#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2019-02-28

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[0:00] <RoyK> perhaps a USB hub?
[0:01] <meet> Cannot use that
[0:01] <RoyK> find a small one and remove the cover, and it won't take up much room
[0:01] <meet> Since I am trying to make my PI a USB slave for the PC
[0:02] <lopta> meet: No, it doesn't work like that.
[0:02] <lopta> I have to go but I'll hopefully be back on later this evening.
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[0:03] <DanielTheFox> meet: at least from the same USB controller, you can't be master and slave at the same time
[0:04] <meet> yeah, that's why using the GPIO pins would make it different, right?
[0:04] <meet> I am not sure
[0:04] <aZz7eCh> can one of you guys have a quick squiz an check my circuit plan? https://snag.gy/w2OT7N.jpg
[0:04] <RoyK> same controller
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[0:05] <meet> I see
[0:05] <meet> I don't understand though, what does the FTDI chip do then, does it not bridge the interface difference?
[0:07] <artok> same chip, it is master or slave
[0:07] <meet> > FTDI Chip provides total solutions including silicon chips, development tools, application notes, and software support. Expertise in USB bridges provides seamless integration for a variety of interfaces such as UART, FIFO, I2C, SPI, PWM and GPIO, where the bridge converts the signalling and protocol from the selected interface to USB.
[0:07] <artok> on your case you have ftdi chip as slave when you connect rpi to pc
[0:08] <artok> if you want rpi to have usb slaves (act as master) you'll have to add another ftdi chip for example into i2c connections on rpi
[0:08] <artok> what exactly is the target for that setup?
[0:08] <artok> rpi filters barcodes?
[0:09] <meet> rpi relays the scanned barcodes to a remote server, and relays the same to the pc
[0:09] <meet> we want this whole setup to be pluggable in any pc
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[0:10] <artok> pc sees rpi as barcode scanner?
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[0:10] <meet> pc sees it as a keyboard, barcode scanners are also seen as keyboards when connected to a pc
[0:11] <artok> ya
[0:12] <meet> So, this setup would be possible if I use FTDI to I2C ?
[0:13] <meet> FTDI chip for usb to i2c*
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[0:14] <artok> programming rpi to be keyboard.. that's interesting
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[0:16] <meet> artok: yeah, it turns out it is quite simplel to do that
[0:16] <meet> but not to connect barcode scanner to rpi and then rpi to pc
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[0:18] <artok> well that rpi as hid seems truly simple
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[0:19] <DanielTheFox> I should try to see how that works
[0:19] <DanielTheFox> but well, I still need to have the Pi Zero W on hands
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[0:20] <meet> We can use model A raspberry pis as well
[0:20] <artok> need to get one also, just 3b+ around
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[0:21] <meet> why'd ftdi breakout board will use rpi's usb controller and ftdi i2c board not?
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[0:22] <artok> you have already some additional ftdi board?
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[0:22] <meet> nope
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[0:24] <artok> you need two ftdi chips, one is master (where you connect the barcode reader), one is slave (where pc is connected)
[0:24] <artok> then your program will handle data transmission between those two
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[0:25] <meet> i cannot connect the computer to the data microusb port?
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[0:29] <artok> https://blog.hackster.io/adding-usb-ports-to-the-raspberry-pi-zero-c9a50dc40af4
[0:30] <artok> check that
[0:30] <BurtyB> that doesn't help if meet wants to use the pi usb port as hid device
[0:32] <meet> yes, i have zero4u
[0:32] <meet> and that doesn't work
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[0:33] <meet> because rpi is then master to the scanner and a slave to pc, and it turns out one cannot be both
[0:33] <artok> aah yeah
[0:33] <meet> and switching between the two modes is not feasibel
[0:33] <meet> and switching between the two modes is not feasible
[0:33] <artok> that was just hub, not controller
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[0:34] <meet> can we add a new controller to rpi?
[0:34] <BurtyB> how about using an adafruit trinket m0 (or similar) for your usb hid device and talk to the pi over uart
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[0:37] <meet> not familiar with much of these terms, not from embedded devices background... but sure I will read up on it, thanks
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[0:40] <meet> how do we know if a given component, for instance like the ftgi breakout would use rpi's controller or something internal?
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[0:44] <BurtyB> meet, eh? which ftdi breakout are you looking at?
[0:45] <meet> not using anything yet, but looking at https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9716
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[0:47] <BurtyB> meet, that's unlikely to help
[0:48] <meet> is it going to be the same like adding a hub?
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[0:51] <BurtyB> meet, well I guess it depends what you want to do on the PC end - that will show up as a usb serial port and if you get the 3v3 version you can connect the rx/tx/gnd to the Pi
[0:53] <meet> BurtyB: I actually plan to connect the barcode scanner to ftdi and then connect the rpi to pc via the microusb
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[0:53] <BurtyB> meet, then it will do nothing
[0:53] <meet> nothing? the scanner won't connect?
[0:53] <BurtyB> meet, it has nothing to connect to they're both usb devices
[0:54] <BurtyB> meet, what protocol/use to you want the USB connection to the PC?
[0:54] <meet> umm.. USB?
[0:54] <artok> rpi as HID
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[0:56] <meet> BurtyB: I want to connect the barcode scanner to RPI, read from the scanner, relay the same to the PC as a keyboard.. so make the RPI a USB gadget using configfs
[0:56] <artok> rpi acts as HID keylogger/repeater
[0:56] <BurtyB> meet, that's what I figured - so as above I'd use the trinket m0 for the keyboard to pc and usb on the pi to the scanner
[0:57] <BurtyB> or another pizero+sd ;)
[0:58] <meet> BurtyB: isn't there any other way rather than adding another microcontroller?
[0:58] <artok> meet you need to add some chip anyway, so why not microcontroller?
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[0:59] <meet> chips would be cheaper?
[1:00] <meet> actually idk that, i just assumed
[1:00] <BurtyB> meet, you only have one usb interface on the pi zero so you'd need more hardware one way or another
[1:00] <artok> well trinket is somewhere $9 ?
[1:01] <meet> it's around 35$
[1:02] <meet> BurtyB: that's right I suppose
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[1:03] <meet> what about that suggestion to use a ftdi chip for usb to i2c, does it still appear as a usb slave device on rpi?
[1:04] <artok> I can get trinket m0 for 7,82 €
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[1:04] <artok> and finland is usually expensive =)
[1:05] <meet> it's about 2500 INR on amazon in india
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[1:06] <artok> woah
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[1:08] <meet> BurtyB: If I use it with another hardware, how'd the master rpi(rpi to which barcode scanner is connected) will connect to the slave rpi(the rpi that'd be an emulated HID)?
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[1:11] <BurtyB> meet, you could use serial (uart) on the gpio pins
[1:12] <artok> you'll use seri...
[1:12] <meet> and gpio pins have got nothing to do with the usb controller?
[1:12] <meet> whether it is master or slave
[1:16] <artok> gpio pins seem to be misleading
[1:18] <artok> as gpio pins are usually used many ways
[1:18] <artok> (in many ways)
[1:19] <meet> okay, but does it matter if rpi is usb slave or master to connect it to other rpi?
[1:20] <artok> you can use that rpi usb to be either master or slave
[1:20] <meet> now i am confused
[1:20] <meet> we connect ftdi to gpio pins, but it somehow uses the usb controller
[1:21] <meet> but if we connect rpi to rpi it won't use usb controller
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[1:22] <artok> actually I'm confused ... you said you have no additional chips?
