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IRC Log for 2019-03-06

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[0:00] <norwood67> was there a new kernel?
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[0:08] <shiftplusone> norwood67, do you have the exact output?
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[0:08] <norwood67> i do, where should i post it
[0:09] <shiftplusone> any site like pastebin
[0:09] <norwood67> https://pastebin.com/HRJAqdBD
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[0:10] <shiftplusone> I don't see anything being held back there
[0:11] <norwood67> https://pastebin.com/nBF5RHqb
[0:11] <norwood67> this has the message, sorry about that
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[0:13] <shiftplusone> could you also paste the output of 'apt policy' ?
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[0:14] <norwood67> https://pastebin.com/qEVXpxAu
[0:14] <shiftplusone> You have some third party repos there which can cause issues
[0:15] <shiftplusone> If a repo was not meant to be used with Raspbian, it's not always safe to do so - https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian
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[0:16] <norwood67> yeah, its just that raspbian is way behind on some releases
[0:17] <shiftplusone> Normally what that message means is that a newer version is available, but installing it will remove something else. Going ahead with the upgrade (using dist-upgrade) may result in a broken system.
[0:17] <norwood67> i'll try removing those repo and see if the message goes away
[0:17] <shiftplusone> presumably, there's a newer version of mariadb in one of the repos you added, but it's not meant for raspbian stretch
[0:17] <shiftplusone> or maybe it is, but it conflicts with other packages you have, so it needs to remove those.
[0:18] <norwood67> oh, i wonder if that is mosquitto, i saw something with that
[0:18] <norwood67> i think
[0:18] <norwood67> sighs
[0:18] <shiftplusone> you can run 'apt dist-upgrade' without accepting what it recommends (say no when it asks) to see what would be removed
[0:18] <norwood67> i think -s does the same thing?
[0:20] <shiftplusone> when using, apt-get, yes I think so.
[0:20] <norwood67> looks like libconfig-inifiles-perl is the new package, i'll have to see if that use by another package
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[0:26] <norwood67> thanks Reedy shiftplusone
[0:26] <norwood67> i'm going to poke around some more
[0:28] <shiftplusone> Good luck
[0:29] <shiftplusone> keep in mind that Buster is probably a few months away from release, so it may not be worth poking around now.
[0:31] <norwood67> ok, upgrade done, the most important things are still working and nothing appears to have been removed
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[0:33] <norwood67> maybe much ado about nothing. thanks again shiftplusone
[0:34] <norwood67> maybe i'll learn something is broken in the morning when the furnace hasn't come on
[0:36] <shiftplusone> In my experience, you'll find out months from now once you've forgotten all about it and will spend weeks trying to figure out why something isn't working.
[0:36] <norwood67> wouldn't be the first time for me
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[1:29] <rud0lf> wow
[1:29] <rud0lf> "Chat. Anywhere." - with irssi i can only chat in home and park.. what sort of witchcraft quassel is?
[1:32] <JakeSays> hey aonyone know of instructions for manually configuring the touch screen on the official display? no X is involved (and isn't installed)
[1:36] <_unreal_> rud0lf, you can chat in multi rooms with IRSSI
[1:36] <_unreal_> just key combos to switch rooms
[1:39] <rud0lf> i was being sarcastic
[1:39] <rud0lf> :)
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[1:48] <Lartza> rud0lf, It's the same witchcraft ZNC is
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[1:55] <JakeSays> znc rocks
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[1:59] <friendofafriend> Yeah, I don't understand why ZNC and not irssi and screen or whatever.
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[2:00] <Lartza> Why irssi and screen what?
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[2:02] <IT_Sean> irssi in a screen sesh is where it's att
[2:02] <IT_Sean> *at
[2:02] <friendofafriend> Lartza: Are you a ZNC user?
[2:02] <Lartza> Yes
[2:02] <friendofafriend> Figures, nice web interface.
[2:03] <Lartza> Did the job the one time I used it
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[3:01] <puff> Hi, I'm looking at installing java on this raspberry pi 3 B. https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/embedded-se/downloads/index.html
[3:01] <puff> I'm trying to figure out which download I need.
[3:01] <puff> ARMv5/ARMv6/ARMv7 Linux - SoftFP ABI, Little Endian 2, or ARM v6/v7 Linux - VFP, HardFP ABI, Little Endian 1
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[3:09] <friendofafriend> puff: SoftFP.
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[3:11] <friendofafriend> But you can check with "ls -l /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf". If it's there, you can use HardFP.
[3:11] <friendofafriend> And if you only have /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi", SoftFP it is.
[3:12] <friendofafriend> You can also do a dpkg --print-architecture on Debian based distros.
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[4:26] <puff> friendofafriend: Thanks.
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[4:27] <friendofafriend> Always welcome, puff.
