#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-02-25

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[0:12] <Jigsy> Coding challenge: Code a "Hello World!" program that eats 100% of CPU. :3
[0:14] <Jigsy> I should probably learn C. Rpi comes preinstalled with a C compiler, yes?
[0:15] <toastintheshell> while True:\n print("Helloworld")
[0:15] <toastintheshell> seems to take up most of the cpu on this rpi
[0:16] <toastintheshell> gcc I think comes with raspbian unless I forgot I installed it
[0:16] <akk> I think so, but if not, it's an apt-get install away.
[0:17] <akk> apt-get install build-essential
[0:18] <toastintheshell> anyone tried windows on arm yet? (not IOTcore)
[0:19] <toastintheshell> I'd really like to hear about how slow it runs
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[0:19] <Jigsy> Wouldn't it have to be IoT Core?
[0:20] <Jigsy> Or is there another version of Windows for ARM I haven't heard about?
[0:20] <toastintheshell> for that matter, what is IOTcore like? is it like just a minimal desktop environment, or what?
[0:20] <Habbie> Jigsy, yes to that last question
[0:20] <Jigsy> Oh?
[0:20] <Habbie> toastintheshell, my impression was it had no desktop at all
[0:20] <toastintheshell> there is a full-fledged windows 10 build for rpi now
[0:20] <Jigsy> Windows 10, I'm guessing?
[0:20] <Jigsy> Ah.
[0:20] <Habbie> https://news.google.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+windows
[0:20] <Klaus_Dieter> why would anybody want that, giventhat linux runs on these devices?
[0:21] <mlelstv> religion
[0:21] <toastintheshell> why would anyone want windows given that linux runs on most devices?
[0:21] <Habbie> see
[0:21] <Jigsy> I believe the only reason I'd use Windows is for x86 programs.
[0:21] <Habbie> as toastintheshell demonstrates, the question makes no sense
[0:21] <akk> One thing I'm never clear on: is windows somehow free on RPi when it's not on intel?
[0:21] <Habbie> akk, iotcore seemed free to me; i doubt this new thing is
[0:22] <Jigsy> That said, isn't there that thing for RPi which allows you to hack to x86 architecture?
[0:22] * Jigsy forgets the name.
[0:22] <Habbie> Jigsy, emulators, yes
[0:22] <akk> I haven't really looked because I have no reason to want windows, but it did make me curious.
[0:22] <Habbie> a $35 windows machine seems interesting to me
[0:22] <Jigsy> Habbie: Yeah, but there's a specific pay-for program.
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[0:22] <Habbie> Jigsy, there is, i forgot the name
[0:22] <Jigsy> Exagear.
[0:22] <Jigsy> That was it.
[0:22] <akk> If you just want a cheap slow windows machine, ebay is full of old computers.
[0:22] <mlelstv> when you want windows, it will cost you something. Until then it's free.
[0:23] <Habbie> akk, they'll draw more power for the same terrible performance
[0:23] <akk> True, Habbie, but OTOH they're intel-based and so can run normal windows programs.
[0:23] <Jigsy> I still don't understand how one can just magically to a different architecture.
[0:23] <Habbie> Jigsy, it's not magical
[0:23] <Habbie> Jigsy, it comes with a huge overhead
[0:23] <toastintheshell> I believe you need a windows license for the rpi version
[0:23] <Habbie> Jigsy, anything that can make the overhead really small is close to magic, though
[0:23] <akk> I mean, windows on its own without outside programs can't do much, it's not like a full debian distro or anything.
[0:24] <Habbie> akk, it comes with a web browser; and many people need nothing more than what ChromeOS gives them, so.. :)
[0:24] <akk> Sure, but then why would they need windows?
[0:24] <akk> Linux has web browsers too.
[0:24] <akk> and chromeos, as you say
[0:24] <Habbie> because their machine came with windows
[0:25] <Habbie> i'd love a good chromeos build for pi btw
[0:25] <akk> I thought we were talking about reasons to go out of your way to obtain, maybe pay for, and install windows on a Pi.