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[1:22] <meet> yeah, i don't, but there doesn't seem a way around this without another chip..
[1:23] <artok> if you have just rpi zero, it has one usb port
[1:23] <artok> it can be either slave or master, and in this case we are recommending it to be slave, connect that to pc
[1:24] <meet> this case = with another cheap acting as master for barcode scanner?
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[1:24] <meet> chip*
[1:24] <artok> then you'll get the trinket and connect your barcode reader to that. it will regocnize the barcode as keyboard
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[1:25] <artok> then you'll connect trinket to rpi using serial
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[1:25] <artok> to trinket, program to forward anything coming from barcode reader to serial port
[1:26] <artok> and rpi program that listens to serial port and sends it to the pc, and to server as you wanted
[1:26] <meet> okay cool
[1:27] <meet> serial port = gpio pins?
[1:28] <artok> "gpio pins" well yes
[1:28] <artok> uart gpio pins
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[1:28] <meet> okay
[1:29] <artok> tx to rx, rx to tx
[1:29] <meet> so uart gpio pins have got nothing to do with the usb controller ?
[1:30] <artok> https://pinout.xyz/resources/raspberry-pi-pinout.png
[1:30] <artok> no
[1:30] <meet> okay
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[1:30] <meet> Then I understand how this can work
[1:30] <BurtyB> no, you can't connect the barcode reader to the trinket it can be a usb hid device and talk to the PC as a keyboard tho
[1:31] <artok> god damn did I say vice versa?
[1:31] <BurtyB> :)
[1:31] <meet> But I want to understand why the FTDI chip that also connects to gpio pins have anything to do with usb controller then?
[1:32] <meet> am i making any sense?
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[1:33] <meet> BurtyB: it seems that trinket has a usb port then why not?
[1:38] <BurtyB> meet, using the trinket as a USB devices (keyboard for the PC) is simple as there's code in the existing arduino libraries. the trinket m0 hardware can be a host but it's likely a lot harder than pulling in existing code
[1:39] <meet> okay
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[1:40] <meet> so it doesn't have a OS
[1:40] <meet> not a complete pc like pi zero
[1:40] <artok> you're using terms quite loosely =)
[1:41] <meet> not a general purpose computer is better?
[1:42] <meet> thanks for all the help artok, BurtyB, DanielTheFox, lopta
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[1:50] <toastintheshell> meet pizero has a complete linux
[1:50] <toastintheshell> with desktop etc.
[1:51] <toastintheshell> or bsd or plan 9 or even windows if you're nasty
[1:51] <meet> toastintheshell: i meant trinket wasn't
[1:51] <toastintheshell> oh so sorry, misread
[1:52] <toastintheshell> and tired, just got off another ridiculous day of work
[1:53] <meet> haha, happens, no need to sorry for something like this
[1:53] <meet> be*
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[2:09] <artok> my project specs has now rpi + 2x arduino uno
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[2:10] <artok> just to simplify the connections.. but gosh the coding project bloated =)
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[2:14] <toastintheshell> artok: so I missed a bunch, whatcha doooooin?
[2:15] <artok> it was just a comment =)
[2:15] <artok> i'm working on a robot thingie
[2:16] <artok> multiple sensors, handled by arduino and then the main logic runs on rpi
[2:17] <toastintheshell> not enough gpio?
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[2:17] <artok> yeah that's the first thing
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[2:19] <toastintheshell> damn DanielTheFox my internet's slower than yours right now
[2:20] <artok> I had proto board using 3 x mcp23017 connected to i2c in rpi, but found out that it was better to handle several sensors on arduino and then just poll values when needed to the rpi main logic
[2:20] <toastintheshell> need to office space that router soon
[2:21] <toastintheshell> artok: that makes sense, pi needn't be bothered with all that smalltalk with the sensors
[2:23] <toastintheshell> 2.9 GB download, 7 days left
[2:24] <artok> I had them on daemon that was listening to socket for calls, but then again.. microcontrollers are cheap
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[2:25] <toastintheshell> artok: I've been doing a lot of distribution of processes between devices lately for that reason, I think of it like the unix philosophy applied to hardware
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[2:29] <toastintheshell> make each tool do one (and only one) thing, and do it well. So I have one with a window manager and some others with various functions: one for web browsing, one for messing with network stuff/router-firewall (to partially replace the verizon one's functionality until I can get a new one), one for miscellaneous gui applications, one for anything goes weirdness...
[2:30] <toastintheshell> need to figure out how to make ssh -Y smoother though, nothing I've tried seems to make much difference, and vnc on pi-pi is even worse
[2:31] <toastintheshell> so I like the idea of adding arduinos into the mix
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[2:34] <artok> also possibility that I'll add old samsung phone to do some bit crunching using it's gpu
[2:35] <toastintheshell> what os?
[2:35] <artok> android or rpi?
[2:36] <aZz7eCh> toastintheshell, do me a favor man,pls? does this look like i understand the ext.pullup situation before i go plugging it all in and killing a pi? https://snag.gy/w2OT7N.jpg
[2:36] <aZz7eCh> ((still trying to nut out this noise situation))
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[2:37] <toastintheshell> the samsung, using lineage or stock android?
[2:38] <artok> toastintheshell: don't know yet... need to check out what I can use
[2:38] <artok> and depends on the phone
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[2:38] <artok> if I'll get that honor 7 lite to work, I'll use that
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[2:38] <artok> daughter's old phone
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[2:40] <toastintheshell> artok: what do you use to interface an android phone with the rpi?
[2:40] * DanielTheFox votes for WiFi
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[2:41] <artok> usb is another, but let's see
[2:42] <artok> honor 7 has problems connecting to wifi, problems with either the wifi chip or antenna
[2:42] <DanielTheFox> does Android allow programming C directly?
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[2:42] <artok> yeah
[2:42] <artok> ...or c++
[2:43] <artok> I don't touch java
[2:43] * DanielTheFox increases c value by 1
[2:43] <toastintheshell> aZz7eCh: I have a bad memory, remind me what you're trying to do again?
[2:43] <toastintheshell> java's for dweebs
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[2:44] <DanielTheFox> real men use C
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[2:44] <DanielTheFox> or C++
[2:44] <aZz7eCh> i have noisy as hell trigger circuits
[2:45] <aZz7eCh> inputs
[2:45] <aZz7eCh> so i'm doing my first attempt at externally pulling up with 10k resistors
[2:45] <aZz7eCh> as i'm convinced at the moment they're not ghost triggers its just flat out floating.
[2:46] <DanielTheFox> aZz7eCh: it boils down to bridging the input to VCC using a 10k ohm resistor
[2:46] <aZz7eCh> https://snag.gy/w2OT7N.jpg
[2:46] <aZz7eCh> yep like this
[2:46] <DanielTheFox> if you abide to that, you're fine
[2:46] <DanielTheFox> and yes, floating inputs not pulled anywhere are easy to trigger
[2:46] <aZz7eCh> 3.3 to the gpios as input, with 10k resistor
[2:46] <DanielTheFox> even by the goddamn air!
[2:47] <aZz7eCh> i've drawn my circuit... acutlaly hell i've just finishd building it want a photo for lols?
