#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-02-27

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[1:16] <_unreal_> any one know of an I2C pc fan controller?
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[1:19] <shauno> not off-hand, but that's probably well into attiny territory
[1:21] <shauno> (I was actually looking at this very recently, but opted for fans with their own temp sensor instead)
[1:22] <toastintheshell> shauno: for budget or engineering reasons?
[1:23] <shauno> a combination of budget and lazy
[1:23] <shauno> if I find an option that ticks both those boxes, it usually wins
[1:25] <toastintheshell> what brand/model did you go with, and roughly how much was it?
[1:26] <shauno> https://www.amazon.de/dp/B002G3DV32/
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[1:27] <shauno> once I realised I could do that for the same price bracket as a branded quiet fan, it seemed a no-brainer
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[1:28] <shauno> (it hasn't arrived yet though, so that's not a recommendation yet. just answering the question literally)
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[1:29] <shauno> I wasn't actually suggesting that as a solution for him though. more that I think an attiny could do it, but I can't prove it because I gave up before I got that far
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[1:37] <toastintheshell> nice, I really need some fans, I've been just rawdogging it and praying because I live dangerously
[1:38] <toastintheshell> but I'd like to start overclocking so that would be plus unsmart
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[1:40] <toastintheshell> there's a new hypriotOS version out, anybody tried it? (or the earlier images for that matter)
[1:41] <toastintheshell> it's for running docker images on rpi
[1:43] <_unreal_> shauno, funny you should mention attiny
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[1:55] <toastintheshell> yeah, I guess that is kinda funny XD
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[1:55] <ali1234> i think the cheapest and easiest way for i2c fan control would just be an i2c pwm controller
[1:55] <ali1234> and a pwm controlled fan of course
[1:57] <ali1234> basically any servo controller should work just as well for a fan, assuming the voltages are right
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[2:01] <toastintheshell> ali1234: yeah that sounds reasonably simple to set up, although then you have to spend a little time calibrating instead of just set-it-and-forget-it
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[2:14] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: why was it funny someone mentioned attiny?
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[2:21] <_unreal_> was taking a shower
[2:21] <_unreal_> because I was talking about using the attiny in #arduino
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[2:35] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: got any cool arduino projects in the works?
[2:35] <_unreal_> just the one for my cnc machine but thats on hold for now
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[2:36] <toastintheshell> apparently your arduinos must be working pretty hard if you need a fan
[2:36] <_unreal_> its an attiny controlling the entire safty system of my cnc machines main controller
[2:36] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: cnc drill milling?
[2:37] <_unreal_> it reads fan speed and if the fan speed is to low it will trigger a safty, if the temp in side the case is to high it triggers a safty. if multi safty switches are not all in ready status it triggers a safty. if the computer is not sending a safty to function it triggers a safty
[2:37] <_unreal_> and other features
[2:37] <_unreal_> milling
[2:37] <_unreal_> will be when I finish building the mahchine
[2:38] <_unreal_> I'm slowly working on all aspects of it
[2:38] <_unreal_> mainly working on the computer shell for now
[2:39] <toastintheshell> cool
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[2:50] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell, hello
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[3:04] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: whatup
[3:04] <DanielTheFox> not really fine, but good enoug, and you
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[3:07] <\\Mr_C\\> anyon e messed with raspberrypi-ua-netinst and the pi0?
[3:07] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone messed with raspberrypi-ua-netinst and the pi0 w?
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[3:13] <toastintheshell> I'm a little sore, had to pack a 26-foot truck tighter than I've ever done before, it drove like a slug afterward
[3:13] <DanielTheFox> D:
[3:13] <_unreal_> toastintheshell, I know that one tust me
[3:14] <_unreal_> when I moved to florida my truck bed was stacked. and my trailer was filled to the top
[3:14] <_unreal_> drove all the way from maine to florida
[3:14] <_unreal_> in 2013
[3:14] <toastintheshell> I'm a mover, so I do it every day, but this one was particularly full, and EVERYTHING was HEAVY
[3:15] <toastintheshell> those huge boxes you get at home depot are for light things like christmas decorations people, not for books!
[3:15] <_unreal_> ouch
[3:16] <_unreal_> ya I work on boats
[3:16] <_unreal_> mainly super yachts luxury boats
[3:16] <toastintheshell> lots of heavy stuff involved there I'm sure
[3:16] <_unreal_> ya be we use fork trucks and A frames etc...
[3:16] <toastintheshell> oh wow that's pretty cool, are you planning to cnc a yacht?
[3:16] <_unreal_> ? ahh no
[3:16] <_unreal_> maybe small parts
[3:16] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: why not fine?
[3:17] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell, do you have idea of why people in my town (and all other towns around) agree to use internet (youtube and facebook mostly) at the same time and clogging it EVERY DAY at THE SAME DAYTIME?
[3:17] <DanielTheFox> latency and packet loss are unbearable
[3:17] <_unreal_> I tell ya what. I'll give anyone who can setup all the software I need one of these RPI fiberglass shell's
[3:18] <_unreal_> rather I'll build one
[3:18] <_unreal_> got to be in the USA though
[3:18] <toastintheshell> yeah, that's probably when everyone gets home from work right? everyone's catching up on their netflix and facebooks and youtubeses
[3:19] <_unreal_> its really internet TV thats killing it
[3:19] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: sounds like a good contest, what do you need?
[3:19] <_unreal_> netflicks etc....
[3:19] <DanielTheFox> well, not netflix (this kind of people would not even pay for inet if they had a way to)
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[3:19] <_unreal_> well I need to have an image setup for the asus tinkerboard and rpi but reallyt eh tinker board
[3:20] <_unreal_> to have a working RT image, with linux cnc using the GPIO pins like they are parallel port pins....