[0:25] <toastintheshell> yeah web browsing on the pi is trecherous enough as it is with a minimal raspbian
[0:25] <Habbie> akk, oh, i didn't feel the conversation had a very specific objective
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[0:26] <toastintheshell> chromeos with widevine would be super useful for online VOD watching and such
[0:27] <toastintheshell> although I'm kind of toying with the idea of phasing google out of every aspect of my life as is reasonably possible
[0:28] <Klaus_Dieter> toastintheshell: been there, done that.
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[0:31] <Klaus_Dieter> btw: have you tried snips as alexa replacement? How is the recognition rate?
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[0:47] <toastintheshell> Klaus_Dieter: so no google search/android/chrom*/maps/etc?
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[0:49] <toastintheshell> That's where I'd like to get to, definitely gonna be hard to drop youtube though
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[0:58] <Klaus_Dieter> lineageOS, browser is luakit, maps = openstreetmap, search is difficult though that is the one category where google really is great
[0:59] <Klaus_Dieter> toastintheshell: I am complaining to people who want me to send them email on their gmail account...
[1:00] <akk> That would be tough for me, half the people I know only have a gmail address.
[1:01] <akk> And most other free email services have worse problems.
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[1:06] <toastintheshell> I haven't tried snips, is it similar to mycroft?
[1:07] <Klaus_Dieter> it is supposed to be a voice recognition thing / voice assistant - I do not know of mycroft though
[1:07] <Klaus_Dieter> of course neither ar available on debian :(
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[1:08] <toastintheshell> if you want to get rid of the googles in lineage you can try out the librem5
[1:10] <toastintheshell> I figured mycroft would be available for raspbian, it's supposed to be an open source alexa type thing
[1:10] <toastintheshell> been thinking about setting it up for a my asmartment
[1:12] <toastintheshell> Klaus_Dieter: how is luakit as a main browser? I tried it briefly and it was super fast, but seemed buggy
[1:12] <toastintheshell> does it load complex websites reasonably well?
[1:13] <Klaus_Dieter> I love it.
[1:13] <toastintheshell> also I was under the impression that it hasn't been updated since like 2017
[1:13] <Klaus_Dieter> I use it for everything except for video conversations using webrtc
[1:13] <Klaus_Dieter> unfortunately yes it has not been updated for a while.
[1:14] <toastintheshell> I really wish it was, that was the main reason I decided against it, it's super snazzy otherwise, doesn't it have vim keybindings by default too?
[1:14] <Klaus_Dieter> I use a vertical tab list and have a few config changes that cause the neighbouring tabs to load when activating one tab
[1:14] <toastintheshell> a browser after my own heart
[1:14] <Klaus_Dieter> so when cycling through tabs, everything is already there
[1:14] <Klaus_Dieter> yes, vim is default
[1:15] <Klaus_Dieter> when firefox dropped capabilities for vimperator, I made the switch to luakit
[1:16] <toastintheshell> I just wonder how much of a security issue it is to run a perpetually older browser
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[1:17] <Klaus_Dieter> well, I have no idea. otoh - having a well working ad blocker seems to be the most imporatnt security feature in the web these days
[1:17] <Klaus_Dieter> and it has that.
[1:17] <toastintheshell> good way to switch off js?
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[1:22] <Klaus_Dieter> yes
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[1:40] <toastintheshell> Klaus_Dieter: sorry, this thing has a weird power issue that I need to track down, shuts down on me occasionally if I touch it wrong
[1:41] <toastintheshell> but I will definitely look into giving luakit another go, I wonder how hard it is to maintain a browser lol, I don't think I'd be able to dedicate the time
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[1:42] <toastintheshell> I just wish it had someone doing security updates at least
[1:51] <Klaus_Dieter> this is open source.
[1:51] <Klaus_Dieter> you could be the one :)
[1:54] <Klaus_Dieter> I just did a rewrite of snapcast because it didn't work. Now it does.
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[2:09] <toastintheshell> Klaus_Dieter: but I only have so much time, I got my own open source projects to work on :\
[2:10] <toastintheshell> #fossworldproblems
[2:19] <toastintheshell> also I would probably have to learn lua
[2:20] <toastintheshell> which I'm not opposed to but it's more time commitment
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[2:23] <Klaus_Dieter> well, then there is always the option to switch to awesomewm as well. that'll give your two use cases for learning lua
[2:23] <Klaus_Dieter> twice the benefit of a single learning byte
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[2:26] <aZz7eCh> okay does this sound doable? I want to be able to remote access a RPI running a machine of mine many suburbs away. I plan to buy a cheap smartphone, cheap data sim plan, turn on its hotspot and my hope being .. that i can then use a dns service to allow me to ssh to a named address ..