[2:47] <DanielTheFox> supposedly you shouldn't ever leave inputs floating
[2:47] <DanielTheFox> they're either forced to GND (if not going to be used ever) or pulled high and waiting for actual data to come
[2:48] <aZz7eCh> i've got them high because thats how i started and all my code is written lol. i figure no harm leaving it that way.
[2:48] <DanielTheFox> yeah
[2:48] <DanielTheFox> standard is pull high drive low
[2:49] <DanielTheFox> you make old-school people (like me) happy, and you use an already proven technique
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[2:49] <aZz7eCh> lol
[2:49] <aZz7eCh> wait till you see the outcome
[2:49] <toastintheshell> I am not great with physical circuit stuff, I hope I didn't accidentally give you that impression, I'm just real nice with the googles
[2:50] <DanielTheFox> I only do /some/ digital stuff
[2:50] <aZz7eCh> https://snag.gy/W7ODIM.jpg
[2:50] <DanielTheFox> and DAC, and hackish ADC (using a linear counter, a latch and a voltage comparator)
[2:50] <DanielTheFox> beyond that, nope
[2:50] <toastintheshell> I can blink the bejeezes out of some leds though
[2:50] <aZz7eCh> toastintheshell, lol
[2:51] <artok> aZz7eCh: what are the things that are connected to the gpio pins then?
[2:51] <aZz7eCh> i hope you click on the image above and inspect my lovely wiring job with no solder
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[2:51] <artok> oh proper relay board
[2:51] <aZz7eCh> artok, what you referring to exactly? ohhhh the triggers?
[2:52] <aZz7eCh> one is a plain old momentary button (stop button)
[2:52] <DanielTheFox> if you had more Pi's, you would (maybe) worry less about Pi's death
[2:52] <aZz7eCh> the other is a momentary microswitch
[2:52] <aZz7eCh> i have 70 in the field operating im down to my last few
[2:52] <DanielTheFox> I like latching buttons for power stuff
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[2:53] <toastintheshell> whoah that looks pretty neato, what's it control again?
[2:53] <aZz7eCh> eh.. i have vending machines across the city
[2:53] <aZz7eCh> i rebuilt them all with Pis and relay boards couple of years back with channels help
[2:53] <artok> oh yeah, momentary switch, pullup
[2:55] <DanielTheFox> loool
[2:55] <DanielTheFox> vending machines with Pis inside?
[2:55] <aZz7eCh> ;)
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[2:55] <aZz7eCh> you should have seen the dinosaur s*** they ran on b4
[2:55] <DanielTheFox> I'm sure I'll end up in jail (or animal control?) if I happen to be close to one of them
[2:55] <DanielTheFox> I don't care about the fries inside! I want the Pi!
[2:56] <aZz7eCh> hah
[2:56] <aZz7eCh> they're only pi2's
[2:56] <DanielTheFox> still!
[2:56] <DanielTheFox> better than purpose embebbed chips
[2:57] <DanielTheFox> sometimes I wonder if having FLASH internal storage on the Pi's board would be a good idea
[2:57] <DanielTheFox> that would bring the costs up
[2:57] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: fries come in vending machines now?
[2:57] <DanielTheFox> if I understood what a "vending machine" is
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[2:58] <DanielTheFox> they sell branded stuff like Lays, bread, cookies
[2:58] <DanielTheFox> candy bars
[2:58] <DanielTheFox> or I completely misread?
[2:58] <toastintheshell> lol, well, it's like the big boxes you put money in and soda pops out
[2:58] <DanielTheFox> ok, not so far
[2:58] <toastintheshell> or candy or chips, but fries I'd like to see
[2:58] <DanielTheFox> yeah, I meant chips where I said fries
[2:59] <DanielTheFox> I've seen them, they sell overpriced stuff
[2:59] <toastintheshell> oh gotcha, the confusion might come from those silly british people calling fries chips...
[2:59] <DanielTheFox> they're fried anyway ;)
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[2:59] <toastintheshell> gonna logout and log back in brb
[3:00] <DanielTheFox> ok
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[3:01] <DanielTheFox> aZz7eCh: so well, glad I'm not even close to your vending machines
[3:01] <DanielTheFox> glad for us
[3:01] <aZz7eCh> LOL Daniel
[3:01] <DanielTheFox> you, with broken machines and missing boards (the chips and candybars being inside and well), and me, in jail
[3:01] <DanielTheFox> (or dead, overdosed with tranquilizers, vets causing death and preventing it at the same time)
[3:02] <DanielTheFox> as you can see, I'm obsessed with these boards
[3:03] <DanielTheFox> just like, some time ago, there was some stickman obsessed with staples
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[3:09] <toastintheshell> oh man, I forgot how nice this retina display is
[3:10] <toastintheshell> I've been using the rpi almost exclusively for weeks now, definitely slower lol
[3:10] <DanielTheFox> not much slower than my other systems
[3:11] <DanielTheFox> for instance, it's faster than the netbook I use as router
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[3:12] <toastintheshell> macbooks have such a nice design, but it took me months of research and hacking away at it just to get it dualbooting a half-way usable linux with my preferred setup
[3:13] <aZz7eCh> i run debian on mine
[3:13] <aZz7eCh> never looked back
[3:13] <toastintheshell> aZz7eCh: which macbook?
[3:13] <DanielTheFox> I still use stock raspbian
[3:13] <aZz7eCh> imac 27" tho sorry
[3:13] * DanielTheFox hides
[3:14] <toastintheshell> I have debian on an old imac (well it's bunsenlabs, which I've been quite enjoying
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[3:14] <toastintheshell> hey, where'd he go?
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[3:15] <ball> I had no luck making NetBSD work on my original PowerPC iBook. Eventually I even resorted to buying Linux for it.
[3:15] <toastintheshell> but this thing is suuuuuuuch a pain to make play nice, it's like trying to install linux on the department of motor vehicles
[3:15] <ball> ...and then I threw it away. :-)
[3:16] * DanielTheFox hides behind a pizza box stack
[3:17] <ball> DanielTheFox: SPARCstations?
[3:17] <toastintheshell> but I'll be damned if the display doesn't look fire
[3:17] <toastintheshell> keyboard's kinda dumb though, not much tactile feedback
[3:17] <DanielTheFox> I only know Domino's and Pizza Hut
[3:18] <ball> Was in in here that we were talking about SPARCstation sound chips the other day?
[3:19] <toastintheshell> what year(ish) powerbook?
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[3:21] <aZz7eCh> do you know what
[3:22] <aZz7eCh> they need to sell 40-pin GPIO layout as like A3 wall art
[3:22] <toastintheshell> speaking of old apple hardware, I recently came into posession of an old mac plus :) Customer was throwing it out but didn't know how to wipe the hard drive, I told him I'd wipe it for him if I could have it, got it home, opened it up, where's the hard drive??? ooooooohhhhhhh riiiiiiiiiiiiight... now I remember...
[3:23] <toastintheshell> wish it was an apple IIe though, owning one's been on my bucket list since 1st grade
[3:23] <aZz7eCh> oh dude
[3:24] <ball> toastintheshell: do you have the special case-cracking tool then? I haven't had the heart to throw mine away.
[3:24] <aZz7eCh> I have a Mac Classic, a Mac Classic II, a Classic SE, a Performa 250 (drool), and ... the kicker... i have a full 512k set. printer, external drive, everything!
[3:24] <toastintheshell> mac plus case cracking tool? this was pre-lockdown apple, couple screws
[3:25] <aZz7eCh> (i even have carry bags for couple)
[3:25] <aZz7eCh> i flapping loath apple tho holy moly.
