#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2019-06-26

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[2:08] * Topic is 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. | Logs: http://srv.datagutt1.com | Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz'
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[2:44] <stiv> last I looked, FORTRAN was still being used for numerical computing because you can optimize it better than c/c++
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[3:04] <hilts50> Im playing around with the neopixels and the rpi_ws281x python setup with my pi and Im trying to figure out how to turn off all the LEDs when I shutdown the pi. I’ve tried to set up an executible file in /lib/systemd/system-shutdown/ and I’ve also tried to add some code into a shutdown_button.py script I have set up that will shut the pi down. Im not having a ton of luck. Does anyone have any insights into this or can point me in the direction o
[3:04] <hilts50> some info on the web about this? I’ve been looking around for a while without much success.
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[3:30] <stiltr> hilts50: Sorry, I won't be of much help, I've got to go, but maybe check out how the backlight for the official display is handled.
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[3:39] <hilts50> stilttr: thanks will do
[3:40] <hilts50> stiltr: thanks will do
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[4:00] <emfipp> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-ama,39709.html
[4:01] <emfipp> ^ thanks eben!
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[5:12] <brianx> so, the poe hat receives power from the network cable over the 4 new pins (shown in the 3b+ schematic) and delivers power to the pi over the 40 pin header.
[5:12] <brianx> does that mean it's safe to power a pi 4b over the 5v/ground pins on the 40pin header?
[5:12] <brianx> i'm zoomed way in on the image in https://www.raspberrypi.org/app/uploads/2019/04/RPI-PCN-PoE-002.pdf and can't see a polyfuse in the poe hat. my power supply will short circuit shutdown at about 3.5A.
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[5:18] <v1c3r> anyone know if I can launch a UDP stream using ffmpeg on boot from rc.local?
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[5:38] <brianx> the spec sheet now says: "5V DC via GPIO header (minimum 3A*)", so that means it's safe to do now?
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[5:52] <CoJaBo> Wait, there's a Pi4 now? ..and wtf, no HDMI anymore?
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[5:52] <CoJaBo> Gonna have to pass on that one :/
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[5:56] <solrize> it has hdmi but uses the mini connector now
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[6:06] <brianx> CoJaBo: it has TWO 4k@60 hdmi now. mini connector as solrize said.
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[6:19] <hendry> is there a way to runing FullPageOS + Raspbian at the same time? https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/1143735212620181504
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[6:32] <mlelstv> mini? not micro?
[6:33] <brianx> duno. the magpi youtube says.
[6:34] <brianx> 2 × micro-HDMI ports (up to 4kp60 supported) from the spec sheet
[6:35] <mlelstv> rpi0 has mini-HDMI
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[7:19] <solrize> rp4 small hdmi is incompatble with rp0? sheesh
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[8:01] <emfipp> is it possible to order pi 4 in nl right now and get it same day?
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[8:26] <solrize> lol emfipp
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[8:27] <solrize> now 2gb is the only model that adafruit pretends to stock
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[8:31] <shadow__> newark seems to accept orders. I've never bought a raspberry pi before because of the binary blob issue
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[8:31] <shadow> holding off yet because of same issue, but am very tempted.
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> I feel that it will be a very long time before you get a higher performance SBC without a binary blob.
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> there are some fully open ones, but the gpu performance isn't up to it - as that's what 99% of the blob is doing.
[8:36] <solrize> does the N2 have a blob?
[8:37] <solrize> i expect there are blobless x86 sbc's that are more powerful (and power hungry and expensive) than the pi4
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[8:38] <gordonDrogon> and their bios is all open too?
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[8:38] <solrize> dunno if you can run coreboot
[8:39] <shadow> gordonDrogon: Eben is quoted as saying that one of the tasks for Pi4 rollout is to move as much graphics stuff out of BLOB-land
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> that's nice.
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> my experience of working for a GPU company in the past is that every one fiercely guards their patents and technology - probably because there would be a patent war the first time someone published their stuff openly )-:
[8:40] <shadow> oh that will be an interesting hurdle for RISC-V SoC to clear :-)
[8:41] <gordonDrogon> only if they design a GPU to go with it.
[8:41] <gordonDrogon> there's no reason the boot code and SoC setup code couldn't be fully open.
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[8:48] <solrize> there's also those licensed h.265 decoders on the pi4, so we pay the MAFIAA even if we don't use that feature
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[8:49] <gordonDrogon> that's a different issue to binary blobs though - the technology to encode/decode those is well known and understood. HDMI is another licensed area, but again just a licensing issue and different to closed source
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[9:06] <solrize> seeedstudio accepting pi4 orders
[9:06] <solrize> preorders lol
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[9:09] <solrize> if i wanted to toggle a rpi0 gpio pin at a fairly precise 5 khz could i do it? no missed pulses while the OS goes and swaps, etc?
[9:09] * shadow coughs "beaglebone"
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[9:18] <solrize> yeah
[9:18] <solrize> https://www.seeedstudio.com/LinkIt-Smart-7688-Duo.html also this
[9:19] <solrize> alternatively could just hang a small MCU board off the edge of the pi0 and use i2c or sth to tell the mcu what to do
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[9:19] <shadow> just me or is seed website getting hammered?
[9:19] <solrize> works for me
[9:23] <shadow> the beaglebone PRU is ideal for having tight timing and control of i/o coincident to a full linux stack on the main cpu
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[9:23] <shadow> raspberrypi could do something like this if not for the "blob" requirement
[9:24] <shadow> there might be hope eventually for pi4 then
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[9:26] <solrize> yeah that seed board is much cheaper than the beaglebone, it has an on-board AVR instead of the PRU but that should suffice
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[9:26] <solrize> the PRU is cool, i think i mentioned that the gcc dev tree now supports it
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[9:46] <shadow> solrize: there's a new round of RISC-V foundation uploads on YouTube if interested in such, always a treat. (RISC-V channel)
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[9:51] <learningc> Dang, I heard rpi 4 is just out
[9:52] <shadow> \o/
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[9:57] <learningc> shadow, I just just bought the raspberry pi 3b+ a few days ago :(
[9:57] <solrize> shadow i'm not really a hardware person, will wait til they make actual risc v gear before paying too much attention to it
[9:58] <shadow> solrize: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sifive/hifive1-rev-b ?
[9:58] <shadow> that's the best so far for under $60
[9:59] <solrize> preorder? heh
[9:59] <shadow> learningc: buyer's remorse? what's your intended use?
[9:59] <solrize> and it only has 16k of ram
[10:00] <solrize> waiting for something with an mmu that can run linux
[10:00] <solrize> is there any ram on that board?
[10:00] <learningc> shadow, general usage, media player, internet browser, etc. The faster the better...
[10:00] <shadow> solrize: well the rev A is orderable now, but same price point and some differences. Yeah, for full linux there's the $999 HiFive unleashed (as in I guess unleash your money from your wallet)
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[10:02] <shadow> solrize: I want that to change as well :-) RISC-V makes a lot of sense how it is designed
[10:02] <solrize> yeah in principle i want something with no blobs but that's only an issue with big systems i think
[10:02] <solrize> that $60 board is equivalent to like a $5 arm board
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[10:02] <shadow> well, okay, but say beaglebone can be blob-less
[10:03] <shadow> price point goes back to $60 then
[10:03] <solrize> that board is not comparable to a beaglebone.... also pocketbeagle is around $25
[10:03] <solrize> dunno if beaglebone has blobs
[10:03] <solrize> it does have an undocumented gpu :(
[10:04] <shadow> none needed to boot anyways
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> solrize, use a clock pin or a pwm pin to get an exact frequency, or look at the pigpio libary.
