#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-02-21

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[0:43] <d0rm0us3> gordonDrogon, a moment of your time?
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[0:50] <NeoThermic> mrr, I take it there's no way to disable the LED on the Pi 1b?
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[0:53] <RoyK> NeoThermic: dunno, but a soldering iron and a wee nudge would do it
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[0:56] <RoyK> or just a pair of pliers :)
[0:56] <NeoThermic> RoyK, was hoping for less destructive. Might go for tape
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[1:00] <NeoThermic> also applying a small heatsink to the thing bought it down by 13c, so happy with that
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[1:05] <d0rm0us3> soldering iron, solder wick, and a piece of approp. sized spaghetti
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[1:06] <Lartza> the green led can be disabled but the red will always be on
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[1:07] <NeoThermic> Lartza, it's a Pi 1B, so it's even worse, as there's also the network lights on the board itself :P
[1:08] <NeoThermic> but a bit of black tape has silenced..? the LEDs
[1:08] <DanielTheFox> noisy LEDs :D
[1:10] <NeoThermic> visually noisy, yes :D
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[1:43] <egggs> hi has anyone had any luck using a vpn with rpi ?
[1:44] <Habbie> egggs, i'm sure many people have, do you have a followup question?
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[1:45] <egggs> i have openvpn installed and it says im connected to my vpn but my ip still shows normal
[1:45] <egggs> was hoping i missed somethign simple
[1:46] <Budgii_CAT> question.. forgot my RPi password. i'm in, but i'm trying to VNC into it and can't remember my password. any ideas so i dont have to reinstall?
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[1:46] <Habbie> Budgii_CAT, how are you in?
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[1:48] <Budgii_CAT> Habbie, I dunno, it just let me in when I boot. But when I try and join from W10 on VNC, it says what I thought the PW was is wrong. maybe my usn is wrong?
[1:48] <Budgii_CAT> in termnial, i'm ABC@ABCPI:~
[1:48] <Habbie> Budgii_CAT, does sudo work?
[1:49] <Budgii_CAT> Sudo what
[1:49] <Habbie> sudo -i
[1:49] <Budgii_CAT> I used a sudo something to find my Pi's IP to connect, so .. yes? :p
[1:49] <Habbie> sudo id
[1:49] <Budgii_CAT> Yup it works
[1:49] <Budgii_CAT> Both work
[1:49] <Habbie> ok
[1:50] <Habbie> then i am happy to tell you there is no need to reinstall
[1:50] <Budgii_CAT> YAY
[1:50] <Budgii_CAT> I spent way to much time getting weechat working ;D
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[1:50] <Habbie> however, i have to go so i cannot help you fix the problem right now
[1:50] <Habbie> hehe
[1:50] <Habbie> weechat is so nice, isn't it
[1:50] <Budgii_CAT> lol
[1:50] <Budgii_CAT> can you give me general direction of what I need to research online?
[1:50] <Habbie> 'reset vnc password' i guess?
[1:50] <Budgii_CAT> kk. thanks
[1:51] <Habbie> i'm just saying that if you have shell, and sudo works, you are still in full control of your install, within your abilities, aided by whatever help you can find
[1:51] <Budgii_CAT> thanks for helping Habbie
[1:51] <Habbie> there's nothing you cannot do, if you just know how
[1:51] <Habbie> patience is key
[1:51] <Budgii_CAT> gotcha
[1:51] <Budgii_CAT> thanks!!
[1:51] <Habbie> no problem!
[1:51] <Habbie> i'm happy you're happy :)
[1:51] <Budgii_CAT> :D
[1:51] <Budgii_CAT> peace
[1:53] <toastintheshell> sudo passwd doesn't work?
[1:54] <immibis> I think VNC has its own password... Is there a vncpasswd command?
[1:54] <Budgii_CAT> toastintheshell, lol. Thanks, i'm in now
[1:54] <Budgii_CAT> It could be a setting immibis but changing the pi's PW fixed it
[1:54] <Budgii_CAT> Thank you all! PS Habbie it's fixed now
[1:54] <Habbie> Budgii_CAT, oh well done
[1:54] <Budgii_CAT> Anyone know how to change usn on weechat?
[1:54] <Habbie> usn?
[1:54] <Budgii_CAT> like nick
[1:54] <immibis> probably /nick
[1:54] <Habbie> well that's /nick
[1:54] <Budgii_CAT> i'm Budgii_CAT right now
[1:54] <Budgii_CAT> woot
[1:54] <toastintheshell> Budgii_CAT: you officially haxd yourself
[1:55] <Budgii_CAT> wonderful, thank you guys
[1:55] <toastintheshell> /nick
[1:55] <Budgii_CAT> I'm about ... 8 months absent from RPi and weechat, with little experience so the help is highly appreciated!
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[1:55] <toastintheshell> but you'll have to register the new nick
[1:55] <toastintheshell> I think
[1:55] <Budgii_CAT> It's my main one, Budgii.
[1:55] <Budgii_CAT> going to connect via glowing bear now.
[1:55] <Habbie> toastintheshell, it's not required but it does make freenode and oftc easier to use
[1:56] <toastintheshell> yeah can't use unregistered nick in a lot of rooms like ##linux
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[1:57] <toastinthesmell> looks like #raspberrypi doesn't have that restriction
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[1:57] <Habbie> this channel requires you to be registered
[1:57] <Budgii_CAT> I am.
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[1:59] <toastintheshell> oh, well apparently you can temporarily change your nick without an issue though
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[2:00] <toasterstrudel> test
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[2:00] <toastintheshell> test
[2:00] <Budgii_CAT> toastintheshell, yes correct
[2:01] <Budgii_CAT> now I just need to connect glowing bear to weechat and i'll hop off of hex
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[2:01] <toastintheshell> as long as you join with a registered nick? or does freenode just register your user id based on nick, but then internally use some other identifier?
[2:01] <immibis> you can be logged in as an account that isn't the nick you currently have
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[2:02] <Budgii> See, i'm here toastintheshell
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[2:21] <Budgii> anyone use weechat?
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[2:39] <toastintheshell> Budgii: I am using weechat
[2:40] <toastintheshell> why you ask?
[2:40] <Budgii> toastintheshell: I figured it out. thank you!
[2:40] <toastintheshell> ah, what was the problem?
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[2:42] <toastintheshell> anybody have any experience with enabling zswap on raspbian?
[2:43] <toastintheshell> as a side note, I'm wondering if it might help with latency issues on my LibreElec media server pi
[2:43] <larsks> I think tabakhase has been working with zswap recently...
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[2:44] <toastintheshell> as I understand it, zswap is essentially an in-RAM compression voodoo of some kind yeah?
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[2:48] <toastintheshell> oh, actually I think the one I was looking at that seemed more promising was zram
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[2:49] <toastintheshell> zswap is a type of swap, whereas zram all happens inside ram
[2:49] <toastintheshell> afaict
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[2:51] <toastintheshell> and they don't work too well together because the voodoos don't use the same type of chicken blood or something
[2:54] <toastintheshell> more specifically, one compresses things until it's out of ram, the other takes over after that, so by the time you start using zswap after zram is full, you end up putting everything most recent on disk with the least recent stuff in memory, so it ultimately tends to be as slow or slower than standard memory/swap
[2:55] <toastintheshell> take all that with a grain of salt... point is: one or the other's great, both are not great in tandem
[2:55] <toastintheshell> and from what I've read zram seems like it would be pretty good at adding a little performance boost
[2:57] <bltzfsck>
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[3:26] <toastintheshell> oy, my wlan0 died
[3:27] <toastintheshell> could overheating cause that?
[3:28] <toastintheshell> (rpi3B+)
[3:29] <toastintheshell> seems to happen occasionally when the cpu is running hot
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[3:59] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: is there any PDF or other wiringPi documentation I can have handy offline?
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> (text files, PDF, local HTML pages, maybe even manpages, anything I can have readily available locally
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> )
[4:04] <toastintheshell> there's an examples directory if you downloaded the git.drogon.net version according to the website
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[4:07] <toastintheshell> anybody happen to know if kubevirt for kubernetes works on a raspi cluster?
[4:08] <tabakhase> LarrySteeze red can be turned off to, just needs to be "disarmed from its normal functions" first if i remember right
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[4:09] <tabakhase> smth like `echo gpio > /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger && echo gpio > /sys/class/leds/led1/trigger` + `echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/led0/brightness && echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/led1/brightness` worked if i remember correctly
[4:09] <tabakhase> * Lartza
[4:11] <ball> PKG_DEFAULT_OPTIONS+= -pulseaudio -alsa -lame +oss
[4:11] <ball> ^- that's what I do.
[4:11] <toastintheshell> I was offline for a minute there tabakhase: you weren't talking about ipfire were you?
[4:12] <tabakhase> uhm nope, never heard of - sorry
[4:12] <toastintheshell> oh nevermind, you're talking led stuff aren't you
[4:13] <tabakhase> that was indeed about leds, more specifically status leds on a pi3..
[4:13] <ball> Ooops, that was intended for another channel, sorry.
[4:13] <toastintheshell> tabakhase: it's a router distro I've been playing with, designates network security contexts by color e.g. red=ISP connection network, green=local lan, etc
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[4:35] <magic_ninja> So I think this pi touchscreen cookied
[4:35] <magic_ninja> *cooked
[4:35] <magic_ninja> I disconnected it and can't get the backlight to turn on.
[4:37] <toastintheshell> magic_ninja: do you have another pi to test it on, or another screen to test on the same pi?
[4:37] <magic_ninja> na
[4:38] <magic_ninja> I have a scope though.
[4:38] <magic_ninja> I'll dig into it when I get more time. I'll also make a cable so I can see what the serial console tells me.