[2:27] <toastintheshell> Klaus_Dieter: I'm pretty set in my ways with i3wm
[2:27] <Klaus_Dieter> yeah. once you get used to a wm there is very little that can make you switch :)
[2:28] <Klaus_Dieter> same here. I have been using the same setup for 10 years now
[2:31] <toastintheshell> aZz7eCh: so you want to ssh into your rpi through the internet, then ssh from the rpi to some other remote machine?
[2:32] <toastintheshell> because the rpi has the dns info for that other remote machine?
[2:32] <aZz7eCh> toastintheshell, nope, i just want to ssh into my remote rpi. the rpi will have a wifi dongle, automatically connected to a mobile phone sitting next to it as a hotspot.
[2:33] <toastintheshell> oh you want to connect the rpi to the internet using the mobile hotspot
[2:33] <aZz7eCh> a wifi dongle ... not a 3g/4g dongle, just a 2.4ghz wifi usb stick, that connects it to the mobile sitting next to it with Hotspot enabled
[2:33] <toastintheshell> and you just want to be able to access it over dns
[2:33] <aZz7eCh> yeah
[2:33] <aZz7eCh> i'm googling but many people pulling hair out as hotspotting doesn't work quite like a router or something
[2:34] <BurtyB> doubt you'd have a real IP on the mobile to connect to
[2:34] <toastintheshell> depends on the mobile network i think, they all have different configurations and restrictions, but it's probably doable yeah, look into noip if it gives you a dynamic ip
[2:35] <aZz7eCh> BurtyB, what should I be looking at, to make my RPIs ssh'able over the internet, where they need 3g/4g to have access? actual 3g usb dongles?
[2:35] <Reedy> Quite a lot of mobile networks definitely like nat
[2:35] <aZz7eCh> toastintheshell, i know how to do the DNS stuff - i alrady use afraid.dns.org
[2:35] <aZz7eCh> already*
[2:36] <toastintheshell> so then it's really a matter of whether you can get a mobile network to do the ssh port forwarding
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[2:36] <toastintheshell> or maybe you can find an open port if not 22
[2:39] <toastintheshell> How much GPU memory should I give an rpi3B+ for optimal internet browsing? basically it's minimal rasbian that runs a browser and nothing else, and I want it to be as optimized as possible for websurfing
[2:39] <BurtyB> or just use a VPN and connect to something you do have control over
[2:41] <toastintheshell> gpu is set to 160MB by default, I would think more would speed up the browser for rendering, but I wonder if taking that memory away from the cpu would slow down page load times, does anyone have any insight on that?
[2:41] <Klaus_Dieter> toastintheshell: depends what you do. I'd start with 64MB and work myself up.
[2:42] <toastintheshell> Klaus_Dieter: so less for the GPU than default?
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[2:43] <toastintheshell> aZz7eCh: BurtyB mentioned a VPN, which most cell networks support, is that an option for you?
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[2:48] <toastintheshell> you can set up your pi as a vpn as well, (pivpn is a ready-made vpn image you could try), although I don't know if a vpn on that side of the network would be as easy to set up as accessing one from the open internet, it's definitely worth looking into
[2:48] <smouldery> okay so, does anyone know if rasbian currently has a kernel that would support the new GPIO access method? (as described here https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/driver-api/gpio/consumer.html#using-gpios)
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[3:18] <toastintheshell> do the colors in the htop memory indicator show gpu/cpu memory, or does it have some other meaning? looks like gpu fills up pretty quick with a browser session if that's the case
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[3:24] <RoyK> toastintheshell: s/^do/due/ ;)
[3:26] <toastintheshell> RoyK: sorry I don't understand what you sed
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[3:26] <RoyK> toastintheshell: I just meant that "do to the colors" should be "due to…"
[3:26] <RoyK> different words
[3:27] <RoyK> same pronunciation
[3:27] <RoyK> somehow
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[3:27] <toastintheshell> no I was asking if the colors indicate memory split between gpu/cpu "do the colors indicate blah"
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[3:28] <RoyK> toastintheshell: I don't know - it was just the language nerd inside me that had a hichup
[3:28] <toastintheshell> but I see where the misunderstanding comes from
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[3:29] <toastintheshell> I'm always trying to parse the real meaning of what someone says on IRC when I suspect english isn't their first language, so I get why you're in that mode
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[3:30] <RoyK> well, English is my second language
[3:31] <RoyK> but I'm a language nerd
[3:32] <toastintheshell> memory sizes in htop are displayed as they are in tools from the GNU Coreutils...blah blah, nothing about color meaning
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[3:32] <toastintheshell> RoyK: what's your first language?