[10:04] * shadow thumbs up good job gordonDrogon
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> shadow, nothing to do with 'blob' here - but dynamic ram refresh, video refresh, ARM pipeline and cache, etc.
[10:05] <solrize> gordonDrogon, hmm thanks
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> not to mention a pre-empting multi-tasking, multi user operating system...
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[10:07] <solrize> https://abyz.me.uk/rpi/pigpio/ nice, can you control gpio timing from a clock at hw level without going thru the sw stack ?
[10:07] <solrize> maybe that's sufficient
[10:07] <solrize> like if i want to bit bang a protocol
[10:07] <solrize> my actual immediate desire is to run a neopixel-like led strip with reasonably accurate timing
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> I've not used it - as I don't need it and I have wiringPi anyway, however, as I understand it, it uses a timer to crank a DMA engine to clock bits in/out.
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> there are many neopixel libraries though.
[10:08] <solrize> what's wiringpi? i'm coming from the linux world rather than the arduino end of things
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> it's a gpio library for the Pi.
[10:08] <binaryhermit> has anyone actually used a pi4 as a desktop?
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> I use it because I wrote it.
[10:08] <binaryhermit> assuming the 1gb one isn't gonna do the trick
[10:08] <solrize> binaryhermit, nobody even has a pi4 yet ;)
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> binaryhermit, I tried it for a day a few weeks back.. worked OK for most stuff.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> I have a 4GB one.
[10:09] <solrize> nice
[10:09] <binaryhermit> there were some pre-release ones released
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> ^ whatI have.
[10:09] <solrize> can i touch your sleeve? :)
[10:10] <solrize> anyway pigpio looks great, thanks much, maybe i can just use a pi0/w and bypass all this seeed stuff
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> many many 1000's of Piv4's were delivered yesterday in the UK at least.
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[10:11] <binaryhermit> I placed an order with canakit yesterday for a pi4 kit
[10:11] <binaryhermit> isn't supposed to ship until August 1, and it set me back $115-ish, ugh
[10:12] <solrize> adafruit had 2gb's yesterday, seems like the least interesting size but it's the one they made the most of
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> from what I saw, the 1GB and 4GB ones are sold out - the 2GB ones were slower. Personally wondering if they should not have bothered with the 2G ones.
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[10:13] <binaryhermit> kinda agree there
[10:13] <binaryhermit> 2gb's kinda in that area between cheap and good
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[10:15] <Boobie> I'm always right about everything. The same thing happens 100 times in a row. If you want to know what the next coolest thing is going to be, just try to find out what Boobie getting banned for talking about 3 years earlier
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[10:16] <Boobie> [16:14] <Boobie> gordonDrogon, would a 4GB Pi cause the price to increase from $35 to $70?
[10:16] <Boobie> [16:15] <gordonDrogon> I don't know and I don't care right now. Sorry - but I've been hearing this for hte past 8 years here. It's wearing thin. Go somewhere else and bleat about it.
[10:16] <Boobie> Same story as always.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> same bleats as always.
[10:16] <Habbie> Boobie, we could ban you for some other reason, if you like variation? :)
[10:17] <shadow> everytime I see a K-Line shipping container... I smile.
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[10:20] <Boobie> Yep people banned me from channels for trying to talk about fake currency "bitcoin"
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[10:21] <Habbie> Boobie, i note that you have never been banned here though
[10:21] <Habbie> Boobie, surprisingly..
[10:21] <Boobie> gordonDrogon was trying to get me banned for saying we need 4GB Pi
[10:21] <Boobie> the only reason I didn't get banned is because I was so busy working that I shut up
[10:21] <solrize> 4gb pi is $55
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[10:22] <solrize> 4gb odroid is $77 but includes a rtc and some emmc flash and maybe a few other things so it partway evens out
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[10:23] <solrize> hah
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[10:24] <solrize> it's a dilemma, pi0 -> 1gb pi4 -> 4gb pi4 -> 4gb odroid -> go back to beginning with pi0
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> you buy what you need for the task in-hand.
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> so I still buy arduinos (or clones) for tasks that are better suited - even though a Pi0 might be cheaper...
[11:05] <iKarith> Pi isn't able to realtime
[11:06] <iKarith> Linux couldn't service GPIOs in anything resembling realtime even if they were connected to the ARM chip, it's a bit better with the RT patch, but it's still not perfect. And my understanding is all of the GPIOs on the Pi are through the VC4 anyway.
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[11:08] <shadow> right, so if you could use VPU then it might have a chance of realtime at expense of no video output
[11:08] <iKarith> I suppose you could program the VC4 to service the GPIO realtime and buffer stuff to the ARM core, but I would not know how to do it or how practical it really was.
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> iKarith, you might want to lookup the PiTubeDirect project. They do something with both the VC and ARM to sample the 2MHz clock from the BBC Micro.
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[11:10] <iKarith> That's up my alley, but I haven't got a Beeb to play with it :(
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> plenty on ebay :)
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> especially if you can find one with a blown PSU - it's an easy fix. I have a few - collecting another this weekend too.. hm.
[11:18] <Habbie> also, plenty of other interesting 1-2mhz signals around, right?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> however all their code is open, so what I was really meaning was to look at their code to see how they're programming the vc4, etc.
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[11:28] <learningc> gordonDrogon, with the wiringPi library, how fast I can set the GPCLK?
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> the code is old though and only selects one of several clock sources. if you fix the code, then I understand that a few 100Mhz is possible.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> I tested it in the 0-5Mhz range.
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[12:21] <solrize> gordonDrogon, can you run this for me? time echo "scale = 1000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l
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[12:21] <solrize> on a pi4 i mean
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> real 0m0.722s
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> my i3 desktop says: real 0m0.331s
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> a pi 3b + is: real 0m1.460s
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> solrize, ^
[12:33] <k_sze> ugh, the new "official" raspbian image is based on Buster...
[12:33] <k_sze> isn't that kinda dangerous?
[12:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> what makes oyu think that
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[12:38] * BurtyB has spotted a few issues with it already :(
[12:39] <emfipp_> what's the actual number when one runs pi 4 as a gateway on one-armed router/router on a stick scenario (untagged for pppoe, and vlan for lan)?
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[12:39] <emfipp_> does the transfer rate approach gigabit anywhere?
[12:39] <BurtyB> err "actual number" ?
[12:40] <emfipp_> like 600Mbps? 700Mbps?
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> no real need for the 1-arm scenario when you have use usb3 ethernet dongles.
[12:42] <emfipp_> gordonDrogon: I would love to have usb3 ethernet dongles from microchip's lan7800, but most of them on the market seem to come either from asix or realtek
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[12:42] <emfipp_> a few leftover from those years back run microchip's lan7500, but that's rather outdated
[12:42] <emfipp_> and evb directly from microchip is rather expensive
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what existing 1-arm routers run at - it's not something I've ever looked at.
[12:43] <emfipp_> say, we have switch
[12:43] <emfipp_> port#1 is wired to ISP's router talking in PPPOE
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I know how it works,but never had a need to try it.
[12:43] <emfipp_> port#2 is wired to an pi 4, untagged + VLAN ID 1
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> you could do some testing with iperf if you cared
[12:44] <emfipp_> I don't have a pi 4 atm
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> and I'm not testing it for you.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> how fast is your incoming line?
[12:45] <emfipp_> I'm not asking you to test it either........
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[12:49] <learningc> Is there any datasheet for raspberry pi 2 or 3 SoC (BCM2836 /BCM3837)?
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> only if you pay broadcom a beeeeeeeelion pounds ....