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[4:34] <_unreal_> why is it so much fun to scare the living crap out of a child
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[11:09] <aZz7eCh> Guys, any of you 3mm'd your mount holes with any unexpected casualty ?
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[11:13] <BurtyB> I did it on a Pi Zero many moons ago without issue
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[11:17] <Cobalt> Hello. Has anyone else experienced this? With HDMI plugged into a TV, when switching on the TV on any channel, the Pi forces the TV to switch to the Pi's HDMI, irrespective of what channel was last being used or what input was last being used, and whether that input still has a valid signal.
[11:18] <Cobalt> Also, is there a way of preventing the Pi from hijacking the TV?
[11:18] <Habbie> Cobalt, what are you running on the pi?
[11:18] <Cobalt> Retropie flavour of Raspbian.
[11:18] <Habbie> because i know kodi can do this; i'm not used to raspbian doing it
[11:19] <Habbie> i don't know about retropie - i'd check there first
[11:19] <Cobalt> I thought it was lower-level than the OS. Hmm. EmulationStation uses the framebuffer.
[11:19] <Cobalt> Okay I'll ask, thanks.
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[11:19] <Habbie> 'hdmi cec' is the magic
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[11:19] <Habbie> which raspbian does not do by default
[11:20] <Habbie> this may also be a useful search term to figure out how to make your tv ignore it
[11:20] <Habbie> you should check if 'cec-utils' is installed
[11:21] <Habbie> or maybe the last post here https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=191861
[11:21] <Habbie> good luck :)
[11:21] <Cobalt> Okay.
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[11:21] <Cobalt> Thanks, that'll get me started.
[11:21] <Habbie> that's what i hoped
[11:21] <Cobalt> Hadn't been too sure what to search for. :D
[11:25] <Cobalt> Thanks again.
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[14:02] <Jck_true> Second RPi with there bluetooth and WiFi hardware doesn't show up at all... Tried 3 differnt distributions, NOOBS, Raspbian and Lakka. 3 differnt power supplies... So I should have excluded power and software
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[14:07] <ShorTie> what is a good time server ??
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[14:14] <r3> ShorTie: I suggest using the NTP pool: https://www.ntppool.org/en/use.html
[14:15] <r3> depending upon where you are, if you can't use the pool, here's a resource broken down into area: https://www.ntppool.org/zone/@
[14:17] <ShorTie> Thankz .. :)~
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[14:21] <bingbotboom> never had great luck with rpi and bluetooth
[14:22] <bingbotboom> or arm and bluetooth in general outside of android
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[14:28] <Jck_true> Think you can generalize and say "bluetooth and linux" under the assumption that android is hardly linux anymore....
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[14:35] <muke> Hey, I'm trying to built a custom kernel for my 3b+, but the system seems unable to boot with the new kernel installed. There are no error messages I can see at boot time until it hangs at a certain point and then two minutes later prints 'task init:1 blocked for more than 120 seconds'
[14:35] <muke> Any idea on how I can begin troubleshooting my kernel to fix this?
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[15:57] <ShorTie> does anyone use snort ??
[15:57] * BurtyB has in the past but not recently
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[16:01] <ShorTie> twas that by cli BurtyB, or some gui firewall ??
[16:01] <BurtyB> ShorTie, cli
[16:01] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
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[16:33] <aZz7eCh> https://snag.gy/FSRyvq.jpg https://snag.gy/bT1wuF.jpg
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[16:33] <aZz7eCh> guys i have these nifty RCDs
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[16:34] <aZz7eCh> from the diagram on the side... should i be feeding the live and neutral from either side in particular? it seems if i wire it from either direction, it has the same result. (by pressing the test button at least)
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[16:40] <ShorTie> just a gfic breaker, power goes in bottom
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[16:40] <aZz7eCh> ty
[16:40] <aZz7eCh> its the way i have them run... but was hoping i could switch it with box redesign
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[16:41] <ShorTie> most likely no good for human protection though
[16:42] <ShorTie> 30ma is a killer i do believe
[16:42] <aZz7eCh> we have 10a fuse
[16:42] <aZz7eCh> in line with it
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[16:42] <aZz7eCh> but thats just to protect the equip really. eveyrthing else is grounded well
[16:43] <ShorTie> fuses never hurt, can actually save things if low enough
[16:43] <aZz7eCh> but i'm all ears to any better RCD din rail option
[16:43] <aZz7eCh> price of these was unpasssable to be honest ;)
[16:44] <ShorTie> i stuck inline glass fuses into the light lines to save the dimmer
[16:44] <aZz7eCh> inline glass fuses and 240v ... hmm.
[16:45] <ShorTie> 10ga wire for a 1amp fuse, lol.
[16:45] <ShorTie> But they where the cheapest one's, hehe.
[16:46] <ShorTie> good old supply and demand .. :)~
[16:46] <aZz7eCh> well. this breaker is better than nothing. i done my bit.
