#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-02-24

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[0:04] <Syzygy> I'm trying to set up tensorboard on raspbian. I did pip3 install tensorboard and it was installed successfully. but now I can't execute tensorboard. I'm fairly new to linux and raspberry
[0:05] <friendofafriend> Syzygy: Have you tried typing "tensorboard"?
[0:06] <Syzygy> of course. that is what is not working.
[0:06] <friendofafriend> What message do you get, when you type it?
[0:07] <Syzygy> command not found
[0:07] <friendofafriend> Did you run "pip3 install tensorboard" as root?
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[0:08] <Syzygy> i probably did not. trying now. Sorry, i should probably go to bed...
[0:09] <friendofafriend> In the morning, try "sudo pip3 install tensorboard". Good luck.
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[0:11] <Syzygy> I'm used to type sudo before apt-get... but I used pip mostly on windows where i didn't need that. Seems to be working now. thanks a lot!
[0:11] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome. Have a good one.
[0:11] * ShorTie thinkz, 'sudo install coffee' in the mornin
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[0:20] <Syzygy> Can someone recommend a package for automatically syncing individual folders from google drive?
[0:24] <d0rm0us3> https://www.google.com/search?q=can+i+use+rsync+with+google+drive&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab
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[0:33] <ekiro> I have a I have a 3B+ without SD card and a SSD attached to it via USB-to-SATA cable. Can I load Ubuntu 18.04 on the SSD and get the Pi working ?
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[0:40] <DanielTheFox> ekiro, is the USB side (for the USB-to-SATA cable) USB 2.0 or 3.0?
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[0:40] <ekiro> 3.0
[0:40] <DanielTheFox> USB 3.0 has less chances of working with the built-in firmware USB bootloader
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[0:41] <DanielTheFox> USB 2.0 works better, and using a flashstick has even better chances
[0:41] <DanielTheFox> never-fail method for booting from any USB implies using a (small?) stub bootloader that takes care of loading the USB device using better drivers
[0:42] <ekiro> so i tried using etcher to flash ubuntu-18.04.2-preinstalled-server-armhf+raspi3.img.xz onto the SSD. then i pluggged in the SSD into the Pi and booted it up but it did not work
[0:42] <DanielTheFox> well
[0:42] <ekiro> lemme show u the error screen
[0:42] <DanielTheFox> obviously, you must decompress an image that ends in .xz
[0:43] * DanielTheFox doesn't remember what compression method uses .xz at the end
[0:43] <ekiro> yes etcher did that
[0:43] <DanielTheFox> ook
[0:43] <DanielTheFox> using Windows or Linux where flashing to SSD?
[0:44] <ekiro> macos
[0:44] <ekiro> https://i.imgur.com/FVMHo8U.jpg
[0:44] <DanielTheFox> oh, so you can't (properly) use dd for flashing, right?
[0:44] <ekiro> On a mac i should be able to do that, yes. but i used the etcher app
[0:44] <DanielTheFox> well
[0:44] <DanielTheFox> Ubuntu is assuming incorrectly that you are using an SD card
[0:45] <DanielTheFox> and is attempting to mount an (inexistent) SD card and command it
[0:45] <ekiro> how would i remedy this
[0:45] <DanielTheFox> it is a pre-made image
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[0:45] <DanielTheFox> you can't safely change stuff to make it expect USB device
[0:46] <DanielTheFox> so, uhh...
[0:46] <DanielTheFox> long story short, you can't, not with this image
[0:46] <ekiro> i see
[0:46] <DanielTheFox> it has been programmed to work on an SD card
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[0:46] <DanielTheFox> and you said you lack an SD card, so the program is failing, it is not expecting your usecase
[0:47] <ekiro> if I had an SD card what would i do then
[0:47] <DanielTheFox> well, you just flash
[0:47] <DanielTheFox> ...and use it
[0:47] <DanielTheFox> I am not experienced in how Ubuntu installer works on RPi
[0:47] <ekiro> hmm
[0:47] <ekiro> issue is none of my other devices have an SD card port
[0:47] <ekiro> just the pi
[0:47] <DanielTheFox> heh, that's a quite common issue
[0:48] <DanielTheFox> ekiro, you can attempt to flash Raspbian onto that SSD
[0:48] <DanielTheFox> the internal firmware bootloader successfully recognized the SSD
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[0:48] <DanielTheFox> which is often the hardest part when loading OS from USB
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[0:49] <ekiro> so flash rasbian onto the ssd, then from there flash ubuntu on the sd?