[4:38] <magic_ninja> I know I had a power outage, I'm wondering if it just got hit with a surge.
[4:38] <magic_ninja> Seems these Pi's don't really have any kind of protection built in
[4:39] <toastintheshell> naw they are a little prone to power related damage as one of my pis recently discovered the hard way
[4:39] <toastintheshell> RIPinpeace
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[4:40] <magic_ninja> I just bought a camera too. I wanted to play with some image recognition
[4:41] <ball> I would like a camera for my Raspberry Pi.
[4:42] <magic_ninja> they are dirt cheap
[4:42] <ball> magic_ninja: There are other things I need to buy first.
[4:43] <ball> composite video cable, powered USB 2.0 hub, perhaps a two-drive JBOD enclosure.
[4:43] <ball> Some sort of keyboard with a trackpad?
[4:44] <toastintheshell> logitech k400 is a nice cheap wireless keyboard/trackpad that works well
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[4:49] <toastintheshell> oh and it's only $20, that's the important bit
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[4:51] <toastintheshell> comes with a dongle so no bluetooth to mess around with (especially useful on cli only installs and stuff like that where you need a keyboard to just work out of the box)
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[4:51] <toastintheshell> which only takes 1 usb port and very little power from what I can tell
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[4:56] * ball nods
[4:56] <ball> I think I may have found the USB hub, too.
[4:56] <ball> Now for the disk enclosure(s)
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[5:06] <toastintheshell> anybody know if there's any reason an rpi kubernetes cluster couldn't run a docker containing a full linux distro, like a debian container?
[5:07] <toastintheshell> or alternatively a kubevirt virtualized linux instance?
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[5:08] <toastintheshell> basically anything enabling an rpi cluster to run a unified unix of some kind would be perfect
[5:08] <ball> toastintheshell: Is kubernetes portable?
[5:09] <toastintheshell> portable as in could it be made to run on the rpi?
[5:09] <toastintheshell> it is pretty decently well-documented how to do so
[5:09] * ball hasn't looked
[5:09] <immibis> it would have to be an ARM distro
[5:10] <toastintheshell> yeah, I'm pretty comfortable in debian-based distros, and debian runs on potatos and such
[5:10] <toastintheshell> not sure if kubevirt runs on arm, but there are docker images for arm debian from what i'm seeing
[5:11] <toastintheshell> so would kubernetes be able to run any arbitrary arm-compatible docker image is the million dollar question I guess
[5:11] <toastintheshell> because then I'm one step closer to my very own uberpi
[5:12] <ball> brb, rebooting my wireless bridge.
[5:12] <toastintheshell> start with a little 8 pi cluster and work my way up from there
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[5:14] <ball> Wow, that fixed it!
[5:14] <ball> toastintheshell: I've considered building a four node cluster but can't really justify the expense.
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[5:19] <toastintheshell> ball suppose you could put linux on 4 pis at once
[5:20] <ball> toastintheshell: I don't usually use Linux but I may have to use that in this case.
[5:22] <ball> toastintheshell: Sorry, I interrupted you.
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[5:26] <toastintheshell> hm, doesn't appear to have windows for arm images on the docker hub, but I'd imagine there's a good chance you could get arm windows in a docker
[5:26] <toastintheshell> or maybe a real operating system like a unix lol
[5:28] <toastintheshell> other applications for an rpi cluster not involving kubernetes include running arbitrary python code, or certain applications with cluster-ready features like using it as a blender renderfarm, etc.
[5:29] * ball <- BSD user
[5:29] <toastintheshell> oh even better, more linuxy than linux even
[5:29] <ball> ...and I wanted the cluster mostly to experiment with MPI
[5:31] <toastintheshell> nice
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[5:46] <toastintheshell> ball: looks like no bsds in the docker hub either, though looking into kubevirt, it seems you should be able to run just about any OS (assuming you can get kubevirt running on an rpi cluster)
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[5:47] <toastintheshell> not sure if kubevirt can virtualize x86 on arm, or if it can, if the performance would be worth a damn, but you could certainly run an arm64 BSD build
[5:47] <toastintheshell> again, that is assuming you can get kubevirt working
[5:48] <ball> toastintheshell: BSDs generally use jails for containers, I think.
[5:48] <ball> toastintheshell: FreeBSD does, anyway.
[5:48] <ball> Solaris and Illumos have Zones
[5:49] <ball> Kubernetes may just be a Linux thing
[5:49] <ball> ...or docker, rather
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[5:49] <toastintheshell> oh you mean for the base os?
[5:49] <ball> I don't think I'd be using containers on my boards though.
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[5:52] <ball> toastintheshell: Yes. Sadly NetBSD/evbarm 8.0 doesn't work on my 2B and I'd hoped to use 2B for three of the boards in the cluster
[5:52] <ball> ...and a 3B+ for the fourth.
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[11:24] <greyltc[m]> has anyone in there run openwrt on their 3b+?
[11:24] <greyltc[m]> here*
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[12:30] <Mewster> Hello, I'm trying to cross-compile a QT module, QTWebEngine, from a Linux environment. QTBase was successfully built, but QTWebEngine says that requires a 5+ version, while it says I'm using 4.8. Where can I find a toolchain that has a more recent version to cross-compile my code?
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[12:33] <ShorTie> buster maybe ??
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[14:11] <greyltc[m]> has anyone in here run openwrt on their 3b+?
[14:11] * DanielTheFox fails to remember how much RAM does a Pi Zero have
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[14:14] <ShorTie> 512m i do believe
[14:14] <Habbie> yes
[14:14] <DanielTheFox> ok
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[14:30] <TheSilentLink> is it normal to only have one ethernet light on a rpi 3b+
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[14:31] <TheSilentLink> only the green light is on
[14:31] <DanielTheFox> TheSilentLink: yes
[14:31] <DanielTheFox> it is the same in my Pi too
[14:31] <DanielTheFox> 3B+
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[14:33] <TheSilentLink> what is the yellow light for then?
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[14:34] <TheSilentLink> on my pi 3B both lights are on
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[14:37] <DanielTheFox> probably the yellow light is for indicating gigabit connection?
[14:37] <DanielTheFox> the green light is lit on both 10 and 100 Mbps modes
[14:37] <DanielTheFox> but I haven't tested gigabit, since I don't own any gigabit switch
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[14:49] <ShorTie> is there a overlay to turn the wifi chip on ??
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[15:08] <kinsifous> Hey, i have a board with an external SD adapter which emulates an SD card. How would i be able to find on which /dev/ is my sd adapter? The board im using isnt an RPI, its a MuxPi but im trying to flash an image to the sdcard emulator so that i can boot the RPI with it
[15:08] <kinsifous> does anyone have any XP with this?
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[15:12] <DanielTheFox> don't they have an own forum or IRC channel? :)
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[16:07] <sponge337> anyone having trouble installing docker on raspberry zero ?
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> kinsifous, if running linux then you can try: lsblk to identify the block devices.
[16:08] <Habbie> sponge337, are you having trouble with it?
[16:08] <sponge337> yes
[16:09] <sponge337> Found this, but it does not help https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/38175
[16:10] <sponge337> Just as the ppl say, docker service wont start.
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[16:10] <larsks> sponge337: why won't it start? Are there errors in the logs?
[16:11] <shiftplusone> Is the container you're running meant for armv6? is the build of docker you're running also meant for armv6?
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[16:11] <sponge337> Where can i post my logs?
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[16:12] <larsks> Any pastebin-type site is fine. github gists are nice. Etc.
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[16:14] <sponge337> ok. So after installing docker on a complete new raspbian (minimal version!) , the service will not start. Here is output of /var/log/syslog: https://pastebin.com/1TZNyTCn
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[16:16] <Habbie> that looks like you got the wrong binaries
[16:16] <Habbie> how did you install them?
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[16:17] <Habbie> oh wait i remember that ticket
[16:17] <sponge337> with "curl -fsSL https://get.docker.com -o get-docker.sh" and then "sudo sh get-docker.sh" from https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/
[16:17] <Habbie> can you try the very last comment in https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/38175 ?
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[16:18] <sponge337> Habbie: When I try, I get: Unable to locate package docker-ce
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[16:18] <Habbie> sponge337, please show: dpkg -l | grep docker
[16:18] <sponge337> no putput
[16:19] <sponge337> no output*
[16:19] <Habbie> so.. you don't have docker installed
[16:19] <sponge337> I may have messed up my source list with "`echo "deb [arch=armhf] https://download.docker.com/linux/raspbian $(lsb_release -cs) stable" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list sudo apt update`" which was a command, someone presented in this issue
[16:20] <sponge337> Habbie: Yeah currently I uninstalled docker again.
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[16:22] <sponge337> Habbie: I cant execute the last command in the issue, its not finding the correct repo. Do you know how I can fix that?
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[16:23] <Habbie> sponge337, well, get-docker.sh knows how to fix that
[16:23] <sponge337> Habbie: so I should execute that command again?
[16:24] <sponge337> curl -fsSL https://get.docker.com -o get-docker.sh ?
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[18:08] <degenerate> Hello. I'm using this sensor: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1293 to control temperature in a fridge. My script works well, but occasionally it just goes completely sideways and I get "[Errno 121] Remote I/O error". As I understand this means that python can no longer talk to the sensor? Is there some reason this would happen intermittently? Is there some way to "reboot" the SDA/SCL bus without rebooting the entire
[18:08] <degenerate> raspberry pi?
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[18:09] <degenerate> if it helps at all, I usually get "[Errno 5] Input/output error" once before I start getting "[Errno 121] Remote I/O error" but once it goes into that state it just gets stuck there and can no longer communicate with the device.