[3:32] <RoyK> norwegian
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[3:53] <swift110> sup
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[3:55] <DrJ> sup
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[4:48] <HickorySmokedBac> Would a raspberrypi be able to do all the things a normal "office computer" would do? Maybe find a way to run a brother printer off it as well ?
[4:49] <HickorySmokedBac> streaming, all that jazz
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[4:50] <larsks> HickorySmokedBac: It can probably do all those things, but somewhat slower. The Pi really isn't a great platform for running a modern graphical desktop environment. It's slow enough to be frustrating.
[4:50] <HickorySmokedBac> larsks: something like LXDE wont help that ?
[4:51] <HickorySmokedBac> larks: We talking Pentium 2 450MHz slow ?
[4:51] <larsks> It helps a little, but then you spin up a browser like firefox or chrome or something and try to interact with modern javascript-heaby websites, and things feel kind of clunky.
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[4:51] <larsks> It will probably work. It just won't be snappy.
[4:52] <HickorySmokedBac> So it's probably not really for what I want to do?
[4:52] <larsks> Probably. I mean, for $35 you could just go ahead and try it out and see what you think.
[4:54] <HickorySmokedBac> larsks: maybe I should just go on and built a little office PC and get it over with then I can put whatever OS on it
[4:54] <HickorySmokedBac> build
[4:54] <larsks> That will probably be a better solution for this particular problem, yes.
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[5:28] <toastintheshell> HickorySmokedBac: I have been experimenting with using raspis only as my daily drivers
[5:28] <toastintheshell> I say that in the plural because one of the things I'm doing is using several of them for different tasks to reduce the problem of resource hog programs like a web browser
[5:29] <HickorySmokedBac> toastintheshell: Perhaps I should just build a small PC
[5:29] <toastintheshell> I'm running i3wm (even more minimal than lxde), on this pi, and I connect from this one over ssh to chromium on a different pi
[5:30] <toastintheshell> and I have had very promising results, although when I don't have access to the other pis, I get along fine with just the one
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[5:31] <toastintheshell> depending on the applications your running a cheap or old recycled PC might be a better solution
[5:32] <toastintheshell> or potentially one of the more powerful sbcs
[5:34] <toastintheshell> I've been looking into the rockpro64: 6core cpu, 4gb ram $80
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[5:37] <toastintheshell> but if I were in your position I'd probably just check out your local thrift stores and craigslist for good deals on old pcs
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[5:39] <toastintheshell> most people just think they're junk after windows 10 grinds to a halt, when you can just throw a modern lightweight linux on there and have a get a pretty decent computing experience out of it
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[5:55] <swift110> lol
[5:55] <swift110> good idea
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[7:04] <Klaus_Dieter> toastintheshell: more gpu memory usually does not speed things up but allows for handling scenarios that could otherwise not be handled.
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[7:05] <Klaus_Dieter> so if you run a higher resolution you will need more memory, if you store textures that is only posible with reasonable memory and so on.
[7:05] <Klaus_Dieter> htop to my knowledge does not show gpu stats.
[7:09] <toastintheshell> Klaus_Dieter: So cpu/gpu speed would be the primary factor in browser performance, memory only becomes an issue when it fills up?
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[7:18] <Klaus_Dieter> the thing is: diferent browsers do different things to render the page and they may or may not rely on hardware support. Reall,y I'd just try it out
[7:19] <Klaus_Dieter> I have a raspi B with kodi and 64MB assigned to gpu.