[16:46] <aZz7eCh> dont distract me.
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[16:47] <aZz7eCh> with safety talk
[16:47] <ShorTie> they use the 10ga for car speakers i do believe, thus making supply better
[16:47] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[16:47] <aZz7eCh> :P
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[16:55] <theteju> hey guys.. I need help.... trying to setup raspberry pi as bluetooth audio receiver... I am very close to being successful... at this point upon every reboot my bluetooth controller is powered on, modules loaded, pairable, discoverable and my phone is a trusted device.
[16:56] <theteju> I can establish successful bluetooth connection from Rspbpi -----> Phone and audio is played
[16:56] <aZz7eCh> SUCCESS!
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[16:56] <theteju> the only problem is, my phone is not able to connect. meaning, I can not establish connection from Phone ----> pi
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[17:02] <haritz> hello
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[17:04] <theteju> any help ...
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[17:09] <aZz7eCh> Please Wait...
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[17:37] <theteju> aZz7eCh : Ok
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[18:00] <lastaid> hello there. i am trying to optimize boot times of the pi for an embedded project. i constantly see dev-mmcblk0p2.device at the top on systemd-analize blame
[18:01] <lastaid> is it just the mounting of the fs?
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[18:04] <Rickta59> an msp430 embedded project lastaid ?
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[18:06] <lastaid> hello there
[18:06] <lastaid> an raspberry pi project
[18:06] <lastaid> love the msp430 though :D
[18:07] <Rickta59> so you want to know why it takes long to bootup the pi?
[18:07] <lastaid> its just a pi with a display, hopefully including a framebuffer ui
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> lastaid, I know nothing about systemd, but that device is the main partition all the data is on, so it's probably read/writes from/to the SD card.
[18:07] <lastaid> well
[18:07] <lastaid> i got the entire boot down to ...
[18:08] <lastaid> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ systemd-analyze Startup finished in 1.356s (kernel) + 2.543s (userspace) = 3.899s
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> 4 seconds isn't too bad.
[18:08] <lastaid> o know
[18:08] <lastaid> i
[18:08] <lastaid> but i want the magic of a device you just turn on
[18:08] <lastaid> my scope takes a minute to boot
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> arduino. ready in 1mS.
[18:09] * stiv suspects that if boot time is an issue, you don't want a multi-processing OS
[18:09] <lastaid> the function gen as well
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> 8-bit micro - apple/bbc - ready in under 1 second.
[18:09] <Rickta59> so how much of the 3.9s is the disk?
[18:09] <lastaid> gordonDrogon: i might actually need some heft for the application
[18:09] <lastaid> 1.6
[18:09] <Rickta59> how big is your sd card?
[18:09] <DanielTheFox> you might as well write your own OS
[18:09] <DanielTheFox> :>
[18:10] <Rickta59> 4.120s dev-sda2.device
[18:10] <Rickta59> my hard disk takes that long at startup
[18:10] <lastaid> its 16gb
[18:10] <Rickta59> are you doing and fsck at startup?
[18:11] <mlelstv> write software that fits in 64k and it boots equally fast
[18:11] <Rickta59> what is your goal for a startup time?
[18:11] <Rickta59> * mine is like 10s
[18:12] <Rickta59> *rpi 2 btw
[18:12] <DanielTheFox> perhaps like Apple II, C64, TRS-80?
[18:12] <DanielTheFox> less than three seconds
[18:12] <lastaid> i think 4s is ok. i will gain 1.4 from removing networking, which i can do once the application runs
[18:12] <DanielTheFox> not fully functional, but really nice
[18:13] <Rickta59> ok .. so optimizing the sd card doesn't seem like it is going to gain you much
[18:13] <mlelstv> load a memory dump. 20MB from SD card takes a second.
[18:13] <Rickta59> you might try making a smaller partition .. might take less time ? * all guessing
[18:13] <lastaid> for some reason it does not show up in the critical chain
[18:13] <lastaid> Rickta59: i will try
[18:14] <lastaid> systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service << do i really need this?
[18:14] <Rickta59> can you use an msp430 to somehow suspend and resume?
[18:14] <lastaid> hehe
[18:14] <lastaid> no, it will be battery powered
[18:14] <DanielTheFox> not all SD cards read at 20 MB/s tho
[18:14] <Rickta59> the msp430 would take nothing
[18:14] <Rickta59> < 1mA
[18:14] <Rickta59> when it is running
[18:14] <mlelstv> yes, but it's no problem to get one.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> it's intersting the time modern systems take to startup - large SD cards themselves can take up to 500mS to be ready, weirdly enough.
[18:15] <lastaid> you think waking up from suspension would be faster then 3s booting?