[3:20] <_unreal_> and a few other small software aspects
[3:20] <_unreal_> I can NOT find anything
[3:20] <_unreal_> but my sells are easlly worth $175-200 USD
[3:21] <_unreal_> SHELLLS
[3:21] <_unreal_> reason is because they are hand made
[3:21] <_unreal_> from a mold FOR rpi form factor
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[3:22] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kPtps_VMSsQqWfIx5baqdu2rawGrnZwf https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Rd4__AhurmXlam7M9dkPl3FW6Fd86syu
[3:22] <_unreal_> I'm going to upload a few new photos of the progress
[3:22] <_unreal_> got a lot more hardware and cut outs done
[3:22] <_unreal_> and the SHELL put together looks really nice
[3:23] <_unreal_> the shell can be inverted if needed
[3:23] <_unreal_> to change the display angle a little
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[3:24] <_unreal_> though I would not... and in the correct orientation as pictured the back area is flash and perfectly vertical for mouting I/O ports power etc...
[3:24] <_unreal_> flash=flat
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[3:25] <_unreal_> the 2 halfs mount/screw together
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[3:30] <_unreal_> hello?
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[3:36] <toastintheshell> hey _unreal_ still here, was away
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[3:39] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell, what about the box?
[3:41] <toastintheshell> package?
[3:41] <DanielTheFox> yes
[3:42] <toastintheshell> need to get to microcenter
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[3:42] <DanielTheFox> :3
[3:42] <toastintheshell> and then fedex
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[3:56] <_unreal_> so as I was saying if anyone can produce the files I need I'll build them one of these shells
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[4:02] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: I wish I knew something about gpio stuff or had time to learn :/
[4:02] <_unreal_> its likely just python scripting I just dont know it
[4:04] <toastintheshell> s/time/energy after picking stuff up and putting stuff down for a living
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[4:04] <toastintheshell> /
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[4:44] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: I'm fairly handy with python
[4:46] <toastintheshell> I'll look into it, would definitely be cool to get one of those terminals
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[4:49] <toastintheshell> anybody know anything about pup/p3?
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[4:51] <toastintheshell> "organic computing"
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[4:54] <toastintheshell> organic as in -> based on a logical architecture inspired by organisms, not as in organisms being used as a computer, or any sort of feng shui kind of deal
[4:56] <toastintheshell> apparently pup/p3 was implemented originally on the bbc micro, and it can now run linux, and there's a raspbian port
[4:56] <toastintheshell> which is cool because the 'cells' in the organism analogy refer to individual nodes in a cluster
[4:57] <toastintheshell> so I have a new thing
[4:58] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: you need parallel io functionality out of the gpiopins
[4:58] <toastintheshell> ?
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[5:00] <toastintheshell> as in a parallel printer db-style port, the one that looks like a wider version of a vga port?
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[5:03] <toastintheshell> https://wwww.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7221
[5:04] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: have you seen this thread?
[5:04] <amigojapan> I should install raspbian on a PC
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[5:07] <toastintheshell> amigojapan: virtually? or as an actual os?
[5:07] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: as actual OS
[5:07] <amigojapan> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pixel-pc-mac/
[5:07] <toastintheshell> yes, please do
[5:08] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: I have been using lubuntu, but the GUI in pixel is more appealing ot me than LXDE
[5:10] <toastintheshell> on x86 huh?
[5:12] <amigojapan> yes toastintheshell
[5:15] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: I imagine it will be a light desktop for an x86, which is hte same reason I used lubuntu
[5:15] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: I use many low powered PCs
[5:20] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: unfortunately it does not seem people have been working on this project since 2016
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[5:27] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: I dont feel I will get much support if I run this :(
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[5:30] <Syllin> hey all. i'm interested in getting video screenshots via an HDMI output _in_ to my raspi. any better resource than the HDMI to CSI dongle people use for streaming? (https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/tinkernut-twitch-streaming/)
[5:30] <Syllin> i dont need video, just screenshots. i guess worst case i could take short videos and post process them
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[5:38] <toastintheshell> amigojapan: sorry, verizon is garbage
[5:39] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: should I repost the posts I sent?
[5:40] <toastintheshell> I'm sure the raspbian aspects of an x86 raspbian will be pretty well-supported for the most part based on raspberry pi's arm raspbian
[5:40] <toastintheshell> last thing you said was you don't feel you will get much support right?
[5:41] <amigojapan> right
[5:41] <toastintheshell> but the closer you get to the metal the more you'll have to rely on debian support
[5:41] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: the ISO is till labeled 2016, and the comments are closed
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[5:42] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: yeah, so it is basically PIXEL on debian I see
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[5:42] <amigojapan> maybe if there were a large used base
[5:42] <toastintheshell> also, as far as I know raspbian isn't all that modified from debian, it's basically just arm debian with some specific packages included
[5:42] <amigojapan> ah
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[5:43] <toastintheshell> you should try it out live first, does it have a live usb image?
[5:43] <amigojapan> yes it does
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[5:43] <amigojapan> it seems it is designed to work as USB+percistancy
[5:43] <amigojapan> so there is only a live USB
[5:44] <toastintheshell> why do you want rasbian x86? is it for the lulz or for practical reasons?
