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IRC Log for 2019-02-15

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[0:07] <st3fann> Hello, Im having an issue getting my pi to boot from a raspian flash I've tried both through Etcher and through Rufus several times, both on my mac and PC just to make sure it wasn't an issue with the mac software. However, booting from the same SD card with noobs works fine, and if I install raspbian through there it also goes through successfully
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[0:08] <st3fann> Ultimately trying to install CrankShaft OS that cannot be done through noobs, so I don't know what's going on and causing this flash not to want to boot
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[0:10] <shauno> akk: maybe cheat with something like https://github.com/billw2/rpi-clone ?
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[0:11] <akk> shauno: Maybe; I wonder if it works.
[0:12] <akk> It looks kind of elaborate, but I may try it. Except now, I have destroyed by original installation by trying to resize the partition in gparted
[0:13] <akk> so now I have to go through the whole start-from-scratch, update, install, configure etc. rigamarole. :(
[0:13] <shauno> I'd normally just try rsync or tar, but I'm also lazy
[0:13] <akk> (the very scenario I was trying to avoid by having some way to back it up)
[0:14] <akk> rsync -av does essentially the same thing as cp -ax, which apparently doesn't work.
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[0:17] <st3fann> anyone know what could be causing this? I am following the official instructions word for word and have some linux admin experience, but I can'
[0:18] <st3fann> can't seem to get any signal through HDMI, and about 30 seconds in the pi reboots but still nothing
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[0:24] <shauno> akk, rsync should work. I'll give it a spin sometime this weekend. but not at 11pm
[0:24] <friendofafriend> st3fann: HDMI can be fickle. The cable can be at fault, from quality or length.
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[0:25] <st3fann> friendofafriend: I've tried with two different cables that are tested working, and the microSD with noobs on it boots just fine, if I install raspbian through there it installs successfully too and boots after install
[0:25] <friendofafriend> Have you tested the config_hdmi_boost option?
[0:25] <st3fann> but flashing raspbian on the microsd (as well as crankshaft) doesn't give me any signal to hdmi
[0:26] <friendofafriend> Oh, you're saying it works on some other distro. Then it's hard to say. Try cec-client.
[0:26] <akk> shauno: I'll be interested to hear if you eventually find a working way to duplicate a card. I've been trying to find a way for a long time.
[0:27] <st3fann> friendofafriend: I think there's something wrong with the flash, but I have tried through etcher and rufus, and with multiple OSs and versions of each
[0:28] <friendofafriend> st3fann: It is that you're not getting HDMI output, or that the install isn't booting at all?
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[0:28] <st3fann> friendofafriend: the install isn't booting at all
[0:29] <Khaytsus> st3fann: what leds are you seeing
[0:29] <st3fann> the red light goes on, then the activity light flashes like it's reading, then about 30 seconds in, the pi restarts itsself and the same thing happens again but with no more reboots
[0:29] <friendofafriend> Neat. What's your power supply?
[0:29] <Khaytsus> bad flash.. just dd it again
[0:29] <st3fann> so red light off, HDMI and power from USB stops, and then it starts the same process again
[0:29] <Khaytsus> And you're sure you've checked the checksum?
[0:30] <Khaytsus> And using the latest raspbian image, not some old thing?
[0:30] <st3fann> I tried flashing 2 versions of crankshaft and one version of raspbian, and flashed about 15 times now with both etcher and rufus
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[0:30] <Khaytsus> What power?
[0:30] <st3fann> yeah latest version, I didn't check the checksum, but etcher did verify it after flashing and it was fine
[0:30] <Khaytsus> what? that's meaningless.