[18:15] <DanielTheFox> mine does 15 MB/s on the Pi, and ~40 MB/s on a modern computer, 20 MB/s on my netbook
[18:15] <lastaid> also with all the fsck disabled, i should not write to this SD card
[18:15] <Rickta59> i have no idea i'm throwing out ideas around things you have
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> investigate a read-only system?
[18:15] <DanielTheFox> my old desktop computer takes less than 3 seconds to wake from S3 suspend
[18:16] <lastaid> the older version already uses one.
[18:16] <lastaid> the RO mode i mean
[18:16] <Rickta59> is this a rpi zero?
[18:17] <lastaid> nope
[18:17] <lastaid> raspberry pi 3 with official display
[18:17] <Rickta59> from a battery?
[18:17] <lastaid> and a u1 sd card, won't dare to overclock just yet
[18:17] <Rickta59> must look like a fridge :)
[18:17] <lastaid> yes
[18:18] <lastaid> big 20A lithium
[18:19] <lastaid> its mounted in one of those explorer cases, so it is quite big
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[18:24] <lastaid> Rickta59: my precious record was 730ms until kernel panic ^^
[18:25] <Rickta59> 4 seconds would be perfectly acceptable to me .. even 10
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[18:27] <lastaid> Rickta59: for myself, 10 would be ok. but i just hate the fact that modern devices take so long to boot.
[18:28] <Rickta59> have you looked into using baremetal code?
[18:28] <Rickta59> you don't need to use linux
[18:28] <DanielTheFox> that's what I suggested
[18:28] <DanielTheFox> you might as well write your own OS
[18:28] <lastaid> i think i really fancy the display driver, ability to mount usb sticks
[18:29] <Rickta59> well everything comes with a time cost .. of course you could make those work
[18:29] <lastaid> the linux kernel is really great, it gives me all those functionalities
[18:30] <lastaid> i do proper embedded aswell, no msp430 yet but old renesas/mitsubishi stuff
[18:32] <Rickta59> https://github.com/LdB-ECM/Raspberry-Pi seems to have some opengl + usb
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[18:44] <lastaid> well i am at 3.185s now
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[18:49] <DanielTheFox> 3.1416
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[18:56] <lastaid> DanielTheFox: :D it is very unlikely that i will match that exactly
[18:56] <DanielTheFox> you never know... :)
[18:56] <Rickta59> so what is your device going to do lastaid ?
[18:57] <lastaid> Rickta59: it is a signal generator
[18:57] <lastaid> little board on it, two DACs and thats it
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[18:58] <lastaid> two cores are isolated and feed the DACs with samples
[18:58] <Rickta59> what is that board using for an mcu?
[18:58] <lastaid> no mcu
[18:58] <Rickta59> just external dacs?
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[18:58] <lastaid> jepp. ok and some op amps etc but bascially two dacs
[18:59] <Rickta59> how well does that work out, isolating the cores? no glitches?
[18:59] <lastaid> some interrupts will completely ignore core isolation, but its actually ok
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[19:00] <Rickta59> seems like you could be happy with some other kind of boards ...
[19:00] <lastaid> i have a zynq lying around if i get into trouble
[19:00] <Rickta59> or that :)
[19:00] <Bitweasil> "Eh, that's probably OK..." seems to have been the design philosophy of the Pi and associated drivers. :/
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[19:01] <lastaid> it is
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[19:01] <lastaid> serial is broken on high speeds and constant throughput ( 921600 )
[19:01] <Rickta59> so what is the max frequency on those?
[19:01] <lastaid> which ones?
[19:01] <Rickta59> the combo of dedicated cores and the dacs
[19:02] <lastaid> oh
[19:02] <Rickta59> are you doing RF stuff with them?
[19:02] <lastaid> nooooo!
[19:02] <Bitweasil> Ew. I'd assumed audio.
[19:02] <JakeSays> hey is anyone aware of a device/board/converter/etc that allows one to use the screen from a smartphone (doesnt matter which one) as an hdmi monitor?
[19:03] <lastaid> I am not doing audio. i tried doing the signal generator with one of the audio dacs, but the rise time is to slow
[19:03] <lastaid> and i am around 100ksps on two channels
[19:03] <Bitweasil> Ok.
[19:04] <lastaid> and only need around 12800ksps minimum
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[19:07] <jancoow> hey
[19:07] <jancoow> which modes are available in "gadget modes" ?
[19:07] <jancoow> and can I have more then one active?
[19:07] <theteju> can someone help with bluetooth pairing issue?
[19:09] <theteju> I can establish successful bluetooth connection from Rspbpi -----> Phone ... BUT... trying to connect from Phone ----> Rspbpi.. It does nothing.
[19:11] <jancoow> I want to have both audio and serial :)
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[19:12] <JakeSays> theteju: you need to have an app on the pi running and exposing bluetooth services for the phone to be able to pair to it.
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[19:16] <stiv> what if you ran a phone simulator on the pi and a pi simulator on the phone?