[5:45] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: it has a more modern look than LXDE on lubuntu, while still probably being light
[5:46] <toastintheshell> well there's gotta be 50 debian based distros that have an lxde version (including debian itself), but lxde is highly customizable, and as far as I know is also easily themeable
[5:48] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: I am sayign I preffer Pixel to LXDE
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[5:49] <toastintheshell> so unless you want raspbian because of raspbian in-and-of itself for the fun or love of raspbian, I'd suggest you spend some time looking up some reviews on youtube or trying out different ISOs
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[5:52] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: yeah, i am aware it would not be raspbian, but debian+PIXEL
[5:53] <toastintheshell> amigojapan: have you tried debian lxde?
[5:54] <toastintheshell> I typically start with debian on a fresh system, although I have a sort of love-hate relationship with it
[5:55] <toastintheshell> packages are always out of date compared to other distros, although it's pretty close to the same on ubuntu I think
[5:56] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: no, I have not, I have tried lubuntu, and debian seperately, I am aware thatd ebian alwasy has packages that are nto up to date
[5:56] <amigojapan> debian is a conservative distro
[5:56] <toastintheshell> amigojapan: so did they create raspbian x86 repos, or would it just be all the same debian repos when you use apt?
[5:57] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: I think debian repos
[5:57] <toastintheshell> if that's the case I doubt you'll have much trouble with support at all
[5:57] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: it would be good if they ported PIXEL to ubuntu
[5:58] <toastintheshell> just search for debian-specific questions instead of raspbian
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[5:58] <amigojapan> right
[5:58] <toastintheshell> pixbuntu
[5:58] <toastintheshell> you could do it if you wanted it bad enough
[5:59] <amigojapan> yup
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[6:01] <toastintheshell> I once saw richard stallman give a talk on free software at my college
[6:01] <amigojapan> his talks seem to be repetitive recently, saying the same thing over and over
[6:01] <toastintheshell> I went to film school, planning to get into video production
[6:02] <amigojapan> ah
[6:02] <toastintheshell> he would not have surprised you
[6:02] <toastintheshell> he's been saying literally the same things for maybe 40 years?
[6:02] <toastintheshell> lol
[6:03] <amigojapan> yup :)
[6:03] <amigojapan> he needs a new shtick
[6:03] <toastintheshell> I've always pretty much agreed with most of it, but then he has some points that just seem to take things to absurd absolutism
[6:04] <amigojapan> right
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[6:05] <amigojapan> I remember I recently read this article https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/02/16/012249/free-software-foundation-dating-is-a-free-software-issue
[6:06] <toastintheshell> so everyone seemed bored and uninterested, I was starstruck and fascinated - dispite my small gripes with him I've always really respected the logical consistency and dedication he has to his position
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[6:06] <mrec> did anyone test SPI with the raspberry pi and can confirm that the max workable spi speed (with a 250mhz core clock) is only around 32mhz?
[6:07] <toastintheshell> at the end of the talk, as everyone else promptly left because their extra credit for class had been fulfilled, he asked if anyone could drive him home
[6:08] <amigojapan> you drove stallman home?
[6:08] <toastintheshell> so I offered, and drove him home, it was pretty surreal
[6:08] <amigojapan> neat
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[6:09] <toastintheshell> since at the time the video editing and graphics software wasn't nearly as close to usable as it is now, I asked him how he thought I might deal with such a situation
[6:09] <amigojapan> what did he say?
[6:10] <toastintheshell> considering no production houses used free software, and even if I went freelance I'd be stuck with a lot of buggy software missing most of the more advanced features a video professional needs
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[6:13] <toastintheshell> he basically responded - in his own highly intelligent and well-thought-out way that I'm sure you're familiar with hearing - that I owed it to myself to refuse to use any non-free software, and that I should demand from any employer that I be allowed to use my (at the time really non-existent) free alternatives, or that I need to write my own alternative
[6:13] <toastintheshell> or not work in that industry
[6:14] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: ah yes, that sounds like what he would say
[6:14] <toastintheshell> he definitely got kind of mad when I (doing my best to be respectful and not sound combative) gave some pushback, for instance asking if it's really more important to preserve software freedom when that restricts my freedom in life to do the things that I want to do
[6:14] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: see you could have waited a while till people made the software, so will I wait for someone to port PIXEL to ubuntu :)
[6:15] <toastintheshell> I'm sure my paraphrasing leaves out a lot of deep thinking and I lack the intelligence to reproduce it, but that was my general impression of his position
[6:16] <toastintheshell> lol, yeah which brings me to that point
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[6:17] <toastintheshell> unfortunately we don't all have the hundreds of thousands of spare man-hours necessary to write some of these open source projects we want (like final cut or premiere)
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[6:18] <amigojapan> Right.
[6:18] <amigojapan> Not is anyone talented enough to do it
[6:18] <amigojapan> Nor
[6:19] <toastintheshell> the good news for you, though, is that pixel is basically just an lxde theme on debian, so if you wanted to run it as your daily driver, I think you'd have very few if any more issues than you would running lubuntu or debian lxde
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[6:20] <mrec> You should have let Stallman walk home, your car is porbably using closed source software I wonder how he dares to get into something like that.
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[6:22] <amigojapan> mrec does Stallman use atms or airplanes. I think he has not thought it though
[6:23] <mrec> he looks like a sporty swimmer no?
[6:23] <mrec> ;-)
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[6:25] <mrec> someone uses proprietary video editing software because they do the job; praising water drinking wine that's what that guy does.
[6:25] <toastintheshell> mrec: see that's one of the things that I don't get about his ideology: he believes it's not ok for one to allow oneself to use proprietary software, but then that it's ok to use an ATM or other device that you don't own that from your perspective is a 'black-box' when it comes to what kind of software is running (as far as I can recall)
[6:26] <toastintheshell> or to allow your friends to drive you around in their own cars running propreitary software
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[6:28] <mrec> if you build cars would you sell airplanes?