[0:49] <DanielTheFox> yes
[0:49] <DanielTheFox> I've done it
[0:49] <ekiro> lol ok ill give it a shot
[0:50] <ekiro> will Raspbian Stretch Lite do?
[0:50] <DanielTheFox> yes
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[0:50] <DanielTheFox> I don't know if there's Etcher for Raspbian
[0:50] <ekiro> kk gonna try this now. will let u know if it works
[0:50] <DanielTheFox> you might want to resort to good old command-line :)
[0:50] <DanielTheFox> decompress the .xz file, then dump the .img file directly onto the SD card
[0:50] <ekiro> any tutorial you can link me to for that?
[0:51] <DanielTheFox> (which will be called mmcblk0
[0:51] <DanielTheFox> )
[0:51] <DanielTheFox> what step exactly?
[0:51] <DanielTheFox> ekiro, well
[0:51] <ekiro> flashing via cmd
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[0:51] <DanielTheFox> write this down on paper or text editor:
[0:51] <DanielTheFox> (for unzipping the .img file)
[0:52] <DanielTheFox> unzip input.zip
[0:52] <DanielTheFox> ok
[0:52] <ekiro> god that
[0:52] <ekiro> f=got
[0:52] <DanielTheFox> your input is not .zip
[0:53] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[0:53] <ekiro> mac auto unzips zip files. i have the .img file, was just curious about the dd flashing
[0:53] <ekiro> but it appears etcher can do this
[0:53] <DanielTheFox> ahh
[0:53] <DanielTheFox> ok
[0:53] <DanielTheFox> if you have the bare .img file
[0:54] <DanielTheFox> then it's even easier
[0:54] <ekiro> ok flash my SSD with the rasbian, will proceed to plug it into the pi and boot up
[0:54] <DanielTheFox> dd if=your_image.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 status=progress
[0:55] <DanielTheFox> you probably want to transfer the Ubuntu .img file to the SSD right after flashing, or any step where you're able to stuff files onto the SSD
[0:55] <DanielTheFox> (after flashing, of course)
[0:55] <ekiro> ah
[0:55] <ekiro> ok will do that
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[0:56] <DanielTheFox> change your_image.img with the correct name and location (if not in current directory) of your ububtu .img file
[0:56] <DanielTheFox> the of= one is right, that location is always the SD card
[0:57] <DanielTheFox> status=progress lets you see the write operation progress
[0:58] <DanielTheFox> ok, so gtg
[0:58] <DanielTheFox> bye
[0:58] <ekiro> kk thxt
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[1:18] <degenerate> what does this do: dtoverlay=w1-gpio in /boot/config.txt
[1:18] <degenerate> does it in any way conflict with running i2c i.e. dtparam=i2c_arm=on and dtparam=i2c1=on
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[1:28] <tristero> degenerate: see /boot/overlays/README
[1:28] <degenerate> thanks it was a stupid question and i've figured it out
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[1:36] <_unreal_> hello
[1:37] <_unreal_> trying to figure out how to get the GPIO's to be usable with linuxcnc
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[2:07] <ekiro> i managed to get ubuntu installed on my SD card, but how do i get it installed on my USB attached SSD and then boot from it? i have a RPi 3+
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[2:09] <NorthwestVegan> i dont think raspi will boot off anything except the sd card
[2:09] <ekiro> its possible
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[2:10] <Phischi> hello
[2:11] <Phischi> just wondering, is it now standard that everything aside the SD is in RAM? https://pastebin.com/FAWBb6ue
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[2:11] <Phischi> first boot with the latest Rasbian Lite
[2:11] <Phischi> +p
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[2:16] <shauno> that's normal in most distros now, for most ephemerals to run in tmpfs
[2:16] <shauno> especially given that the sdcard's lifetime is measured in write cycles, why write temporary files to it?
[2:20] <Phischi> so, do I have to change something else to reduce writes even more?
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[2:31] <ekiro> DanielTheFox there?
[2:39] <rcx1000> whats the easyest and best way to have a background image with buttons over top of it the buttons need to be images also
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[2:44] <friendofafriend> rcx1000: A background image with buttons that do what, exactly?
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[2:53] <Phischi> shauno: any idea?
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[2:56] <rcx1000> for my program
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[2:57] <rcx1000> my program need a background image
[2:57] <rcx1000> then i need buttons
[2:57] <rcx1000> tkinter doesnt seem to do it the way i want to
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[3:13] <friendofafriend> Might try a PHP script and a web browser in kiosk mode.