[19:16] * stiv ducks
[19:17] * DanielTheFox eats a duck
[19:17] <stiv> mmm, duck
[19:18] <stiv> although anything descended from velociraptors is pretty tasty
[19:18] <DanielTheFox> note that velociraptors aren't the scary ones in jurassic park (despite the name)
[19:18] <DanielTheFox> hollywood is never accurate
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[19:26] <DanielTheFox> not related to RPi, but who happens to own an old pre-Android cellphone? (it has to have video recording capabilities and its screen has to be 320x240 or larger)
[19:27] <DanielTheFox> if you know if it can, it should be able to read .mp4 files
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[19:27] <Rickta59> i doubt my samsung flip phone from 2001 does mp4
[19:27] <Rickta59> or even my motorola flip
[19:28] <DanielTheFox> there were some low-cost and mid-cost phones
[19:28] <DanielTheFox> with video rec capabilities
[19:28] <DanielTheFox> made between 2009 and 2013
[19:28] <DanielTheFox> (or so)
[19:28] <DanielTheFox> pretty much right before Android, or before Android became popular
[19:30] <theteju> JakeSays : I am on minimal pi image. what app can I install to do so?
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[19:37] <JakeSays> theteju: an app that does something. i write apps that provide custom bt services for various projects.
[19:37] <JakeSays> there are bt profiles - headsets, phones, etc.
[19:38] <JakeSays> there's probably software available that will expose networking services, etc. over bt
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[19:43] <theteju> JakeSays : thank you for your answer. I am more confused not. an App on my phone or an app on my raspberry pi?
[19:44] <JakeSays> theteju: you need something on each end to talk to each other. what are you trying to accomplish?
[19:44] <theteju> trying to make raspberry pi act as bluetooth audio receiver.
[19:45] <theteju> and it is working. but only when I initiate connection from pi.. using bluetoothctl connect DEvice MAC
[19:45] <theteju> it connects successfully and plays audio as intened
[19:45] <JakeSays> ah ok.
[19:46] <JakeSays> so you're basically doing a smart speaker sort of thing
[19:46] <theteju> I am just unable to connect when I try to connect from my Phone ----( or any other device ) pi rejects
[19:46] <theteju> yes
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[19:46] <JakeSays> so you connect pi to phone, and the play audio from phone to pi?
[19:46] <JakeSays> that's working?
[19:47] <theteju> yes
[19:47] <theteju> it is working ,, no loss of connection
[19:47] <JakeSays> so you're paired?
[19:47] <theteju> yes.. I am paired, and trusted
[19:48] <JakeSays> but you can't initiate the pairing from the phone?
[19:49] <theteju> that is correct
[19:49] <theteju> also,, take a look. https://pastebin.com/4ja5eVYc my controller is discoverable, pairable and with proper device class
[19:49] <theteju> and this is presistant upon every reboot
[19:51] <JakeSays> theteju: hmm. i'm not sure. looks like it should work
[19:51] <JakeSays> bt can be picky though.
[19:51] <theteju> may be it could be android issue.. i will try from an apple device
[19:51] <JakeSays> i've only used bt with custom profiles
[19:51] <theteju> also, my bluez version is not latest
[19:52] <theteju> does that matter
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[19:52] <JakeSays> it does because i have control of both ends in my software
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[19:53] <theteju> bluez version is 5.43
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[19:53] <theteju> JakeSays : I have followed so many threads ,, by now and put so many scrips,, that I lost track
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[19:54] <theteju> upgrading bluez package from sourse,, will break things I guess
[19:54] <JakeSays> theteju: yeah it can be a real pain in the ass.
[19:54] <theteju> Also,, I am not guessing that I install minimal rasbian image,, without graphical interphase.. may be that is an issue
[19:55] <JakeSays> it's not a requirement
[19:55] <theteju> ok
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[19:55] <JakeSays> although there may be better configuration tools from the desktop
[19:56] <theteju> one last question
[19:56] <theteju> i understand I have to manually trust device,, on bluetoothctl,, and pair... as I attempt to pair my tablet,,, it is asking to match the pin
[19:57] <theteju> how to enter such pin on bluetoothctl command window
[19:57] <JakeSays> i'm not sure. i dont use that tool
[19:57] <theteju> ok. no problem.
[19:58] <theteju> JakeSays : thanks for all answers
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[20:32] <k_j> hi
[20:33] <k_j> does the 3b+ have an improved network latency and stability compared to the other 3 models?
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> no idea, but instability?
[20:35] <shiftplusone> How do you measure that, k_j?
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[20:36] <k_j> shiftplusone, with benchmark tools
[20:36] <shiftplusone> ....thanks. Home time.