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[7:19] <Klaus_Dieter> and it does what I hope it to do.
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[7:53] <mythril> does anyone know why wifi might be consistently failing after using a handful of gpio pins for output?
[7:53] <mythril> the UI acts like it is connected but literally everything times out
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[8:02] <mythril> hmm... only seems to do it when I use a specific golang package to set the pins
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[10:15] <amigojapan> Encrypt: why dont you take the suggestioin of the person mentioned yesterday? that would just costs like $15
[10:16] <amigojapan> I was looking at this “Encrypt: friendofafriend | Might check out http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS2 // That's $109 “
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[15:05] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell, hello
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[15:49] <cslcm> Hey, don't suppose anyone might know what is going on here? https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/issues/533
[15:50] <cslcm> not entirely sure how to debug this
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[16:44] <Valinath> Good afternoon folks!
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[16:53] <cslcm> Good Afternoon, Valinath
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[17:23] <g105b> Hi, I'm using GPIO by gordonDrogon to control an LED strip's brightness using `gpio pwm 1 $x` where $x is a value between 0 and 1024. However, when increasing in a loop, there is a noticable increase in brightness between values 1, 2, 3, etc. Is there a way of calibrating it, so there is more resolution of brightness on the darker range?
[17:24] <g105b> For example, the brightness is dim at value 1, but changing it to 2 (the minimum increase) makes a noticable jump up in brightness, meaning it's impossible to slowly fade up in a pleasant way.
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[17:39] <shiftplusone> you just have to take bigger steps as the values increase. Apply a gamma curve
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[17:40] <shiftplusone> Our eyes are more sensitive to changes at low intensities and to different colours so you'd normally scale R,G and B values differently. That's probably taking it a little too far for this though.
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[18:30] <laptop2> hi
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[18:31] <laptop2> what does the activity LED blinking 7 times or so mean?
[18:31] <laptop2> after it starts doing that, VCHIQ is down
[18:35] <shiftplusone> 7 or so?
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[18:36] <shiftplusone> https://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
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[18:39] <laptop2> shiftplusone, sadly those are when boot gets blocked
[18:39] <laptop2> but this happens at runtime
[18:39] <laptop2> and the OS keeps running
[18:40] <laptop2> it's that everything 3D stops being usable afterwards
[18:41] <laptop2> (64-bit specific)
[18:41] <shiftplusone> crashing the firmware somehow?
[18:42] <laptop2> shiftplusone, yeah
[18:42] <laptop2> VCHIQ answers to exactly nothing after that
[18:42] <shiftplusone> Haven't seen that before without trying to do anything fancy. If you can set up a reproducible test case and report it on github, I'm sure somebody will take a look.
[18:43] <laptop2> shiftplusone, 64-bit and non-Linux is fine? it doesn't happen with the same release of the OS as ARM 32-bit too
[18:44] <shiftplusone> oh, sounds like an unsupported use case. You could argue that you shouldn't be able to get it into that state from the ARM side.
[18:45] <shiftplusone> But if you're trying to pass it 64-bit pointers or whatever else it's not expecting to deal with, idk
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[18:45] <laptop2> yeah I think that it's that
[18:45] <laptop2> would just like to know what that blinking pattern means
[18:45] <laptop2> so I know where to look
[18:48] <shiftplusone> a bit hard to grep for. I know where the bootcode flash patterns happen, but no idea where to look this up.
[18:49] <laptop2> also, even in that mode
[18:49] <laptop2> if I lower the voltage, the little lightning symbol still appears
[18:49] <laptop2> and disappears when I make it higher
[18:50] <laptop2> from a quick test, mailbox property still works too
[18:50] <laptop2> but not vchiq
[18:51] <shiftplusone> think I found it. Are there long and short flashes or is it exactly 7 flashes?
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[18:52] <laptop2> shiftplusone, 7 flashes, pause of one second or so, 7 flashes, and it continues on forever
[18:53] <laptop2> all flashes seem to last the same time
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[18:53] <shiftplusone> No, I don't see anything like that
[18:54] <laptop2> shiftplusone, counted them wrong then? can make a video if you want to
[18:54] <laptop2> really odd and didn't see it happen before
[18:55] <shiftplusone> Nuh, I take your word for it. The only case I see same period flashes is in those boot failures, not anywhere else.