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[3:20] <rcx1000> ?
[3:20] <Phischi> I wonder if there's any way to get something like Screenly, but with a better web-interface for setting up the playlist?
[3:22] <Phischi> two major flaws in Screenly OSE: you have to set up playlist-entries again after it's set end-date occurs. No way to set this to repaiting daily/weekly. And for eg. setting a lunchbreak-info you have to redo this every day, too.
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[3:32] <ekiro> is it possible to install ubuntu on a usb attached ssd?
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[5:31] <_unreal_> hello
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[5:33] <ball> Hello _unreal_
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[6:52] <toastintheshell> hello indeed
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[7:26] <_unreal_> well now that I've been asleep in my chair for some time I guess I'll go to bed
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[9:57] <pokmo> if we were to compare the performance/power ratio of, say, the rpi 3B+ with some 5, 6yo PC intel chip, how would it stack up?
[9:57] <pokmo> say, with a i5-2400
[10:00] <Lartza> pokmo, Poorly
[10:00] <pokmo> Lartza in favour of the Intel?
[10:00] <Lartza> Yes
[10:00] <Lartza> But you can't really compare
[10:00] <pokmo> even when it's a PC chip and 6yo?
[10:00] <Lartza> Totally
[10:01] <pokmo> Lartza why can't you compare?
[10:01] <Lartza> ARM vs x86
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[10:02] <Lartza> You can look at some benchmarks but it's not necessarily the whole truth, and you definitely can't just go and compare the two by theoretical speed from clock etc
[10:03] <Lartza> Also the Intel consumes over ten times more power for instance
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[10:04] <pokmo> i'm just looking at geekbench scores. rpi 3 gives around 1200 multi score whilst the i5 2400 gives around 9000. that's 7x
[10:05] <Lartza> Which is pretty poor :P
[10:05] <pokmo> i'm not sure if geekbench scores are linearly correlated
[10:05] <pokmo> but a i5 2400 system sits at idle at 21W and maxes out at around 80W
[10:05] <Lartza> Phoronix has some benchmarks here against an i3-8100 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=raspberrypi-3-bplus&num=1
[10:06] <Lartza> Which is roughly 30% faster than a i5-2400
[10:08] <pokmo> actually, when you have a score of 1000 by A and a score of 2000 by B, does that mean 2 of A performs as well as one of B?
[10:08] <pokmo> disregarding inefficiencies
[10:09] <Lartza> It might, kind of depends on the workload/application
[10:09] <Lartza> Also two model A's will use more power in the process I'd think
[10:09] <Lartza> Any IO heavy task will probably run faster on two A's for instance
[10:09] <pokmo> twice the IO bandwidth?
[10:10] <Lartza> It's all tied to the USB2 interface except for the SD which isn't fast either so yeah
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[10:14] <pokmo> right
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[13:46] <_unreal_> hello any one around?
[13:46] <Habbie> yes
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[13:49] <_unreal_> cool
[13:49] <_unreal_> hello
[13:49] <_unreal_> slowly trying to start figuring out the software for my tinkerboard GPIO's
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[14:59] <Encrypt> Hello everyone!
[14:59] <Encrypt> Is anyone using a kind of UPS for the Raspberry Pi?
[15:00] <Encrypt> What is the cheapest way to "keep it alive" in case of power outage?
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[15:02] <mlelstv> depends on what is cheap to you
[15:02] <Encrypt> mlelstv, Less than the Pi itself
[15:02] <mlelstv> the most simple way is a power bank that allows charging an discharging at the same time
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[15:03] <mlelstv> most power banks allow this
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[15:06] <amigojapan> Encrypt: just in case you are using it as a server, remember you also need to keep your router stuff powered
[15:07] <Encrypt> amigojapan, If there is a power outage my modem will be down anyway
[15:07] <amigojapan> right
[15:07] <Encrypt> I'd like to avoid abrupt shutdowns that can cdorrupt the SD Card
[15:07] <amigojapan> ah ok
[15:07] <Encrypt> I had designed something a few years ago... but I haven't had the opportunity to finish the assembly
[15:07] <mlelstv> the problem with a power bank is that you won't notice when power goes away.
[15:08] <Encrypt> That looks good: https://www.amazon.com/MakerFocus-Raspberry-Standard-Expansion-Cellphone/dp/B01LAEX7J0
[15:08] <Encrypt> mlelstv, If the network goes down then we can consider there is a power outage :P
[15:09] <Encrypt> mlelstv, That's what this guy did: https://raspi-ups.appspot.com/en/index.jsp
[15:09] <mlelstv> the rpi would need to shut down, so any disruption of the network would be terminal.