[12:51] <emfipp_> a billion
[12:51] <emfipp_> are you kidding?
[12:51] <emfipp_> anyway, guess I'll have to write to microchip folks
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I thought it a more interesting answer than: no.
[12:52] <emfipp_> lan7800 has been out for a long damned while
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[12:52] <learningc> emfipp_, What with microchip?
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[12:53] <emfipp_> to find out which usb ethernet adapters are based on microchip's lan7800
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[12:54] <learningc> gordonDrogon, What's so secret about broadcom chip? All other companies have full-fledged datasheet and reference manual, nxp, Texas, etc
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> don't ask me, ask broadcom.
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> all I know is the somewhat limited ARM peripherals manual and schematic fragments that the Pi foundation have published, and it seems that whenever anyone wants the full manual, it boils down to "cross broadcoms palms with money" and the usual NDAs, etc.
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[13:05] <learningc> Because of the lack of fully disclosed datasheet, I cannot fully appreciate the power and features of the pi which is sad
[13:06] <ShorTie> sounds lame
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> yea.
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[13:17] <gordonDrogon> learningc, what are you doing with the Pi you currently have?
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[13:20] <ShorTie> i'd like to know what he wants to do more, that he needs 'fully disclosed datasheet' for
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> I've sort of given up caring. He has at least one Pi, been using it for media, etc. from what I can see from scroll back, so who knows.
[13:21] <learningc> gordonDrogon, I use it as a learning platform for embedded Linux but also enjoy running the cool embedded applications on it, media player, sdr, etc
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> that's good, but I'm really not sure you'll learn more from the data sheets though.
[13:22] <learningc> I need info about hdmi, cec, etc
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> that's all usable from the ARM side and all the ARM side is open source.
[13:24] <ShorTie> sure that stuff could be found many different places, but if you have a specific question, ask in the forums
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[13:24] <learningc> It's also nice to have a full datasheet to know what is the chip capable of, what are all the peripherals on it, their specifications, etc
[13:26] <ShorTie> spend a billion and you could have your very own
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[13:27] <learningc> easy said than done. I won't be here using the pi if I'm bill gates
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[13:28] <emfipp_> is it possible to perform ethernet/hdmi on the hdmi port?
[13:30] <ShorTie> never heard of it
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> from 2012: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6378
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[13:34] <emfipp_> that's sad
[13:34] <emfipp_> I've already writen a message to pr@microchip.com
[13:34] <emfipp_> I hope they still have some customers out there in the wild
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[13:35] <ShorTie> sounds like a good place to ask if the pi4 does
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[13:35] <emfipp_> I sincerely doubt
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[13:40] <learningc> emfipp_, This is why we would need a full datasheet
[13:42] <bubbajbubba> I wonder why they do not simply make it available, seeing how the chip is already everywhere. I assume is they want to squeeze serious HW dev people for every drop of blood they can get.
[13:43] <learningc> bubbajbubba, could be they are hiding some dirty secrets within :P
[13:43] <bubbajbubba> Seeing how they could do that with a developer "kit", not to mention the fact that they are selling the chips anyways, it just seems a bit ridiculous not to.
[13:43] <bubbajbubba> leanringc: Good point.
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[13:44] <learningc> bubbajbubba, who knows they are using some cheap chinese IP in there?
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[13:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> becvase patent trolls
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[13:47] <bubbajbubba> I have a bunch of RPi 3's doing Kubernetes / Docker but now added a NorthboundNetworks SDN switch to the mix for python neteng learning. Love these things. Ordered a few 4GB 4s to allow me to run more. Love having a "toaster" full of PIs on my desk hutch vs the half cabinet of computers making noise next to my office desk.
[13:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> even if it does not have any smalls bits covered under someone elses patent you'll ahve to defend aNY CASE
[13:47] <bubbajbubba> Not as indepth as you guys into the nuts n bolts but they make my learning easier....and quieter. :-)
[13:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> anyhoo almost time for food
[13:48] <learningc> RaTTuS|BIG, time for a raspberry pi?
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[13:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> I do have a 4G one sat on my desk ...... I may try a headless install , as I have no micro hdmi
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[13:52] <learningc> RaTTuS|BIG, how did you get yours so fast?
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[13:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> ordered on the 24th just after 9 arrived this moring
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[13:57] <learningc> From element 14?
[13:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> cpc
[13:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> in uk
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[13:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> or rs .... noit sure
[13:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> headless boot worked
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[14:02] <learningc> congrats!
[14:03] <learningc> How fast is the pi 4 compared to pi 3?
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[14:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> just doing an update / upgraded and installing my ususal syspects
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[14:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> going for lunch will be back ... soon ....
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> learningc, faster. there are many benchmarks out there if you want the real numbers. roy Longbottom has done many - look them up.
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[14:43] <Exaga> anybody know what the default config is for building a rpi4 kernel ?
[14:45] <Exaga> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation is a little behind the times
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[14:47] <BurtyB> Exaga, "sudo modprobe configs" and look at /proc/config.gz ?
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[14:48] <Exaga> thanks, i was wondering if the 'make bcm2709_defconfig' had changed for the rpi4
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[14:50] <shiftplusone> Exaga, bcm2711_defconfig
[14:50] <Exaga> shiftplusone: i love u <3
[14:50] <Exaga> thanks very much xxx
[14:50] <shiftplusone> you're welcome
[14:52] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, is the best place for buster issues (broken w/uptime/screen/ifupdown) the launchpad thing?
[14:54] <shiftplusone> yeah, but it seems to have issues which linger there for years without getting addressed (and to be fair, we have the same problem on our tracker). Any idea if the problems you're referring to also exist in Debian?
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[14:56] <Exaga> btw guys, i was just running the new buster lite on the rpi4 and it was idling at the command prompt for 15-20 minutes. cpu temp was almost 60 celsius and the CPU clock was 600MHz
[14:56] <Exaga> anybody else seen anything similar?
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[14:57] <Exaga> only thing running was systemd which was taking up 0.2% of system resources
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[15:01] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, the screen issue is there (#929418), I can't find anything for procps (w/uptime) not showing logged in users or the "/bin/sh: 1: test: -eq: unexpected operator" from ifdown
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[15:04] <shiftplusone> Exaga, is temperature the concern or what?
[15:05] <Exaga> gimme some time on the phone sorry
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> BurtyB, I mean regardless of Debian's reported bugs, does the problem itself occur in Debian? The ifupdown issue could potentially be on our end. How do I reproduce it?
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[15:20] <Exaga> shiftplusone: well i wouldn;t expect the SoC to run so hot on the rpi4 especially with the heat spreader
[15:20] <Exaga> when all it's doing is idling at the command prompt
[15:21] <Exaga> maybe if i was running X or compiling then sure that temp's not unexpected
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[15:22] <Exaga> but with a thermal limit of 85 celsius before the clock-nerf kicks in... it's not anywhere near that and it's running at 600MHz from the get-go
[15:22] <shiftplusone> There are still parameters getting tweaked which may bring the temperature down in the future, but I wouldn't be alarmed about 60c. Having said that, I do have a fan on my pi.
[15:22] <Exaga> shiftplusone: sure thing. i plan on heat-sink and fan before doing any serious work on it
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> ugh. people showing cooking stuff on a v4 now ...
[15:29] <friendofafriend> Little tiny pieces of bacon? Linky?
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> chicken.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> and egg.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> just search twitter.