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[18:11] <degenerate> i2cdetect output after a crash: https://pastebin.com/3vMdThRq
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[18:16] <BurtyB> degenerate, if you don't give it a bus that's what it's going to look like
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[18:32] <degenerate> BurtyB i'm not sure I understand what bus should i put?
[18:33] <degenerate> oh i see
[18:33] <degenerate> sudo i2cdetect -l
[18:33] <degenerate> i2c-1 i2c bcm2835 I2C adapter I2C adapter
[18:34] <DanielTheFox> BurtyB: ever used I2C for data transfer between two RPi?
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[18:34] <degenerate> So SDA and SDC are I2C-1 i think..
[18:34] <BurtyB> DanielTheFox, no as I didn't think the Pi could be an i2c slave
[18:35] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[18:35] <BurtyB> well hardware wise it can but I'm not sure there's a driver
[18:35] <DanielTheFox> other than SPI, what can be used for non-Ethernet non-WiFi wired data transfer?
[18:35] <DanielTheFox> ...wait, I think wiringPi has some sort of software "shift" library
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[18:36] <DanielTheFox> so it can be used for some sort of slow data transfer
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[18:37] <degenerate> ok, so after the crash https://pastebin.com/X8vn10Pg and after a clean exit: https://pastebin.com/2XZR2Eq5
[18:37] <degenerate> i don't really get what this means though.
[18:37] <lopta> DanielTheFox: Serial?
[18:37] <DanielTheFox> BurtyB: do I need to connect the GND of both Pi's together in order to use GPIO data transfer?
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[18:37] <degenerate> is there some way to restart the i2c bus if it stops being able to communicate with my device?
[18:37] <DanielTheFox> lopta: kinda, yes
[18:37] <DanielTheFox> but serial will be sometimes connected to regular computer
[18:37] <lopta> DanielTheFox: cross over TXD and RXD, connect SG at both ends.
[18:38] <DanielTheFox> so I can't count on that being available
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[18:38] <lopta> DanielTheFox: Sounds as though you need more UARTS... or a software emulation thereof.
[18:38] <DanielTheFox> yep, more UARTs would be handy
[18:38] <DanielTheFox> data transfer at any speed (110 baud or higher) is acceptable
[18:39] <lopta> 110 Baud should be doable in software
[18:39] <DanielTheFox> or actually
[18:39] <lopta> 7e2 gives you 10 characters per second.
[18:39] <DanielTheFox> 4 bytes per second is tolerable
[18:40] <DanielTheFox> what is going to be sent is mostly bytecode commands, the heaviest thing will be UTF-8 text strings
[18:40] <DanielTheFox> and they can't be that long, so even 4 B/s works
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[18:40] <lopta> Ah, can't do UTF-8 over 7e2 ;-)
[18:41] <DanielTheFox> 8e2 works tho
[18:41] <lopta> 8n1
[18:41] <DanielTheFox> it just has to be reliable :)
[18:41] * lopta nods
[18:41] <lopta> Consider using a couple more pins for flow control then
[18:41] <lopta> (RTS/CTS style)
[18:41] <DanielTheFox> heh, true
[18:41] <DanielTheFox> there are so many available GPIO pins
[18:42] <DanielTheFox> perhaps some voltage conversion can allow this to run at very long distances
[18:42] <lopta> Are I2C or SPI UARTs a thing?
[18:42] <lopta> DanielTheFox: Bump it up to 5V differential?
[18:42] <DanielTheFox> haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were
[18:43] <lopta> The people in ##electronics may know.
[18:43] <DanielTheFox> lopta: I was thinking about more-agressive +/- 12V
[18:43] <DanielTheFox> like IBM PC RS232
[18:43] <lopta> DanielTheFox: 20mA current loop ftw ;-)
[18:43] <lopta> RS232 is single-ended though
[18:43] <DanielTheFox> currently they'll be just some centimetres apart
[18:43] <lopta> You may want to look at RS422, which also offers point to multipoint
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> so for now
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> even 3V3 works
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> ok
[18:44] <DanielTheFox> so, it boils to both UART and SPI already used for something else
[18:45] <lopta> IrDA ftw! ;-)
[18:45] <DanielTheFox> I2C is free but not really usable for connecting two Pi's
[18:45] <DanielTheFox> GPIO pins or an extra UART running on I2C can be our salvation
[18:46] <DanielTheFox> bit banging can be handy
[18:47] <DanielTheFox> no ethernet nor WiFi, the Pi Zero doesn't come with either
[18:48] <DanielTheFox> and their GPIO pins, not all are being used, so hey :)
[18:48] <lopta> I've never had to bit bang a serial connection but I've thought in the past about how I would do that.
[18:48] <DanielTheFox> lopta: we don't need to be RS232-compilant
[18:48] <DanielTheFox> we can use a simple 4-wire connection
[18:48] <DanielTheFox> RX, TX, CLK, GND
[18:48] <lopta> DanielTheFox: Why clk?
[18:48] <DanielTheFox> for sync
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[18:49] <lopta> I'd rather have RTS than CLK
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[18:49] <DanielTheFox> ok
[18:49] <DanielTheFox> it'll act like RTS, you know :)
[18:49] <lopta> ?
[18:49] <DanielTheFox> one of the machines drives the clock
[18:49] <DanielTheFox> and has full control about connection speed
[18:49] <lopta> Weird.
[18:50] <DanielTheFox> but at the end, yes
[18:50] <DanielTheFox> it's closer to an RTS pin
[18:51] <DanielTheFox> (also, if we use CLK, we don't even need full-duplex data transfer, we can make one computer send a bit on rising edge of CLK, the other sending on falling edge of CLK)
[18:52] <DanielTheFox> 1 GHz Pi Zero is by far fast enough for it, hopefully CLK won't go beyond 1000 Hz
[18:52] <DanielTheFox> (and well, I can use wiringPi software tone library for that)
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> you want to connect 2 Pi's together?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> theres this thing called .. ethernet ...
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[18:56] <lopta> gordonDrogon: I think DanielTheFox has Raspberry Pi Zero boards
[18:56] <lopta> (not the Zero W)
[18:56] <DanielTheFox> not currently
[18:56] <DanielTheFox> but soon I'll get some
[18:57] <DanielTheFox> and I want to be as informed as possible
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[18:57] <lopta> I would like some 3A+ boards
[18:57] <DanielTheFox> and yes, it's more probable that I get Zero W than plain Zero
[18:58] <seek^126> if u plan on usin the GPIO's just get get the zero WH
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[18:59] <Syliss> zero w is decent
[18:59] <Syliss> i miss mine
[19:00] <lopta> One of key advantage of the 3A+ is that it has 5 GHz WiFi
[19:00] <lopta> brb
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[19:09] <DanielTheFox> gordonDrogon: would like to use WiFi/Ethernet
[19:09] <DanielTheFox> but I also want to learn what if none were available for some reason
[19:09] <DanielTheFox> it should not be the end of the world
[19:09] <DanielTheFox> :)
[19:10] <DanielTheFox> also, I want to count every communication method that the Pi has
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[19:13] <BurtyB> can you use USB?
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[19:14] <DanielTheFox> that also counts, but nope
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[19:21] <lopta> Isn't there an RFC for IP over carrier pigeon?
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[19:24] <DanielTheFox> same the Pi doesn't know pigeon language
[19:24] <DanielTheFox> well, nobody has written a C library for it
[19:26] <DanielTheFox> lopta: what happens if I short together both UART (Tx/Rx) pins in the same Pi?
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[19:27] <korryd> the end of the space-time continuum
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[19:31] <gordonDrogon> DanielTheFox, there are some SPI Wi-Fi adapters that will work on the Pi0.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> so you could us those with an access point...
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> I don't think they'll work in ad-hoc mode though, but you never know.
[19:33] <DanielTheFox> ook, that counts too
[19:33] <DanielTheFox> can they be set as access point themselves?
[19:34] <DanielTheFox> that way we don't even need an external AP
[19:35] <lopta> DanielTheFox: Make sure you set RXD as an input
[19:36] <lopta> DanielTheFox: ...if you do it right you could build a loopback.
[19:36] <DanielTheFox> ok
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't think so - they handle the tcp layer themselves from what I gather - it's the same sort of wi-fi chips that people use in e.g. Arduinos
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[19:38] <DanielTheFox> ook
[19:38] <DanielTheFox> them it'll be useful, but only where there's a working AP already there
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[19:57] <fBirD> hello there
[19:58] <fBirD> Anyone know if it's possible to add a female usb header to a raspberryPi using gpio ?
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[19:58] <lopta> fBirD: what do you hope to use that for?
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[19:59] <fBirD> I want to connect a usb device, but I don't want to use the usb ports available on rasp3
[20:00] <fBirD> I need to connect a usb header on gpio
[20:01] <fBirD> I already saw the option on adding a male port to a gpio
[20:01] <fBirD> I was looking for a female port but I find nothing on the market for that
[20:02] <fBirD> lopta: do know anything like this ?
[20:03] <akk> Are you looking for something that just plugs in? Because if not, you can certainly buy USB for either gender and solder or otherwise connect it.
[20:04] <fBirD> akk: I saw a lot of people solding on raspberry pi zero, but I was trying to avoid that and just plugin on the gpio
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[20:04] <fBirD> like this http://bit.do/usbgpio
[20:04] <fBirD> but this on is male usb and I need one female
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[20:06] <lopta> fBirD: I doubt that would work.
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[20:06] <lopta> fBirD: Have you considered using a USB hub?
[20:07] <fBirD> lopta: yes, but for this I need to connect my msata disc to the raspberry pi but I don't want to use the default ports from raspberry
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[20:07] <fBirD> So I need to rotate my shield back in order to connect somehow
[20:08] <lopta> Connecting mSATA to GPIO sounds tricky.