[15:12] <hodapp> ooh, I could probably use one of those boards
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[15:17] <hodapp> wonder if there are similarly-priced ones that give some feedback on battery status over USB-serial or something
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[15:25] <friendofafriend> Might check out http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS2
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[15:27] <idf> hello
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[15:34] <DanielTheFox> heyo friendofafriend
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[15:40] <friendofafriend> Howdy, DanielTheFox. How goes the Raspi?
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[15:46] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: fine
[15:46] <DanielTheFox> now I'd like to merge a whole folder of .mp3 files
[15:46] <DanielTheFox> whatever :)
[15:46] <DanielTheFox> with some scripting, that shouldn't be hard
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[15:47] <hodapp> merge them? like, into one MP3?
[15:48] <DanielTheFox> yap
[15:48] <DanielTheFox> but many do weird things or don't allow merging when sample rates or bitrates or whatever don't match
[15:49] <hodapp> sox can almost certainly do it but you may need a subsequent MP3 encode step with lame or something
[15:49] <DanielTheFox> again, some scripting might be able to do wonders into converting to same bitrate
[15:50] <DanielTheFox> hodapp: in that case, can sox merge MP3 into WAV? (or anything lossless or fast to encode)
[15:50] <hodapp> don't worry about same bitrate, just decode them
[15:50] <DanielTheFox> sox FAIL sox: Input files must have the same sample-rate
[15:51] <hodapp> sample-rate is another matter, but what sample rates do you have that deviate from 44.1 kHz?
[15:51] <DanielTheFox> 32kHz mostly
[15:51] * DanielTheFox prefers to go into PM, this is truly offtopic here
[15:52] <hodapp> it's okay her for now; we can move to PM if on-topic chat comes up
[15:52] <DanielTheFox> ok
[15:52] <DanielTheFox> well
[15:52] <hodapp> sox can convert sample-rates too, but I'm not sure if it will do that on-the-fly when concatenating
[15:52] <DanielTheFox> heh
[15:52] <DanielTheFox> and again, some scripting might be able to use ffmpeg for resampling
[15:53] <DanielTheFox> so, uhh
[15:53] <DanielTheFox> I'll stick to putting files manually to .wav using Audacity?
[15:53] * DanielTheFox is not sure if it's worth it
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[15:54] <hodapp> pretty sure 'sox foo.mp3 foo.wav' will do that conversion for you and a for-loop can do that pretty easily
[15:54] <DanielTheFox> ook, nice
[15:54] <hodapp> would you be upsampling to 44.1 or downsampling to 32?
[15:55] <DanielTheFox> down
[15:55] <DanielTheFox> (since output is going to be streamed to FM radio anyway, which is not exactly Hi-Fi)
[15:55] <hodapp> IIRC it's just 'sox foo.mp3 -r 32000 foo.wav' for the 'don't really care about quality' downsampling
[15:55] <DanielTheFox> ok
[15:56] <hodapp> sorry, 'sox foo.mp3 -r 32000 foo.wav rate'
[15:57] <hodapp> 'resample' instead of 'rate' is better quality... looks like they got rid of 'polyphase' sometime in the last 14 years
[15:58] <DanielTheFox> yap
[15:58] <DanielTheFox> .wav is easy to encode
[15:59] <DanielTheFox> and I attempt to preserve quality before losing it when converting to .ogg
[15:59] <DanielTheFox> (which is the target anyway)
[16:00] <hodapp> you may be able to just do 'sox foo1.wav foo2.wav foo3.wav foo4.wav output.ogg' but I have no idea what kind of vorbis encoding it'll do by default and it won't add any time-gap between things
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[16:02] <hodapp> another maybe-nice thing you can do at the same time as sample-rate conversion is normalize the levels of the sound so that the overall volume is consistent in the final result
[16:02] <hodapp> if you prepend --norm
[16:02] <DanielTheFox> ok, so the command line will do like
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[16:03] <DanielTheFox> sox --norm foo.mp3 -r 32000 foo.wav rate
[16:03] <DanielTheFox> right?