[6:28] <mrec> (which you obviously don't have)
[6:28] <mrec> he does what he can do that's all.
[6:29] <mrec> aside of that he eats and shit like everyone else, just a human among all other ones
[6:29] <toastintheshell> amigojapan: I think it's unlikely there's any aspect of software freedom stallman hasn't thought through, he has an extremely thorough internally consistent system of ethics, and it seems that's all he ever thinks or talks about
[6:29] <mrec> no god (as some people might see)
[6:29] <_unreal_> toastintheshell, as I said I have an ASUS tinker board
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[6:30] <_unreal_> I have a pi as well but the CPU/MEM out preform the pi by a lot
[6:31] <_unreal_> toastintheshell, I have to use linuxcnc because the tinkerboard is arm so i cant use mach3. I need to get the whb04b-6 working with the system as well
[6:31] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: right, but the parallel interface on the cnc is the same pin orientation as the old printers, or is it something else?
[6:31] <_unreal_> That link is not working
[6:31] <_unreal_> I mean function LIKE the parallel
[6:31] <_unreal_> dont hav e to emulate the parallel
[6:32] <toastintheshell> dang, I transcribed the link incorrectly, lol
[6:32] <_unreal_> linuxcnc needs to just use the GPIO pins to output the stepper motor driving pins for step/dir
[6:32] <_unreal_> and any and all other pins are just high/low stat
[6:32] <toastintheshell> I think it was one of the first results for something like "using raspberry pi gpio as parallel interface"
[6:33] <amigojapan> toastintheshell: fortunately nto everyone in the open souce comunity is as strick as he claims to be
[6:33] <amigojapan> err free software comunity*
[6:33] <toastintheshell> forum question asking about a cnc machine with a parallel port, and interfacing using gpio as the controller
[6:33] <_unreal_> I've seeen a few examples but they all work like self contained scrips running the GPIO's
[6:34] <_unreal_> I need linuxcnc to read the GPIO's as usable I/O's
[6:34] <_unreal_> I dont know exactly how to set it up
[6:34] <_unreal_> and no one has made any SD images to just dump boot and use
[6:34] <toastintheshell> that's a software package, or is that a distro?
[6:34] <_unreal_> amazingly
[6:35] <_unreal_> dont know
[6:35] <toastintheshell> yeah that seems pretty surprising
[6:36] <_unreal_> it would be so easy if linuxcnc supported GRBL motor control like 3d printers do. but there is a "war" going on and it has nothing to do with what a printer port and serial port can handle... it has to do with $
[6:36] <_unreal_> linuxcnc puses MESA driver boards
[6:37] <_unreal_> but linuxcnc will not support GPRL which is sending motor controls via serial... OH BUT WAIT mesa boards are network ethernet connections 'THATS SERIAL"
[6:38] <toastintheshell> I kind of like Eric Raymond's take on what he prefers to call Open Source software, more libre in the sense that you are allowed to do what you want, rather than in the sense that you have a moral imperative to do only things that qualify as Freedom Respectingn (tm)
[6:38] <_unreal_> I could set it up in a heart beat if I wanted to spend money to buy one of those stupid control boards and they are all linux supported.
[6:39] <_unreal_> So ya as I said if you think you can build the SD image and get the software working I'll gladly make send ya one of these she'lls
[6:39] <_unreal_> shells
[6:40] <toastintheshell> hm, so you need some kind of virtual io maybe
[6:40] <_unreal_> I'm going to take a new photo real quick show some of the updates
[6:40] <_unreal_> dont know
[6:40] <_unreal_> I just need linuxcnc to see the GPIO's just like it sees the parallel port io pins
[6:41] <_unreal_> then its just defining what pin does one... XYZ"A"+ axis step/dir end stop limits etc..
[6:41] <_unreal_> motor enable. ESTOP
[6:41] <_unreal_> spindle motor enable
[6:41] <_unreal_> most of the pins are just high/low states
[6:42] <_unreal_> and only the motor control one's have the critical timing bla bla bla I dont know what you know about cnc machines
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[6:46] <_unreal_> btw I type really fast
[6:46] <_unreal_> hello?
[6:46] <Snert> I read really slow.
[6:47] <_unreal_> ouch.. andI was only typing with 2 fingers
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[6:48] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k7sAI4xB9p0f6mfdPIE6ce43ON0Eaqbw/view?usp=sharing
[6:48] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HWeDVibeGsHmnQ9Xb-OLN7xT8nqdX2IM/view?usp=sharing
[6:48] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cc_704pe6FKdXJntmQR5q8Foxl_S47XE/view?usp=sharing
[6:48] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8AzYIelYXP093KozrFK0a6t38QBQ_a4/view?usp=sharing
[6:48] <_unreal_> those are some new photos
[6:48] <_unreal_> I only have one screw in it holding it to gether
[6:49] <_unreal_> ?
[6:49] <Snert> like the fiberglass case.
[6:49] <_unreal_> Snert, I made molds I can make as many of them as I want
[6:49] <_unreal_> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QkWgHpnCRs6qtWHWWXF8qHhw2aM0cW4l
[6:50] <_unreal_> color everything
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[6:50] <_unreal_> Snert, ya it can be designed any way anyone wants
[6:51] <Snert> what does the pi do?
[6:51] <Snert> what does the pi do?
[6:51] <_unreal_> ?
[6:51] <Snert> it seems to need a really skookum case.
[6:51] <Snert> so maybe it sits outside controlling sprinklers.
