[8:30] <Wurst> @friendofafriend, yes.. mentioned in my message above? did it not post in chat? :(
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[8:31] <friendofafriend> Says you're trying to shift a signal from 3.3V to 5V, level shifter it is.
[8:32] <immibis> you can make a level shifter, it's only a couple of parts
[8:32] <Wurst> I have 4 Channels Logic Level Converter Bi-Directional 3.3V-5V Shifter Module? I bought 10 of these things; and they are not working correctly. I have 5.5v going to the HV pin, 3.3v going to the LV pin, and GND connected to ground. However ALL the Pins are reading voltage; HV1,HV2,HV3,HV4 all read 4.98v, and LV1,LV2,LV3,LV4 all read 2.9v -- even though the only thing connected is the LV,HV & GRD pins.
[8:32] <immibis> Wurst: that's expected.
[8:33] <immibis> Wurst: the way those work is that both sides are pulled up through resistors, and then pulling either side down to ground also pulls the other side down
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[8:34] <Wurst> But I guess I'm just a bit confused; I thought that (example) LV1 should only read 3.3v if there is 5v Supplied on the HV2 pin
[8:34] <immibis> they work in reverse
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[8:34] <immibis> LV1 should only read 0v if there is 0v supplied on the HV1 pin
[8:34] <immibis> if you don't supply anything, it defaults to on
[8:35] <immibis> Wurst: also what kind of strip?
[8:35] <Wurst> Right but I have 5V going to the HV pin; and ALL Pins on the "low" side are reading low..
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[8:35] <immibis> Wurst: they should read whatever the low side voltage is.
[8:35] <Wurst> Lv1 Lv2, lv3, etc all read 2.98v.. with just the 1 HV pin
[8:36] <immibis> oh okay. well connect the LV pin and they should read LV voltag
[8:36] <immibis> e
[8:36] <immibis> also, what kind of LED strip?
[8:36] <Wurst> WS2812B
[8:36] <immibis> good, this will work for that :P
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[8:36] <immibis> just checking
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[8:38] <Wurst> Unfortunate its not.. So I connected 5v from the Pi 5v pin to the HV Pin on the shifter, then the 3.3v pin to the LV pin on the shifter..
[8:38] <Wurst> then I have the PWM pin runing to LV1
[8:38] <Wurst> but when I try to send data to the LV1 pin
[8:38] <Wurst> I only get a CONSTANT 4.98v on the HV2 pin
[8:39] <Wurst> and even with 0v supplied to the LV1 I still get a constant 4.98v supplied to the HV1 pin
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[8:39] <Wurst> ***I only get a CONSTANT 4.98v on the HV1 pin
[8:40] <immibis> that is not how it's suppsoed to work then. you should get 0v on the HV1 pin
[8:40] <immibis> did you double check that LV1 is actually 0V?
[8:41] <Wurst> I ordered 10 of them, soldered 4 to the header pins.. and all 4 are doing the same thing..
[8:41] <Wurst> Yes, I even disconnected the LV1 Lead completely
[8:41] <immibis> it's not veryy likely that all 4 are broken
[8:42] <immibis> if you disconnect LV1 then you should get a constant 4.98V on HV1 because that is how they work. you have to actually supply 0v to get 0v or else you don't.
[8:42] <immibis> if LV1 is specifically grounded, then HV1 should also be near 0V.
[8:42] <Wurst> OH so the Pin has to be Grounded ??
[8:42] <immibis> actually there's something to test. just connect lv1 to ground and see what happens to hv1
[8:42] <Wurst> let me test... 1 sec
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[8:45] <immibis> outputting 0 volts is not the same as disconnecting the pin... if you output 0 volts, current will flow into the pi from the converter
[8:45] <immibis> (shifter, whatever)
[8:45] <Wurst> @immibis, if I ground LV1, I'm getting 2.98v on HV1
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[8:46] <immibis> that's not expected
[8:46] <Wurst> this is a bit confusing because if I connect the PWM pin to LV1, which does a high/low pulse (3.3-0v) then I get a Constant 4.9ish v on HV1
[8:47] <immibis> this is the schematic for those shifters: https://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/BreakoutBoards/Logic_Level_Bidirectional.pdf . if you ground LV1 then current should flow through the mosfet, from the HV to LV side, because the gate is higher than the source
[8:47] <Wurst> Could it be because its pulsing to fast for the shifter to detect the 0v (GND) ?
[8:47] <immibis> i'm not sure why you would get 2.98V on HV1
[8:49] <Wurst> @immibis, i'm gonna test one of the other 4 I soldered, to make sure this one wasn't defective or damaged while soldering (I dont see any crossed solder joint, but the pin hole in these things are large, so solder could have crossed under the headers
[8:50] <immibis> and just to triple check i understand right, you have LV -> 3.3V, HV -> 5V, GND -> GND, and LV1 -> GND, and HV1 -> multimeter
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[8:55] <Wurst> @immibis, that is correct.
[8:56] <Wurst> Okay; so perhaps the first one tested is defective.. Tested another one, and with 0v (Jumper run to GND) on the LV1 pin, its now reading 0v on the HV1 side
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[8:57] <Wurst> and apparently the shifter is to not able to read pulses from the PWM if they are to quick between low to high.
[8:57] <Wurst> 'cause with the LV1 connected to PWM it just reads 4.9v constant
[8:58] <immibis> it could be that your multimeter can't read them fast enough, too
[8:58] <immibis> i've used one of these to control a ws2812b strip, it works fine
[8:59] <Wurst> its not just the multimeter; I have the strip connected to the HV1 side on the data pin for the strip; and its not working
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[9:01] <Wurst> I don't have the sparkfun ones though; just some inexpensive ones from Amazon
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[9:02] <Wurst> kinda just piecing together the project little by little from paycheck to paycheck..
[9:05] <Wurst> trying to get them to alternate between teal & pink; so can put them on the lead vehicle in the Breast/Ovarian Caner walk we are having in a few weeks
[9:05] <Wurst> Cancer*
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[9:07] <immibis> they're the same no matter where you get them
[9:07] <Wurst> just assumed they being a cheaper they might have skimped on some parts to lower the price
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[9:09] <Wurst> Should the GND from the LED strip go to the shifter or the pi?
[9:09] <Wurst> I have it going to the Pi..
[9:10] <Wurst> well technially its on the same rail on the breadboard as the LV GND side.
[9:10] <Wurst> but the GND rail on the breadboard goes to the GND pin on the Pi
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[9:14] <immibis> Wurst: they should all be connected, the shifter, the pi and the strip
[9:14] <immibis> actually, I don't think GND is even connected on the shifter. just the two GND pins are connected to each other
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[9:16] <Wurst> So connecting the LV side GND pin to the GND rail, then connecting the GND of the Strip to the HV side GND pin essentially just connects it to the same GND rail on the bread board then?
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[9:19] <immibis> yup
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[9:22] <Wurst> Okay; well maybe the LED strip I got is bad; I ordered 2. but one was shipped from Canada (amazons weird shipping methods) so its not gonna get here til tomorrow. So I'll try again with the new strip when it gets here.. I hope thats all it is, cause Id really like to get this work for the Cancer walk
[9:23] <immibis> are you sure you're sending a valid data signal?
[9:23] <immibis> it's not just PWM, there is a special format and to send it from the pi you'll need a library designed to do so (you can't do it yourself)
[9:26] <Wurst> Yeah I have the adafruit library
[9:26] <Wurst> for the "NeoPixels"
[9:26] <Wurst> thats what the tutorial I was following showed to use.
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[9:29] <Wurst> do you know if its possible to talk a on/off signal and convert it into a constant on signal? So if I have an pin set to input, thats getting a high/low signal (3.3v|0v|3.3v|0v|etc) then the pin will read high until the pattern stops?
[9:29] <Wurst> would that just be a simple timer? or perhaps a read delay in some code?
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[9:44] <Ad0> has anyone tried gumstix geppetto ?
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[9:49] <hungrywolf> can I install an arm processor application like omx player on fedora?
[9:49] <hungrywolf> I mean fedora desktop 29\
[9:54] <Wurst> @hungrywolf isn't omxplayer a cmdline program? not a desktop one ?
[9:57] <plasmoduck> Hey guys
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[9:57] <Wurst> you'll have to probably compile from source though.. unless you can find a precompiled version; but will probably take some effort to get it to work.
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[9:58] <plasmoduck> So I have OpenWRT on one Pi snf Pi-hole on another Pi the moment, all computers connected to my switch are getting their DNS from the OpenWRT Pi, but I'd like them to automagically get their DNS from the Pi-hole so I don't have to manually set it. How can I accomplish such a task?
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[11:28] <plasmoduck> Something weird is happening though, in the Pihole Dashboard listen of Top Clients, It is showing some 192.168.1.* clients connected. but my LAN network is 192.168.2.* how is this happening?
[11:28] <plasmoduck> My setup is Wifi to Pi OpenWRT (192.168.1.*) then sharing the internet to LAN (192.168.2.*) and I have another Pi running Pihole connected via my switch using the same IP range 192.168.2.*, I manually put the Pi address into my network settings on my iMac ( so how the hell are there clients 192.168.1.* using it?
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[11:36] <plasmoduck> Actually, it looks like they were just my old IPs from before I changed my address range. Everything looks fine after flushing the logs.
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[12:03] <Snert> I hand out dns server addys to the clients using dhcpd.
[12:03] <Snert> so wherever your dhcp service comes from - change it there.
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[12:28] <janco> hey; someone got ntp working on RO filesystem?