[15:30] <Exaga> put a wok on the rpi4 SoC and run crashme.sh - you'll be able to do all your cooking on it :>
[15:30] <BurtyB> shiftplusone, I need to cut down the ifdown issue a bit to see which bit causes it as I'm using a RNDIS eth + vlan in bridges. When the interface goes away it tries to do "cat /sys/class/net/<interface>/type" (non-vlan) in the "if" which doesn't exist and throws the error
[15:32] <friendofafriend> I think this is the egg fry experiment. https://twitter.com/PiSupply/status/1143548758245949440
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[15:37] <jonvonb> So can I safely power a Pi4 using an 802.3af poe port, assuming running headless?
[15:40] <friendofafriend> jonvonb: Sure, and you wouldn't have to run it headless.
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[15:42] <SpiritHorse> jonvonb: I'm assuming you know you need the PoE hat right?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> nice https://flirc.tv/more/kodi-edition-raspberry-pi-4-case
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[15:45] <jonvonb> I have a poe hat. The 802.3af spec allows for a max of 15.4W and 350mA. Seems low for a pi4.
[15:45] <brianx> solrize: you should be able to toggle a rpi0 gpio pin at a fairly precise 5 khz by using a dma controller. to get that low, you'd probably have to pick the lowest clock rate and use a long string of 1s and a long string of 0s. of course lock the cpu frequency.
[15:46] <friendofafriend> jonvonb: The official power supply outputs 15W.
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[15:47] <jonvonb> It's the amps I wondering about
[15:47] <friendofafriend> They come with the watts.
[15:47] <brianx> 15.4/0.350 is 44 so 15.4W and 350mA seems to line up well. there's a few volts to spare for line resistance.
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[15:50] <jonvonb> Ok, thanks all. I'll give it a shot. The pi4 seems like a good fit for low end server use, especially in a poe environment.
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[16:09] <brianx> 15.4/5*.91 is 2.80A realistic output. might actually get a bit more real world. resistance is 0.01614 ohms per foot so a 10 foot cable would be 0.1614 ohms (each way) which is only 0.028V drop due to being able to spread the load over 8 conductors. 350mA over 10 ft of cable nets you 3.06A at 5V with 91% efficiency on the converter.
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[16:21] <Syliss> mornin
[16:22] <DaQatz> shiftplusone: When I ordered my pi4 I also order a heatsink. Since you already got yours do you think running the board with just a heatsink will cause much throttling?
[16:22] <Exaga> :D
[16:22] <shiftplusone> idk. let me check if I have a spare heatsink kicking around
[16:23] <Exaga> shiftplusone: which heat-sink/fan combo did you choose?
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[16:24] <shiftplusone> I didn't go for a heatsink, a fan is more than enough
[16:24] <shiftplusone> But I did go overboard with the fan
[16:24] <Exaga> cool info ty
[16:24] <Exaga> shiftplusone: i hope ur saying that with your tongue firmly in your cheek :P
[16:24] <shiftplusone> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B071W6JZV8
[16:24] <Exaga> no such things as overkill cooling. unless you've starpped your rpi4 to a jar of picckled eggs in the fridge!
[16:25] <shiftplusone> You really don't need a powerful fan, just any cheap fan will do.
[16:25] <Exaga> i'll be going for something a litle more little
[16:25] <shiftplusone> I just wanted something quiet and know noctua fans are quiet.
[16:25] <Exaga> 30 x 30 mm max
[16:26] <Exaga> farnell do some really good quality fans but they ain't cheap
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[16:26] <Exaga> mine have been running constantly for years
[16:26] <shiftplusone> DaQatz, in a case or not?
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[16:28] <shiftplusone> ok, the heatsink I have would bump up against the fan, so I don't want to stick it on
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[16:44] <DaQatz> shiftplusone: No case
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[16:44] <Tenkawa> so everyone got their 4 pre-ordered yet?
[16:45] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
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[16:46] <shiftplusone> DaQatz, I'm told there's not much throttling going on if it's left open anyway. The problems happen when you stick it in a case without ventilation and a heatsink wouldn't be of much help there anyway.
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[16:53] <DaQatz> Hmm
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[16:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> see https://pastebin.com/9zGtFR1e as mine running in open air no heatsinc
[16:59] <Exaga> Tenkawa: rteceived mine this morning
[17:00] <friendofafriend> But does it fry eggs? :o
[17:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p I've not got any small enough here
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[17:01] <Exaga> shiftplusone: first i'll need to find the optimum cooling solution, then when i know how large the heat sink needs to be i'll find a case to suit
[17:01] <BurtyB> add more Pi4, you only need 70C or something ;)
[17:01] <Exaga> actually, with the rpi3b+ the official case without the top on was great
[17:02] <Exaga> i had a 20mm high heat sink on it
[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'd get a FLIRC case type 4 when they arrive .....
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[17:02] <shiftplusone> preordered 2 flirc cases myself
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[17:03] <Exaga> RaTTuS|BIG: flirc are making a rpi4 specific case?
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[17:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> Id imagine so - I dont know though
[17:04] <shiftplusone> They are
[17:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> shiftplusone got a link to preorder
[17:04] <shiftplusone> https://flirc.tv/more/raspberry-pi-4-case
[17:04] <shiftplusone> and a kodi edition
[17:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> bang
[17:04] <Exaga> last time i investigated was to see if the flirc case for the rpi would suit a rpi3 and it wouldn't perfectly because the location of the SoC was not exactly in the same place
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[17:07] <Tenkawa> Exaga: no fair :)
[17:07] <shiftplusone> fits well enough for me. My main work pi is still a 3B+ in a flirc case.
[17:08] <Tenkawa> got it loaded up and running yet?
[17:08] <shiftplusone> IIRC, the issues was that the chip is a bit higher, so they provide a thinner thermal pad.
[17:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ yes from 3 to 3+ a thinner pad was all that was needed and works great
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[17:22] <DaQatz> With the pi4's new features it should make a pretty good low end network server
[17:23] <DaQatz> USB3 for harddrive, and full gigabit
[17:25] <Tenkawa> too bad I'm never going to never probably hardly use the wired nic
[17:25] <Tenkawa> some of the people I might be building these as replacement desktops for though would
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[17:26] <Tenkawa> they still dont use wireless
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[17:27] <Tenkawa> but the ones I already switched to using pi's really like it
[17:29] <stevest> DaQatz: Totally. I use a 3B+ for that exact purpose right now so I’m eager about the arrival of my new 4 :)
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[17:33] <brianx> :-( my poe loss numbers are a bit over half off. the 802.3af standard limits to 2 pairs so current per wire is doubled. still over 3A on a 10ft cable though.
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[17:36] <brianx> no clue why they connect all 4 pair but only use 2. seems odd.
[17:37] <CoJaBo> brianx: Yeh, the mini connector is the problem
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[17:37] <CoJaBo> It means the pi4 would use a different cable than any of my other devices :/
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[17:41] <CoJaBo> brianx: Is that even a different connector than the 0? if so, wow lol
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[17:42] <CoJaBo> I bought the 0, but only because I never intended to use that with a display lol. Still, it'd suck to have to have a totally different cable for each pi version if I ever did want to hook them up to screens >_>
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[17:43] <brianx> CoJaBo: yeah "micro-HDMI" is an annoyance. matching the mini of the pi0 would have been nice but maybe that couldn't do HDMI2.0 and 4k@60. i may have a 4 as soon as friday but not sure when i'll get the micro hdmi adapter. usb-c for the power made sense, though the higher voltage options of usb-c would have made even more sense. either way, usb-c is another adapter for me. though i'll likely power
[17:43] <brianx> over the 40 pin header and use the usb-c as a 5th usb port.
[17:44] <CoJaBo> Is the usbC actually a fully functional port?
[17:46] <brianx> CoJaBo: it is :-)
[17:46] <CoJaBo> Neat.