[0:30] <st3fann> it came with a power supply, let me check
[0:30] <Khaytsus> Check the iso itself
[0:30] <Khaytsus> Writing the same bad data it wasn't given isn't a good test
[0:31] <st3fann> class 2, 5V, 2.4A
[0:31] <st3fann> let me check that now
[0:31] <Khaytsus> yeah should be fine
[0:32] <st3fann> just downloading software to check the checksum now
[0:33] <st3fann> yeah, the file looks fine
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[0:35] <st3fann> md5 and SHA's all match up
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[0:36] <st3fann> the only thing I am thinking now is the microSD adapter that I am using could be causing some issues? But it's the same one I used to transfer noobs over and like I said that works fine and boots
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[0:41] <st3fann> also I just noticed, the red light goes off a few seconds after the system starts, green was flashing sporadically, then solid, then restarts and same thing happens again
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[0:43] <shauno> I'd be tempted to look in the config to see if they've purposely disabled hdmi
[0:44] <shauno> looking at their getting started page ( https://github.com/opencardev/crankshaft/wiki/Getting-started-with-Crankshaft ) it looks like they're specifically intending it for the official touchscreen, not hdmi, so it wouldn't surprise me to find config tailored to that
[0:44] <st3fann> shauno: I don't think so, since it's meant to run off a touchscreen via HDMI, and also I tried the same with the latest raspbian image and it also does not boot
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[0:45] <shauno> the touchscreen they're using there doesn't use hdmi, it connects using the ribbon cables on the pi
[0:46] <shauno> I can't remember what the config file is called, either config or config.txt? in the /boot partition, the only partition that'll show up if you mount the sdcard in a mac or windows PC
[0:46] <st3fann> I'll check that out
[0:46] <shauno> I'd be tempted to go in there, comment out any line that mentions hdmi, and see what difference it makes. worst case scenario you can laugh at me and either put it back how you found it, or image it again
[0:47] <st3fann> but also no signal when I flash the official raspbian image which Im assuming doesnt have HDMI disabled
[0:47] <st3fann> at this point, I have spent over 3 hours trying to get this flashed on, so I'll take any advice I can get :)
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[0:47] <shauno> yeah, that should work. I misunderstood, I thought you had raspbian working
[0:48] <st3fann> through noobs, when I put that on the SD card without flashing it boots, then installing raspbian from noobs also works and boots fine
[0:48] <st3fann> I've considered maybe modifying the noobs files so I can install crankshaft through there? Not sure if possible
[0:49] <st3fann> #hdmi_safe=1 <-- this line?
[0:49] <shauno> that could be worth uncommenting too, just to try
[0:49] <st3fann> https://pastebin.com/raw/6QNzDmPC
[0:50] <shauno> but if raspbian isn't getting hdmi up I'd try that first. if nothing else, people have heard of it so can better offer advice
[0:50] <st3fann> I don't think it's an issue with HDMI to be honest, just because after about 30 seconds the PI restarts, so that has to be some kind of issue with the boot files I would assume
[0:51] <shauno> raspbian should do that the first time, but only the first time
[0:51] <st3fann> that's both with raspbian and crankshaft
[0:51] <st3fann> hmm
[0:51] <shauno> (it resizes the partition its on to the size of your card, which needs a reboot to complete because it's resizing a partition that's in use. but only once)
[0:52] <st3fann> let me try flashing that and seeing if it happens several times
[0:52] <st3fann> also will check out it's config file
[0:52] <shauno> I wouldn't be surprised if crankshaft does that too, because it's a good solution to an obvious problem (not all sd cards are the same size)
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[0:53] <st3fann> yeah makes sense
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[1:30] <ch4pp> i have probably a stupid question. i bought a RSP 3+ and plan to run steam link on it. i am currently downloading the OS but i plugged the RSP into power and connected to my TV but there is nothing on the screen. the ethernet lights are dimmly lit and not flashing, ethernet not connected, the fan is spinning. is this normal? will the RSP not post without an SD card?
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[1:33] <d0rm0us3> 3+ has a fan?
[1:33] <d0rm0us3> You do need a sd card to boot
[1:34] <ch4pp> no i bought a case with a fan and some heatsinks
[1:35] <ch4pp> so i put a blank SD card in the pi but still no post. i realize theres nothing to boot up and thats fine but i worry this pi is bad
[1:35] <d0rm0us3> get the os in place and then try again.
[1:35] <d0rm0us3> Also monitor the led's
[1:35] <ch4pp> with power and ethernet connected but no OS, will there be any RX TX on the ethernet lights?
[1:36] <ch4pp> i just figured the pi was like a PC, even with no storage, it will still POST
[1:37] <d0rm0us3> erm... don't think the pi has a bios.
[1:37] <d0rm0us3> but I could be wrong... I'm a noob
[1:38] <ch4pp> also i just realized i have no way of getting the raspberian on the SD card, at this time anyways. i dont suppose there is a way to boot it up somehow with ethernet support and get it to DL raspberian?
[1:38] <plugwash> The SoC has a boot rom (it has to, reading an SD card is not exactly trivial) , but it's pretty damn minimal. No user interaction or bringing up the display or anything like that.
[1:39] <ch4pp> ah ok, that makes sense and answers my last question
[1:40] <plugwash> IIRC the 3B+ *is* capable of network boot out of the box, but the network boot code is pretty finiky
[1:40] <ch4pp> wonder how if the SoC cant even bring up a display
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[1:41] <ch4pp> i wonder if i install the SD card in my phone, if etcher can write the OS through my phone connected via USB
[1:41] <plugwash> they found just about enough space in the boot rom to bring the network controller up and do a very minimal and finiky dhcp and tftp client.