[12:28] <janco> I want to get openntpd to work
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[12:32] <faLUCE> hello. How many h264 streams can raspberry PI 3b+ support at 640x480@25fps ?
[12:32] <faLUCE> (encoding)
[12:33] <RoyK> janco: what errors are you getting? some daemons require a working area - tmpfs should do for that
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[13:00] <janco> RoyK: yes I tried that without luck :(
[13:00] <janco> because the files aren't copied over
[13:00] <janco> and then it's missing files
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[13:22] <encryptedlvm> Hi! I am trying to install pi-hole on rpi. Everything is working fine, except when I change /var/log to tmpfs in fstab. Do you have any idea why is that? When I do that, I can't get to the web interface of the pi-hole.
[13:22] <encryptedlvm> tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,size=100m 0 0
[13:23] <encryptedlvm> that is the line in fstab.
[13:25] <Ad0> pi compute module is awesome
[13:25] <DanielTheFox> encryptedlvm: that's to put/force the /var/log partition to RAM? (so it becomes temporary storage, it'll be lost upon reboot but won't drain valuable flash cycles in your SD card)
[13:26] <DanielTheFox> not all people read logs
[13:26] <encryptedlvm> That is what i'm trying to do.
[13:26] <DanielTheFox> I do
[13:26] <encryptedlvm> I don't need logs, I just need to safe sd card.
[13:26] <RoyK> encryptedlvm: the SD card can usually handle normal logging for ome years
[13:26] <indomitable> what is pi hole
[13:26] <indomitable> sounds disturbing
[13:27] <RoyK> google it
[13:27] <encryptedlvm> pi-hole is adblocker.
[13:27] <indomitable> huh that's neat
[13:27] <indomitable> that's very neat
[13:28] <DanielTheFox> Ad0: how so? (I still need to get new RPi-s and, well, set them up)
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[13:28] <blackswan> hi. i want to install gale force on my google wifi, but i'm having trouble figuring out what i need to get the thumb drive connected while powering the device. can anybody help?
[13:29] <DanielTheFox> I'd like adblockers if some of the sites weren't actually complaining about my usage of adblockers :)
[13:29] <blackswan> the google wifi needs usb-c with pd, and don't understand what chicanery needs to be between its usb c port and a plain old usb thumb drive to get it power and see the drive on the bus at the same time.
[13:29] <Ad0> DanielTheFox, cheaper than getting a full pi and you get eMMC and you can design a whole board yourself
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[13:29] * RoyK only has three pi's - one for home assistant and two with octoprint - and one spare - and - well - a couple of orange pi's for fun and…
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[13:29] <blackswan> i have a raspberry pi of some sort, i forget what model, and i'll buy another if i can make it do what i need
[13:30] <DanielTheFox> Ad0: fair enough, but that's also expensive here (the issue then becomes shipping)
[13:30] <Ad0> yes
[13:30] <Ad0> where do you live?
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[13:31] <DanielTheFox> horrible place with negative maker scene and people attempting to reverse technological efforts and advances in order to preserve whatever native people and traditions
[13:32] <RoyK> DanielTheFox: in which country is that? I guess there are things like that all over the globe, though…
[13:32] <DanielTheFox> (I said negative because I said before it was zero, but now that I look at it more, it looks worse than zero, thus, negative)
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[13:33] <DanielTheFox> RoyK: south Mexico, very close to Guatemala (but not exactly where the immigrants are going through)
[13:33] <Snert> does that mean no cell service?
[13:33] <RoyK> DanielTheFox: ok - I'm in .no
[13:34] <DanielTheFox> Snert: of course (but that's secondarily due to technical costs, this zone has lots of mountains screwing up with signals anyway)
[13:35] <DanielTheFox> the "reverse technological efforts and advances" part wouldn't be necessary if they didn't thought tech can harm them
[13:36] <DanielTheFox> but that's a classic level of ignorance, the same that caused people to fear computers after seeing Terminator movies
[13:36] <Snert> lol I don't trust my cell fone either :)
[13:37] <DanielTheFox> once you understand them, it turns out that they're way simpler
[13:37] <Snert> ... and that vizio tv tattles way too much.
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[13:38] <Snert> No. Once you understand them it turns out that the truth is much more complex and is every bit the threat you were warned about :)
[13:38] <DanielTheFox> and that, it even turns out that the same digital media and hardware that can be used for playing kill/war games that can upset grannies IRL, can be used for, uhh, causing actual war, or just as a DVD player
[13:39] <DanielTheFox> computer stuff has not the fault
[13:39] <DanielTheFox> whatever people uses that stuff for, that's the actual problem
[13:40] <Snert> unfortunately anytime there's a huge pile of data someone wants to steal it.
[13:40] <Snert> or sell it.
[13:40] <DanielTheFox> (and it applies to guns, chemistry and advanced semi-ethic medical research)
[13:40] <indomitable> Snert, delicious, tasty data
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[13:40] <Snert> no doubt technology is inherently evil.
[13:41] <DanielTheFox> like
[13:41] <DanielTheFox> I read once the technical details and how to program an Atari 2600
[13:42] <DanielTheFox> (that after already having how to pedal and ride in a C64 without crashing with a lamp pole)
[13:42] <Snert> they recently found new runes in a tomb in egypt too.
[13:43] <DanielTheFox> and it was, as expected, surprising how such a cute and small (and incredibly simple) hardware piece with barely more than logic chips and off-the-shelf hardware could have been upsetting mothers and grannies with all kinds of ideas such as "brainwashers" and "inciting people to kill"
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[13:44] <DanielTheFox> nevertheless, the fault is always on the human side :)
[13:45] <Plasmoduck> What does the fox say?
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[13:46] <DanielTheFox> Plasmoduck: congratulations, you're the 1 MILLIONTH people to comment/complain about my nickname. You won an Apple.
[13:46] * DanielTheFox hands Plasmoduck a regular apple
[13:46] <DanielTheFox> enjoy yourself!
[13:46] <Plasmoduck> Is it an Apple iPad?
[13:47] <DanielTheFox> no idea, but it's expected to be eaten
[13:47] <DanielTheFox> IMO, it tastes good
[13:47] <Plasmoduck> I need a new Apple iMac
[13:48] <Plasmoduck> My 2012 27" iMac is starting to show it's age, but is still my daily driver.
[13:48] <DanielTheFox> huh
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[13:48] <DanielTheFox> tell that to me
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[13:48] <DanielTheFox> using a 2008 netbook
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[13:48] <DanielTheFox> and a 2007 desktop computer
[13:48] <Plasmoduck> argh
[13:48] <DanielTheFox> both as main computers
[13:48] <DanielTheFox> :>
[13:49] <Plasmoduck> Yes but this is macOS, every iteration gets slower and slower on old Macs, where as Linux is pretty good still on older hardware. (assuming you are using Linux?)
[13:49] <DanielTheFox> yes
[13:50] <DanielTheFox> (and I sometimes use old Windows, just making sure to unplug the Ethernet cord before booting that)
[13:50] <DanielTheFox> (you know, for old games)
[13:50] <Plasmoduck> I did have the latest Mojave on here, but it was a little sluggish, so I downgraded to High Sierra. The machine originally shipped with Mountain Lion.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> fox ... duck ... all we need now is a pile of corn and a river to cross...
[13:51] * gordonDrogon waves.
[13:51] <Plasmoduck> lol
[13:51] * DanielTheFox stops counting and gives everyone around an apple
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> apple pie?
[13:51] <DanielTheFox> no
[13:51] <DanielTheFox> (warm apple is horrible)
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> I can make an apple Pi inside my raspberry pi oven.
[13:52] <DanielTheFox> if my stomach actually liked warm fruits...
[13:53] <DanielTheFox> it doesn't apply with lemon/lime (I refer to the round green one, the name appears to vary from region to region), I prefer a lemon pie, or even better, a cheese pie
[13:53] <DanielTheFox> right off the oven
[13:53] <DanielTheFox> mmmmh :)
[13:54] <Plasmoduck> I'm quite excited to see where ReactOS goes once it's matured.
[13:54] <DanielTheFox> in a hard disk drive, that's for sure
[13:54] <DanielTheFox> :P
[13:54] <Plasmoduck> I would love to be able to run that instead of Windows 10 and play all my Steam games.
[13:54] <DanielTheFox> I'm still expecting some DX9 support
[13:55] <DanielTheFox> and drivers for my on-board video card (it's so simple it doesn't deserve being called gfx card)
[13:55] <Plasmoduck> Nothin like a good old fashioned cream pie in a hot girl!
[13:55] <Plasmoduck> Best pie there is ;)
[13:56] <DanielTheFox> is this SFW at all?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> supposedly, but people failr to read the rules.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> *fail.
[13:56] <Plasmoduck> I thought we talking bout pies?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> we are. just don't go there again.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz
[13:57] <Plasmoduck> My bad
[13:57] <DanielTheFox> oh, right
[13:57] <DanielTheFox> we deviated too much
[13:57] <Plasmoduck> People shouldn't be IRCing from work anyhow. They should be "working".
[13:58] <indomitable> DanielTheFox, if you get caught here at work you will be fired
[13:58] <Plasmoduck> It's just as bad as Facebooking and unproductive.
[13:58] <indomitable> not because you're here but because you got caught
[13:58] <indomitable> :P
[13:58] <indomitable> and no it isn't
[13:58] <indomitable> I don't use irc at work myself, but meh
[13:59] <DanielTheFox> some people still live with their parents, to the same cautions as work apply (I haven't seen parents that think watching NSFW stuff is good)
[13:59] <DanielTheFox> ...except you're at home
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> sometimes it's good to be your own boss.