[6:52] <_unreal_> Snert, I'm building a cnc machine controller
[6:53] <Snert> a worthy cause I see :)
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[6:55] <_unreal_> So one last run then being 1am and I have to be up at 6 :p here it goes
[6:55] <_unreal_> I need the software side of this project setup. there are no examples that I can find on line and its pissing me off.
[6:56] <_unreal_> I have an Asus tinkerboard, I need an RT distro realtime... setup with linuxcnc. I need the 3D/GL working. and I need linuxcnc to see the GPIO's like it see's the parallel port I/O pins nativly...
[6:57] <_unreal_> I dont know how to do it exactlly...
[6:57] <_unreal_> if anyone can get a working image setup and they live in the US... I'll build and mail them one of these fiberglass shell's there choice of shell color with in reason.
[6:58] <Snert> google seems to turn up much - you've already see that I suppose and uninterested?
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[7:00] <toastintheshell> hey sorry, had to do stuffnthings, so...
[7:02] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: is the protocol spec available anywhere?
[7:02] <toastintheshell> or do you plan on reverse engineering it?
[7:02] <_unreal_> I plan on burn to SD card and thumbs up
[7:02] <_unreal_> I'm a hardware person not a software person...
[7:03] <_unreal_> I've written some arduino code here and there. but it took a lot of research
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[7:04] <_unreal_> toastintheshell, I have the first version of tinkerboard
[7:04] <Snert> then guess you're limited to what can be found fully written and ready2go
[7:04] <_unreal_> there is tinker board and tinker board S I do not have the S
[7:04] <_unreal_> no major difference but just saying
[7:04] <_unreal_> https://www.asus.com/us/Single-Board-Computer/Tinker-Board/
[7:05] <toastintheshell> it better be an open protocol specification or stallman will be mad at you
[7:05] <_unreal_> this forum has a lot of info. this is just a radom link to the forum https://tinkerboarding.co.uk/forum/thread-69.html
[7:05] <toastintheshell> and you'll have a lot more work ahead of you or whoever is helping you
[7:05] <_unreal_> I have no idea
[7:06] <_unreal_> I assume its 99% the same as pi
[7:06] <_unreal_> infact the lastest builds are supposed to have GPIO support native build
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[7:06] <_unreal_> maybe I'm making a big fuss about nothing...
[7:07] <toastintheshell> but you'd need to know the specific signals that need to be sent and received in order to control it
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[7:08] <toastintheshell> so if it's an open spec it's a matter of translation into python or something along those lines
[7:08] <_unreal_> I believe all the details are on the asus link
[7:08] <_unreal_> including scheamtics etc...
[7:11] <_unreal_> https://tinkerboarding.co.uk/wiki/index.php/GPIO
[7:12] <_unreal_> that last link should help a lot
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[7:15] <_unreal_> I would go with GPRL in a heart beat but I have one simple problem...... NON OF THE DAMN programs like univesal gcode sender. BCNC and every other GPRL software supports an MPG manual pulse generator also called a pendent. http://www.centroidcnc.com/centroid_diy/wireless_mpg_control_pendant.html
[7:15] <_unreal_> a pendent allows you to control the CNC machine with a hand held device. makes it very easy
[7:17] <_unreal_> ok going to bed
[7:17] <toastintheshell> see now that's all way above my cnc knowledge, but it looks like linuxcnc uses the hal driver for parallel?
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[7:19] <toastintheshell> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/parallel-port.html
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[7:27] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: looks like you have the pinout table for parallel on that link, and I'm guessing you can interface using addf parport.0.[read|write] base-thread
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[14:14] <Vindicar> Is there some kind of catalogue for raspberry pi related hardware? One with search by capabilities.
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[14:21] <Vindicar> I'm specifically looking for a display with miniHDMI port - something that can be installed on top of RPi 3 Zero W and hooked to it's display port instead of GPIO.
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[14:31] <H__> does not exist afaik. just 'google' ?
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[14:36] <leftyfb> Vindicar: adafruit.com, sparkfun.com, pisupply.com, thepihut.com, pimoroni.com, modmypi.com, amazon.com, ebay.com, google.com
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[14:38] <Vindicar> leftyfb: thanks for sarcasm, but you missed the "capability search" part.
[14:38] <Vindicar> I visited about half of the above, and they gleefully ignore the "mini" part, search for normal HDMI isntead.
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[14:40] <leftyfb> Vindicar: why do you need this unicorn hardware?
[14:41] <Vindicar> Well, for starters, I wanted to know if it exists.
[14:41] <leftyfb> doubtful as there's no much point
[14:41] <leftyfb> no/not
[14:41] <Vindicar> Perhaps. I hoped to use GPIO for other things, but most screenhats seem to use it.
[14:42] <Vindicar> I guess I could find a flexible enough adapter cable and search for a regular HDMI display
[14:43] <ShorTie> does it have to be hdmi ??
[14:43] <ShorTie> or can composite work ??
[14:44] <Vindicar> Hmmm. Are there displays that use it instead?
[14:45] <r3> I've seen a little "box" that used this: [ https://www.sparkfun.com/products/15149 ] and a Pi under it
[14:45] <leftyfb> Vindicar: the official 7" touchscreen uses the DSI port on the pi
[14:46] <cslcm> Vindicar: out of curiosity did you try a boolean search, or "in quotes"?
[14:46] <ShorTie> there are little lcd's that can be hooked up to the pi with 3 wires
[14:46] <ShorTie> i use a aleron extension cord for the cable
[14:46] <Vindicar> quoting usually gives me 0 results, though I might be singularly bad at phrasing my search terms =)
[14:47] <Vindicar> I will look into DSI interface, though, thanks for the hint.
[14:47] <r3> sparkfun has many mini displays... "installed on top of a pi" usually means a "sheild" or a "hat" - the one I saw used a small flat box as a frame for that display which had a Pi mounted under it.