[3:26] <toastintheshell> I don't even think hardware ~drm was yet a twinkle in steve-jobs' black soulless eyes yet by that point
[3:26] <ball> Hmm... mine's a torx bit on a long metal shaft with a doohicky at the other end to separate the bezel from the back
[3:26] <toastintheshell> not on an 80s-release mac, right?
[3:27] <DanielTheFox> why is DRM a thing at all?
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[3:28] <d0rm0us3> Movie Industry aka RIAA
[3:28] <DanielTheFox> as far I can tell from the visible iceberg part, some dumbbutt decided to sell games and media that could be seen in a free and nice platform, like a PC
[3:28] <aZz7eCh> if i'm doing external pullups, i should remove any reference to GPIO.PUD_UP yeah? will it matter that first time i boot it will pull them up internally as well as externally before i can disable them?
[3:28] <DanielTheFox> then other dumbbutts noticed PC was so free, copying required nearly zero effort
[3:28] <DanielTheFox> then they started persuading manufacturers, government and, more importantly, clients, to put lockdown stuff on later computer models
[3:29] <DanielTheFox> since 90% people isn't even tech-savvy enough to notice the lack of freedom this caused, the unlucky 10% us have to live with horrible lack of freedom modifications in hardware, software, etcetera
[3:29] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: Radio Industry Association of America and Movie Producers A... A...
[3:30] <DanielTheFox> I own the goddamn hardware, why am I not allowed to install whatever my hind wants to?
[3:30] <d0rm0us3> gotta pay for PI
[3:32] <DanielTheFox> I feel the same rant-inducing feeling for all Apple devices, videogame consoles and cellphones
[3:32] * artok is happy apple user
[3:32] <DanielTheFox> and, of course, other locked-down devices
[3:32] <toastintheshell> they make sure you can't download music so you have to go on youtube with an adblocker to listen to it with random peoples' crappy typo-laden lyrics made in imovie on the screen to listen to it for free
[3:32] <artok> macbook pro, ipad, iphone
[3:32] <DanielTheFox> youtube-dl is magic
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[3:33] <DanielTheFox> I can download only the music out of those lyrics
[3:33] <toastintheshell> yeah youtube-dl is the bees knees
[3:33] <artok> oh good that you reminded me, gotta order new music today
[3:33] <DanielTheFox> hmff
[3:33] <toastintheshell> is it legal? I don't think even the stupid riaa people know
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[3:34] <DanielTheFox> I think they know
[3:34] <DanielTheFox> probably not enough people has noticed for them to make further actions
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[3:35] <DanielTheFox> like, I guess less than 0.1% youtube users ever try that?
[3:35] <artok> as a fellow musician and producer and dj, I pay for music that I have
[3:35] <DanielTheFox> (which is still a lot of people)
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[3:36] <ball> There's some great free (e.g. creative commons) music out there and I am able to buy the occasional CD too.
[3:36] <toastintheshell> Apple I and Apple II were freedom-respecting hardware though, not as familiar with everything about the macplus
[3:37] <ball> (which I rip because how else am I going to play them?)
[3:37] <DanielTheFox> I have boombox here
[3:37] <DanielTheFox> able to read CD
[3:38] <DanielTheFox> somehow it looks like most people here live in cardboard boxes, they quickly excuse not having enough space when I ask them why they throw away everything even if it works
[3:38] <toastintheshell> I pay for music that I want to support, buy albums, or better yet go to their concerts and especially buy merch, that's where the real profit margins for them are
[3:38] <DanielTheFox> here = channel
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[3:39] <artok> I don't listen music that I don't want to support =)
[3:39] <DanielTheFox> if I had more money, I'd pay for the music
[3:39] <DanielTheFox> but given that I can't even buy a Pi... ;)
[3:40] <DanielTheFox> anyone ever done cat-related projects with a RPi?
[3:40] <toastintheshell> wanted to till my cats died :/
[3:40] <ball> artok: I don't know whether or not I want to support it until I've heard it once or twice. :-)
[3:40] <ball> (if I hear a couple of tracks I like, I buy the album)
[3:41] <toastintheshell> like a treat feeder with a camera so I could see what they're doing from my phone, and maybe eventually a controllable lazer pointer
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[3:41] <DanielTheFox> automatic laser pointer
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[3:44] <toastintheshell> I do enjoy the feeling of accomplishment from hacking a device that wants to restrict my freedom into total submission
[3:44] <toastintheshell> which is honestly why I love this macbook so much
[3:44] <DanielTheFox> I'd like to do so to my 3DS
[3:45] <DanielTheFox> but I keep it up to date
[3:45] <DanielTheFox> so that's pretty much contradictory
[3:47] <toastintheshell> it's not 100% fixed, but it's pretty darn close. the touchbar is just stupidly impossible to hack though, best anyone's figured out so far is to install the windows drivers, which is literally just pictures on the display that look like keyboard keys and if you hit FN they change to different keys
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[3:48] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: you should make it submit to your demands
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[3:54] <toastintheshell> but I think I'm going to err toward buying more free hardware in the future since, A: I want to support good companies (like with music), and B: it's like swimming with the current to see how far you can get, not like swimming against it just for the challenge
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[3:57] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: 3ds runs linux
[3:58] <DanielTheFox> assuming we talk about the same 3DS
[3:58] <toastintheshell> *can run linux, not sure what the OS is based on
[3:58] <DanielTheFox> I don't own the new 3DS one tho
[3:58] <DanielTheFox> it's the old one
[3:58] <DanielTheFox> I bought it in 2013 I think
[3:58] <artok> ...and there is Blender
[3:59] <toastintheshell> so if you want plus 10 unix beard millimeters, you'll install linux on it
[3:59] * DanielTheFox dislikes having an actual beard
[3:59] <toastintheshell> artok: what about blender?
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> blenders are dangerous and messy
[3:59] <DanielTheFox> if you don't put your hand on it, the top opens and spills food everywhere
[4:00] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: it's a virtual beard
[4:00] <artok> when talking about 3DS, Blender needs to be said even it is not what meant in this situation ;)
[4:00] <toastintheshell> blender runs on a ds?
[4:01] <artok> on graphics software 3D modeling, 3DS is one software and Blender is open source alternative
[4:01] <DanielTheFox> hrm
[4:01] <DanielTheFox> definitely artok is not in sync with our CLK
[4:01] <toastintheshell> wise guy eh?
[4:01] <toastintheshell> lol
[4:01] <artok> yeah, just wiseguy =)
[4:01] <toastintheshell> whyioughta
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[4:03] <_unreal_> sup
[4:03] <toastintheshell> _unreal_: yo son
[4:04] <ball> I should go and fire up the work laptop
[4:04] <ball> brb
[4:05] <DanielTheFox> noooooo
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[4:06] <toastintheshell> hey who told this guy my password?
[4:06] * toastintheshell switches it to password5
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[4:09] <toastintheshell> I think we've gotten off topic, _unreal_ did you get that link I sent before you went to sleep last night?
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[4:13] <toastintheshell> it was about the parallel port and HALD I think? was on a different machine so I don't have that bookmark, looks like a lot of it's on the hal man page actually though http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html
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[4:14] <_unreal_> ahhhhhh
[4:14] <_unreal_> maybe?
[4:14] <_unreal_> what was it again?
[4:14] <_unreal_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/parallel-port.html
[4:14] <_unreal_> ?