[17:46] <brianx> but only usb 2.0, not 3.1
[17:46] <CoJaBo> Nevertheless, I'll most likely wait for the Pi 6B and its USB-C video outputs. I still won't have a USB-C capable monitor by then, but I'll buy it anyway becuase I totally plan on eventually getting one of those someday.
[17:46] <brianx> the more important thing is that it's the only port to support otg
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[17:47] <CoJaBo> I bought my 0 to do a bunch of OTG junk with, but never got around to it
[17:47] <brianx> yeah, i know i'll be heading to usb-c eventually too. that one is less difficult than the micro-hdmi.
[17:47] <CoJaBo> Someone needs to start a site compiling all the stuff needed to make a pi emulate a whole ton of useless USB devices
[17:47] <brianx> but i'm not complaining, the 4b is soooo much an improvement!
[17:48] <CoJaBo> The lack of practical display connection options on the 4 makes me happy only that Microcenter might possibly discount the 3B+ now lol
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[17:50] <brianx> if historical pricing is any indication, the 3b+ won't drop at all. not until the foundation lowers it's price and that seems unlikely unless they're sitting on a ton of inventory they have to dump.
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[17:51] <Exaga> brianx: or give away to schools and such
[17:51] <Exaga> which is much better than 'dumping' it
[17:52] <brianx> Exaga: another reason to not see microcenter dropping the price.
[17:52] <brianx> here we are about 3 years after the 2b release and it's dropped by $5.
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[17:53] <CoJaBo> They did for one of the releases; for a while, it was the cheapest way to get a 2B, since they dropped it before any other site did (at least in the US)
[17:53] <Exaga> don't forget the rpi4 as a brand new device released 2 days ago to joe public. so, give it a chance
[17:53] <Exaga> i'm expecting niggles
[17:53] <CoJaBo> Exaga: It lacks the ports I need, so I can't even :P
[17:53] <Exaga> i have niggles
[17:54] <Exaga> CoJaBo: can't help you there mate. i just bang out installers for slackware arm on the rpis
[17:54] <CoJaBo> Unless I need another standalone for a printer or something, but I have too many of those $30 2Bs for that lol
[17:54] <Exaga> not interested in much else other than getting it working initially
[17:55] <Exaga> not even interested in how people use them or for what purpose
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[17:56] <brianx> bah, the 4b4gb came in stock this morning at my microcenter after they said it would be friday. and they sold out already even though there was a limit of 1 per household in store only.
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[17:56] <Exaga> brianx: it was the same story with pihut.com on monday
[17:57] <emfipp_> anyone tried this https://www.sitecom.com/en/usb-30-network-adapter/ln-032/p/1533 on a pi 4 yet?
[17:57] <dstaring> I've installed OpenVPN on my Raspbian. Where do I place the .opvn files which I already use on my Windows machine? And how do I make it "kick in"?
[17:57] <Exaga> when USA woke up around midday the fscking internet half-crashed
[17:57] <brianx> i dunno how so many people are getting on-site so quickly. boggles the mind.
[17:57] <dstaring> Exaga: What do you mean?
[17:57] <Exaga> dstaring: please be more specific?
[17:58] <brianx> dstaring: you can put it anywhere and reference it in your systemd config file. i use /etc/openvpn/
[17:58] <dstaring> I feel left behind with my original RPI. I can almost hear a little crying from it: "D-Daddy... A-am I... obsolete?! <:("
[17:58] <dstaring> brianx: systemd config file... hmm.
[17:58] <dstaring> Exaga: In regards to Internet half-crashing.
[17:59] <Exaga> unless you have a purpose for your previous pi models then they are pretty much throwaway items when you replace them with later revisions
[17:59] <dstaring> Throwaway items? The new ones aren't given away for free.
[17:59] <Exaga> dstaring: several major systems were down around midday on Monday 24 June [GMT] and it was causing chaos on the internet
[18:00] <dstaring> I never notice any of those things. I just find it to barely work at all 24/7.
[18:00] <brianx> dstaring: unfortunately, the last package install i did didn't include any startup file. not hard to do, i base mine on the sshd file.
[18:00] <Exaga> i joking blamed it on USA waking up and hearing the news about the rpi4
[18:00] <Exaga> because LQ was down and so was pihut.com for me
[18:00] <dstaring> brianx: Nothing is hard to do if you can do it and know exactly what to do.
[18:00] <Exaga> probably AWS or some shit
[18:00] <dstaring> But I don't have any idea what to do.
[18:00] <dstaring> Exaga: I assumed you were referencing Bitcoin's value.
[18:01] <Exaga> ja... well :>
[18:01] <brianx> dstaring: look at the systemd file for sshd. it's pretty similar. if you need more hints, there are a bunch of files in the same folder with various options used.
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[18:03] <dstaring> brianx: Frankly, I've never used systemd, so I have no idea where its config is, what it looks like, or how to extend it.
[18:04] <TJ-> Exaga: what you're referring to was a small US ISP sending out BGP adverts that told the world it was the destination for a large part of Cloudflare address space. Took a few hours to get it sorted out
[18:04] <brianx> i only responded because i didn't notice the shotgun across channels. i don't respond when people shotgun questions.
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[18:05] <dstaring> There is an /etc/openvpn dir with two empty dirs called "client" and "server" and then a file called "update-resolv-conf" which contains a bunch of scary-looking scripty stuff.
[18:05] <Exaga> TJ-: thanks for your time and effort in relaying that information to me <3
[18:07] <dstaring> brianx: Back when I was still foolish enough to try, I had to send countless messages to females on dating sites before receiving a single reply, no matter how unique and well-written and polite and relevant they were. Eventually, every male starts more or less sending the same thing to tons of females, because it's the only way to stand a reasonable chance of getting a reply. It's similar with asking questions online, and only rarely do two
[18:07] <dstaring> people actually respond at once.
[18:07] <TJ-> dstaring: generally the files, as XXXX.conf are in /etc/openvpn, and in /etc/default/openvpn ensure "AUTOSTART="all""
[18:07] <dstaring> But yes, when it does happen, it's awkward.
[18:08] <laptop2> hi
[18:08] <laptop2> what's the role of memsys00 to memsys07 on RPi4?
[18:08] <laptop2> LPDDR4 initialization & calibration?
[18:08] <dstaring> TJ-: Well, no .conf file in /etc/openvpn...
[18:08] <dstaring> And the latter dir doesn't exist on my system.
[18:09] <TJ-> dstaring: what OS/distro are you using?
[18:09] <dstaring> Raspbian.
[18:09] <TJ-> dstaring: obviously there won't be a .conf file until YOU create it!
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[18:09] <dstaring> Not even a demo one? Hmm. Alright.
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[18:10] <Exaga> random question to satisty curiosity: do you guys add a /boot/ssh file to enable SSH or do you do it the proper way?
[18:10] <dstaring> But what about the second dir you mentioned (which doesn't exist)? Am I supposed to make that too? And is "openvpn" in that path a file? And it's supposed to contain AUTOSTART="all" and that will make it use whatever .conf it finds in the other dir?
[18:10] <TJ-> dstaring: if the system doesn't have /etc/default/openvpn then its been manually deleted; the openvpn package installs that file
[18:11] <dstaring> TJ-: Well, I haven't deleted it...
[18:11] <TJ-> dstaring: what does "dpkg -l openvpn" report ?
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[18:11] <dstaring> Oh. It's a file. Yes, it exists.
[18:11] <dstaring> The lack of file extensions keeps making me confused about what is a file and what's a dir.