[1:41] <dTal> doubtful
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[1:42] <plugwash> ch4pp, if you have an *old* andriod phone it may be possible.
[1:42] <dTal> it has to be "mass storage" and not "MTP"
[1:42] <plugwash> right, which afaict means something like andriod 2.x
[1:43] <dTal> I think you had a choice at least up to 4
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[1:46] <ch4pp> hmm yea i have a new htc g7 and the PC sees the SD card but doesnt assign a drive letter
[1:49] <ch4pp> i dont suppose i can extract all the files from the raspberian IMG file and copy it to the SD card
[1:53] <plugwash> you won't be able to use a conventional image that way but you may be able to use noobs
[1:54] <ch4pp> in the rasberian img, theres a 0.fat file and another img file. wonder if i can just drag and drop that into the SD card via the phone
[1:55] <plugwash> I would try copying the noobs files ( https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/ ) to the SD card using your phone, I think that should work assuming it's a new SD card
[1:56] <plugwash> you can't use a normal raspbian image as that relies on there being multiple partitions on the card which you can't set up using your phone, but I think you can use noobs which only needs a fat32 partition on the card for the intiial boot (and will then re-partition the card for you and set up your OS)
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[1:57] <ch4pp> hmm ok ill try that
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[2:01] <ch4pp> i should have just brought my work laptop home that has an SD card reader... i was hoping to get this setup tonight...
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[2:13] <DanielTheFox> argh
[2:13] <DanielTheFox> slightly upsetting, now it's common not to have a nearby SD card reader
[2:14] <DanielTheFox> (thankfully I have two nearby computers with one built-in SD card reader each)
[2:17] <plugwash> hmm, do laptops no longer tend to come with SD card readers as standard?
[2:17] <friendofafriend> Mine has one, but I'm told it's less common.
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[2:19] <friendofafriend> Then again, using "old trash" here. You could always rig a second SD card reader to your Raspi. Or boot your Raspi from USB and write SD cards with the slot. Or network boot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMLaNqOBdvk
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[2:20] <plugwash> things do change without you realising, I remember last time I tried to give a presentation struggling to hook up my x220 to the projector because the venue was newfangled and set up for HDMI rather than VGA
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[2:22] <plugwash> and while they had adapters for mini-displayport they didn't have any for full-size dispalyport (though fourtunately one of the other atendees had a displayport to mini displayport adapter which I was able to chain with the aforementioned mini displayport to hdmi)
[2:22] <binaryhermit> You also could buy a USB SD reader
[2:24] <swift110> hey all
[2:24] <friendofafriend> You could also solder wires onto an SD-to-microSD converter, as shown. https://othermod.com/raspberry-pi-zero-external-sd-card-adapter/
[2:25] <friendofafriend> Howdy, swift110.
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[2:27] <DanielTheFox> yeah, I'm using super old stuff here
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[2:27] <DanielTheFox> all my monitors are VGA, been unable to get an HDMI one
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[2:33] <nine_9> hey guys, i would like to use a rpi2 in a display that only has component input (not composite), is there any reason why one of these cheap converters (powered signal converter) wouldn't work with the rpi? thanks
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[2:34] <friendofafriend> nine_9: Nope, buy with confidence.
[2:34] <nine_9> friendofafriend: thank you :)
[2:35] <friendofafriend> Always welcome.
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[2:36] <DanielTheFox> nine_9: as a harmless and side note if you're lacking money, I think you can still directly connect the composite output to one of the three component inputs: one of them has the luminance and sync signals
[2:36] <DanielTheFox> of course, you'll get B&W output
[2:36] <DanielTheFox> ...and that assuming it even works
[2:37] <DanielTheFox> (then, I'd like to see what comes out)
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[2:38] <nine_9> DanielTheFox: yes, there's a way to disable what they call 'colorburst' in rpi and then you get working b/w video, but colors are important :D... thanks for the heads up though ;)
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[4:23] <tberb> ?
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[4:23] <tberb> Hey, anyone else run into issues with the 3B+ and not being able to play audio over bluetooth
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[7:57] <speeedy> hi, would this work to power on and power off rpi ? https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=714&area=en
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[8:02] <immibis> speeedy: i think you would need some extra circuitry to make it work
[8:02] <immibis> so no
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[8:13] <speeedy> do you know of a product, a simple remote that could do the on/off ?