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[4:15] <toastintheshell> yeah that's it
[4:15] <_unreal_> nope never saw it
[4:16] <toastintheshell> I think we need more information about what it is you want to do in order to help you get that thing working
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[4:16] <ball> woohoo!
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[4:17] <_unreal_> simple... There are a lot of GPIO's I need at least the PAR port level of GPIO's setup like those to use linux cnc
[4:17] <toastintheshell> sshh, everybody he's back
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[4:18] <_unreal_> more or less you have XYZ(A) or AB depending on the setup each of those letters stands for 2 pins of input STEP and direction.
[4:18] <toastintheshell> sooo, is there a tutorial or something you're using to build the cnc machine?
[4:18] <_unreal_> then you have the home pins
[4:18] <_unreal_> many
[4:19] <_unreal_> but I've made them in the past
[4:19] <_unreal_> mach3 part port would be a good example of setup
[4:19] <_unreal_> for standard par port
[4:19] <_unreal_> cnc usage
[4:20] <_unreal_> but that is besides the point. I need at minimum the equivalent of a parallel port that I can assign the pins there functions in linuxcnc
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[4:30] <toastintheshell> well it's simple really all you have to do is create a hal file that loads the gpio driver (if there is one for the raspberry pi, machinekit does provide one but the realtime ability is not all that great), creates the threads and creates the required nets...
[4:30] <DanielTheFox> toastintheshell: ok
[4:31] <toastintheshell> I have no idea what most of that means
[4:31] <toastintheshell> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/33776-linuxcnc-on-raspberry
[4:31] <toastintheshell> but does it sound to _unreal_ like we're getting warmer?
[4:32] <DanielTheFox> so I have great ideas for Pi Zero W
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[4:32] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: spit it out
[4:32] <DanielTheFox> 1. FM radio transmitter
[4:32] <DanielTheFox> 2. NFM (Walkie-talkie) radio transmitter
[4:33] <toastintheshell> preach
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[4:33] <DanielTheFox> 3. Cluster (running whatever toastintheshell writes)
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[4:33] <toastintheshell> yes lawd
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[4:33] <DanielTheFox> 4. Multipurpose USB slave
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[4:34] <toastintheshell> that sounds awesome, you should get a huge antenna and start a pirate radio station (my lawyer informs me that I maintain this is sarcasm)
[4:34] * toastintheshell winks
[4:35] <DanielTheFox> it wouldn't have great range either
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[4:35] <toastintheshell> cluster of pizero repeaters
[4:35] <DanielTheFox> like, I wouldn't expect beyond 100 metres with good audio quality
[4:35] <DanielTheFox> the repeaters are fancy tho
[4:35] <Plasmoduck> Howdy
[4:35] <DanielTheFox> 5. WiFi access point
[4:35] <Plasmoduck> I just ordered one of these http://www.apollo-accelerators.com/#wheretobuy
[4:36] <Plasmoduck> Its like the wait for the original Raspberry Pi
[4:38] <DanielTheFox> PIE!
[4:39] <DanielTheFox> ok
[4:39] <DanielTheFox> sleep
[4:39] <DanielTheFox> bye
[4:39] <toastintheshell> DanielTheFox: that's awesome, I'll try to get to microcenter on saturday
[4:40] <toastintheshell> peace be with you
[4:40] <DanielTheFox> ok, see ya
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[4:48] <toastintheshell> ugh, forgot I haven't set up a low battery warning on this thing yet
[4:48] <toastintheshell> Plasmoduck: is that thing just for running amiga?
[4:49] <Plasmoduck> I'm starting a kickstarter for an affordable ARM based development system. Main requrement are it must have between 4-8gb of DDR3 ram, quadcore arm processor at 2+ Ghz, has 24Gb flash storage plus SATA connected for SSD, supports USB3, Gigabit ethernet, wifi.
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[4:50] <Plasmoduck> toastintheshell, yes it's a stand alone amiga system
[4:51] <toastintheshell> that's pretty schnazzy
[4:51] <Plasmoduck> The idea of this system is to replace most Linux users main systems
[4:51] <Plasmoduck> and give them more power than the raspberry pi
[4:51] <Plasmoduck> It's an alternative to x86/64
[4:52] <Plasmoduck> It will have a form factor similar to the Apple Mac Mini
[4:52] <Plasmoduck> video ram will be 1gb, hdmi and display port outputs.
[4:52] <toastintheshell> so would it be an sbc?
[4:53] <Plasmoduck> Yes
[4:53] <Plasmoduck> But a much more powerful one than the pi that is able to be used as a main development system
[4:53] <toastintheshell> what sort of price point are we talking here?
[4:53] <Plasmoduck> $300-$500
[4:54] <toastintheshell> one that has all the current standard io for real computers?
[4:54] <Plasmoduck> Bear in mind, it is NOT a Raspberry Pi replacement/competitor, but rather, an Intel replacement/competitor to replace your main system
[4:54] <Plasmoduck> yep
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[4:55] <toastintheshell> but does it respect my gnu-slash-freedom?
[4:55] <Plasmoduck> I'm currently in the process of PCB board design
[4:55] <Plasmoduck> It sure does
[4:56] <Plasmoduck> It will be using Coreboot
[4:56] <Plasmoduck> an open source bios
[4:56] <Plasmoduck> firmware
[4:56] <Plasmoduck> https://www.coreboot.org/
[4:59] <toastintheshell> one of the reasons I haven't really gotten into other boards yet is because it seems like driver support is hard to come by, would you be using hardware that's easy to port a lot of existing distros/software to?
[4:59] <Plasmoduck> This is what I am hoping to use for the processor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_(processor_core)
[5:00] <Plasmoduck> Yes I will be
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[5:00] <Plasmoduck> It will be just as compatible as the pi
[5:00] <toastintheshell> cool
[5:01] <toastintheshell> is there any other processors you're looking at?
[5:02] <Plasmoduck> I am hoping to use an open source processor
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[5:02] <Plasmoduck> But if not, than probably a broadcom
[5:03] <toastintheshell> finally a processor I can run hurd on
[5:03] <Plasmoduck> I need to do a lot of research and I need help too
[5:03] <Plasmoduck> I need to put together a team
[5:04] <Plasmoduck> I will be making a web page in the next few days for people to express their interest in joining the research and development team for the project
[5:04] <toastintheshell> but only 32 bit :/ but dat open source doe
[5:04] <Plasmoduck> 64bit processor
[5:05] <toastintheshell> oh, hm, am I looking at the wrong thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_(processor_core)
[5:06] <Plasmoduck> That's the older version, im hoping they have a 64bit amber based processor ready
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[5:08] <toastintheshell> open source 64bit processor, and as far as I understand arm's architecture is inherently more energy efficient because wizards or whatever (or is it just because it's usually used on lower-spec systems?)
[5:08] <toastintheshell> would that mean longer battery life if hacked into a laptop?
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[5:12] <toastintheshell> but if you want to compete with x86, why not make a board with expandable memory/gpu?
[5:14] <toastintheshell> not sure if external gpus are even an arm thing, and... possibly memory as well? are ram modules architecture dependent?
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[5:19] <Plasmoduck> you can join the channel #StrongARM if you are interested
[5:19] <toastintheshell> would a pci slot be doable?
[5:19] <toastintheshell> oh sounds good
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[5:23] <amigojapan> What advantage would it have over the pine64?