[18:12] <TJ-> dstaring: about AUTOSTART yes, your analysis is correct. That file is read when the openvpn service starts and tells it load and set up ALL /etc/openvpn/*.conf files
[18:12] <Exaga> dstaring: are you working on command line?
[18:12] <dstaring> Yes. SSH.
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[18:12] <Exaga> use: ls -lah and look for the "d" in the flags which indicates it's a directory
[18:12] <wavelength> Greetings. I have always missed the launches since Pi 3 (perhaps Pi 2), but when I finally see it, it is doubly sweet. ;] Everyone, godspeed, goodluck, and excelsior (!) with all your endeavours (Pi related or not)!
[18:13] <Exaga> wavelength: xxx
[18:14] <dstaring> Does it have a better text editor than vi? I tried to uncomment the line but it doesn't let me delete text and keeps adding a bunch of weird stuff to the file instead.
[18:14] <Exaga> nano ?
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[18:14] <dstaring> On FreeBSD, there was this "ee" editor which worked in a sane manner.
[18:14] <Exaga> nano -w <name_of_file>
[18:14] <TJ-> dstaring: highlight the # and press x
[18:15] <TJ-> dstaring: then type :wq
[18:16] <Exaga> use whatever is easiest for u dstaring. if vi doesn't suit u try nano/pico
[18:16] <Exaga> i find vi convoluted
[18:16] <TJ-> I often get caought out by the differences between vi and vim even
[18:16] <dstaring> "[ Error writing /etc/default/openvpn: Permission denied ]"
[18:16] <Exaga> TJ-: it's why i stick to nano
[18:16] <dstaring> Are you sure I'm supposed to change files in the "default" dir?
[18:16] <dstaring> Shouldn't I be copying it out of there?
[18:17] <TJ-> Exaga: That's probably because vi* are moded editors - switch from edit mode to command mode, whereas most editors are modeless in that respect
[18:17] <TJ-> dstaring: I'm perfectly sure; that's where yon configure the service settings
[18:17] <dstaring> I guess I yet again need "sudo".
[18:18] <TJ-> dstaring: as I said, openvpn service reads /etc/default/openvpn on start-up and does what it says. If you don't set it to read any config files it won't do anything
[18:18] <Exaga> TJ-: i once spent time learning vi because i was told (in my youth and ignorance) that it's what REAL hardcore NIX users use
[18:18] <TJ-> dstaring: yes; sudo for all system files in generaly
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[18:18] <Exaga> TJ-: having grown up a bit NIX users can keep vi
[18:18] <pwillard> TBH... I still don't understand why people prefer modal editors.
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[18:18] <TJ-> Exaga: really? The reason I like it is I struggle to remember the different hot-keys across the wide range of tools I use; I find switching modes helps me
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[18:19] <Exaga> TJ-: i need something that's quick, easy, and simple. nano does the job for me
[18:19] <TJ-> also, 'vi' is often the only editor installed by default on server or embedded systems
[18:20] <pwillard> You need to know a little vi of course... since its the only editor you can count on being there as you jump across different variants... often (in my case) just long enough to install a better replacement.
[18:20] <TJ-> I still spend a lot of time in vim typing :help ... :)
[18:20] <Exaga> TJ-: then i'd be building a nano package for it :P
[18:20] <Exaga> doesn't raspbian come with nano?
[18:21] <dstaring> Well, I was able to edit the file, but I get permission errors when I try to transfer the .opvn file via FileZilla to /etc/openvpn. I can't even think of what would be the solution to that. Unless FileZilla has some "enable sudo" feature or something. SFTP
[18:21] <Exaga> dstaring: u might have to transfer it as root user?
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[18:21] <Exaga> or transfer it as normal user then chown it to root
[18:21] <Exaga> then transfer it
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[18:22] <TJ-> the one thing that always catches me out just after I've forgotten the workaround, is pasting blocks of text in, in edit mode, and having each line get indented 1 more tab than the previous line. For which you have to remember to do :set paste
[18:22] <Exaga> TJ-: hahaha how many hours have i wasted doing that? loads
[18:22] <TJ-> dstaring: transfer the file to your home directory first
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[18:22] <Exaga> dstaring: sorry ye what tj said. i forgot to say that :D
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[18:23] <TJ-> dstaring: once you've got the file on the system, then do "sudo cp XXXX.ovpn /etc/openvpn/XXXX.conf"
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[18:23] <pwillard> scp works too
[18:23] <Exaga> so does rsync
[18:23] <TJ-> dstaring: this assumes you're working in the $HOME directory of the user
[18:23] <pwillard> well, if you have permissions
[18:23] <TJ-> pwillard: ^^^^ I was about to say
[18:24] <pwillard> yeah... SSH you can say SUDO me this to the remote site... SCP... you can't. OOPS... sorry
[18:25] <Exaga> yeah but if ur transferring files to any system u shouldn't do it as root, always normal user
[18:25] <Exaga> then manipulate them on the system itself
[18:25] <TJ-> I solve that with "setfacl -n u:tj:rxw /etc"
[18:25] <pwillard> and you should place the file where it does no harm until you are ON that machine and put it where it belongs
[18:25] <Exaga> so scp/ftp/rsync will work
[18:25] <Exaga> pwillard: ~/directory
[18:26] <TJ-> ooops, typo! "-m" not "-n" of course
[18:26] <pwillard> or even /tmp for the squeamish
[18:26] <Exaga> pwillard: sure i work in /tmp all the time
[18:26] <Exaga> on slackware it doesn;t delete everything with each reboot like on raspbian
[18:26] <pwillard> as in... I don't want this junk in my personal diretories
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[18:26] <pwillard> Some do it every 7 days
[18:27] <TJ-> same here; it all disappears if the system gets rebooted since /tmp is tmpfs :)
[18:27] <Exaga> TJ-: hrhr
[18:27] <pwillard> so i really mean /tmp if you are lazy... since it will go away
[18:27] <Exaga> pwillard: no mate. /tmp if your seinsible ;)
[18:27] <Exaga> as u said, don't trash up your home dir
[18:27] <pwillard> well, thats my motto... use /tmp as it was intended
[18:27] <TJ-> the obvious answer is "mount -t tmpfs tmpfs $HOME/tmp"
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[18:28] <pwillard> SCP can always copy to tmp
[18:28] <Exaga> TJ-: use /etc and live linux life on the edge!
[18:29] <TJ-> Exaga: no problems; its' git/inotify protected
[18:30] <pwillard> ha... you probably have "sudo rm -rf /" as a command alias. ;-P
[18:30] <Exaga> shiftplusone: so the new kernel needs to be named kernel71.img does it?
[18:30] <Exaga> shiftplusone: for the rpi4 i mean
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[18:30] <Exaga> pwillard: never! i always type that manually
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[18:31] <Exaga> or this: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mmblkp0 bs=4M conv=sync,noerror status=progress
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[18:32] <pwillard> now thats livin on the edge
[18:32] <johnjay> what does the sync option do?
[18:33] <Exaga> makes sure all the data is written
[18:33] <johnjay> interesting reply
[18:33] <TJ-> Exaga: no, it doesn't
[18:33] <pwillard> I still keep thinking we will see a 64BIT pi OS.
[18:33] <TJ-> Exaga: 'sync' makes sure input blocks are null-padded
[18:33] <Exaga> TJ-: ok give us the highly technical answer then
[18:34] <TJ-> Exaga: what you want is "conv=fsync,fdatasync"
[18:34] <Exaga> i thought it was for lossless packet verification?
[18:35] <Exaga> no?