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[20:37] <k_j> e,g, no variance
[20:37] <DanielTheFox> the 3B+ has "gigabit" ethernet (internally, it's gigabit, but data transfer is capped to that of USB2 bus, 30 MB/s or so), but I didn't know network cards could be "unstable"
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> iperf - but as it's a Gb interface, the latency should be less simply due to it being able to clock a byte out 10x faster than other Pi's with 100Mb Ethernet.
[20:38] <DanielTheFox> perhaps as in losing data, but I'd blame the wire instead
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> but in my 7 years of Pi use I've never experienced any instability that wasn't down to me using cheap/crap wi-Fi dongles. wired ethernet has always been fine.
[20:39] <DanielTheFox> and latency should be lower in situations where you would clog a 100 Mbps interface, otherwise, it should be nearly identical
[20:39] <k_j> I meant to say variance around the expected mean
[20:39] <k_j> in ideal conditions
[20:39] <Rickta59> so you and one other machine on a network?
[20:39] <k_j> yes
[20:40] <Rickta59> what is on the network?
[20:40] <k_j> in a LAN, 2 hots
[20:40] <Rickta59> traffic wize
[20:40] <k_j> hosts
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> using gigabit switch?
[20:40] <k_j> yes
[20:40] <DanielTheFox> I haven't been able to get one, over 5 times more expensive than same-amount-of-ports 100 Mbps switch
[20:40] <k_j> 5 times??
[20:41] <Rickta59> ideal would be you and a machine with a single wire connecting the two
[20:41] <DanielTheFox> might as well connect two gigabit computers directly (no switch in between) and get the desired speed
[20:41] <k_j> Rickta59, let's assume there is a switch as well
[20:41] <Rickta59> which kind of network switch?
[20:41] <Rickta59> :) .. lot of variables no?
[20:42] <DanielTheFox> and in those "ideal" conditions, data transfer between my netbook and my desktop computer (neither manufactured past 2010) was 60 MB/s (not full gigabit), the bottleneck was most likely netbook's SATA1 HDD
[20:42] <Rickta59> apachebench is a good way to saturate a network
[20:43] <DanielTheFox> in my experience, no single port in a 100 Mbps can exceed 100 Mbps, but four computers talking two with two, each pair saturating the link will go at the proper 100 Mbps per pair
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> instead of being only 100 Mbps across the full 8-port switch
[20:44] <k_j> i blame the pi 3a (i dont have a 3b yet) not being able to keep up the same speed for a reasonable amount of time (say some minutes) there is always some sort of variance starting at some point in a continuous stream which does not apparently depend on the switch or any other kinf of interference
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> k_j, in my case, what you describe, it was the microSD card
[20:44] <k_j> DanielTheFox, do they share the same bus?
[20:44] <DanielTheFox> R/W speed appears to be 5 or 6 MB/s
[20:45] <DanielTheFox> nope
[20:45] <DanielTheFox> it was the poor slow microSD card
[20:45] <k_j> DanielTheFox, do you mean you were recording the stream?
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[20:46] <pwillard> I quite pleased with using one of my Pi's as a SSH tunnel when I'm not at home. that device also has mapped/mounted network drives that I use to move files around with as well as providing access to my private github solution. I'm not calling the network slow in any of those cases... but then I don't have unrealistic expectations about it either.
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> k_j, well, I was doing plain file transfer between the Pi and a (known faster) desktop computer
[20:47] <Rickta59> where does the wired lan show up on rpi 3a?
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> bmon
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> oh, interface name'
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> ?
[20:47] <DanielTheFox> it should be eth0
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[20:48] <Rickta59> i don't see an ethernet jack
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> oh, well, true
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[20:48] <DanielTheFox> I just read 3
[20:48] <Rickta59> do you have a usb network card k_j ?
[20:48] <DanielTheFox> k_j, RPi 3 or 3A+?
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> the 3A+ has no network interface
[20:49] <DanielTheFox> and the older model behind the 3B+ is just called 3B
[20:50] <DanielTheFox> the 3B+ has gigabit ethernet, the 3B is only 100 Mbps, the 3A+ has no built-in wired interface (you need to find a USB one)
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[21:03] <k_j> Rickta59, no
[21:04] <k_j> DanielTheFox, probably a 3A
[21:04] <k_j> let me check
[21:04] <jancoow> hey guys; Maybe you guys could help me further. I've a raspberry pi 3 and want to use bluetooth. However, I can't seem to enable it
[21:04] <DanielTheFox> to my knowledge, there is no 3A
[21:04] <k_j> sorry this is a 3b rev 2
[21:04] <DanielTheFox> :>
[21:04] <jancoow> bluetoothctl
[21:04] <jancoow> Waiting to connect to bluetoothd...
[21:04] <DanielTheFox> oh, I knew it
[21:04] <DanielTheFox> 3B
[21:04] <k_j> is it bad?
[21:04] <DanielTheFox> the 3B?
[21:04] <lopta> There's a 3A
[21:05] <lopta> Oh wait, 3A+?