[13:59] <Plasmoduck> True
[13:59] <indomitable> gordonDrogon, what do you do for a living
[14:00] <DanielTheFox> do as much as you can as long as it's not NSFW
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[14:00] <DanielTheFox> instead of doing weird stuff, I do stuff about computers, talk about computers and do simple but useful stuff to my Raspberry Pi
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> indomitable, breathe.
[14:00] <indomitable> gordonDrogon, I'll have you know I identify as an anaerobic organism
[14:01] <DanielTheFox> indomitable: do aerobics then
[14:01] <indomitable> gordonDrogon, I can't, I am anaerobic
[14:01] <indomitable> DanielTheFox, I can't, I am anaerobic
[14:02] <DanielTheFox> if you want to, make a Yoga-teacher/leader robot using a Pi
[14:02] <DanielTheFox> make it look how you want to
[14:02] <indomitable> DanielTheFox, No. I am anaerobic.
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> good for you. I breathe for a living.
[14:02] <indomitable> gordonDrogon, weird job description
[14:02] <DanielTheFox> some people like robot-like, some like realist :>
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[14:02] <DanielTheFox> indomitable: he means he breathes for living
[14:03] <DanielTheFox> if he stops breathing, he dies
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[14:03] <indomitable> DanielTheFox, untrue, we can bring him back with the ark of the covenant
[14:03] <indomitable> it'll be fine
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> also if I stop eating & drinking, but hey, can't have it all
[14:03] <DanielTheFox> and stop eating is the slowest of them
[14:03] <DanielTheFox> you can survive surprisingly long amounts of time without eating
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[14:04] <DanielTheFox> just that, when you recover, be careful, your stomach sometimes dislike doing non-standard stuff with the meal time
[14:04] <DanielTheFox> *dislikes
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> I am a weight loss consultant (in addition to other stuff)
[14:06] <DanielTheFox> any of you have been forced to march/do military-like stuff in the transition between teenager and adulthood?
[14:06] <DanielTheFox> or this is the only country that does this stuff?
[14:06] <indomitable> DanielTheFox, where do you even live
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> no. fortunately we gave that up in the 1960's.
[14:07] <DanielTheFox> hah
[14:07] <DanielTheFox> that explains
[14:07] <Snert> sounds like israel.
[14:07] <DanielTheFox> Mexico appears to be fairly obsolete in every aspect then
[14:07] <DanielTheFox> Snert: but you don't handle guns at all
[14:07] <Snert> no fake 2x4 carved rifles?
[14:07] <DanielTheFox> you just do some patriotic march... and get driven by soldiers for a short while, like, some months?
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> a lot of counties still have a form of national service.
[14:08] <DanielTheFox> yes
[14:08] <DanielTheFox> and cleaning garbage off the highway
[14:08] <indomitable> DanielTheFox, Israel has like years of military service, that is very unusual :p
[14:08] <DanielTheFox> huh
[14:09] <DanielTheFox> as if people weren't able to do service on their own
[14:09] <DanielTheFox> like paying taxes and making their place better
[14:09] <RoyK> well, Israel is unusual and the only living apartheid regime in the world still supported by most of the west
[14:09] <indomitable> somebody has to do the fighting
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[14:09] <indomitable> RoyK, meh, give it another 30 years and people will forget the holocaust and they'll fight israel again
[14:09] <indomitable> lol
[14:10] <RoyK> not likely
[14:10] <DanielTheFox> at least I'll just march and clean garbage off the highway
[14:10] <indomitable> all the living witnesses are dead or dying
[14:10] <indomitable> fake news propagates easily
[14:10] <indomitable> :p
[14:10] <DanielTheFox> people unable to do so do worse stuff
[14:10] <DanielTheFox> like, cleaning toilets and vomited matresses
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> so... anyone doing any Raspberry Pi stuff?
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[14:11] <indomitable> gordonDrogon, no
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[14:18] <Plasmoduck> Ghost in the shell movie is on Netflix now :)
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> just did a quick google - sounds like another "Robocop" type of thing..
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[14:22] <Plasmoduck> You've never seen/heard of Ghost in the shell?
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> not until now.
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[14:22] <Khaytsus> Plasmoduck: Not everyone lives in their moms basement
[14:23] <Plasmoduck> Omg, it's an epic Japanese anime. There are a few movies, but there was a big Hollywood style movie made a year ago. Highly recommended.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(2017_film) <-- this ?
[14:23] <Plasmoduck> This is the Yup
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[14:23] <Plasmoduck> Very good movie
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> never got into anime stuff.
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[14:24] <Plasmoduck> Me either, but I love good syfy movies
[14:24] * DanielTheFox isn't a specific anime fan, just a casual trash watcher :>
[14:25] <Plasmoduck> If you like stuff like Blade Runner, The Matrix, Mr. Robot etc you will like Ghost in the shell.
[14:26] <DanielTheFox> no, yes, no
[14:26] <Plasmoduck> In the future people's brains get transplanted into "shells" which can be hacked.
[14:26] <DanielTheFox> that sounds like Metal Gear Rising
[14:26] <Plasmoduck> Cybernetic bodies
[14:26] <DanielTheFox> yes
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> sounds like we're run out of good film ideas )-:
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[14:27] <DanielTheFox> now film trash about nativees and poor people and slowly making it through life
[14:27] <Plasmoduck> Scarlett Johansson is fine in this movie
[14:27] <DanielTheFox> and get prices everywhere because no one before had that goddamn idea
[14:28] <DanielTheFox> *prizes
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[14:58] <target_> hey everyone
[14:58] <DanielTheFox> hey
[14:58] <target_> can a raspberry pi 3b+ work properly while connected to a computers USB port for power supply?
[14:59] <DanielTheFox> depends on your Pi's power requiremens
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[14:59] <akemacer> Hey
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[14:59] <target_> I connected mine and it seems to be working fine tho I'm wondering if there's anything that might not work properly because of the possible low current
[14:59] <akemacer> What is the maximum SD card size for raspberry pi 3b+?
[14:59] <DanielTheFox> if you do some software-side trickery for reducing power consumption and don't connect heavy stuff to Pi's USB ports, then it'll run alright
[14:59] <target_> I think the power requirements for the 3b+ are 2.5-3A and 5V
[15:00] <target_> there's no way an USB port can supply that much power I think
[15:00] <DanielTheFox> akemacer: according to the fundation, they haven't been able to find a "limit", you can put as large as you can and it'll be alright
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> target_, check the logs for power low messages, or check the screen output for a big yellow lightning bolt symbol.
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[15:00] <DanielTheFox> target_: well, 2.5A is the "very maximum" the RPi can draw under the worst condition possible
[15:01] <target_> the red light also stays dim but the green one does blink
[15:01] <DanielTheFox> but, well
[15:01] <DanielTheFox> oh, then there
[15:01] <DanielTheFox> the red light should be bright all the time
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[15:01] <dTal> target_: plenty of laptop USB3 ports support the charging spec of 3A
[15:01] <DanielTheFox> if it's not bright, then it's indicating power problem
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> DanielTheFox, not always the case..
[15:01] <akemacer> DanielTheFox, really? that's nice, thanks. I plan to use a 256 GB with Batocera.
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[15:02] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: it might not be there, yeah, but better safe than sorry :)
[15:02] <target_> I see a lot of get throttled messages in syslog
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> the power LED is (should be) either on or off. if it's dim, it's probably broken.
[15:02] <target_> followed by voltage normalized
[15:02] <DanielTheFox> ok, that's also a symptom
[15:02] <target_> it's off
[15:02] <target_> sorry
[15:02] <DanielTheFox> ok
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> off is bad.
[15:02] <DanielTheFox> then it IS complaining about voltage
[15:02] <target_> yeah, but it still boots
[15:03] <target_> can the hardware get damaged if I keep using it this way?
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> sure - but one issue is writing to the SD card.
[15:03] <DanielTheFox> it might be running "just fine", but depending on your workload, it might be corrupting your SD card until you need to reformat
[15:03] <DanielTheFox> and that's not good
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> that needs very brief boosts of higher current - and that's when things that look OK can go wrong.
[15:03] <DanielTheFox> since by then you'll be already unable to make backups
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> probably won't damage anything, but you may lose data.
[15:04] <dTal> couldn't you put a big-ass capacitor across 3.3V and GND
[15:04] <dTal> if the load is transient enough
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> dTal, best not to - best to get a good power supply.
[15:04] <DanielTheFox> yeah, low voltages aren't harmful in any sense, just that they might not work properly
[15:04] <DanielTheFox> and losing your written data or writing it where it doesn't belong is part of "not working properly"
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> akemacer, from a data security point of view it might be better to consider a small SD card and a bigger external file store - usb or network.
[15:05] <target_> I have a good power supply but no sockets are available since other stuff 'needs' to stay plugged ib
[15:06] <target_> I guess I could also throttle the CPU so that I can use it normally without any risk of data loss?
[15:07] <DanielTheFox> is the CPU idle?
[15:07] <DanielTheFox> an idle CPU won't make any difference, since it's doing its best for saving power already
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[15:07] <DanielTheFox> a 100%-running CPU will, of course, consume less if underclocked
[15:07] <target_> and also, if it tries to draw too much power from the computer, the USB port should get automatically disconnected instead of maybe frying the motherboard
[15:08] <DanielTheFox> sometimes yes, sometimes it just won't give more amps
[15:08] <DanielTheFox> (and cause the problems you're experiencing right now, as voltage drops when you're unable to supply enough amps)
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> cheaper ones are protected with the same type of polyfuses the Pi uses.