[20:08] <fBirD> The idea is to create a custom box later for the raspberry, but without losing the ports
[20:08] <lopta> Don't know why USB would even be involved.
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[20:09] <akk> fBirD: I use a cable like that on pi zeros all the time, but that's not for general USB use, it's for connecting to the serial port.
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[20:10] <lopta> Are there USB 2.0 mSATA enclosures?!
[20:10] <fBirD> akk: talk will not work as a generic usb port ? :S
[20:11] <fBirD> akk: http://bit.do/msata see this example
[20:11] <fBirD> because of this usb doodle there
[20:11] <fBirD> the box will never fit the doodle usb must be outside the box
[20:11] <fBirD> I want to avoid to have that outside the box
[20:12] <fBirD> that is why I want to add and extra usb
[20:12] <akk> I still don't understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to plug a USB device that has a full-sized plug into a pi0 without using a hub?
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[20:13] <akk> And without soldering anything?
[20:13] <fBirD> I'm trying to rotate the msata plate to the oposite side of the usb ports
[20:13] <lopta> akk: I think fBirD wants extra USB 2.0 type A ports magically without using a hub.
[20:13] <fBirD> not magically
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[20:14] <lopta> ...and how you plug mSATA into USB is a mystery to me too.
[20:14] <fBirD> I want to know if it's possible on gpio to have one :)
[20:14] <lopta> fBirD: I doubt that's practical.
[20:14] <fBirD> I plug the mstata by usb
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[20:14] <lopta> fBirD: Is this something you've tested on another computer?
[20:14] <fBirD> it's pratical when we want to have an box around the raspberry
[20:15] <lopta> (the MSATA USB adaptor)?
[20:15] <fBirD> yes
[20:15] <fBirD> its this
[20:15] <fBirD> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjM15rbxM3gAhUGmuAKHcg2BicQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.suptronics.com%2FminiPCkits%2Fx850.html&psig=AOvVaw3Uu7AIjLt4TJzU17LjAf4p&ust=1550862912618327
[20:15] <fBirD> but these shield
[20:15] <fBirD> take 1 port from raspberry
[20:16] <fBirD> I just want to save the raspberry front usb ports because of the box
[20:16] <akk> I don't think it's possible to make GPIO pins look like a normal USB plug on the pi.
[20:16] <fBirD> otherwise the plug will be outside the box and anyone can unplug that by mistake
[20:16] <akk> Well, it's open source, it's maybe possible, but you'd probably have to hack the kernel USB drivers, is my (relatively uninformed) guess.
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[20:18] <fBirD> probably the only solution will be soldering to the raspberry
[20:18] <akk> You could maybe take something like https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12700 and solder it to the same contacts as one of the existing USB sockets
[20:18] <fBirD> more work more troble
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[20:18] <akk> (and then plug up the existing socket so it doesn't get used by mistake)..
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> fBirD, that board (and others like it) need a wire into one of the Pi's USB ports.
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[20:19] <fBirD> akk: perfect!!!
[20:19] <fBirD> that is what I'm looking for !
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> you won't be able to use that on the gpio connector.
[20:19] <fBirD> gordonDrogon: no ? :S
[20:19] <akk> No, you'll have to wire it to wherever the USB ports normally connect.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> well - you can solder it on, but then you'll need to write software to bit-bang in and that won't work.
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[20:20] <akk> That goes back to writing your own USB driver for the kernel.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> which really isn't going to work.
[20:21] <fBirD> gordonDrogon: but I saw loot of people solder usb ports on raspberry pi zero
[20:21] <akk> It would be very very hard and probably wouldn't work well anyway
[20:21] <fBirD> that doesn't work?
[20:21] <akk> and would need voltage shifting too, right?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> fBirD, sure - they are soldering to the existing USB port.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> so you could solder to the usb port on the PiB3 too.
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> but there is no USB on the gpio connector.
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[20:22] <fBirD> gordonDrogon: So how it works the usb hub shield ?
[20:22] <fBirD> that shield is connected to gpio
[20:22] <fBirD> and the extra power from microusb
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[20:24] <lopta> Aren't shields an Arduino thing? ...or are those Capes?
[20:25] <lopta> fBirD: Suffice to say, what you're asking for is not practical.
[20:25] <lopta> (if there are no USB host pins on the GPIO header)
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[20:25] <lopta> The timing required is such that GPIO couldn't bitbang it.
[20:26] <[n0mad]> there's only 2 wires going to gpio, that's not for usb i don't think. i think it's for power. i think the usb thing is for data
[20:26] <[n0mad]> but i have no clue, just what i see in a picture
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[20:27] <akk> the "usb hub shield" I got as the first google hit doesn't say what it connects to (not GPIO) and I can't tell from the few pictures.
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> fBirD, it works because it connects into the existing USB on the Pi.
[20:27] <fBirD> akk: https://www.circuitsathome.com/arduino_usb_host_shield_projects/ look this
[20:28] <fBirD> this "shield" it's to connect directly to gpio
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> that's a USB serial interfac.e
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> fBirD, What *exactly* are you after?
[20:28] <akk> fBirD: That seems to be an Arduino thing.
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[20:29] <akk> fBirD: It doesn't tell you anything about how to get USB connections on a Pi.
[20:29] <lopta> Oooh, I thought fBirD wanted more USB ports on the Raspberry Pi without plugging into one of the existing ones.
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what fBirD what right now.
[20:29] <fBirD> I want to add and extra usb port, without the need to plug to the existing ones
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> You can't.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> and that's that.
[20:30] <lopta> ...and somehow mSATA's involved
[20:30] * lopta boggles
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> the Pi has one USB port and on a model B it goes into a hub to give you 4 sockets and ethernet.
[20:30] <fBirD> lopta: I want to connect my msata shield to that extra port
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> you can't.
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> you connect it to one of the existing USB sockets on the Pi.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> you can solder it to a socket if you like, but you must use one of the existing USB sockets.
[20:32] <fBirD> gordonDrogon: I know about the soldering possibility but I was trying to avoid to do that
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> you have no choice. you must use one of the existing USB sockets.
[20:32] <fBirD> with another possibility solution
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> there is no other solution.
[20:32] <fBirD> :(
[20:32] <lopta> fBirD: Sometimes, "no" is the answer.
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> your msata interface is just another USB device. nothing special, plug it into a usb socket and be happy.
[20:33] <lopta> fBirD: Do you have an old mSATA SSD that you hope to use?
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[20:33] <lopta> fBirD: Also, have you considered putting your project into a bigger box?
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[20:34] <fBirD> gordonDrogon: right know is already connected and running well
[20:34] <fBirD> lopta: yes I DID
[20:34] <fBirD> lopta: I had 1 guy building the 3d model for me
[20:34] <fBirD> but
[20:34] <fBirD> always the same problem the connect to msata shield will be outside the box
[20:34] <fBirD> that is why I want to add one extra
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[20:35] <fBirD> because the plug it's outside box
[20:35] <fBirD> and looks shitty
[20:35] <lopta> fBirD: I think you're doing it wrong.
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[20:35] <lopta> brb
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=196334
[20:35] <fBirD> If I create a bigger box to wrap all the raspberry all the ports will be inside
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> the photo there makes it look quite neat.
[20:36] <fBirD> I have that gordonDrogon
[20:36] <fBirD> do you see that black plug?
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> it looks quite neat.
[20:36] <fBirD> it will be outside the box
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> it plugs into the usb socket - just as I've been saying.
[20:36] <fBirD> I want that inside
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> make the box bigger.
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[20:37] <fBirD> but with the bigger box the other usb will be inside
[20:37] <fBirD> it will be dificult to insert another usb after that
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> hang on... I have a moon here, want it on a stick?
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[20:38] <fBirD> sory didn't understand
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> it's not important.
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> I'll leave you to solev the problem of using a usb cable. just know that you can not use the gpio port for usb.
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[20:40] <fBirD> :/ this is a difficult problem to solve, if there is any solution for this(without solder it off course)
[20:40] <fBirD> thanks for the help gordonDrogon
[20:44] <lopta> fBirD: You could use a USB extension cable to take the other USB port to the edge of the larger case.
[20:45] <lopta> fBirD: ...this is a common solution.
[20:45] <fBirD> lopta: can be a possibility
[20:45] <fBirD> lopta: do you have an example ?
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[20:47] <lopta> fBirD: Yes, let me find something.
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[20:52] <NeoThermic> mrr, I forgot that the Pi 1B's mounting holes are not in the same locations as the 2 & 3 ¬_¬
[20:53] <shiftplusone> nothing a drill can't fix
[20:53] <lopta> fBirD: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81gAKHJkydL._SL1500_.jpg
[20:53] <shiftplusone> Looking at my pi 1... there are no mounting holes
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[20:54] <NeoThermic> shiftplusone, there's two
[20:54] <NeoThermic> on just below the printed logo and one just above the USB ports
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[20:54] <shiftplusone> none on mine
[20:54] <fBirD> lopta: thanks
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[21:03] <lopta> fBirD: You're welcome.
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[21:13] <plugwash> shiftplusone, the earliest Pis don't have them, they were added with revision 2 of the PCB design.
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[21:37] <greyltc[m]> has anyone here run openwrt on their 3B+?
[21:38] <friendofafriend> I run OpenWRT on another Pi. Are you having troubles, greyltc[m]?
[21:38] <greyltc[m]> friendofafriend: yeah
[21:39] <greyltc[m]> I'm getting internet connectivity dropouts for ~3-5 seconds every ~1 minute
[21:39] <friendofafriend> On the ethernet port or wifi?
[21:39] <greyltc[m]> as shown by pings to 8.8.8.8 being dropped
[21:39] <greyltc[m]> both
[21:40] <friendofafriend> How is the Pi connected to the Internet, wifi? Wired?