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[9:33] <nkaikai> Hi folks, I'd like to use a raspberry Pi with Kodi, Mozilla Things + DeConz, Pi-Hole... will I be better off using one of the Kodi distributions and adding everything else as Docker containers or should I use Raspbian and everything as docker container? thx
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[9:51] <Sarayan> Hi, what's actually the difference between vc4-kms-v3d.dtbo and vc4-fkms-v3d.dtbo ?
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[11:57] <iKarith> ooh, Amlogic S922X could be a very nice ARM SoC if the company can get their shtuff together. If it's faster enough, it could cut native compile times a bit. Currently my fastest compiles are cross-compiles from an i7 machine.
[11:57] <iKarith> It's not a Pi 4, yet. :(
[11:59] <iKarith> (I suspect the Pi 4, whenever it becomes ready, it is not going to be a code-crunching powerhouse anyway… RPF's aiming to build the best thing they can to a price point, etc.)
[11:59] <Habbie> was just going to say, yes :)
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[12:02] <iKarith> Habbie: I like Pi being built to a cost, all the code I'm building is for the Pi anyway, it's just not the fastest development machine when you need to recompile everything AGAIN.
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[12:02] <iKarith> I almost bought a RockChip SBC for a little more … more. But it wasn't much real performance for quite a bit extra cost over a Pi.
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[12:03] <iKarith> Actually, John Brooks did something really cool with an Orange Pi Zero Plus 2 I think it was … the one HDMI but no ethernet.
[12:04] <iKarith> He has it talking to a second ARM chip and a CPLD, all starting up in literally a few seconds to provide a video card for an Apple II.
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[12:05] <iKarith> He's only using one core of the Orange Pi's chip. I dunno what he's doing with the other ARM or how many free gates he's got left to work with, but … if he sells enough of the things, I'm lobbying for a "6502GL" :)
[12:06] <iKarith> Partly because I'm insane :P
[12:08] <iKarith> Kinda targeted at like SNES-SuperFX-style graphics.
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm 6502 :)
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> the issue there is balancing the speed and ability of the little chips against the physical resolution of the displays - so it's easy to stick VGA/HDMI onto an 8-bit processor, but when the framebuffer takes up 100x the addressable RAM of the 8-bt micro it becomes somewhat challenging :)
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[12:35] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: The Apple IIgs has a physical resolution of 640x200, if the drawing was being offloaded to a GPU, you could easily supply data to be drawn (particularly if not every pixel must be changed) at 1MHz. The IIgs runs about 2.6MHz-ish (faster, but there's some slow bus writes there)
[12:37] <iKarith> particularly for SuperFX-type graphics which were flat shaded and simple texture-shaded polygons. I'd go a little further with the design of such a thing and include a sprite engine that makes sense if you're used to tiling graphics chips and support for multiple layers.
[12:39] <iKarith> If the GPU is rendering OpenGL ES on the back-end at a logical resolution of 640x200 (physical resolution of 1080p), the 6502 should be able to tell it what to draw and be able to keep up with it just fine. :)
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[12:39] <iKarith> Actually, the IIgs has a port of Wolfenstein 3D. To run it full-screen, you want a CPU accellerator that runs at about 7MHz or maybe faster for some 3rd party levels that are sprite-heavy.
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[12:42] <iKarith> If the 65C816 need not do any of the rendering and can just be fed geometry, textures, and sprites … you almost wouldn't need an '816 to handle the game logic anymore. In fact I bet you wouldn't. The 1 bit DAC sound of the older Apple II would suck, but if you had a SAM card or a Mockingboard (dual AY-3-8910s), or the IIgs's Ensoniq sound chip … any of those works.
[12:43] <iKarith> No, on second thought, I don't want to try and run game logic and mix even 8-bit audio for a SAM card's basic DAC.
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, hi - yes, jsut read on the Apple II device. uses 'normal' apple II resolutions. The IIgs has a slightyl gaster 816 in it though.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> old fan of the 6502 here - I'm in the process of laying out my 65816 system - current 6502 is a nice working test-bed for it.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> the 'graphics card' is a Pi Zero :)
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[13:11] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: Henry Courbis might want to talk to you about that.
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[13:13] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: He's trying to do similar sort of things with a Pi Zero to what the VidHD does, but at last check was having issues getting the Pi Zero to read in a consistent and timely manner around the Linux scheduler.
[13:13] <iKarith> Since the VC4 controls the GPIO, not the ARM chip, it's likely even more complex a task
[13:14] <iKarith> Have you seen Dave Murray's description of his notion of an "ideal" 6502/65C816 system?
[13:16] <iKarith> Basically he wants the C64's fullscreen editing features, more RAM, same instant-on to BASIC, and real disk/file commands the C64 lacked, probably with modern SD storage.
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> the 8-bit guy?