[18:35] <Exaga> guess i better google like the rest of u lol
[18:35] <johnjay> i provoked a disagreement on a technical matter. mission accomplished
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[18:35] <Exaga> nice work johnjay :>
[18:36] <johnjay> Exaga: Chaos... is a ladder!
[18:36] <Exaga> i thought sync compared data read and written amd made sure it was present and correct
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[18:37] <TJ-> just read the man-page :)
[18:37] <Exaga> From the sync(1) manual page : "sync - Synchronize cached writes to persistent storage". Basically sync makes sure that all your data is written to the stick from the cache.
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[18:37] <Exaga> well done TJ- :>
[18:38] <TJ-> Exaga: "sync" is a separate command; "dd ... conv=sync" is entirely different
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[18:38] <Exaga> sure it is
[18:38] <Exaga> i'll go back to watching grass grow :>
[18:41] <Exaga> johnjay: ok i have a definitive answer on it
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[18:42] <Exaga> conv=sync - when you're reading or writing to a corrupt storage drive "sync" keeps the block size consistant and if data can't be read the blocks are filled with zeros
[18:43] <Exaga> so you could have missing data but the block size is the same
[18:43] <Exaga> just filled with zeros
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[18:45] <Exaga> dunno if that's what TJ- was alluding to but what i wrote isn;t a cut n paste from google
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[18:48] <Exaga> so it keeps data blocks syncronized but not always the exact data if it can't be read or written as is
[18:48] <TJ-> Exaga: when you said "makes sure all the data is written" I was pointing out it doesnt do that; if original data fails to be read from the input devic dd will pad it with unexpected data. "make sure all the data is written" usually means syncing from memory cache/buffers to the output device, which is what fsync,fdatasync do
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[18:48] <Exaga> TJ-: yep what i wrote was inacurate and misleading
[18:49] <Exaga> good thing you have caused me to educate myself. thanks
[18:49] <Exaga> it's what Linux is all about
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[18:49] <TJ-> :)
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[18:50] <johnjay> *The More you Know*
[18:50] <Exaga> johnjay: don't go there
[18:50] <TJ-> Usually 'sync' is in the context of removable devices where the operator whips the device out the PC before ensuring data was flushed, then complains the file-system is damaged
[18:51] <TJ-> johnjay: you'll never stop learning, even on the basic Linux core utils!
[18:52] <TJ-> johnjay: for light entertainment over the years I've done "dpkg -L coreutils | grep bin" and then "man XXXX" for each tool to discover things I never knew were there; comes in really useful at times knowing of a simple tool I can string into a pipe to do something complex
[18:54] <BurtyB> sounds like you'd enjoy the "info" rabbit hole ;)
[18:54] <Exaga> johnjay: "sync makes sure all the data is written, and if it isn;t it fills the blanks in with zeros" :D
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[19:00] <learningc> Impressive! the pi4 is at least 2 times faster than the pi3!
[19:00] <SpiritHorse> indeed
[19:01] <SpiritHorse> more like 5-6x faster with certain workloads, but yes a 2.5x increase accross the board is a fair assessment
[19:01] <johnjay> TJ-: admittedly I could probably find this in the C source but
[19:01] <johnjay> if you're padding input blocks would that lead to having a different sized output?
[19:01] <johnjay> or is it only replacing bytes it can't read
[19:01] <johnjay> i guess it's the latter
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[19:01] <learningc> How does that compare with the intel atoms?
[19:02] <Exaga> johnjay ROFL
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[19:02] <Exaga> learningc: i'm finding it runs a little hot
[19:02] <Exaga> hotter than a young killy cooper
[19:02] <Exaga> jilly*
[19:03] <SpiritHorse> very hot but that's the way SoCs are going
[19:03] <learningc> Exaga, you got one already? How hot?
[19:03] <Exaga> learningc: left it idling at command prompt in buster for 15-20 mins; 58 degrees celsius and CPU @ 600MHz
[19:03] <SpiritHorse> packing over twice the performance in the same packaging as what your base reference to how hot a RPi 'should' be.
[19:04] <SpiritHorse> so naturally people are going to be alarmed/etc, but its the way of the road
[19:04] <SpiritHorse> of course it's going to run hotter
[19:04] <SpiritHorse> sounds about right
[19:05] <Exaga> SpiritHorse: mine are used for compiling binaries using all cores maxed out, so i need it not to slow itself down when it gets warm/hot. which is usually within 5 mins of starting a build
[19:05] <SpiritHorse> and also ambient temperature plays a decent role as it's air cooled
[19:05] <SpiritHorse> a RPi will not idle in ambient 30c and it will in ambient 20c
[19:05] <SpiritHorse> much less under load, so that's important to consider if you are running into temperature issues
[19:05] <learningc> SpiritHorse, is it the time to switch to water cooling for the pi?
[19:06] <SpiritHorse> haha, I bet none of us would be the first to do it :>
[19:06] <Exaga> learningc: i ordered mine from pihut.com on monday morning at approx 8:30am - arrived this morning at 10am
[19:06] <SpiritHorse> just looked, they sell kits for it haha
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> a small fan appears fine - even without a heatsink.
[19:06] <Exaga> gordonDrogon: shiftplusone said the same thing
[19:07] <learningc> fan though can be a bit noisy
[19:07] <SpiritHorse> yeah I run a heatsink with quality thermal tape (not the cheap 3m shit they provide with it) and at worse I need to put a fan if ambient temps are ugly
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm running a 12v, 40mm fan from the 5v supply - it's silent.
[19:07] <SpiritHorse> ah good call
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[19:07] <SpiritHorse> never thought of underdriving to quel noise
[19:07] <freq> woohoo
[19:08] <Exaga> lol freq
[19:08] <freq> is there an i2p version of this room?
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[19:08] <Exaga> du hast ya 'ne macke!
[19:08] <learningc> What if I put a huge heatsink?
[19:08] <freq> i ask and
[19:08] <freq> nothing
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> what's i2p ?
[19:09] <freq> https://i2pd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
[19:09] <Exaga> a revamp of i2c ?
[19:09] <freq> lol no it's a parallel internet
[19:09] <Exaga> parallel port version
[19:09] <freq> haha
[19:09] <freq> yes, for printing cats
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> this is IRC. access it by whatever means you like.
[19:09] <dstaring> TJ-: Thanks. That workaround worked, but once again reminded me how much I hate permissions and user accounts and all that stuff.
[19:09] <TJ-> dstaring: :)
[19:09] <Exaga> dstaring: O.o
[19:09] <freq> does anyone here have the rpi4 yet
[19:09] <TJ-> dstaring: hate until it saves you
[19:10] <Exaga> freq: no. i'm here trtying to whore one
[19:10] <freq> :p
[19:10] <learningc> freq, apparently most people here
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> yes, I have one
[19:10] <dstaring> So I guess the next time this Pie reboots, it will connect to the VPN... Probably is some command I could run to do it instantly, but I can't test if it really uses the VPN right now anyway, so it's not something I have to do right now.
[19:10] <freq> i just want to replace my D2700 Atom with one
[19:10] <Exaga> learningc: thanks lol
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> and thousands were postd yesterday and have arrived.
[19:10] <freq> could the rpi4 replace a quad core atom with 4gb ram?
[19:10] <dstaring> Maybe a stupid question, but what's so fancy about RPI4 that makes everyone apparently want one?
[19:11] <Exaga> dstaring: it's new
[19:11] <dstaring> Does it enable some fancy new feature such as full disk encryption?
[19:11] <freq> dstaring: you can do that with luks
[19:11] <learningc> Exaga, but I think it would be wise if I wait for pi4b+ or the next
[19:11] <dstaring> freq: I thought the consensus was that "there is no sane/reasonable way to accomplish this on the RPI, unfortunately".