[21:40] <greyltc[m]> wired to a managed smart switch with vlans setup for wan + lan interfaces
[21:41] <friendofafriend> Have you tried pinging 8.8.8.8 from the OpenWRT router itself?
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[21:42] <greyltc[m]> yes, the pings don't drop there
[21:42] <greyltc[m]> but when the clients are dropping the pings, the latency for the pings from the router gets very long
[21:42] <friendofafriend> Those clients are connected wirelessly to an AP on your Raspberry Pi?
[21:43] <greyltc[m]> i'm testing mostly with a wired client
[21:43] <greyltc[m]> but i've also seen it with the wifi ones
[21:44] <greyltc[m]> friendofafriend: that's what the ping failures typically look like: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/greyltc/828feb1d638e061ad256cd34901fb978/raw/a431fe4c16754dbd2a9a47848d82e34455163e3c/ping%2520fails
[21:44] <greyltc[m]> the 172. address is the wan interface of the pi
[21:45] <friendofafriend> OK. The first place to start troubleshooting would be with the "logread" command.
[21:45] <greyltc[m]> nothing
[21:45] <greyltc[m]> logs show absolutely nothing
[21:45] <friendofafriend> logread produces an overwhelming pile of output, stuff from dmesg, often hundreds of lines.
[21:45] <greyltc[m]> yeah
[21:46] <greyltc[m]> sorry, nothing useful
[21:46] <friendofafriend> I have an OpenWRT router here that's hardly used, and logread produces 800~ lines.
[21:46] <DanielTheFox> how do you know it's not useful?
[21:46] <greyltc[m]> like the last message in dmesg is from 9.5 seconds after boot
[21:46] <friendofafriend> This is not just dmesg, but quite a lot of other logs.
[21:47] <greyltc[m]> DanielTheFox: you're right
[21:47] <greyltc[m]> there might be something in there
[21:47] <greyltc[m]> let me post it
[21:47] <greyltc[m]> but nothing enters the logs when the network drops
[21:47] <friendofafriend> In 800 lines, you might find a cure for cancer and figure out who shot JFK.
[21:48] <DanielTheFox> what about the 53MB log when I didn't had sshguard on my internet-facing server? :D
[21:48] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: The meaning of life.
[21:48] <DanielTheFox> dammit
[21:48] <DanielTheFox> I should have conserved that log file
[21:49] <friendofafriend> Nah, would have ruined not knowing. ;)
[21:50] <greyltc[m]> one sec
[21:50] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: do you have a Pi Zero or Zero W there?
[21:50] <greyltc[m]> i've got some very strange messages in there right now that i've never had before, i think related to opkg updates i've done without rebooting
[21:51] <greyltc[m]> gonna reboot and collect a new log of the issue for you all
[21:51] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: A couple of Zero Ws, a Zero, an old Pi1B.
[21:51] <DanielTheFox> oh, nice
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> ever used the USB slave features in the Pi Zero? (0w also applies)
[21:52] <greyltc[m]> goodbye cruel world (brb)
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[21:52] <friendofafriend> I'm using the Zeroes on these USB port replicators, so they have real ethernet and such. Beats buying old wireless routers from the charity shops.
[21:53] <friendofafriend> Slave mode, like booting the Zero from a PC?
[21:53] <DanielTheFox> where do you connect the Pi Zero? the POWER IN or the OTG?
[21:53] <friendofafriend> OTG.
[21:53] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: like, using the Pi Zero as a "guest" device
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[21:53] <DanielTheFox> wait, and does it provide power?
[21:53] <greyltc[m]> ok, these are "new" messages to me
[21:53] <friendofafriend> Yes it does! Neat, right?
[21:54] <DanielTheFox> yeah, most clever thing I've seen
[21:54] <DanielTheFox> more and more reasons to get a Pi Zero W
[21:54] <DanielTheFox> shameful they're expensive here
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[21:54] <greyltc[m]> received packet on eth0 with own address as source address (addr:b8:27:eb:f2:8f:39, vlan:0)
[21:55] <greyltc[m]> this could be related to my MAC cloning...
[21:55] <greyltc[m]> let me see if changing that makes any difference
[21:55] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: They're really just a proof of concept, you can only get one-per-order here.
[21:55] <DanielTheFox> I know someone here (in the channel, not IRL) who goes to electronics store and buys one Pi Zero or Zero W each time he goes there
[21:55] <DanielTheFox> yeah, that friend too
[21:55] <DanielTheFox> only one per visit
[21:55] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: Absolutely, Microcenter sells them.
[21:55] <lopta> DanielTheFox: I would do that if there was an electronics store here.
[21:55] <DanielTheFox> Absolutely I'd do it too
[21:56] <DanielTheFox> like, they're very cheap if you can get them through honest sellers
[21:56] <friendofafriend> The only other place is Target, and they're still only selling the Pi3B, not the +.
[21:56] <lopta> friendofafriend: Target sells Raspberry Pi?!
[21:56] <DanielTheFox> I actually want one too
[21:56] <friendofafriend> lopta: Yep, and some other electronics kits. The 3B is pretty reasonably priced.
[21:57] <DanielTheFox> or, actually, a couple
[21:57] <DanielTheFox> if I had 100, I'd find an use for them
[21:57] <lopta> I may have to scour our local Target then.
[21:57] <DanielTheFox> given their capabilities, it's like you'll never have enough Pi Zero/Zero W
[21:58] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: but that means if you plug a hub to the OTG port in the Pi Zero
[21:58] <friendofafriend> lopta: They're back in electronics. There's a Kano "Build Your Own Computer" kit, a few microcontroller programming kits, bare Pi3Bs, one of those cardboard Google Home kits.
[21:58] <DanielTheFox> (when it's working as a USB host, as usual)
[21:58] <DanielTheFox> cheapest powered hubs can backfeed the Pi
[21:58] <DanielTheFox> right?
[21:58] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: Yeah, that's where things get sticky.
[21:58] <DanielTheFox> glad I don't have powered hubs
[21:59] <friendofafriend> Some backfeed, some don't. It's usually the cheapest ones that were meant to be unpowered that will backfeed.
[21:59] <Sarayan> pi 3b+ *really* needs 2.4A, and even then it's a little cranky
[21:59] <DanielTheFox> I have some passive hubs that can be powered, but they can absolutely survive without the external power
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[22:00] <DanielTheFox> not in my experience
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> I've run it from 2.0A powerbank
[22:00] <Sarayan> a 3b+ ?
[22:00] <DanielTheFox> yes
[22:00] <Sarayan> and you don't have the kenel bitching in dmesg every other second?
[22:00] <Sarayan> kernel
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> when I want to use it for music playback (friendofafriend knows what I've done), I disable the internal USB hub
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> so actually
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[22:01] <friendofafriend> Undervolted, underclocked, LEDs off, HDMI too. :P
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> ah, I forgot that I disable the TV output too
[22:01] <DanielTheFox> and underclocked CPU
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[22:01] <DanielTheFox> the same powerbank can last around 30 hours
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[22:02] <DanielTheFox> 12500mAh (on the 3.7V side)
[22:02] <Sarayan> I think it's the cpu underclock that does it (hdmi wasn't connected for me either)
[22:02] <DanielTheFox> if you do the math, it's running far below 400mA
[22:02] <friendofafriend> Sarayan: You've got to turn off the HDMI port with tvservice.
[22:02] <friendofafriend> Doesn't matter if it's connected, it's drawing power.
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[22:03] <DanielTheFox> the LEDs don't need to be shutdown, they consume nearly nothing
[22:03] <Sarayan> fof: ah could be, in any case it's going to eventually be connected
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> Sarayan: no worries, tvservice -o will not prevent it from working on next reboot
[22:03] <DanielTheFox> it's part of those settings that are ignored on next boot
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[22:03] <Sarayan> brought a better power supply instead :-)
[22:04] <friendofafriend> Yep, you'd have to throw the command into /etc/rc.local or something.
[22:04] <DanielTheFox> I shut the LEDs down because the red LED is kinda annoying, it's very bright, and the green LED is very blinky, which becomes annoying once the red LED is off
[22:04] <DanielTheFox> it's annoying at night
[22:04] <DanielTheFox> otherwise, the LEDs are nice and pretty
[22:04] <friendofafriend> You could probably be more clever still, and use cec-client to test if there's something connected and shutdown the HDMI port otherwise.
[22:05] <DanielTheFox> I use jumpers to tell the Pi what to do during boot
[22:05] <DanielTheFox> so even if it's truly headless (no video output, no keyboard) the Pi still figures out what to do
[22:05] <friendofafriend> Very smart way to do things, DanielTheFox.