[15:09] <DanielTheFox> LED going off can be a couple of things, but none good, and all related to power
[15:09] <target_> I see
[15:10] <target_> I'll keep using this setup since data loss and reformatting isn't a problem for me
[15:10] <DanielTheFox> if you can't afford a data loss and having to reformat/reimage the SD card later on, you'd better find a way to fullfill those power requirements properly
[15:10] <DanielTheFox> ok, then feel free to use it
[15:10] <akemacer> gordonDrogon, i'm not concerned at all with security, i want something as much integrated as i can, that's why i go for an SD card, also it's easier for me since i need to "burn" an image of Batocera, would also work on a USB hard drive but i'd prefer SD.
[15:10] <DanielTheFox> but you've been warned, you're at your own risk :)
[15:10] <target_> just need to occasionally ping some other computers in the network and run some scans and those shouldn't take too much power
[15:10] <DanielTheFox> ok
[15:11] <target_> thanks
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> akemacer, keep backups then.
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[15:18] <Khaytsus> I at least have rsync's of my 24/7 pi's here.. the ones that are only online at certain times are a little more difficult.
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[15:18] <akemacer> gordonDrogon, Yep i do, on external hard drives.
[15:18] <Khaytsus> I still like having a full dd though...
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[16:23] <lfish> hello, I've been handed a raspberry that launches a ruby server after booting and I can't figure out where it is called. What autostart files are there other than `.config/lxsession/LXDE-pi/autostart`?
[16:24] <DanielTheFox> systemd, rc.local
[16:24] <DanielTheFox> I'm just throwing away possible hints
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[16:27] <BurtyB> could also be in cron
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[16:37] <Serus> hello
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[16:37] <Serus> Is there a prebuilt cross compiler available for windows?
[16:38] <Serus> Compiling from Windows to raspi of course, not the other way around
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> people do cross compile, but the Pi was designed for direct software development.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> compilers run very well directly on the Pi.
[16:46] <Plasmoduck> If I use a usb wifi dongle will that give ethernet better bandwidth performance?
[16:47] <Plasmoduck> Or it wont matter because it all shares the same controller?
[16:47] <Khaytsus> Until you decide to rebuild something big and it takes an hour on the pi
[16:48] <Khaytsus> Even ntpd when I rebuilt it a while back because the binary package didn't support something I needed to get time from a gps took _forever_
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[16:51] <BurtyB> Plasmoduck, both use the same usb port on the soc
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[16:51] <Plasmoduck> damn
[16:52] <Plasmoduck> I hope in the next pi, they decide to include a seperate soc for networking interfaces and another for usb.
[16:52] <Serus> Khaytsus: My pi just froze when I tried to compile boost
[16:52] <Plasmoduck> also usb 3
[16:52] <manjaro-userz> guys is your raspi stable on raspian? can you leave it running for months without issues? mine got disconnect after some weeks, not sure what happened
[16:52] <Khaytsus> Serus: What are you using as a power supply?
[16:52] <Plasmoduck> Shouldn't cost too much more, maybe $20 extra
[16:52] <Khaytsus> manjaro-userz: what are you using for a power uspply? ;)
[16:53] <Serus> PS is fine, the 1B runs out of ram without swap
[16:53] <Khaytsus> My pis run for months with proper power
[16:53] <Habbie> manjaro-userz, years, here
[16:53] <Plasmoduck> And in the case of (the pi is supposed to be a low-cost system) include a cheaper basic version too
[16:53] <hodapp> I've known some power grids that froze when trying to compile boost...
[16:53] <manjaro-userz> Khaytsus i use a weak cable and it show power warning, maybe it was the problem
[16:53] <Khaytsus> And I havent' had to manually reboot any of my pi's in over a year.. again, since i stopped using shitty phone chargers for power
[16:53] <Serus> $ uptime
[16:53] <Serus> 16:53:22 up 106 days, 8 min, 3 users, load average: 0.41, 0.36, 0.32
[16:53] <Khaytsus> manjaro-userz: uh.. yes.
[16:53] <Serus> Not too bad
[16:53] <Khaytsus> manjaro-userz: $7 for a proper power supply, done
[16:54] <Khaytsus> It's not like they're expensive
[16:54] <manjaro-userz> it's ok i onbly need to change the cable
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[16:54] <Khaytsus> manjaro-userz: Uh. What is powering it?
[16:54] <Khaytsus> A phone charger?
[16:54] <manjaro-userz> the cable is an old one that can't carry enought power
[16:54] <Khaytsus> I doubt it's your cable.
[16:54] <Serus> Before I moved it had an uptime of 400 days
[16:54] <manjaro-userz> i'm sure because with another cable i don't get warningn, the cable is about 10 years old
[16:55] <Khaytsus> Serus: bruh, power from gpio temporarily, move ;)
[16:55] <Plasmoduck> Like Raspberry Pi 4 (1 SoC for Networking & USB 2.0) $35 & then Raspberry Pi 4+ (Dual SoC, 1 for Networking & 1 for USB 3.0) $55
[16:55] <Plasmoduck> Something like that, give us options!
[16:55] <Serus> Khaytsus: as in, I moved to a different house lol
[16:55] <Khaytsus> manjaro-userz: You're avoiding answering, so you're probably using a phone charger. Don't do that. Or do, whatever. Just don't expect stability.
[16:55] <manjaro-userz> rhe problkem is the cable yes, thanks
[16:55] <Khaytsus> Serus: so? :P I'm really (mostly) kidding
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[16:55] <Khaytsus> manjaro-userz: um...... k
[16:55] * Khaytsus shakes head
[16:56] <Serus> anyway, cross compiler
[16:56] <Serus> is there a prebuilt package available for windows?
[16:56] <Serus> or do I have to compile GCC myself?
[16:56] <Khaytsus> or use a vm
[16:57] <Serus> you mean like with qemu?
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[16:57] <Khaytsus> Sure
[16:57] <Serus> nah, I did that before
[16:57] <Serus> it was super slow
[16:57] <Serus> so I guess the answer then is "no"
[16:57] <Khaytsus> huh? vm's here are just as fast as metal
[16:58] <Serus> not really
[16:58] <Habbie> qemu is slow
[16:58] <Habbie> other VM systems can be fast
[16:58] <Habbie> but qemu is slow
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[16:58] <Serus> you're emulating arm, which is slow
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[16:58] <Khaytsus> libvirt here uses kvm/qemu and it's fast as metal running like arch
[16:58] <Khaytsus> I dunno about different arch's
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[16:58] <Habbie> yes - kvm/qemu does magic, so it doesn't emulate the cpu
[16:58] <Khaytsus> I was suggesting running a 64 bit Linux distro in a vm and cross compiling
[16:59] <Habbie> but then you cannot 'mix' archs
[16:59] <Khaytsus> ah.. Okay
[16:59] <Serus> if you're running the same arch it's fast
[16:59] <Khaytsus> gotcha
[16:59] <Serus> I have gentoo on my laptop and tried cross compiling gentoo for my pi
[16:59] <Serus> not doing that again
[16:59] <Khaytsus> gross
[17:00] <Serus> now I just run arch on my pi
[17:01] <Plasmoduck> Serus how man days did that take? heh
[17:01] <Serus> gentoo or arch? lol
[17:02] <Plasmoduck> Gentoo
[17:02] <Serus> I tried for about a week, kept running into problems
[17:02] <Serus> both with CC and qemu
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[17:02] <Serus> qemu was just very super mega slow
[17:02] <Plasmoduck> I thought there is a compiled version of gentoo?
[17:02] <Serus> that I gave up
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[17:02] <Plasmoduck> Someone made one
[17:02] <Serus> and CC gave a ton of problems
[17:03] <Serus> yeah, qemu would work if I had the patience for it lol
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[17:03] <Serus> Or you can use distcc on the pi itself for compiling
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[17:30] <shtrb> Is it logical that microsd cards marked with A1 will have such a footprint that will cause raspberry pi claim under voltage ? (if I use a micro sdcard that does not have the Aq marking no warning , with it there is a warning )
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[17:32] <DanielTheFox> not all SD cards are made equal
[17:32] <DanielTheFox> some ones might have increased power consumption in exchange of increased performance
[17:33] <DanielTheFox> and your power supply might be on the limits anyway
[17:33] <Habbie> and A1 is some new fancy high speed rating apparently
[17:33] <shtrb> yes, I went and got a new power supply and got the same result
[17:33] <DanielTheFox> so it's just about a higher-consumption microSD card to overflow the cup
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[17:34] <shtrb> pi B (the good an old ones)
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[18:00] <Plasmoduck> You need to get a 5.1V 2.5A Switchmode power supply. That's what all my Pi's use. Never had a problem.
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[18:05] <Khaytsus> I just get a $7 power supply from adafruit or whatever..... simple
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[18:11] <stiv> so you are saying my $2 phone charger from the checkout lane at the grocery won't work?
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[18:12] <dTal> I sometimes run a pi off the USB port on a TV :p
[18:13] <dTal> handy when the TV is the screen - tv on, pi on. tv off, pi off
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[18:17] <Plasmoduck> stiv thats very bad, you will undervoltage the device and likely corrupt the sdcard
[18:17] <Plasmoduck> TV is bad too
[18:17] <DanielTheFox> depends on your usecase
[18:17] <DanielTheFox> the most critical part is the voltage
[18:17] <Plasmoduck> It needs the full 5.1V/2.5A
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[18:17] <DanielTheFox> no matter what you do, 5.0V must reach the Pi
[18:18] <Serus> Does the raspbian stretch lite image have SSH enabled?