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> if so, then yes, and I know about the Foenix project.
[13:18] <iKarith> The Pi isn't that, because a modern SoC is never going to be that—too complex—but it could've been kinda close I think. Could still be with a hyper-focused kernel, etc.
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> I don't know who HC is though.
[13:19] <iKarith> Two different people's similar ideas, but yeah
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> My interface isn't reliant on any sort of timing whatsoever.
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[13:19] <iKarith> One's a wishlist, the other's an actual prototype :D
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> I have signed up for the foenix thing, but if I get my own 816 board ready in-time, then who knows.
[13:19] <iKarith> I suggested I kinda wanted to see David's suggestion expanded to borrow a couple ideas from the Apple II and from UNIX.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> My ideas of what an 816 system should look like are very different from the foenix's though.
[13:20] <iKarith> Namely from the Apple II that any I/O device could be the "terminal" if you redirect I/O to it, and from UNIX the idea that everything's just a terminal, including the local console.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> although the foenix would be a nice little development platform for me :)
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> well... I own several Apple II, IIe's ... and the Apple II was the first "proper" computer I used a little over 40 years ago :)
[13:21] <iKarith> being able to redirect text terminal through serial port while developing graphics is really handy.
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[13:22] <iKarith> If you got a commodore's fullscreen editor experience when you did so if your terminal was moderately VT100+ANSI color … that'd be kinda neat. :)
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> I know nothing about commodore systems past the PET ..
[13:23] <iKarith> you know how the Apple II had like escape codes so you could "retype" code without typing it?
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Being in the UK, I went from apple II to BBC Micro..
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> you know I said I own several Apple II's ...
[13:24] <iKarith> Yeah, but I managed to go 15 years without learning about those little tricks.
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> and the BBC Micro has a similar screen-copy function too.
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:24] <iKarith> Well, the C64 at least doesn't need them. Just arrow up, and then arrow over what you want to "type".
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> same as the PEt.
[13:25] <iKarith> Yeah, didn't know if it worked that way on the PET.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> I used a PET one for a course I did, but really didn't like them.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> The vic20 & C64 are just PETs with memory, colour and sound ... although I'm sure true fans will dispute that :)
[13:26] <iKarith> Knowing the differences between the VIC-20 and C64, I would. :)
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[13:27] <iKarith> But BASIC and KERNAL ROMs are mostly the same. BASIC is entirely the same, bug for bug. And there ARE bugs in that version
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> good old Microsoft BASIC!
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> https://unicorn.drogon.net/ruby-pcb0.jpg
[13:27] <iKarith> Those exist mostly because Jack Trameil is a cheap bastard who'd never pay for anything he could reuse for free by exploiting the contract.
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> erm, possibly, but maybe tone it down a tiny little notch here...
[13:29] <iKarith> typed without thinking, sorry, but basically true all the same. It's part of his charm.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> although I know that passions fly in the world of retro computing ... it'll be z80 vs 6502 next ;-)
[13:29] <iKarith> There's about 8 main variants of MS BASIC for 6502 out there.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> I know. I have the sources.
[13:30] <iKarith> some a little more limited to save RAM, some a little older for bugs, etc. Commodore's is one of the older and buggier versions. :D
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> my little board can run applesoft.
[13:30] <iKarith> It's estimated that Apple stopped selling the Apple IIe to schools only when the BASIC license ran out.
[13:31] <iKarith> They gave Microsoft a couple things for the Mac that were worthless to extend their license until about 1992, but when it ran out … they just killed it off.
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> they stopped in the UK the day the BBC Micro was announced - mostly because it was 1/5 the price.
[13:32] <iKarith> And the Beeb was hideously expensive as it was.
[13:32] <iKarith> I'd still like to get one someday.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> but .. 5 Beebs for one Apple... Go figure.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> you're in the US?
[13:32] <iKarith> Yeah
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> they're rare and alien over there. Cheap on ebay here.
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[13:33] <iKarith> US$300 by the time I get one imported here, just because the ones that are cheap won't sell overseas. Customs suck.
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[13:33] <Sarayan> gordonDrogon: Pff, 68000, of course
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> Sarayan, wring timeframe though - atari/amiga were after bbc/pet/apple/vic20/etc.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> although others might suggest the 6809, but nice, but too little, too late, sadly.
[13:35] <iKarith> Plus once I got it, I'd have to either replace the PSU or arrange a step-up transformer, and I know I haven't got a CRT that'll take a PAL signal. OSSC might do what I want.
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[13:35] <iKarith> I also have neither an ST nor an Amiga for reasons of $ridiculous.