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[5:29] <Plasmoduck> amigojapan much more powerful, you can plug your Nvidia/AMD video card in and SSD
[5:30] <amigojapan> I see. Thanks Plasmoduck
[5:30] <Plasmoduck> Like I said, its supposed to be an every day use / development board to replace your main pc
[5:31] <Plasmoduck> All the tings you do now on your Intel/AMD system like Steam gaming, HD video editing and watching you can do on the StrongARM
[5:31] <amigojapan> As long as it remains reasonable in price
[5:31] <amigojapan> Plasmoduck how much ram can it address?
[5:32] <Plasmoduck> I'm aiming for 8gb with the first release
[5:32] <amigojapan> I see
[5:32] <Plasmoduck> but the second I want to have 2 removable dim slots supporting up to 32GB
[5:32] <Plasmoduck> The first release will more than likely have soldered ram
[5:32] <amigojapan> Ok. As long as it is easy cheaper than Intel
[5:33] <amigojapan> Way cheaper
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[5:34] <Plasmoduck> Of course, the whole system should be between $300-$500, thats for 8GB DDR3 ram, 2-2.6Ghz quadcore ARM chip, USB3, 1 16x PCIe slot and 2 4x PCIe, gigabit ethernet, wifi etc
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[5:35] <Plasmoduck> SATA III
[5:35] <Plasmoduck> Possibly M.2
[5:35] <amigojapan> I don't really see myself wanting to plug a videocard in mine but maybe someone is
[5:36] <amigojapan> Video cards are huge and expensive
[5:36] <amigojapan> I would like a pine64 with 8 gigs of RAM tho
[5:37] <amigojapan> 4 gigs is enough
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[5:43] <smouldery> waveform, tried pigpio's wave function
[5:43] <smouldery> literally perfect, thank you!!
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[5:48] <Plasmoduck> I love my GTX 1070
[5:48] <Plasmoduck> I do a lot of gaming like Battlefield 1 and 5
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[5:49] <amigojapan> Plasmoduck what is the average over sticking with x86?
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[5:50] <amigojapan> Advantage over
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[5:51] <Plasmoduck> Cheaper hardware, cheaper power usage, fun
[5:52] <Plasmoduck> The fun of using ARM
[5:52] <Plasmoduck> I gotta do some cleaning, Ill be back in like an hour
[5:52] <amigojapan> Ok
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[5:53] <amigojapan> Power usage is not a big deal for a desktop
[5:54] <toastintheshell> if you can turn it into a laptop, that'd be a sweet deal though
[5:55] <toastintheshell> if you can put 32gbram in there even sweeter
[5:56] <toastintheshell> is it hard to address a lot of ram on arm?
[5:57] <amigojapan> toastintheshell but the requirement for a videocard is bad for a laptop design
[5:57] <toastintheshell> can't it be onboard and optional expansion?
[5:58] <toastintheshell> how much would that affect pricing?
[5:58] <amigojapan> That did not sound like what he had in mind
[5:59] <amigojapan> Sounds like he wants to make an arm desktop
[5:59] <toastintheshell> can you have 1gb video memory without onboard graphics?
[5:59] <toastintheshell> is that a thing?
[6:00] <amigojapan> Oh I did not see him mention that. I think he means on the video card
[6:01] <toastintheshell> finally rms can ditch emacs and embrace the desktop
[6:01] <toastintheshell> he said he'll be back in an hour or so
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[6:05] <phinxy_> \o/ honorable mention of richard matthew stallman \o/
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[6:07] <toastintheshell> never knew what the M stood for before
[6:07] <toastintheshell> til now
[6:08] <toastintheshell> he applied toe cream to his feet in my car one time
[6:08] <toastintheshell> as an appendix to the story I told last night
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[6:14] <amigojapan> Lol toastintheshell
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[6:14] <toastintheshell> short version is 'he gave a talk at my college, needed a ride so I offered, I don't think he liked my 1% disagreement with his philosophy very much (or me for that matter)
[6:17] <toastintheshell> I still like him though
[6:21] <toastintheshell> maybe Plasmoduck can come out with the strongarm1 before the pi4
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[7:11] <amigojapan> toastintheshell it does not seem like the strongarm is aiming to compete with the pi4 to me
[7:11] <swift110> nice
[7:12] <mlelstv> maybe it's a verystrongarm
[7:13] <amigojapan> The pine64 is competing tho
[7:13] <amigojapan> And already exists
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[7:19] <toastintheshell> amigojapan: I'm just bumbed out rpi hasn't even told us about any plans for the 4
[7:21] <amigojapan> toastintheshell probably cause the pi 3 is good enough for now
[7:21] <CyberManifest> toastintheshell: I think there are articles about it
[7:21] <CyberManifest> toastintheshell: besides there are other alternatives with similar if not better specs already presently available
[7:22] <toastintheshell> better specs, abysmal ecosystems though
[7:22] <CyberManifest> mostly, but some same Arch so same effectiveness
[7:23] <CyberManifest> Vim 2 Max uses Cortex A53s also, just in Octo config
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[7:26] <toastintheshell> having a whole lot of googleable forum posts, image files, software, hardware, etc. really is a nice feature though
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[7:44] <toastintheshell> amigojapan: Plasmoduck is thinking onboard and gpu expansion slot
[7:45] <toastintheshell> welcome to join the channel if you like
[7:45] <toastintheshell> #StrongARM
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[7:46] <amigojapan> toastintheshell having a pci bus would take up a lot of space and is not useful for a laptop
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[8:44] <aZz7eCh> gosh darn .... so defeating :( all this work to make external pullups ... installed all the same plan in the machine and boom ... same crap as internal pullups. triggering left right centre floating all over the place :(
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[8:50] <aZz7eCh> am i using appropriate resistors? 10k 0.5W
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[9:01] <aZz7eCh> its definitely my leads to buttons acting as antenna. pretty much soon as I disconnect them, all falses disappear
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[9:11] <Plasmoduck> If I want to run a program as user pi on boot, how do I do it?
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[9:19] <aZz7eCh> twisted pair network cable (still in shielding), telephone cable, speaker cable, i'm out of ideas .... any type of wire = noisy circuits, what the fadge
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[9:24] <Habbie> Plasmoduck, a systemd unit is the best way
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[12:35] <laptop2> shiftplusone, so figured it out I think
[12:36] <shiftplusone> what was it?
[12:36] <laptop2> it was because of use of the legacy VCHIQ init method
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[12:37] <laptop2> should use 0x48010 through the property interface nowadays right?
[12:38] <laptop2> and and pass the physical addr of slot memory through that
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[12:41] <laptop2> anyway, I have now to rebase userland with the VCOS interface for that platform
[12:41] <laptop2> drifted quite a bit since 2016
[12:42] <shiftplusone> No idea. I'm the distro monkey, so I rarely touch the firmware.
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[14:19] <Plasmoduck> Has anyone ran Plex server on the pi? How does it run? DOes it use a lot of cpu and ram?
[14:22] <amigojapan> Plasmoduck: hmmm, seesm plex is freemium :P
[14:23] <Plasmoduck> freemium?