[18:18] <DanielTheFox> and your power supply must supply the amps you need/want, without its voltage falling
[18:18] <Serus> Or do I need to hook up my keyboard and enable it?
[18:18] <Plasmoduck> Serus you can enable it in raspi-config
[18:18] <shiftplusone> Serus: no, but it can be easily enabled by dropping a file named 'ssh' onto the boot partition. If you have to do it for a headless setup.
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[18:20] <piensken> hi
[18:20] <Plasmoduck> anyone use a 'smart' bluetooth kettle? I'm thinking of buying one.
[18:20] <Plasmoduck> https://www.amazon.com/AIMOX-Stainless-Smartphone-Temperature-Teakettles/dp/B01EJGOGT6
[18:21] * DanielTheFox doesn't really use bluetooth
[18:21] <Plasmoduck> from your phone?
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> what phone?
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> :)
[18:21] <Plasmoduck> iPhone 8
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> nice
[18:21] <DanielTheFox> I don't have one
[18:21] <Plasmoduck> Oh
[18:22] <DanielTheFox> (and that's the reason I have a Pi) :)
[18:22] <piensken> im trying to get the pi running in my car. volkswagen golf 7. I use a hdmi to RCA convertor from this I go to media in connector.. now I have sound but no video.. I tried to set a fixe resolution but no luck.. the shitty thing.. I tried to connect the laptop to the hdmi.. same issue.. sound but no image
[18:22] <Plasmoduck> How do you live without a phone man?
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[18:23] <Plasmoduck> Do you remember the NetBSD toaster? I should build a Raspberry Pi toaster (if it hasn't already been done).
[18:23] <DanielTheFox> Plasmoduck: easy, when the phone was alive, I didn't do anything phone-specific
[18:23] <DanielTheFox> I used ssh, ftp, stuff I'd do better with a computer
[18:23] <Plasmoduck> Toaster powered by Pi
[18:23] <shiftplusone> pretty sure turning on the kettle is faster and simpler that getting the phone out to do it.
[18:24] <Plasmoduck> I always have my phone on my desk infront of me
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[18:25] <shiftplusone> pretty sure it's a feature I'd use twice and never again.
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[18:26] <akk> Turning on the kettle manually also sounds a lot more reliable than bluetooth.
[18:26] <akk> Everything I've tried to do with bluetooth turns out to be super flaky.
[18:26] <shiftplusone> It's like today's equivalent of clapper lights
[18:27] <BurtyB> does it also check if it has water in?
[18:28] <shiftplusone> Ah, that's not what they meant by cloud connected? No? I'll get my coat.
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[18:29] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> I go to the kitchen. Put mug under tap. push button. mug fills with boiling water. doesn't everyone do it this way?
[18:30] <shiftplusone> I certainly don't
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[18:31] <Plasmoduck> haha
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[18:31] <shiftplusone> And what kind of tap has buttons? O_o
[18:31] <Plasmoduck> Yes it lets you know the water level via sensor
[18:32] <Plasmoduck> shiftplusone I think he has a thermos
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[18:33] <Plasmoduck> https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitchensinksandtapsdirect.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F7%2Fthumbnail%2F600x600%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2Fi%2Fs%2Fise_series_1100_1.jpg&f=1
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[18:34] <shiftplusone> ah, we have something similar at work, which I do use instead of the kettle.
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> most workplaces have instant boil taps like that - far safer - or so we're told.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> the home ones are a bit expensive though.
[18:35] <BurtyB> no kettle needed for irn bru tho
[18:35] <shiftplusone> idk about safer, but certainly more convenient. Better than filling a kettle, going back to your desk while it boils, coming back and finding people have used up all the water without refilling it.
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> that one for example is about �500.
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> BurtyB, Ach. See you, Jimmy?
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> actually, I have a dislike for essential technology that can go wrong too easily.
[18:37] <DanielTheFox> even easier than that, I don't even drink coffee
[18:38] <shiftplusone> What about tea? O_o
[18:38] <DanielTheFox> no
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> my coffee machine has no pump, no flexy hoses to burst, just a heater and a big lever.
[18:38] <DanielTheFox> ...does someone here drink plain water?
[18:38] <shiftplusone> What kind of monster doesn't drink any hot beverages?
[18:38] <shiftplusone> Sure, I keep a mug of tea and a bottle of water on my desk while working
[18:38] <DanielTheFox> sometimes I drink coke too
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[18:39] * BurtyB looks at shiftplusone
[18:39] <DanielTheFox> but anything non-water is just too expensive
[18:39] <shiftplusone> and by working I mean being on IRC discussing kettles.... I should stop that.
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[18:40] <DanielTheFox> running on red numbers continously is definitely an excitement
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20160805_142412.jpg
[18:40] <Plasmoduck> I really gate getting up from my desk to boil the kettle https://i.postimg.cc/NjpFG4fR/IMG-0414.jpg
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I drink water. about 2-3liters a day.
[18:40] <Plasmoduck> This is why I want a bluetooth kettle
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> you have too much desk.
[18:41] <shiftplusone> When I was lazy, I used to just keep the kettle on the desk, so there's that
[18:41] <DanielTheFox> it's easier to me to drink warm water when I accidentally leave it where run reaches
[18:41] <DanielTheFox> for example, outside
[18:42] <DanielTheFox> s/run/sun
[18:42] <Plasmoduck> I need more monitors
[18:42] <Plasmoduck> I'd like a second row up top
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[18:43] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: do you manually manage your own web server? (instead of buying/getting managed hosting with fancy drag-n-click)
[18:43] <Plasmoduck> The far left screen is monitoring my pi's
[18:43] <DanielTheFox> *drag-n-drop
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> DanielTheFox, I (used to) run an Internet Company. Yes.
[18:43] <DanielTheFox> nice
[18:43] <DanielTheFox> it's too boring to dump photos around
[18:44] <shiftplusone> Never had a good experience with managed hosting.
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> writing your own html is slightly more challenging
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> the drag & drop stuff is ok, but I do not want to impose adverts, etc. on people just to look at a photo.
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> shiftplusone: super slow, questionable cross-browser compatibility, ads, CPU going 100% thanks to generated JS scripts
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> I don't write html if I can possibly avoid it, so like it or loathe it, but wordpress works for me.
[18:46] <shiftplusone> Not having the level of control I needed, being lied to about resources available and getting kicked off for making use of the advertised resources when they were available.
[18:46] <Plasmoduck> Why write HTML when you can write PHP?
[18:47] <Plasmoduck> PHP and CSS
[18:47] <DanielTheFox> I do both
[18:47] <DanielTheFox> and I don't know very well any of those
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> html is zero load on the server. php needs cup cycles on the server.
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> *cpu
[18:47] <DanielTheFox> I have to look at manuals around to write stuff
[18:47] <d0rm0us3> PHP aka Pretty Hackable Programming
[18:48] <DanielTheFox> and since I don't do it frequently enough, I don't know enough of anything
[18:48] <DanielTheFox> if you put some effort, PHP is not that hackable
[18:48] <d0rm0us3> DanielTheFox: Let's just agree to disagree.
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[18:49] <DanielTheFox> just don't allow buffer overflows, nor assume user input is reliable, and much less allow PHP execution where users can write stuff into
[18:49] <shiftplusone> so just don't write any bugs?
[18:49] <DanielTheFox> ...aaand eventually I should move to CGI scripts and C, so it takes less CPU cycles
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> so when you need nothing more than simple pages, images, etc. then html+css is fine.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> however we lost that war when the size of the average web page exceeded the size of the Doom CD last year )-:
[18:49] <d0rm0us3> See... that's more than just a little effort.
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[18:50] <DanielTheFox> horrible
[18:50] <Serus> does raspbian install on a 2GB micro SD?
[18:51] * DanielTheFox hopes for the day bandwidth price is increased again, so they stop abusing it so much
[18:51] <d0rm0us3> think you need a 4gb
[18:51] * DanielTheFox will turn into an skeleton before that happens
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> almost all programming languages have or have had reliability issues in the past. lets not dwell on one in particular.
[18:53] <shiftplusone> Go live in Australia for a while in an area not covered by NBN and let me know if you still believe that.
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[18:54] <shiftplusone> and php would be the most targeted since it was the most popular one for ages.
[18:54] <Habbie> php did suffer from serious design issues in the past
[18:54] <Habbie> i understand it's way easier to do it right today
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> Serus, raspbian-stretch-lite will unzip to a 1.8GB file - that ought to fit on a 2GB SD card, but I don't know it it runs OK from then on.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> good thing I stick to BASIC these days :)
[18:57] <DanielTheFox> haha
[18:58] <DanielTheFox> sometimes I use BASIC, either C64 or QBasic (like or loathe)
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install rtb ; rtb
[18:58] <Serus> I should have a bigger one somewhere
[18:59] <Habbie> it should be pretty easy to empty some more space after first boot
[18:59] <Habbie> by removing packages you don't need
[19:00] <DanielTheFox> lite is already lite
[19:00] <DanielTheFox> it most likely already did that for you, so the image is 1.8GB instead of 3.2GB
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> depends if you don't need the GUI.