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[13:35] <iKarith> Especially for Amiga
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> the cheap little portable TV I have here takes both PAL and NTSC - it would surprise me if something over there wouldn't do the same.
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[13:36] <iKarith> I was all set to get a nice A600 once I'd saved a little more
[13:36] <iKarith> Then boom, Vampire 2 for A600!
[13:36] <iKarith> Last one I saw for sale was $600 asking price.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> I think the beeb can be made to run on 110v.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> I'd need to check though.
[13:37] <iKarith> Sure, it doesn't want anything special for voltages. ±12vdc, ±5vdc.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> it only needs + and - 5v though.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> the psu provides 12v for external disk drive power.
[13:38] <iKarith> And it probably only needs a few mW of -5v.
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> only for the DRAM I think.
[13:40] <iKarith> I just think the Beeb is a cool machine and would like to play with one sometime. The Electron might be easier for ME to get (not appreciably though), but it's so much of a compromise… :(
[13:40] <iKarith> Like what were Acorn thinking? levels of compromise.
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> actually - the -5v supply is just for the speaker amplifer IIRC. I do remember running a Beeb off a 12V car battery at one point.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> many people have many ideas about the electron, but it was to compete with the newly emerging things like the Spectrum and Vic20 IIRC.
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> but sine my little Ruby board also runs BBC Basic, then if that's all you want, I'll send you one :)
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> one of my ideas was to take retro hardware and "re-imagine" it with some modern ideas and so on.
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> The 6502 never really had an "operating system" like CP/M, etc. so some sort of command-liney thing was my initial thinking but the mor I played with the system the more it sort of became like the BBC Micro operating system.
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[13:48] <iKarith> The 6502 never really did have anything even remotely unified as an OS.
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[13:49] <iKarith> Closest you get was MS BASIC, and that didn't include program storage except as extensions
[13:50] <iKarith> But even there, exceptions were many.
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[13:50] <dTal> I'd like to see modern hardware reimagined as an 80s style personal computer, but with a modern twist
[13:51] <dTal> I want to boot up instantly, into a fun IDE
[13:52] <iKarith> dTal: I've often thought I would like to see the Pi with an idiotproofing HAT become something more or less instant-on.
[13:53] <indomitable> iKarith, an idiot-proofing hat is called a helmet!
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> The old systems booted into basic - The Acorn (BBC) OS did that too, but underneath there was a command-line interface - the "star" commands. The OS was like a very posh BIOS so as long as the current language talked to the OS then everything worked.
[13:53] <dTal> I think the way to do it is to pick a nice fast compiled but dynamic language with a good repl, boot straight to it, and write the entire rest of the userland in that
[13:53] <iKarith> indomitable: I was thinking short-circuit protection and polyfuses on 5v-compatible GPIOs.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> my plan is to boot into the command-line OS, then select a language rom - e.g. BASIC, BCPL or pascal, or an editor and off you go.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> dTal, BCPL :)
[13:54] <dTal> seems a bit spartan
[13:54] <iKarith> If you have modernish hardware (any Pi), I'd suggest a Python IDE would be a good thing to boot into
[13:55] <dTal> yuck no
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> I did boot a Pi directly into RTB Basic at one point - however it still took 5 seconds to load kernel, startup the filesystem and USB (for keyboard)
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> not everyone likes python though.
[13:55] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: True, options are good.
[13:55] <dTal> Python is great and I program a huge amount in it, but it's slow and sometimes inelegant
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> BCPL is spartan - it was designed in 1965
[13:55] <iKarith> and I don't think a CLI IDE of the kind I am thinking would be ideal even exists for Python.
[13:56] <dTal> My personal choice would be Chez Scheme
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> however whole operating systems have been written in it - e.g. the first Amiga Tripos ..
[13:56] <iKarith> dTal: We've been talking about Microsoft 6502 floating point BASIC.
[13:56] <iKarith> Python "slow" … ;)
[13:56] <dTal> inefficient then if you prefer
[13:57] * gordonDrogon sticks to BASIC :)
[13:57] <iKarith> "inefficient" ;)
[13:57] <dTal> I'm willing to bet that Microsoft BASIC is faster than Python on the same hardware
[13:57] <dTal> almost everything is
[13:57] <iKarith> dTal: MS BASIC for 6502s would turn your hair as white as mine. :)
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> I did some crude bnchmarks with RTB and php & python - RTB was faster than PHP and about the same speed as Python for a few trivial tasks.
[13:58] <dTal> iKarith: how does it compare with TI-BASIC on a z80 calculator? :p
[13:58] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: Obviously your little board should boot into Forth.
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, no.