[14:48] <Vindicar> r3: well, that's anotehr reason for me to come here. I saw the term "hat" but wasn't sure it meant what I thought it meant... thanks.
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[14:48] <r3> here's a bunch of displays: https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/147 ... they also have paperwhite ones if you just want greyscale
[14:49] <ShorTie> sumfin like those
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[14:50] <ShorTie> you just by-pass the 12v-5v built in regulator
[14:50] <Vindicar> thanks for the leads, everyone. Gonna take time to sift through those, but now I have a better idea of what to look for.
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[16:27] <Plasmoduck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_UZsJUbwQ
[16:28] <lopta> I would watch that if YouTube weren't blocked at the office.
[16:29] <DanielTheFox> I like it
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[16:29] <DanielTheFox> office blocking IP addresses and DNS servers
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[16:59] <shiftplusone> aha... just discovered the 'setarch' command, which solves my woes when building things with an aarch64 kernel =)
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[17:15] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. Is there a way I can set up rpi to expand the filesystem on next boot? I need to shrink my filesystem before copying it and imaging like 30 sd cards
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[17:18] <shiftplusone> DrunkenDwarf, the same way the official images do it
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[17:19] <DrunkenDwarf> shiftplusone, I dont know how they trigger that without going through the raspi-config interface
[17:20] <shiftplusone> I don't remember everything off the top of my head, but the very first time you boot, there's a fake init script which adjusts the partition table sizes and enables a service which resizes the filesystem itself on next boot. It removes itsels as init and reboots into the actual system
[17:21] <shiftplusone> I believe the partition resize script deletes itself, so you probably won't find it on a running pi
[17:22] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/RPi-Distro/pi-gen/blob/master/stage2/01-sys-tweaks/files/resize2fs_once
[17:22] <shiftplusone> and init_resize.sh is shipped with... I don't remember which package
[17:22] <shiftplusone> raspi-config: /usr/lib/raspi-config/init_resize.sh
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[17:24] <DrunkenDwarf> shiftplusone, thank you:) exactly what I'm looking for
[17:25] <shiftplusone> np
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[18:10] <phinxy_> I see a person using 7 ESP8266's to be able to have 7 access points. Am I wrong in telling him a raspberrypi could broadcast multiple AP's?
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[18:24] <Avnerus> Hello! I've been struggling for a couple of days with an issue related to runtime linkage of the raspberry userland libraries in buildroot + gstreamer1 rpicamsrc. I think at this point I have a pretty good description of the problem, but I can't find the proper solution. Has anyone here been dealing with such issues? I'm Happy to explain more. Thank you!
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[18:31] <shiftplusone> Avnerus, I don't think that's much for anyone to go on, so more info would probably help.
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[18:36] <Avnerus> shiftplusone, yes sorry I just didn't want flood right way with all the information. Basically I am compiling gst1-rpicamsrc for buildroot, but on runtime it fails to load because of unresolved symbols. After examining the situation I understand that the unresolved symbols are function that belong to libmmal_util, and are used by libmmal_core. But I don't understand why they are not resolved because at least ldd shows that the
[18:36] <Avnerus> gstreamer library has "NEEDED" for libmmal_util. I was also able to fix the issue by running gstreamer with LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libmmal_util.so
[18:38] <shiftplusone> have you run ldconfig?
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[18:38] <Avnerus> I haven't though I don't think I should do that in buildroot? (this is an image created that I dump to the sdcard).
[18:39] <Avnerus> I tried now to run ldconfig on the pi but didn't seem to resolve the issue
[18:39] <Avnerus> also all of the libraries are loaded correctly except mmal_util
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[18:42] <shiftplusone> Yeah, just making sure it's not anything obvious
[18:42] <Avnerus> I did notice that mmal_core doesn't link with NEEDED for mmal_util, but I guess that shouldn't be an issue if the are linked together by the parent library?
[18:42] <shiftplusone> tried LD_DEBUG=all
[18:43] <Avnerus> I haven't, let me try
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[18:43] <shiftplusone> If there's nothing informative there, I'm out of ideas.
[18:43] <Avnerus> doesn't show anything..
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[18:44] <Avnerus> OK, I was thinking it may be related to linkage order?
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[18:45] <raspberrycrumble> Hopefully someone can shed some light on this. I have two RaspberryPi Zeros in USB Gadget mode. I have them connected to a Debian 9 box but can only SSH into one of them (both are displayed in lsusb). Is there a limitation in Debian causing this? When I connect the Pi Zeros to my Mac running Mojave I can SSH into both of them over USB completely fine.
[18:45] <Avnerus> ok thanks anyway!
[18:49] <BurtyB> raspberrycrumble, probably not a limit in debian but maybe a hardware limitation
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[18:50] <tristero> raspberrycrumble: your Debian box might only have one IP address configured for usb (look in /etc/network/interfaces for usb0 ?) Or if you're running network-manager, see what it thinks are the available connections
[18:50] <tristero> (not likely a hardware issue if both are seen on USB)
[18:51] <raspberrycrumble> I've assigned static IP addresses to the Pi Zeros and on the devices in ifconfig
[18:51] <raspberrycrumble> The Debian 9 box is an Intel Z83 with an Atom CPU
[18:51] <tristero> on the Pi side, Debian box side, or both?
[18:51] <BurtyB> tristero, you possibly haven't tried plugging too many usb things into a pi :)
[18:51] <raspberrycrumble> it's basically one of those Linux media box things
[18:51] <raspberrycrumble> so the Debian box is not a pi
[18:51] <tristero> BurtyB: it's the other way around -- OP is plugging 2 Pis into one PC
[18:52] <BurtyB> tristero, I'm aware of that now but wasn't at the time
[18:53] <tristero> raspberrycrumble: and is it using ifupdown or network-manager or something else for network config?