[18:56] <shiftplusone> May as well ask on github. Worst case scenario you'll be told you're doing something unsupported and they can't help
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[18:57] <laptop2> shiftplusone, thanks, will triple check all my types and then ask again if I don't see anything
[18:58] <shiftplusone> Is this a bare metal thing you're doing yourself?
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[18:59] <laptop2> shiftplusone, nope
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[20:34] <alexxio> hello, after many days, my raspberrypi stops working correctly in a reproducible manner. i just have to stop using it for some days. the network is configured correctly and if i now restart it, it will work again. the numbers of hours after freezeing is random. i can ping the raspberry, but ssh says connection refused. web apache works, but says 404 not found even if the actual webserver is configured correctly. wireless power i
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[20:35] <shiftplusone> anything connected to gpio? what's the output of vcgencmd get_throttled?
[20:35] <alexxio> i cannot do it now because i left it untouched
[20:36] <alexxio> if i restart it will work again, it is actually an headless server without any special configuration (just apache and some packages related to webserver)
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[20:36] <alexxio> i don't think it is related to gpio just because it runs correctly for many days
[20:37] <alexxio> maybe months
[20:37] <alexxio> maybe weeks
[20:37] <alexxio> but then, it occurs
[20:37] <alexxio> it that normal?
[20:37] <alexxio> *is
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[20:38] <shiftplusone> not at all
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[20:43] <shiftplusone> The reason I mentioned GPIO is that what you're seeing could happen if you're drawing too much current from it and activating the polyfuse, which doesn't recover instantly. It doesn't matter that it runs properly for days, what's interesting is that you have to stop using it for it to work again.
[20:44] <shiftplusone> I'd wait until it happens again, unplug the power and measure the resistance across the polyfuse
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[20:57] <aZz7eCh> so, my pi's control a few machine circuits, and i use .py thon script for the main program loop... i noticed if I leave the python loop in a non-stop loop that the pi runs warm, so I added a sleep for 0.03 on the loop. i think i'm now having an issue where buttons arent triggering from time to time due to this millisecond pause in listening for conditions on gpio inputs ...
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[20:57] <aZz7eCh> i have done the normal thing when looping a script right?
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[21:00] <shiftplusone> normally you'd use interrupts and have your loop only act when it needs to
[21:01] <shiftplusone> a standard reactor or event handling loop would use select() or poll() to wait for something to happen rather than spin
[21:01] <aZz7eCh> oh gawd. i'm litterally looping checking for the state of gpios
[21:02] <aZz7eCh> non stop
[21:02] <aZz7eCh> i'll go google some of your keywords
[21:04] <shiftplusone> what gpio library are you using?
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[21:04] <aZz7eCh> RPi.GPIO?
[21:05] <shiftplusone> https://medium.com/@rxseger/interrupt-driven-i-o-on-raspberry-pi-3-with-leds-and-pushbuttons-rising-falling-edge-detection-36c14e640fef
[21:05] <shiftplusone> https://raspi.tv/2013/how-to-use-interrupts-with-python-on-the-raspberry-pi-and-rpi-gpio-part-3
[21:07] <aZz7eCh> that is ... entirely beyond my scope of understanding an absolutely nothing like the way i've written my code to work ... *sigh. forever a rookie.
[21:08] <shiftplusone> That second link should be easy to follow
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[21:08] <shiftplusone> instead of saying "keep checking the state of the pin" you say "when the state changes, let me know"
[21:09] <aZz7eCh> yep i'm reading it thoroughly thank you for the direction
[21:11] <shiftplusone> The official page is pretty good too https://sourceforge.net/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/Inputs/
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[21:15] <aZz7eCh> okay wow yeah. thanks thats heaps to go on.
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[21:38] <DanielTheFox> hello friendofafriend
[21:39] <aZz7eCh> shiftplusone, so, add_event_detect() at start on the channel and then when the loop gets around to coming back it finds whether or not that detected anything while it was busy doing other things or sleeping for 0.1 second
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