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[19:01] <Habbie> DanielTheFox, oh yes, but a basic debian install is much smaller, so there should be plenty one can remove
[19:02] <DanielTheFox> ok, then
[19:02] <DanielTheFox> :)
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[19:04] <Plasmoduck> The Raspberry Pi Store looks amazing
[19:05] <DanielTheFox> shame I can't get any of that
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[19:10] <Plasmoduck> Why?
[19:10] <Serus> ok, I thought I had one, but I don't
[19:10] <Plasmoduck> I'm sure they will have a web store?
[19:10] <Serus> welp, time to go out and buy another one
[19:10] <Serus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[19:10] <DanielTheFox> Plasmoduck: running on red numbers
[19:10] <DanielTheFox> expensive shipping
[19:11] <shiftplusone> a lot of the lite image size is just empty space. The way the image size is calculated when it's created isn't great.
[19:11] <Plasmoduck> red numbers?
[19:11] <DanielTheFox> and, more importantly, unability to magically transform physical money into money I can use online
[19:11] <DanielTheFox> Plasmoduck: spending more than earning
[19:12] <Plasmoduck> oh
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[19:12] <DanielTheFox> as dangerous as running a car without water (doesn't apply for air-cooled old engines)
[19:13] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[19:13] <DanielTheFox> actually
[19:13] <DanielTheFox> any RPi-oriented shop/store looks amazing
[19:14] <DanielTheFox> but I'm like a kid outside of a candy store
[19:14] <DanielTheFox> look as much as you can, but we ain't buying anything
[19:15] <Plasmoduck> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-tv-hat/
[19:15] <Plasmoduck> I just bought this
[19:15] <Plasmoduck> So I can setup a multicast tv service
[19:15] <DanielTheFox> analog or digital
[19:15] <DanielTheFox> ?
[19:15] <Plasmoduck> digital of cause!
[19:15] <DanielTheFox> analog doesn't appear to be regulated by local government anymore
[19:16] <DanielTheFox> yet a lot of people 'round here still has old-fashioned analog TVs and antennas
[19:16] <Plasmoduck> There is no Analog TV anymore in .au
[19:16] <DanielTheFox> good for you
[19:16] <DanielTheFox> here it was already a triumph that they got those TVs
[19:16] <Plasmoduck> You need a digital set top box to use those old CRT TVs now
[19:17] <DanielTheFox> (also, satellite TV receivers still output analog RCA, so no incentive for 'em to switch to digital)
[19:18] <DanielTheFox> so, broadcasting analog in my town sounds like a good idea
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[19:54] <Plasmoduck> Man these Pi's can do a LOT. I've got one running Pi-Hole, Webmin, Samba file server, Lighthttpd website & TVheadend to stream digital tv to my network
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[19:54] <Plasmoduck> and the CPU is basically idle, 180mb ram used and 4gb sdcard used
[19:54] <Plasmoduck> thats nuts!
[19:57] <shiftplusone> yup
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[20:24] <Plasmoduck> Man its so good the b+ supports PoE, now you can put a pi anywhere
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[20:26] <Bitweasil> Yes, but /should/ you?
[20:26] <akk> I have power plugs a lot more places than I have ethernet jacks. :)
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[20:28] <Habbie> akk, so you need.. ethernet over power!
[20:28] <Plasmoduck> Just handy and saves money on power adaptors and wire clutter
[20:28] <Bitweasil> Powerline networking is a thing. It's just a thing that sucks.
[20:29] <akk> Habbie: I do! That would be handy.
[20:29] <H__> i find the poe hat bulky
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[20:29] <Plasmoduck> No the Model 3B+ doesn't need the pihat, the ethernet port supports poe out of the box
[20:29] <Habbie> oh really
[20:30] <Plasmoduck> yup
[20:30] <Habbie> so the hat is just for the 3B
[20:30] <H__> oh now *that* is nice
[20:30] <Habbie> (and doesn't work on 2B, right)
[20:30] <Plasmoduck> The ethernet port was swaped out
[20:30] <Plasmoduck> I think so
[20:30] <Bitweasil> I don't believe that is correct.
[20:30] <ali1234> no that's wrong
[20:31] <Habbie> ah
[20:31] <ali1234> the hat is only for 3B+
[20:31] <Habbie> ah
[20:31] <Bitweasil> The 3B+ has the /headers/ for POE, but still needs the hat (which is the power conversion circuitry).
[20:31] <Habbie> that makes more sense to me
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[20:31] <ali1234> none of the others have the PoE header so that hat can't hysically connect to them
[20:32] <Bitweasil> ^ Correct.
[20:32] <Bitweasil> The 3B+ is the only one with the headers for the hat to use.
[20:32] <Habbie> i wonder why it couldn't use the existing 5V/GND pins
[20:32] <Bitweasil> That bypasses most of the power supply protections in place.
[20:32] <ali1234> because PoE is 48V
[20:32] <Habbie> ali1234, the hat does the conversion, right
[20:32] <Bitweasil> It works, but you stand a far greater risk of blowing out things than by feeding through the power supply.
[20:32] <ali1234> right
[20:33] <Plasmoduck> Oh really?
[20:33] <Plasmoduck> https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/tp-link-poe-injector-tl-poe150s
[20:33] <Habbie> so rephrase, to be clear, i wonder why the hat doesn't use the 5V/GND pins
[20:33] <ali1234> it does use them
[20:33] <Habbie> but?
[20:33] <ali1234> it uses them to power the pi
[20:33] <Habbie> so why doesn't the hat work on older models?
[20:34] <Bitweasil> Actually, I think the "extra" pins are from the ethernet jack - to run power up to the hat.
[20:34] <ali1234> the PoE header supplies 48V from the ethernet jack into the hat
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[20:34] <Habbie> Bitweasil, ohh, of course
[20:34] <Habbie> thanks, got it
[20:34] <ali1234> the hat then converts it to 5V and supplies that to the header
[20:34] <Bitweasil> But you still have to be careful feeding the 5V pins directly - you've bypassed some of the overcurrent protections.
[20:34] <ali1234> yes and notice that the PoE hat got recalled :)
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[20:34] <Bitweasil> It did?
[20:35] <ali1234> well it got taken off sale due to bugs at least
[20:35] <Bitweasil> Ah, https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/poe-hat-revision/
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[20:35] <HighInBC> it was expensive for what it did
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[20:36] <Plasmoduck> You can use a PoE splitter instead of the hat on model 3 and 2?
[20:36] <Plasmoduck> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Active-PoE-Splitter-Power-Over-Ethernet-48V-to-5V-2-4A-Micro-USB-4-Adapter-12WJc-/202558255795
[20:36] <ali1234> if you get one with 5V out, sure
[20:38] <HighInBC> yes I have used those Plasmoduck
[20:38] <HighInBC> it runs the pi, but bulky
[20:40] <Plasmoduck> I like the idea if PoE for the Pi as a security camera.
[20:40] <Plasmoduck> You could hide them all around your house and outside
[20:41] <Plasmoduck> Also for an outdoor weather station
[20:41] <Plasmoduck> many uses
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[20:43] <Bitweasil> IMO, the Pi is not suitably environmentally robust for that sort of use.
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[20:44] <shiftplusone> plenty of industrial cases out there
[20:44] <Bitweasil> It's not rated for a particularly wide temperature range, though.
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[20:45] <Bitweasil> Parts aren't rated below 0C, though you may or may not need them.
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[20:45] <Bitweasil> (IIRC the LAN chip is the limiting one)
[20:45] <shiftplusone> ah, alright
[20:45] <Bitweasil> It'll probably work, but I wouldn't rely on it for winter use in an awful lot of areas.
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[20:46] <Habbie> probably easier and cheaper to get some wireless outside weather station
[20:46] <Bitweasil> And you've got waste heat, but in the summer, 40C ambient, they throttle pretty quick.
[20:46] <shiftplusone> nothing a resistor or a high cpu load can't fix, but yeah, that's a point when you might look into alternatives.
[20:46] <DanielTheFox> hah, temperature here doesn't move much from 29°C
[20:46] <Bitweasil> Yes, I wouldn't be inclined to put the "smarts" outside.
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[20:46] <Bitweasil> Just transmit data and process it inside.
[20:46] <DanielTheFox> that's fairly good for a Pi
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[20:47] <Bitweasil> I'd agree that around the time you start hacking up Pi heaters and such, it's time to just use a platform with a wider temperature range.
[20:48] <Khaytsus> pi heaters?
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> year-wide, ranging betweem 26°C and 34°C
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[20:48] <DanielTheFox> the Pi quickly reaches 50°C but won't move that much beyond that
[20:49] <Bitweasil> I'm about -25C-45C ambient range over the year.
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> (unless you intentionally want to heat the system running ffmpeg)
[20:49] <Bitweasil> Some years, only -5 to -10C.
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[20:49] <DanielTheFox> yeah, I'd like to be in Alaska too
[20:49] <Khaytsus> You would?
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[20:49] <Bitweasil> -25C to 45C, I suppose.
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> not that I'd "like" it
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> oh, then it sounds like Halifax :P
[20:50] <DanielTheFox> extremely wide temperature range
[20:50] <Bitweasil> Yes.
[20:50] <Bitweasil> High desert.
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[20:51] <DanielTheFox> thankfully high humidity and consistent weather cause our range to be very small
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[20:55] <HighInBC> a running pi will proably keep itself over zero unless it is super cold out
[20:56] <HighInBC> write a tool that maxes the CPU if it gets too cold
[20:56] <HighInBC> that and insulation
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> or use an intentionally-misventilated case
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[20:57] <RcHaCk> did you get a snow day also ?