[22:06] <DanielTheFox> Sarayan: however, in my case, cables are more tricky than chargers
[22:06] <DanielTheFox> even an old charger I had for my camera (5V, 1.1A) was able to power the Pi properly, without undervoltage warnings nor red LED going off without me allowing so
[22:06] <Sarayan> DanielTheFox: Heh. I'm doing a minimal not-really-a-distribution for stuff I want to put on the TV, so cables, not an issue
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[22:07] <DanielTheFox> ...as long and I used the correct cable
[22:07] <DanielTheFox> the cable I use is, like, 15 cm (very short) and very fat
[22:07] <DanielTheFox> it won't lose charger
[22:07] <DanielTheFox> my dad has a longer wire that is very thin, and not even with proper 2.5A charger I can make the Pi turn on without complaints regarding voltage
[22:08] <DanielTheFox> he has a better wire "designed for fast chargers" that is still long, at it doesn't make the Pi complain, again, even the 1.1A charger works
[22:08] <Sarayan> I may have a cable issue then
[22:09] <DanielTheFox> in my case, cables are worse than chargers
[22:09] <DanielTheFox> but YMMV
[22:09] <Sarayan> I'l have to do some tests, I have other cavbles
[22:09] <DanielTheFox> don't buy chinese chargers from the robber-looking dealer at your corner
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> some actually have the guts to say it's 2.1A when in reality they don't even give 500mA without shifting voltage badly
[22:10] <Sarayan> I have a belkin one
[22:10] <Sarayan> My robbers are classier
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> hah, you're lucky then
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> some butthole robber-looking seller comes to the town each sunday, selling all sorts of fake chinese stuff
[22:11] <DanielTheFox> 32 GB USB flashsticks that don't have the advertised storage
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[22:11] <DanielTheFox> or are slower than USB 1.1
[22:12] <DanielTheFox> microSD cards that don't even last a month
[22:12] <DanielTheFox> chargers that even an old Nokia would complain with their horrible power
[22:13] <Sarayan> heh, I'm nfsrooting for now, so no sd card in the pi :-)
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> all kinds of nasty stuff
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> and you know
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> the worst part is that people actually buy there
[22:13] <DanielTheFox> otherwise he wouldn't even come
[22:13] <Sarayan> btw, the stupid-ass remotepi have a 4 minute timeout on powering off
[22:13] <Sarayan> st00pid
[22:13] <EdFletcherT137> DanielTheFox: when you say you use jumpers to control boot behavior, do you mean jumpers onto a/some GPIOs that you read as part of the bootup/init process? it's a really great idea, just want to clarify so I can borrow it :)
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> EdFletcherT137: yes, the last GPIO "pairs" (a row of two pins, I call that unit a "pair") can be safely used for that
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> I read them on rc.local stage tho
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> so it's not as clever as you might think, but it still works well
[22:14] <DanielTheFox> take in mind
[22:14] <EdFletcherT137> DanielTheFox: it's clever because it's an elegant solution! I like it
[22:15] <EdFletcherT137> DanielTheFox: last two rows, you mean GPIOs 20, 21, 26 and the GND pin down there?
[22:15] <DanielTheFox> I highly recommend setting the input pin with pull-up
[22:15] <EdFletcherT137> (that's BCM numbering... pins 37-40)
[22:15] <EdFletcherT137> (pins 37-40 in RPI numbering. typing too fast for my damn head today)
[22:15] <DanielTheFox> and, if the other pair is a programmable, set it to output zero
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[22:16] <DanielTheFox> if you accidentally stick output 0 to GND, nothing happens, no current flows
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> so it's safe
[22:16] <EdFletcherT137> awesome, thanks a ton for the info DanielTheFox, very stoked to try this out!
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> yep
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> so, if you have GND
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> you're forced to pull-high drive-low
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> pull-high ensures that floating pins have a HIGH (1) value
[22:17] <DanielTheFox> even if the air finds a reason to slighly drive floating pins around
[22:17] <DanielTheFox> but pull-high resistors make Vcc in that pin very "weak", so they can be safely and easily "driven" low by either a LOW-output pin or GND itself
[22:18] <DanielTheFox> so it's easy to detect
[22:18] <DanielTheFox> if the input pin reads high, it's disconnected
[22:18] <DanielTheFox> if it reads low, it's connected
[22:18] <DanielTheFox> easy as Pi
[22:18] <DanielTheFox> ;)
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[22:20] <DanielTheFox> some guy in another channel (expert in CMOS and NMOS electronics) told me about the pull-high drive-low technique
[22:20] <DanielTheFox> and gordonDrogon confirmed it to me
[22:20] <Sarayan> that's an extremely usual technique
[22:21] <DanielTheFox> yes, the first guy told me it's trivially common in older NMOS electronics
[22:21] <Sarayan> also, it works rather well :-)
[22:21] <DanielTheFox> they're unable to drive high, they only drive low :)
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[22:21] <Sarayan> yup
[22:21] <DanielTheFox> but I was not aware of it before
[22:22] <DanielTheFox> I was thinking it was circuit's duty to drive to either direction
[22:22] <Sarayan> but even later, lots of busses are like that, like scsi or i2c. The other name is "open collector"
[22:22] <DanielTheFox> and that floating pins were harmless
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[22:22] <Sarayan> floating pins are complicated
[22:22] <DanielTheFox> but no, unconnected pins must be pulled high so that they don't return bogus reads
[22:23] <lopta> What's a sensible value for a pullup resistor on a Pi input?
[22:23] <DanielTheFox> the Pi has internal pull-up resistors on all programmable GPIO pins
[22:23] <DanielTheFox> I think they're 10k ohm, correct me if wrong
[22:24] <DanielTheFox> I pulled that number out of imagination
[22:24] <Sarayan> I think 10k is a usual pull value
[22:24] <lopta> 100k?
[22:24] <DanielTheFox> yeah, I've been told 10k ohm is usual for pull ups
[22:24] <DanielTheFox> lopta: and the pull-ups are programmable too
[22:24] <lopta> How much current can a Pi output pin source?
[22:24] <lopta> (or sink)
[22:25] <DanielTheFox> they can be pull-up, pull-down or not pulling anywhere
[22:25] <DanielTheFox> but for safety I prefer pull-up on every input pin
[22:25] <Sarayan> 4.7k is also very usual
[22:26] <DanielTheFox> the I2C pins have 1.8k pull-ups permanently enabled, which is to be taken in mind if you disable I2C in favour of some extra programmable GPIO pins
[22:27] <DanielTheFox> (this was not out of my imagination, I read it from wiringpi.com)
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[22:28] <lopta> Is I2C something we can use from Python?
[22:28] <lopta> (I have yet to learn Python)
[22:28] <DanielTheFox> I don't know Python either
[22:28] <lopta> ...but I understand it's popular.
[22:28] <DanielTheFox> I've went directly to C
[22:28] <DanielTheFox> *gone
[22:29] <lopta> DanielTheFox: I've been taking some C classes again recently.
[22:29] <lopta> DanielTheFox: ...should probably take another next quarter.
[22:29] <lopta> (I'm trying to pace myself because the boss is paying).
[22:29] <DanielTheFox> I don't really know C either, but what I know is enough to use wiringPi and stdio.h libraries
[22:29] <EightHundo> I thought I was the only one who used C to program on the Pi
[22:30] <DanielTheFox> wiringPi was created for those who used C
[22:30] <greyltc[m]> wow
[22:30] <greyltc[m]> i've been fooled by `logread -f`
[22:31] <DanielTheFox> and C is usually very fast, and depending on how you write your code, it's easier to use much less RAM than using Python or similar
[22:31] <greyltc[m]> it's always so nice and quiet!
[22:31] <EdFletcherT137> lopta: yup, I2C is just bus & protocol, can be interfaced with from any language
[22:31] <EightHundo> That’s been the library I have been using. Works really well.
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[22:32] <DanielTheFox> to be fair, the one who teached me C basics is an old-school programmer
[22:32] <DanielTheFox> who used to work in MS-DOS machines, where 640 KB RAM was a premium
[22:32] <DanielTheFox> (nowadays we look at weechat and say 12 MB is nearly nothing)
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[22:33] <EightHundo> But making something that is functional with limited memory can be a fun challenge.
[22:33] <DanielTheFox> look
[22:34] <DanielTheFox> there are fun games and nice productivity programs for DOS
[22:34] <DanielTheFox> my favorite game that is still restricted to real-mode 640 KB RAM world is Lotus III: The Ultimate Challenge
[22:35] <DanielTheFox> whetever it was fun or not to make it, that game is definitely well-crafted
[22:35] <DanielTheFox> making an exciting game that works very well with little resources
[22:36] <EightHundo> I played Lemmings a lot, but I don’t remember what the memory requirements were. I still make things for terminal use, just build something and find better ways to implement it or optimize it.
[22:37] <DanielTheFox> you're a kind of programmer we don't find often anymore
[22:37] <DanielTheFox> congratulations :)
[22:37] <DanielTheFox> we see python there, python here, sometimes I miss running software that run fast even on my 400 MHz RPi
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[22:38] <DanielTheFox> (mplayer and ffmpeg, as big and complex as they are, still run fast enough at that clock speed)
[22:39] <EightHundo> My first Pi was the 3B+, got it to learn more about hardware interfacing without risking killing an expensive board. I was blown away with how well it runs.
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[22:39] <lopta> Thanks EdFletcherT137
[22:43] <EdFletcherT137> lopta: you're welcome!
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[22:43] <lopta> Are there optoisolators with 3v3 outputs, for use with the Pi?
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[22:45] <lopta> Can 4000 series CMOS chips work down at 3v3?
[22:45] <DanielTheFox> most CMOS stuff tolerates 3.3V
[22:46] * lopta googles for some ICs
[22:46] <DanielTheFox> of course, they work slightly slower than what they would do with 5V
[22:52] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: still there?
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[22:53] <friendofafriend> Where else would I be? :)
[22:53] <DanielTheFox> in the bathroom or on the bed
[22:53] <DanielTheFox> (they're not forced to be exclusive tho)
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[22:53] <friendofafriend> Woof, I try to keep them separated.
[22:54] <DanielTheFox> ok
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[22:55] <friendofafriend> What gave you the idea for function jumpers, DanielTheFox? The first time I saw something similar was in the minipwner project.
[22:55] <DanielTheFox> ever seen those news about drug dealers using tunnels under the border to cross illegal stuff without being seen?
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[22:55] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: uhh, I don't remember where exactly
[22:55] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: Those tunnels are great.
[22:55] <DanielTheFox> I just remember I was looking at a lot of jumpers I have, and how 486-era computers did everything with jumpers
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[22:56] <DanielTheFox> then I noticed the GPIO pins looked a lot like 20 places where jumpers could be
[22:56] <friendofafriend> Sure, those old computers did IRQ/IO that way before plug-'n'-play.