[13:58] <dTal> Forth is just user-unfriendly lisp
[13:58] <Khaytsus> Fight me?
[13:58] <iKarith> dTal: TI-BASIC can at least multiply and divide without executing machine language programs to do it?
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> I was paid money once to write a lot of forth. I'm sill not a fan.
[13:59] <dTal> iKarith: well it's interpreted, so every command executes a "machine language program"...
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[13:59] <dTal> you mean, it has multiply and divide built in to the language? yes... does MS BASIC for 6502 not?
[13:59] <iKarith> dTal: you don't understand. The 6502 processor does not HAVE multiply or divide instructions.
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> RTB is written in C ..
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[14:00] <iKarith> dTal: It doesn't know what a float is either.
[14:00] <Sarayan> the 6502 knows 8 bits values and addition, and that's essentially it
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> it can subtract!
[14:01] <Sarayan> actually it can invert the bits before adding
[14:01] <Sarayan> which is why the carry has a different meaning for add and sub
[14:01] <iKarith> I think it will actually invert, add one, then add.
[14:01] <Sarayan> no, it won't add one, it will add the carry
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> SBC ..
[14:02] <iKarith> oh, crap you're right, you have to set carry if you want to subtract with two's compliment.
[14:02] <iKarith> I forget :P
[14:02] <Sarayan> :-)
[14:02] * Sarayan <- emulator specialist
[14:03] <dTal> iKarith: neither does Z80
[14:03] <dTal> that's what your interpreter is for
[14:03] <iKarith> dTal: There's alos instances in MS BASIC where the code will search each line of code (which are not sorted) to find the next number of line in your program.
[14:04] <Sarayan> I know of no cpu that has substract-specific adder in any case, it's just that the more advanced ones invert the carry transparently
[14:04] <dTal> yes this all sounds like TI-BASIC
[14:04] <Sarayan> plus compute V slightly differently iirc
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> I've not found some ieee 754 math routines for the 6502 yet. might have to write them for my system.
[14:04] <iKarith> So iteratively going through a whole deck of cards to see if a particular card is there, then going through it again to see if the next one is there, then …
[14:05] <Sarayan> gordonDrogon: simulate a fpu? ;-)
[14:05] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: MS format isn't IEEE 754.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, that's why I don't want MS (or Woz) format.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> Sarayan, yes, but so simulate an fpu, I need to write one ...
[14:06] <Sarayan> don't you have an arm with hard fp handy?
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> no.
[14:06] <Sarayan> oh, it's not you then
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I do have an ATmega handy though - it's not impossible that I may use that initially to do the FP stuff.
[14:06] <iKarith> He's playing with through-hole-era stuff :)
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> Sarayan, https://unicorn.drogon.net/ruby-pcb0.jpg
[14:07] <Sarayan> cute
[14:08] <Sarayan> I like the yellow "oops"
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> ah, no..
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> that's no an oops wire.
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[14:08] <Sarayan> that's the one you have to cut to prevent the detonation?
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to tell from this earlier version: https://unicorn.drogon.net/IMG_20181115_164041.jpg
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> it's 2 x 32x8 RAM chips stacked - the yellow wire is the CE pin from the top one.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> (32Kx8)
[14:09] <Sarayan> ohhhh
[14:10] <Khaytsus> gordonDrogon: So you power the board off the same serial port you use to communicate with it?
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[14:11] <Sarayan> and the usb-to-serial adapter has more cpu power than the board :-)
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> it takes about 100mA when running at 16Mhz - plus a few more when I light the LEDs.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> Sarayan, well the big chip on the left is an ATmega1284p .. so ...
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> 100x the transistor count of the 6502...
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[14:17] <iKarith> gordonDrogon: actually, the project I have in the back of my head lately is seeing if I can get enough of a qemu pi emulation going to let me bake and easily test OS images in an automated fashion.
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[14:18] <iKarith> I dunno if qemu's actually emulating enough actual hardware to di it.
[14:19] <iKarith> First look says no, but who knows how outdated what I found was.
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> do you mean Linux/Pi images, or images for other CPUs?
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I sort of like having real hardware, hence the Apple IIs and BBC Micro/Masters.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> and others in my small retro collection.
[14:23] <iKarith> like pi-gen output products
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[15:02] <janco> lol
[15:02] <janco> windows 10 ARM can run on the rpi
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[15:09] <indomitable> janco, we know
[15:09] <indomitable> we have known for days
[15:09] <indomitable> THIS IS OLD NEWS. :
[15:09] <indomitable> :(*
[15:09] <janco> ok
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[15:23] <Habbie> indomitable, or, you could be nice
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[15:45] <g105b> I am building a device using the Compute Module, but a new requirement is that it needs an Ethernet port. Would anyone be able to recommend the best approach for adding Ethernet to the CM3+?