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[18:53] <raspberrycrumble> So the consensus so far is that there's probably hardware limitations on the Z83 machine preventing two Pis communicating to it via SSH over USB?
[18:53] <tristero> no, not at all
[18:53] <tristero> almost certainly a network configuration issue IMO
[18:54] <raspberrycrumble> Ah. So the Mac is probably automating all this so it works fine
[18:54] <raspberrycrumble> I did wonder if for some reason Debian sees both the Pi Zeros as a single device when it comes to ethernet over USB
[18:55] <tristero> if you do "ifconfig -a" do you see more than one USB network interface, or just one?
[18:56] <raspberrycrumble> https://pastebin.com/rGacaeZP
[18:56] <raspberrycrumble> That's my ifconfig -a output
[18:57] <raspberrycrumble> you can see I manually assigned an IP address to each USB connection
[18:57] <raspberrycrumble> and similarly I have assigned a static IP address to each pi
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[18:57] <raspberrycrumble> On the Mac, however, I didn't need to assign an IP address to the USB connection
[18:57] <raspberrycrumble> it just did it all automatically
[18:58] <raspberrycrumble> I just used ssh pi@raspberrypi.local
[18:58] <raspberrycrumble> but that didn't work from Debian
[18:58] <raspberrycrumble> https://pastebin.com/AaYWLxsU
[18:59] <raspberrycrumble> that's the lsusb output
[18:59] <tristero> did you try "ssh pi@192.168.137.NNN" for the Pi IP addresses? can't expect both Pi's to get the same name
[18:59] <raspberrycrumble> yeah
[18:59] <raspberrycrumble> tried that and can only connect to one of them that way
[18:59] <raspberrycrumble> I also tried running nmap and it only finds one pi
[18:59] <tristero> what about just pinging them?
[18:59] <raspberrycrumble> if I disconnect either pi I can connect to them on their own
[18:59] <raspberrycrumble> but as soon as both are connected only one of the two can be connected to
[19:00] <tristero> and botth those Pis have (different) IP addresses on that 192.168.137.0 network?
[19:00] <raspberrycrumble> yeah
[19:00] <tristero> can you paste the ifconfig output from one of the Pis?
[19:00] <raspberrycrumble> 192.168.137.2 and 192.168.137.3 respectively
[19:01] <tristero> and you can or can't ping both of them?
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[19:02] <raspberrycrumble> can't connect to either now. Hang on I'll disconnect one
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[19:05] <raspberrycrumble> ah hang on need to clear known hosts
[19:05] <MOUD> Hey all.
[19:06] <MOUD> I got a raspberry pi 3 b+, what is the lightest linux distro with full support for that arm chipset? (and drivers for all the hardware if possible)
[19:07] <raspberrycrumble> MOUD headless?
[19:07] <MOUD> raspberrycrumble, I'm not sure. Maybe a light interface is fine.
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[19:08] <lopta> Doesn't Raspbian have a "Light" option?
[19:09] <raspberrycrumble> I used the lite version of Raspbian all the time for headless stuff
[19:09] <raspberrycrumble> you could use that and then stick an interface on
[19:09] <raspberrycrumble> tristero: still working on it
[19:09] <shiftplusone> The liftest linux distro? the kernel and busybox.
[19:10] <shiftplusone> *lightest
[19:10] <MOUD> lopta, raspberrycrumble, I forgot about the light version. Good idea.
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[19:11] <MOUD> lopta, raspberrycrumble, I forgot about the light version. Good idea.
[19:12] <MOUD> sorry.
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[19:12] <raspberrycrumble> @tristero https://pastebin.com/gWAqTytM
[19:13] <raspberrycrumble> how do I highlight a user on here in a message?
[19:14] <MOUD> Is Gnome 3 too heavy for it (I think it's the default GUI for Kali)? I also might try a Windows 7/10 like interface. Any suggestions?
[19:14] <raspberrycrumble> tristero sorry it took a while https://pastebin.com/gWAqTytM
[19:14] <stiv> just use their nick raspberrycrumble
[19:14] <tristero> that shows the PI has the *same* IP address as you assigned on the Debian box side to one of the USB interfaces
[19:14] <shiftplusone> There's no highlighting. Just pentioning their nick is enough. It depends on how their IRC client is configured.
[19:14] <tristero> .32, not .3
[19:15] <raspberrycrumble> yeah I changed it on the box
[19:15] <raspberrycrumble> I made that mistak ebefore
[19:15] <raspberrycrumble> so the box is .2 and the pi is .32
[19:15] <raspberrycrumble> in the original config I sent I had it wrong
[19:15] <raspberrycrumble> I got confused but the problem still stands for multiple pis
[19:15] <shiftplusone> MOUD, xfce or lxde are usually used. If you're using Raspbian, the official desktop is based on LXDE and is about as light as it gets without stripping away important features.
[19:16] <tristero> and with both of them plugged in, what happens when you ping each of their IP addresses from the box?
[19:16] <MOUD> shiftplusone, I see. Thanks for the info.
[19:17] <raspberrycrumble> tristero so this is the current ifconfig https://pastebin.com/E7BxYZTB
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[19:18] <raspberrycrumble> tristero when I ping .32 I get destination host unreachable
[19:18] <raspberrycrumble> tristero when I ping .33 I get ping back
[19:19] <raspberrycrumble> so it's like the last added device trumps the first
[19:19] <tristero> what's the output of "route -n" on the Debian box?