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[22:56] <DanielTheFox> (except not all are usable, you can't use the first row without killing your board)
[22:56] <friendofafriend> You'll have a bad day if you jump 5V to the 3V3 rail! :D
[22:56] <DanielTheFox> so then I read the GPIO pinouts and noticed some of them (conveniently, the last ones) are usable for that purpose
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[22:57] <DanielTheFox> also, by that moment I was using my board for multiple uses and some required me to hook up to monitor, keyboard, change settings by hand, etcetera
[22:57] <DanielTheFox> now I don't need to do that, the jumpers themselves are magic
[22:58] <DanielTheFox> now, do you remember I had the internal hub disabled?
[22:58] <DanielTheFox> that way, you can't use USB keyboard anymore :)
[22:58] <DanielTheFox> so you can't safely shut the system down*
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> *you can, but requires SSH login, which defeats the purpose of not having to connect and turn stuff on just to do a single command on the Pi
[22:59] <friendofafriend> I guess you could do that by UART?
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> so the fifth row is read by a cron job
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> each minute
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> * * * * *
[22:59] <DanielTheFox> if the fifth row is shorted, the command poweroff is called
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[23:00] <DanielTheFox> so it shuts down
[23:00] <friendofafriend> That's a very elegant solution.
[23:00] <DanielTheFox> that also means you have to wait up to 1 minute
[23:00] <DanielTheFox> I should have implemented interrupts and fork to background, but I'm super lazy, you know ;)
[23:00] <DanielTheFox> a cron job was easier
[23:00] <DanielTheFox> and only requires me to wait up to 1 minute anyway
[23:01] <friendofafriend> Lazy is a virtue.
[23:02] <DanielTheFox> now, teleporting to tunnels
[23:02] <DanielTheFox> I think they should be used backwards
[23:02] <DanielTheFox> getting electronics from USA (super low cost) and crossing them to Mexico, bypassing customs and import taxes
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[23:03] <DanielTheFox> particularly, that would be nice with Pi Zero W
[23:03] <friendofafriend> It's a very good idea. I think shipping is the killer, right?
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[23:03] <DanielTheFox> yes
[23:03] <EightHundo> Smugglers will tax you more than the import taxes will cost.
[23:03] <DanielTheFox> unless you were going to send me 150 computers
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> in that case, official taxes would start outrunning smuggler taxes
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> and national shipping is very cheap
[23:04] <friendofafriend> Oh, so you'd just have to get parts over the border and ship them nationally?
[23:04] <DanielTheFox> Baja California to Chiapas (crossing the whole country) is 150 MXN through DHL
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[23:05] <DanielTheFox> like ~8 USD
[23:05] <EightHundo> Possibly but how much do 150 computers weigh and can you hide them in burlap sacs and gas tanks?
[23:05] <DanielTheFox> EightHundo: 150 RPi 0w
[23:05] * friendofafriend is walking awfully funny, for some reason.
[23:05] <DanielTheFox> they will weight considerably, but not as much as x86-based desktop computers
[23:06] <friendofafriend> And they're easier to swallow.
[23:06] <DanielTheFox> and if you added microSD cards, they would not make a dent in the weight
[23:06] <DanielTheFox> aha, yes
[23:06] <DanielTheFox> glad I won't let my small sister use my computers :)
[23:06] <DanielTheFox> ohh, like, swallowing drugs?
[23:06] <friendofafriend> MicroSD cards would be a breeze to mule, you can shove like thirty of them in your nose.
[23:07] <DanielTheFox> actually, both are so awful I don't consider them
[23:07] <DanielTheFox> better stick to gas tankers and sacks
[23:07] <EightHundo> How much do they cost down there? RPi’s?
[23:08] <DanielTheFox> EightHundo: the Pi Zero W is like 20 USD from less dishonest sellers
[23:09] <DanielTheFox> and they aren't as ubiquitous in electronics stores as in USA
[23:09] <DanielTheFox> like, you don't walk to your favorite electronics shop and walk off with a Pi Zero W
[23:10] <DanielTheFox> at most you walk off with some wires, LEDs, resistors or, at most, fancy overpriced tech such as a "hovering soccer ball" or "full-automatic multimeter"
[23:10] <friendofafriend> It's great to know there's a Raspberry Pi 3B for sale in my zipcode. Wouldn't make sense to drive 100 miles for a Zero.
[23:11] <friendofafriend> The US hasn't had proper electronics stores in a very long time.
[23:11] <EightHundo> I’m not to far from the border and live in a pretty non-tech town. I can get electronic components but Pi’s come from Amazon.
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[23:12] <EightHundo> R.I.P RadioShack
[23:12] <lopta> I think my next Raspberry Pi might be a B+
[23:12] <DanielTheFox> who has the fault? :)
[23:12] <lopta> US$ 30.
[23:12] <lopta> I'm hoping NetBSD will run nicely on it.
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[23:13] <friendofafriend> Yeah, but RadioShack was a zombie anyway. Cell phone dealer. HDMI cable seller. Long way from those Mims books and the 300-in-1 kit.
[23:13] <lopta> "You've got questions? We've got batteries!"
[23:13] * DanielTheFox wants some RPi Zero W, not desesperately, but yes, he wants some :)
[23:14] <EightHundo> I still have my 300-in-1 kit. The one with the springs to make connections!
[23:14] <lopta> DanielTheFox: Looks like those are US$ 10 here.
[23:14] <lopta> (sans header)
[23:14] <DanielTheFox> yes
[23:14] <lopta> $14 for the one with headers.
[23:15] <friendofafriend> They're neat boards, the 3B+ is the best performance for the price Raspi.
[23:15] <DanielTheFox> I can solder wires to the pads, no problem
[23:15] <DanielTheFox> I have a 3B+ :)
[23:15] <DanielTheFox> but for some specific uses (especially regarding powersaving and embebbed functionality) a Zero W would ne nicer
[23:15] <lopta> friendofafriend: I'd like a 3B+ too but that'll have to wait.
[23:15] <friendofafriend> I wouldn't want to build a cluster of them, if each needed an SD card.
[23:15] <DanielTheFox> heh
[23:16] <DanielTheFox> if someone was going to teleport these to me, I'd also order SD cards
[23:17] <lopta> 3A+ is $25. That would let me run some 5 GHz WiFi tests.
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[23:17] * lopta looks for a thing
[23:17] <DanielTheFox> there is some Ubiquiti networks antenna nearby, unencrypted, 5 GHz, but can't connect to it
[23:17] <DanielTheFox> somehow it can send data but not receive it :P
[23:18] <lopta> I can use a laptop for one end of the link. Ideally I'd use two Pi 3A+ boards on sticks but that adds to the cost a bit.
[23:19] <DanielTheFox> heh
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[23:21] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: also, do you have arduinos?
[23:22] <friendofafriend> A handful, clones. I mostly use the ESP8266 on the ESP-01 board. I've got an ESP32 and a TI Tiva-C board.
[23:22] <DanielTheFox> how useful are they?
[23:22] <DanielTheFox> do they behave like FPGA?
[23:22] <DanielTheFox> (also, are they compatible with actual arduinos?)
[23:22] <friendofafriend> Nothing like a FPGA, I wish. They're fantastically useful.
[23:23] <friendofafriend> All of those boards can be programmed with Arduino IDE.
[23:23] <DanielTheFox> or they're like the Orange, Banana, blargh
[23:23] <DanielTheFox> ah, no, they're compatible then
[23:23] <DanielTheFox> :)
[23:23] <DanielTheFox> ever attempted to program ASM on them?
[23:23] <friendofafriend> No, the clones are completely compatible. I've got an ATTiny85 there as well.
[23:23] <friendofafriend> Nope, not a bit of ASM on them. Happy to do blinkies and rip code from github.
[23:24] <DanielTheFox> as far as I'm concerned, they have 2 KB RAM and 32 KB flash ROM
[23:24] <DanielTheFox> it's not a lot of memory that you'd use for anything beyond ASM
[23:24] <DanielTheFox> if they're based on the ATMega328, then I already somewhat know how they work
[23:25] <friendofafriend> I'm using an Arduino Uno to read RFID data from an AD2000-M RFID reader, very pleased with the setup.
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[23:25] <friendofafriend> It's doing types it was never intended to do, like HID Prox and stuff.
[23:25] <DanielTheFox> nice
[23:25] <DanielTheFox> I wish I had a breadboard (or two), some jumper wires and a handful of those boards too
[23:26] <sponge337> Hello, how can I configure my raspberry pi server, so I can access it from my phone within my local network?
[23:26] <DanielTheFox> sponge337: what you mean with "from my phone"?
[23:26] <friendofafriend> sponge337: You'll want an ssh client on your phone.
[23:26] <DanielTheFox> you most likely want SSH server, yes
[23:26] <DanielTheFox> for commands and all that stuff
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[23:27] <sponge337> DanielTheFox: friendofafriend : Lets say I am running a web server on my raspberry, I want to visit <local_ip_of_rpi> on my phone and see the contents
[23:27] <DanielTheFox> ah, then
[23:27] <DanielTheFox> well, it's not that hard
[23:27] <DanielTheFox> you just need to know Pi's IP in the network
[23:27] <DanielTheFox> and that both devices are in the same network
[23:28] <friendofafriend> Right, just http://<theraspisIP>
[23:28] <DanielTheFox> and that there's a web server working on the Pi
[23:28] <sponge337> Hope its that easy =)
[23:28] <friendofafriend> Sure, you can probably even connect by its hostname, like http://raspberrypi
[23:29] <DanielTheFox> and, obviously, if you want a fancy website, you'll need to put it in the Pi, using the Pi
[23:29] <DanielTheFox> you can use those HTML makers, or just write HTML
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[23:30] <DanielTheFox> or you don't even need a webpage, you can make a directory list on the Pi
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[23:30] <DanielTheFox> so you can access your files from your phone and download them to the phone if you want to
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[23:30] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: that's exactly what I want one Pi Zero W for
[23:30] <sponge337> DanielTheFox: With an ftp server?