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> same as a Pi - usb hub + ethernet port...
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> an alternative might be an SPI ethernet device- these do work on the Pi, but are much slower.
[15:50] <BurtyB> g105b, I'd go with the same IC as they used on the older Pi - schematic should be out there somewhere but it looks like they've removed it from their site :(
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[16:06] <Tenkawa> yay
[16:06] <Tenkawa> Linux rpi3 4.19.0-3-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.20-1 (2019-02-11) aarch64 GNU/Linux
[16:06] <Tenkawa> got my arm64 box up and running
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[16:22] <RoyK> Tenkawa: nice :)
[16:24] <Tenkawa> yeah.. now to put it through the tests
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[16:26] <Tenkawa> compiling a newer kernel for it now
[16:27] <Tenkawa> or trying to
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[16:34] <RoyK> Tenkawa: v5?
[16:36] <Tenkawa> nah.. just 4.20 for now
[16:37] <Tenkawa> just want to make sure
[16:37] <Tenkawa> going to 4.20 with clang natively on it works ok
[16:38] <Tenkawa> I've really like what i've seen with llvm/clang so far since I've been using it
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[18:19] <DanielTheFox> :3
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[18:30] <Tenkawa> I really shouldve trimmed down this generic config though
[18:30] <Tenkawa> its building so much that I dont need
[18:31] <Tenkawa> I usually do but I figured this time... why not
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[20:46] <jancoow> ugh'
[20:46] <jancoow> I guess there is no way to fix a died pin on the rpi? The RX pin is definitly broken and I can't find another pi
[20:46] <jancoow> they are all in use..
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[20:56] <jancoow> the weird thing is that normal input is still working
[20:56] <jancoow> on the RX pin
[20:56] <jancoow> when configured as input
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[21:07] <jancoow> when using piscope I can clearly see, when I connect TX directly to RX, that the TX output is received correctly on the RX input...
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[21:07] <jancoow> however it doesn't receive the characters in the console :/
[21:07] <jancoow> which is pretty strange to me. It looks like the pin itself is working fine
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[21:10] <jancoow> uart-pl011 3f201000.serial: could not find pctldev for node /soc/gpio@7e200000/uart0_pins, deferring probe
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[21:13] <BurtyB> jancoow, if you're not using bluetooth you could try switching the uarts around
[21:14] <jancoow> how can I do that? :)
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[21:16] <jancoow> what the duck.. I just checked my config and there wasn't enable_uart=1 in it.. Add it and now it's working again 0.o . I don't really get it; I didn't change that file in months and suddenly it didn't work anymore lol
[21:16] <jancoow> but after a reboot a few days back it stopped working. I was afraid it was because a... little accident with a 12v line :P
[21:18] <BurtyB> heh :)
[21:18] <jancoow> anyway happy it works again.. Still a bit strange tho
[21:18] <jancoow> Note that TX was working fine lol; only RX not
[21:19] * DanielTheFox hugs jancoow and says phew, glad nothing happened
[21:19] <jancoow> haha
[21:19] * DanielTheFox has suffered pranks like that and only a hug can calm us from such a thing
[21:19] <jancoow> yeah otherwise I had to swap one of the pi's in the house which isn't using uart
[21:19] <jancoow> not a big deal
[21:20] <jancoow> they are all using network boot so swapping doesn't take long :P
[21:23] <indomitable> prank, is that like shooting someone in the knee and laughing at them?
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[21:27] <jancoow> depends shooting with what
[21:27] <jancoow> watergun?
[21:27] <indomitable> no, I mean a handgun
[21:27] <indomitable> anywhere between .22 and .45
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[21:30] <Tenkawa> just so many things wrong there
[21:32] <jancoow> I don't know anything about guns
[21:32] <jancoow> People just shouldn't have guns
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[21:42] <jancoow> still my updi programmer doesn't work UGH
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[21:58] <jancoow> lol I found the bin with the spare pi's :P
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[21:59] <jancoow> I knew they would be somewhere
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[23:09] <Tenkawa> yay the kernel is "almost" done compiling
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[23:11] <DanielTheFox> :3
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[23:24] <dury> hi there channel :-)
[23:25] <dury> anyone did install joomla cms on pi3?
[23:27] <dury> latest stable joomla?
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[23:47] <Tenkawa> 2000_
[23:47] <Tenkawa> err 2000+ modules
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[23:48] <Tenkawa> i will definitely be trimming that down for later builds
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