[16:03] <hodapp> that looks right to me
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[16:04] <DanielTheFox> hrm
[16:04] <DanielTheFox> complaining about not found input files :)
[16:04] <DanielTheFox> something in the ordering is wrong, I guess
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[16:05] <hodapp> weird, I just tried it with a file here
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[16:06] <DanielTheFox> changing from resample to rate fixed i
[16:06] <DanielTheFox> t
[16:06] <hodapp> quick-and-dirty for-loop is something like... for FNAME in *.mp3; do echo sox --norm "${FNAME}" -r 32000 "${FNAME}.wav" rate; done
[16:06] <hodapp> oh, you wrote 'rate' in the first place :P
[16:06] <hodapp> then if that list of commands looks right, remove the 'echo'
[16:07] <hodapp> you can also make bash replace .mp3 with .wav for you, but if the files are temporary and you're just gonna delete them, meh, why bother
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> yes, that's what I intend to do :)
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[16:08] <DanielTheFox> I'll later merge them :)
[16:08] <hodapp> fair enough
[16:08] <DanielTheFox> so the filenames won't be used anyway
[16:09] <DanielTheFox> I wonder if there is a GUI tool for merging audio files
[16:09] <DanielTheFox> that'll require encoding, a la ffmpeg (and will take some time) :)
[16:10] <hodapp> there will be encoding regardless
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[16:13] <hodapp> there is probably an mencoder one-liner that can do this too, sample-rate and all, but it would take you twice as long to figure out the right incantation as to just do it by hand
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[16:14] <friendofafriend> If all you need is merge, you don't have to reencode.
[16:14] <hodapp> friendofafriend: the differing sample rates rather complicate that
[16:15] <hodapp> also, I'm not sure how much MP3s like to have bit-rates that differ in that manner
[16:15] <DanielTheFox> from many sources
[16:15] <hodapp> if they were all identically-encoded MP3s, sure, they could be merged directly
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> some date from back when computers couldn't properly/rapidly encode 128 kbps (so they're 32khz 64kbps)
[16:16] <hodapp> it's okay, we totally understand that you absolutely did not get the files from KaZaA
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> some are from fancy editors who like feeling like pros and encode to 48 KHz and beyond, 320Kbps
[16:16] <DanielTheFox> (those ones drive me nuts)
[16:16] <hodapp> o_O
[16:17] <hodapp> also, take 5 extra minutes and put all this stuff into one script, and now you don't need to remember anything much except for where you stuck the script \o/
[16:17] <DanielTheFox> the best part is that some of those 320kbps files sound like ripping audio from cassettes using a regular boombox
[16:18] <hodapp> gotta have all those extra bits to encode the noise faithfully
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> haha, true
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> the true tape experience
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> I like tapes, but I'm pretty sure digital sources sound better
[16:18] <DanielTheFox> of course, depends on used audio codecs and settings
[16:19] <friendofafriend> Depends on your tapes. ;)
[16:19] <Encrypt> friendofafriend | Might check out http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS2 // That's $109 :x
[16:19] <DanielTheFox> 8 KHz 8kbps MP3 is not going to sound any better than even the worst cheapest tape
[16:19] <hodapp> I have the Team Negative One encoding of Star Wars - the un-retouched 35mm film rip from a print of the original theater version
[16:19] <hodapp> it's 1080p so it keeps alllllll the original film grain
[16:20] <friendofafriend> Encrypt: You can bring your own batteries to the original. http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS
[16:20] <DanielTheFox> hodapp: haha
[16:21] <hodapp> well that and people also just want the original way it was shot
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> catting MP3 files like crazy to the same destination (cat-concatenating) and them ffmpeg-ing them to .ogg works too
[16:21] <DanielTheFox> MP3 headerless magic is just magic, even if you do "mistakes" like this one, audio sounds alright
[16:22] <DanielTheFox> of course, I'd like to normalize audio somewhere in the process, but otherwise, cool
[16:22] <DanielTheFox> or compress
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[16:35] <Encrypt> friendofafriend, mlelstv, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jNDk1o2KDs
[16:35] <Encrypt> That's €25
[16:35] <Encrypt> https://www.amazon.de/POWERWALKER-SecureAdapter-Li-Ion-Netzteil-Hohlstecker/dp/B01649HDVE
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[16:40] <friendofafriend> Sheesh, 3.7V/2600mAh . It's just one 18650 in there.
[16:44] <friendofafriend> ..."With 20000mAh capacity,you don't have to worry about power dies while on-the-go.No worry about power off in Hurricane Days"
[16:44] <friendofafriend> I hate power dies! >:(
[16:45] <Encrypt> friendofafriend, There is that nice board too: http://www.mini-box.com/picoUPS-100-12V-DC-micro-UPS-system-battery-backup-system?sc=8&category=1264
[16:46] <Encrypt> $30
[16:46] <friendofafriend> Not bad, if you've already got some lead acid batteries around.