[20:58] <Khaytsus> My pi in the garage even at the coldest time of the year was never below 47c.. it's in a typical sized shoe box
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[20:58] <HighInBC> worse, my workers are getting a snow day
[20:58] <HighInBC> not going to get my rental property ready in time for next month
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[20:58] <Bitweasil> Sure, but that insulated case, in the summer... you've got problems.
[20:58] <HighInBC> oh ya
[20:59] <RcHaCk> that sucks man
[20:59] <Khaytsus> Bitweasil: In the summer, max 72
[20:59] <DanielTheFox> hopefully you live in a place where it's always cold
[20:59] <RcHaCk> where abouts is your property ?
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[21:00] <Serus> to do the raspi-config stuff I need to open it up in linux, right?
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> Khaytsus: you'll be almost boiling
[21:00] <Khaytsus> DanielTheFox: the pi.. not me
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> there was once a dumb guy on TV who said it was 90°C, when he probably meant 90°F
[21:00] <Khaytsus> Lots of dumb guys on tv
[21:01] <hodapp> yeah, some of them are even on camera
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[21:02] <Serus> Does creating an ssh file on the FAT parition only work on NOOBS?
[21:02] <Serus> Or does raspbian also check for it?
[21:02] <Habbie> it's a raspbian feature
[21:02] <Habbie> which means it'll work in noobs as long as you pick raspbian :)
[21:02] <DanielTheFox> if you drop a rock from very high away on a helicopter down to a tight crowd, will the rock hit someone?
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[21:03] <DanielTheFox> s/on/in
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[21:04] <hodapp> uh, probably
[21:04] <Bitweasil> Serus, it works if you put the Raspbian image on the SD card.
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[21:06] <hodapp> it could be statistically modeled given some assumptions such as rock size, person density, wind conditions, height, and initial trajectory
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[21:06] <hodapp> however most results would converge on you still being a total jerk
[21:08] <DanielTheFox> hah, perfect point
[21:08] <DanielTheFox> so everything concludes on me being a nut if I attempt to do so
[21:08] <shiftplusone> What if it's an alt-right rally? Is it okay to drop rocks from a helicopter on nazis?
[21:09] <DanielTheFox> nope, because some of them were forcefully converted by somebody (they didn't want to be like that)
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[21:09] <DanielTheFox> https://xkcd.com/873/
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[21:10] <Bitweasil> Dropping rocks on the white house will give you problems.
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[21:10] <hodapp> shiftplusone: that is a complicating matter but in general one should seek to deal with them by actual dialogue and by ensuring that their actual views are clearly aired out in the open, rather than by violence.
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[21:11] <phinxy> Has anyone been to the real-life brick and mortar rpi store yet, how big is it?
[21:11] <Bitweasil> hodapp, that sounds way too reasonable. I thought you were just supposed to call them every bad word you could think of until they decided you were right.
[21:11] <shiftplusone> The photo here gives a good idea https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/07/the-raspberry-pi-store-is-much-cooler-than-an-apple-store/
[21:11] <shiftplusone> I'm not too far way, but haven't been yet.
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[21:14] <Plasmoduck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sIeKRhclQI
[21:15] <shiftplusone> seems legit
[21:19] <phinxy> I'm impressed on how sensitive that meter is
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[21:44] <Plasmoduck> Oh man I gotta get me one of these cases for my pi-hole https://uk.pi-supply.com/products/pi-hole-case
[21:47] <shiftplusone> Looks good
[21:48] <shiftplusone> though I tend to stick to FLIRC cases nowadays. No need to worry about thermals.
[21:48] <shiftplusone> or a pibow coupe for the test pis
[21:48] <Bitweasil> Loves me the FLIRC cases, though a 3B+ will still throttle back in one.
[21:51] <HighInBC> pi hole was great, then youtube started serving ads from the same servers as their content
[21:51] <HighInBC> still good for other stuff but that was my main use case
[21:53] <shiftplusone> 3B+ throttling in a FLIRC case? really?
[21:53] <Bitweasil> Sustained high load will drop it from 1.4GHz back to 1.2GHz.
[21:53] <shiftplusone> throttled=0x0, 20:53:35 up 25 days no problems so far
[21:53] <Lartza> Why wouldn't it? Seems like a totally shut case with no thermal :S
[21:54] <Lartza> Foam is an insulator
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[21:56] <shiftplusone> kicking off a vlc build to see if that's enough. Shouldn't be since this pi builds a lot of stuff
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[21:56] <Bitweasil> Lartza, the foam is a heat trasnfer compound, and the whole case is a heatsink.
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[21:57] <Bitweasil> shiftplusone: Run watch "vcgencmd measure_clock arm"
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[21:57] <Bitweasil> and do a 'make -j5' or so
[21:57] <shiftplusone> I'm watching the temp, but I'll add both
[21:57] <Bitweasil> I bet you'll see it drop from 1.4 down to 1.2 after a few minutes.
[21:58] <Bitweasil> IIRC it will throttle at 60C
[21:58] <Bitweasil> And then if it hits 80C, which it won't, pull back further.
[21:58] <Bitweasil> But it's pretty easy to trip the 3B+ from 1.4GHz down to 1.2Ghz.
[21:59] <shiftplusone> yeah, I just haven't seen it happen in a flirc case. Unless get_throttled doesn't have a bit for that?
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[21:59] <Bitweasil> I don't know if it tracks that or not in that register.
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[21:59] <Bitweasil> I just know mine will drop to 1.2 sometimes.
[22:00] <RcHaCk> how you checking the speed ?
[22:00] <Bitweasil> vcgencmd measure_clock arm
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[22:03] <Bitweasil> shiftplusone, what are your temps/clocks?
[22:04] <Bitweasil> I ran into the limit doing a kernel build.
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[22:05] <shiftplusone> right now it's at 54C building all out, but I don't think it has settled yet
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[22:05] <shiftplusone> just checked the source code, and yeah, get_throttled tracks the soft temp limit as well
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[22:10] <Bitweasil> shiftplusone, you see the guy on reddit who put a big cpu fan and heatsink on his FLIRC case?
[22:10] <shiftplusone> heh, nope
[22:10] <Bitweasil> It was a while back... let me see
[22:10] <shiftplusone> the watercooled pi was the most overboard pi I've seen so far.
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[22:11] <Bitweasil> I've not seen that one!
[22:11] <Bitweasil> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/9bdgrr/it_turns_out_putting_a_heatsink_on_the_flirc_case/ <--
[22:11] <shiftplusone> temperature seems to be staying under 58, but if ambient was a bit higher, I can see it throttling
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[22:12] <shiftplusone> http://i.imgur.com/fn4CP2Y.jpg that wasn't too long after the pi came out
[22:12] <Bitweasil> *nods* That's right up against the limit.
[22:12] <Bitweasil> Oh my...
[22:13] <Bitweasil> That's funny. I'd rather put that on a 3B+ and overvolt the pants off it...
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[22:15] <taza> Mine just has a small heatsink and I've taken off the side from the official case
[22:15] <taza> The side without connectors that is
[22:16] <shiftplusone> there we go... throttled=0x80000, but it took a lot.
[22:16] <Khaytsus> What are you all doing that your pi is all that hot?
[22:16] <shiftplusone> Khaytsus: running stuff to see how how they get, clearly.
[22:16] <Bitweasil> Dropped to 1.2?
[22:16] <shiftplusone> but yeah, building stuff does heat up the 3B+ a fair bit
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[22:17] <taza> Transcoding.
[22:17] <Bitweasil> It's far better than most, and with the FLIRC case, it has a ton of thermal mass, but it'll still get warm if you run it hard.
[22:17] <Khaytsus> transcoding what? and why?
[22:17] <Bitweasil> cpuburn-a53 will cook it in a hearbeat, but I can't actually run that without browning out. :)
[22:17] <Bitweasil> (which pulls clocks back to 600)
[22:17] <shiftplusone> bitmask: it did, but not for long, it's kind of hanging just under 60
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[22:17] <Bitweasil> *nods* Yeah, so warmer ambients will pull it back.
[22:17] <taza> Khaytsus I don't feel like getting into it?
[22:18] <shiftplusone> cpuburn isn't really a realistic load. We use it for testing though.
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[22:18] <taza> It's a hack basically built around "I could use a real system for this... ooor I could just put a heatsink on the Pi and call it a day"
[22:18] <Khaytsus> Just seems like silly job for a low resource sbc
[22:18] <shiftplusone> it's not silly if it works
[22:19] <Bitweasil> shiftplusone, I agree, but a multi-threaded build job is a realistic load.
[22:19] <Khaytsus> No, it can still be silly
[22:19] <Bitweasil> As is transcoding.
[22:19] <shiftplusone> if you're using mmal, it should be realtimeish for 1080p
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[22:19] <Bitweasil> taza, if a $50 Pi handles it, why not? You can't get a small form factor x86 for more than 3-4x as much.
[22:20] <taza> Bitweasil ... why point that at me?
[22:20] <DanielTheFox> transcoding can't be that silly
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[22:20] <shiftplusone> getting the runes right for gstreamer and ffmpeg is a bit of a pain. I should probably get it right once and save them somewhere for when I need it.
[22:20] <DanielTheFox> at least it reduces bandwidth costs if you put phone-recorded videos on your web server
[22:20] <DanielTheFox> (phones aren't that efficient there)
[22:20] <Bitweasil> er, sorry, that should have been at Khaytsus, taza.
[22:21] <Bitweasil> And many x86 boxes idle at the full draw power of several Pis.
[22:21] <Bitweasil> Even a NUC or such.