[23:30] <DanielTheFox> :P
[23:30] <DanielTheFox> sponge337: well, yes, but most web servers can auto-generate file listings too
[23:31] <DanielTheFox> for instance, Apache and nginx (the two most popular) can do it
[23:31] <sponge337> interesting
[23:31] <friendofafriend> You don't need FTP, you can use scp to get files on your device by SSHd.
[23:32] <DanielTheFox> and if you click on the link, it'll open/download (that's up to the phone itself) the file through HTTP, so you can actually get your files without downloading apps from anywhere
[23:32] <friendofafriend> So you write some HTML page, "foo.html", and then just scp ./foo.html pi@raspberrypi:~/
[23:33] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: so that's what I want a Pi Zero W for
[23:34] <DanielTheFox> making a portable AP, have my files there and let friends with cellphones connect to it and grab files
[23:34] <sponge337> DanielTheFox: cool idea
[23:34] <DanielTheFox> I know a tiny bit of PHP, I wrote some simple page that accepts file uploads, so even file sharing can be done
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[23:35] <friendofafriend> DanielTheFox: There was some project called "PirateBox" like that.
[23:35] <DanielTheFox> yes
[23:36] <friendofafriend> Yeah, this thing. https://piratebox.cc/
[23:36] <DanielTheFox> actually, it's one of the functions of my Pi 3B+
[23:36] <friendofafriend> OpenWRT-based. Pretty rad.
[23:36] <DanielTheFox> but again, using a 3B+ for that is... kind of a waste
[23:36] <friendofafriend> Does .mx use ATSC for HDTV, DanielTheFox?
[23:36] <DanielTheFox> mostly HDTV
[23:37] <DanielTheFox> like USA
[23:37] <DanielTheFox> but most people appear to stick to their old TVs and use decoder boxes
[23:37] <DanielTheFox> or give up on TV and watch DVDs
[23:39] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: what would you do with 100 pi0w?
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[23:39] <DanielTheFox> (well, actually, a maximum of 100 pi0w)
[23:39] <DanielTheFox> you can use 1, 2, 40, 50, 99, 100, any number from 1 to 100
[23:41] <friendofafriend> I could use the computing power, so I'd just boot them over USB and have them demodulate signals from SDRs.
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[23:42] <friendofafriend> How about you, DanielTheFox?
[23:42] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[23:42] <DanielTheFox> I'd be unable to use them all at once
[23:42] <DanielTheFox> so I can only list separate uses
[23:42] <friendofafriend> Reason I asked about ATSC, was because it's great to have a tuner on a Raspi when the Internet goes out.
[23:42] <DanielTheFox> 1: I'd directly solder RCA output to wire, so I can finally use one for RCA output
[23:43] <DanielTheFox> 2: Portable AP
[23:43] <DanielTheFox> 3: Evil portable prank AP (1st april pranks, not truly evil pranks)
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[23:43] <DanielTheFox> 3: Make them two talk over GPIO for testing programs
[23:43] <friendofafriend> Ever played with rpitx?
[23:44] <DanielTheFox> RPi Texas?
[23:44] <DanielTheFox> not yet
[23:44] <DanielTheFox> no, whatever
[23:44] <DanielTheFox> what is rpitx?
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[23:44] <DanielTheFox> I can assume Raspberry Pi + Transmit (Tx) out of the name
[23:44] <friendofafriend> It's a way to transmit radio signals from the Pi, with nothing else.
[23:44] <DanielTheFox> so... you make your Pi into a... transmitter of some kind?
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[23:45] <friendofafriend> Just a wire on the GPIO pin. Yep.
[23:45] <DanielTheFox> ah, now I get it
[23:45] <friendofafriend> You can transmit AM, FM, data, all kinds of things.
[23:45] <DanielTheFox> neat
[23:45] <DanielTheFox> how expensive is that?
[23:45] <friendofafriend> Free.
[23:45] <friendofafriend> Software.
[23:45] <DanielTheFox> ahh?
[23:45] <DanielTheFox> that's super cool
[23:45] <friendofafriend> https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx
[23:46] <DanielTheFox> I expected some kind of HAT or GPIO-connected peripheral
[23:46] <friendofafriend> Nope, just a wire.
[23:46] <DanielTheFox> not even a second wire for GND?
[23:46] <DanielTheFox> that's even cooler
[23:46] <friendofafriend> Nope, just one lonely wire.
[23:46] <DanielTheFox> hahaha
[23:46] <DanielTheFox> I should give it a try
[23:46] <friendofafriend> If you have a lot of analog TV sets, you would be interested in this. https://github.com/cnlohr/channel3
[23:47] <DanielTheFox> ...but of course I need more RPi for testing
[23:47] <DanielTheFox> btw
[23:47] <friendofafriend> It's using one of those ~$1 ESP8266s for transmitting NTSC.
[23:47] <DanielTheFox> ah
[23:47] <DanielTheFox> yeah, I have a TV that only accepts RF
[23:47] <DanielTheFox> with some hacking it can be made to accept composite, or even S-Video or NTSC RGB
[23:47] <DanielTheFox> but meh, I'll stick to what we have
[23:47] <friendofafriend> You can use rpitx on your Raspi, and then tune audio with an AM/FM radio from it. Pretty neat.
[23:48] <DanielTheFox> rpitx allows transmitting music? or what?
[23:48] <friendofafriend> Sure, rpitx can take an MP3 file as an input.
[23:48] <friendofafriend> Or your microphone, anything.
[23:48] <DanielTheFox> I still don't get how that works, I'll read more
[23:48] <DanielTheFox> it looks super cool tho
[23:49] <friendofafriend> I have used GNURadio to pass samples to rpitx for data. Did that when setting up a CC1101 radio module.
[23:49] <DanielTheFox> how long it reaches?
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[23:49] <friendofafriend> Not far. It isn't a very clean signal, so you should use a bandpass filter if you're going to transmit a lot.
[23:49] <DanielTheFox> hmm, no problem
[23:50] <DanielTheFox> "not far" means 30 metres?
[23:50] <friendofafriend> I've been able to receive it like 500 metres.
[23:50] <DanielTheFox> haha
[23:51] <DanielTheFox> it can definitely reach more or less like an FRS walkie-talkie between houses and trees
[23:52] <DanielTheFox> if you're close, is the signal usable for music?
[23:52] <DanielTheFox> or it's just too dirty for that?
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[23:52] <DanielTheFox> I'd like to play music on old boombox with only CD, AM/FM receiver and tape
[23:52] <friendofafriend> It's pretty nasty to the spectrum without a filter.
[23:52] <DanielTheFox> (and I want to use the tape recorder)
[23:52] <DanielTheFox> ah, then, not good
[23:52] <friendofafriend> Yes, and then you need something to receive.
[23:53] <friendofafriend> So, you could use a boombox, but if you're sending data you would be better with an RTL-SDR.
[23:53] <DanielTheFox> but at least it works for my older quest of sending signals between two apart Pi Zero W
[23:53] <friendofafriend> Or a radio scanner with discriminator output.
[23:53] <DanielTheFox> RTL-SDR
[23:53] <DanielTheFox> sounds fancy
[23:53] <friendofafriend> Well, it would send signals, but you would still have to receive them.
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[23:54] <friendofafriend> The RTL-SDR is a receiver only. It's a hack on a DVB-T TV tuner based on the RTL2832u chip.
[23:54] <friendofafriend> Oh, and about $7US.
[23:54] <DanielTheFox> on the other hand
[23:54] <DanielTheFox> despite being very dirty to the spectrum
[23:55] <DanielTheFox> does it cause problems in the target frequency alone?
[23:55] <DanielTheFox> (like, it'll be very noisy even on the frequency you'd like to lie on)
[23:55] <friendofafriend> No, it makes a lot of harmonics on other frequencies.
[23:55] <DanielTheFox> oh
[23:55] <DanielTheFox> ok, so the sound at the receiver end will be weird
[23:55] <friendofafriend> And it doesn't sound fantastic even on the one you've chosen. The fidelity is not great.
[23:56] <friendofafriend> But, for data? Oh, perfectly fine.
[23:56] <DanielTheFox> ok
[23:56] <DanielTheFox> and it'll work good enough for "emergency" stuff, right? :P
[23:57] <DanielTheFox> like, if you for some reason want to emit voice in 89.9 FM, it works for that
[23:57] <DanielTheFox> (as long as you're in range)
[23:57] <friendofafriend> Very much, yes.
[23:57] <DanielTheFox> that's something I'd like to test right right now
[23:57] <DanielTheFox> :P
[23:57] <friendofafriend> git clone that repo on over.
[23:57] <DanielTheFox> just a single cable, dangling anywhere
[23:57] <friendofafriend> And you can do it with the Zero, too.
[23:58] <DanielTheFox> yap
[23:58] <friendofafriend> So a short-range transmitter for pretty cheap.
[23:58] <DanielTheFox> hahahahaha
[23:58] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[23:58] <friendofafriend> You could filter and amplify the signal, also.
[23:58] <DanielTheFox> why I didn't even know about that? :P
[23:58] <DanielTheFox> yeah, amplify might be handy
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[23:58] <friendofafriend> Why didn't I know about negative overvolt values? ;P
[23:59] <friendofafriend> Catch up in a bit, out for a walk.
[23:59] <DanielTheFox> ok, see ya

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