[19:12] <freq> lol no way
[19:12] <freq> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt
[19:12] <Exaga> learningc: there are rumours of a 8GB rpi4 version
[19:12] <freq> 8gb? that's too many lol
[19:13] <Exaga> next february 29th
[19:13] <dstaring> Is it more involved than "sudo apk install encryption" followed by "encryption doit"?
[19:13] <freq> they would need 64 bit raspbian for that. it doesn't exist yet
[19:13] <Exaga> dunno who started the rumour
[19:13] <freq> dstaring: it's involved.
[19:13] <freq> but it's not nearly as impossible as you think
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[19:13] <freq> also, check tcplay
[19:14] <freq> encrypt a seperate drive with that
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[19:14] <learningc> Exaga, I'm worried there could be improvement that would come a little later
[19:14] <Exaga> freq: huh? WHY only raspbian?
[19:14] <freq> Exaga: assuming that most people who ask only know about raspbian
[19:14] <freq> there are seemingly endless distros out there
[19:15] <Exaga> when i get my hands on an ARM system capable of building an aarch64 distro relatively quickly, i'll be on it building slackware arm64 for sure
[19:15] <dstaring> "it's involved." <-- The dreaded words. If somebody actually admits that on IRC, it means it's massive nightmare.
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[19:15] <Exaga> the soldrun honeycomb would be great but i can't afford it
[19:16] <learningc> Exaga, perhaps they could push the clock to 1.8GHz nominal... :)
[19:16] <Exaga> i had hopes the rpi4 might be capable but it's just a toy
[19:16] <Exaga> and with the thermal issues, forget it at the moment
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[19:17] <learningc> Exaga, version 2 of the new soc perhaps could improve thermal management
[19:17] <Exaga> learningc: i'd like to hope a version 2 wouldn;t be needed
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[19:18] <Exaga> unless the rpi4 was whisked off the production line and out to the pi shops without being tested for thermal status under operation
[19:18] <Exaga> idling at 58 celsius is not a good sign
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> it was tested for over 2 months continually, so stop trolling.
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> or stop whinging and bleating.
[19:19] <Exaga> because i read on the rpi website, eeben upton said it would not need cooling for "light" usage
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't.
[19:19] <Exaga> light usage for me = idling on the command prompt at 58 celsius and CPU @ 600MHz
[19:19] <dstaring> Exaga: Which command do I type to check my own RPI's temperature?
[19:19] <learningc> gordonDrogon, what cmos tech is in the pi4 soc?
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> learningc, no idea.
[19:20] <Exaga> i use a bash script i wrote myself some years ago
[19:20] <Exaga> #!/bin/bash
[19:20] <Exaga> cpuTemp0=$(cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp)
[19:20] <Exaga> cpuTemp1=$(($cpuTemp0/1000))
[19:20] <Exaga> cpuTemp2=$(($cpuTemp0/100))
[19:20] <Exaga> cpuTempM=$(($cpuTemp2 % $cpuTemp1))
[19:20] <Exaga> echo CPU temp"="$cpuTemp1"."$cpuTempM"'C"
[19:20] <Exaga> exit 0
[19:20] <Exaga> you can "watch -n1 temp_test.sh"
[19:21] <Exaga> for up to the second temps
[19:21] <azizLIGHT> can i do "expand filesystem" inside raspi-config if i am booted off a usb drive? (RPI 3B+)
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> much simpler.
[19:21] <azizLIGHT> because it says sd card in the description?
[19:21] <azizLIGHT> does it apply
[19:21] <azizLIGHT> A1 Expand Filesystem Ensures that all of the SD card storage is available to the OS
[19:21] <Exaga> dstaring: that block of code was for you :>
[19:21] <azizLIGHT> i have no sd card
[19:22] <Exaga> dstaring: i rarely use X and can't remember the last time i did
[19:23] <Exaga> when i do it's Xfce
[19:23] <Exaga> which desktop is buster shipping with?
[19:24] <learningc> Exaga, if that's the current case with thermal management, most likely they would come up with an improved version in a not so distant future. An to distinguish it from the current release, they would have to offer a better performance chip
[19:24] <Exaga> learningc: i'm going to be bolting a huge heatsink on it with a fan i guess
[19:25] <Exaga> i won't be compiling jack until then
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[19:25] <learningc> Exaga, lol, that would defeat the purpose of being a credit card size sbc
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[19:26] <Exaga> with the rpi (1) 2 and 3 i could run it at the limit and control the thermals myself. but with the 3B+ and 4B there's this thermal management shizzle which means it controls itself. not good for me
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[19:26] <mlelstv> the 3b did the same and much worse
[19:27] <Exaga> the heatsinks on my rpi 1s 2s and 3s are black and blue
[19:27] <Exaga> the heat spreader on my 3B+ is queaky clean like brand new
[19:27] <Exaga> i expect the 4B will be likewise
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> the fan shim from Pimoroni is very quiet and thin.
[19:28] <learningc> Exaga, instead of a huge heatsink, have you considered a thermal casing?
[19:28] <Exaga> learningc: and i have a rpi (1) thats been running almost constantly since october 2012
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[19:28] <iKarith> I thought thermal cases for the 3B were fine. Until they weren't. :)
[19:28] <Exaga> learningc: yes i have looked into it
[19:29] <learningc> iKarith, what was wrong?
[19:29] <Exaga> flirc is a viable option but i will wait for the reviews
[19:29] <iKarith> Some of my use cases changed and I started throttling
[19:29] <iKarith> Also RPF decided that the thing needed to throttle at slightly lower temps
[19:29] <Exaga> learningc: https://flirc.tv/more/raspberry-pi-4-case (courtesy of shiftplusone)
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[19:30] <iKarith> The FLIRC cases were great if you never needed to use GPIO and _didn't_ need to worry about throttling
[19:30] <Exaga> iKarith: there u go then :D
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[19:32] <iKarith> Exaga: I was throttling with a FLIRC case though
[19:32] <iKarith> And then I needed access to GPIO.
[19:33] <azizLIGHT> excuse me but what is all this in apt: Adding 'diversion of /boot/overlays/uart0.dtbo to /usr/share/rpikernelhack/overlays/uart0.dtbo by rpikernelhack'
[19:33] <azizLIGHT> i never used to see these messages on my rpi 1 or 2 ?
[19:33] <Exaga> iKarith: only thing i used to plug into the gpio is a rtc but now i use one of my rpis as a ntp server
[19:34] <learningc> iKarith, they should make the area where you access the gpio with a cover on hinge. that would make access convenient
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[19:34] <Exaga> learningc: hmmm would be fine for me as i don't need to open the case ever
[19:34] <Exaga> for those tinkering then sure you need access
[19:35] <Exaga> if i ever do that i'm working outside of the box (forgive the pun)
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[19:37] <iKarith> learningc: tried a case that has an option for that and some active cooling. It's pretty nice, but the case costs as much as the Pi in it.
[19:37] <iKarith> And of course it'll have to be redone for the new model
[19:38] <Exaga> i want this one for rpi4: https://shop.cyntech.co.uk/products/rasberry-pi-3-model-b-cyntech-case
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[19:38] <Exaga> not sure if they'll do one
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[19:38] <learningc> iKarith, lol
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[19:40] <learningc> iKarith, I would rather buy 2 pis than a pi an a heatsink that cost as much
[19:41] <iKarith> Wasn't a heatsink, was a full case that made the Pi very nice and stable, had active cooling, all ports along the back edge, cover for GPIO, color-coded GPIO, etc.
[19:41] <iKarith> pretty nice setup for a tinkerer.
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