[21:05] <DanielTheFox> isn't the 3A actually 3A+?
[21:05] <lopta> Probably, aye.
[21:05] <k_j> what's the state of the art? 3b+? is it correct?
[21:05] <Jck_true> jancoow: Have you done the location stuff in raspi-config?
[21:05] <lopta> k_j: 3A+ and 3B+
[21:05] <lopta> ...and perhaps Zero W.
[21:05] <jancoow> Jck_true: no ?
[21:05] <DanielTheFox> 3B is the model you have, 3B+ is the new model with gigabit, 3A+ is the even newer model with no ethernet interface and half the RAM, but less pricy
[21:06] <k_j> on the board I have Raspberry Pi 3 model B rev 2
[21:06] <lopta> DanielTheFox: ...and lower current consumption too, right?
[21:06] <DanielTheFox> probably, as there's no built-in USB hub
[21:06] <Jck_true> jancoow: I'm actually sitting with WiFi issues... And for WiFi to work I need to run the raspi-config tool before I can connect to a WiFi network
[21:06] <DanielTheFox> which, as tested here, consumes some power
[21:06] <jancoow> Jck_true: wifi is popping up fine
[21:07] <jancoow> Jck_true: also connected
[21:07] <DanielTheFox> k_j, then yes, it's a 3B
[21:07] <k_j> ok
[21:07] <DanielTheFox> IIRC, it's only 100 Mbps
[21:07] <Jck_true> Sorry then - Just my two cents - Since neither is working for me on any other distro than the raspbian release :)
[21:07] <DanielTheFox> its CPU is quad-core 1.2 GHz
[21:07] <DanielTheFox> 1 GB RAM
[21:07] <DanielTheFox> there's WiFi, 2.4GHz-only
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[21:09] <lopta> I would like a 3B+ and 3A+ at some point.
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[21:09] <DanielTheFox> as in lack of consistency with the network speed, it can be many things
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[21:10] <lopta> My friend ordered a 3B+ yesterday
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[21:11] <lopta> Lucky chap.
[21:11] <DanielTheFox> but I actually guess it's either too busy/hot CPU or that your video streaming doesn't fully use the 100 Mbps network anyway
[21:11] <jancoow> is it because I can't use bluetooth and wifi at the same time?
[21:11] <jancoow> internal
[21:11] <Rickta59> if you monitor the cpu is speed is it slowing down because it gets hot k_j ?
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[21:11] <DanielTheFox> to my knowledge, 100 Mbps is an insanely high bitrate for video, even for Full HD, I don't know for 4K video
[21:13] <k_j> Rickta59, temp is ok. there is no cpu intensive work
[21:13] <artok> 12Mbps for HFR video, if it's packed
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[21:15] <artok> for real good quality video, it's nowhere near
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[21:18] <artok> nowadays standards for video transmission use 3Gbps at least, but as we are talking about rpi and consumer stuff, yeah, 100Mbps should run some cat videos =)
[21:18] <DanielTheFox> heh
[21:18] <DanielTheFox> then I'm stuck in old times =)
[21:19] <friendofafriend> I've got some test streams that are up to 400Mbps.
[21:19] <DanielTheFox> (and old devices too)
[21:19] <DanielTheFox> but most FullHD movies I've seen are nowhere near to 100 Mbps, they're more often below 50 Mbps
[21:19] <friendofafriend> You can get 'em over here. http://jell.yfish.us/
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[21:41] <k_j> can you test some pings on a 3b+ with and without gigabit turned on?
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[21:51] <friendofafriend> k_j: Have you heard of ethtool?
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[21:51] * DanielTheFox pings friendofafriend and says hi
[21:52] <k_j> friendofafriend, no.. but i do not have a 3b+ so i cannot test myself yet...
[21:52] <friendofafriend> Howdy, DanielTheFox! Are things well?
[21:52] <k_j> i am curious
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[21:52] <DanielTheFox> k_j, other than the gigabit link, it should perform perfectly the same as the Pi 3B
[21:52] <DanielTheFox> friendofafriend, yes
[21:53] <friendofafriend> k_j: Pretty good run down here. https://www.pidramble.com/wiki/benchmarks/networking
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[21:54] <friendofafriend> If your project needs gigabit, look into another SBC, like the ODROID.
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[21:57] <jancoow> I need 10gbit
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[21:58] <DanielTheFox> well, definitely not your usecase
[21:58] <friendofafriend> A lot of RK3399 boards have PCIe.
[21:58] <jancoow> :P
[21:58] <friendofafriend> So you could use the RockPi4, RockPro, or something like that.
[21:59] <friendofafriend> That said, it's x4, so you'd be bottlenecked by that before the card.
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[22:08] <mlelstv> a good thing, otherwise he would be bottlenecked by the cpu
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[22:11] <friendofafriend> Computing is bottlenecks all the way down.