[14:24] <amigojapan> Plasmoduck: it means they have premium content for pay
[14:24] <amigojapan> Plasmoduck: it is not totally free
[14:24] <Plasmoduck> I know, I just want to run a plex server to share my movies to my tv
[14:24] <Plasmoduck> I used it before on an old dell server, was great
[14:25] <amigojapan> ok, I have heard people talk about XBMC on rpi, but I did not use it myself
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[14:27] <WeaselSoup> kodi (new name of xbmc) works fine on rpi
[14:27] <Plasmoduck> I dont want kodi
[14:27] <WeaselSoup> as far as I know plex is a fork of an old version of xbmc
[14:27] <Plasmoduck> I like plex
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[14:29] <Plasmoduck> https://thepi.io/how-to-set-up-a-raspberry-pi-plex-server/
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[15:42] <lfish> hello, I have (hunted down in the internet) a script that polls the usb ports of my raspberry pi 3 and outputs the names of the connected devices. Is there a way to do something similar with the uarts?
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[15:45] <leftyfb> lfish: lsusb didn't do what you wanted for usb as opposed to the script?
[15:47] <larsks> lfish: not...really? I mean, USB devices are "smart" devices; the computer can query them for information like model, vendor, serial, etc. Things plugged into a UART are "dumb". You can't even tell for certain if something is plugged in or not.
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[15:49] <lfish> leftyfb: thing is, I need the /dev/tty* to connect to to it, lsusb doesn't give me that
[15:49] <lfish> larsks: ok, I'll figure something out then, thanks
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[15:59] <larsks> lfish: if you work from the other direction, "udevadminfo info /dev/ttyUSB0", for example, will let you which USB device that serial port is associated with.
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[16:51] <Nizumzen> can anyone recommend a decent JTAG hardware debugger for the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ at all? I've looked at Segger J-Link devices and they seem to do what I want but they are rather expensive
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[16:52] <DanielTheFox> the Pi on its own has 3.3V logic
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[16:53] <shiftplusone> If you want decent, then J-Link is the go to. But I'm sure there are many cheap options which will also work, including using another pi.
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[16:54] <Nizumzen> hmm I guess I want something decent - I'll go with the J-Link then
[16:55] <Nizumzen> want to try my hand at OS programming and doing remote debugging using JTAG
[16:55] <shiftplusone> There's always qemu
[16:55] <Nizumzen> hadn't thought of that
[16:55] <Nizumzen> hmm
[16:57] <Nizumzen> I'll have to look into that
[16:58] <shiftplusone> something like this https://aurabindo.in/arm-baremetal-debug-with-qemu-and-gdb/
[16:59] <RoyK> an arduino and a bit of setup should work
[16:59] <shiftplusone> until you get to "this runs in qemu but not on a pi" problem
[17:00] <Nizumzen> well it is a start - at least I'll be able to practice
[17:00] <Nizumzen> can move onto a real Pi when I am a bit more confident
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[17:02] <shiftplusone> There are tons of bare metal examples you can use now if you are not sure how to initialise something. peterlemon/krom and dwelch have lots of examples and documentation on github, but idk if they've updated it for the newer models.
[17:02] <BurtyB> another raspberry pi?
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[17:03] <shiftplusone> ultibo have a pretty complete bare metal environment as well
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[17:03] <shiftplusone> It's all pascal, but I find it a lot more readable than assembly anyway, so it's easy to port to whatever you're doing
[17:03] <Nizumzen> cool - I'm actually just reading the ARM developer manuals at the moment
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[18:10] <Bitweasil> Nizumzen, you might want to start with x86 - there are an awful lot of good tutorials for that, and you've got things like Bochs that are tolerably accurate simulations of an x86 chip you can play in - they're pretty good on the debugging front.
[18:10] <Bitweasil> You could likely find some of the stuff for arm in qemu, but I'm not sure I'd use a Pi as an OS dev board.
[18:11] <Bitweasil> There are an awful lot of undocumented or poorly documented corners in it.
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[18:13] <shiftplusone> Where's the fun in that
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[18:24] <Bitweasil> OS development is a good path to madness, regardless of the platform. There's just an awful lot more x86 tutorials out there on osdev and such.
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[18:48] <Nizumzen> Bitweasil: thanks for the tip - I also have the Intel developer manuals downloaded
[18:49] <Nizumzen> I just thought using a RISC system would be easier from an instruction set perspective as I am pretty new to assembly
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[18:55] <shiftplusone> maybe writing linux programs in assembly is a better way to get familiar with the instruction set? Easy to debug,
[18:56] <Bitweasil> Nizumzen, what's your actual goal? If you want to learn assembly, just program in assembly on whatever Linux or Windows platform you wnat.
[18:56] <Bitweasil> You can do assembly on a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian no problem.
[18:57] <Bitweasil> OS level programming is quite complex, and if you don't already have a solid grasp of it, writing your own is truly frustrating.
[18:57] <Bitweasil> You don't need to write an OS to learn assembly, though.
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[18:58] <Bitweasil> Most OS code is written in C, anyway. You use assembly to shim up from boot to whatever mode you want to run in (long mode, for x86, typically), then most people move to c, with either inline assembly for things that can't be expressed in C, or an external "utility" file in assembly consisting of basic intrinsics.
[18:58] <Bitweasil> (since the Microsoft compilers don't let you do inline assembly in 64-bit mode)
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[19:22] <pi0> is it possible to ssh via bluetooth on raspberry pi stretch lite
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[19:35] <larsks> pi0: sure, if you set up a network interface over bluetooth first. After that, it's just like ssh
[19:35] <larsks> 'ing anywhere else.
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[19:47] <pi0> ssh over usb is tricky with linux
[19:47] <pi0> right
[19:47] <pi0> on mac and windows it would be pi@raspberrypi.local
[19:47] <pi0> but not on linux
[19:48] <Rickta59> Nizumzen: I liked this https://azeria-labs.com/writing-arm-assembly-part-1/
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[19:52] <leftyfb> pi0: huh?
[19:53] <shiftplusone> pi0, there is no ssh over USB. neitehr mac nor windows do anything like that.
[19:53] <shiftplusone> *neither
[19:54] <shiftplusone> ssh happens over the network
[19:54] <shiftplusone> You can make a pi0 act as a network device, which may be what you're asking about?
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[19:57] <pi0> shiftplusone: yep
[19:58] <pi0> all the tutorials i have found over the next say "ssh over usb"
[19:58] <shiftplusone> https://gist.github.com/gbaman/50b6cca61dd1c3f88f41
[19:59] <mlelstv> .oO( gadget gadget )
[19:59] <shiftplusone> if you see a tutorial that can't get its terminology right then it's likely to have other mistakes too
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[20:00] <pi0> shiftplusone: have you found anything similar with bluetooth
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[20:02] <tommy``> guys i've 128GB raspbian .img, how can i mount it and extract some files on windows 10?
[20:02] <shiftplusone> pi0, I've never tried setting that up, so I can't vouch for any tutorial for that. bluetooth is a bit of a tricky thing
[20:03] <pi0> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/headless-raspberry-pi-configuration-over-bluetooth/
[20:03] <pi0> found this, does that look like possible?
[20:04] <shiftplusone> tommy``, I am not 100% sure but I think diskinternals linux reader can do it
[20:04] <shiftplusone> pi0, sorry, no idea.
[20:05] <tristero> network-manager can handle IP over Bluetooth (BT PAN) very nicely -- I use nmcli to do tether a Pi to my phone's BT hotspot. Then you can ssh over that interface (bnep0 typically)
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[20:06] <shiftplusone> tristero, tethering to something that supports being tethered to is easy. The question is can you make the zero do the same thing as your phone does.