[22:21] <Bitweasil> They'll idle at 10-30W, which is... a lot of Pis.
[22:22] <DanielTheFox> three or four, depending on what is being connected and what the Pi does
[22:22] <taza> The transcoding job takes maybe an hour average on the Pi, and I do it maybe every few days whenever I feel like poking it over ssh
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[22:23] <taza> But it's mostly a case of "the files are already on the Pi so eh, I might as well encode there since it doesn't really matter how long it takes"
[22:24] <DanielTheFox> with the benefit of being very power-efficient
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[22:28] <taza> Eh the Pi is barely more efficient than the x86 boxes I could use?
[22:28] <taza> Nor does it really have a smaller footprint?
[22:28] <Bitweasil> Which x86 boxes are in that power budget/form factor?
[22:28] <taza> But it has the software required with no extra setup and means less wires to plug in
[22:28] <Bitweasil> I know of the Minnowboards, but they're sort of a goofy dev board.
[22:29] <Bitweasil> The compute sticks are pretty pricey.
[22:30] <taza> I've got self-built hardware
[22:30] <Bitweasil> Self-built small form factor x86?
[22:30] <taza> yarp
[22:31] <Bitweasil> What sort of board? Even micro ATX is an awful lot larger than a Pi.
[22:31] <taza> Custom
[22:32] <Bitweasil> Fair enough.
[22:32] <taza> Mostly mobile Celeron chips
[22:34] <DanielTheFox> but hey
[22:34] <DanielTheFox> $45 for a Pi 3B+ ($10 over factory price) is nice
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[22:35] <taza> Bitweasil Basically all of them are cheap laptop SoC's rebuilt into small computers?
[22:35] <taza> That's why they're cheap, because they're from broken laptops
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[22:35] <Khaytsus> Annoying part about Pi's from like amazon is they always come in "bundles". In stores you'd pay taxes. From other places you pay shipping. heh
[22:37] <Plasmoduck> Has anyone setup a Raspberry Pi IRC server?
[22:37] <Bitweasil> taza, Huh, interesting.
[22:37] <Bitweasil> Plasmoduck, it's just Linux, it'd work fine.
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[22:38] <Tenkawa> anyone running their zero-w using the g_serial otg console?
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[22:39] <taza> Bitweasil I mean, they have pretty standard PC parts inside, all ya gotta do is replace a few bits and make sure the cooling works properly
[22:39] <Tenkawa> I'm having some hiccups figuring out which getty I need to create a symbolic link for link prepping the card
[22:40] <taza> If you're fine cutting out the trackpad, the keyboard and the screen, you get a footprint comparable to a RPi with the cables connected
[22:40] <Bitweasil> Fair enough.
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: if you put console=whatever in your cmdline.txt systemd will generate and run the unit automatically. I think it's something like ttyGS0?
[22:42] <shiftplusone> although that may not work if it's not in gadget mode and fully configured while booting? Not sure actually.
[22:43] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: yeah.. it syslog keeps disabling because of systemd hooks
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[22:43] <Tenkawa> thats why I hoped to find someone who's actually done it
[22:44] <Tenkawa> once I get home I can just throw it on my network and do it
[22:44] <Tenkawa> but that defeats the point
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[22:44] <shiftplusone> I don't remember having to do anything particularly special, but I have the memory of a goldfish and this was ages ago =(
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[22:45] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: yeah
[22:45] <Tenkawa> my gpio cable works great
[22:45] <shiftplusone> maybe all this gadget mode fun should be in the documentation. Just a matter of finding somebody willing and able to do it.
[22:45] <Tenkawa> but I wanted to use the gadgett on the zero
[22:46] <ali1234> gadget mode is pretty wonkey tbh
[22:46] <Tenkawa> ali1234: omg yes
[22:46] <shiftplusone> it does seem a bit fragile
[22:46] <DanielTheFox> I should check it out nevertheless
[22:47] <Tenkawa> I have found a lot of different documentation for it but theres a lot of conflicts
[22:47] <ali1234> linux doesn't support it very well: if you make one mistake you can crash the device AND the host
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[22:47] <ali1234> and the dwc2 implementation seems buggy
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[22:47] <Tenkawa> dwc2's patches definitely dont get pulled back into upstream anytime quickly
[22:48] <Tenkawa> I wonder why
[22:48] <ali1234> i suspect the problem is actually caused by firmware
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[22:49] <Tenkawa> we just cant catch a break heheheh
[22:49] <ali1234> its difficult to debug because doing so requires having a spare computer that you dont mind crashing
[22:49] <ali1234> also nobody will care about the bug unless i test with the upstream kernel
[22:50] <Tenkawa> well the problem there is you need one per config too
[22:50] <Tenkawa> so every iteration of something that could make it need it run a battery of tests
[22:50] <Tenkawa> or a lot of time
[22:51] <ali1234> you don't really need that if you are looking for a specific bug though
[22:51] <Tenkawa> oh yeah
[22:51] <Tenkawa> I was talking oingoing
[22:51] <Tenkawa> er ongoing
[22:52] <Tenkawa> I spent the early part of my career doing that
[22:52] <ali1234> it is pretty easy to reproduce: just load firmware over USB and boot up into linux as a gadget device
[22:52] <Tenkawa> too bad qemu/kvm cant emulate these types of things
[22:53] <ali1234> if boot takes longer than about 20 seconds the host computer will at best disable the port (which turns off the power to the pi) or at worst turn off all the ports and/or crash completely
[22:53] <ali1234> qemu can emulate this stuff but software implementations are more tolerant of errors than hardware unfortunately
[22:53] <Tenkawa> very tue
[22:53] <Tenkawa> er true
[22:54] <ali1234> the problem boils down to if you have a USB device that signals it is ready but actually isn't, and then doesn't respond to requests, the host will get very angry
[22:54] <ali1234> and the pi does this in between where the firmware stops, and where the kernel takes over usb hardware
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[22:58] <ali1234> the kernel documentation for how to use the three different interfaces is also very lacking, and the only people using it seriously are android hardware manufacturers who don't document anything at all
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[23:31] <friendofafriend> https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/07/the-raspberry-pi-store-is-much-cooler-than-an-apple-store/
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[23:31] <friendofafriend> How neat is that?
[23:32] <TheSin> this neat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3JodBR-vs
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[23:34] <friendofafriend> "What a butte." Oh, those college kids.
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[23:35] <TheSin> hehe that video kills me everytime
[23:35] <TheSin> felt like a good time to finally use it
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[23:36] <TheSin> but for real that is a great article, good find, and thanks for sharing it
[23:36] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: lol
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[23:36] <Jeebiss> Quick random question. I have a 5v power supply that I am going to use to power my raspi. Is it safer to put that 5v into the micro usb port or should I go to the pins on the gpio header?
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[23:37] <Jeebiss> I have a chopped off usb cable that I was going to use.
[23:37] <friendofafriend> Jeebiss: The port has a fuse.
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[23:37] <Jeebiss> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1NpV7YwxxSJB32vo8
[23:37] <Jeebiss> thats the set up
[23:37] <Jeebiss> friendofafriend: ah, so at least one fail sade
[23:37] <Jeebiss> safe**
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[23:38] <friendofafriend> Yep, and of course you can power through the GPIO pins and just add your own fuse.
[23:38] <Jeebiss> ill take the built in one
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[23:40] <Jeebiss> thanks for the info
[23:40] <friendofafriend> There was some cat who was built a Pi cluster. Made his own hat to supply fused power, and had a neat-o little RGB LED for diagnostics. Can never seem to find that article when I want it, but it was a one-off HAT anyway.
[23:41] <friendofafriend> Very welcome, good luck! I've got a Pi1B just like that. ;)
[23:41] <Tenkawa> one of these days I'm going to put my cluster back together
[23:41] <shiftplusone> that's a lot of faith in painters tape
[23:42] <Tenkawa> just need to figure out what to do with it
[23:42] <Jeebiss> there is a quarter inch of hot glue under it hahah
[23:42] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:43] <friendofafriend> I like that blue poster tack stuff.
[23:43] <Jeebiss> ever since i got the battery powered ryobi hot glue gun i have been gluing everything together
[23:43] <Jeebiss> its a game changer
[23:43] <Jeebiss> for those who care, this is what its running
[23:43] * Jeebiss https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/another-sintra-sign-build/8687
[23:47] <friendofafriend> Hey, that's a nice design. Good eye. Opening a noodle shop?
[23:48] <friendofafriend> Ah, a coffee and bike shop. Well, hey, that's cool!
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[23:49] <Jeebiss> Its my friends noodle shop haha
[23:49] <Jeebiss> I own the coffee/bike shop
[23:50] <Jeebiss> glad you like it
[23:50] <friendofafriend> Looks awesome, and a great use of a Raspberry Pi for sure. :)
[23:50] <RcHaCk> where is this noodle shop
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[23:52] <Jeebiss> cleveland
[23:53] <RcHaCk> ahh
[23:54] <Tenkawa> Jeebiss: hi neighbor
[23:54] <DanielTheFox> cleverland
[23:54] <Tenkawa> Columbus here
[23:55] <RcHaCk> everyone from ohio here ?
[23:55] <Tenkawa> seems like it haaahaa
[23:55] <DanielTheFox> one of my servers, but not myself
[23:55] <DanielTheFox> :)
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[23:57] <Tenkawa> oh good grief more snow tonight
[23:57] <Tenkawa> ugggh
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[23:58] <Tenkawa> its been raining for 2 days straight after getting 4-5 inches of snow

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