[19:19] <raspberrycrumble> and prevents connection
[19:19] <raspberrycrumble> tristero https://pastebin.com/jUecAnJr
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[19:20] <tristero> ah, that's the problem. you need point-to-point routes to each USB host. I don't use USB networking much, so I don't know what automates that. But try deleting those two routes and adding point to point ones
[19:21] <tristero> right now it thinks it can use one of the USB interfaces to reach all hosts on that network.
[19:21] <raspberrycrumble> tristero how would I go about doing that?
[19:21] <raspberrycrumble> ahh
[19:21] <tristero> another workaround, if you don't want to mess with routes, is to use a different subnet for the second Pi (and corresponding usb interface on the box)
[19:21] <raspberrycrumble> ahhh I didn't think of that
[19:21] <raspberrycrumble> I'll try changing subnet for one pi
[19:22] <raspberrycrumble> 255.255.254.0?
[19:22] <tristero> give them addresses like 192.168.138.{3,33}, no need to change mask
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[19:23] <tristero> i.e. 138 vs 137
[19:23] <raspberrycrumble> ah ok
[19:24] <raspberrycrumble> tristero if this works I'm going to kiss you
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[19:34] <raspberrycrumble> tristero...
[19:34] <raspberrycrumble> IT WORKED
[19:34] <raspberrycrumble> MWAH!
[19:34] <raspberrycrumble> Amazing. I can stop smashing my face off the wall now :-D
[19:34] <raspberrycrumble> tristero I did a sprinted lap of our office in your honour!
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[19:36] <tristero> yay, happy to help
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[19:36] <raspberrycrumble> tristero Just to give you an insight as to how this has helped me. I have two Pi Zeros taking photos and sending them back to the host Debian box to be processed on AWS, so this was an integral part of the project
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[19:38] <raspberrycrumble> tristero just tested it using my remote command and it fired up the SSH connections and shell scripts simultaneously. Very happy here man! Anyway time for dinner! Thanks again!
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[20:34] <therion23> does anything like Lirc exist which can handle bluetooth game controllers and let you run user defined scripts based on the buttons pressed?
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[20:41] <friendofafriend> therion23: In X?
[20:41] <therion23> friendofafriend: no, shell, i want to control a headless jukebox
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[20:43] <friendofafriend> therion23: Are you getting keycodes from the bluetooth device?
[20:44] <therion23> friendofafriend: not out of the box, otherwise it would be simple enough
[20:44] <therion23> i suppose it takes a bit of udev messing-around and then read some event thingie in /dev, but i cannot find any good articles about that
[20:45] <therion23> and if it has been done before, it would be silly to reinvent the sliced bread
[20:46] <friendofafriend> If you're talking about getting a player to use a game joystick, that's pretty common.
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[20:46] <friendofafriend> mplayer certainly will, I think VLC does also.
[20:46] <therion23> it's not a "player" as such, it's mpd
[20:47] <therion23> so i want right and left to execute "mpc next" and "mpc prev" and so forth
[20:47] <friendofafriend> Have you taken a look at this? https://github.com/eprst/pimpd
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[20:49] <therion23> it is definitely what i need, except it reads buttons through GPIO from a phat
[20:51] <friendofafriend> Then maybe something like this would be more helpful. https://github.com/workinghard/jslisten
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[20:52] <therion23> oh man, that looks terribly tasty
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[20:56] <therion23> thanks mate, this is gonna be a long night :) good find, much appreciated!
[20:56] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome, therion23. If all else fails, you can script around jstest.
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[20:58] <friendofafriend> therion23: I've used jstest piped into this script with some success. https://paste.debian.net/1070488/
[20:59] <therion23> hahaha love the Konami code
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[21:17] <therion23> friendofafriend: both methods work - thanks once again, off to do some coding!
[21:18] <friendofafriend> Very welcome! Best of luck, therion23.
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[22:49] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend: hello
[22:52] * lopta waves
[22:52] <DanielTheFox> lopta: what would you do with 500 dollars?
[22:52] <lopta> DanielTheFox: Get my car serviced.
[22:53] <lopta> ...and take my children to the ice cream shop
[22:53] <DanielTheFox> hmm
[22:53] <DanielTheFox> nothing Pi-related?
[22:54] <DanielTheFox> well, priorities
[22:55] <lopta> Being able to keep my car on the road means I get to keep my job, which in turn pays for the USB 2.0 JBOD enclosure I want for my Raspberry Pi.
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[23:04] <Bitweasil> Why would you use a JBOD enclosure? It's worse in just about every way than simply having multiple disks attached.
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[23:05] <DanielTheFox> some wise old fox said people always believe they are right and do everything for at least one reason
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[23:05] <DanielTheFox> otherwise, they would not even try to do whatever they're doing
[23:07] <lopta> Bitweasil: If I use multiple separate disks I'll need a USB hub too.
[23:08] <Bitweasil> So? You've only got a single USB2 controller, it doesn't matter how you set things up.
[23:08] <lopta> The main differences are clutter and cooling.
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[23:34] <aZz7eCh> Does this look like i have understood external pullup correctly? https://snag.gy/w2OT7N.jpg
[23:35] <aZz7eCh> ((the circles in the square = makeshift terminal strip))
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[23:59] <meet> Hello, I am trying to connect a USB barcode scanner to RPi ZeroW, but I do not want to use the USB port since I need it to connect to my PC. I came across FTDI breakout circuit that can connect a USB device to the GPIO pins. But then I came across this answer that says that FTDI breakout itself is a slave, and the barcode scanner is also a slave, hence cannot work.

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