[20:07] <pi0> tristero is there a github script
[20:10] <pi0> oh
[20:10] <pi0> here is another question
[20:10] <pi0> headless wifi setup
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[20:12] <shiftplusone> dropa tested wpa_supplicant.conf onto the boot partition and it will be picked up
[20:14] <pi0> nice i will do that
[20:14] <pi0> on sec
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[20:15] <MOUD> Hey all.
[20:15] <pi0> lol now i have to guess the ip
[20:16] <shiftplusone> no guessing required, if you have avahi installed, then raspberrypi.local will work
[20:16] <shiftplusone> Or check your router for connected devices. If all fails, there's nmap.
[20:16] <pi0> nice!
[20:16] <shiftplusone> MOUD, hey
[20:17] <Klaus_Dieter> in this situation I check the log of my dhcp server
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[20:20] <pi0> works perfectly
[20:21] <shiftplusone> nice
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[20:26] <theo_moore> E: Unable to locate package pip
[20:26] <theo_moore> Why?
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[20:28] <shiftplusone> python{2,3}-pip ?
[20:31] <pi0> shiftplusone: this is a nice setup, over wifi
[20:32] <pi0> but now i need to figure it out via usb
[20:32] <shiftplusone> gbaman's tutorial is what I use
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[22:06] <pi0> shoot i can't get ttl usb to work
[22:06] <pi0> :/
[22:06] <pi0> for pi 3b+ is there a special setting?
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[22:10] <DanielTheFox> 3.3V/0V voltage
[22:10] <DanielTheFox> not +/- 12V
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[22:10] <DanielTheFox> nor 5V/0V
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[22:26] <pi0> ?
[22:27] <pi0> DanielTheFox: is that to use ttl usb
[22:27] <DanielTheFox> that's Pi's voltages
[22:28] <DanielTheFox> hopefully your TTL-USB converter is doing 3.3V too
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[22:35] <caoliver> Someone might need to look at a MAX232
[22:37] <pi0> DanielTheFox: so i need to still power it by usb
[22:38] <DanielTheFox> yes
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[22:56] <pi0> hmm
[22:56] <pi0> 3.3 is not enough to power up the pi?
[22:56] <pi0> or is enough
[22:56] <Habbie> pretty sure the pi expects to be powered at 5
[22:57] <DanielTheFox> yes
[22:57] <DanielTheFox> but I mean
[22:57] <DanielTheFox> the Pi's UART
[22:57] <DanielTheFox> if you're attempting to talk to it through its UART
[22:57] <pi0> correct
[22:57] <pi0> i did this config.txt enable_uart=1
[22:58] <pi0> on linux
[22:58] <pi0> using screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
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[23:00] <pi0> when i do that last command all i see is a blinking cursor
[23:01] <HighInBC> you sure anything is being sent?
[23:02] <pi0> i did a swap or rx tx
[23:02] <pi0> to see if i get something
[23:02] <pi0> finally!
[23:02] <pi0> thank goodness
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[23:06] <Bitweasil> What was the issue?
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[23:07] <ShorTie> r's -n- t's
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[23:08] <DanielTheFox> reversed Tx/Rx pins
[23:08] <SimonNL> pointing inwards ?
[23:08] <ShorTie> ah, some label stuff funkyly
[23:11] <pi0> reversed the rx and tx
[23:11] <pi0> and make sure they were not loose
[23:11] <pi0> and bam! it worked
[23:11] <pi0> now when i try to install a package it restarts lol
[23:11] <pi0> man o man
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[23:19] <aZz7eCh> i am really at a completely loss here guys.... No buttons can be plugged into a pi's gpios ?
[23:19] <aZz7eCh> unless the circuit is less than 30 cm or something ?
[23:20] <aZz7eCh> have now gone through about 12 different types of wire trying to find ANYTHING tthat doesnt act as a flat out ariel triggering s*** left right and centre
[23:20] <aZz7eCh> onto my 5th day and 4th rpi in... in fact .. hell.. i have 70 in the field, they all do the same thing
[23:20] <aZz7eCh> aboslutely anything plugged into a gpio is all over the place... pull ups do nothing ext or int ..
[23:21] <aZz7eCh> been at this 5 straight days now ... what the HELLL am i not understanding ??!?!?!?!?
[23:21] <d0rm0us3> back to zero
[23:22] <d0rm0us3> define objective in clear concise manner.
[23:23] <d0rm0us3> I certainly hope you've just been working with breakout board
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[23:32] <artok> if you connect pullup resistor to gpio input and then there is switch connected to same gpio pin and to ground
[23:32] <artok> has worked for me
[23:33] <aZz7eCh> so... this seem like UTTER MADNESS to me ... but this morning I am going to go and buy a 12V DC Power supply. Run 12V to my buttons, Buttons to an OLD SCHOOL RELAY, and hav ehte RELAY conrol the RPI gpio button .... just, NUTS
[23:34] <aZz7eCh> how long were your leads to yoru buttons artok? obviously not more than 10-20 cm
[23:35] <artok> 40cm max
[23:35] <aZz7eCh> i have to run 2 feet to buttons.
[23:35] <aZz7eCh> FAIL.
[23:36] <aZz7eCh> carrying 3v3 to 10k res to pull up the gpio's
[23:36] <aZz7eCh> makes no diff
[23:36] <aZz7eCh> still floating triggering all over the show
[23:36] <aZz7eCh> unplug the wire, stops instantly
[23:36] <artok> what is the cable?
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[23:36] <aZz7eCh> have cut up EVERY lenght of cable in the hous as i was syaing yesterday
[23:36] <artok> how many square mm ?
[23:37] <aZz7eCh> how many sqauare mm !?!?
[23:37] <aZz7eCh> srsly. i have treid twisted pair network cable, telephone cords, EXTENSION cords, everything
[23:37] <Habbie> have you tried weaker resistors, i.e. stronger pullups? because of the distance?
[23:37] <aZz7eCh> i have cut up every single cable i can get my hands on
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[23:37] <aZz7eCh> what like 1k in stead of 10 ?
[23:38] <Habbie> i was guessing 5k but i'm no expert
[23:38] <artok> yeah yeah, so network cable, I wasn't reading your cable stuff yesterday =)
[23:39] <aZz7eCh> well, i was tempted to run the 3.3 stragith into the gpio without ANY resistor
[23:39] <aZz7eCh> okay i'll try that this morning real quick
[23:39] <pi0> how do i setup a wifi connect eap no cer
[23:39] <pi0> t
[23:40] <pi0> wpa_supplicant.conf is a little tricky
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[23:45] <leftyfb> pi0: did you try just configuring an ssid and psk?
[23:47] <pi0> so far just network={ ssid="name" psk="pass"
[23:47] <pi0> but how do i specifiy no cert
[23:47] <leftyfb> don't
[23:47] <leftyfb> just try it
[23:48] <pi0> let me change routers
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[23:52] <pi0> shoot next class about to start, leftyfb i will log back in from class
[23:52] <pi0> be right back
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[23:53] <magic_ninja> hey, what is the Pi's serial output voltage
[23:53] <artok> pi has 3v3
[23:53] <magic_ninja> well fuck
[23:53] <magic_ninja> *crap
[23:53] <artok> did you burn it with 5v stuff already?
[23:53] <magic_ninja> I don't have a 3v serial
[23:54] <magic_ninja> na, I check
[23:54] <magic_ninja> I loaned out my arduino too

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