[16:47] <friendofafriend> I guess you'd have to get readings from the batteries externally, but that's not the end of the world.
[16:58] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: hey
[16:58] <DanielTheFox> we have power outages quite frequently
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[16:59] <DanielTheFox> on rainy days, it can be up to daily, and depending on wind, it can last from few minutes to hours or even whole days
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[17:00] <Encrypt> friendofafriend, https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/AC-DC-LED-UPS-Charge-function-monitor-switching-mode-power-supply-12v-35w-SC35W-12/32339412208.html?spm=a2g0w.10010108.100008.4.49c67145j1ev14&pvid=bb3e7244-de64-4b48-9316-e17286aa3a03&gps-id=pcDetailLeftTrendProduct&scm=1007.13438.125068.0&scm-url=1007.13438.125068.0&scm_id=1007.13438.125068.0
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[17:01] <Encrypt> friendofafriend, https://www.enigma14.eu/wiki/5V_UPS_for_Raspberry_Pi
[17:02] <friendofafriend> That PCF8591 looks pretty neat!
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[17:02] <friendofafriend> https://www.enigma14.eu/wiki/AD_Converter_PCF8591_for_Raspberry_Pi
[17:03] <friendofafriend> I wonder if it'd be tough to integrate with NUTd.
[17:04] <Encrypt> His setup is nice
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[17:15] <DanielTheFox> hodapp: ever done fancy electronics projects using a Pi Zero?
[17:15] <DanielTheFox> the lack of headers on the GPIO pads might give them some flexibility
[17:17] <hodapp> DanielTheFox: depends on how "fancy" you mean. I've used them in paid work
[17:17] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[17:18] <DanielTheFox> fancy as in complex, they involve interactions with persons or directly affecting the physical world such as... robots
[17:18] <DanielTheFox> WiFi doesn't exactly "interact" with what humans see as "the physical world"
[17:18] <hodapp> sorta kinda
[17:18] <DanielTheFox> despite everything the Pi does eventually affects the physical world
[17:19] <hodapp> this used BLE, made direct use of the fact that a Pi Zero can act as a USB device, and communicated with something in the physical world indirectly
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[17:46] <solars> hi, can anyone tell me how to copy a 32GB image from SD card to an 8GB SD card? I only have a micro sd card reader in my laptop so I'm not sure how to use rpi-clone
[17:48] <d0rm0us3> With a magic wand?
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[17:48] <friendofafriend> Might try https://github.com/billw2/rpi-clone
[17:49] <d0rm0us3> 32gb onto a 8gb card?
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[17:50] <friendofafriend> Sure.
[17:50] <friendofafriend> You'd use the "-F" option, it's in the readme, number #7.
[17:50] <friendofafriend> Errr, #8 I guess.
[17:51] <d0rm0us3> That'd be some extreme compression.
[17:52] <friendofafriend> Highly doubt he's got 32GB of data in his image.
[17:53] <friendofafriend> But rather, an image of a 32GB card he's trying to put on an 8GB card. Raspbian Lite is like 2GB, and you'd have to install a lot of cruft to get to the edges of an 8GB card.
[17:55] <friendofafriend> I think gnome-disks will even do it automatically. Certainly you could get jiggy with gparted and make it work.
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[18:09] <solars> of course there are no 32GB of data on the image :) Otherwise it wouldn't make too much sense
[18:10] <solars> friendofafriend: I think rpi-clone is intended to be used on the Pi itself, wich an external sd card reader, right? I don't have a card reader, only in my laptop
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[18:13] <friendofafriend> It would probably be easier to use the laptop and clone the SD card offline.
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[18:16] <friendofafriend> solars: Seen https://github.com/Drewsif/PiShrink ?
[18:17] <friendofafriend> When you image your 32GB SD card, that will shrink the result to the size of only the allocated space.
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[18:21] <friendofafriend> When you write the shrunken image back to an SD card, you'll have to reexpand the filesystem through raspi-config.
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[20:21] <DanielTheFox> hello toastintheshell
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[20:30] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: hello sir
[20:31] <DanielTheFox> hi
[20:32] <toastintheshell> So I found an rpi image that has a ready-to-run Amazon & Netflix addon for kodi built in, but basically nothing else works right, lol
[20:33] <toastintheshell> So I guess I'll try to just go back to LibreELEC and get the same setup he had set up for that img on threre... might try out DarkELEC
[20:34] <DanielTheFox> heh, I'm enjoying wonders of FM radio
[20:35] <toastintheshell> On the pi?