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[22:12] <RoyK> friendofafriend: yeah - it's all about balancing the bottlenecks :)
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[22:14] <friendofafriend> Yep. To be fair, the Pi is awfully late to gigabit. Got some Marvell SoCs (Pogoplugs) that did it many years ago.
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[22:16] <DanielTheFox> meanwhile, I keep my 4 years old 100 Mbps switch
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> all my computers talk together (in LAN) at as fast as 11.2 MB/s
[22:16] <DanielTheFox> :)
[22:18] <friendofafriend> I had similar problems with a slow network switch. Most of my communication was between a VM host and the NAS, so that got a dedicated interface and a crossover cable.
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[22:19] <DanielTheFox> the good thing about that slow interface is that my HDD is mostly idling
[22:19] <DanielTheFox> so I can still do stuff that doesn't require network
[22:19] <DanielTheFox> ;)
[22:19] <seek^126> .. i was updating one of my scripts print statements to use f strings.. got a syntax error and was confused for like 20min until i noticed the raspberry has python 3.5 on it...lol..
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[22:25] <seek^126> is there an easy way to update to 3.7 or do i have to compile it myself?
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[22:34] <bingbotboom> Marvell Guruplug had twin 1Gb ethernet five years ago as a devkit. It has been a slow walk but memory now 4Gb is welcome
[22:37] <bingbotboom> I just had to fork out coin for a new dual ETH0 plug. The RAM basically doubled to 1Gb and a few more cores. Its called family pi or some equally ridiculous name
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[23:02] <theteju> JakeSays : updating to bluez 5.50 solved the problem
[23:03] <lopta> I'm so tired.
[23:03] <theteju> seems that bluez package in the repository has bug.
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[23:04] <JakeSays> theteju: very cool!
[23:04] <JakeSays> in my opinion the bluetooth stack on linux is one of the poorest designed pieces i've come across.
[23:04] <JakeSays> *of software
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[23:11] <seek^126> i guess it would have been faster to spin up a docker container with python 3.7 than compiling it -.-
[23:12] <theteju> JakeSays : I wonder if the adapter would support multiple client to be connected!!
[23:12] <theteju> as it says,, under main.conf
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[23:14] <JakeSays> theteju: on the pi? it should
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[23:24] <lopta> What adaptor?
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[23:27] <the_cuckoo> i've been messing with something - i don't know if anyone will be interested, but i'll drop a link anyway - https://gitlab.com/lilo_booter/rpany-pi/blob/master/README.md - it's an attempt at a scripting tool which you can extend/embed to control the gpio pins on a raspi
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[23:28] <the_cuckoo> disclaimer: i haven't actually tested it yet :) - will do that over the w/e
[23:28] <lopta> the_cuckoo: Let us know once you've tested it. ;-)
[23:28] <the_cuckoo> :D
[23:29] <lopta> ...and how much smoke was released.
[23:29] <the_cuckoo> i've built it and ran the examples - it' didn't burn :)
[23:29] <the_cuckoo> i just didn't have anything connected at the time :D
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> it's interesting, but
[23:30] * the_cuckoo fears the but
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> oh, it's a Scottish thing. we're allowed to end a sentence with but.
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> however - what can that do that I can't do with the gpio command in a shell script ?
[23:31] <the_cuckoo> ah - glasgow? i'm from orkney - we end them with 'boy'
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> (although that might be faster and use less resources than a shell forking all the time)
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> no - central -> edinburgh.
[23:31] <the_cuckoo> indeed - no process forking
[23:31] <the_cuckoo> ah - ok
[23:31] <the_cuckoo> i bet you're posh
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> aye, right.
[23:31] <the_cuckoo> :p
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I have visited the orkneys and dived there.
[23:32] <the_cuckoo> and yeah, no forking - and you can extend it with your own natively compiled functions
[23:32] <the_cuckoo> really? :)
[23:32] <the_cuckoo> awesome :)
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> yes. the wrecks of scapa flow.
[23:32] <the_cuckoo> figured it would be :)
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I have relatives in stromness too.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> did motor out to the Sule Stack once upon a time.
[23:33] <the_cuckoo> i might know them...
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> it's a small place :)
[23:33] <the_cuckoo> indeed it is :)
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/scuba/Scapa.Mar.2000/images/kit+stromness.jpg
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> from the days before digital.
[23:37] <the_cuckoo> awesome - brings back memories
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> anyway, bed time for me.
[23:38] <the_cuckoo> not all of them pleasant now i come to think of it - we were forced to do nautical engineering classes at school which mostly involved rowing around in an unstable boat
[23:39] <the_cuckoo> it was always a case of "do i really trust my classmates?" each time i stepped on board
[23:39] <the_cuckoo> anyway - nite :)
[23:40] <lopta> I'm going to go home.
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