[20:35] <toastintheshell> sdr?
[20:35] <DanielTheFox> emiting from the Pi
[20:35] <DanielTheFox> there is some project called rpitx
[20:36] <DanielTheFox> that uses the Pi's GPCLK to emit RF
[20:36] <DanielTheFox> you just need a wire coming from that pin
[20:36] <DanielTheFox> and knowing how to use that tool!
[20:36] <toastintheshell> oh that's sick, is it an OS download, or just installed on top of raspbian or something
[20:36] <DanielTheFox> raspbian
[20:36] <akk> Neat -- what kind of range does it have?
[20:37] <toastintheshell> you should hack a real antenna in there
[20:37] <DanielTheFox> akk: I use a 3.5mm 1.8m long aux cable
[20:37] <akk> Like can you broadcast radio that you could hear outside on the street, next door, down the block?
[20:37] <DanielTheFox> it appears to reach about 40 metres without affecting audio quality horribly
[20:37] <akk> Cool.
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[20:38] <toastintheshell> https://wwww.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCEexG9xjw
[20:38] <DanielTheFox> when I tested with walkie-talkie (which was a mess because I was puzzled about FRS/GMRS specs), it was able to reach 40 to 50 metres still with good audio quality, before simply quitting (due to noise squelch)
[20:38] <akk> Oh, heh, maybe this also means you could have a Pi audio server in a car that doesn't have an AUX stereo input. :)
[20:38] <toastintheshell> you should play that song on ur frequencies
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[20:39] <akk> (my car is a '99 and I'm too lazy to open up the dashboard and hack the radio to add an aux input)
[20:39] <toastintheshell> akk: that's a great idea
[20:40] <toastintheshell> can't believe every car doesn't have those
[20:40] <toastintheshell> at least ones without bluetooth
[20:40] <akk> toastintheshell: I'm not even sure our Volt has a normal AUX input, though it does have bluetooth (that works about 2/3 of the time) and USB.
[20:41] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: my dad has an old Ford Windstar from '97 and has only AM/FM receiver and audio CD player
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[20:41] <Habbie> how about streaming to it over 'umass gadget'? :)
[20:41] <toastintheshell> There was this really annoying period in the early 2000s till just recently when cars didn't have tape players, but also didn't have bluetooth, and most of them didn't come with aux
[20:42] <DanielTheFox> I like tape players
[20:42] <toastintheshell> so it was radio or cd, no way to live-input from a device\
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[20:42] <DanielTheFox> if I had a car, it'd be preferably an old one with tape player
[20:42] <akk> I remember shopping for a stereo for my last X1/9 and having to really hunt for one that had an aux input I could plug a phone plug into.
[20:42] <toastintheshell> well tape->3.5mm adapter works perfectly for mp3 players/etc.
[20:43] <DanielTheFox> I'd quickly attempt to fix the belt(s), they're easy to fix most of the time and they're almost always broken
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[20:43] <akk> I've never actually seen a tape->3.5 adapter. Most of the ones I've seen use FM.
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> there are here some devices
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[20:44] <DanielTheFox> that look like a cassette
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> but there's a 3.5mm cable going out them
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> and you connect that wire to a phone
[20:44] <toastintheshell> FM is messy, gotta worry about interference, tape-3.5mm is where it's at
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> or anything with 3.5mm
[20:44] <akk> Hmm, ebay does have a ton of them, I should try one.
[20:45] <DanielTheFox> 3.5mm-FM adapters are nice, since they work on anything close around
[20:45] <DanielTheFox> and there are only two very far away FM stations anyway
[20:45] <DanielTheFox> there are more than 25 in Villahermosa, and at least 10 in Palenque (the cities I've been more frequently in)
[20:46] <akk> I've heard that most of the FM adapters have crappy sound quality. Not true?
[20:46] <DanielTheFox> not dad's Steren 3.5mm adapter
[20:46] <toastintheshell> yeah they're available at most truckstops
[20:46] <DanielTheFox> but in exchange it just has 4 frequencies to grab
[20:46] <toastintheshell> I've bought a couple adapters that were basically unusable
[20:46] <DanielTheFox> 88.1 to 88.7
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> the RPi can emit anywhere, even outside standard FM band
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> and has fair enough quality
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[20:48] <toastintheshell> What is the actual freq range the pi can theoretically emit?
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> the program appears to be able to emit from 150 KHz to ~500 MHz?
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> or 800 MHz?
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[20:48] <DanielTheFox> I forgot what the upper number whas
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> *was
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> the usable range depends on the antenna
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> I guess lower frequencies might require a larger antenna
[20:49] <Klaus_Dieter> 500Mhz seems to be on the high end.
[20:50] <DanielTheFox> I can't use MF (standard AM) band
[20:50] <DanielTheFox> not even a carrier
[20:50] <DanielTheFox> so I guess I'm using the wrong antenna :)
[20:51] <Klaus_Dieter> I have a raspi B here and it seems that the mixer below 40% just keeps the alsa device muted. I cannot hear any volume. above 40% it seems normal
[20:52] <Klaus_Dieter> sounds like the mixer control goes below what is reasonable
[20:52] <toastintheshell> man radio is such a cool field, it all just seems like wizard magic when you get down to the low-level engineering stuff
[20:54] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: so that's one thing I'd use a RPi Zero W for :)
[20:54] <toastintheshell> some day I'll get around to ham/sdr stuff
[20:55] <toastintheshell> you'd prefer the ZeroWh right?
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> both work
[20:55] <DanielTheFox> the Zero W, I can directly solder a cable for the antenna
[20:55] <toastintheshell> just tell me your preference damnit
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> the Zero WH, I can fit an antenna with some black electric tape or some plastic connector
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> so... I prefer the Zero W
[20:56] <toastintheshell> lol, k
[20:56] <DanielTheFox> I like soldering things, that makes the deal more "permanent"
[20:56] <toastintheshell> PM me where to send it again?
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[20:58] <akk> Wow, all the cassette-3.5mm adapters I can find have terrible reviews. I think I'll stick to earbuds (at least til I try this transmitting-FM-from-the-pi thing :)
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[20:59] <hodapp> they all have terrible reviews because they're all terrible
[20:59] <hodapp> but the FM transmitters also kind of suck...
[20:59] <hodapp> however, if you're playing things like podcasts and don't care a lot about quality, it may be fine for your needs
[20:59] <DanielTheFox> from the wrong standpoint, everything can suck
[21:00] <toastintheshell> don't drive with earbuds akk, that's dangerous :o
[21:00] <hodapp> this is just from the general standpoint of quality compared to most other electronics you might come into contact with
[21:00] <akk> toastintheshell: Why? I can still hear way more road noise than someone in a Lexus with the windows up.
[21:00] <toastintheshell> in my experience, unless you're a picky audiophile 3.5mm->cassette is fine
[21:01] <toastintheshell> the radio transmitters are mostly garbage I wouldn't piss on if I was strapped to a pile of garbage and had to piss
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[21:01] <hodapp> but I used both cassette adapters and FM transmitters for 7-8 years before just buying a cheap stereo that could do Bluetooth and installing it myself, and immediately far preferred this
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[21:02] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: hello
[21:03] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: hello... didn't we just do this?
[21:03] <DanielTheFox> dejà vu
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[22:58] <alexande_> hi guys
[22:59] <alexande_> did anybody ever try to connect a Steelseries Nimbus controller to RPi?
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[23:04] <alexanderre> anybody here? :)
[23:04] <BurtyB> I think so :)
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[23:11] <toastintheshell> alexandre9099: howdy hi
[23:12] <alexandre9099> hi, but i guess you didn't meant to tag me ;)
[23:13] <alexandre9099> or maybe you did?
[23:13] <toastintheshell> lol, apparently not, I thought you might be an alternate of this person asking about nimbus controllers
[23:13] <toastintheshell> but hello anyway
[23:13] <alexandre9099> no problem :)
[23:13] * mlelstv only knows Nimbus brooms
[23:14] <toastintheshell> has anybody connected a numbus 2000 to the pi?
[23:14] <toastintheshell> now that'd be swell
[23:14] <toastintheshell> *nimbus
[23:15] <toastintheshell> more serious question, what are peoples' experiences with chromium os?
[23:17] <toastintheshell> is it basically just chromium running on X11? or is there a bunch of other stuff in there?
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[23:42] <H__> drat, python3 flask 'hello world' eats 10% cpu on rpi1
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[23:54] <Habbie> H__, doing nothing?
[23:55] <H__> yes. I just found it's the flask debugger. Without the debugger the load is near 0
[23:56] <Habbie> hah, ok
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